[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bipolars and borderlines might make for exciting drama in movies, but actually having to deal with one in real life becomes quite charmless very quickly. True, but we're talking about movies... I thought life was a movie. Woody Allen's The Purple Rose of Cairo is a funny and interesting look at that theme. shoudl be on most lists. It's on mine. Glad to hear you like it. And you're exactly right about the relationship of life and the movies. The ending of Purple Rose, plotwise, is a little sad, up until the moment when Mia Farrow's char- acter, with nowhere else to go, goes to the movies. Up on screen is Fred Astaire, dancing, and life is livable again, because no universe with Fred Astaire in it can keep you down for long. Jeff Daniels is absolutely *marvelous* in that movie -- one of Woody's best. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All Whit Stillman films -- which unfortunately are rare -- only three so far. The Last Days of Disco Barcelona Metropolitan Also for the chick warrior category, Whale Rider. The Great Escape seems symbolically relevant. Great reminders all. Thanks again. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
A benefit of this exercise has been to ponder the question of the spiritual aesthetic, what are the key if not the appropriate elements of a spiritual film criticism, what is the theoretical foundation from which to judge films as to being spiritual. Unc started such a discussion in his origianl post. I need to re-read and integrate with some emerging thoughts. Perhaps among some elements of the aesthetic: 1) deeper levels emerge later in the fim, or after repeated viewings, where a different, best -- a contrasting, opposing, symbolism/ message emerges where one goes holy cow dung!. This is not about character twists where the good guys are really seen to be bad guys, etc, though that may too me a category. What I am referring to is a process that the film takes you through, and wakes something up inside, shifts something. In some cases it may be manipulation, but then so are guided meditations. As a technique or spiritual process, manipulation may be an ok, even a good thing, if its a catalyst, it causes a transformation of insight, and then itself (the catalyst) dissappears. The Winslow Boy is a good example of that, for me, though I am curious if others got it in the same way that happened to me. 2)spiritual warrior is a good and relevant category. However, again as above, it should be a catalysis, not a thing in itself. It should serve as temporary tool that shocks or transforms awareness to a new newness. If identity remains stuck as spiritual warrior then it is binding not liberating. Use of temporary identification of being a spiritual warrior should be temporarily catalytic not permanent. Does the spiritual warrior film induce such catalytic process change -- or does it induce a more permanent identification, a new, albeit higher, set of chains. Some of the films mentioned, all testosterone soaked odyessies, have certain liberating aspects, but their excesses, IMO, diminish their overall impact. And I am not sure whehter they are catalytic and transcend the warrior tool, or simply induce macho warrior identification. I would think First Blood might better serve the catalytic warrior role than some of the Mel/Arnold genre mentioned. Thats if one really wants to be pumped up, or perhaps more accurately, puffed up, in male warrior mode. In some real ways, I think chick warrior films may more naturally be catalytic rather than creating new binding identifications. The key questions from this spiritual film aesthetic is whether the warior identification is used, then transcended -- either by the characters in the film, or in the process and transformation induced in the films' viewer. Blue Crash (great girl surfer film) and Bend It Like Beckham are better spiritual warrior films, IMO, than Mel and Arnold fare -- though I appreciate some of their works quite a lot. 3) Do the films have a visceral impact in spiritual regions of the body? Do they leave you literally breathless, with a profound punch to the solar plexus, a huge glow in the heart, or a huge lump / glow in the throat? This is not a cerebral response, its beyond thinking. And some visceral impacts may be decidedly non-spiritual -- it may be a fine edge to discern. As examples, at the end of Schindlers List, I could barely breath, I had to force breath, and could not move. The film had manipulated me to a new state -- like a guided meditation. 4) Does the film help one to disrobe from current identities and either leave one naked or at a minimum transform identification from a small idividuality to a larger whole -- the land (Out of Africa), a people, an ideal. Or best of all, destroys identification -- often through disillusionment with all or at least prominent attachments. 5) Does the film, in itself, or specific sub-plots or characters' conflicts, create useful analogies for the spiritual path, experiences and states? 6) Does the film create unresolvable conflicts which prompt / force transcendance? A continuing dialogue, more thoughts emerging ... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jotting on the backs of envelopes over the last couple of days. Il Postino The Winslow Boy King of Hearts Big Dr. Strangelove Wall St. Lawrence of Arabia Oleanna Alice Day for Night Indochine Dopamine Hudsucker Proxy The Player Wag the Dog Roxanne Grand Canyon Bridge of the River Kwai White Oleander Last Year at Marienbad American Rhapsody Pennies from Heaven Hillary and Jackie Amelie Heaven Can Wait Splendor in the Grass Reds The Last Metro Billie Madison Ghost World No Way Out Ma Vie en Rose Ruby in Paradise Pieces of April Vanilla Sky Run Lola Run Finding Forrester Gorrillas in the Mist The Wild Bunch Mississipi Burning Breathless (original) Godfather Philadephia Story Robin and Marian Zelig Gattaca A Little Romance
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A benefit of this exercise has been to ponder the question of the spiritual aesthetic, what are the key if not the appropriate elements of a spiritual film criticism, what is the theoretical foundation from which to judge films as to being spiritual. Unc started such a discussion in his origianl post. I need to re- read and integrate with some emerging thoughts. Perhaps among some elements of the aesthetic: 1) deeper levels emerge later in the fim, or after repeated viewings... I've seen many of my favorite films a dozen times each. I've watched a few of my favorites more than that. A great film gets *better* with subsequent viewings. ...where a different, best -- a contrasting, opposing, symbolism/ message emerges where one goes holy cow dung!. This is not about character twists where the good guys are really seen to be bad guys, etc, though that may too me a category. What I am referring to is a process that the film takes you through, and wakes something up inside, shifts something. In some cases it may be manipulation, but then so are guided meditations. As a technique or spiritual process, manipulation may be an ok, even a good thing, if its a catalyst, it causes a transformation of insight, and then itself (the catalyst) dissappears. The Winslow Boy is a good example of that, for me, though I am curious if others got it in the same way that happened to me. Yup. If I think of myself as the same person after seeing the film as I was before seeing it, it prob- ably wouldn't fit my definition of spiritual. 2)spiritual warrior is a good and relevant category. However, again as above, it should be a catalysis, not a thing in itself. It should serve as temporary tool that shocks or transforms awareness to a new newness. If identity remains stuck as spiritual warrior then it is binding not liberating. I agree, with the caveat below. Use of temporary identification of being a spiritual warrior should be temporarily catalytic not permanent. Unless your path happens to be that of a warrior, in which case it might be a good thing. :-) Does the spiritual warrior film induce such catalytic process change -- or does it induce a more permanent identification, a new, albeit higher, set of chains. Some of the films mentioned, all testosterone soaked odyessies, have certain liberating aspects, but their excesses, IMO, diminish their overall impact. I have never met a film whose excesses in this area diminished my appreciation of it as a spiritual film. But then, as far as I can tell, I spent quite a few lifetimes as a warrior, so *none* of the stuff that bothers other people seems to affect me in the least. I sometimes don't even notice the violence if the film has captured my attention in other ways. And I am not sure whehter they are catalytic and transcend the warrior tool, or simply induce macho warrior identification. I would think First Blood might better serve the catalytic warrior role than some of the Mel/Arnold genre mentioned. Interesting. I would say the opposite. To each his or her own, I guess. Thats if one really wants to be pumped up, or perhaps more accurately, puffed up, in male warrior mode. In some real ways, I think chick warrior films may more naturally be catalytic rather than creating new binding identifications. They are certainly liberating in that we have all been programmed to see women *not* as warriors, and *not* having the qualities of them. Anything that blows away that stereotype is a good thing in my book. The part of Ripley in Ridley Scott's Alien was originally written for a man. But what a difference it makes when it is played by a woman. The key questions from this spiritual film aesthetic is whether the warior identification is used, then transcended -- either by the characters in the film, or in the process and transformation induced in the films' viewer. Blue Crash (great girl surfer film) and Bend It Like Beckham are better spiritual warrior films, IMO, than Mel and Arnold fare -- though I appreciate some of their works quite a lot. Can't agree. Haven't seen the Beckham film, and Blue Crush was cute, but trite to the max IMO and with acting and plotting that wouldn't have cut the mustard on cable TV. Whereas Conan the Barbarian was IMO a great film by *film* standards, as was Braveheart. One just can't generalize when talking about Arnold and Mel IMO; context is all...you have to specify *which* Arnold or Mel film. 3) Do the films have a visceral impact in spiritual regions of the body? Do they leave you literally breathless, with a profound punch to the solar plexus, a huge glow in the heart, or a huge lump / glow in the throat? This is not a cerebral response, its beyond thinking. While an interesting criterion, I suspect this is more individual than anything else. I've
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Picnic At Hanging Rock, Another good, somewhat obscure, aussie film: Flirting http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101898/ First film of Nicole Kidman and Thandie Newton. Interesting youthful take on transcending social roles and expectations. Also, not related, but should be on the list; Prince of the City http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082945/ and Serpico, two great Sydney Lumet films, which deal in their own ways with deep disillusionment and transcending initial mindsets. Rounds out the othe Lumet film already mentioned: The Verdict. Going a bit deeper on Lumet: 12 Angery Men -- subjectivness of reality theme, in that way, similar to Mamet's Oleanna. Another Lumet classic, Network, seems a natural, breaking boundaries, I'm not going to take it any more, though perhaps having become bit a cliche film -- that is -- it is on all lists. A smaller Lumet film, Failsafe (and its book), dealing with huge and imponderable decisions, forces a level of transcendence. Another Burdick novel made into a film, Seven Days in May, should be considered, though the reasoning for making its case as a spiritual film -- may take a bit to develop. Othe Lumet films for consideration: the Hill, Dog Day Afternoon http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001486/ plus a number I have not seen, but I am sure are worth viewing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
Here's a list of movies I haven't seen, but that look interesting. Sorted by rottentomatoes.com Tomatometer rating Movie Tomatometer Rating 3 Women http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/3Women-1098600/reviews.php (PG) Robert Altman delivers one of his most startlingly enigmatic pictures with 3 WOMEN. Inspired by a dream Altman had in which he was shooting ... more... http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/3Women-1098600/ Directed by: Robert Altman http://www.rottentomatoes.com/p/RobertAltman-1040504/ Starring: Shelley Duvall http://www.rottentomatoes.com/p/ShelleyDuvall-1004578/ , Sissy Spacek http://www.rottentomatoes.com/p/SissySpacek-1014635/ , et al. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/3Women-1098600/cast_crew.php Format: DVD http://www.rottentomatoes.com/url/shop.php?k=pricegrabber-movieid=1098600 http://www.rottentomatoes.com/url/shop.php?k=pricegrabber-movieamp;id=1098 600100% American Dream http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/AmericanDream-1038738/reviews.php (PG) Plot: Barbara Kopple's disturbing account of the protracted strike of the employees of the Hormel meat-packing plant in Austin, Minnesota, in 1984 is set against ... more... http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/AmericanDream-1038738/ Directed by: Barbara Kopple http://www.rottentomatoes.com/p/BarbaraKopple-1044895/ 100% Gas Food Lodging (R) Allison Anders¹s GAS FOOD LODGING is a heartfelt, honest look at a teenage girl¹s coming of age. Fairuza Balk stars, giving a tremendously sympathetic . FV 100% Kestrel's Eye http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/KestrelsEye-1103556/reviews.php(Not Rated)Plot: Having been filmed over the course of several years, this documentary follows the life of a family of European falcons that nest in the ... more... http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/KestrelsEye-1103556/ Directed by: Mikael Kristersson http://www.rottentomatoes.com/p/MikaelKristersson-1137380/ 100% La Strada http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/LaStrada-1011770/reviews.php (Not Rated) Plot: Zampano (Anthony Quinn), a performer in a traveling carnival outside of Rome, purchases the young, poor Gelsomina (Giulietta Masina) to be his wife MA 100% Maurice http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/Maurice-1013577/reviews.php (R) Plot: E.M. Forster¹s provocative 1914 novel, published posthumously in 1971, is brought to the screen by director James Ivory in this beautifully photographed film. Set ... more... http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/Maurice-1013577/ Directed by: James Ivory http://www.rottentomatoes.com/p/JamesIvory-1041931/ Starring: James Wilby http://www.rottentomatoes.com/p/JamesWilby-1016665/ , Hugh Grant http://www.rottentomatoes.com/p/HughGrant-1006095/ , 100% Melvin Goes to Dinner http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/MelvinGoestoDinner-1127589/reviews.php (Not Rated)Plot: MELVIN GOES TO DINNER marks the directorial debut of comedy writer Bob Odenkirk, co-creator and co-star of the acclaimed HBO series Mr. Show. Michael ... more... http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/MelvinGoestoDinner-1127589/ FV MA 100% My Darling Clementine http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/MyDarlingClementine-1014498/reviews.php (Not Rated)Plot: In another of his classic Westerns, John Ford again reflects upon the advance of civilization on the receding frontier, recounting the events leading up ... more... http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/MyDarlingClementine-1014498/ Directed by: John Ford http://www.rottentomatoes.com/p/JohnFord-1037650/ Starring: Henry Fonda http://www.rottentomatoes.com/p/HenryFonda-1005237/ , Linda Darnell http://www.rottentomatoes.com/p/LindaDarnell-1003788/ , et al. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/MyDarlingClementine-1014498/cast_crew.php 100% Norma Rae - Set in the industrial South and based on a true story, Martin Ritt¹s NORMA RAE is a moving portrait of a woman¹s fight to improve both her own life and the deplorable conditions that exist in the mill where she works. FV MA 100% PEPE LE MOKO -- Starring Jean Gabin Mireille Balin, directed by Julien Duvivier (1937) A notorious gangster hides out in the Casbah for safety and soon realizes he's a prisoner, unable to ever leave its confines. 100% Richard III http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/RichardIII-1017538/reviews.php (Not Rated) Plot: Amid the Wars of the Roses in England, ruling monarch Edward IV's lame, misshapen brother Richard schemes to ascend the throne. Richard turns the ... more... http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/RichardIII-1017538/ Directed by: Laurence Olivier http://www.rottentomatoes.com/p/LaurenceOlivier-1011726/ Starring: Laurence Olivier http://www.rottentomatoes.com/p/LaurenceOlivier-1011726/ , Cedric Hardwicke http://www.rottentomatoes.com/p/CedricHardwicke-1006554/ , et al. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/RichardIII-1017538/cast_crew.php 100% Sunset Boulevard (1950) Billy Wilder's masterpiece, a corrosive black comedy that remains the most memorable assault on the emptiness and vanity of
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a list of movies I haven't seen, but that look interesting. Sorted by rottentomatoes.com Tomatometer rating I've seen the following, liked them all, and in in some sense think they fit the spiritual criterion: 3 Women Norma Rae PEPE LE MOKO Sunset Boulevard The Best Years of Our Lives The Front -- EXCELLENT! The Hired Hand The Last Metro The Postman Always Rings Twice The Rules of the Game The Treasure of the Sierra Madre To Have and Have Not Wings of Desire -- EXCELLENT, as is the remake, City of Angels Walkabout -- EXCELLENT Wild Strawberries Dirty Pretty Things -- EXCELLENT City of God Blow-Up Shaun of the Dead -- HILARIOUS Himalaya My Dinner With Andre The Blind Swordsman: Zatoichi -- *any* Zatoichi film is great! Boys Don¹t Cry Ram Dass: Fierce Grace Death in Venice Duel Swimming Pool The Last Wave -- EXCELLENT Hamlet The House Of Mirth A Very Long Engagement Akira Kurosawa's Dreams Be Glad For The Song Has No Ending (The Incredible String Band) - Bob Dylan: Don't Look Back Gorillas in the Mist Ikiru MindWalk -- BEYOND EXCELLENT!!! Sorceress Why Has Bodhi-Dharma Left for the East? -- EXCELLENT Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] For me, the main quality of a good film is that it *surprises* me, and takes me somewhere I have never been before. Agreed. When I saw Breathless w/ Richard Gere, I knew nothing about it. The warped compulsiveness of his character coupled with his unbridled optimism really captivated me. The scene where he's watching TV while Elvis' Caught in a Trap is playing in the background summed it up for me. He sees that the cop he shot has just died. He looks out the window into the courtyard to see others watching the news as well; the heaviness of the situation and concurrent drama of the song kick in and I was experiencing the discomfort. Suddenly he jumps up from his chair, throws the bathroom door open, takes one side of the shower sliding door off the track and jumps into the shower with his French girlfriend - the joyous energy of the song capturing that sudden change of mood just as well as it had created the drama. Leaving me: Breathless. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
For me, the main quality of a good film is that it *surprises* me, and takes me somewhere I have never been before. Agreed. When I saw Breathless w/ Richard Gere, I knew nothing about it. The warped compulsiveness of his character coupled with his unbridled optimism really captivated me. The scene where he's watching TV while Elvis' Caught in a Trap is playing in the background summed it up for me. He sees that the cop he shot has just died. He looks out the window into the courtyard to see others watching the news as well; the heaviness of the situation and concurrent drama of the song kick in and I was experiencing the discomfort. Suddenly he jumps up from his chair, throws the bathroom door open, takes one side of the shower sliding door off the track and jumps into the shower with his French girlfriend - the joyous energy of the song capturing that sudden change of mood just as well as it had created the drama. Leaving me: Breathless. Yup. You should see the original. The Richard Gere remake was actually very good, but the original vision was Jean-Luc Godard's, and the original compulsive wild man was Belmondo. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
Bipolars and borderlines might make for exciting drama in movies, but actually having to deal with one in real life becomes quite charmless very quickly. --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me, the main quality of a good film is that it *surprises* me, and takes me somewhere I have never been before. Agreed. When I saw Breathless w/ Richard Gere, I knew nothing about it. The warped compulsiveness of his character coupled with his unbridled optimism really captivated me. The scene where he's watching TV while Elvis' Caught in a Trap is playing in the background summed it up for me. He sees that the cop he shot has just died. He looks out the window into the courtyard to see others watching the news as well; the heaviness of the situation and concurrent drama of the song kick in and I was experiencing the discomfort. Suddenly he jumps up from his chair, throws the bathroom door open, takes one side of the shower sliding door off the track and jumps into the shower with his French girlfriend - the joyous energy of the song capturing that sudden change of mood just as well as it had created the drama. Leaving me: Breathless. Yup. You should see the original. The Richard Gere remake was actually very good, but the original vision was Jean-Luc Godard's, and the original compulsive wild man was Belmondo. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
I am guessing some of our differing views on specific films may be a difference in angle of pursuit, in intention , in view -- in an active sense. And has to do with definitions. In my mind, I am making a clear distinction between spiritual films and great films. Thus a spiritual film, may be mediocre, a great film may not be spiritual, and a great spiritual film may not also be a great film -- though would probably be at least good. I am guessing, from your remarks, that you are looking for great spiritual films, not simply spiritual films. And I am not looking at great films, and then further probing for spiritual metaphors and messages. So although it's really fun to try to come up with ways to describe what makes a film spiritual, I think I'm going to try to resist the temptation. I'm going to stick to the same definition I use for art -- I know it when I see it. I was struck that we, and several others, tend to agree that certain lists of films are spiritual. It appears that there is something there there -- its intriguing to me to understand what makes such spiritual and why others are not -- what is the spiritual aesthetic, what are the key elements of a spiritual film criticism, what is the theoretical foundation from which to judge films as to being spiritual. Perhaps, as I am sure some would say, that such analysis destroys the innocence -- perhaps that is yor view, but I am yet not convinced. And some visceral impacts may be decidedly non-spiritual -- it may be a fine edge to discern. As examples, at the end of Schindlers List, I could barely breath, I had to force breath, and could not move. The film had manipulated me to a new state -- like a guided meditation. That's Spielberg's trademark, and IMO why it took so long for him to win an Academy Award. He *can* manipulate the audience, pretty much *any* audience, even jaded filmgoers, and the people in the Academy resented him for that. They tend in the Academy to resent runaway success period, and no matter how much they resented him, he could force them to feel what he wanted to feel *anyway*. I think some bad films can be great spiritual films. I think some bad films are such because they are manipulative. Sleepless in Seattle and You've Got Mail come to mind. Hmmm a definite Meg Ryan / Tom Hanks theme here. While such films might be entertaining in an escapist sort of mind-numbing way, IMO, they are sort of like letting some disemboddied entity take over your mind and body, or your soul, -- as in channeling. You allow yourself to be manipulated, not for some transcendetal effect, parallel to guided meditation, but rather to be mainlined with sweetness and feel-good sentimentality. As nutritious and long-run fulfilling as eating Sugar Pops. While these are crappy films, in the general sense, such films could be great spiritual films, if upon viewing them induces an awareness within the viewer as to why and how such films are manipulating them -- thus in a sense -- creating an innoculation agains such in future films -- and in life. And I am not sure whehter they are catalytic and transcend the warrior tool, or simply induce macho warrior identification. I would think First Blood might better serve the catalytic warrior role than some of the Mel/Arnold genre mentioned. Interesting. I would say the opposite. To each his or her own, I guess. First, I am probably thinking of different Mel and Arnold films than you -- as you state later, one needs to go film by film. And I have a great deficiency in some film areas -- there have been periods of three years of more when I rarely saw any films, if any. Other times, I saw a lot. With DVDs and NetFlix, I am slowly filling in the gaps. I have not seen Conan -- so I simply cannot judge. And Road Warrior was seen too long ago to view sensibly. And these appear to be your top warrior films. So I really can't offer up a criticism or alternatives. First Blood came to mind, not becasue I think its a particularly good film, but because it has, as I remember, certain strong spiritual warrior themes. Such as: i) never give up, no matter how bad it gets, no matter how overwhelming, never give up, keep going, and ii) conventional social views are not, often are not, the TRUTH -- be willing to live outside the law or social convention if needed to pursue the truth. I would stipulate without (re)viewing them that Road Warrior and Conan are (probably) better films than First Blood. Whether they are better spiritual films is another question and one I will have to wait to answer -- upon (re)viewing your picks. The key questions from this spiritual film aesthetic is whether the warior identification is used, then transcended -- either by the characters in the film, or in the process and transformation induced in the films' viewer. Blue Crash (great girl surfer film) and Bend It Like Beckham are better spiritual warrior films,
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bipolars and borderlines might make for exciting drama in movies, but actually having to deal with one in real life becomes quite charmless very quickly. True, but we're talking about movies... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Picnic At Hanging Rock, Another good, somewhat obscure, aussie film: Flirting http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101898/ First film of Nicole Kidman and Thandie Newton. Interesting youthful take on transcending social roles and expectations. Also, not related, but should be on the list; Prince of the City http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082945/ and Serpico, two great Sydney Lumet films, which deal in their own ways with deep disillusionment and transcending initial mindsets. Rounds out the othe Lumet film already mentioned: The Verdict. Going a bit deeper on Lumet: 12 Angery Men -- subjectivness of reality theme, in that way, similar to Mamet's Oleanna. Another Lumet classic, Network, seems a natural, breaking boundaries, I'm not going to take it any more, though perhaps having become bit a cliche film -- that is -- it is on all lists. A smaller Lumet film, Failsafe (and its book), dealing with huge and imponderable decisions, forces a level of transcendence. Another Burdick novel made into a film, Seven Days in May, should be considered, though the reasoning for making its case as a spiritual film -- may take a bit to develop. Othe Lumet films for consideration: the Hill, Dog Day Afternoon http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001486/ plus a number I have not seen, but I am sure are worth viewing. One of my favourite Lumet films is Night Falls on Manhattan with Andy Garcia. Lumet is an incredibly prolific director and until you see the list of his films you don't realize how many favourites of yours he made! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bipolars and borderlines might make for exciting drama in movies, but actually having to deal with one in real life becomes quite charmless very quickly. True, but we're talking about movies... I thought life was a movie. Woody Allen's The Purple Rose of Cairo is a funny and interesting look at that theme. shoudl be on most lists. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a list of movies I haven't seen, but that look interesting. Sorted by rottentomatoes.com Tomatometer rating I've seen the following, liked them all, and in in some sense think they fit the spiritual criterion: 3 Women Norma Rae PEPE LE MOKO Sunset Boulevard The Best Years of Our Lives The Front -- EXCELLENT! The Hired Hand The Last Metro The Postman Always Rings Twice The Rules of the Game The Treasure of the Sierra Madre To Have and Have Not Wings of Desire -- EXCELLENT, as is the remake, City of Angels Walkabout -- EXCELLENT Nicolas Roeg directed it -- he also did Performance with Mick Jagger. Wild Strawberries Dirty Pretty Things -- EXCELLENT City of God Blow-Up Shaun of the Dead -- HILARIOUS Himalaya My Dinner With Andre I would rather see My breakfast with Blassie the spoof by Andy Kaufman. The Blind Swordsman: Zatoichi -- *any* Zatoichi film is great! Boys Don¹t Cry Ram Dass: Fierce Grace Death in Venice Duel Swimming Pool I loved Swimming Pool because of the young star Ludivine Sagnier. Voluptuous, yes, but her natural style which is SO different from the run-of-the-mill Hollywood plastic blondes, is so very refreshing. I just saw another French film in which the starlette was so different from the typical Hollywood mold but so natural and good. It's called Girls can't swim (Les femmes ne savent pas nager), starring Isild Le Besco, who has a very unusual beauty but is SO natural in her acting that you can't take your eyes off of her. The Last Wave -- EXCELLENT Hamlet The House Of Mirth A Very Long Engagement Akira Kurosawa's Dreams Be Glad For The Song Has No Ending (The Incredible String Band) - Bob Dylan: Don't Look Back Gorillas in the Mist Ikiru MindWalk -- BEYOND EXCELLENT!!! Sorceress Why Has Bodhi-Dharma Left for the East? -- EXCELLENT Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am guessing some of our differing views on specific films may be a difference in angle of pursuit, in intention , in view -- in an active sense. And has to do with definitions. In my mind, I am making a clear distinction between spiritual films and great films. Thus a spiritual film, may be mediocre, a great film may not be spiritual, and a great spiritual film may not also be a great film -- though would probably be at least good. I am guessing, from your remarks, that you are looking for great spiritual films, not simply spiritual films. And I am not looking at great films, and then further probing for spiritual metaphors and messages. So although it's really fun to try to come up with ways to describe what makes a film spiritual, I think I'm going to try to resist the temptation. I'm going to stick to the same definition I use for art -- I know it when I see it. I was struck that we, and several others, tend to agree that certain lists of films are spiritual. It appears that there is something there there -- its intriguing to me to understand what makes such spiritual and why others are not -- what is the spiritual aesthetic, what are the key elements of a spiritual film criticism, what is the theoretical foundation from which to judge films as to being spiritual. Perhaps, as I am sure some would say, that such analysis destroys the innocence -- perhaps that is yor view, but I am yet not convinced. And some visceral impacts may be decidedly non-spiritual -- it may be a fine edge to discern. As examples, at the end of Schindlers List, I could barely breath, I had to force breath, and could not move. The film had manipulated me to a new state -- like a guided meditation. That's Spielberg's trademark, and IMO why it took so long for him to win an Academy Award. He *can* manipulate the audience, pretty much *any* audience, even jaded filmgoers, and the people in the Academy resented him for that. They tend in the Academy to resent runaway success period, and no matter how much they resented him, he could force them to feel what he wanted to feel *anyway*. I think some bad films can be great spiritual films. I think some bad films are such because they are manipulative. Sleepless in Seattle and You've Got Mail come to mind. Hmmm a definite Meg Ryan / Tom Hanks theme here. While such films might be entertaining in an escapist sort of mind-numbing way, IMO, they are sort of like letting some disemboddied entity take over your mind and body, or your soul, -- as in channeling. You allow yourself to be manipulated, not for some transcendetal effect, parallel to guided meditation, but rather to be mainlined with sweetness and feel-good sentimentality. As nutritious and long-run fulfilling as eating Sugar Pops. While these are crappy films, in the general sense, such films could be great spiritual films, if upon viewing them induces an awareness within the viewer as to why and how such films are manipulating them -- thus in a sense -- creating an innoculation agains such in future films -- and in life. And I am not sure whehter they are catalytic and transcend the warrior tool, or simply induce macho warrior identification. I would think First Blood might better serve the catalytic warrior role than some of the Mel/Arnold genre mentioned. Interesting. I would say the opposite. To each his or her own, I guess. First, I am probably thinking of different Mel and Arnold films than you -- as you state later, one needs to go film by film. And I have a great deficiency in some film areas -- there have been periods of three years of more when I rarely saw any films, if any. Other times, I saw a lot. With DVDs and NetFlix, I am slowly filling in the gaps. I have not seen Conan -- so I simply cannot judge. And Road Warrior was seen too long ago to view sensibly. And these appear to be your top warrior films. So I really can't offer up a criticism or alternatives. First Blood came to mind, not becasue I think its a particularly good film, but because it has, as I remember, certain strong spiritual warrior themes. Such as: i) never give up, no matter how bad it gets, no matter how overwhelming, never give up, keep going, and ii) conventional social views are not, often are not, the TRUTH -- be willing to live outside the law or social convention if needed to pursue the truth. I would stipulate without (re)viewing them that Road Warrior and Conan are (probably) better films than First Blood. Whether they are better spiritual films is another question and one I will have to wait to answer -- upon (re)viewing your picks. The key questions from this spiritual film aesthetic is whether the warior identification is used, then transcended -- either
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bipolars and borderlines might make for exciting drama in movies, but actually having to deal with one in real life becomes quite charmless very quickly. True, but we're talking about movies... I thought life was a movie. Woody Allen's The Purple Rose of Cairo is a funny and interesting look at that theme. shoudl be on most lists. ...starring Prudence Farrow (small part)... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bipolars and borderlines might make for exciting drama in movies, but actually having to deal with one in real life becomes quite charmless very quickly. True, but we're talking about movies... I thought life was a movie. Woody Allen's The Purple Rose of Cairo is a funny and interesting look at that theme. shoudl be on most lists. ...starring Prudence Farrow (small part)... Really -- what part? I remember seeing a film credit for her, on the production side, in some Woddy Allen film, but I was not aware she also had an on camera role. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bipolars and borderlines might make for exciting drama in movies, but actually having to deal with one in real life becomes quite charmless very quickly. True, but we're talking about movies... I thought life was a movie. Woody Allen's The Purple Rose of Cairo is a funny and interesting look at that theme. shoudl be on most lists. ...starring Prudence Farrow (small part)... Really -- what part? I remember seeing a film credit for her, on the production side, in some Woddy Allen film, but I was not aware she also had an on camera role. Stephaine Farrow is listed, another sister I think -- there were 4-5 Farrow sisters as i recall (themes and material for Hanna and Her Sisters -- I am sure). And I have seen other Farrow sisters in minor roles. But not Prudie. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089853/fullcredits Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bipolars and borderlines might make for exciting drama in movies, but actually having to deal with one in real life becomes quite charmless very quickly. True, but we're talking about movies... I thought life was a movie. Woody Allen's The Purple Rose of Cairo is a funny and interesting look at that theme. shoudl be on most lists. ...starring Prudence Farrow (small part)... Really -- what part? I remember seeing a film credit for her, on the production side, in some Woddy Allen film, but I was not aware she also had an on camera role. Sorry, I am mistaken...it was another Farrow (sister?) called Stephanie that was in it, although upon inspection of the imdb.com Prudence did have an off-camera credit... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bipolars and borderlines might make for exciting drama in movies, but actually having to deal with one in real life becomes quite charmless very quickly. True, but we're talking about movies... I thought life was a movie. Woody Allen's The Purple Rose of Cairo is a funny and interesting look at that theme. shoudl be on most lists. ...starring Prudence Farrow (small part)... Really -- what part? I remember seeing a film credit for her, on the production side, in some Woddy Allen film, but I was not aware she also had an on camera role. Stephaine Farrow is listed, another sister I think -- there were 4-5 Farrow sisters as i recall (themes and material for Hanna and Her Sisters -- I am sure). And I have seen other Farrow sisters in minor roles. But not Prudie. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089853/fullcredits There are no Woody Allen film on camera listings for Prudie, only production work. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0268527/ Tisa Farrow, a sister, was in Manhattan. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0268533/ There is a Lauren Farrow actually in Swimming Pool -- but I don't think she is a sister. Perhaps a niece or soemthing. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1352957/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
All Whit Stillman films -- which unfortunately are rare -- only three so far. The Last Days of Disco Barcelona Metropolitan Also for the chick warrior category, Whale Rider. The Great Escape seems symbolically relevant. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All Whit Stillman films -- which unfortunately are rare -- only three so far. The Last Days of Disco Especially because Chloe Sevigny is in it... Barcelona Metropolitan Also for the chick warrior category, Whale Rider. The Great Escape seems symbolically relevant. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All Whit Stillman films -- which unfortunately are rare -- only three so far. The Last Days of Disco Especially because Chloe Sevigny is in it... Yes she is great. I liked Kate Beckinsale in that film too. She nailed Charlotte I thought, an extra challenge in that she is British, playing an american career girl. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
Gadjo Dilo or The Crazy Stranger by Toni Gatlif. It is in French and Romany with english subtitles. Its a favorite quirky romantic gypsy movie. The love scene is AH well,you have to see it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bliss which won the Australian academy award in the mid-80's. The more recent film American Beauty is an a poor rip off of that film IMO. It basically tells the story of an advertising exec who dies and then come back to his old life, but everything seems different. He's convinced he's in hell... Very tantric, esp. that Honey Barbara. Seen it, agree that it's an interesting film, couldn't disagree more strongly that it's a ripoff of or better than American Beauty. :-) Thanks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As input for a book idea, I was wondering whether folks here have favorite films that they consider spiritual. Braveheart, Pulp Fiction, Como Agua Para Chocolate Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As input for a book idea, I was wondering whether folks here have favorite films that they consider spiritual. Braveheart, Pulp Fiction, Como Agua Para Chocolate Cool. I'm interested in what turns you on spiritually about Pulp Fiction, if you feel like sharing... Your Spanish title for Like Water For Chocolate reminded me of another of my faves, Y Tu Mama Tambien. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cool. I'm interested in what turns you on spiritually about Pulp Fiction, if you feel like sharing... It's a morality play where everyone gets what they deserve. That's how I feel the universe is set up. Jules has a Paul the Apostle type epiphany. Butch can't leave the guy who wants him dead in that predicament. Travolta's a narcissistic asshole but charasmatic and stangely philosophical about life. Everyone's living their own crazy realities, yet it seems real to me. Seems to me to reflect your definition of tantra. Particularly Butch needing to go after his watch. And it still makes me laugh like hell. So many incredible lines. Can't get more spiritual than that. Your Spanish title for Like Water For Chocolate reminded me of another of my faves, Y Tu Mama Tambien. I was going to list that one too, but couldn't remember the name. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
--- Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As input for a book idea, I was wondering whether folks here have favorite films that they consider spiritual. Braveheart, Pulp Fiction, Como Agua Para Chocolate Return to Paradise Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cool. I'm interested in what turns you on spiritually about Pulp Fiction, if you feel like sharing... It's a morality play where everyone gets what they deserve. That's how I feel the universe is set up. Jules has a Paul the Apostle type epiphany. Butch can't leave the guy who wants him dead in that predicament. Travolta's a narcissistic asshole but charasmatic and stangely philosophical about life. Everyone's living their own crazy realities, yet it seems real to me. Seems to me to reflect your definition of tantra. Particularly Butch needing to go after his watch. And it still makes me laugh like hell. So many incredible lines. Can't get more spiritual than that. Your Spanish title for Like Water For Chocolate reminded me of another of my faves, Y Tu Mama Tambien. I was going to list that one too, but couldn't remember the name. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As input for a book idea, I was wondering whether folks here have favorite films that they consider spiritual. Braveheart, Pulp Fiction, Como Agua Para Chocolate Return to Paradise Cool. I don't know this one. Do tell. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As input for a book idea, I was wondering whether folks here have favorite films that they consider spiritual. Braveheart, Pulp Fiction, Como Agua Para Chocolate Return to Paradise Cool. I don't know this one. Do tell. Rent the DVD. Blows your mind.The back story: A bunch of stupid 20 something kids get busted for hash while having fun in Malaysia. They all get out but one who's in a Malaysian prison being held for trial. He's been there for a year or two while his buddies in the US try to forgetabout it. They can't and along with his lawyer sister try to intervene to either get him out or lessen his sentence. Thing's don't work out quite as planned. It's rare that a movie can shock you into the transcendent and deeply open your heart all at the same time. Not for mood makers! The climactic scene cuts through all the BS to what really counts. If you've seen this movie, please do not give away the ending. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
Brief review on the spiritual aspects of the new movie Grizzly Man: http://www.theamericanscene.com/2005/08/movie-of-year-no-its-not-40-year-old.php Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
Return to Paradise Cool. I don't know this one. Do tell. Rent the DVD. Blows your mind.The back story: A bunch of stupid 20 something kids get busted for hash while having fun in Malaysia. They all get out but one who's in a Malaysian prison being held for trial. He's been there for a year or two while his buddies in the US try to forgetabout it. They can't and along with his lawyer sister try to intervene to either get him out or lessen his sentence. Thing's don't work out quite as planned. It's rare that a movie can shock you into the transcendent and deeply open your heart all at the same time. Not for mood makers! The climactic scene cuts through all the BS to what really counts. If you've seen this movie, please do not give away the ending. Cool. It'll fit in well with other movies on my list about ethics and ethical characters, such as The Contender, Proof Of Life, The Verdict, etc. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brief review on the spiritual aspects of the new movie Grizzly Man: http://www.theamericanscene.com/2005/08/movie-of-year-no-its-not-40- year-old.php Cool. Thanks. Reminds me of another one on my list, Jeremiah Johnson. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Request -- what are your favorite offbeat spiritual films?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brief review on the spiritual aspects of the new movie Grizzly Man: http://www.theamericanscene.com/2005/08/movie-of-year-no-its-not-40- year-old.php Scroll down past the end of the review to read the comments from readers; they're pretty interesting in their range of views. As interpreted by the reviewer, the spirituality of the Grizzly Man would be a good example of what Ken Wilber calls the pre/trans fallacy, in which devolution to the primordial state is mistakenly held to be equivalent to evolution to the transcendent state, because both appear to be forms of unity. But in one case, there is unity because diversity hasn't yet been encompassed; and in the other, it's because diversity has been fully encompassed and then transcended, according to Wilber. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
