[FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to miss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 3, 2005, at 8:33 PM, off_world_beings wrote: You still have to perfect nirodha, total cessation (of breath and mind) This is the early stages of TM. Really? In the early stages of TM people cease breathing for hours or day at a time? You didn't state for hours or a day at a time in your post ! Where is your proof of this wild and un-documented phenomena. No, I cannot do it. Can you? Are Buddhists still on the slow boat to Never Never Land. Maybe you should ask a Buddhist. I'm asking you, since that is about as far as you seem to go. and integrate the rain of virtues, then, maybe, you'll be ready for CC. Rain of Virtues = Moodmaking (a common Buddhist technique). Rain of Virtues = pada four of Patanjali... For you is it is a path, for me (regardless of your interpretation of Patanjali) it is an epi-phenomena. Am I the only one on this board that sees this !? retain such knowledge, a species of photographic memory is necessary--so much so that volumes of pure knowledge can be seamlessly retained and repeated without flaw (or very minimal error). No. Access through the higher Self to the Akashic realm is all that is needed. It is like the internet. I have a computer, but not all the knowledge of the internet is stored on it, yet I have access to a vast database through the connection. There is no need to remember anythingexcept your higher Self (the transcendent) What higher Self; what Akashic realm? The one that one has access to when one has access to it. Perhaps you are unaware of it. Perhaps you are off-line. --Sleep. In the state of turiyatita, Cosmic Consciousness, sleep become an epiphenomenon rather than the basic phenomenon important for rest of the physical body. One of the important qualities of CC is the total integration of the senses with the void. Call a spade a spade. Your 'Void' is called the Transcendent by Maharishi. Well no not really--the transcendent is merely the calm state. Whether you ascertain the void or not ( : -) ) is another question. I think you need to take an English lesson. Look them up in a dictionary, then compare and contrast the terms in a one page essay. In conclusion, ask yourself, is there really a difference, or am I just putting a complicated and convoluted perspective on something that is inherently and unchangingly simple. You will find great freedom and advancement in this essay, and I will be most humbly corrected should you hold fast to your basic nature...which is unprotected and beautiful honesty. Luv OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to miss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] IMO, no he does not touch on the full criteria and experience of turiyatita (Cosmic Consciousness), At least you agree its your opinion... let alone the full path to attain it--although he does admit that 1) samkhya is the structure of CC and 2) Patanjali the means. If it's obvious to you that you were never taught Patanjali fully, then there's your answer. If you think you already were taught Patanjali, then you already have it. In your opinion? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to miss.
On Nov 3, 2005, at 10:39 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 3, 2005, at 8:11 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Nov 3, 2005, at 7:46 PM, authfriend wrote: It's mildly interesting to know that different systems put their labels at different stages of the enlightenment process, but it says nothing whatsoever about the relative effectiveness of the systems. That's just it, it's the same label: Mahesh calls it turiyatita also--it's just that he also translates as "Cosmic Consciousness" into English. He has also indicated the traditional synonyms, so it is talking of the same state--although he has only ever given the basic features of someone approaching the state (that I've heard).Whatis your background with MMY's discussions? I've only had the SCI tape course and the busy-work lectures from the TM centers and the busywork lectures from the TM-Sidhis (8-week in residence) course. It seems to me that MMY has touched upon all the criteria that you mentioned earlier at one point or another... I'll leave that topic for the diehard M. fans to chew on. Hmmm, so you won't answer the question... IMO, no he does not touch on the full criteria and experience of turiyatita ("Cosmic Consciousness"), let alone the full path to attain it--although he does admit that 1) samkhya is the structure of CC and 2) Patanjali the means. If it's obvious to you that you were never taught Patanjali fully, then there's your answer. If you think you already were taught Patanjali, then you already have it.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to miss.
On Nov 3, 2005, at 8:33 PM, off_world_beings wrote: You still have to perfect "nirodha", total cessation (of breath and "mind")This is the early stages of TM. Really? In the early stages of TM people cease breathing for hours or day at a time? Are Buddhists still on the slow boat to Never Never Land.Maybe you should ask a Buddhist. and integrate the "rain of virtues", then, maybe, you'll be ready for CC."Rain of Virtues" = Moodmaking (a common Buddhist technique).Rain of Virtues = pada four of Patanjali... retain such knowledge, a species of "photographic memory" is necessary--so much so that volumes of pure knowledge can be seamlessly retained and repeated without flaw (or very minimal error). No. Access through the higher Self to the Akashic realm is all that is needed. It is like the internet. I have a computer, but not all the knowledge of the internet is stored on it, yet I have access to a vast database through the connection. There is no need to remember anythingexcept your higher Self (the transcendent)What higher Self; what "Akashic realm"? --Sleep. In the state of turiyatita, Cosmic Consciousness, sleep become an epiphenomenon rather than the basic phenomenon important for "rest" of the physical body. One of the important qualities of CC is the total integration of the senses with the void.Call a spade a spade. Your 'Void' is called the Transcendent by Maharishi.Well no not really--the "transcendent" is merely the calm state. Whether you ascertain the void or not ( : -) ) is another question. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to miss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 3, 2005, at 8:33 PM, off_world_beings wrote: You still have to perfect nirodha, total cessation (of breath and mind) This is the early stages of TM. Really? In the early stages of TM people cease breathing for hours or day at a time? Are Buddhists still on the slow boat to Never Never Land. Maybe you should ask a Buddhist. and integrate the rain of virtues, then, maybe, you'll be ready for CC. Rain of Virtues = Moodmaking (a common Buddhist technique). Rain of Virtues = pada four of Patanjali... Well, yeah! And according to Taimni, dharma-megha- samaadhi is the highest degree of (nirbiija-)samaadhi! prasaMkhyaane 'py akusiidasya sarvathaa *viveka-khyaater* dharma-meghaH samaadhiH (IV 29) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to miss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometimes it's weird knowing the Enlightened Emperor is wearing no clothes. A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to miss. Funny how you only get as enlightened as you were told to... Vaj, you'd be a lot less confused if you just considered MMY's system on its own terms and didn't keep trying to compare it with other systems that may use similar terms to mean very different things with different criteria. Also, of course, that MMY defines CC in a certain way doesn't mean no TMer progresses to states beyond what MMY defines as CC. You only get as enlightened as you were told to sounds like you think MMY says what he defines as CC is the ultimate state of consciousness, but that isn't the case. --Viveka-khyati, grokking the distinction between buddhi and purusha ain't final realization, it's just another beginning. You still have to perfect nirodha, total cessation (of breath and mind) and integrate the rain of virtues, then, maybe, you'll be ready for CC. Maybe. There's more to it than you might have been told or are capable of believing. If you already know, then please tell me. --People who are perfecting nirodha, when they are merely resting, that is not moving about here and there, go spontaneously into a very refined breath. They might only breathe once or twice a minute. This is often a very difficult process to go through. Can you tell us what that is like? In meditation one will be able to easily cease all signs of external breathing for extended periods of time. --Superknowledge. When consciousness rests naturally next to the all- ground, the place where all of manifest creation emerges, it's natural to experience superknowledge, knowledge above and beyond what is normally available, even if you spent your entire waking life in devoted book-study. For example, you might gain the entire knowledge of an Ayurvedic physician through extraordinary means. To retain such knowledge, a species of photographic memory is necessary--so much so that volumes of pure knowledge can be seamlessly retained and repeated without flaw (or very minimal error). --Sleep. In the state of turiyatita, Cosmic Consciousness, sleep become an epiphenomenon rather than the basic phenomenon important for rest of the physical body. One of the important qualities of CC is the total integration of the senses with the void. Because of this it is a unique style--one of the few or only styles--of sleep where where the unconscious part of the mind actually rests. Because of this unique quality only a couple of hours of sleep a night are required. In advanced yogis they may not even need to leave their meditative posture. Since integration of the senses with pure consciousness is complete in CC, one retains complete awareness of surroundings during sleep. That is, one would continue to hear sounds and feel sensations, etc. --Siddhi and mahasiddhi: before one attains full realization (mahasiddhi), one will often experience siddhis. In the state of realization, mahasiddhi, when can perform siddhis at will. etc. --- The Sun is bound by the sound of the Sun And the Moon by the Sound of the Moon. He who knows this can can capture the three worlds in an instant. - shiva-svarodaya Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to miss.
On Nov 3, 2005, at 6:49 PM, authfriend wrote: Vaj, you'd be a lot less confused if you just considered MMY's system on its own terms and didn't keep trying to compare it with other systems that may use similar terms to mean very different things with different criteria. No confusion here. I've been very fortunate. There will always be people who just believe what they're told and then defend that. And there will be seekers who don't believe something because someone tells them. They seek the truth. Big picture, little picture--take your pick! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to miss.
On Nov 3, 2005, at 7:46 PM, authfriend wrote: It's mildly interesting to know that different systems put their labels at different stages of the enlightenment process, but it says nothing whatsoever about the relative effectiveness of the systems. That's just it, it's the same label: Mahesh calls it turiyatita also-- it's just that he also translates as Cosmic Consciousness into English. He has also indicated the traditional synonyms, so it is talking of the same state--although he has only ever given the basic features of someone approaching the state (that I've heard). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to miss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 3, 2005, at 7:46 PM, authfriend wrote: It's mildly interesting to know that different systems put their labels at different stages of the enlightenment process, but it says nothing whatsoever about the relative effectiveness of the systems. That's just it, it's the same label: Mahesh calls it turiyatita also-- it's just that he also translates as Cosmic Consciousness into English. He has also indicated the traditional synonyms, so it is talking of the same state--although he has only ever given the basic features of someone approaching the state (that I've heard). Whatis your background with MMY's discussions? I've only had the SCI tape course and the busy-work lectures from the TM centers and the busywork lectures from the TM-Sidhis (8-week in residence) course. It seems to me that MMY has touched upon all the criteria that you mentioned earlier at one point or another... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to miss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometimes it's weird knowing the Enlightened Emperor is wearing no clothes. A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to miss. Funny how you only get as enlightened as you were told to... Judge not, for with what measure you judge so shall you be judged. --Viveka-khyati, grokking the distinction between buddhi and purusha ain't final realization, it's just another beginning. Lol, Buddhi and Purusha within the field of Anatman. You still have to perfect nirodha, total cessation (of breath and mind) This is the early stages of TM. Are Buddhists still on the slow boat to Never Never Land. and integrate the rain of virtues, then, maybe, you'll be ready for CC. Rain of Virtues = Moodmaking (a common Buddhist technique). There's more to it than you mightare capable of believing. How arrogant. If you already know, then please tell me. Ask a question, and someone can answer. How can someone answer a question you do not ask. They might only breathe once or twice a minute. This is often a very difficult process to go through. Can you tell us what that is like? Common experience for me, profound and irrefutable empirical knowledge. In meditation one will be able to easily cease all signs of external breathing for extended periods of time. Why bother trying, just be. It is not something to try for, merely a nice side effect of exiting in the right state. --Superknowledge. When consciousness rests naturally next to the all- ground, the place where all of manifest creation emerges, it's natural to experience superknowledge, knowledge above and beyond what is normally available, even if you spent your entire waking life in devoted book-study. For example, you might gain the entire knowledge of an Ayurvedic physician through extraordinary means. True, but you also might fool yourself into thinking that you gained the entire knowledge of an Ayurvedic physician through extraordinary means. retain such knowledge, a species of photographic memory is necessary--so much so that volumes of pure knowledge can be seamlessly retained and repeated without flaw (or very minimal error). No. Access through the higher Self to the Akashic realm is all that is needed. It is like the internet. I have a computer, but not all the knowledge of the internet is stored on it, yet I have access to a vast database through the connection. There is no need to remember anythingexcept your higher Self (the transcendent) --Sleep. In the state of turiyatita, Cosmic Consciousness, sleep become an epiphenomenon rather than the basic phenomenon important for rest of the physical body. One of the important qualities of CC is the total integration of the senses with the void. Call a spade a spade. Your 'Void' is called the Transcendent by Maharishi. Because of this it is a unique style--one of the few or only styles--of sleep where where the unconscious part of the mind actually rests. Because of this unique quality only a couple of hours of sleep a night are required. In advanced yogis they may not even need to leave their meditative posture. True. Since integration of the senses with pure consciousness is complete in CC, one retains complete awareness of surroundings during sleep. That is, one would continue to hear sounds and feel sensations, etc. Probably not, because one doesn't want to. It is what one wants that occurs. --Siddhi and mahasiddhi: before one attains full realization (mahasiddhi), one will often experience siddhis. In the state of realization, mahasiddhi, when can perform siddhis at will. Probly right OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to miss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 3, 2005, at 7:46 PM, authfriend wrote: It's mildly interesting to know that different systems put their labels at different stages of the enlightenment process, but it says nothing whatsoever about the relative effectiveness of the systems. That's just it, it's the same label: Mahesh calls it turiyatita also-- it's just that he also translates as Cosmic Consciousness into English. He has also indicated the traditional synonyms, so it is talking of the same state--although he has only ever given the basic features of someone approaching the state (that I've heard). Remember that the vast majority of the people he's teaching are householders, not professional seekers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's Cosmic Consciousness seem to miss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 3, 2005, at 8:11 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 3, 2005, at 7:46 PM, authfriend wrote: It's mildly interesting to know that different systems put their labels at different stages of the enlightenment process, but it says nothing whatsoever about the relative effectiveness of the systems. That's just it, it's the same label: Mahesh calls it turiyatita also-- it's just that he also translates as Cosmic Consciousness into English. He has also indicated the traditional synonyms, so it is talking of the same state--although he has only ever given the basic features of someone approaching the state (that I've heard). Whatis your background with MMY's discussions? I've only had the SCI tape course and the busy-work lectures from the TM centers and the busywork lectures from the TM-Sidhis (8-week in residence) course. It seems to me that MMY has touched upon all the criteria that you mentioned earlier at one point or another... I'll leave that topic for the diehard M. fans to chew on. Hmmm, so you won't answer the question... He's like Bush. He doesn't need to explain himself. Didn't you know? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
