[FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits and outlandish schemes.

2005-08-03 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pibssmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think that MMY knows these outlandish schemes wont get achieved  
 time after time year after year , but in effect it is some technique 
 for his true believer type die hard followers. I am not one and get 
 angry when these relative goals dont occur and dont really want to 
 be a part to this cult anymore that follows a master no matter what 
 he says whether it happens on the relative plane or not but I have 
 to belive he knows what he is doing and it gets his followers to 
 know his wishes and to strive for them as goals. If not then he 
 would be so angry at everything we had not done or achieved by now 
 he would have shut us down a long time ago way before England. 
 Hopefully someone tells him we dont even have 500 in the domes 
 period no less to fly and 2,000 to live in Vedic City is our Ru 
 population or not even with everyone doing other techniques etc and 
 we are not leaving our mortgage homes for some prefab structure. It 
 will be great for renters. So I think he gives the weak followers 
 who cant think for themselves these projects so that they have some 
 path and for the rest of us who can think for ourselves we dont need 
 that master thing.

Doesn't it strike you that Maharishi is only interested in 
dealing with people who DO need that master thing?

TM is really only being taught in schools where he can
control the indoctrination of students over a period of
years.  Teachers who show any indication of being 
independent are declared non-teachers.  It's an obvious
consolidation of the organization to eliminate anyone 
who *doesn't* need the master thing, and consider him
the master.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits and outlandish schemes.

2005-08-03 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pibssmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  I think that MMY knows these outlandish schemes wont get 
achieved  
  time after time year after year , but in effect it is some 
technique 
  for his true believer type die hard followers. I am not one and 
get 
  angry when these relative goals dont occur and dont really want 
to 
  be a part to this cult anymore that follows a master no matter 
what 
  he says whether it happens on the relative plane or not but I 
have 
  to belive he knows what he is doing and it gets his followers to 
  know his wishes and to strive for them as goals. If not then he 
  would be so angry at everything we had not done or achieved by 
now 
  he would have shut us down a long time ago way before England. 
  Hopefully someone tells him we dont even have 500 in the domes 
  period no less to fly and 2,000 to live in Vedic City is our Ru 
  population or not even with everyone doing other techniques etc 
and 
  we are not leaving our mortgage homes for some prefab structure. 
It 
  will be great for renters. So I think he gives the weak followers 
  who cant think for themselves these projects so that they have 
some 
  path and for the rest of us who can think for ourselves we dont 
need 
  that master thing.
 
 Doesn't it strike you that Maharishi is only interested in 
 dealing with people who DO need that master thing?
 
 TM is really only being taught in schools where he can
 control the indoctrination of students over a period of
 years.  Teachers who show any indication of being 
 independent are declared non-teachers.  It's an obvious
 consolidation of the organization to eliminate anyone 
 who *doesn't* need the master thing, and consider him
 the master.

To a certain extentthis may be true (I've said as much saying that 
MMY is creating a hardcore group that will follow King Tony after MMY 
dies). However, there are reasonably (as far as I can tell) 
independent schools and whatnot that still associate with the TMO 
without the requirement of crowns and so on.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits and outlandish schemes.

2005-08-03 Thread pibssmith
yes I do agree and it is not for me

I love living in Fairfield because we have been here so long and 
have so many friends here and it is small town living at its finest 
very easy. You give up amenties but they are close by if you need 
them. Not like some cities but enough to get by  it is very sweet 
but the whole TMO thing makes me feel so jailed in this town. I try 
to just stay away from it . I am sure in some big city I would feel 
jailed by traffic or something else. I do feel very safe here which 
goes a long way these days , but yes I think it has always been this 
way the weak are around MMY. They may be brillant but they cant 
think for themselves at all and are happy to blindly follow a 
master. Does he take advantage of that probably why would he want to 
waste his energy going up against all the non believers.
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pibssmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  I think that MMY knows these outlandish schemes wont get 
achieved  
  time after time year after year , but in effect it is some 
technique 
  for his true believer type die hard followers. I am not one and 
get 
  angry when these relative goals dont occur and dont really want 
to 
  be a part to this cult anymore that follows a master no matter 
what 
  he says whether it happens on the relative plane or not but I 
have 
  to belive he knows what he is doing and it gets his followers to 
  know his wishes and to strive for them as goals. If not then he 
  would be so angry at everything we had not done or achieved by 
now 
  he would have shut us down a long time ago way before England. 
  Hopefully someone tells him we dont even have 500 in the domes 
  period no less to fly and 2,000 to live in Vedic City is our Ru 
  population or not even with everyone doing other techniques etc 
and 
  we are not leaving our mortgage homes for some prefab structure. 
It 
  will be great for renters. So I think he gives the weak 
followers 
  who cant think for themselves these projects so that they have 
some 
  path and for the rest of us who can think for ourselves we dont 
need 
  that master thing.
 
 Doesn't it strike you that Maharishi is only interested in 
 dealing with people who DO need that master thing?
 
 TM is really only being taught in schools where he can
 control the indoctrination of students over a period of
 years.  Teachers who show any indication of being 
 independent are declared non-teachers.  It's an obvious
 consolidation of the organization to eliminate anyone 
 who *doesn't* need the master thing, and consider him
 the master.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits and outlandish schemes.

2005-08-03 Thread pibssmith
Well I will change it to those who want to follow a master and not 
think for themselves at all.

@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pibssmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   I think that MMY knows these outlandish schemes wont get 
 achieved  
   time after time year after year , but in effect it is some 
 technique 
   for his true believer type die hard followers. I am not one 
and 
 get 
   angry when these relative goals dont occur and dont really 
want 
 to 
   be a part to this cult anymore that follows a master no matter 
 what 
   he says whether it happens on the relative plane or not but I 
 have 
   to belive he knows what he is doing and it gets his followers 
to 
   know his wishes and to strive for them as goals. If not then 
he 
   would be so angry at everything we had not done or achieved by 
 now 
   he would have shut us down a long time ago way before England. 
   Hopefully someone tells him we dont even have 500 in the domes 
   period no less to fly and 2,000 to live in Vedic City is our 
Ru 
   population or not even with everyone doing other techniques 
etc 
 and 
   we are not leaving our mortgage homes for some prefab 
structure. 
 It 
   will be great for renters. So I think he gives the weak 
followers 
   who cant think for themselves these projects so that they have 
 some 
   path and for the rest of us who can think for ourselves we 
dont 
 need 
   that master thing.
  
  Doesn't it strike you that Maharishi is only interested in 
  dealing with people who DO need that master thing?
  
  TM is really only being taught in schools where he can
  control the indoctrination of students over a period of
  years.  Teachers who show any indication of being 
  independent are declared non-teachers.  It's an obvious
  consolidation of the organization to eliminate anyone 
  who *doesn't* need the master thing, and consider him
  the master.
 
 To a certain extentthis may be true (I've said as much saying that 
 MMY is creating a hardcore group that will follow King Tony after 
MMY 
 dies). However, there are reasonably (as far as I can tell) 
 independent schools and whatnot that still associate with the TMO 
 without the requirement of crowns and so on.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits and outlandish schemes.

2005-08-03 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pibssmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 yes I do agree and it is not for me
 
 I love living in Fairfield because we have been here so long and 
 have so many friends here and it is small town living at its 
finest 
 very easy. You give up amenties but they are close by if you need 
 them. Not like some cities but enough to get by  it is very sweet 
 but the whole TMO thing makes me feel so jailed in this town. I 
try 
 to just stay away from it . I am sure in some big city I would 
feel 
 jailed by traffic or something else. I do feel very safe here 
which 
 goes a long way these days , but yes I think it has always been 
this 
 way the weak are around MMY. They may be brillant but they cant 
 think for themselves at all and are happy to blindly follow a 
 master. Does he take advantage of that probably why would he want 
to 
 waste his energy going up against all the non believers.

Pibs,

I enjoy your posts, but do you have something against *paragraphs*.

lurk




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits and outlandish schemes.

2005-08-02 Thread pibssmith
I think that MMY knows these outlandish schemes wont get achieved  
time after time year after year , but in effect it is some technique 
for his true believer type die hard followers. I am not one and get 
angry when these relative goals dont occur and dont really want to 
be a part to this cult anymore that follows a master no matter what 
he says whether it happens on the relative plane or not but I have 
to belive he knows what he is doing and it gets his followers to 
know his wishes and to strive for them as goals. If not then he 
would be so angry at everything we had not done or achieved by now 
he would have shut us down a long time ago way before England. 
Hopefully someone tells him we dont even have 500 in the domes 
period no less to fly and 2,000 to live in Vedic City is our Ru 
population or not even with everyone doing other techniques etc and 
we are not leaving our mortgage homes for some prefab structure. It 
will be great for renters. So I think he gives the weak followers 
who cant think for themselves these projects so that they have some 
path and for the rest of us who can think for ourselves we dont need 
that master thing.
 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
   So the Pillow Talk with the Great Man consisted of him bashing 
   everyone who was willing to work for him because they were so 
   gullible?
   
   Sounds to me like there's another gullible person posting in 
this 
   exchange...
 
  Here's Rick's question and the answer to it, in two short
  posts.  Gullibility is having made the decision to believe
  someone, and believe in someone, no matter what.  It
  renders one incapable of even hearing something other
  than what the authority has said.  Does Maharishi play
  with this, knowing that his followers have lost their ability
  to discriminate?  Well, duh.
  
 
 I can't address whether or not MMY said these things or whether or 
not he was having sex 
 with the woman, but I CAN suggest that it would be rather odd to 
have sex with a guru-
 worshiper and inform her that he didn't respect the guru-
worshipers...
 
 
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
Some here have wondered about Maharishi1s motives in 
fostering his
increasingly bizarre schemes. Tallest buildings, rajas, etc. 
Some 
   say he1s
upping the weirdness ante in order to motivate people to 
leave and 
   think for
themselves. Others say his vision is far ahead of the rest 
of the 
   world and
he1s establishing the foundation of an enlightened society. 
Here1s 
   another
theory. When Jennifer was in M1s room late at night in 
Mallorca 
   (for reasons
we need not re-hash) she said he often derided the 
Westerners as 
   gullible
fools for believing all the things he was telling them 
(hence, our 
   dear,
already-enlightened co-moderator1s handle). Perhaps, like a 
   playground
bully, he has a cynical streak that causes him to derive 
pleasure 
   from
making fools out of people. Perhaps, as with any addiction, 
he has 
   had to
keep increasing the weirdness ante in order to continue 
gratifying 
   this
streak. If there is any truth to this theory, I wouldn1t 
assume 
   this was his
only motivation. He1s a master at incorporating paradoxical 
   tendencies. I
would suggest that plenty of altruism is mixed with the 
cynicism.




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