[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch believes Trump could be one of the greatest presidents in

[srijau]

if you read the original interview it does not read much like the FoxNews 
slanted version nor the yahoo clickbait.

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Foundation Jamaica

[upfron...@ymail.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks, quite simply there needs to be an understanding given for those who 
cannot swallow the whole package of the old school dogma because of their own 
spiritual make-up, an avenue that brings to them this simple healing power 
through TM and yet allows their spirit to be free to follow the degree of 
living Truth within which they have released, and yet not have to feel tied 
down to any particular philosophical or theoretical add-on associated with TM. 
  
 Not that there is not great value in theoretical aspects of the 
Self-realisation side of Vedic philosophy. However, in my opinion, certain 
other aspects which may be considered essential truth and inseparable from TM 
by those holding the reins of power in promoting TM, are not acceptable by some 
because for them there is a greater Truth, and for others they know within that 
there is a greater Truth but they just haven't found it yet.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 LOOK THIS GREAT CLIP  >>>

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Physician and Certified Teacher of the TM Program ...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch is a Karmic Superhero

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

You are either a deliberate fool or an unintentional fool. 

If his movies are such great art, and since he claims his practice of TM gave 
him the creativity to make the movies, why then has the Movement NEVER 
sponsored a showing of his best films? 

Why has MUM NEVER sponsored an on campus David Lynch movie marathon of 
Eraserhead, Blue Velvet and Twin Peaks? 

Because they are too negative by Movement standards, that's why.

The Movement is willing to make money off the sicko jackass, but they won't 
show his films. And he lets them make money off him, even tho they diss his 
creations. What a screwed up bunch of whack-os!

  From: "sri...@ymail.com" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 8:57 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch is a Karmic Superhero
   
    read the Brothers Grimm sometime, they are children's stories and they are 
more violent than David's work, someone here has no concept of art or are just 
another hater who loves to hate and resent anyone successful and doing good.  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch is a Karmic Superhero

[srijau]

read the Brothers Grimm sometime, they are children's stories and they are more 
violent than David's work, someone here has no concept of art or are just 
another hater who loves to hate and resent anyone successful and doing good.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch leaves "Twin Peaks" reboot

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Especially you

  From: "sri...@ymail.com" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 3:06 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch leaves "Twin Peaks" reboot
   
    anyone with a small amount of either honesty or intelligence can tell that 
this 'Bhairithu" can't relate a very straight forward news story that is 
obviously referring to production costs and not David Lynch's compensation, 
from this anyone who does not already should know not to rely on anything he 
says. Like most people posting here.  #yiv0087481996 #yiv0087481996 -- 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch leaves "Twin Peaks" reboot

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

It has already been established that there are a number of dishonest informants 
on this forum. They use not only threats in order to win debates, they even 
resort to other tactics like shunning, guilt by association and character 
assassination - typical cult behavior found on most internet discussion groups. 
Judy said they were liars and she didn't use that word lightly. Where is Judy 
when we need her? Go figure.

 The problem for Barry is that he finds it very difficult to admit failure - he 
always thinks he won the debate. But in reality he sucks as a debater. I mean, 
if a disputant has to resort to calling the cops to bust up the discussion, 
that pretty much indicates that he has failed in the debating. LoL!

Nobody should take seriously anything they read on this forum - it's just their 
opinion - not one single informant in this group is a TMO insider - they almost 
all got kicked out or banned and are just plain JELLOS of anyone who found 
success with TM. It's not complicated.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 anyone with a small amount of either honesty or intelligence can tell that 
this 'Bhairithu" can't relate a very straight forward news story that is 
obviously referring to production costs and not David Lynch's compensation, 
from this anyone who does not already should know not to rely on anything he 
says. Like most people posting here.

  

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch leaves "Twin Peaks" reboot

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Since we do not have access to the information Lynch desired in the contract, 
we really do not know what the costs would have been. Obviously good writing is 
required, but we do not know how much Lynch wanted for himself for creative 
control, because he was to be the director as well as the general inspiration, 
and how much aside from writing and directing, and actors' salaries would be 
needed to produce it. 

 Also being associated with TM has certain potential liabilities, particularly 
when what you create is on the dark side of human nature, and Twin Peaks is 
essentially a story where 'good' does not have the upper hand.
 

 Who owns the rights to the story and characters? I don't know this. I 
certainly think other writers exist who could take it on and even outdo Lynch, 
and they already had some of the original cast on board, those characters (and 
actors) still living.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 anyone with a small amount of either honesty or intelligence can tell that 
this 'Bhairithu" can't relate a very straight forward news story that is 
obviously referring to production costs and not David Lynch's compensation, 
from this anyone who does not already should know not to rely on anything he 
says. Like most people posting here.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch leaves "Twin Peaks" reboot

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Really?  I already commented on the changing times in TV production.  
Perhaps you ought to read the thread.


On 04/06/2015 12:06 PM, sri...@ymail.com wrote:


anyone with a small amount of either honesty or intelligence can tell 
that this 'Bhairithu" can't relate a very straight forward news story 
that is obviously referring to production costs and not David Lynch's 
compensation, from this anyone who does not already should know not to 
rely on anything he says. Like most people posting here.

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch leaves "Twin Peaks" reboot

[srijau]

anyone with a small amount of either honesty or intelligence can tell that this 
'Bhairithu" can't relate a very straight forward news story that is obviously 
referring to production costs and not David Lynch's compensation, from this 
anyone who does not already should know not to rely on anything he says. Like 
most people posting here.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

the TMO money laundering and smuggling, etc.

>
On 10/12/2014 2:49 AM, blue_bungalo...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Young pundits and anybody from TMO, returning to india, each
person would be given particular quantity (legal) of gold.
As soon as the plane lands in india, TMO henchmen would be
waiting there to collect the gold, load the pundits on to
the waiting van, and off they go.

>
/So, how much money did you get //from the TMO? We already know that one 
FFL informant lived at a TM Center for five years and another FFL 
reporter got a free pod for two years at MIU./

>


So much gold was brought in, that they decided to make
jewellery and sell the gold. The TMO's finances are so murky
the you would never have the clear idea what happened to all
the money.

>
/Non sequitur. It has already been established that nobody knows the 
extent of TMO finances. What we want to know is what happened to all the 
money you got from the TMO./

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[blue_bungalo...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---  wrote :

 Yeah, of course you can find MANY who would be part of arranging a false flag 
for 9-11.

What a bunch of blinkered fools we are.  Let's open our scrunched-up eyes a 
crack and admit one thing:  the authorities of the world will do cruelty in any 
form upon anyone no matter the legal framework.

Your local cop IS A MOTHERFUCKING KILLER wishing for his moment to totally ruin 
someone's life.

And if he isn't, then he's an enabler of a fellow cop who is a sociopathand 
that is just AS BAD.  

Case in point:  I know of an 2007 incident in sleepy little-town FAIRFIELD in 
which a cop TORTURED A ROO for over 12 hours in the presence of the other 
officers.  Not a headline.  (Don't ask for details -- can't out a Roo who 
doesn't want more of the same if he's seen bitching about it in public.  No 
charges, let the guy go the next day.)

But see?  This is the heart of darkness within ALL OF US in Kali Yuga.  Even 
our heroes will be found to be  tilted in this age.  

Even the good guys...consider how the TMO did all it could to subvert the 
legal requirements during the murder at MUM.   Those were "saints," right?  
Even inside them was the "I get to do whatever shit I want to" dynamic.  
Consider Ed Beckeley, Dr. Bloomfield, the commodities groups, the TMO money 
laundering and smuggling, etc.  

Young pundits and anybody from TMO, returning to india, each 
person would be given particular quantity (legal) of gold. 
As soon as the plane lands in india, TMO henchmen would be 
waiting there to collect the gold, load the pundits on to 
the waiting van, and off they go.

So much gold was brought in, that they decided to make 
jewellery and sell the gold. The TMO's finances are so murky 
the you would never have the clear idea what happened to all 
the money.



I have been to 17 countries and saw the same shit everywhere.  Give someone a 
gun and they're looking for "game" cuz they're on safari, donchaknow.  

To sum:  how many good Americans would be willing to put a tactical nuke inside 
a 9-11 tower?  Almost any cop, any soldier.   Deal with this fact.  It's the 
truth.  Krishna took sattva with Him 5,000 years ago. There's no Arjuna out 
there wearing a badge of honor and integrity.  


 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[blue_bungalo...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

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 ---  mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Image if your local police department reported a murder as "someone shot the 
person.  Case closed"  That's almost what the 9-11 official story is like.
 
 You would have been well advised not to use "RationalWiki" which skeptics 
don't even like.  Those of us who think there is something more to a case than 
reported don't call ourselves "conspiracy theorists."  That term has come about 
and used by PSYOPS to discredit us since the JFK assassination which I don't 
think Oswald had anything to do with because he had a cheap gun and was seen in 
the lunch room at the book depository when the assassination took place.  He 
was a convenience patsy due to his activities.  If Ruby had not shot him it 
might have come out that he got framed.
 

 Jeez, everyone knows Elvis shot JFK. It's hardly news.
 
 Anyone on the right track to solving these crimes who has any visibility such 
as a news reporter often gets offed or suicided.  Some of the "nutty stuff" you 
will find in "conspiracy theorist" are PSYOPS trying to "poison the well" lest 
the truth be known.  Just think if we could prove beyond a doubt that 9-11 was 
indeed an inside job and who the perps were how confidence in our government 
would fall, not that it isn't anyway.  And we have long had little confidence 
in our corporations and banks which these days run like gang operations.
 

 After reading the articles Barry posted I was going to write something about 
how conspiracy theories are probably created by the government to distract 
everyone from what a crap job they actually do at running the country. Be nice 
to think there was someone in power who could organise a job that big, we can't 
even make a computer system to link up health districts without the ministry 
going bankrupt and abandoning it. 
 
 The USA is a very dirty place.  It was that way from it's inception because 
some of the wealthy landowners didn't want their workers to have rights and 
some wanted the US to still be beholding to Britain.  Our democracy is an 
illusion and the king makers hate anyone who points that out.  A lot more 
people would have probably taken to the streets during the Occupy Movement but 
they feared losing their jobs.  We live in a country of increasing "have nots", 
people who have lost even their simple pleasures of life because a plan to put 
all but a few in austerity.
 
 So many detractors here seem to have little knowledge of history and just 
react emotionally.  I guess some folks want to live in a simple world of Santy 
Claus and Easter Bunnies.
 
 Both of which are inventions, just like the conspiracies.
 
 
 What worries is me that you have such a disconnect from the people that run 
the US that you actually think they would murder thousands of their own people 
for reasons best known to themselves. 


 
 Whoa, Jack! You're half reading me.  I'm not alleging that our politicians 
conspired to pull off 9-11.  It's a shadow government that many people in the 
US believe exists (and probably many folks in the UK believe about your own 
government).  Killing thousands would rile up Americans (and believe me the 
days following they were insanely riled) to support anything the  government 
asked if it involved retaliation.  So Arab terrorists did 9-11 and we go off 
and bomb Afghanistan and Iraq.  Shouldn't we have bombed Saudi Arabia instead?  
Something wrong with that picture?
 
 BTW, for some reason a lot of people who worked at the WTC were told to stay 
home that day.
 
 There's a kind of movement like that in the UK about the Islamic terrorist 
that blew up some tube trains a decade ago. The story goes that the government 
knew about it but let it happen because it would be an excuse to rachet up the 
anti-terror laws, which completely coincidentally can also be used to harass 
innocent people whenever the state feels like it.





 
 The UK subway bombings indeed smell of a false flag.  These types of 
operations have been around for centuries but I guess that history wasn't your 
favorite subject?
 
 
 
 I don't believe it for the simple fact that however cynical politicians get 
it's their own friends and family that might get blown up. You don't seem to 
have that sort of human link, sure the govt in the US has blood on its hands 
but the 9/11 conspiracies are qualitatively different from interfering in the 
politics of left wing countries or suppressing anti-capitalist demonstrations. 
It isn't a quantitative thing at all.





 
 See my above comment.
 
 
 
 I think it's the conspiracists that react emotionally, something unbelievable 
happens and the dots get joined up irrationally, anything to make it make sense 
that doesn't just mean the world is so dangerous a bunch of religious 
fruitcakes can wal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It was a joke, Ann. 
 

 Good joke. I can see it now. Meditator under bright lights. Cop in his face, 
pointing, gesturing demanding to know the holy word. The meditator pursing his 
lips closed and shaking his head vigorously. The cop threatens to feed him 
Iowa-raised pork. Meditator near hysterical, calling for mercy. You know the 
drill. Good story.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The cop was trying to get the TMer to tell him his mantra. 
 

 Wow, good for the TMer. I mean, one's mantra is hardly worthy of 12 hours of 
"torture" but if it was me I would have resisted just because someone was 
pressing me so hard, not necessarily because I felt saying my mantra out loud 
was so terribly verboten. But any asshole willing to "torture" an MIU student 
over such a thing needs his head examined. I mean, why would the cop want to 
know someone else's mantra? He didn't; he was just a masochistic bastard if Edg 
and Feste are to be believed.
 

 
 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[feste37]

It was a joke, Ann. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The cop was trying to get the TMer to tell him his mantra. 
 

 Wow, good for the TMer. I mean, one's mantra is hardly worthy of 12 hours of 
"torture" but if it was me I would have resisted just because someone was 
pressing me so hard, not necessarily because I felt saying my mantra out loud 
was so terribly verboten. But any asshole willing to "torture" an MIU student 
over such a thing needs his head examined. I mean, why would the cop want to 
know someone else's mantra? He didn't; he was just a masochistic bastard if Edg 
and Feste are to be believed.
 

 
 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Michael, you are cuckoo. 

 Give you brain a rest.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That's a powerful statement - wonder how long it'll take Share, Steve and 
Feste to say no such cop/TMer incident happened?

 

 From: Duveyoung 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 5:03 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11
 
 
   Yeah, of course you can find MANY who would be part of arranging a false 
flag for 9-11.

What a bunch of blinkered fools we are.  Let's open our scrunched-up eyes a 
crack and admit one thing:  the authorities of the world will do cruelty in any 
form upon anyone no matter the legal framework.

Your local cop IS A MOTHERFUCKING KILLER wishing for his moment to totally ruin 
someone's life.

And if he isn't, then he's an enabler of a fellow cop who is a sociopathand 
that is just AS BAD.  

Case in point:  I know of an 2007 incident in sleepy little-town FAIRFIELD in 
which a cop TORTURED A ROO for over 12 hours in the presence of the other 
officers.  Not a headline.  (Don't ask for details -- can't out a Roo who 
doesn't want more of the same if he's seen bitching about it in public.  No 
charges, let the guy go the next day.)

But see?  This is the heart of darkness within ALL OF US in Kali Yuga.  Even 
our heroes will be found to be  tilted in this age.  

Even the good guys...consider how the TMO did all it could to subvert the 
legal requirements during the murder at MUM.   Those were "saints," right?  
Even inside them was the "I get to do whatever shit I want to" dynamic.  
Consider Ed Beckeley, Dr. Bloomfield, the commodities groups, the TMO money 
laundering and smuggling, etc.  

I have been to 17 countries and saw the same shit everywhere.  Give someone a 
gun and they're looking for "game" cuz they're on safari, donchaknow.  

To sum:  how many good Americans would be willing to put a tactical nuke inside 
a 9-11 tower?  Almost any cop, any soldier.   Deal with this fact.  It's the 
truth.  Krishna took sattva with Him 5,000 years ago. There's no Arjuna out 
there wearing a badge of honor and integrity.  



 

 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The cop was trying to get the TMer to tell him his mantra. 
 

 Wow, good for the TMer. I mean, one's mantra is hardly worthy of 12 hours of 
"torture" but if it was me I would have resisted just because someone was 
pressing me so hard, not necessarily because I felt saying my mantra out loud 
was so terribly verboten. But any asshole willing to "torture" an MIU student 
over such a thing needs his head examined. I mean, why would the cop want to 
know someone else's mantra? He didn't; he was just a masochistic bastard if Edg 
and Feste are to be believed.
 

 
 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[feste37]

The cop was trying to get the TMer to tell him his mantra. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That's a powerful statement - wonder how long it'll take Share, Steve and 
Feste to say no such cop/TMer incident happened?

 

 From: Duveyoung 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 5:03 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11
 
 
   Yeah, of course you can find MANY who would be part of arranging a false 
flag for 9-11.

What a bunch of blinkered fools we are.  Let's open our scrunched-up eyes a 
crack and admit one thing:  the authorities of the world will do cruelty in any 
form upon anyone no matter the legal framework.

Your local cop IS A MOTHERFUCKING KILLER wishing for his moment to totally ruin 
someone's life.

And if he isn't, then he's an enabler of a fellow cop who is a sociopathand 
that is just AS BAD.  

Case in point:  I know of an 2007 incident in sleepy little-town FAIRFIELD in 
which a cop TORTURED A ROO for over 12 hours in the presence of the other 
officers.  Not a headline.  (Don't ask for details -- can't out a Roo who 
doesn't want more of the same if he's seen bitching about it in public.  No 
charges, let the guy go the next day.)

But see?  This is the heart of darkness within ALL OF US in Kali Yuga.  Even 
our heroes will be found to be  tilted in this age.  

Even the good guys...consider how the TMO did all it could to subvert the 
legal requirements during the murder at MUM.   Those were "saints," right?  
Even inside them was the "I get to do whatever shit I want to" dynamic.  
Consider Ed Beckeley, Dr. Bloomfield, the commodities groups, the TMO money 
laundering and smuggling, etc.  

I have been to 17 countries and saw the same shit everywhere.  Give someone a 
gun and they're looking for "game" cuz they're on safari, donchaknow.  

To sum:  how many good Americans would be willing to put a tactical nuke inside 
a 9-11 tower?  Almost any cop, any soldier.   Deal with this fact.  It's the 
truth.  Krishna took sattva with Him 5,000 years ago. There's no Arjuna out 
there wearing a badge of honor and integrity.  



 

 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

That's a powerful statement - wonder how long it'll take Share, Steve and Feste 
to say no such cop/TMer incident happened?




 From: Duveyoung 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 5:03 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11
 


  
Yeah, of course you can find MANY who would be part of arranging a false flag 
for 9-11.

What a bunch of blinkered fools we are.  Let's open our scrunched-up eyes a 
crack and admit one thing:  the authorities of the world will do cruelty in any 
form upon anyone no matter the legal framework.

Your local cop IS A MOTHERFUCKING KILLER wishing for his moment to totally ruin 
someone's life.

And if he isn't, then he's an enabler of a fellow cop who is a sociopathand 
that is just AS BAD.  

Case in point:  I know of an 2007 incident in sleepy little-town FAIRFIELD in 
which a cop TORTURED A ROO for over 12 hours in the presence of the other 
officers.  Not a headline.  (Don't ask for details -- can't out a Roo who 
doesn't want more of the same if he's seen bitching about it in public.  No 
charges, let the guy go the next day.)

But see?  This is the heart of darkness within ALL OF US in Kali Yuga.  Even 
our heroes will be found to be  tilted in this age.  

Even the good guys...consider how the TMO did all it could to subvert the 
legal requirements during the murder at MUM.   Those were "saints," right?  
Even inside them was the "I get to do whatever shit I want to" dynamic.  
Consider Ed Beckeley, Dr. Bloomfield, the commodities groups, the TMO money 
laundering and smuggling, etc.  

I have been to 17 countries and saw the same shit everywhere.  Give someone a 
gun and they're looking for "game" cuz they're on safari, donchaknow.  

To sum:  how many good Americans would be willing to put a tactical nuke inside 
a 9-11 tower?  Almost any cop, any soldier.   Deal with this fact.  It's the 
truth.  Krishna took sattva with Him 5,000 years ago. There's no Arjuna out 
there wearing a badge of honor and integrity.  



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

The first thing I saw in your points from RationalWiki were Bill Maher 
and Michael Shermer taken as credible.  Maher is a comedian and actually 
thinks "truthers" is blaming the government for 9-11 which shows how 
little he knows about "truthers".  I say the same about Rachel Maddow 
who mocks Alex Jones when it is obviously she has never listened to him 
(one of her interns probably found a few clips that would piss her off 
to show her).  She might be shocked to find she agrees on some stuff 
that is on Infowars.


Michael Shermer has long been known to be a PSYOP and well poisoner.  
You might as well quote Hearst owned "Popular Mechanics", a bastion of 
yellow journalism.  Maybe you can find some articles in Reader's Digest 
as well.


Before I wasted any time with those points I made the effort to look up 
RationalWiki and it's reputation.  There are a number of blog articles 
and opinion pieces by skeptics who think it is a joke.  They'll dig up 
anything negative to say about anything.  Do they have some anti-TM 
articles as well?  Probably anti-Mindfulness pieces as well.


Note please that I post my own opinions and if I make references don't 
demand that people go read them.  I do have other things to do.  You can 
look up my past references to 9-11 and debates here going back years.  
Even Rick questioned WTC 7.


I just think that some folks feel really uncomfortable waking up to the 
idea that they might be living in the "Fourth Reich" or something like it.


The Earth is round BTW.  Well not really, it bulges some places. :-D

On 10/11/2014 01:45 PM, seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Snoozguru (is that Bhairitu?) said:  You would have been well advised 
not to use "RationalWiki" which skeptics don't even like.


SD:  I am not relying on RationalWiki as an authority. However, it 
provides some credible counter arguments to some 9/11 points that you 
(and others, such as O'keefe in related video) have raised. I don't 
find all the points raised in the 9/11 section of RationalWiki 
particular relevant or well considered.  The same points that I drew 
upon are found from a number of alternative sources. RationalWiki 
simply compiled otherwise existing information is a convenient format 
(for me).


I hope you will address (at least some) of the  specific counter 
points that I listed. I hope you will not not blanketly  discredit or 
disregard the counterpoints because you are not a fan of the site 
that compiled them from many other sources.


I do not have a rigid stance on many 911 issues and am not trying to 
win any sort of debate. You raised some interesting points. Upon 
research I found,further information that, until refuted or 
discredited, appears to counter some of your your points.  Not the 
end of the story in my view. Successive exchanges of points and 
rational counterpoints is at least one means to get further towards 
the bottom of things.



Snoozeguru: Those of us who think there is something more to a case 
than reported don't call ourselves "conspiracy theorists."


SD: I don't like the term "conspiracy theorist either as I outline in 
a prior post this morning. I was responding to Turq's (to me useful) 
articles -- but pointing out the pitfalls of terms stemming from 
"conspiracy".

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Spot  on, Edg.  It's amazing how many people who haven't been abroad or 
worked in government just buy the propaganda.  I guess history wasn't 
their favorite subject. Ask some of the young kids who got shot up in 
Afghanistan or Iraq why they joined the military?  They'll tell you it 
was the only job they could get.


On 10/11/2014 02:03 PM, Duveyoung wrote:


Yeah, of course you can find MANY who would be part of arranging a 
false flag for 9-11.


What a bunch of blinkered fools we are.  Let's open our scrunched-up 
eyes a crack and admit one thing:  the authorities of the world will 
do cruelty in any form upon anyone no matter the legal framework.


Your local cop IS A MOTHERFUCKING KILLER wishing for his moment to 
totally ruin someone's life.


And if he isn't, then he's an enabler of a fellow cop who is a 
sociopathand that is just AS BAD.


Case in point:  I know of an 2007 incident in sleepy little-town 
FAIRFIELD in which a cop TORTURED A ROO for over 12 hours in the 
presence of the other officers.  Not a headline.  (Don't ask for 
details -- can't out a Roo who doesn't want more of the same if he's 
seen bitching about it in public.  No charges, let the guy go the next 
day.)


But see?  This is the heart of darkness within ALL OF US in Kali Yuga. 
 Even our heroes will be found to be  tilted in this age.


Even the good guys...consider how the TMO did all it could to 
subvert the legal requirements during the murder at MUM.   Those were 
"saints," right?  Even inside them was the "I get to do whatever shit 
I want to" dynamic.  Consider Ed Beckeley, Dr. Bloomfield, the 
commodities groups, the TMO money laundering and smuggling, etc.


I have been to 17 countries and saw the same shit everywhere.  Give 
someone a gun and they're looking for "game" cuz they're on safari, 
donchaknow.


To sum:  how many good Americans would be willing to put a tactical 
nuke inside a 9-11 tower?  Almost any cop, any soldier.   Deal with 
this fact.  It's the truth.  Krishna took sattva with Him 5,000 years 
ago. There's no Arjuna out there wearing a badge of honor and integrity.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

On 10/11/2014 01:56 PM, salyavin808 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

On 10/11/2014 12:20 PM, salyavin808 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :


What worries is me that you have such a disconnect from the
people that run the US that you actually think they would murder
thousands of their own people for reasons best known to themselves.


Whoa, Jack! You're half reading me.  I'm not alleging that our
politicians conspired to pull off 9-11.  It's a shadow government
that many people in the US believe exists (and probably many folks
in the UK believe about your own government). Killing thousands
would rile up Americans (and believe me the days following they
were insanely riled) to support anything the  government asked if
it involved retaliation.  So Arab terrorists did 9-11 and we go
off and bomb Afghanistan and Iraq.  Shouldn't we have bombed Saudi
Arabia instead?  Something wrong with that picture?

But the hijackers weren't working for the Saudi government. 



You know this how?  Supposedly the 28 pages redacted from the Official 
911 Report say otherwise.  Some members of Congress who have read those 
pages want them released to the public.



The organisers lived in Afghanistan and we just knocked off Iraq
for the hell of it. Been after an excuse for years.



Yup, Rumsfeld even has been quoted as asking if there was a way to tie 
Saddam to 9-11.  But then I've mentioned I heard in the late 1990s the 
military was preparing for a war in the middle east.  They just needed a 
"new Pearl Harbor" even if they did it themselves.


For the record I opposed wars of empire as any sane thinking American 
should.





BTW, for some reason a lot of people who worked at the WTC were
told to stay home that day.


There's a kind of movement like that in the UK about the Islamic
terrorist that blew up some tube trains a decade ago. The story
goes that the government knew about it but let it happen because
it would be an excuse to rachet up the anti-terror laws, which
completely coincidentally can also be used to harass innocent
people whenever the state feels like it.


The UK subway bombings indeed smell of a false flag.  These types
of operations have been around for centuries but I guess that
history wasn't your favorite subject?

I think you've lost it. Can you tell fact from fiction any more?
Too much TV perhaps, it's hard to tell sometimes, except the news
doesn't have happy endings.



Why couldn't it have been a false flag?  I bet you swallowed the 
propaganda hook line and sinker.




I don't believe it for the simple fact that however cynical
politicians get it's their own friends and family that might get
blown up. You don't seem to have that sort of human link, sure
the govt in the US has blood on its hands but the 9/11
conspiracies are qualitatively different from interfering in the
politics of left wing countries or suppressing anti-capitalist
demonstrations. It isn't a quantitative thing at all.


See my above comment.



I think it's the conspiracists that react emotionally, something
unbelievable happens and the dots get joined up irrationally,
anything to make it make sense that doesn't just mean the world
is so dangerous a bunch of religious fruitcakes can walk onto
planes in America and fly them into public buildings. I'd hate to
live in a country where I thought the government would actually
blow me up as an excuse for starting a war in a third world
country, some of the residents of which had already made some
bold attacks on the US - unless they were conspiracies too.


In the 1960s they wanted to send us young guys off to the rice
paddies of Vietnam to get our asses shot off. Gulf of Tonkin is a
confirmed false flag to gain public support.  The poor Vietnamese
just wanted their country back after centuries of domination by
foreign powers.  Now we do trade with them. Go figger.



Because of the crap you can find on youtube, I know people who
actually think ISIS and Al Queda don't exist at all and were
created so the "west" can clamp down on personal freedom. We
realists know they just used the 9/11 and 7/7 bombings as an
excuse for that.


This history of Al Qaeda is well known from their existence as
Mujahideen and supported by our CIA to fight against the Russians
in Afghanistan.  They've now morphed into ISIS. 


Erm, that's what I've said here many times. It's the conspiracy
theorists who've taken it too far. Not me.



That's history pal.  Look it up!  Or are you afraid to?



 Some of us weren't born yesterday.  BTW, when is it you turn 1? :-D 


I'm guessing this is some derision at challenging ideas yes?





Or jus

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 10/11/2014 4:03 PM, Duveyoung wrote:
Yeah, of course you can find MANY who would be part of arranging a 
false flag for 9-11.

>
"If you don't agree with every single word of this guy's rant, YOU'RE 
FUCKED UP IN THE HEAD."


Duveyoung Wed, 08 Oct 2014 10:02:10 -0700
http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg332298.html

/O'Keefe denied the plausibility that the September 11 attacks were 
committed by Osama bin Laden and the 19 hijackers. He claimed it was an 
inside job and that the US government and intelligence agencies, 
including Mossad were responsible./


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_O%27Keefe

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

seerdope, I agree and ask myself 1 question: if the conspiracy theories are 
true, which I think they are, would I live my life any differently. The answer 
is no. 



On Saturday, October 11, 2014 3:24 PM, "seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 


  
Mac: Very well said. This sentence, "Derision of challenging and troubling 
ideas is a core defense mechanism.", stood out for me. In the face of a modern 
age, with an endless cascade of information, to assimilate, or challenge, it 
becomes an easy out, to draw broad conclusions, either casting too critical an 
eye at unconventional life, or, becoming naively accepting of it. I try to keep 
an open mind, especially for events where I was not present, and must rely on a 
media source for information. 

Mac: Fwiw, in terms of public events, the one that still has me thinking, is 
the JFK killing - Mostly because Oswald was then killed, in a highly secure 
environment (the basement of Dallas Police HQ), by Jack Ruby, who then died on 
the eve of his second trial, four years later, at 55. Perhaps it was exactly 
how the govt. said it was, but too many questions, for my liking.


Seerdope Reply: 

To me the (mythical/hypothetical rational, impartial) jury is still out on the 
JFK assassination. It has so many undisclosed facts, mistruths, destroyed or 
missing data, convenient subsequent "deaths", agenda's build on agendas (on 
many sides of the question), whitewashes, etc. For me, 9/11 has similar 
problems (though I am not equating frameworks or magnitude.)
.
To me other issues such as the undisclosed, hidden full backroom story and 
agendas of how and why the US and others have gotten involved in, instigated, 
and/or prolonged major wars is deeply problematic and troubling (Spanish 
American war, Philippine American war, WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Central America, 
Gulf War, Iraq and Afghanistan, Lybia, ISIS, etc.

Eisenhower's  caution about the military/industrial complex is as valid if not 
more so today than in 1960 when he left office with those words. I would expand 
it to the military/industrial/financial. So much lays beneath the surface that 
should be uncovered.

Other issues, while fairly well documented still need much more to be uncovered 
(and the public to wake up to it) such as   
* "regulatory capture" (when a regulatory agency, created to act in the 
public interest, advances the commercial or special concerns of interest groups 
that dominate the industry or sector it is charged with regulating), 

* the revolving door between government and high paying private sector 
jobs and influence,

* the power and influence of of Investment banks,

* the substantial science supporting global warming and the vast and 
far reaching costs and disruption of its current and unfolding impacts over the 
next century

* agra-business's influence on public (non)nutrition
* AMA and FDA (at times) perverse influence and roadblocks to the 
pursuit of a healthy life
* the obstacles to deep, constructive reform to primary and secondary 
education (including and not limited to teachers unions, text book publishers, 
etc)

* the perverse and cozy healthcare / insurance complex
* Medicare solvency
* advances in brain science in the past 10 years
* concentration of power in governments, corporations and high wealth 
individuals/families
* pervasive influence of cognitive biases and irrational / anti-science 
bias
* growing divergence of income distribution 
There are so many issues that need fuller investigation, disclosure and 
understanding. Given limited time and resources, to me its a question of 
choosing one's battles, identifying which areas of disclosure and changes will 
make a substantive difference. And that is at the cost of less focus on really 
perverse, messed-up, clearly corrupt, black (yet still fascinating and 
intriguing)  events and processes.  

To me, the JFK assassination (as well as Kennedy's and brothers' at least in 
part questionable behind the scenes actions and  agendas) are fascinating -- 
having lived through that era and through the implications of those events -- 
and clearly somethings are still quite rotten and smelly. 

However, will getting to the bottom of that provide as much fuel for positive 
change and reform as, for example, helping to provide greater insight into, and 
actions to help mitigate and adapt to, the vast tsunami of disruption that 
global climate change that is unfolding?   

Or does real change really begin (and end) with individual change.  Is that the 
more effective pursuit  -- even if it means foregoing worthy public inquiry 
outlined above?
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[Duveyoung]

Yeah, of course you can find MANY who would be part of arranging a false flag 
for 9-11.

What a bunch of blinkered fools we are.  Let's open our scrunched-up eyes a 
crack and admit one thing:  the authorities of the world will do cruelty in any 
form upon anyone no matter the legal framework.

Your local cop IS A MOTHERFUCKING KILLER wishing for his moment to totally ruin 
someone's life.

And if he isn't, then he's an enabler of a fellow cop who is a sociopathand 
that is just AS BAD.  

Case in point:  I know of an 2007 incident in sleepy little-town FAIRFIELD in 
which a cop TORTURED A ROO for over 12 hours in the presence of the other 
officers.  Not a headline.  (Don't ask for details -- can't out a Roo who 
doesn't want more of the same if he's seen bitching about it in public.  No 
charges, let the guy go the next day.)

But see?  This is the heart of darkness within ALL OF US in Kali Yuga.  Even 
our heroes will be found to be  tilted in this age.  

Even the good guys...consider how the TMO did all it could to subvert the 
legal requirements during the murder at MUM.   Those were "saints," right?  
Even inside them was the "I get to do whatever shit I want to" dynamic.  
Consider Ed Beckeley, Dr. Bloomfield, the commodities groups, the TMO money 
laundering and smuggling, etc.  

I have been to 17 countries and saw the same shit everywhere.  Give someone a 
gun and they're looking for "game" cuz they're on safari, donchaknow.  

To sum:  how many good Americans would be willing to put a tactical nuke inside 
a 9-11 tower?  Almost any cop, any soldier.   Deal with this fact.  It's the 
truth.  Krishna took sattva with Him 5,000 years ago. There's no Arjuna out 
there wearing a badge of honor and integrity.  



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 10/11/2014 12:20 PM, salyavin808 wrote:

   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 

 What worries is me that you have such a disconnect from the people that run 
the US that you actually think they would murder thousands of their own people 
for reasons best known to themselves. 



 
 Whoa, Jack! You're half reading me.  I'm not alleging that our politicians 
conspired to pull off 9-11.  It's a shadow government that many people in the 
US believe exists (and probably many folks in the UK believe about your own 
government).  Killing thousands would rile up Americans (and believe me the 
days following they were insanely riled) to support anything the  government 
asked if it involved retaliation.  So Arab terrorists did 9-11 and we go off 
and bomb Afghanistan and Iraq.  Shouldn't we have bombed Saudi Arabia instead?  
Something wrong with that picture? But the hijackers weren't working for the 
Saudi government. The organisers lived in Afghanistan and we just knocked off 
Iraq for the hell of it. Been after an excuse for years. 
 
 BTW, for some reason a lot of people who worked at the WTC were told to stay 
home that day.
 
 There's a kind of movement like that in the UK about the Islamic terrorist 
that blew up some tube trains a decade ago. The story goes that the government 
knew about it but let it happen because it would be an excuse to rachet up the 
anti-terror laws, which completely coincidentally can also be used to harass 
innocent people whenever the state feels like it.





 
 The UK subway bombings indeed smell of a false flag.  These types of 
operations have been around for centuries but I guess that history wasn't your 
favorite subject?
 
I think you've lost it. Can you tell fact from fiction any more? Too much TV 
perhaps, it's hard to tell sometimes, except the news doesn't have happy 
endings.
 
 
 I don't believe it for the simple fact that however cynical politicians get 
it's their own friends and family that might get blown up. You don't seem to 
have that sort of human link, sure the govt in the US has blood on its hands 
but the 9/11 conspiracies are qualitatively different from interfering in the 
politics of left wing countries or suppressing anti-capitalist demonstrations. 
It isn't a quantitative thing at all.





 
 See my above comment.
 
 
 
 I think it's the conspiracists that react emotionally, something unbelievable 
happens and the dots get joined up irrationally, anything to make it make sense 
that doesn't just mean the world is so dangerous a bunch of religious 
fruitcakes can walk onto planes in America and fly them into public buildings. 
I'd hate to live in a country where I thought the government would actually 
blow me up as an excuse for starting a war in a third world country, some of 
the residents of which had already made some bold attacks on the US - unless 
they were conspiracies too.





 
 In the 1960s they wanted to send us young guys off to the rice paddies of 
Vietnam to get our asses shot off. Gulf of Tonkin is a confirmed false flag to 
gain public support.  The poor Vietnamese just wanted their country back after 
centuries of domination by foreign powers.  Now we do trade with them. Go 
figger.
 
 
 
 Because of the crap you can find on youtube, I know people who actually think 
ISIS and Al Queda don't exist at all and were created so the "west" can clamp 
down on personal freedom. We realists know they just used the 9/11 and 7/7 
bombings as an excuse for that.
 





 
 This history of Al Qaeda is well known from their existence as Mujahideen and 
supported by our CIA to fight against the Russians in Afghanistan.  They've now 
morphed into ISIS.  Erm, that's what I've said here many times. It's the 
conspiracy theorists who've taken it too far. Not me. 
  Some of us weren't born yesterday.  BTW, when is it you turn 1?  :-D  I'm 
guessing this is some derision at challenging ideas yes? 
 
 
 






 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Snoozguru (is that Bhairitu?) said:  You would have been well advised not to 
use "RationalWiki" which skeptics don't even like.  
 

 SD:  I am not relying on RationalWiki as an authority. However, it provides 
some credible counter arguments to some 9/11 points that you (and others, such 
as O'keefe in related video) have raised. I don't find all the points raised in 
the 9/11 section of RationalWiki particular relevant or well considered.  The 
same points that I drew upon are found from a number of alternative sources. 
RationalWiki simply compiled otherwise existing information is a convenient 
format (for me). 
 

 I hope you will address (at least some) of the  specific counter points that I 
listed. I hope you will not not blanketly  discredit or disregard the 
counterpoints because you are not a fan of the site that compiled them from 
many other sources. 
 

 I do not have a rigid stance on many 911 issues and am not trying to win any 
sort of debate. You raised some interesting points. Upon research I 
found,further information that, until refuted or discredited, appears to 
counter some of your your points.  Not the end of the story in my view. 
Successive exchanges of points and rational counterpoints is at least one means 
to get further towards the bottom of things.
 

 

 Snoozeguru: Those of us who think there is something more to a case than 
reported don't call ourselves "conspiracy theorists." 
 

 SD: I don't like the term "conspiracy theorist either as I outline in a prior 
post this morning. I was responding to Turq's (to me useful) articles -- but 
pointing out the pitfalls of terms stemming from "conspiracy".
 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Mac: Very well said. This sentence, "Derision of challenging and troubling 
ideas is a core defense mechanism.", stood out for me. In the face of a modern 
age, with an endless cascade of information, to assimilate, or challenge, it 
becomes an easy out, to draw broad conclusions, either casting too critical an 
eye at unconventional life, or, becoming naively accepting of it. I try to keep 
an open mind, especially for events where I was not present, and must rely on a 
media source for information.  

 Mac: Fwiw, in terms of public events, the one that still has me thinking, is 
the JFK killing - Mostly because Oswald was then killed, in a highly secure 
environment (the basement of Dallas Police HQ), by Jack Ruby, who then died on 
the eve of his second trial, four years later, at 55. Perhaps it was exactly 
how the govt. said it was, but too many questions, for my liking.
 

 


 Seerdope Reply: 
 

 To me the (mythical/hypothetical rational, impartial) jury is still out on the 
JFK assassination. It has so many undisclosed facts, mistruths, destroyed or 
missing data, convenient subsequent "deaths", agenda's build on agendas (on 
many sides of the question), whitewashes, etc. For me, 9/11 has similar 
problems (though I am not equating frameworks or magnitude.) . To me other 
issues such as the undisclosed, hidden full backroom story and agendas of how 
and why the US and others have gotten involved in, instigated, and/or prolonged 
major wars is deeply problematic and troubling (Spanish American war, 
Philippine American war, WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Central America, Gulf War, Iraq 
and Afghanistan, Lybia, ISIS, etc.
 

 Eisenhower's  caution about the military/industrial complex is as valid if not 
more so today than in 1960 when he left office with those words. I would expand 
it to the military/industrial/financial. So much lays beneath the surface that 
should be uncovered. 

 Other issues, while fairly well documented still need much more to be 
uncovered (and the public to wake up to it) such as   
 "regulatory capture" (when a regulatory agency, created to act in the public 
interest, advances the commercial or special concerns of interest groups that 
dominate the industry or sector it is charged with regulating), 
 the revolving door between government and high paying private sector jobs and 
influence,
 the power and influence of of Investment banks,
 the substantial science supporting global warming and the vast and far 
reaching costs and disruption of its current and unfolding impacts over the 
next century
 agra-business's influence on public (non)nutrition AMA and FDA (at times) 
perverse influence and roadblocks to the pursuit of a healthy life the 
obstacles to deep, constructive reform to primary and secondary education 
(including and not limited to teachers unions, text book publishers, etc)
 the perverse and cozy healthcare / insurance complex Medicare solvency 
advances in brain science in the past 10 years concentration of power in 
governments, corporations and high wealth individuals/families pervasive 
influence of cognitive biases and irrational / anti-science bias growing 
divergence of income distribution  There are so many issues that need fuller 
investigation, disclosure and understanding. Given limited time and resources, 
to me its a question of choosing one's battles, identifying which areas of 
disclosure and changes will make a substantive difference. And that is at the 
cost of less focus on really perverse, messed-up, clearly corrupt, black (yet 
still fascinating and intriguing)  events and processes.  
 

 To me, the JFK assassination (as well as Kennedy's and brothers' at least in 
part questionable behind the scenes actions and  agendas) are fascinating -- 
having lived through that era and through the implications of those events -- 
and clearly somethings are still quite rotten and smelly. 
 

 However, will getting to the bottom of that provide as much fuel for positive 
change and reform as, for example, helping to provide greater insight into, and 
actions to help mitigate and adapt to, the vast tsunami of disruption that 
global climate change that is unfolding?   
 

 Or does real change really begin (and end) with individual change.  Is that 
the more effective pursuit  -- even if it means foregoing worthy public inquiry 
outlined above?

   
  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

To me the (mythical/hypothetical rational, impartial) jury is still out on the 
JFK assassination. It has so many undisclosed facts, mistruths, destroyed or 
missing data, convenient subsequent "deaths", agenda's build on agendas (on 
many sides of the question), whitewashes, etc. For me, 9/11 has similar 
problems (though I am not equating frameworks or magnitude.) . To me other 
issues such as the undisclosed, hidden full backroom story and agendas of how 
and why the US and others have gotten involved in, instigated, and/or prolonged 
major wars is deeply problematic and troubling (Spanish American war, 
Philippine American war, WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Central America, Gulf War, Iraq 
and Afghanistan, Lybia, ISIS, etc.
 

 Eisenhower's  caution about the military/industrial complex is as valid if not 
more so today than in 1960 when he left office with those words. I would expand 
it to the military/industrial/financial. So much lays beneath the surface that 
should be uncovered. 

 Other issues, while fairly well documented still need much more to be 
uncovered (and the public to wake up to it) such as   
 "regulatory capture" (when a regulatory agency, created to act in the public 
interest, advances the commercial or special concerns of interest groups that 
dominate the industry or sector it is charged with regulating), 
 the revolving door between government and high paying private sector jobs and 
influence,
 the power and influence of of Investment banks,
 the substantial science supporting global warming and the vast and far 
reaching costs and disruption of its current and unfolding impacts over the 
next century
 agra-business's influence on public (non)nutrition AMA and FDA (at times) 
perverse influence and roadblocks to the pursuit of a healthy life the 
obstacles to deep, constructive reform to primary and secondary education 
(including and not limited to teachers unions, text book publishers, etc)
 the perverse and cozy healthcare / insurance complex Medicare solvency 
advances in brain science in the past 10 years concentration of power in 
governments, corporations and high wealth individuals/families pervasive 
influence of cognitive biases and irrational / anti-science bias growing 
divergence of income distribution  There are so many issues that need fuller 
investigation, disclosure and understanding. Given limited time and resources, 
to me its a question of choosing one's battles, identifying which areas of 
disclosure and changes will make a substantive difference. And that is at the 
cost of less focus on really perverse, messed-up, clearly corrupt, black (yet 
still fascinating and intriguing)  events and processes.  
 

 To me, the JFK assassination (as well as Kennedy's and brothers' at least in 
part questionable behind the scenes actions and  agendas) are fascinating -- 
having lived through that era and through the implications of those events -- 
and clearly somethings are still quite rotten and smelly. 
 

 However, will getting to the bottom of that provide as much fuel for positive 
change and reform as, for example, helping to provide greater insight into, and 
actions to help mitigate and adapt to, the vast tsunami of disruption that 
global climate change that is unfolding?   
 

 Or does real change really begin (and end) with individual change.  Is that 
the more effective pursuit  -- even if it means foregoing worthy public inquiry 
outlined above?

   
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

On 10/11/2014 12:20 PM, salyavin808 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Image if your local police department reported a murder as "someone 
shot the person.  Case closed" That's almost what the 9-11 official 
story is like.


You would have been well advised not to use "RationalWiki" which 
skeptics don't even like.  Those of us who think there is something 
more to a case than reported don't call ourselves "conspiracy 
theorists."  That term has come about and used by PSYOPS to discredit 
us since the JFK assassination which I don't think Oswald had anything 
to do with because he had a cheap gun and was seen in the lunch room 
at the book depository when the assassination took place.  He was a 
convenience patsy due to his activities.  If Ruby had not shot him it 
might have come out that he got framed.


Jeez, everyone knows Elvis shot JFK. It's hardly news.

Anyone on the right track to solving these crimes who has any 
visibility such as a news reporter often gets offed or suicided. Some 
of the "nutty stuff" you will find in "conspiracy theorist" are PSYOPS 
trying to "poison the well" lest the truth be known. Just think if we 
could prove beyond a doubt that 9-11 was indeed an inside job and who 
the perps were how confidence in our government would fall, not that 
it isn't anyway.  And we have long had little confidence in our 
corporations and banks which these days run like gang operations.


After reading the articles Barry posted I was going to write something 
about how conspiracy theories are probably created by the government 
to distract everyone from what a crap job they actually do at running 
the country. Be nice to think there was someone in power who could 
organise a job that big, we can't even make a computer system to link 
up health districts without the ministry going bankrupt and abandoning 
it.


The USA is a very dirty place.  It was that way from it's inception 
because some of the wealthy landowners didn't want their workers to 
have rights and some wanted the US to still be beholding to Britain.  
Our democracy is an illusion and the king makers hate anyone who 
points that out.  A lot more people would have probably taken to the 
streets during the Occupy Movement but they feared losing their jobs.  
We live in a country of increasing "have nots", people who have lost 
even their simple pleasures of life because a plan to put all but a 
few in austerity.


So many detractors here seem to have little knowledge of history and 
just react emotionally.  I guess some folks want to live in a simple 
world of Santy Claus and Easter Bunnies.


Both of which are inventions, just like the conspiracies.

What worries is me that you have such a disconnect from the people 
that run the US that you actually think they would murder thousands of 
their own people for reasons best known to themselves.


Whoa, Jack! You're half reading me.  I'm not alleging that our 
politicians conspired to pull off 9-11.  It's a shadow government that 
many people in the US believe exists (and probably many folks in the UK 
believe about your own government).  Killing thousands would rile up 
Americans (and believe me the days following they were insanely riled) 
to support anything the  government asked if it involved retaliation.  
So Arab terrorists did 9-11 and we go off and bomb Afghanistan and 
Iraq.  Shouldn't we have bombed Saudi Arabia instead?  Something wrong 
with that picture?


BTW, for some reason a lot of people who worked at the WTC were told to 
stay home that day.


There's a kind of movement like that in the UK about the Islamic 
terrorist that blew up some tube trains a decade ago. The story goes 
that the government knew about it but let it happen because it would 
be an excuse to rachet up the anti-terror laws, which completely 
coincidentally can also be used to harass innocent people whenever the 
state feels like it.


The UK subway bombings indeed smell of a false flag.  These types of 
operations have been around for centuries but I guess that history 
wasn't your favorite subject?




I don't believe it for the simple fact that however cynical 
politicians get it's their own friends and family that might get blown 
up. You don't seem to have that sort of human link, sure the govt in 
the US has blood on its hands but the 9/11 conspiracies are 
qualitatively different from interfering in the politics of left wing 
countries or suppressing anti-capitalist demonstrations. It isn't a 
quantitative thing at all.


See my above comment.



I think it's the conspiracists that react emotionally, something 
unbelievable happens and the dots get joined up irrationally, anything 
to make it make sense that doesn't just mean the world is so dangerous 
a bunch of religious fruitcakes can walk onto planes in America and 
fly them into public buildings. I'd hate to live in a country where I 
thought the government would actually blow me up as an excuse for 
starting a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

In the 1980s I knew some ex-cops from Texas who were probably in 
"witness protection" because of what they knew about Billy Sol Estes.


On 10/11/2014 11:01 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Some conspiracy theories are more fun and more chilling than others - 
read this obit of Billie Sol Estes and see what you think:


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/may/17/billie-sol-estes

image <http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/may/17/billie-sol-estes>





Billie Sol Estes obituary 
<http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/may/17/billie-sol-estes>
Spectacularly successful Texas fraudster who figured in conspiracy 
theories about the death of John F Kennedy


View on www.theguardian.com 
<http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/may/17/billie-sol-estes>


Preview by Yahoo



*From:* "seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Saturday, October 11, 2014 1:46 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

The term “conspiracy theory”, though I use it myself, is a two-edged 
sword that may have outlived its usefulness.  Those challenging 
mainstream knowledge and conventions are routinely cast as conspiracy 
nuts – and implying that such nut jobs glob onto many such “oddball” 
explanations of the universe as a crutch to cope with reality, It has 
acquired a derogatory meaning and can become a perverse tool applied 
to dismiss or ridicule unconventional beliefs, a tool of suppressing 
sincere inquiry and challenging of prevailing norms and wisdom, 
defying gut instincts (aka cognitive biases) and seeking truth no 
matter where it takes you and at what costa.
Many breakthroughs and new understanding of how the world works, 
including counter-culture ideas, and challenges to the establishment, 
have been initially derided as crack-pot ideas, conspiracy theories, 
promoted by nut jobs. Derision of challenging and troubling ideas is a 
core defense mechanism.
A vast list of crack-pot ideas, inflammatory, and/or conspiracy-driven 
dibble has unfolded and become in our lifetimes mainstream wisdom – a 
few, both large and small (may) include (not in any order of impact or 
importance:  the Snowden leaks, Pentagon Papers, Lewinsky’s blue 
dress, lack of weapons of mass destruction, Judith Bourque’s book, 
Iran-Contra, the Madoff scandal, genocides and mass murder of German 
concentration camps, Stalin, Mao, Khmer Rouge, Sudan, Native 
Americans, “California real-estate prices never go down”, the USDA’s 
food triangle, equal pay for equal work, segregation, JFK’s affairs, 
Watergate, MY Lai, black site prisons, priest pedophilia, the tech 
bubble (“you just don’t GET it”), the housing bubble, Goldman Sachs, 
the extent of regulatory capture, animals having emotions, Sandusky, 
celebrities coming out of the closet, the Higgs Boson, Masters and 
Johnson, a black president, LBJ’s decline seek re-election, the value 
of “health foods”, vegetarianism, yoga and meditation, game-changing 
technology, global climate change, etc. More so over the march of time 
– much of mainstream science came from those initially labeled 
heretics, crackpots, etc.
Though many weird, strange, mind-blowing, unbelievable things have 
turned out to be true, that hardly means that all weird, strange, 
mind-blowing, unbelievable things are true.
Some core distinctions are willingness to systematically, without bias 
or agenda, challenge one’s own and society’s views, models of how the 
world works, prevailing understandings and conventional wisdom. These 
are high virtues, not something that is worthy of derision and labels 
such as conspiracy theories..
However, it is hardly a virtue to be driven by conformational bias in 
assembling facts to form an apparent, though illusory random pattern 
in order to fulfill some inner need to cast blows against the empire, 
exude elitism, deride others, irrationally attempt to bring order and 
make sense of a seemly, at times, irrational challenging life and 
universe.
/A key distinction is whether one first shoots the arrow or paints the 
target, is open to considering all evidence, a willingness to change 
views as new evidence presents itself, always seeking to find 
alternative answers to explain and overturn one’s current pet POV, 
having a healthy sense of both skepticism and optimism, and  having an 
identity independent of a particular “truth”. /

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Elvis didn't shoot JFK - Mac Wallace did. Billie Sol said so:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/may/17/billie-sol-estes
  
 
Billie Sol Estes obituary
Spectacularly successful Texas fraudster who figured in conspiracy theories 
about the death of John F Kennedy  
View on www.theguardian.com Preview by Yahoo  
  



 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Image if your local police department
reported a murder as "someone shot the person.  Case closed" 
That's almost what the 9-11 official story is like.

You would have been well advised not to use "RationalWiki" which
skeptics don't even like.  Those of us who think there is
something more to a case than reported don't call ourselves
"conspiracy theorists."  That term has come about and used by
PSYOPS to discredit us since the JFK assassination which I don't
think Oswald had anything to do with because he had a cheap gun
and was seen in the lunch room at the book depository when the
assassination took place.  He was a convenience patsy due to his
activities.  If Ruby had not shot him it might have come out that
he got framed.

Jeez, everyone knows Elvis shot JFK. It's hardly news.

Anyone on the right track to solving these crimes who has any
visibility such as a news reporter often gets offed or suicided. 
Some of the "nutty stuff" you will find in "conspiracy theorist"
are PSYOPS trying to "poison the well" lest the truth be known. 
Just think if we could prove beyond a doubt that 9-11 was indeed
an inside job and who the perps were how confidence in our
government would fall, not that it isn't anyway.  And we have long
had little confidence in our corporations and banks which these
days run like gang operations.

After reading the articles Barry posted I was going to write something about 
how conspiracy theories are probably created by the government to distract 
everyone from what a crap job they actually do at running the country. Be nice 
to think there was someone in power who could organise a job that big, we can't 
even make a computer system to link up health districts without the ministry 
going bankrupt and abandoning it. 

The USA is a very dirty place.  It was that way from it's
inception because some of the wealthy landowners didn't want their
workers to have rights and some wanted the US to still be
beholding to Britain.  Our democracy is an illusion and the king
makers hate anyone who points that out.  A lot more people would
have probably taken to the streets during the Occupy Movement but
they feared losing their jobs.  We live in a country of increasing
"have nots", people who have lost even their simple pleasures of
life because a plan to put all but a few in austerity.

So many detractors here seem to have little knowledge of history
and just react emotionally.  I guess some folks want to live in a
simple world of Santy Claus and Easter Bunnies.

Both of which are inventions, just like the conspiracies.

What worries is me that you have such a disconnect from the people that run the 
US that you actually think they would murder thousands of their own people for 
reasons best known to themselves. There's a kind of movement like that in the 
UK about the Islamic terrorist that blew up some tube trains a decade ago. The 
story goes that the government knew about it but let it happen because it would 
be an excuse to rachet up the anti-terror laws, which completely coincidentally 
can also be used to harass innocent people whenever the state feels like it.

I don't believe it for the simple fact that however cynical politicians get 
it's their own friends and family that might get blown up. You don't seem to 
have that sort of human link, sure the govt in the US has blood on its hands 
but the 9/11 conspiracies are qualitatively different from interfering in the 
politics of left wing countries or suppressing anti-capitalist demonstrations. 
It isn't a quantitative thing at all.

I think it's the conspiracists that react emotionally, something unbelievable 
happens and the dots get joined up irrationally, anything to make it make sense 
that doesn't just mean the world is so dangerous a bunch of religious 
fruitcakes can walk onto planes in America and fly them into public buildings. 
I'd hate to live in a country where I thought the government would actually 
blow me up as an excuse for starting a war in a third world country, some of 
the residents of which had already made some bold attacks on the US - unless 
they were conspiracies too.

Because of the crap you can find on youtube, I know people who actually think 
ISIS and Al Queda don't exist at a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Image if your local police department reported a murder as "someone shot the 
person.  Case closed"  That's almost what the 9-11 official story is like.
 
 You would have been well advised not to use "RationalWiki" which skeptics 
don't even like.  Those of us who think there is something more to a case than 
reported don't call ourselves "conspiracy theorists."  That term has come about 
and used by PSYOPS to discredit us since the JFK assassination which I don't 
think Oswald had anything to do with because he had a cheap gun and was seen in 
the lunch room at the book depository when the assassination took place.  He 
was a convenience patsy due to his activities.  If Ruby had not shot him it 
might have come out that he got framed.
 

 Jeez, everyone knows Elvis shot JFK. It's hardly news.
 
 Anyone on the right track to solving these crimes who has any visibility such 
as a news reporter often gets offed or suicided.  Some of the "nutty stuff" you 
will find in "conspiracy theorist" are PSYOPS trying to "poison the well" lest 
the truth be known.  Just think if we could prove beyond a doubt that 9-11 was 
indeed an inside job and who the perps were how confidence in our government 
would fall, not that it isn't anyway.  And we have long had little confidence 
in our corporations and banks which these days run like gang operations.
 

 After reading the articles Barry posted I was going to write something about 
how conspiracy theories are probably created by the government to distract 
everyone from what a crap job they actually do at running the country. Be nice 
to think there was someone in power who could organise a job that big, we can't 
even make a computer system to link up health districts without the ministry 
going bankrupt and abandoning it. 
 
 The USA is a very dirty place.  It was that way from it's inception because 
some of the wealthy landowners didn't want their workers to have rights and 
some wanted the US to still be beholding to Britain.  Our democracy is an 
illusion and the king makers hate anyone who points that out.  A lot more 
people would have probably taken to the streets during the Occupy Movement but 
they feared losing their jobs.  We live in a country of increasing "have nots", 
people who have lost even their simple pleasures of life because a plan to put 
all but a few in austerity.
 
 So many detractors here seem to have little knowledge of history and just 
react emotionally.  I guess some folks want to live in a simple world of Santy 
Claus and Easter Bunnies.
 
Both of which are inventions, just like the conspiracies.
 

 What worries is me that you have such a disconnect from the people that run 
the US that you actually think they would murder thousands of their own people 
for reasons best known to themselves. There's a kind of movement like that in 
the UK about the Islamic terrorist that blew up some tube trains a decade ago. 
The story goes that the government knew about it but let it happen because it 
would be an excuse to rachet up the anti-terror laws, which completely 
coincidentally can also be used to harass innocent people whenever the state 
feels like it.
 

 I don't believe it for the simple fact that however cynical politicians get 
it's their own friends and family that might get blown up. You don't seem to 
have that sort of human link, sure the govt in the US has blood on its hands 
but the 9/11 conspiracies are qualitatively different from interfering in the 
politics of left wing countries or suppressing anti-capitalist demonstrations. 
It isn't a quantitative thing at all.
 

 I think it's the conspiracists that react emotionally, something unbelievable 
happens and the dots get joined up irrationally, anything to make it make sense 
that doesn't just mean the world is so dangerous a bunch of religious 
fruitcakes can walk onto planes in America and fly them into public buildings. 
I'd hate to live in a country where I thought the government would actually 
blow me up as an excuse for starting a war in a third world country, some of 
the residents of which had already made some bold attacks on the US - unless 
they were conspiracies too.
 

 Because of the crap you can find on youtube, I know people who actually think 
ISIS and Al Queda don't exist at all and were created so the "west" can clamp 
down on personal freedom. We realists know they just used the 9/11 and 7/7 
bombings as an excuse for that.
 
 On 10/11/2014 10:46 AM, seerdope@... mailto:seerdope@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
   The term “conspiracy theory”, though I use it myself, is a two-edged sword 
that may have outlived its usefulness.  Those challenging mainstream knowledge 
and conventions are routinely cast as conspiracy nuts – and implying that such 
nut jobs glob onto many such “oddball” explanations of the universe as a crutch 
to cope with reality, It has acquired a derogatory meaning and can become a 
pervers

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Very well said. This sentence, "Derision of challenging and troubling ideas is 
a core defense mechanism.", stood out for me. In the face of a modern age, with 
an endless cascade of information, to assimilate, or challenge, it becomes an 
easy out, to draw broad conclusions, either casting too critical an eye at 
unconventional life, or, becoming naively accepting of it. I try to keep an 
open mind, especially for events where I was not present, and must rely on a 
media source for information.  

 Fwiw, in terms of public events, the one that still has me thinking, is the 
JFK killing - Mostly because Oswald was then killed, in a highly secure 
environment (the basement of Dallas Police HQ), by Jack Ruby, who then died on 
the eve of his second trial, four years later, at 55. Perhaps it was exactly 
how the govt. said it was, but too many questions, for my liking.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The term “conspiracy theory”, though I use it myself, is a two-edged sword 
that may have outlived its usefulness.  Those challenging mainstream knowledge 
and conventions are routinely cast as conspiracy nuts – and implying that such 
nut jobs glob onto many such “oddball” explanations of the universe as a crutch 
to cope with reality, It has acquired a derogatory meaning and can become a 
perverse tool applied to dismiss or ridicule unconventional beliefs, a tool of 
suppressing sincere inquiry and challenging of prevailing norms and wisdom, 
defying gut instincts (aka cognitive biases) and seeking truth no matter where 
it takes you and at what costa.  
 Many breakthroughs and new understanding of how the world works, including 
counter-culture ideas, and challenges to the establishment, have been initially 
derided as crack-pot ideas, conspiracy theories, promoted by nut jobs. Derision 
of challenging and troubling ideas is a core defense mechanism.  
 A vast list of crack-pot ideas, inflammatory, and/or conspiracy-driven dibble 
has unfolded and become in our lifetimes mainstream wisdom – a few, both large 
and small (may) include (not in any order of impact or importance:  the Snowden 
leaks, Pentagon Papers, Lewinsky’s blue dress, lack of weapons of mass 
destruction, Judith Bourque’s book, Iran-Contra, the Madoff scandal, genocides 
and mass murder of German concentration camps, Stalin, Mao, Khmer Rouge, Sudan, 
Native Americans, “California real-estate prices never go down”, the USDA’s 
food triangle, equal pay for equal work, segregation, JFK’s affairs, Watergate, 
MY Lai, black site prisons, priest pedophilia, the tech bubble (“you just don’t 
GET it”), the housing bubble, Goldman Sachs, the extent of regulatory capture, 
animals having emotions, Sandusky, celebrities coming out of the closet, the 
Higgs Boson, Masters and Johnson, a black president, LBJ’s decline seek 
re-election, the value of “health foods”, vegetarianism, yoga and meditation, 
game-changing technology, global climate change, etc. More so over the march of 
time – much of mainstream science came from those initially labeled heretics, 
crackpots, etc.
 Though many weird, strange, mind-blowing, unbelievable things have turned out 
to be true, that hardly means that all weird, strange, mind-blowing, 
unbelievable things are true.  
 Some core distinctions are willingness to systematically, without bias or 
agenda, challenge one’s own and society’s views, models of how the world works, 
prevailing understandings and conventional wisdom. These are high virtues, not 
something that is worthy of derision and labels such as conspiracy theories.. 
 However, it is hardly a virtue to be driven by conformational bias in 
assembling facts to form an apparent, though illusory random pattern in order 
to fulfill some inner need to cast blows against the empire, exude elitism, 
deride others, irrationally attempt to bring order and make sense of a seemly, 
at times, irrational challenging life and universe.
 A key distinction is whether one first shoots the arrow or paints the target, 
is open to considering all evidence, a willingness to change views as new 
evidence presents itself, always seeking to find alternative answers to explain 
and overturn one’s current pet POV, having a healthy sense of both skepticism 
and optimism, and  having an identity independent of a particular “truth”.   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Image if your local police department reported a murder as "someone shot 
the person.  Case closed" That's almost what the 9-11 official story is 
like.


You would have been well advised not to use "RationalWiki" which 
skeptics don't even like.  Those of us who think there is something more 
to a case than reported don't call ourselves "conspiracy theorists."  
That term has come about and used by PSYOPS to discredit us since the 
JFK assassination which I don't think Oswald had anything to do with 
because he had a cheap gun and was seen in the lunch room at the book 
depository when the assassination took place.  He was a convenience 
patsy due to his activities.  If Ruby had not shot him it might have 
come out that he got framed.


Anyone on the right track to solving these crimes who has any visibility 
such as a news reporter often gets offed or suicided. Some of the "nutty 
stuff" you will find in "conspiracy theorist" are PSYOPS trying to 
"poison the well" lest the truth be known. Just think if we could prove 
beyond a doubt that 9-11 was indeed an inside job and who the perps were 
how confidence in our government would fall, not that it isn't anyway.  
And we have long had little confidence in our corporations and banks 
which these days run like gang operations.


The USA is a very dirty place.  It was that way from it's inception 
because some of the wealthy landowners didn't want their workers to have 
rights and some wanted the US to still be beholding to Britain.  Our 
democracy is an illusion and the king makers hate anyone who points that 
out.  A lot more people would have probably taken to the streets during 
the Occupy Movement but they feared losing their jobs.  We live in a 
country of increasing "have nots", people who have lost even their 
simple pleasures of life because a plan to put all but a few in austerity.


So many detractors here seem to have little knowledge of history and 
just react emotionally.  I guess some folks want to live in a simple 
world of Santy Claus and Easter Bunnies.



On 10/11/2014 10:46 AM, seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


The term “conspiracy theory”, though I use it myself, is a two-edged 
sword that may have outlived its usefulness.  Those challenging 
mainstream knowledge and conventions are routinely cast as conspiracy 
nuts – and implying that such nut jobs glob onto many such “oddball” 
explanations of the universe as a crutch to cope with reality, It has 
acquired a derogatory meaning and can become a perverse tool applied 
to dismiss or ridicule unconventional beliefs, a tool of suppressing 
sincere inquiry and challenging of prevailing norms and wisdom, 
defying gut instincts (aka cognitive biases) and seeking truth no 
matter where it takes you and at what costa.


Many breakthroughs and new understanding of how the world works, 
including counter-culture ideas, and challenges to the establishment, 
have been initially derided as crack-pot ideas, conspiracy theories, 
promoted by nut jobs. Derision of challenging and troubling ideas is a 
core defense mechanism.


A vast list of crack-pot ideas, inflammatory, and/or conspiracy-driven 
dibble has unfolded and become in our lifetimes mainstream wisdom – a 
few, both large and small (may) include (not in any order of impact or 
importance:  the Snowden leaks, Pentagon Papers, Lewinsky’s blue 
dress, lack of weapons of mass destruction, Judith Bourque’s book, 
Iran-Contra, the Madoff scandal, genocides and mass murder of German 
concentration camps, Stalin, Mao, Khmer Rouge, Sudan, Native 
Americans, “California real-estate prices never go down”, the USDA’s 
food triangle, equal pay for equal work, segregation, JFK’s affairs, 
Watergate, MY Lai, black site prisons, priest pedophilia, the tech 
bubble (“you just don’t GET it”), the housing bubble, Goldman Sachs, 
the extent of regulatory capture, animals having emotions, Sandusky, 
celebrities coming out of the closet, the Higgs Boson, Masters and 
Johnson, a black president, LBJ’s decline seek re-election, the value 
of “health foods”, vegetarianism, yoga and meditation, game-changing 
technology, global climate change, etc. More so over the march of time 
– much of mainstream science came from those initially labeled 
heretics, crackpots, etc.


Though many weird, strange, mind-blowing, unbelievable things have 
turned out to be true, that hardly means that all weird, strange, 
mind-blowing, unbelievable things are true.


Some core distinctions are willingness to systematically, without bias 
or agenda, challenge one’s own and society’s views, models of how the 
world works, prevailing understandings and conventional wisdom. These 
are high virtues, not something that is worthy of derision and labels 
such as conspiracy theories..


However, it is hardly a virtue to be driven by conformational bias in 
assembling facts to form an apparent, though illusory random pattern 
in order to fulfill some inner need to cast blows against the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Some conspiracy theories are more fun and more chilling than others - read this 
obit of Billie Sol Estes and see what you think:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/may/17/billie-sol-estes
  
 
Billie Sol Estes obituary
Spectacularly successful Texas fraudster who figured in conspiracy theories 
about the death of John F Kennedy  
View on www.theguardian.com Preview by Yahoo  
  



 From: "seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11
 


  
The term “conspiracy theory”,
though I use it myself, is a two-edged sword that may have outlived its
usefulness.  Those challenging mainstream
knowledge and conventions are routinely cast as conspiracy nuts – and implying
that such nut jobs glob onto many such “oddball” explanations of the universe
as a crutch to cope with reality, It has acquired a derogatory meaning and can
become a perverse tool applied to dismiss or ridicule unconventional beliefs, a
tool of suppressing sincere inquiry and challenging of prevailing norms and 
wisdom,
defying gut instincts (aka cognitive biases) and seeking truth no matter where
it takes you and at what costa.  
Many breakthroughs and new
understanding of how the world works, including counter-culture ideas, and 
challenges
to the establishment, have been initially derided as crack-pot ideas,
conspiracy theories, promoted by nut jobs. Derision of challenging and
troubling ideas is a core defense mechanism.  
A vast list of crack-pot ideas,
inflammatory, and/or conspiracy-driven dibble has unfolded and become in our
lifetimes mainstream wisdom – a few, both large and small (may) include (not in
any order of impact or importance:  the
Snowden leaks, Pentagon Papers, Lewinsky’s blue dress, lack of weapons of mass
destruction, Judith Bourque’s book, Iran-Contra, the Madoff scandal, genocides
and mass murder of German concentration camps, Stalin, Mao, Khmer Rouge, Sudan, 
Native Americans, “California
real-estate prices never go down”, the USDA’s food triangle, equal pay for
equal work, segregation, JFK’s affairs, Watergate, MY Lai, black site prisons,
priest pedophilia, the tech bubble (“you just don’t GET it”), the housing
bubble, Goldman Sachs, the extent of regulatory capture, animals having
emotions, Sandusky, celebrities coming out of the closet, the Higgs Boson, 
Masters
and Johnson, a black president, LBJ’s decline seek re-election, the value of
“health foods”, vegetarianism, yoga and meditation, game-changing technology,
global climate change, etc. More so over the march of time – much of mainstream
science came from those initially labeled heretics, crackpots, etc.
Though many weird, strange,
mind-blowing, unbelievable things have turned out to be true, that hardly means
that all weird, strange, mind-blowing, unbelievable things are true.  
Some core distinctions are willingness
to systematically, without bias or agenda, challenge one’s own and society’s 
views,
models of how the world works, prevailing understandings and conventional
wisdom. These are high virtues, not something that is worthy of derision and
labels such as conspiracy theories.. 
However, it is hardly a virtue
to be driven by conformational bias in assembling facts to form an apparent,
though illusory random pattern in order to fulfill some inner need to cast
blows against the empire, exude elitism, deride others, irrationally attempt to
bring order and make sense of a seemly, at times, irrational challenging life
and universe.
A key distinction is whether one first shoots the arrow or
paints the target, is open to considering all evidence, a willingness to change
views as new evidence presents itself, always seeking to find alternative
answers to explain and overturn one’s current pet POV, having a healthy sense
of both skepticism and optimism, and  having
an identity independent of a particular “truth”.   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The term “conspiracy theory”, though I use it myself, is a two-edged sword that 
may have outlived its usefulness.  Those challenging mainstream knowledge and 
conventions are routinely cast as conspiracy nuts – and implying that such nut 
jobs glob onto many such “oddball” explanations of the universe as a crutch to 
cope with reality, It has acquired a derogatory meaning and can become a 
perverse tool applied to dismiss or ridicule unconventional beliefs, a tool of 
suppressing sincere inquiry and challenging of prevailing norms and wisdom, 
defying gut instincts (aka cognitive biases) and seeking truth no matter where 
it takes you and at what costa.  
 Many breakthroughs and new understanding of how the world works, including 
counter-culture ideas, and challenges to the establishment, have been initially 
derided as crack-pot ideas, conspiracy theories, promoted by nut jobs. Derision 
of challenging and troubling ideas is a core defense mechanism.  
 A vast list of crack-pot ideas, inflammatory, and/or conspiracy-driven dibble 
has unfolded and become in our lifetimes mainstream wisdom – a few, both large 
and small (may) include (not in any order of impact or importance:  the Snowden 
leaks, Pentagon Papers, Lewinsky’s blue dress, lack of weapons of mass 
destruction, Judith Bourque’s book, Iran-Contra, the Madoff scandal, genocides 
and mass murder of German concentration camps, Stalin, Mao, Khmer Rouge, Sudan, 
Native Americans, “California real-estate prices never go down”, the USDA’s 
food triangle, equal pay for equal work, segregation, JFK’s affairs, Watergate, 
MY Lai, black site prisons, priest pedophilia, the tech bubble (“you just don’t 
GET it”), the housing bubble, Goldman Sachs, the extent of regulatory capture, 
animals having emotions, Sandusky, celebrities coming out of the closet, the 
Higgs Boson, Masters and Johnson, a black president, LBJ’s decline seek 
re-election, the value of “health foods”, vegetarianism, yoga and meditation, 
game-changing technology, global climate change, etc. More so over the march of 
time – much of mainstream science came from those initially labeled heretics, 
crackpots, etc.
 Though many weird, strange, mind-blowing, unbelievable things have turned out 
to be true, that hardly means that all weird, strange, mind-blowing, 
unbelievable things are true.  
 Some core distinctions are willingness to systematically, without bias or 
agenda, challenge one’s own and society’s views, models of how the world works, 
prevailing understandings and conventional wisdom. These are high virtues, not 
something that is worthy of derision and labels such as conspiracy theories.. 
 However, it is hardly a virtue to be driven by conformational bias in 
assembling facts to form an apparent, though illusory random pattern in order 
to fulfill some inner need to cast blows against the empire, exude elitism, 
deride others, irrationally attempt to bring order and make sense of a seemly, 
at times, irrational challenging life and universe.
 A key distinction is whether one first shoots the arrow or paints the target, 
is open to considering all evidence, a willingness to change views as new 
evidence presents itself, always seeking to find alternative answers to explain 
and overturn one’s current pet POV, having a healthy sense of both skepticism 
and optimism, and  having an identity independent of a particular “truth”.   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

On 10/11/2014 02:10 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
*From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 




On 10/10/2014 06:59 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:
*From:* salyavin808  



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
,  
 wrote :


On 10/10/2014 01:04 PM, salyavin808 wrote:



Believe if you want that some billionaire in a cave in
Afghanistan ran the whole operation but that really sounds
wacky! :-D

Ran the whole operation? You mean got some guys to hijack a few
planes? It's too simple isn't it. That's the problem people
have, they can't believe that much destruction was caused by a
few maniacs in hijacked planes.


But it was not that simple.  And the alleged fliers couldn't even
fly a Cessna properly let alone a jet. Those planes were remote
controlled and such systems were available in advance of 9-11.

I disagree, I think they were telepathically controlled by the Space 
Brothers from their secret base on Pluto.


Weak minds glom onto conspiracy theories the same way that weak minds 
follow cult leaders. That's all anyone ever needs to know about 
discussions like this.


Are you inferring that I'm a weak mind, Barry? What's happened to you? 
Getting old and cranky and the contracts not showing up like they used 
too?



I am saying that a *tendency* to believe in conspiracy theories is a 
mental disorder strongly linked to the mental disorder that attracts 
people to cults. IMO, conspiracy theories offer those who tend to 
gravitate to them the same thing that cults do -- 1) easy "answers" to 
complex questions,


The "easy answer" would be the Official 9-11 Story or:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98

Those whose investigate 9-11 further have more complex answers so you 
have it a little backward.


and 2) the feeling of being "special," because you "know" the "truth" 
while lesser people don't.


No, we're just pointing out some interesting clues to a massive crime 
scene.  It is an educational effort.





There have been many studies of conspiracy theories and why they've 
become so popular. Here are a few articles on the subject. I really 
like one line from this first one: "The best predictor of belief in a 
/conspiracy theory/ is belief in other conspiracy theories..." That, 
for me, indicates a *strong* link between conspiracy nuts and 
cultists. Just think about Fairfield, and why *every* huckster selling 
New Age potions and seminars and techniques comes through town -- they 
do this because TMers, having been taught to believe *one* set of 
improbable things (dare I mention "levitation" and "butt bounce for 
peace"), are now primed to believe *more* improbable things. 
Fairfielders are well known in the U.S. as being the Biggest Suckers 
In The Country -- if you want to sell *anything* bizarre and New Agey, 
you take your snake oil routine to Fairfield. Well, I'm suggesting 
that the same is true of conspiracy nuts -- once you've bought into 
one of them, and felt all "special" because you know the "truth" and 
"lesser" people around you don't, you become an easy mark for the next 
conspiracy theory. And the next. And the next. And...


Why Rational People Buy Into Conspiracy Theories 




image 







Why Rational People Buy Into Conspiracy Theories 
 

Psychologists are beginning to unravel the mystery behind this brand 
of American political paranoia.


View on www.nytimes.com 



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This next article also agrees with my personal theories about 
conspiracy theories in another way: "Conspiracy theories offer easy 
answers by casting the world as simpler and more predictable than it 
is." Neither conspiracy nuts nor cultists like mysteries, things they 
"can't explain." So they tend to glom onto the first easy 
"explanation" to ease their cognitive dissonance.


Why People Believe in Conspiracy Theories 




image 







Why People Believe in Conspiracy Theories 
 

Conspiracy theories offer easy

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 10/10/2014 9:28 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
If 9-11 were an inside job then there would be plenty of funding to 
poison the well with sites like Rational Wiki.  I don't have time to 
look at all of it now and I'm sure someone else has gone through a 
debunked most of the holes here.  I see a couple already.

>
"If you don't agree with every single word of this guy's rant, YOU'RE 
FUCKED UP IN THE HEAD."


Duveyoung Wed, 08 Oct 2014 10:02:10 -0700
http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg332298.html

/"O'Keefe denied the plausibility that the September 11 attacks were 
committed by Osama bin Laden and the 19 hijackers. He claimed it was an 
inside job and that the US government and intelligence agencies, 
including Mossad were responsible./"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_O%27Keefe

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 10/10/2014 8:59 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
Weak minds glom onto conspiracy theories the same way that weak minds 
follow cult leaders. That's all anyone ever needs to know about 
discussions like this. 

>
/It sounds like Barry did a 180 and changed his mind about conspiracy 
theories. Go figure./


Subject: OT: Israel
From: John Manning
Group: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: 8/8/2003
http://tinyurl.com/qf5x6t9

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It is hardly mental disorder that leads people to spiritual organizations - If 
so, Barry would be among our sickest members. His perspective is always one of 
failure, of settling for less, if it beats a sharp stick in the eye, it'll do.  

 Barry, after having had some flashy stuff in his life, cannot rekindle that 
flame again (except with his self-created deadly enemy, TM), and so he goes on 
tiredly, poking a sad sort of fun, at any need for anyone to believe in, or 
seek, something greater than themselves, whatever its attributes.  

 He is desperately trying to settle for less, and have us all do the same. He 
walks forward, ever deeper, into his compressed past, as I walk backwards, into 
the future. 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 


   
 On 10/10/2014 06:59 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   From: salyavin808  mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 On 10/10/2014 01:04 PM, salyavin808 wrote:

   
 Believe if you want that some billionaire in a cave in Afghanistan ran the 
whole operation but that really sounds wacky! :-D 
 
 Ran the whole operation? You mean got some guys to hijack a few planes? It's 
too simple isn't it. That's the problem people have, they can't believe that 
much destruction was caused by a few maniacs in hijacked planes.






 
 But it was not that simple.  And the alleged fliers couldn't even fly a Cessna 
properly let alone a jet.  Those planes were remote controlled and such systems 
were available in advance of 9-11.I disagree, I think they were telepathically 
controlled by the Space Brothers from their secret base on Pluto.








 Weak minds glom onto conspiracy theories the same way that weak minds follow 
cult leaders. That's all anyone ever needs to know about discussions like this. 
 





 
 Are you inferring that I'm a weak mind, Barry?  What's happened to you?  
Getting old and cranky and the contracts not showing up like they used too?

I think our bawee has taken profound ownership of his own conspiracy theory and 
he seems to be sticking to it - like glue. 'Weak mindedness' seems to be the 
catch-all reason for most things that human beings do, in bawee's "mind" 
anyway. Thank God this man didn't enter the field of psychiatry. Can you 
imagine? His one diagnosis for everything, "You are weak minded, now get out of 
my office. Next." 
 






I am saying that a *tendency* to believe in conspiracy theories is a mental 
disorder strongly linked to the mental disorder that attracts people to cults. 
IMO, conspiracy theories offer those who tend to gravitate to them the same 
thing that cults do -- 1) easy "answers" to complex questions, and 2) the 
feeling of being "special," because you "know" the "truth" while lesser people 
don't. 

There have been many studies of conspiracy theories and why they've become so 
popular. Here are a few articles on the subject. I really like one line from 
this first one: "The best predictor of belief in a conspiracy theory is belief 
in other conspiracy theories..." That, for me, indicates a *strong* link 
between conspiracy nuts and cultists. Just think about Fairfield, and why 
*every* huckster selling New Age potions and seminars and techniques comes 
through town -- they do this because TMers, having been taught to believe *one* 
set of improbable things (dare I mention "levitation" and "butt bounce for 
peace"), are now primed to believe *more* improbable things. Fairfielders are 
well known in the U.S. as being the Biggest Suckers In The Country -- if you 
want to sell *anything* bizarre and New Agey, you take your snake oil routine 
to Fairfield. Well, I'm suggesting that the same is true of conspiracy nuts -- 
once you've bought into one of them, and felt all "special" because you know 
the "truth" and "lesser" people around you don't, you become an easy mark for 
the next conspiracy theory. And the next. And the next. And...

 Why Rational People Buy Into Conspiracy Theories 
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/magazine/why-rational-people-buy-into-conspiracy-theories.html?pagewanted=all


  
  
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/magazine/why-rational-people-buy-into-conspiracy-theories.html?pagewanted=all
  
  
  
  
  
 Why Rational People Buy Into Conspiracy Theories 
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/magazine/why-rational-people-buy-into-conspiracy-theories.html?pagewanted=all
 Psychologists are beginning to unravel the mystery behind this brand of 
American political paranoia.


 
 View on www.nytimes.com 
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/magazine/why-rational-people-buy-into-conspiracy-theories.html?pagewanted=all
 Preview by Yahoo
 
  




This next article also agrees with my personal theories about conspiracy 
theories in another way: "Conspiracy 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 


   
 On 10/10/2014 06:59 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   From: salyavin808  mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 On 10/10/2014 01:04 PM, salyavin808 wrote:

   
 Believe if you want that some billionaire in a cave in Afghanistan ran the 
whole operation but that really sounds wacky! :-D 
 
 Ran the whole operation? You mean got some guys to hijack a few planes? It's 
too simple isn't it. That's the problem people have, they can't believe that 
much destruction was caused by a few maniacs in hijacked planes.






 
 But it was not that simple.  And the alleged fliers couldn't even fly a Cessna 
properly let alone a jet.  Those planes were remote controlled and such systems 
were available in advance of 9-11.I disagree, I think they were telepathically 
controlled by the Space Brothers from their secret base on Pluto.








 Weak minds glom onto conspiracy theories the same way that weak minds follow 
cult leaders. That's all anyone ever needs to know about discussions like this. 
 





 
 Are you inferring that I'm a weak mind, Barry?  What's happened to you?  
Getting old and cranky and the contracts not showing up like they used too?

I think our bawee has taken profound ownership of his own conspiracy theory and 
he seems to be sticking to it - like glue. 'Weak mindedness' seems to be the 
catch-all reason for most things that human beings do, in bawee's "mind" 
anyway. Thank God this man didn't enter the field of psychiatry. Can you 
imagine? His one diagnosis for everything, "You are weak minded, now get out of 
my office. Next." 
 






I am saying that a *tendency* to believe in conspiracy theories is a mental 
disorder strongly linked to the mental disorder that attracts people to cults. 
IMO, conspiracy theories offer those who tend to gravitate to them the same 
thing that cults do -- 1) easy "answers" to complex questions, and 2) the 
feeling of being "special," because you "know" the "truth" while lesser people 
don't. 

There have been many studies of conspiracy theories and why they've become so 
popular. Here are a few articles on the subject. I really like one line from 
this first one: "The best predictor of belief in a conspiracy theory is belief 
in other conspiracy theories..." That, for me, indicates a *strong* link 
between conspiracy nuts and cultists. Just think about Fairfield, and why 
*every* huckster selling New Age potions and seminars and techniques comes 
through town -- they do this because TMers, having been taught to believe *one* 
set of improbable things (dare I mention "levitation" and "butt bounce for 
peace"), are now primed to believe *more* improbable things. Fairfielders are 
well known in the U.S. as being the Biggest Suckers In The Country -- if you 
want to sell *anything* bizarre and New Agey, you take your snake oil routine 
to Fairfield. Well, I'm suggesting that the same is true of conspiracy nuts -- 
once you've bought into one of them, and felt all "special" because you know 
the "truth" and "lesser" people around you don't, you become an easy mark for 
the next conspiracy theory. And the next. And the next. And...

 Why Rational People Buy Into Conspiracy Theories 
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/magazine/why-rational-people-buy-into-conspiracy-theories.html?pagewanted=all


  
  
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/magazine/why-rational-people-buy-into-conspiracy-theories.html?pagewanted=all
  
  
  
  
  
 Why Rational People Buy Into Conspiracy Theories 
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/magazine/why-rational-people-buy-into-conspiracy-theories.html?pagewanted=all
 Psychologists are beginning to unravel the mystery behind this brand of 
American political paranoia.


 
 View on www.nytimes.com 
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/magazine/why-rational-people-buy-into-conspiracy-theories.html?pagewanted=all
 Preview by Yahoo
 
  




This next article also agrees with my personal theories about conspiracy 
theories in another way: "Conspiracy theories offer easy answers by casting the 
world as simpler and more predictable than it is." Neither conspiracy nuts nor 
cultists like mysteries, things they "can't explain." So they tend to glom onto 
the first easy "explanation" to ease their cognitive dissonance. 

 Why People Believe in Conspiracy Theories 
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-people-believe-conspiracy-theories/


  
  
 
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-people-believe-conspiracy-theories/
  
  
  
  
  
 Why People Believe in Conspiracy Theories 
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-people-believe-conspiracy-theories/
 Conspiracy theories offer easy answers by casting the world as simpler and 
more predictable than it is. Their popularity may pose a thr

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 





 
On 10/10/2014 06:59 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
  
>From: salyavin808 
> 
>
>
>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
> 
>
>On 10/10/2014 01:04 PM, salyavin808 wrote:
> 
> 
>>  
>>>Believe if you want that some
  billionaire in a
  cave in Afghanistan ran the whole
  operation but that
  really sounds
  wacky! :-D 
>>> 
>>
>>>Ran the whole operation? You mean got some guys to hijack a few planes? It's 
>>>too simple isn't it. That's the problem people have, they can't believe that 
>>>much destruction was caused by a few maniacs in hijacked planes.
>>> 
>>But it was not that simple.  And the alleged fliers couldn't even fly a 
>>Cessna properly let alone a jet.  Those planes were remote controlled and 
>>such systems were available in advance of 9-11.I disagree, I think they were 
>>telepathically controlled by the Space Brothers from their secret base on 
>>Pluto.
>
> Weak minds glom onto conspiracy theories the same way that weak minds follow 
> cult leaders. That's all anyone ever needs to know about discussions like 
> this. 
>
Are you inferring that I'm a weak mind, Barry?  What's happened to you?  
Getting old and cranky and the contracts not showing up like they used too?


I am saying that a *tendency* to believe in conspiracy theories is a mental 
disorder strongly linked to the mental disorder that attracts people to cults. 
IMO, conspiracy theories offer those who tend to gravitate to them the same 
thing that cults do -- 1) easy "answers" to complex questions, and 2) the 
feeling of being "special," because you "know" the "truth" while lesser people 
don't. 

There have been many studies of conspiracy theories and why they've become so 
popular. Here are a few articles on the subject. I really like one line from 
this first one: "The best predictor of belief in a conspiracy theory is belief 
in other conspiracy theories..." That, for me, indicates a *strong* link 
between conspiracy nuts and cultists. Just think about Fairfield, and why 
*every* huckster selling New Age potions and seminars and techniques comes 
through town -- they do this because TMers, having been taught to believe *one* 
set of improbable things (dare I mention "levitation" and "butt bounce for 
peace"), are now primed to believe *more* improbable things. Fairfielders are 
well known in the U.S. as being the Biggest Suckers In The Country -- if you 
want to sell *anything* bizarre and New Agey, you take your snake oil routine 
to Fairfield. Well, I'm suggesting that the same is true of conspiracy nuts -- 
once you've bought into one of them, and felt
 all "special" because you know the "truth" and "lesser" people around you 
don't, you become an easy mark for the next conspiracy theory. And the next. 
And the next. And...


Why Rational People Buy Into Conspiracy Theories


  
 
Why Rational People Buy Into Conspiracy Theories
Psychologists are beginning to unravel the mystery behind this brand of 
American political paranoia.  
View on www.nytimes.com Preview by Yahoo  
  

This next article also agrees with my personal theories about conspiracy 
theories in another way: "Conspiracy theories offer easy answers by casting the 
world as simpler and more predictable than it is." Neither conspiracy nuts nor 
cultists like mysteries, things they "can't explain." So they tend to glom onto 
the first easy "explanation" to ease their cognitive dissonance. 


Why People Believe in Conspiracy Theories


  
 
Why People Believe in Conspiracy Theories
Conspiracy theories offer easy answers by casting the world as simpler and more 
predictable than it is. Their popularity may pose a threat to societal 
well-being  
View on www.scientificameri... Preview by Yahoo  
  
 And back to the particular conspiracy theory that started all this:


9/11 Conspiracy Theories: Why Do People Believe In September 11 Conspiracies?


  
 
9/11 Conspiracy Theories: Why Do People Believe In Septe...
A deeper look into why people believe in 9/11 conspiracy theories.  
View on www.ibtimes.com Preview by Yahoo  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Perhaps it might help if you know how things are done in the US.  Here's a 
movie out today about the Gary Webb, a newspaper reporter who exposed Iran 
Contra and later committed "suicide" (more likely suicided):
 

 Why more likely?
 

 I've said it before, governments do shady deals like this. They do it because 
they think it will ultimately do us (and them) a favour by tilting world 
influence away from unfriendly powers. Trouble is it might be technically 
illegal under international law so a bit of subterfuge is necessary. The CIA 
helped dispose of many governments that adopted left wing governments and 
deprived US companies of their money in favour of keeping it in the country. 
Iran, Guatemala, Chile etc..
 

 All this is known and the orders came from the top and none of it remained 
secret for very long. What you don't have with the 9/11 conspiracy is any sort 
of reason for it, or any sort of organisation that could do the job and keep it 
secret. But it's the point of the whole thing that baffles me. What did it 
achieve? They got rid of a few embarrassing documents, great but couldn't they 
have gone in at night or even ordered a member of staff to remove them as it 
was their building? And remote control planes just adds another huge layer of 
people that would have to keep quite.
 

  I'm English, I don't need telling that our government plays a double game on 
the world stage. But you have to see everything in a context of cost/benefit or 
you have to start inventing things to justify your beliefs and I think the 
"truthers" are far into that behaviour. Just think, if the buildings hadn't 
gone and collapsed this conversation wouldn't be happening. 
 
 http://youtu.be/VW4XO-52ubE http://youtu.be/VW4XO-52ubE
 
 Seems that the CIA has started to come forward and say that some of Webb's 
assertions were true:
 
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/10/gary-webb-dark-alliance_n_5961748.html 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/10/gary-webb-dark-alliance_n_5961748.html
 
 On 10/10/2014 01:26 PM, salyavin808 wrote:
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Salyavin, you're "reviewing the movie without having seen it" just  like Judy. 
 You say:
 

 BTW, I remember the movie well, I was near a TV on the day. Saw the whole 
thing, but not live. 
 
 
 I was working at the TM academy at the time and they didn't tell us it 
happened as there was a course on and didn't want to upset anybody! If we 
hadn't had someone staying for B&B to mention it over the evening meal I might 
never have heard about it at all. Maybe.. So I might have missed the first 
defining moment of the 21st century! 



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

On 10/10/2014 06:59 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

*From:* salyavin808 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

On 10/10/2014 01:04 PM, salyavin808 wrote:



Believe if you want that some billionaire in a cave in
Afghanistan ran the whole operation but that really sounds wacky!
:-D

Ran the whole operation? You mean got some guys to hijack a few
planes? It's too simple isn't it. That's the problem people have,
they can't believe that much destruction was caused by a few
maniacs in hijacked planes.


But it was not that simple.  And the alleged fliers couldn't even
fly a Cessna properly let alone a jet.  Those planes were remote
controlled and such systems were available in advance of 9-11.


I disagree, I think they were telepathically controlled by the
Space Brothers from their secret base on Pluto.



Weak minds glom onto conspiracy theories the same way that weak minds 
follow cult leaders. That's all anyone ever needs to know about 
discussions like this.




Actually it is weak minds who tend to believe what the government and 
mainstream media tells them.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

If 9-11 were an inside job then there would be plenty of funding to 
poison the well with sites like Rational Wiki.  I don't have time to 
look at all of it now and I'm sure someone else has gone through a 
debunked most of the holes here.  I see a couple already.


On 10/10/2014 06:55 PM, seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


While I am open to and inclined to believe that there is still a lot 
unknown about the 911 attacks, many of the arguments that Bhairitu 
makes appear to have substantial counter arguments as I have outlined 
below. .


A general criticism, not of Bhairitu’s arguments specifically, is 
voiced by Thomas W. Eagar, an engineering professor atMIT 
, 
[9/11 conspiracy advocates]"use the 'reverse scientific method'. They 
determine what happened, throw out all the data that doesn't fit their 
conclusion, and then hail their findings as the only possible 
conclusion." Eagar's criticisms also exemplify a common stance that 
the theories are best ignored. "I've told people that if the argument 
gets too mainstream, I'll engage in the debate." Michael Shermer, in 
/Scientific American 
/, said: "The 
mistaken belief that a handful of unexplained anomalies can undermine 
a well-established theory lies at the heart of all conspiratorial 
thinking. All the evidence for a 9/11 conspiracy falls under the 
rubric of this fallacy. Such notions are easily refuted by noting that 
scientific theories are not built on single facts alone but on a 
convergence of evidence assembled from multiple lines of inquiry.


If the following counter arguments don’t hold water, please explain, I 
am all ears.




1)1) Bhairitu: We allege it was a conspiracy by a faction in the 
government and some corporations.




Rational Wiki: [Regarding claims that] Powerful money/Bush
family/military-industrial conspirers did it, all of whom
needed a new war in the Middle East for various commercial
reasons (oil , arm sales,
real estate, precious bodily fluids etc.):  While it could
easily be said that "they" used 9/11 to create an
unrelatedIraq War ,
they did not blame theIraqis
, but al-Qaeda, which isn't
really as convenient if you want to declare war with Iraq and
not lose some friends. To quoteBill Maher
, "[That Bush had
prior knowledge of the 9/11 attacks] is an absurd statement,
because it contains the wordsBush andknowledge."

… the biggest problem is that for the Bush administration to enact 
such an abhorrent plot and keep it a secret would seem to require a 
level of competence they/never displayed at anything else/. While 
there is some evidence thatintelligence 
regarding 
the attack was ignored, that does not mean it was a nefarious plot. 
AsHeinlein said, "You have 
attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity 
."


The second problem is that if BushCo/did/stage the 9/11 attack, their 
failure to place the blame directly onSaddam Hussein 
's regime is rather 
baffling, since their alleged main "use" of 9/11 was to force the US 
into war with Iraq.



Rational Wiki: [Regarding claims that] It was carried out by
Mossad to galvanize US support for Israel and destroy their
enemies:  The story ofMossad
allegedly tellingJews
to stay home the day of the
attack, or that no Jews died in the attack, both of which are
false, brought this one forward (the most common of these
claims is that 4,000 Jews were warned to stay home).^[41]

However, as Bush was already one of the strongest
supportersIsrael has ever
had, it is questionable as to why they'd needmoreof his support.

The idea that the Jews were forewarned may originate in the fact that 
9/11 happened to fall at the end of the month of Elul, during the days 
leading up toRosh Hashanah 
, when 
observant Jews would have additionalprayers 
at their morning prayer services 
and therefore would likely be late to work. However, given that there 
were severalOrthodox 
minyanim (prayer 
groups) organized within the WTC, it is unclear how many, if any, Jews 
were away from the t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

On 10/10/2014 06:59 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

*From:* salyavin808 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

On 10/10/2014 01:04 PM, salyavin808 wrote:



Believe if you want that some billionaire in a cave in
Afghanistan ran the whole operation but that really sounds wacky!
:-D

Ran the whole operation? You mean got some guys to hijack a few
planes? It's too simple isn't it. That's the problem people have,
they can't believe that much destruction was caused by a few
maniacs in hijacked planes.


But it was not that simple.  And the alleged fliers couldn't even
fly a Cessna properly let alone a jet.  Those planes were remote
controlled and such systems were available in advance of 9-11.


I disagree, I think they were telepathically controlled by the
Space Brothers from their secret base on Pluto.



Weak minds glom onto conspiracy theories the same way that weak minds 
follow cult leaders. That's all anyone ever needs to know about 
discussions like this.


Are you inferring that I'm a weak mind, Barry?  What's happened to you?  
Getting old and cranky and the contracts not showing up like they used too?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: salyavin808 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


On 10/10/2014 01:04 PM, salyavin808
wrote:

  
>>Believe if you want that some
billionaire in a
cave in Afghanistan ran the whole operation but that
really sounds
wacky! :-D 
>>
>
>>Ran the whole
operation? You mean got some guys to hijack a few
planes? It's too simple isn't it. That's the problem
people have, they can't believe that much
destruction was caused by a few maniacs in hijacked
planes.
>>
>But it was not that simple.  And the alleged fliers couldn't even
fly a Cessna properly let alone a jet.  Those planes were remote
controlled and such systems were available in advance of 9-11.

>I disagree, I think they were telepathically controlled by the Space Brothers 
>from their secret base on Pluto.

>
>Weak minds glom onto conspiracy theories the same way that weak minds follow 
>cult leaders. That's all anyone ever needs to know about discussions like 
>this. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 While I am open to and inclined to believe that there is still a lot unknown 
about the 911 attacks, many of the arguments that Bhairitu makes appear to have 
substantial counter arguments as I have outlined below. .  
  
 A general criticism, not of Bhairitu’s arguments specifically, is voiced by 
Thomas W. Eagar, an engineering professor at MIT, [9/11 conspiracy 
advocates]"use the 'reverse scientific method'. They determine what happened, 
throw out all the data that doesn't fit their conclusion, and then hail their 
findings as the only possible conclusion." Eagar's criticisms also exemplify a 
common stance that the theories are best ignored. "I've told people that if the 
argument gets too mainstream, I'll engage in the debate." Michael Shermer, in 
Scientific American http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_American, said: 
"The mistaken belief that a handful of unexplained anomalies can undermine a 
well-established theory lies at the heart of all conspiratorial thinking. All 
the evidence for a 9/11 conspiracy falls under the rubric of this fallacy. Such 
notions are easily refuted by noting that scientific theories are not built on 
single facts alone but on a convergence of evidence assembled from multiple 
lines of inquiry. 
  
 If the following counter arguments don’t hold water, please explain, I am all 
ears. 
 
 
 
 1)1) Bhairitu: We allege it was a conspiracy by a faction in the 
government and some corporations.  
 
 Rational Wiki: [Regarding claims that] Powerful money/Bush 
family/military-industrial conspirers did it, all of whom needed a new war in 
the Middle East for various commercial reasons (oil 
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Oil, arm sales, real estate, precious bodily 
fluids etc.):  While it could easily be said that "they" used 9/11 to create an 
unrelated Iraq War http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Iraq_War, they did not blame 
the Iraqis http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Iraq, but al-Qaeda, which isn't really 
as convenient if you want to declare war with Iraq and not lose some friends. 
To quote Bill Maher http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Bill_Maher, "[That Bush had 
prior knowledge of the 9/11 attacks] is an absurd statement, because it 
contains the words Bush and knowledge."  
 …  the biggest problem is that for the Bush administration to enact such an 
abhorrent plot and keep it a secret would seem to require a level of competence 
they never displayed at anything else. While there is some evidence that 
intelligence http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Intelligence_(government) regarding 
the attack was ignored, that does not mean it was a nefarious plot. As Heinlein 
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Heinlein said, "You have attributed conditions to 
villainy that simply result from stupidity."
 The second problem is that if BushCo did stage the 9/11 attack, their failure 
to place the blame directly on Saddam Hussein 
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein's regime is rather baffling, since 
their alleged main "use" of 9/11 was to force the US into war with Iraq.
   Rational Wiki: [Regarding claims that] It was carried out by Mossad to 
galvanize US support for Israel and destroy their enemies:  The story of Mossad 
allegedly telling Jews http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jew to stay home the day of 
the attack, or that no Jews died in the attack, both of which are false, 
brought this one forward (the most common of these claims is that 4,000 Jews 
were warned to stay home).[41] 
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/9-11_conspiracy_theories#cite_note-40 However, as 
Bush was already one of the strongest supporters Israel has ever had, it is 
questionable as to why they'd need more of his support. The idea that the Jews 
were forewarned may originate in the fact that 9/11 happened to fall at the end 
of the month of Elul, during the days leading up to Rosh Hashanah 
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jewish_holidays#Rosh_Hashanah, when observant Jews 
would have additional prayers at their morning prayer services and therefore 
would likely be late to work. However, given that there were several Orthodox 
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Orthodox_Judaism minyanim (prayer groups) 
organized within the WTC, it is unclear how many, if any, Jews were away from 
the towers due to prayer services. Then again, if Mossad had wanted to destroy 
the towers when there were no Jews in them, they could simply have waited a few 
days until Rosh Hashanah or Yom Kippur http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur, 
when practically no Jews would have been at work.
  
  
 9/11 conspiracy theories(Wiki): In 2006, members of the group Scholars for 
9/11 Truth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scholars_for_9/11_Truth argued that a 
group of US neo-conservatives called the Project for a New American Century 
(PNAC), which included Paul Wolfowitz 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Rumsfeld, set on US world dominance 

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I think what you are saying Sal, is that you are susceptible to celebrity 
endorsements. 

 You are looking a little transparent, son.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Ah, celebrity endorsement. It must be true!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Should cause some commotion here:
 http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/ 
http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Salyavin, you're "reviewing the movie without having seen it" just  like Judy. 
 You say:
 
 The only thing I believe about the government is that they are incapable of 
planning and executing such a sophisticated and cynical plot. Rigging buildings 
to collapse like a traditional demolition but only after planes had flown into 
them? And without ever practising! What would have happened if the buildings 
fell over when the planes hit? The nuclear weapons would have been seen 
exploding! Bit risky for the plotters.
 
 This is because you don't actually know what 9-11 investigators allege.  We 
allege it was a conspiracy by a faction in the government and some 
corporations.  The planes were a cover and they alone would not have collapsed 
the building.  See, Mr. Science, you don't even know that the buildings were 
designed to take a hit by those size planes.  This because a large plane hit 
the Empire State by accident back in the 1940s but italso didn't sustain much 
damage from that.  So they made sure future buildings were also built to take 
such hits.
 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
 Also planes hitting the building would not have made them fall over.  To do 
that is a bit tricky and they hit too high to do that.  Thus it required 
demolition to complete the job.  It is alleged that Flight 93 was supposed to 
hit WTC 7 where the operation was run from and it was also the principal target 
because it contained documents that the perpetrators didn't want investigated.  
When the Flight 93 got shot down (no it didn't crash) then they had to "pull" 
the building (as soon as the operations team got out).  Silverstein goofed and 
said they had to "pull" building.  It wouldn't be possible to set the building 
up for demolition under those conditions and that fast.  It was set up in 
advance.
 
 Most of us know that a large jet liner could not have maneuvered to hit the 
Pentagon.  There would have been crash debris and a much larger hole.  It was 
most likely a missile.  Some folks claim they saw a plane but that too may have 
been the operations plane flying over at the time (and one was seen in the 
vicinity).
 
 Your knowledge of modern tactical nuclear weapons is a bit lacking.  They 
would necessarily exposed the perps to any danger setting them up.
 
 I've spent  over 10 years on this subject and  have many reference materials 
if you want to argue more and get an education.
 
 Believe if you want that some billionaire in a cave in Afghanistan ran the 
whole operation but that really sounds wacky! :-D 
 
 

 



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 10/10/2014 2:54 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
We allege it was a conspiracy by a faction in the government and some 
corporations.

>
/We allege that the U.S. Government can't even design a web site, much 
less conduct a secret conspiracy to demolish the WTC./

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

All Lynch has to do is ask Salyavin since he has it all figured out. :-D

On 10/10/2014 03:09 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:



You probably don't know him very well, he's a very private fellow. The 
last thing he would do is to create a shock for the sake of publicity.
He was asked a question and gave his honest opinion; the hole in 
Pentagon wasn't big enough for a plane to have crashed, why did 3 huge 
buildings collapse when only two were hit by planes and why were there 
no wreckage or skidmarks on the ground from the plane that supposedly 
went down in Pennsylvania.

Like Lynch said; we need answers, that's all.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Lynch is asking very important questions.  There appears to be a 
conspiracy or government coverup.   He should try to prove the doubts 
he has about the 911 scenario.


Or, he could have been trying to sell his new movie to the public. 
 He's doing the shock and awe tactics for publicity sake.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Should cause some commotion here:
http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Perhaps it might help if you know how things are done in the US.  Here's 
a movie out today about the Gary Webb, a newspaper reporter who exposed 
Iran Contra and later committed "suicide" (more likely suicided):


http://youtu.be/VW4XO-52ubE

Seems that the CIA has started to come forward and say that some of 
Webb's assertions were true:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/10/gary-webb-dark-alliance_n_5961748.html

On 10/10/2014 01:26 PM, salyavin808 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Salyavin, you're "reviewing the movie without having seen it" just  
like Judy.  You say:


BTW, I remember the movie well, I was near a TV on the day. Saw the 
whole thing, but not live.


I was working at the TM academy at the time and they didn't tell us it 
happened as there was a course on and didn't want to upset anybody! If 
we hadn't had someone staying for B&B to mention it over the evening 
meal I might never have heard about it at all. Maybe.. So I might 
have missed the first defining moment of the 21st century!

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[nablusoss1008]

 You probably don't know him very well, he's a very private fellow. The last 
thing he would do is to create a shock for the sake of publicity. 
 He was asked a question and gave his honest opinion; the hole in Pentagon 
wasn't big enough for a plane to have crashed, why did 3 huge buildings 
collapse when only two were hit by planes and why were there no wreckage or 
skidmarks on the ground from the plane that supposedly went down in 
Pennsylvania. 
 Like Lynch said; we need answers, that's all.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 
 Lynch is asking very important questions.  There appears to be a conspiracy or 
government coverup.   He should try to prove the doubts he has about the 911 
scenario.
 

 Or, he could have been trying to sell his new movie to the public.  He's doing 
the shock and awe tactics for publicity sake.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Should cause some commotion here:
 http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/ 
http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[nablusoss1008]

He is certainly giving voice to 2-3 important questions many are asking
 Twin Peaks Creator Questions 9/11 
http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/

 
 
 http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/ 
 
 Twin Peaks Creator Questions 9/11 
http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/ Famed Hollywood 
director casts doubt on government narrative.
 
 
 
 View on www.infowars.com 
http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/ 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I was being facetious just to see what Sal would say. I think if MI6 was to 
have done it, they could have make it look as tho they had drownt in a bathtub 
- why make it messy and public?




 From: "Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11
 


  
Yay, MJ, we finally agree on something! I don't know if it was M16, etc. but 
pretty sure "they" couldn't allow it. 



On Friday, October 10, 2014 3:50 PM, salyavin808  
wrote:
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Everyone knows Lady Di's death was orchestrated by MI6 on the orders of the 
Duke of Edinburgh, the Prince of Wales and Lady Sarah McCorquodale cuz they 
couldn't stand the thought of a Muzzlim gittn' in the britches of the Princess. 
That's what Mohamed al Fayed said anyways!


Here's a fascinating insight into how conspiracy theories are worked out:

That Mitchell and Webb Look - Diana Assassination
 
   That Mitchell and Webb Look - Diana Assassination  
That Mitchel and Webb Look- Season 4- Episode 6 This isn't taking the piss out 
of Princess Diana but in fact the idiots who believe in conspiracy theories 
so...  
View on www.youtube.comPreview by Yahoo
 




 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11



 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


There are lots of celebrities who
question the 9-11 story.  I liked the time that Mos Def was on
Bill Maher and mentioned he didn't believe the official story. 
That sort of put Maher between a rock and a hard place because he
like Mos but goes unglued over the  9-11 allegations.  Maher even
had some audience folks thrown out because they yelled it was an
"inside job."

Oh and BTW, I bought both of the remote viewing episodes from
Courtney Brown.  It's more about the process the two remote
viewers went through and very interesting.  One point I wonder
about though was if one of them remote viewed the war room for the
war game that day which would have had nothing to do with the
false flag.
   
But keep eating the peanuts and believing your guvmint and the big
corporations who represent the truth.

The only thing I believe about the government is that they are incapable of 
planning and executing such a sophisticated and cynical plot. Rigging buildings 
to collapse like a traditional demolition but only after planes had flown into 
them? And without ever practising! What would have happened if the buildings 
fell over when the planes hit? The nuclear weapons would have been seen 
exploding! Bit risky for the plotters.

You got to be on more than peanuts to take any of it even remotely seriously. 

Basically something shit happened and it's hard to take on board so someone has 
to be to blamed. Just as with Lady Di, that had to be an inside job - even 
though none of it made any sense - otherwise it's all just so pointless and 
destructive. Much better if the government are behind it. Something to get 
excited about.


>
>On 10/10/2014 11:14 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
>>
 
>
>
>Ah, celebrity endorsement. It must
be true!
>
>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
>
>
>Should cause some commotion
here:
>http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 10/10/2014 01:04 PM, salyavin808 wrote:

   

 
 


 
 Believe if you want that some billionaire in a cave in Afghanistan ran the 
whole operation but that really sounds wacky! :-D 
 
 Ran the whole operation? You mean got some guys to hijack a few planes? It's 
too simple isn't it. That's the problem people have, they can't believe that 
much destruction was caused by a few maniacs in hijacked planes.






 
 But it was not that simple.  And the alleged fliers couldn't even fly a Cessna 
properly let alone a jet.  Those planes were remote controlled and such systems 
were available in advance of 9-11. I disagree, I think they were telepathically 
controlled by the Space Brothers from their secret base on Pluto. 
 
 How are things at MI5 these days?  :-D 
 
 On 10/10/2014 12:09 PM, salyavin808 wrote:
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 There are lots of celebrities who question the 9-11 story.  I liked the time 
that Mos Def was on Bill Maher and mentioned he didn't believe the official 
story.  That sort of put Maher between a rock and a hard place because he like 
Mos but goes unglued over the  9-11 allegations.  Maher even had some audience 
folks thrown out because they yelled it was an "inside job."
 
 Oh and BTW, I bought both of the remote viewing episodes from Courtney Brown.  
It's more about the process the two remote viewers went through and very 
interesting.  One point I wonder about though was if one of them remote viewed 
the war room for the war game that day which would have had nothing to do with 
the false flag.

 But keep eating the peanuts and believing your guvmint and the big 
corporations who represent the truth.
 

 The only thing I believe about the government is that they are incapable of 
planning and executing such a sophisticated and cynical plot. Rigging buildings 
to collapse like a traditional demolition but only after planes had flown into 
them? And without ever practising! What would have happened if the buildings 
fell over when the planes hit? The nuclear weapons would have been seen 
exploding! Bit risky for the plotters.
 
 
 You got to be on more than peanuts to take any of it even remotely seriously. 
 
 
 Basically something shit happened and it's hard to take on board so someone 
has to be to blamed. Just as with Lady Di, that had to be an inside job - even 
though none of it made any sense - otherwise it's all just so pointless and 
destructive. Much better if the government are behind it. Something to get 
excited about.
 
 On 10/10/2014 11:14 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
 
   

 Ah, celebrity endorsement. It must be true!
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Should cause some commotion here:
 http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/ 
http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/


 



 





 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yay, MJ, we finally agree on something! I don't know if it was M16, etc. but 
pretty sure "they" couldn't allow it. 



On Friday, October 10, 2014 3:50 PM, salyavin808  
wrote:
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Everyone knows Lady Di's death was orchestrated by MI6 on the orders of the 
Duke of Edinburgh, the Prince of Wales and Lady Sarah McCorquodale cuz they 
couldn't stand the thought of a Muzzlim gittn' in the britches of the Princess. 
That's what Mohamed al Fayed said anyways!


Here's a fascinating insight into how conspiracy theories are worked out:

That Mitchell and Webb Look - Diana Assassination
 
   That Mitchell and Webb Look - Diana Assassination  
That Mitchel and Webb Look- Season 4- Episode 6 This isn't taking the piss out 
of Princess Diana but in fact the idiots who believe in conspiracy theories 
so...  
View on www.youtube.comPreview by Yahoo
 




 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11



 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


There are lots of celebrities who
question the 9-11 story.  I liked the time that Mos Def was on
Bill Maher and mentioned he didn't believe the official story. 
That sort of put Maher between a rock and a hard place because he
like Mos but goes unglued over the  9-11 allegations.  Maher even
had some audience folks thrown out because they yelled it was an
"inside job."

Oh and BTW, I bought both of the remote viewing episodes from
Courtney Brown.  It's more about the process the two remote
viewers went through and very interesting.  One point I wonder
about though was if one of them remote viewed the war room for the
war game that day which would have had nothing to do with the
false flag.
   
But keep eating the peanuts and believing your guvmint and the big
corporations who represent the truth.

The only thing I believe about the government is that they are incapable of 
planning and executing such a sophisticated and cynical plot. Rigging buildings 
to collapse like a traditional demolition but only after planes had flown into 
them? And without ever practising! What would have happened if the buildings 
fell over when the planes hit? The nuclear weapons would have been seen 
exploding! Bit risky for the plotters.

You got to be on more than peanuts to take any of it even remotely seriously. 

Basically something shit happened and it's hard to take on board so someone has 
to be to blamed. Just as with Lady Di, that had to be an inside job - even 
though none of it made any sense - otherwise it's all just so pointless and 
destructive. Much better if the government are behind it. Something to get 
excited about.


>
>On 10/10/2014 11:14 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
>>
 
>
>
>Ah, celebrity endorsement. It must
be true!
>
>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
>
>
>Should cause some commotion
here:
>http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Everyone knows Lady Di's death was orchestrated by MI6 on the orders of the 
Duke of Edinburgh, the Prince of Wales and Lady Sarah McCorquodale cuz they 
couldn't stand the thought of a Muzzlim gittn' in the britches of the Princess. 
That's what Mohamed al Fayed said anyways!

 

 Here's a fascinating insight into how conspiracy theories are worked out:
 

 That Mitchell and Webb Look - Diana Assassination 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4meFC1ee7Q 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4meFC1ee7Q 
 
 That Mitchell and Webb Look - Diana Assassination 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4meFC1ee7Q That Mitchel and Webb Look- Season 
4- Episode 6 This isn't taking the piss out of Princess Diana but in fact the 
idiots who believe in conspiracy theories so...
 
 
 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4meFC1ee7Q 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 3:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There are lots of celebrities who question the 9-11 story.  I liked the time 
that Mos Def was on Bill Maher and mentioned he didn't believe the official 
story.  That sort of put Maher between a rock and a hard place because he like 
Mos but goes unglued over the  9-11 allegations.  Maher even had some audience 
folks thrown out because they yelled it was an "inside job."
 
 Oh and BTW, I bought both of the remote viewing episodes from Courtney Brown.  
It's more about the process the two remote viewers went through and very 
interesting.  One point I wonder about though was if one of them remote viewed 
the war room for the war game that day which would have had nothing to do with 
the false flag.

 But keep eating the peanuts and believing your guvmint and the big 
corporations who represent the truth.
 

 The only thing I believe about the government is that they are incapable of 
planning and executing such a sophisticated and cynical plot. Rigging buildings 
to collapse like a traditional demolition but only after planes had flown into 
them? And without ever practising! What would have happened if the buildings 
fell over when the planes hit? The nuclear weapons would have been seen 
exploding! Bit risky for the plotters.
 

 You got to be on more than peanuts to take any of it even remotely seriously. 
 

 Basically something shit happened and it's hard to take on board so someone 
has to be to blamed. Just as with Lady Di, that had to be an inside job - even 
though none of it made any sense - otherwise it's all just so pointless and 
destructive. Much better if the government are behind it. Something to get 
excited about.
 
 On 10/10/2014 11:14 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
 
   

 Ah, celebrity endorsement. It must be true!
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Should cause some commotion here:
 http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/ 
http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/


 



 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

On 10/10/2014 01:04 PM, salyavin808 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Salyavin, you're "reviewing the movie without having seen it" just  
like Judy.  You say:


The only thing I believe about the government is that they are 
incapable of planning and executing such a sophisticated and cynical 
plot. Rigging buildings to collapse like a traditional demolition but 
only after planes had flown into them? And without ever practising! 
What would have happened if the buildings fell over when the planes 
hit? The nuclear weapons would have been seen exploding! Bit risky for 
the plotters.


This is because you don't actually know what 9-11 investigators 
allege.  We allege it was a conspiracy by a faction in the government 
and some corporations.  The planes were a cover and they alone would 
not have collapsed the building.  See, Mr. Science, you don't even 
know that the buildings were designed to take a hit by those size 
planes. This because a large plane hit the Empire State by accident 
back in the 1940s but it also didn't sustain much damage from that.  
So they made sure future buildings were also built to take such hits.


Also planes hitting the building would not have made them fall over.  
To do that is a bit tricky and they hit too high to do that.  Thus it 
required demolition to complete the job.  It is alleged that Flight 93 
was supposed to hit WTC 7 where the operation was run from and it was 
also the principal target because it contained documents that the 
perpetrators didn't want investigated.  When the Flight 93 got shot 
down (no it didn't crash) then they had to "pull" the building (as 
soon as the operations team got out).  Silverstein goofed and said 
they had to "pull" building.  It wouldn't be possible to set the 
building up for demolition under those conditions and that fast.  It 
was set up in advance.


Most of us know that a large jet liner could not have maneuvered to 
hit the Pentagon.  There would have been crash debris and a much 
larger hole.  It was most likely a missile. Some folks claim they saw 
a plane but that too may have been the operations plane flying over at 
the time (and one was seen in the vicinity).


Do you have any idea how desperate this sounds? Maybe that's part of 
it, it's all so ridiculous no one would ever believe it!


Do you know what the word "may" means?  It's a theory, Sal.  Some people 
have claimed to have seen a plane but it might have been an operations 
plane (a tanker).  Nice cover up.  Also many airline pilots have said 
that it would  have been impossible for even an experienced pilot to fly 
that could have hit the Pentagon.  So why has the FBI not released the 
numerous security videos they confiscated from surrounding businesses.  
The wing that was hit was about to start their yearly accounting of 
finances and there were alleged trillions of dollars missing.  Very 
suspicious.




Your knowledge of modern tactical nuclear weapons is a bit lacking.  
They would necessarily exposed the perps to any danger setting them up.


But you wouldn't know how the buildings would react if they set them 
off, It's all preposterous. I can't imagine what your government has 
done to make you so convinced they harbour such evil geniuses.


OMG, such devices were tested and even in the news years before 9-11.



I've spent  over 10 years on this subject and have many reference 
materials if you want to argue more and get an education.


Believe if you want that some billionaire in a cave in Afghanistan ran 
the whole operation but that really sounds wacky! :-D


Ran the whole operation? You mean got some guys to hijack a few 
planes? It's too simple isn't it. That's the problem people have, they 
can't believe that much destruction was caused by a few maniacs in 
hijacked planes.


But it was not that simple.  And the alleged fliers couldn't even fly a 
Cessna properly let alone a jet.  Those planes were remote controlled 
and such systems were available in advance of 9-11.


How are things at MI5 these days? :-D


On 10/10/2014 12:09 PM, salyavin808 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
,  
 wrote :


There are lots of celebrities who question the 9-11 story.  I liked 
the time that Mos Def was on Bill Maher and mentioned he didn't 
believe the official story. That sort of put Maher between a rock and 
a hard place because he like Mos but goes unglued over the  9-11 
allegations. Maher even had some audience folks thrown out because 
they yelled it was an "inside job."


Oh and BTW, I bought both of the remote viewing episodes from 
Courtney Brown.  It's more about the process the two remote viewers 
went through and very interesting. One point I wonder about though 
was if one of them remote viewed the war room for the war game that 
day which would have had nothing to do with the false flag.


But keep eating the peanuts and believing your guvmint a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

What is B&B as relates to a residence course or WPA? And did the course leaders 
give the person any crap for telling about it?




 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Salyavin, you're "reviewing the movie
without having seen it" just  like Judy.  You say:


BTW, I remember the movie well, I was near a TV on the day. Saw the whole 
thing, but not live. 

I was working at the TM academy at the time and they didn't tell us it happened 
as there was a course on and didn't want to upset anybody! If we hadn't had 
someone staying for B&B to mention it over the evening meal I might never have 
heard about it at all. Maybe.. So I might have missed the first defining 
moment of the 21st century! 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I can't imagine what your government has done to make you so convinced they 
harbour such evil geniuses.

I think its mainly the fact that Dick Cheny orchestrated the Patriot Act and 
used his behind the curtain powers to see to it that we invaded Afghanistan and 
especially Iraq, not so much for the oil as to be able to award all the 
"rebuilding" contracts to his old company Haliburton and its subsidiaries - he 
and they made billions off that deal.




 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Salyavin, you're "reviewing the movie
without having seen it" just  like Judy.  You say:

The only thing I believe
about the government is that they are incapable of planning and
executing such a sophisticated and cynical plot. Rigging
buildings to collapse like a traditional demolition but only
after planes had flown into them? And without ever practising!
What would have happened if the buildings fell over when the
planes hit? The nuclear weapons would have been seen exploding!
Bit risky for the plotters.

This is because you don't actually know
what 9-11 investigators allege.  We allege it was a conspiracy
by a faction in the government and some corporations.  The
planes were a cover and they alone would not have collapsed
the building.  See, Mr. Science, you don't even know that the
buildings were designed to take a hit by those size planes. 
This because a large plane hit the Empire State by accident
back in the 1940s but it also didn't sustain much damage from
that.  So they made sure future buildings were also built to
take such hits.

Also planes hitting the building would not have made them fall
over.  To do that is a bit tricky and they hit too high to do
that.  Thus it required demolition to complete the job.  It is
alleged that Flight 93 was supposed to hit WTC 7 where the
operation was run from and it was also the principal target
because it contained documents that the perpetrators didn't
want investigated.  When the Flight 93 got shot down (no it
didn't crash) then they had to "pull" the building (as soon as
the operations team got out).  Silverstein goofed and said
they had to "pull" building.  It wouldn't be possible to set
the building up for demolition under those conditions and that
fast.  It was set up in advance.

Most of us know that a large jet liner could not have
maneuvered to hit the Pentagon.  There would have been crash
debris and a much larger hole.  It was most likely a missile. 
Some folks claim they saw a plane but that too may have been
the operations plane flying over at the time (and one was seen
in the vicinity).

Do you have any idea how desperate this sounds? Maybe that's part of it, it's 
all so ridiculous no one would ever believe it!

Your knowledge of modern tactical nuclear weapons is a bit
lacking.  They would necessarily exposed the perps to any
danger setting them up.

But you wouldn't know how the buildings would react if they set them off, It's 
all preposterous. I can't imagine what your government has done to make you so 
convinced they harbour such evil geniuses.

I've spent  over 10 years on this subject and  have many
reference materials if you want to argue more and get an
education.

Believe if you want that some billionaire in a
cave in Afghanistan ran the whole operation but that really sounds
wacky! :-D 

Ran the whole operation? You mean got some guys to hijack a few planes? It's 
too simple isn't it. That's the problem people have, they can't believe that 
much destruction was caused by a few maniacs in hijacked planes.


On 10/10/2014 12:09 PM, salyavin808 wrote:
>
 
>
>
>
>
>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
>
>
>There
are lots of celebrities who
question the 9-11 story.  I liked the time that Mos
Def was on
Bill Maher and mentioned he didn't believe the
official story. 
That sort of put Maher between a rock and a hard place
because he
like Mos but goes unglued over the  9-11 allegations. 
Maher even
had some audience folks thrown out because they yelled
it was an
"inside job."
>
>Oh and BTW, I bought both of the remote viewing
episodes from
Courtney Brown.  It's more about the process the two
remote
viewers went through and very interesting.  One point
I wonder
about though was if one of them remote viewed the war
room for the
war game that day which would have had nothing to do
with the
false flag.
>   
>But keep eating the peanuts and believing your guvmint
and the big
corporations who represent the truth.
>
>
>The only thing I
believe about the government is that they are
incapable of planning and executing such a
sophisticated and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Everyone knows Lady Di's death was orchestrated by MI6 on the orders of the 
Duke of Edinburgh, the Prince of Wales and Lady Sarah McCorquodale cuz they 
couldn't stand the thought of a Muzzlim gittn' in the britches of the Princess. 
That's what Mohamed al Fayed said anyways!




 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


There are lots of celebrities who
question the 9-11 story.  I liked the time that Mos Def was on
Bill Maher and mentioned he didn't believe the official story. 
That sort of put Maher between a rock and a hard place because he
like Mos but goes unglued over the  9-11 allegations.  Maher even
had some audience folks thrown out because they yelled it was an
"inside job."

Oh and BTW, I bought both of the remote viewing episodes from
Courtney Brown.  It's more about the process the two remote
viewers went through and very interesting.  One point I wonder
about though was if one of them remote viewed the war room for the
war game that day which would have had nothing to do with the
false flag.
   
But keep eating the peanuts and believing your guvmint and the big
corporations who represent the truth.

The only thing I believe about the government is that they are incapable of 
planning and executing such a sophisticated and cynical plot. Rigging buildings 
to collapse like a traditional demolition but only after planes had flown into 
them? And without ever practising! What would have happened if the buildings 
fell over when the planes hit? The nuclear weapons would have been seen 
exploding! Bit risky for the plotters.

You got to be on more than peanuts to take any of it even remotely seriously. 

Basically something shit happened and it's hard to take on board so someone has 
to be to blamed. Just as with Lady Di, that had to be an inside job - even 
though none of it made any sense - otherwise it's all just so pointless and 
destructive. Much better if the government are behind it. Something to get 
excited about.


On 10/10/2014 11:14 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
>
 
>
>
>Ah, celebrity endorsement. It must
be true!
>
>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
>
>
>Should cause some commotion
here:
>http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Salyavin, you're "reviewing the movie without having seen it" just  like Judy. 
 You say:
 

 BTW, I remember the movie well, I was near a TV on the day. Saw the whole 
thing, but not live. 
 

 I was working at the TM academy at the time and they didn't tell us it 
happened as there was a course on and didn't want to upset anybody! If we 
hadn't had someone staying for B&B to mention it over the evening meal I might 
never have heard about it at all. Maybe.. So I might have missed the first 
defining moment of the 21st century! 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Salyavin, you're "reviewing the movie without having seen it" just  like Judy. 
 You say:
 
 The only thing I believe about the government is that they are incapable of 
planning and executing such a sophisticated and cynical plot. Rigging buildings 
to collapse like a traditional demolition but only after planes had flown into 
them? And without ever practising! What would have happened if the buildings 
fell over when the planes hit? The nuclear weapons would have been seen 
exploding! Bit risky for the plotters.
 
 This is because you don't actually know what 9-11 investigators allege.  We 
allege it was a conspiracy by a faction in the government and some 
corporations.  The planes were a cover and they alone would not have collapsed 
the building.  See, Mr. Science, you don't even know that the buildings were 
designed to take a hit by those size planes.  This because a large plane hit 
the Empire State by accident back in the 1940s but it also didn't sustain much 
damage from that.  So they made sure future buildings were also built to take 
such hits.
 
 Also planes hitting the building would not have made them fall over.  To do 
that is a bit tricky and they hit too high to do that.  Thus it required 
demolition to complete the job.  It is alleged that Flight 93 was supposed to 
hit WTC 7 where the operation was run from and it was also the principal target 
because it contained documents that the perpetrators didn't want investigated.  
When the Flight 93 got shot down (no it didn't crash) then they had to "pull" 
the building (as soon as the operations team got out).  Silverstein goofed and 
said they had to "pull" building.  It wouldn't be possible to set the building 
up for demolition under those conditions and that fast.  It was set up in 
advance.
 
 Most of us know that a large jet liner could not have maneuvered to hit the 
Pentagon.  There would have been crash debris and a much larger hole.  It was 
most likely a missile.  Some folks claim they saw a plane but that too may have 
been the operations plane flying over at the time (and one was seen in the 
vicinity).
 

 Do you have any idea how desperate this sounds? Maybe that's part of it, it's 
all so ridiculous no one would ever believe it!
 
 Your knowledge of modern tactical nuclear weapons is a bit lacking.  They 
would necessarily exposed the perps to any danger setting them up.
 

 But you wouldn't know how the buildings would react if they set them off, It's 
all preposterous. I can't imagine what your government has done to make you so 
convinced they harbour such evil geniuses.
 
 I've spent  over 10 years on this subject and  have many reference materials 
if you want to argue more and get an education.
 
 Believe if you want that some billionaire in a cave in Afghanistan ran the 
whole operation but that really sounds wacky! :-D 
 
Ran the whole operation? You mean got some guys to hijack a few planes? It's 
too simple isn't it. That's the problem people have, they can't believe that 
much destruction was caused by a few maniacs in hijacked planes.
 
 On 10/10/2014 12:09 PM, salyavin808 wrote:
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 There are lots of celebrities who question the 9-11 story.  I liked the time 
that Mos Def was on Bill Maher and mentioned he didn't believe the official 
story.  That sort of put Maher between a rock and a hard place because he like 
Mos but goes unglued over the  9-11 allegations.  Maher even had some audience 
folks thrown out because they yelled it was an "inside job."
 
 Oh and BTW, I bought both of the remote viewing episodes from Courtney Brown.  
It's more about the process the two remote viewers went through and very 
interesting.  One point I wonder about though was if one of them remote viewed 
the war room for the war game that day which would have had nothing to do with 
the false flag.

 But keep eating the peanuts and believing your guvmint and the big 
corporations who represent the truth.
 

 The only thing I believe about the government is that they are incapable of 
planning and executing such a sophisticated and cynical plot. Rigging buildings 
to collapse like a traditional demolition but only after planes had flown into 
them? And without ever practising! What would have happened if the buildings 
fell over when the planes hit? The nuclear weapons would have been seen 
exploding! Bit risky for the plotters.
 
 
 You got to be on more than peanuts to take any of it even remotely seriously. 
 
 
 Basically something shit happened and it's hard to take on board so someone 
has to be to blamed. Just as with Lady Di, that had to be an inside job - even 
though none of it made any sense - otherwise it's all just so pointless and 
destructive. Much better if the government are behind it. Something to get 
excited about.
 
 On 10/10/2014 11:14

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Salyavin, you're "reviewing the movie without having seen it" just  like 
Judy.  You say:


The only thing I believe about the government is that they are incapable 
of planning and executing such a sophisticated and cynical plot. Rigging 
buildings to collapse like a traditional demolition but only after 
planes had flown into them? And without ever practising! What would have 
happened if the buildings fell over when the planes hit? The nuclear 
weapons would have been seen exploding! Bit risky for the plotters.


This is because you don't actually know what 9-11 investigators allege.  
We allege it was a conspiracy by a faction in the government and some 
corporations.  The planes were a cover and they alone would not have 
collapsed the building.  See, Mr. Science, you don't even know that the 
buildings were designed to take a hit by those size planes. This because 
a large plane hit the Empire State by accident back in the 1940s but it 
also didn't sustain much damage from that.  So they made sure future 
buildings were also built to take such hits.


Also planes hitting the building would not have made them fall over.  To 
do that is a bit tricky and they hit too high to do that.  Thus it 
required demolition to complete the job.  It is alleged that Flight 93 
was supposed to hit WTC 7 where the operation was run from and it was 
also the principal target because it contained documents that the 
perpetrators didn't want investigated.  When the Flight 93 got shot down 
(no it didn't crash) then they had to "pull" the building (as soon as 
the operations team got out).  Silverstein goofed and said they had to 
"pull" building.  It wouldn't be possible to set the building up for 
demolition under those conditions and that fast.  It was set up in advance.


Most of us know that a large jet liner could not have maneuvered to hit 
the Pentagon.  There would have been crash debris and a much larger 
hole.  It was most likely a missile. Some folks claim they saw a plane 
but that too may have been the operations plane flying over at the time 
(and one was seen in the vicinity).


Your knowledge of modern tactical nuclear weapons is a bit lacking.  
They would necessarily exposed the perps to any danger setting them up.


I've spent  over 10 years on this subject and  have many reference 
materials if you want to argue more and get an education.


Believe if you want that some billionaire in a cave in Afghanistan ran 
the whole operation but that really sounds wacky! :-D



On 10/10/2014 12:09 PM, salyavin808 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

There are lots of celebrities who question the 9-11 story.  I liked 
the time that Mos Def was on Bill Maher and mentioned he didn't 
believe the official story. That sort of put Maher between a rock and 
a hard place because he like Mos but goes unglued over the  9-11 
allegations. Maher even had some audience folks thrown out because 
they yelled it was an "inside job."


Oh and BTW, I bought both of the remote viewing episodes from Courtney 
Brown.  It's more about the process the two remote viewers went 
through and very interesting.  One point I wonder about though was if 
one of them remote viewed the war room for the war game that day which 
would have had nothing to do with the false flag.


But keep eating the peanuts and believing your guvmint and the big 
corporations who represent the truth.


The only thing I believe about the government is that they are 
incapable of planning and executing such a sophisticated and cynical 
plot. Rigging buildings to collapse like a traditional demolition but 
only after planes had flown into them? And without ever practising! 
What would have happened if the buildings fell over when the planes 
hit? The nuclear weapons would have been seen exploding! Bit risky for 
the plotters.


You got to be on more than peanuts to take any of it even remotely 
seriously.


Basically something shit happened and it's hard to take on board so 
someone has to be to blamed. Just as with Lady Di, that had to be an 
inside job - even though none of it made any sense - otherwise it's 
all just so pointless and destructive. Much better if the government 
are behind it. Something to get excited about.


On 10/10/2014 11:14 AM, salyavin808 wrote:



Ah, celebrity endorsement. It must be true!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
,  
 wrote :


Should cause some commotion here:
http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There are lots of celebrities who question the 9-11 story.  I liked the time 
that Mos Def was on Bill Maher and mentioned he didn't believe the official 
story.  That sort of put Maher between a rock and a hard place because he like 
Mos but goes unglued over the  9-11 allegations.  Maher even had some audience 
folks thrown out because they yelled it was an "inside job."
 
 Oh and BTW, I bought both of the remote viewing episodes from Courtney Brown.  
It's more about the process the two remote viewers went through and very 
interesting.  One point I wonder about though was if one of them remote viewed 
the war room for the war game that day which would have had nothing to do with 
the false flag.

 But keep eating the peanuts and believing your guvmint and the big 
corporations who represent the truth.
 

 The only thing I believe about the government is that they are incapable of 
planning and executing such a sophisticated and cynical plot. Rigging buildings 
to collapse like a traditional demolition but only after planes had flown into 
them? And without ever practising! What would have happened if the buildings 
fell over when the planes hit? The nuclear weapons would have been seen 
exploding! Bit risky for the plotters.
 

 You got to be on more than peanuts to take any of it even remotely seriously. 
 

 Basically something shit happened and it's hard to take on board so someone 
has to be to blamed. Just as with Lady Di, that had to be an inside job - even 
though none of it made any sense - otherwise it's all just so pointless and 
destructive. Much better if the government are behind it. Something to get 
excited about.
 
 On 10/10/2014 11:14 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
 
   

 Ah, celebrity endorsement. It must be true!
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Should cause some commotion here:
 http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/ 
http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/


 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

['Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 1:37 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

 

  

There are lots of celebrities who question the 9-11 story.  I liked the time 
that Mos Def was on Bill Maher and mentioned he didn't believe the official 
story.  That sort of put Maher between a rock and a hard place because he like 
Mos but goes unglued over the  9-11 allegations.  Maher even had some audience 
folks thrown out because they yelled it was an "inside job."

 

Maher got slammed and had to grovel to keep his job after 9/11 when he 
commented that it took courage to fly those planes into the buildings.



Oh and BTW, I bought both of the remote viewing episodes from Courtney Brown.  
It's more about the process the two remote viewers went through and very 
interesting.  One point I wonder about though was if one of them remote viewed 
the war room for the war game that day which would have had nothing to do with 
the false flag.
   
But keep eating the peanuts and believing your guvmint and the big corporations 
who represent the truth.

On 10/10/2014 11:14 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

  

 

Ah, celebrity endorsement. It must be true!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> ,  
<mailto:noozguru@...>  wrote :

Should cause some commotion here:
http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

There are lots of celebrities who question the 9-11 story.  I liked the 
time that Mos Def was on Bill Maher and mentioned he didn't believe the 
official story. That sort of put Maher between a rock and a hard place 
because he like Mos but goes unglued over the  9-11 allegations.  Maher 
even had some audience folks thrown out because they yelled it was an 
"inside job."


Oh and BTW, I bought both of the remote viewing episodes from Courtney 
Brown.  It's more about the process the two remote viewers went through 
and very interesting.  One point I wonder about though was if one of 
them remote viewed the war room for the war game that day which would 
have had nothing to do with the false flag.


But keep eating the peanuts and believing your guvmint and the big 
corporations who represent the truth.


On 10/10/2014 11:14 AM, salyavin808 wrote:



Ah, celebrity endorsement. It must be true!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Should cause some commotion here:
http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Alex Jones broadcasts out of Austin, Texas.  I don't know when he did 
the interview with Lynch.  David Duchovny in drag?  That was before The 
X-Files.  Jones knows a lot of Hollywood people and they sometimes 
appear on his show: Ed Asner, Richard Belzer, Mike Judge (does a Hank 
Hill promo for Infowars), Charlie Sheen, etc.  Alex appears in two 
Richard Linklater films: "Waking Life" and "A Scanner Darkly".


The radio show (which can be streamed free) is far more entertaining 
than the crap on mainstream media.


On 10/10/2014 11:02 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


MJ,


For this particular radio program, he might have been promoting the 
local TM rajah in the Netherlands.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Here's hoping he will combine his 9-11 questions with his TM pitches 
"If we had more politicians doing TM, they wouldn't lie about things 
like 9-11! We need answers! I get mine from hallucinations I have of 
midgets talking to me in my dreams! Do TM! It'll save the world!"



*From:* "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 1:31 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11


Lynch is asking very important questions.  There appears to be a 
conspiracy or government coverup.   He should try to prove the doubts 
he has about the 911 scenario.


Or, he could have been trying to sell his new movie to the public. 
 He's doing the shock and awe tactics for publicity sake.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Should cause some commotion here:
http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[salyavin808]

 Ah, celebrity endorsement. It must be true!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Should cause some commotion here:
 http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/ 
http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Good! The more stuff he blabbers about that mainstream people don't like will 
give less credibility to his TM sales pitches.




 From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11
 


  
MJ,

For this particular radio program, he might have been promoting the local TM 
rajah in the Netherlands.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Here's hoping he will combine his 9-11 questions with his TM pitches "If we had 
more politicians doing TM, they wouldn't lie about things like 9-11! We need 
answers! I get mine from hallucinations I have of midgets talking to me in my 
dreams! Do TM! It'll save the world!"




 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 1:31 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11



 


Lynch is asking very important questions.  There appears to be a conspiracy or 
government coverup.   He should try to prove the doubts he has about the 911 
scenario.

Or, he could have been trying to sell his new movie to the public.  He's doing 
the shock and awe tactics for publicity sake.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Should cause some commotion here:
http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

MJ, 

 For this particular radio program, he might have been promoting the local TM 
rajah in the Netherlands.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Here's hoping he will combine his 9-11 questions with his TM pitches "If we 
had more politicians doing TM, they wouldn't lie about things like 9-11! We 
need answers! I get mine from hallucinations I have of midgets talking to me in 
my dreams! Do TM! It'll save the world!"

 

 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 1:31 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11
 
 
   

 Lynch is asking very important questions.  There appears to be a conspiracy or 
government coverup.   He should try to prove the doubts he has about the 911 
scenario.
 

 Or, he could have been trying to sell his new movie to the public.  He's doing 
the shock and awe tactics for publicity sake.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Should cause some commotion here:
 http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/ 
http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/


 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Here's hoping he will combine his 9-11 questions with his TM pitches "If we had 
more politicians doing TM, they wouldn't lie about things like 9-11! We need 
answers! I get mine from hallucinations I have of midgets talking to me in my 
dreams! Do TM! It'll save the world!"




 From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 1:31 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11
 


  


Lynch is asking very important questions.  There appears to be a conspiracy or 
government coverup.   He should try to prove the doubts he has about the 911 
scenario.

Or, he could have been trying to sell his new movie to the public.  He's doing 
the shock and awe tactics for publicity sake.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Should cause some commotion here:
http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Questions 9-11

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 Lynch is asking very important questions.  There appears to be a conspiracy or 
government coverup.   He should try to prove the doubts he has about the 911 
scenario.
 

 Or, he could have been trying to sell his new movie to the public.  He's doing 
the shock and awe tactics for publicity sake.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Should cause some commotion here:
 http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/ 
http://www.infowars.com/twin-peaks-creator-questions-911/

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM

[obbajeeba]

Yeah, whew. Back on topic.  
Bhahahahaha!  What am I laughing at?

Share, I only posted a link shared with me from a film maker. 
Now I am expert teacher?  OH wait, the saying goes something like this; "Those 
who can't do, teach?"

Share, they (the program grandiose) need someone soft and cuddly like Bubby 
Roth (intentional misspelling) or the Bush man, with their fluffy ways to 
"teach," the Intro. Also, I believe there are enough interns up there or out at 
the Hollywood branch to do that Intro teaching stuff?

Success is helping the students realize their potential and to keep plugging 
away at it, even if the path takes them seemingly a bit too far off the 
plantation of limelight, that their desire and to keep their eye on the ball, 
even when the chips are down. Yes, I have proven this ability in a "teaching," 
mode. Although it does take a willing student (student having the drive) and 
that willing student needs to be nourished in his/her own direction without the 
instructors saying how the student should do it. 

Honestly, and beyond my critical negative jive, I think the idea sounds good, 
the film program. 

 I reckon beyond the first handful of DL groupies to partially fill the club, 
and maybe a few more in the domes; 
 (Buck's plea to increase the dome numbers by dropping some of the rules as he 
mentions, would help get more students there. 
Otherwise it will be the clicky group feeling like 
Fairywood-in-the-Cornfied and not draw much more attention past the first year.)
 I could lend a hand, but I warn you, they will go running the other way for 
reasons beyond my control and nothing I have done, just "maybe," a few black 
listed (quietly in the TMO) suggestive words and thoughts posted on FFL 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNeED-Fd6zA I would be shunned, avoided, and 
have to hide in a tree until the coast is clear. I would like to come out and 
play.

Have their people contact my people and we can talk business. ;)






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Whew! Close call, thank you! We mustn't dare go off topic! Funny Farm Lounge 
> might implode! Anyway, IMHO Obbajee you must teach the Intro to Film Making  
> for new David Lynch MA in Film and include this list. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: obbajeeba 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:06 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
>  
> 
> 
>   
> All this mushy stuff is sending this thread off topic!  Cut!
> Here, is a nice article a good friend of mine shared with me.
> Business management is very important.
> 
> http://www.raindance.org/8-mistakes-filmmakers-make-that-kill-their-careers/
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> >
> > Thank you, Share. 
> > Whatever is happening, I don't know nothin. :)
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > For me Obbajee, it's simply that you're a good influence. But could be 
> > > the Rahu Guru thingie too (-:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: obbajeeba 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 2:39 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > MJ, 
> > > A phenomenon played out today. A miracle? 
> > > What is it called? 
> > > How did you go from being, "a clown, a buffoon, Mr. Stupid," (as 
> > > mentioned in below post.) to Hollywood movie mogul future material, 
> > > exceptional screenplay writer, in the matter of such a short time, today, 
> > > Sunday, August 4, 2013, in the eyes of past naysayers? 
> > > 
> > > Like a light switch!  lol
> > > Whatever happened, I am happy to see so many getting along here! :)
> > > 
> > > Can anyone explain the Jyotish significance to this? 
> > > Is this the Tula Rahu ninth house aspect approaching Guru in Mithuna?
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > No, the problem is that you can't write clearly. Even when you try to 
> > > > explain yourself, it all comes out as a muddle. If I were you, Jackson, 
> > > > I would give it up. You are a laughingstock on this board -- a clown, a 
> > > > buffoon, Mr. Stupid. 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM

[Share Long]

feste, I'm with Doc on this one, thinking and hoping that Buck is pulling the 
FFL collective leg simply because he has written so much about the TMO leaders 
being the crux of the problem of low numbers in the Dome. Sometimes I think, 
and again hope, that Buck is The Most Ironic of Us All as in : Mirror, mirror 
on the wall, who's the ironiest of us all? OTOH, if you need help with finding 
a good therapist or healer, etc., just give a holler. I'm in the know (-: 





 From: feste37 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 8:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
 


  


You are too kind . . .  I was thinking I would have to go into therapy since 
Buck has just identified me and others like me as the source of the "problem." 
I'm not even sure what the problem is, so obviously I am in need of some help. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Well feste, Obbajee mentioned being mushy but I guess I gotta go with that at 
> least one more time and say that not only are you looking the best I've ever 
> seen you look on the outside, but on the inside too IMHO (-:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: feste37 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 6:14 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> 
> 
> 
>   
> Actually, MJ, that was a pretty good story you posted. I deleted my post Obba 
> refers to below because it was too mean-spirited. You and I do in fact have 
> things in common: we both learned TM when we were seventeen, our fathers 
> disapproved, and we were at MIU during roughly the same time period. I am 
> sorry you got disillusioned with it all. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Nabby and Feste still despise me, so it all balances out.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ____________
> >  From: obbajeeba 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 3:39 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > MJ, 
> > A phenomenon played out today. A miracle? 
> > What is it called? 
> > How did you go from being, "a clown, a buffoon, Mr. Stupid," (as mentioned 
> > in below post.) to Hollywood movie mogul future material, exceptional 
> > screenplay writer, in the matter of such a short time, today, Sunday, 
> > August 4, 2013, in the eyes of past naysayers? 
> > 
> > Like a light switch!  lol
> > Whatever happened, I am happy to see so many getting along here! :)
> > 
> > Can anyone explain the Jyotish significance to this? 
> > Is this the Tula Rahu ninth house aspect approaching Guru in Mithuna?
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > >
> > > No, the problem is that you can't write clearly. Even when you try to 
> > > explain yourself, it all comes out as a muddle. If I were you, Jackson, I 
> > > would give it up. You are a laughingstock on this board -- a clown, a 
> > > buffoon, Mr. Stupid. 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Evidently you have trouble with reading comprehension, or perhaps the 
> > > > concept I am expressing is too advanced for you. Given the utter 
> > > > revilement you have expressed towards me for things I have said about 
> > > > the Old Faker (marshy) it is not a stretch to call you his sycophant. 
> > > > 
> > > > As to the other remark, I did not nor have I ever accused you of saying 
> > > > that you believe marshy's teachings run true. 
> > > > 
> > > > What I said was that marshy's teachings run true, meaning that while he 
> > > > espoused all this alignment with the laws of nature, spontaneous right 
> > > > action and enlightenment crap, what actually comes out of TM is more 
> > > > often the behavior of elitism, arrogance, taking license to break laws 
> > > > when convenient, lying, cheating and stealing. 
> > > > 
> > > > Thus, the teachings are running true, meaning that the teachings 
> > > > espouse good values and energy yet they actually produce somethings 
> > > > crappy. 
> > > > 
> > > > Thus you, who in the past have said how great marshy is and how good TM 
> > > > is, then revile people like one of those ignorant toothless folk Ravi 
> > > > sometim

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM

[feste37]

You are too kind . . .  I was thinking I would have to go into therapy since 
Buck has just identified me and others like me as the source of the "problem." 
I'm not even sure what the problem is, so obviously I am in need of some help. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Well feste, Obbajee mentioned being mushy but I guess I gotta go with that at 
> least one more time and say that not only are you looking the best I've ever 
> seen you look on the outside, but on the inside too IMHO (-:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: feste37 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 6:14 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
>  
> 
> 
>   
> Actually, MJ, that was a pretty good story you posted. I deleted my post Obba 
> refers to below because it was too mean-spirited. You and I do in fact have 
> things in common: we both learned TM when we were seventeen, our fathers 
> disapproved, and we were at MIU during roughly the same time period. I am 
> sorry you got disillusioned with it all. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Nabby and Feste still despise me, so it all balances out.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________
> >  From: obbajeeba 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 3:39 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > MJ, 
> > A phenomenon played out today. A miracle? 
> > What is it called? 
> > How did you go from being, "a clown, a buffoon, Mr. Stupid," (as mentioned 
> > in below post.) to Hollywood movie mogul future material, exceptional 
> > screenplay writer, in the matter of such a short time, today, Sunday, 
> > August 4, 2013, in the eyes of past naysayers? 
> > 
> > Like a light switch!  lol
> > Whatever happened, I am happy to see so many getting along here! :)
> > 
> > Can anyone explain the Jyotish significance to this? 
> > Is this the Tula Rahu ninth house aspect approaching Guru in Mithuna?
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > >
> > > No, the problem is that you can't write clearly. Even when you try to 
> > > explain yourself, it all comes out as a muddle. If I were you, Jackson, I 
> > > would give it up. You are a laughingstock on this board -- a clown, a 
> > > buffoon, Mr. Stupid. 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Evidently you have trouble with reading comprehension, or perhaps the 
> > > > concept I am expressing is too advanced for you. Given the utter 
> > > > revilement you have expressed towards me for things I have said about 
> > > > the Old Faker (marshy) it is not a stretch to call you his sycophant. 
> > > > 
> > > > As to the other remark, I did not nor have I ever accused you of saying 
> > > > that you believe marshy's teachings run true. 
> > > > 
> > > > What I said was that marshy's teachings run true, meaning that while he 
> > > > espoused all this alignment with the laws of nature, spontaneous right 
> > > > action and enlightenment crap, what actually comes out of TM is more 
> > > > often the behavior of elitism, arrogance, taking license to break laws 
> > > > when convenient, lying, cheating and stealing. 
> > > > 
> > > > Thus, the teachings are running true, meaning that the teachings 
> > > > espouse good values and energy yet they actually produce somethings 
> > > > crappy. 
> > > > 
> > > > Thus you, who in the past have said how great marshy is and how good TM 
> > > > is, then revile people like one of those ignorant toothless folk Ravi 
> > > > sometimes mentions. 
> > > > 
> > > > So one would think that if TM and Marshy's teaching are real sho nuff 
> > > > good and you did 'em, they would produce speech and writing from you 
> > > > worthy of world peace, not jailhouse lingo. Thus we see in your writing 
> > > > and revilement of those who don't care for marshy and his con games 
> > > > that the TM teachings are running according to their true nature.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  F

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM

[Share Long]

Well feste, Obbajee mentioned being mushy but I guess I gotta go with that at 
least one more time and say that not only are you looking the best I've ever 
seen you look on the outside, but on the inside too IMHO (-:





 From: feste37 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 6:14 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
 


  
Actually, MJ, that was a pretty good story you posted. I deleted my post Obba 
refers to below because it was too mean-spirited. You and I do in fact have 
things in common: we both learned TM when we were seventeen, our fathers 
disapproved, and we were at MIU during roughly the same time period. I am sorry 
you got disillusioned with it all. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Nabby and Feste still despise me, so it all balances out.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: obbajeeba 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 3:39 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> 
> 
> 
>   
> MJ, 
> A phenomenon played out today. A miracle? 
> What is it called? 
> How did you go from being, "a clown, a buffoon, Mr. Stupid," (as mentioned in 
> below post.) to Hollywood movie mogul future material, exceptional screenplay 
> writer, in the matter of such a short time, today, Sunday, August 4, 2013, in 
> the eyes of past naysayers? 
> 
> Like a light switch!  lol
> Whatever happened, I am happy to see so many getting along here! :)
> 
> Can anyone explain the Jyotish significance to this? 
> Is this the Tula Rahu ninth house aspect approaching Guru in Mithuna?
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > No, the problem is that you can't write clearly. Even when you try to 
> > explain yourself, it all comes out as a muddle. If I were you, Jackson, I 
> > would give it up. You are a laughingstock on this board -- a clown, a 
> > buffoon, Mr. Stupid. 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Evidently you have trouble with reading comprehension, or perhaps the 
> > > concept I am expressing is too advanced for you. Given the utter 
> > > revilement you have expressed towards me for things I have said about the 
> > > Old Faker (marshy) it is not a stretch to call you his sycophant. 
> > > 
> > > As to the other remark, I did not nor have I ever accused you of saying 
> > > that you believe marshy's teachings run true. 
> > > 
> > > What I said was that marshy's teachings run true, meaning that while he 
> > > espoused all this alignment with the laws of nature, spontaneous right 
> > > action and enlightenment crap, what actually comes out of TM is more 
> > > often the behavior of elitism, arrogance, taking license to break laws 
> > > when convenient, lying, cheating and stealing. 
> > > 
> > > Thus, the teachings are running true, meaning that the teachings espouse 
> > > good values and energy yet they actually produce somethings crappy. 
> > > 
> > > Thus you, who in the past have said how great marshy is and how good TM 
> > > is, then revile people like one of those ignorant toothless folk Ravi 
> > > sometimes mentions. 
> > > 
> > > So one would think that if TM and Marshy's teaching are real sho nuff 
> > > good and you did 'em, they would produce speech and writing from you 
> > > worthy of world peace, not jailhouse lingo. Thus we see in your writing 
> > > and revilement of those who don't care for marshy and his con games that 
> > > the TM teachings are running according to their true nature.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: feste37 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:58 AM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > One of your many problems is that you ascribe to people things they have 
> > > never said and positions they do not hold. I don't do TM, for a start, 
> > > although I have done in the past. Nor have I ever said of MMY that "his 
> > > teachings always run true," although your post is so badly written that 
> > > it's hard to know whether you are trying to attribute that to me or not. 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM

[Share Long]

Whew! Close call, thank you! We mustn't dare go off topic! Funny Farm Lounge 
might implode! Anyway, IMHO Obbajee you must teach the Intro to Film Making  
for new David Lynch MA in Film and include this list. 





 From: obbajeeba 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:06 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
 


  
All this mushy stuff is sending this thread off topic!  Cut!
Here, is a nice article a good friend of mine shared with me.
Business management is very important.

http://www.raindance.org/8-mistakes-filmmakers-make-that-kill-their-careers/

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
> Thank you, Share. 
> Whatever is happening, I don't know nothin. :)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > For me Obbajee, it's simply that you're a good influence. But could be the 
> > Rahu Guru thingie too (-:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: obbajeeba 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 2:39 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > MJ, 
> > A phenomenon played out today. A miracle? 
> > What is it called? 
> > How did you go from being, "a clown, a buffoon, Mr. Stupid," (as mentioned 
> > in below post.) to Hollywood movie mogul future material, exceptional 
> > screenplay writer, in the matter of such a short time, today, Sunday, 
> > August 4, 2013, in the eyes of past naysayers? 
> > 
> > Like a light switch!  lol
> > Whatever happened, I am happy to see so many getting along here! :)
> > 
> > Can anyone explain the Jyotish significance to this? 
> > Is this the Tula Rahu ninth house aspect approaching Guru in Mithuna?
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > >
> > > No, the problem is that you can't write clearly. Even when you try to 
> > > explain yourself, it all comes out as a muddle. If I were you, Jackson, I 
> > > would give it up. You are a laughingstock on this board -- a clown, a 
> > > buffoon, Mr. Stupid. 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Evidently you have trouble with reading comprehension, or perhaps the 
> > > > concept I am expressing is too advanced for you. Given the utter 
> > > > revilement you have expressed towards me for things I have said about 
> > > > the Old Faker (marshy) it is not a stretch to call you his sycophant. 
> > > > 
> > > > As to the other remark, I did not nor have I ever accused you of saying 
> > > > that you believe marshy's teachings run true. 
> > > > 
> > > > What I said was that marshy's teachings run true, meaning that while he 
> > > > espoused all this alignment with the laws of nature, spontaneous right 
> > > > action and enlightenment crap, what actually comes out of TM is more 
> > > > often the behavior of elitism, arrogance, taking license to break laws 
> > > > when convenient, lying, cheating and stealing. 
> > > > 
> > > > Thus, the teachings are running true, meaning that the teachings 
> > > > espouse good values and energy yet they actually produce somethings 
> > > > crappy. 
> > > > 
> > > > Thus you, who in the past have said how great marshy is and how good TM 
> > > > is, then revile people like one of those ignorant toothless folk Ravi 
> > > > sometimes mentions. 
> > > > 
> > > > So one would think that if TM and Marshy's teaching are real sho nuff 
> > > > good and you did 'em, they would produce speech and writing from you 
> > > > worthy of world peace, not jailhouse lingo. Thus we see in your writing 
> > > > and revilement of those who don't care for marshy and his con games 
> > > > that the TM teachings are running according to their true nature.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  From: feste37 
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:58 AM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > One of your many problems is that y

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM

[obbajeeba]

All this mushy stuff is sending this thread off topic!  Cut!
Here, is a nice article a good friend of mine shared with me.
Business management is very important.

http://www.raindance.org/8-mistakes-filmmakers-make-that-kill-their-careers/

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
> Thank you, Share. 
> Whatever is happening, I don't know nothin. :)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > For me Obbajee, it's simply that you're a good influence. But could be the 
> > Rahu Guru thingie too (-:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: obbajeeba 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 2:39 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > MJ, 
> > A phenomenon played out today. A miracle? 
> > What is it called? 
> > How did you go from being, "a clown, a buffoon, Mr. Stupid," (as mentioned 
> > in below post.) to Hollywood movie mogul future material, exceptional 
> > screenplay writer, in the matter of such a short time, today, Sunday, 
> > August 4, 2013, in the eyes of past naysayers? 
> > 
> > Like a light switch!  lol
> > Whatever happened, I am happy to see so many getting along here! :)
> > 
> > Can anyone explain the Jyotish significance to this? 
> > Is this the Tula Rahu ninth house aspect approaching Guru in Mithuna?
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > >
> > > No, the problem is that you can't write clearly. Even when you try to 
> > > explain yourself, it all comes out as a muddle. If I were you, Jackson, I 
> > > would give it up. You are a laughingstock on this board -- a clown, a 
> > > buffoon, Mr. Stupid. 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Evidently you have trouble with reading comprehension, or perhaps the 
> > > > concept I am expressing is too advanced for you. Given the utter 
> > > > revilement you have expressed towards me for things I have said about 
> > > > the Old Faker (marshy) it is not a stretch to call you his sycophant. 
> > > > 
> > > > As to the other remark, I did not nor have I ever accused you of saying 
> > > > that you believe marshy's teachings run true. 
> > > > 
> > > > What I said was that marshy's teachings run true, meaning that while he 
> > > > espoused all this alignment with the laws of nature, spontaneous right 
> > > > action and enlightenment crap, what actually comes out of TM is more 
> > > > often the behavior of elitism, arrogance, taking license to break laws 
> > > > when convenient, lying, cheating and stealing. 
> > > > 
> > > > Thus, the teachings are running true, meaning that the teachings 
> > > > espouse good values and energy yet they actually produce somethings 
> > > > crappy. 
> > > > 
> > > > Thus you, who in the past have said how great marshy is and how good TM 
> > > > is, then revile people like one of those ignorant toothless folk Ravi 
> > > > sometimes mentions. 
> > > > 
> > > > So one would think that if TM and Marshy's teaching are real sho nuff 
> > > > good and you did 'em, they would produce speech and writing from you 
> > > > worthy of world peace, not jailhouse lingo. Thus we see in your writing 
> > > > and revilement of those who don't care for marshy and his con games 
> > > > that the TM teachings are running according to their true nature.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  From: feste37 
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:58 AM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > One of your many problems is that you ascribe to people things they 
> > > > have never said and positions they do not hold. I don't do TM, for a 
> > > > start, although I have done in the past. Nor have I ever said of MMY 
> > > > that "his teachings always run true," although your post is so badly 
> > > > written that it's hard to know whether you are trying 

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM

[feste37]

I was faculty. I was never a fanatic, though. I couldn't relate to the 
hard-liners but in general they left me alone. The group I related best to was 
the students. We had some brilliant students at MIU back then in the 1980s. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> were you student or staff or both?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: feste37 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 7:14 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
>  
> 
> 
>   
> Actually, MJ, that was a pretty good story you posted. I deleted my post Obba 
> refers to below because it was too mean-spirited. You and I do in fact have 
> things in common: we both learned TM when we were seventeen, our fathers 
> disapproved, and we were at MIU during roughly the same time period. I am 
> sorry you got disillusioned with it all. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Nabby and Feste still despise me, so it all balances out.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: obbajeeba 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 3:39 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > MJ, 
> > A phenomenon played out today. A miracle? 
> > What is it called? 
> > How did you go from being, "a clown, a buffoon, Mr. Stupid," (as mentioned 
> > in below post.) to Hollywood movie mogul future material, exceptional 
> > screenplay writer, in the matter of such a short time, today, Sunday, 
> > August 4, 2013, in the eyes of past naysayers? 
> > 
> > Like a light switch!  lol
> > Whatever happened, I am happy to see so many getting along here! :)
> > 
> > Can anyone explain the Jyotish significance to this? 
> > Is this the Tula Rahu ninth house aspect approaching Guru in Mithuna?
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > >
> > > No, the problem is that you can't write clearly. Even when you try to 
> > > explain yourself, it all comes out as a muddle. If I were you, Jackson, I 
> > > would give it up. You are a laughingstock on this board -- a clown, a 
> > > buffoon, Mr. Stupid. 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Evidently you have trouble with reading comprehension, or perhaps the 
> > > > concept I am expressing is too advanced for you. Given the utter 
> > > > revilement you have expressed towards me for things I have said about 
> > > > the Old Faker (marshy) it is not a stretch to call you his sycophant. 
> > > > 
> > > > As to the other remark, I did not nor have I ever accused you of saying 
> > > > that you believe marshy's teachings run true. 
> > > > 
> > > > What I said was that marshy's teachings run true, meaning that while he 
> > > > espoused all this alignment with the laws of nature, spontaneous right 
> > > > action and enlightenment crap, what actually comes out of TM is more 
> > > > often the behavior of elitism, arrogance, taking license to break laws 
> > > > when convenient, lying, cheating and stealing. 
> > > > 
> > > > Thus, the teachings are running true, meaning that the teachings 
> > > > espouse good values and energy yet they actually produce somethings 
> > > > crappy. 
> > > > 
> > > > Thus you, who in the past have said how great marshy is and how good TM 
> > > > is, then revile people like one of those ignorant toothless folk Ravi 
> > > > sometimes mentions. 
> > > > 
> > > > So one would think that if TM and Marshy's teaching are real sho nuff 
> > > > good and you did 'em, they would produce speech and writing from you 
> > > > worthy of world peace, not jailhouse lingo. Thus we see in your writing 
> > > > and revilement of those who don't care for marshy and his con games 
> > > > that the TM teachings are running according to their true nature.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  From: feste37 
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:58 AM
> > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM

[obbajeeba]

Thank you, Share. 
Whatever is happening, I don't know nothin. :)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> For me Obbajee, it's simply that you're a good influence. But could be the 
> Rahu Guru thingie too (-:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: obbajeeba 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 2:39 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
>  
> 
> 
>   
> MJ, 
> A phenomenon played out today. A miracle? 
> What is it called? 
> How did you go from being, "a clown, a buffoon, Mr. Stupid," (as mentioned in 
> below post.) to Hollywood movie mogul future material, exceptional screenplay 
> writer, in the matter of such a short time, today, Sunday, August 4, 2013, in 
> the eyes of past naysayers? 
> 
> Like a light switch!  lol
> Whatever happened, I am happy to see so many getting along here! :)
> 
> Can anyone explain the Jyotish significance to this? 
> Is this the Tula Rahu ninth house aspect approaching Guru in Mithuna?
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > No, the problem is that you can't write clearly. Even when you try to 
> > explain yourself, it all comes out as a muddle. If I were you, Jackson, I 
> > would give it up. You are a laughingstock on this board -- a clown, a 
> > buffoon, Mr. Stupid. 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Evidently you have trouble with reading comprehension, or perhaps the 
> > > concept I am expressing is too advanced for you. Given the utter 
> > > revilement you have expressed towards me for things I have said about the 
> > > Old Faker (marshy) it is not a stretch to call you his sycophant. 
> > > 
> > > As to the other remark, I did not nor have I ever accused you of saying 
> > > that you believe marshy's teachings run true. 
> > > 
> > > What I said was that marshy's teachings run true, meaning that while he 
> > > espoused all this alignment with the laws of nature, spontaneous right 
> > > action and enlightenment crap, what actually comes out of TM is more 
> > > often the behavior of elitism, arrogance, taking license to break laws 
> > > when convenient, lying, cheating and stealing. 
> > > 
> > > Thus, the teachings are running true, meaning that the teachings espouse 
> > > good values and energy yet they actually produce somethings crappy. 
> > > 
> > > Thus you, who in the past have said how great marshy is and how good TM 
> > > is, then revile people like one of those ignorant toothless folk Ravi 
> > > sometimes mentions. 
> > > 
> > > So one would think that if TM and Marshy's teaching are real sho nuff 
> > > good and you did 'em, they would produce speech and writing from you 
> > > worthy of world peace, not jailhouse lingo. Thus we see in your writing 
> > > and revilement of those who don't care for marshy and his con games that 
> > > the TM teachings are running according to their true nature.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: feste37 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:58 AM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > One of your many problems is that you ascribe to people things they have 
> > > never said and positions they do not hold. I don't do TM, for a start, 
> > > although I have done in the past. Nor have I ever said of MMY that "his 
> > > teachings always run true," although your post is so badly written that 
> > > it's hard to know whether you are trying to attribute that to me or not. 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The beautiful, peaceful energy of a longtime TM meditator and sycophant 
> > > > of marshy - his teachings always run true, see how much world peace 
> > > > energy feste manifests?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  From: feste37 
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 7:51 PM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> > > > 
> > >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM

[Michael Jackson]

were you student or staff or both?





 From: feste37 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 7:14 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
 


  
Actually, MJ, that was a pretty good story you posted. I deleted my post Obba 
refers to below because it was too mean-spirited. You and I do in fact have 
things in common: we both learned TM when we were seventeen, our fathers 
disapproved, and we were at MIU during roughly the same time period. I am sorry 
you got disillusioned with it all. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Nabby and Feste still despise me, so it all balances out.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: obbajeeba 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 3:39 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> 
> 
> 
>   
> MJ, 
> A phenomenon played out today. A miracle? 
> What is it called? 
> How did you go from being, "a clown, a buffoon, Mr. Stupid," (as mentioned in 
> below post.) to Hollywood movie mogul future material, exceptional screenplay 
> writer, in the matter of such a short time, today, Sunday, August 4, 2013, in 
> the eyes of past naysayers? 
> 
> Like a light switch!  lol
> Whatever happened, I am happy to see so many getting along here! :)
> 
> Can anyone explain the Jyotish significance to this? 
> Is this the Tula Rahu ninth house aspect approaching Guru in Mithuna?
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > No, the problem is that you can't write clearly. Even when you try to 
> > explain yourself, it all comes out as a muddle. If I were you, Jackson, I 
> > would give it up. You are a laughingstock on this board -- a clown, a 
> > buffoon, Mr. Stupid. 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Evidently you have trouble with reading comprehension, or perhaps the 
> > > concept I am expressing is too advanced for you. Given the utter 
> > > revilement you have expressed towards me for things I have said about the 
> > > Old Faker (marshy) it is not a stretch to call you his sycophant. 
> > > 
> > > As to the other remark, I did not nor have I ever accused you of saying 
> > > that you believe marshy's teachings run true. 
> > > 
> > > What I said was that marshy's teachings run true, meaning that while he 
> > > espoused all this alignment with the laws of nature, spontaneous right 
> > > action and enlightenment crap, what actually comes out of TM is more 
> > > often the behavior of elitism, arrogance, taking license to break laws 
> > > when convenient, lying, cheating and stealing. 
> > > 
> > > Thus, the teachings are running true, meaning that the teachings espouse 
> > > good values and energy yet they actually produce somethings crappy. 
> > > 
> > > Thus you, who in the past have said how great marshy is and how good TM 
> > > is, then revile people like one of those ignorant toothless folk Ravi 
> > > sometimes mentions. 
> > > 
> > > So one would think that if TM and Marshy's teaching are real sho nuff 
> > > good and you did 'em, they would produce speech and writing from you 
> > > worthy of world peace, not jailhouse lingo. Thus we see in your writing 
> > > and revilement of those who don't care for marshy and his con games that 
> > > the TM teachings are running according to their true nature.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: feste37 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:58 AM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > One of your many problems is that you ascribe to people things they have 
> > > never said and positions they do not hold. I don't do TM, for a start, 
> > > although I have done in the past. Nor have I ever said of MMY that "his 
> > > teachings always run true," although your post is so badly written that 
> > > it's hard to know whether you are trying to attribute that to me or not. 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The beautiful, peaceful energy of a longtime TM meditator and sycophant 
> > > > of marshy - his teachings always run true, see how much world peace 

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM

[feste37]

Actually, MJ, that was a pretty good story you posted. I deleted my post Obba 
refers to below because it was too mean-spirited. You and I do in fact have 
things in common: we both learned TM when we were seventeen, our fathers 
disapproved, and we were at MIU during roughly the same time period. I am sorry 
you got disillusioned with it all. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Nabby and Feste still despise me, so it all balances out.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: obbajeeba 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 3:39 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
>  
> 
> 
>   
> MJ, 
> A phenomenon played out today. A miracle? 
> What is it called? 
> How did you go from being, "a clown, a buffoon, Mr. Stupid," (as mentioned in 
> below post.) to Hollywood movie mogul future material, exceptional screenplay 
> writer, in the matter of such a short time, today, Sunday, August 4, 2013, in 
> the eyes of past naysayers? 
> 
> Like a light switch!  lol
> Whatever happened, I am happy to see so many getting along here! :)
> 
> Can anyone explain the Jyotish significance to this? 
> Is this the Tula Rahu ninth house aspect approaching Guru in Mithuna?
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > No, the problem is that you can't write clearly. Even when you try to 
> > explain yourself, it all comes out as a muddle. If I were you, Jackson, I 
> > would give it up. You are a laughingstock on this board -- a clown, a 
> > buffoon, Mr. Stupid. 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Evidently you have trouble with reading comprehension, or perhaps the 
> > > concept I am expressing is too advanced for you. Given the utter 
> > > revilement you have expressed towards me for things I have said about the 
> > > Old Faker (marshy) it is not a stretch to call you his sycophant. 
> > > 
> > > As to the other remark, I did not nor have I ever accused you of saying 
> > > that you believe marshy's teachings run true. 
> > > 
> > > What I said was that marshy's teachings run true, meaning that while he 
> > > espoused all this alignment with the laws of nature, spontaneous right 
> > > action and enlightenment crap, what actually comes out of TM is more 
> > > often the behavior of elitism, arrogance, taking license to break laws 
> > > when convenient, lying, cheating and stealing. 
> > > 
> > > Thus, the teachings are running true, meaning that the teachings espouse 
> > > good values and energy yet they actually produce somethings crappy. 
> > > 
> > > Thus you, who in the past have said how great marshy is and how good TM 
> > > is, then revile people like one of those ignorant toothless folk Ravi 
> > > sometimes mentions. 
> > > 
> > > So one would think that if TM and Marshy's teaching are real sho nuff 
> > > good and you did 'em, they would produce speech and writing from you 
> > > worthy of world peace, not jailhouse lingo. Thus we see in your writing 
> > > and revilement of those who don't care for marshy and his con games that 
> > > the TM teachings are running according to their true nature.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: feste37 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:58 AM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > One of your many problems is that you ascribe to people things they have 
> > > never said and positions they do not hold. I don't do TM, for a start, 
> > > although I have done in the past. Nor have I ever said of MMY that "his 
> > > teachings always run true," although your post is so badly written that 
> > > it's hard to know whether you are trying to attribute that to me or not. 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The beautiful, peaceful energy of a longtime TM meditator and sycophant 
> > > > of marshy - his teachings always run true, see how much world peace 
> > > > energy feste manifests?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  From: feste37 
&

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM

[Share Long]

For me Obbajee, it's simply that you're a good influence. But could be the Rahu 
Guru thingie too (-:





 From: obbajeeba 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 2:39 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
 


  
MJ, 
A phenomenon played out today. A miracle? 
What is it called? 
How did you go from being, "a clown, a buffoon, Mr. Stupid," (as mentioned in 
below post.) to Hollywood movie mogul future material, exceptional screenplay 
writer, in the matter of such a short time, today, Sunday, August 4, 2013, in 
the eyes of past naysayers? 

Like a light switch!  lol
Whatever happened, I am happy to see so many getting along here! :)

Can anyone explain the Jyotish significance to this? 
Is this the Tula Rahu ninth house aspect approaching Guru in Mithuna?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>
> No, the problem is that you can't write clearly. Even when you try to explain 
> yourself, it all comes out as a muddle. If I were you, Jackson, I would give 
> it up. You are a laughingstock on this board -- a clown, a buffoon, Mr. 
> Stupid. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Evidently you have trouble with reading comprehension, or perhaps the 
> > concept I am expressing is too advanced for you. Given the utter revilement 
> > you have expressed towards me for things I have said about the Old Faker 
> > (marshy) it is not a stretch to call you his sycophant. 
> > 
> > As to the other remark, I did not nor have I ever accused you of saying 
> > that you believe marshy's teachings run true. 
> > 
> > What I said was that marshy's teachings run true, meaning that while he 
> > espoused all this alignment with the laws of nature, spontaneous right 
> > action and enlightenment crap, what actually comes out of TM is more often 
> > the behavior of elitism, arrogance, taking license to break laws when 
> > convenient, lying, cheating and stealing. 
> > 
> > Thus, the teachings are running true, meaning that the teachings espouse 
> > good values and energy yet they actually produce somethings crappy. 
> > 
> > Thus you, who in the past have said how great marshy is and how good TM is, 
> > then revile people like one of those ignorant toothless folk Ravi sometimes 
> > mentions. 
> > 
> > So one would think that if TM and Marshy's teaching are real sho nuff good 
> > and you did 'em, they would produce speech and writing from you worthy of 
> > world peace, not jailhouse lingo. Thus we see in your writing and 
> > revilement of those who don't care for marshy and his con games that the TM 
> > teachings are running according to their true nature.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: feste37 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:58 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > One of your many problems is that you ascribe to people things they have 
> > never said and positions they do not hold. I don't do TM, for a start, 
> > although I have done in the past. Nor have I ever said of MMY that "his 
> > teachings always run true," although your post is so badly written that 
> > it's hard to know whether you are trying to attribute that to me or not. 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > The beautiful, peaceful energy of a longtime TM meditator and sycophant 
> > > of marshy - his teachings always run true, see how much world peace 
> > > energy feste manifests?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: feste37 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 7:51 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > I am not your fucking uncle. Nor is my name Fester. It is feste. 
> > > Understand?
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Uncle Fester,
> > > > A parody. A Hypothetical thought. That is all I will apologize for. I 
> > > > mean no disrespect to David Lynch, or the MA in Film at MUM.
> > > > The purpose of this post was to show all media, film, music, book, 
> > > > etc., has to have freedom for expression.
> > >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM

[Michael Jackson]

Nabby and Feste still despise me, so it all balances out.





 From: obbajeeba 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 3:39 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
 


  
MJ, 
A phenomenon played out today. A miracle? 
What is it called? 
How did you go from being, "a clown, a buffoon, Mr. Stupid," (as mentioned in 
below post.) to Hollywood movie mogul future material, exceptional screenplay 
writer, in the matter of such a short time, today, Sunday, August 4, 2013, in 
the eyes of past naysayers? 

Like a light switch!  lol
Whatever happened, I am happy to see so many getting along here! :)

Can anyone explain the Jyotish significance to this? 
Is this the Tula Rahu ninth house aspect approaching Guru in Mithuna?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>
> No, the problem is that you can't write clearly. Even when you try to explain 
> yourself, it all comes out as a muddle. If I were you, Jackson, I would give 
> it up. You are a laughingstock on this board -- a clown, a buffoon, Mr. 
> Stupid. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Evidently you have trouble with reading comprehension, or perhaps the 
> > concept I am expressing is too advanced for you. Given the utter revilement 
> > you have expressed towards me for things I have said about the Old Faker 
> > (marshy) it is not a stretch to call you his sycophant. 
> > 
> > As to the other remark, I did not nor have I ever accused you of saying 
> > that you believe marshy's teachings run true. 
> > 
> > What I said was that marshy's teachings run true, meaning that while he 
> > espoused all this alignment with the laws of nature, spontaneous right 
> > action and enlightenment crap, what actually comes out of TM is more often 
> > the behavior of elitism, arrogance, taking license to break laws when 
> > convenient, lying, cheating and stealing. 
> > 
> > Thus, the teachings are running true, meaning that the teachings espouse 
> > good values and energy yet they actually produce somethings crappy. 
> > 
> > Thus you, who in the past have said how great marshy is and how good TM is, 
> > then revile people like one of those ignorant toothless folk Ravi sometimes 
> > mentions. 
> > 
> > So one would think that if TM and Marshy's teaching are real sho nuff good 
> > and you did 'em, they would produce speech and writing from you worthy of 
> > world peace, not jailhouse lingo. Thus we see in your writing and 
> > revilement of those who don't care for marshy and his con games that the TM 
> > teachings are running according to their true nature.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: feste37 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:58 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > One of your many problems is that you ascribe to people things they have 
> > never said and positions they do not hold. I don't do TM, for a start, 
> > although I have done in the past. Nor have I ever said of MMY that "his 
> > teachings always run true," although your post is so badly written that 
> > it's hard to know whether you are trying to attribute that to me or not. 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > The beautiful, peaceful energy of a longtime TM meditator and sycophant 
> > > of marshy - his teachings always run true, see how much world peace 
> > > energy feste manifests?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: feste37 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 7:51 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > I am not your fucking uncle. Nor is my name Fester. It is feste. 
> > > Understand?
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Uncle Fester,
> > > > A parody. A Hypothetical thought. That is all I will apologize for. I 
> > > > mean no disrespect to David Lynch, or the MA in Film at MUM.
> > > > The purpose of this post was to show all media, film, music, book, 
> > > > etc., has to have freedom for expression.
> > > > I do feel freedom of expression will be hindered

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM

[obbajeeba]

MJ, 
A phenomenon played out today. A miracle? 
What is it called? 
How did you go from being, "a clown, a buffoon, Mr. Stupid," (as mentioned in 
below post.) to Hollywood movie mogul future material, exceptional screenplay 
writer, in the matter of such a short time, today, Sunday, August 4, 2013, in 
the eyes of past naysayers? 

Like a light switch!  lol
Whatever happened, I am happy to see so many getting along here! :)

Can anyone explain the Jyotish significance to this? 
Is this the Tula Rahu ninth house aspect approaching Guru in Mithuna?





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>
> No, the problem is that you can't write clearly. Even when you try to explain 
> yourself, it all comes out as a muddle. If I were you, Jackson, I would give 
> it up. You are a laughingstock on this board -- a clown, a buffoon, Mr. 
> Stupid. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Evidently you have trouble with reading comprehension, or perhaps the 
> > concept I am expressing is too advanced for you. Given the utter revilement 
> > you have expressed towards me for things I have said about the Old Faker 
> > (marshy) it is not a stretch to call you his sycophant. 
> > 
> > As to the other remark, I did not nor have I ever accused you of saying 
> > that you believe marshy's teachings run true. 
> > 
> > What I said was that marshy's teachings run true, meaning that while he 
> > espoused all this alignment with the laws of nature, spontaneous right 
> > action and enlightenment crap, what actually comes out of TM is more often 
> > the behavior of elitism, arrogance, taking license to break laws when 
> > convenient, lying, cheating and stealing. 
> > 
> > Thus, the teachings are running true, meaning that the teachings espouse 
> > good values and energy yet they actually produce somethings crappy. 
> > 
> > Thus you, who in the past have said how great marshy is and how good TM is, 
> > then revile people like one of those ignorant toothless folk Ravi sometimes 
> > mentions. 
> > 
> > So one would think that if TM and Marshy's teaching are real sho nuff good 
> > and you did 'em, they would produce speech and writing from you worthy of 
> > world peace, not jailhouse lingo. Thus we see in your writing and 
> > revilement of those who don't care for marshy and his con games that the TM 
> > teachings are running according to their true nature.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: feste37 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:58 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > One of your many problems is that you ascribe to people things they have 
> > never said and positions they do not hold. I don't do TM, for a start, 
> > although I have done in the past. Nor have I ever said of MMY that "his 
> > teachings always run true," although your post is so badly written that 
> > it's hard to know whether you are trying to attribute that to me or not. 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > The beautiful, peaceful energy of a longtime TM meditator and sycophant 
> > > of marshy - his teachings always run true, see how much world peace 
> > > energy feste manifests?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: feste37 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 7:51 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > I am not your fucking uncle. Nor is my name Fester. It is feste. 
> > > Understand?
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Uncle Fester,
> > > > A parody. A Hypothetical thought. That is all I will apologize for. I 
> > > > mean no disrespect to David Lynch, or the MA in Film at MUM.
> > > > The purpose of this post was to show all media, film, music, book, 
> > > > etc., has to have freedom for expression.
> > > > I do feel freedom of expression will be hindered in the environment for 
> > > > which I did the parody of. 
> > > > I think the school has a good function. I think certain programs are 
> > > > not meant to be matched with idealism. 
> >

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM

[Richard J. Williams]

mjackson74:
> > If you can't see the hypocrisy of having a stress bucket like Lynch
> > be the lynch pin of the MA in Film for an outfit that purports to be
> > all about world peace then you been on the mountain top too long.
> > 
raunchydog:
> Having dipped your wet blanket into a bucket of marshy bash and
> hung it upon a lynch pin of disaffection, you've had your fun. Now
> come down from your holy perch of judgement and make peace with
> your own mountain of stress or get a good spanking.
>
fink:

rat fink
informant

She says her boss is a rotten fink.
"his own brother turned out to be the fink who ratted them out to the
police"

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fink

  

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> My experience is that the goof balls that administrate the Movement fuck up 
> every thing they touch. They can't even create a decent Dome policy to 
> achieve the flying numbers they claim are so crucial to world peace.

That, for sure, seems to be true. They seem to constantly cut off their nose to 
spite their face.

> Just ask Buck if you don't believe me. I
I believe you. I believe you.

>If you think that this MA in Film is going to transform the MUM vibe, you are 
>way off.

Of course I don't. I think it could be a nice addition to their curriculum, 
that is all. It is you who seems to think that by having this MA program, which 
is in some way associated with DL, that it is contrary to the "MUM vibe".

 >It will be just the opposite, the MUM vibe will drag down the MA in Film  to 
 >its own level. And I say again MUM = TM = Marshy = supposedly fine values = 
 >Guru Dev's legacy - so what would Guru Dev say about Lynch after seeing some 
 >of his work? You all know he would boot that bastard out on his ear and can 
 >everyone who had the stupidity to bring him in, everyone here on FFL know 
 >that but is too chicken to admit it.

I think your reasoning is faulty here. How is anyone going to be able to 
accurately predict what Guru Dev would think about anything be it "Blue Velvet" 
or western women wearing saris in downtown Fairfield Iowas? I mean, come on, 
this argument for why an MA in film should not be offered at MUM because GD 
would not like it is downright funny and a complete non-starter.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Ann 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 10:05 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
>  
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > If you can't see the hypocrisy of having a stress bucket like Lynch be the 
> > lynch pin of the MA in Film for an outfit that purports to be all about 
> > world peace then you been on the mountain top too long.
> 
> On the contrary, I descended to the valley many moons ago. I don't live in 
> any airy fairy castle MJ. 
> 
> When I went to MIU there were some of the brightest minds in academia 
> teaching there. It was a place of unusual and almost revolutionary 
> educational principals and subject matter that attracted those who wanted a 
> chance to integrate personal growth with learning. It was an exciting time 
> back in the mid 80's at MIU. There were lots of professors from Yale, MIT, 
> Harvard and there was not a sense of limiting student exposure to the 
> knowledge of the world, including someone like Lynch; it was more about 
> encompassing all these things within the context of SCI and TM. 
> 
> Why do you equate the work of David Lynch with war or non-peace? Do you see 
> him as someone who incites others to violence and hate? Or is he someone who 
> uses the medium of film to describe "his" world and his interpretation of his 
> perceptions of the human race and their condition? Lynch is a recognized 
> master of the art of making films. To see him as proof that MUM is 
> hypocritical is short sighted, but I understand where you're coming from. 
> However, you won't get me to agree with you on this one. The MA will be 
> enriching for the participants and should make you feel better about MUM, not 
> worse. It can be seen as an example of embracing something a little beyond 
> Vedic honey commercials and Vastu architecture.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Ann 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 8:26 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I think it is great that this is the present quality of 
> > > > TM critic here hehe!
> > > 
> > > We similarly believe that it's great that the quality
> > > of the TM True Believers on this forum is what it is.
> > 
> > Aren't we talking about a film masters program that MUM is adding to their 
> > curriculum? How does the fact that some people think this is good news, 
> > exciting and tempting to participate in make them anything other than 
> > regular people? What does labelling those in favour of this as "true 
> > believers" have to do with anything? I think the addition of this program 
> > is wonderful. If I was younger and wanted to be at MUM I would be on the 
> > first plane out there. Give me a break, at least point fingers when there 
> > is something interestingly controversial to warrant it.
> > > 
> > > Let the lurkers come to their own conclusions...
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM

[emilymae.reyn]

Like butterflies and rainbows and "raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens"!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Michael, I'd enjoy hearing about what you enjoy in life. Salyavin and turq 
> are also anti TMO, etc. and yet salyavin writes about science, the wonders of 
> the world that touch his heart and the loonyness that makes him laugh; turq 
> writes lovingly about Maya and his family and positively about places and 
> movies, etc. Of course it's wonderful that there are so many different voices 
> on FFL and it's amazing how dedicated you are to your mission of telling the 
> world how horrible you think the TMO is. But surely there is more to you than 
> this.
> 
> 
> BTW, feste has a PhD I think and is also very intelligent. And doesn't even 
> do TM any more! So on what basis do you think of him as a TBer?
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Michael Jackson 
> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
> Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 9:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
>  
> 
> 
>   
> Only to the foolish like you.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ____________
>  From: feste37 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 10:14 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
>  
> 
> 
>   
> No, the problem is that you can't write clearly. Even when you try to explain 
> yourself, it all comes out as a muddle. If I were you, Jackson, I would give 
> it up. You are a laughingstock on this board -- a clown, a buffoon, Mr. 
> Stupid. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Evidently you have trouble with reading comprehension, or perhaps the 
> > concept I am expressing is too advanced for you. Given the utter revilement 
> > you have expressed towards me for things I have said about the Old Faker 
> > (marshy) it is not a stretch to call you his sycophant. 
> > 
> > As to the other remark, I did not nor have I ever accused you of saying 
> > that you believe marshy's teachings run true. 
> > 
> > What I said was that marshy's teachings run true, meaning that while he 
> > espoused all this alignment with the laws of nature, spontaneous right 
> > action and enlightenment crap, what actually comes out of TM is more often 
> > the behavior of elitism, arrogance, taking license to break laws when 
> > convenient, lying, cheating and stealing. 
> > 
> > Thus, the teachings are running true, meaning that the teachings espouse 
> > good values and energy yet they actually produce somethings crappy. 
> > 
> > Thus you, who in the past have said how great marshy is and how good TM is, 
> > then revile people like one of those ignorant toothless folk Ravi sometimes 
> > mentions. 
> > 
> > So one would think that if TM and Marshy's teaching are real sho nuff good 
> > and you did 'em, they would produce speech and writing from you worthy of 
> > world peace, not jailhouse lingo. Thus we see in your writing and 
> > revilement of those who don't care for marshy and his con games that the TM 
> > teachings are running according to their true nature.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: feste37 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:58 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > One of your many problems is that you ascribe to people things they have 
> > never said and positions they do not hold. I don't do TM, for a start, 
> > although I have done in the past. Nor have I ever said of MMY that "his 
> > teachings always run true," although your post is so badly written that 
> > it's hard to know whether you are trying to attribute that to me or not. 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > The beautiful, peaceful energy of a longtime TM meditator and sycophant 
> > > of marshy - his teachings always run true, see how much world peace 
> > > energy feste manifests?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: feste37 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 7:51 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > I am not your fucking uncle

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM

[Share Long]

Michael, I'd enjoy hearing about what you enjoy in life. Salyavin and turq are 
also anti TMO, etc. and yet salyavin writes about science, the wonders of the 
world that touch his heart and the loonyness that makes him laugh; turq writes 
lovingly about Maya and his family and positively about places and movies, etc. 
Of course it's wonderful that there are so many different voices on FFL and 
it's amazing how dedicated you are to your mission of telling the world how 
horrible you think the TMO is. But surely there is more to you than this.


BTW, feste has a PhD I think and is also very intelligent. And doesn't even do 
TM any more! So on what basis do you think of him as a TBer?



 From: Michael Jackson 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
 


  
Only to the foolish like you.





 From: feste37 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 10:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
 


  
No, the problem is that you can't write clearly. Even when you try to explain 
yourself, it all comes out as a muddle. If I were you, Jackson, I would give it 
up. You are a laughingstock on this board -- a clown, a buffoon, Mr. Stupid. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Evidently you have trouble with reading comprehension, or perhaps the concept 
> I am expressing is too advanced for you. Given the utter revilement you have 
> expressed towards me for things I have said about the Old Faker (marshy) it 
> is not a stretch to call you his sycophant. 
> 
> As to the other remark, I did not nor have I ever accused you of saying that 
> you believe marshy's teachings run true. 
> 
> What I said was that marshy's teachings run true, meaning that while he 
> espoused all this alignment with the laws of nature, spontaneous right action 
> and enlightenment crap, what actually comes out of TM is more often the 
> behavior of elitism, arrogance, taking license to break laws when convenient, 
> lying, cheating and stealing. 
> 
> Thus, the teachings are running true, meaning that the teachings espouse good 
> values and energy yet they actually produce somethings crappy. 
> 
> Thus you, who in the past have said how great marshy is and how good TM is, 
> then revile people like one of those ignorant toothless folk Ravi sometimes 
> mentions. 
> 
> So one would think that if TM and Marshy's teaching are real sho nuff good 
> and you did 'em, they would produce speech and writing from you worthy of 
> world peace, not jailhouse lingo. Thus we see in your writing and revilement 
> of those who don't care for marshy and his con games that the TM teachings 
> are running according to their true nature.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________
>  From: feste37 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:58 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> 
> 
> 
>   
> One of your many problems is that you ascribe to people things they have 
> never said and positions they do not hold. I don't do TM, for a start, 
> although I have done in the past. Nor have I ever said of MMY that "his 
> teachings always run true," although your post is so badly written that it's 
> hard to know whether you are trying to attribute that to me or not. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > The beautiful, peaceful energy of a longtime TM meditator and sycophant of 
> > marshy - his teachings always run true, see how much world peace energy 
> > feste manifests?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: feste37 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 7:51 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > I am not your fucking uncle. Nor is my name Fester. It is feste. Understand?
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Uncle Fester,
> > > A parody. A Hypothetical thought. That is all I will apologize for. I 
> > > mean no disrespect to David Lynch, or the MA in Film at MUM.
> > > The purpose of this post was to show all media, film, music, book, etc., 
> > > has to have freedom for expression.
> > > I do feel freedom of expression will be hindered in the environment for 
> > > which I did the parody of. 
> > > I think the school has a good function. I think certain programs are not 
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM

[Michael Jackson]

Only to the foolish like you.





 From: feste37 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 10:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
 


  
No, the problem is that you can't write clearly. Even when you try to explain 
yourself, it all comes out as a muddle. If I were you, Jackson, I would give it 
up. You are a laughingstock on this board -- a clown, a buffoon, Mr. Stupid. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Evidently you have trouble with reading comprehension, or perhaps the concept 
> I am expressing is too advanced for you. Given the utter revilement you have 
> expressed towards me for things I have said about the Old Faker (marshy) it 
> is not a stretch to call you his sycophant. 
> 
> As to the other remark, I did not nor have I ever accused you of saying that 
> you believe marshy's teachings run true. 
> 
> What I said was that marshy's teachings run true, meaning that while he 
> espoused all this alignment with the laws of nature, spontaneous right action 
> and enlightenment crap, what actually comes out of TM is more often the 
> behavior of elitism, arrogance, taking license to break laws when convenient, 
> lying, cheating and stealing. 
> 
> Thus, the teachings are running true, meaning that the teachings espouse good 
> values and energy yet they actually produce somethings crappy. 
> 
> Thus you, who in the past have said how great marshy is and how good TM is, 
> then revile people like one of those ignorant toothless folk Ravi sometimes 
> mentions. 
> 
> So one would think that if TM and Marshy's teaching are real sho nuff good 
> and you did 'em, they would produce speech and writing from you worthy of 
> world peace, not jailhouse lingo. Thus we see in your writing and revilement 
> of those who don't care for marshy and his con games that the TM teachings 
> are running according to their true nature.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________
>  From: feste37 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:58 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> 
> 
> 
>   
> One of your many problems is that you ascribe to people things they have 
> never said and positions they do not hold. I don't do TM, for a start, 
> although I have done in the past. Nor have I ever said of MMY that "his 
> teachings always run true," although your post is so badly written that it's 
> hard to know whether you are trying to attribute that to me or not. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > The beautiful, peaceful energy of a longtime TM meditator and sycophant of 
> > marshy - his teachings always run true, see how much world peace energy 
> > feste manifests?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: feste37 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 7:51 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > I am not your fucking uncle. Nor is my name Fester. It is feste. Understand?
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Uncle Fester,
> > > A parody. A Hypothetical thought. That is all I will apologize for. I 
> > > mean no disrespect to David Lynch, or the MA in Film at MUM.
> > > The purpose of this post was to show all media, film, music, book, etc., 
> > > has to have freedom for expression.
> > > I do feel freedom of expression will be hindered in the environment for 
> > > which I did the parody of. 
> > > I think the school has a good function. I think certain programs are not 
> > > meant to be matched with idealism. 
> > > Art must be able to express itself. My writing the below is art. 
> > > I will consider your opinion of what I wrote and the category you put me 
> > > in as ART. 
> > > 
> > > Vulgar is in the eyes of the beholder. :)
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Of course, there are always people willing to denigrate those who try 
> > > > to create something valuable. You appear to have joined their camp -- 
> > > > just one more addition to the vulgar and the stupid who seem to have 
> > > > taken over this board. 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > > > >
> &g

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM

[seventhray27]

You saw Hiranyagarba?

Your dad asked you how he could learn to meditate?

You went to the local center and volunteered to put up posters?

Out with it boy!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
> Seventh Ray, I am just about to finish an account of something that
happened to me just after a residence course, just for your enjoyment.
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 10:09 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
>
>
>
> Â
> This sounds like a proclamation.
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> >
> > Evidently you have trouble with reading comprehension, or perhaps
the concept I am expressing is too advanced for you. Given the utter
revilement you have expressed towards me for things I have said about
the Old Faker (marshy) it is not a stretch to call you his sycophant.
> >
> > As to the other remark, I did not nor have I ever accused you of
saying that you believe marshy's teachings run true.
> >Â
> Where as: Â What I said was that marshy's teachings run true,
meaning that while he espoused all this alignment with the laws of
nature, spontaneous right action and enlightenment crap, what actually
comes out of TM is more often the behavior of elitism, arrogance, taking
license to break laws when convenient, lying, cheating and stealing.
> >
> Where as: Thus, the teachings are running true, meaning that the
teachings espouse good values and energy yet they actually produce
somethings crappy.
> >Â
> Where as: Â Thus you, who in the past have said how great marshy is
and how good TM is, then revile people like one of those ignorant
toothless folk Ravi sometimes mentions.
> >Â
> Where as:Â So one would think that if TM and Marshy's teaching are
real sho nuff good and you did 'em, they would produce speech and
writing from you worthy of world peace, not jailhouse lingo. Thus we see
in your writing and revilement of those who don't care for marshy and
his con games that the TM teachings are running according to their true
nature.
> Where is the...
> Be It Resolved That...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ____
> > From: feste37 feste37@
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:58 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> >
> >
> >
> > ÂÂ
> > One of your many problems is that you ascribe to people things they
have never said and positions they do not hold. I don't do TM, for a
start, although I have done in the past. Nor have I ever said of MMY
that "his teachings always run true," although your post is so badly
written that it's hard to know whether you are trying to attribute that
to me or not.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@
wrote:
> > >
> > > The beautiful, peaceful energy of a longtime TM meditator and
sycophant of marshy - his teachings always run true, see how much world
peace energy feste manifests?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > > From: feste37 feste37@
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 7:51 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ÂÂÂ
> > > I am not your fucking uncle. Nor is my name Fester. It is feste.
Understand?
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Uncle Fester,
> > > > A parody. A Hypothetical thought. That is all I will apologize
for. I mean no disrespect to David Lynch, or the MA in Film at MUM.
> > > > The purpose of this post was to show all media, film, music,
book, etc., has to have freedom for expression.
> > > > I do feel freedom of expression will be hindered in the
environment for which I did the parody of.
> > > > I think the school has a good function. I think certain programs
are not meant to be matched with idealism.
> > > > Art must be able to express itself. My writing the below is art.
> > > > I will consider your opinion of what I wrote and the category
you put me in as ART.
> > > >
> > > > Vulgar is in the eyes of the beholder. :)
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course, there are always people willi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM

[Michael Jackson]

Seventh Ray, I am just about to finish an account of something that happened to 
me just after a residence course, just for your enjoyment.





 From: seventhray27 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 10:09 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
 


  
This sounds like a proclamation.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
> Evidently you have trouble with reading comprehension, or perhaps the concept 
> I am expressing is too advanced for you. Given the utter revilement you have 
> expressed towards me for things I have said about the Old Faker (marshy) it 
> is not a stretch to call you his sycophant. 
> 
> As to the other remark, I did not nor have I ever accused you of saying that 
> you believe marshy's teachings run true. 
> 
Where as:  What I said was that marshy's teachings run true, meaning that while 
he espoused all this alignment with the laws of nature, spontaneous right 
action and enlightenment crap, what actually comes out of TM is more often the 
behavior of elitism, arrogance, taking license to break laws when convenient, 
lying, cheating and stealing. 
> 
Where as: Thus, the teachings are running true, meaning that the teachings 
espouse good values and energy yet they actually produce somethings crappy. 
> 
Where as:  Thus you, who in the past have said how great marshy is and how good 
TM is, then revile people like one of those ignorant toothless folk Ravi 
sometimes mentions. 
> 
Where as: So one would think that if TM and Marshy's teaching are real sho nuff 
good and you did 'em, they would produce speech and writing from you worthy of 
world peace, not jailhouse lingo. Thus we see in your writing and revilement of 
those who don't care for marshy and his con games that the TM teachings are 
running according to their true nature.
Where is the...
Be It Resolved That...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: feste37 feste37@...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:58 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> 
> 
> 
>   
> One of your many problems is that you ascribe to people things they have 
> never said and positions they do not hold. I don't do TM, for a start, 
> although I have done in the past. Nor have I ever said of MMY that "his 
> teachings always run true," although your post is so badly written that it's 
> hard to know whether you are trying to attribute that to me or not. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
> >
> > The beautiful, peaceful energy of a longtime TM meditator and sycophant of 
> > marshy - his teachings always run true, see how much world peace energy 
> > feste manifests?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: feste37 feste37@
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 7:51 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > I am not your fucking uncle. Nor is my name Fester. It is feste. Understand?
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Uncle Fester,
> > > A parody. A Hypothetical thought. That is all I will apologize for. I 
> > > mean no disrespect to David Lynch, or the MA in Film at MUM.
> > > The purpose of this post was to show all media, film, music, book, etc., 
> > > has to have freedom for expression.
> > > I do feel freedom of expression will be hindered in the environment for 
> > > which I did the parody of. 
> > > I think the school has a good function. I think certain programs are not 
> > > meant to be matched with idealism. 
> > > Art must be able to express itself. My writing the below is art. 
> > > I will consider your opinion of what I wrote and the category you put me 
> > > in as ART. 
> > > 
> > > Vulgar is in the eyes of the beholder. :)
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Of course, there are always people willing to denigrate those who try 
> > > > to create something valuable. You appear to have joined their camp -- 
> > > > just one more addition to the vulgar and the stupid who seem to have 
> > > > taken over this board. 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > No money? Just sign here and join th

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM

[Michael Jackson]

My experience is that the goof balls that administrate the Movement fuck up 
every thing they touch. They can't even create a decent Dome policy to achieve 
the flying numbers they claim are so crucial to world peace. Just ask Buck if 
you don't believe me. If you think that this MA in Film is going to transform 
the MUM vibe, you are way off. It will be just the opposite, the MUM vibe will 
drag down the MA in Film  to its own level. And I say again MUM = TM = Marshy = 
supposedly fine values = Guru Dev's legacy - so what would Guru Dev say about 
Lynch after seeing some of his work? You all know he would boot that bastard 
out on his ear and can everyone who had the stupidity to bring him in, everyone 
here on FFL know that but is too chicken to admit it.





 From: Ann 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 10:05 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> If you can't see the hypocrisy of having a stress bucket like Lynch be the 
> lynch pin of the MA in Film for an outfit that purports to be all about world 
> peace then you been on the mountain top too long.

On the contrary, I descended to the valley many moons ago. I don't live in any 
airy fairy castle MJ. 

When I went to MIU there were some of the brightest minds in academia teaching 
there. It was a place of unusual and almost revolutionary educational 
principals and subject matter that attracted those who wanted a chance to 
integrate personal growth with learning. It was an exciting time back in the 
mid 80's at MIU. There were lots of professors from Yale, MIT, Harvard and 
there was not a sense of limiting student exposure to the knowledge of the 
world, including someone like Lynch; it was more about encompassing all these 
things within the context of SCI and TM. 

Why do you equate the work of David Lynch with war or non-peace? Do you see him 
as someone who incites others to violence and hate? Or is he someone who uses 
the medium of film to describe "his" world and his interpretation of his 
perceptions of the human race and their condition? Lynch is a recognized master 
of the art of making films. To see him as proof that MUM is hypocritical is 
short sighted, but I understand where you're coming from. However, you won't 
get me to agree with you on this one. The MA will be enriching for the 
participants and should make you feel better about MUM, not worse. It can be 
seen as an example of embracing something a little beyond Vedic honey 
commercials and Vastu architecture.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Ann 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 8:26 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@  wrote:
> > >
> > > I think it is great that this is the present quality of 
> > > TM critic here hehe!
> > 
> > We similarly believe that it's great that the quality
> > of the TM True Believers on this forum is what it is.
> 
> Aren't we talking about a film masters program that MUM is adding to their 
> curriculum? How does the fact that some people think this is good news, 
> exciting and tempting to participate in make them anything other than regular 
> people? What does labelling those in favour of this as "true believers" have 
> to do with anything? I think the addition of this program is wonderful. If I 
> was younger and wanted to be at MUM I would be on the first plane out there. 
> Give me a break, at least point fingers when there is something interestingly 
> controversial to warrant it.
> > 
> > Let the lurkers come to their own conclusions...
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM

[feste37]

No, the problem is that you can't write clearly. Even when you try to explain 
yourself, it all comes out as a muddle. If I were you, Jackson, I would give it 
up. You are a laughingstock on this board -- a clown, a buffoon, Mr. Stupid. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Evidently you have trouble with reading comprehension, or perhaps the concept 
> I am expressing is too advanced for you. Given the utter revilement you have 
> expressed towards me for things I have said about the Old Faker (marshy) it 
> is not a stretch to call you his sycophant. 
> 
> As to the other remark, I did not nor have I ever accused you of saying that 
> you believe marshy's teachings run true. 
> 
> What I said was that marshy's teachings run true, meaning that while he 
> espoused all this alignment with the laws of nature, spontaneous right action 
> and enlightenment crap, what actually comes out of TM is more often the 
> behavior of elitism, arrogance, taking license to break laws when convenient, 
> lying, cheating and stealing. 
> 
> Thus, the teachings are running true, meaning that the teachings espouse good 
> values and energy yet they actually produce somethings crappy. 
> 
> Thus you, who in the past have said how great marshy is and how good TM is, 
> then revile people like one of those ignorant toothless folk Ravi sometimes 
> mentions. 
> 
> So one would think that if TM and Marshy's teaching are real sho nuff good 
> and you did 'em, they would produce speech and writing from you worthy of 
> world peace, not jailhouse lingo. Thus we see in your writing and revilement 
> of those who don't care for marshy and his con games that the TM teachings 
> are running according to their true nature.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________
>  From: feste37 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:58 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
>  
> 
> 
>   
> One of your many problems is that you ascribe to people things they have 
> never said and positions they do not hold. I don't do TM, for a start, 
> although I have done in the past. Nor have I ever said of MMY that "his 
> teachings always run true," although your post is so badly written that it's 
> hard to know whether you are trying to attribute that to me or not. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > The beautiful, peaceful energy of a longtime TM meditator and sycophant of 
> > marshy - his teachings always run true, see how much world peace energy 
> > feste manifests?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: feste37 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 7:51 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > I am not your fucking uncle. Nor is my name Fester. It is feste. Understand?
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Uncle Fester,
> > > A parody. A Hypothetical thought. That is all I will apologize for. I 
> > > mean no disrespect to David Lynch, or the MA in Film at MUM.
> > > The purpose of this post was to show all media, film, music, book, etc., 
> > > has to have freedom for expression.
> > > I do feel freedom of expression will be hindered in the environment for 
> > > which I did the parody of. 
> > > I think the school has a good function. I think certain programs are not 
> > > meant to be matched with idealism. 
> > > Art must be able to express itself. My writing the below is art. 
> > > I will consider your opinion of what I wrote and the category you put me 
> > > in as ART. 
> > > 
> > > Vulgar is in the eyes of the beholder. :)
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Of course, there are always people willing to denigrate those who try 
> > > > to create something valuable. You appear to have joined their camp -- 
> > > > just one more addition to the vulgar and the stupid who seem to have 
> > > > taken over this board. 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > No money? Just sign here and join the millions of students who have 
> > > > > outstanding student loans, part of the student loan bubble that is 
> > > > > bound

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM

[seventhray27]

This sounds like a proclamation.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
> Evidently you have trouble with reading comprehension, or perhaps the
concept I am expressing is too advanced for you. Given the utter
revilement you have expressed towards me for things I have said about
the Old Faker (marshy) it is not a stretch to call you his sycophant.
>
> As to the other remark, I did not nor have I ever accused you of
saying that you believe marshy's teachings run true.
>
Where as:  What I said was that marshy's teachings run true, meaning
that while he espoused all this alignment with the laws of nature,
spontaneous right action and enlightenment crap, what actually comes out
of TM is more often the behavior of elitism, arrogance, taking license
to break laws when convenient, lying, cheating and stealing.
>
Where as: Thus, the teachings are running true, meaning that the
teachings espouse good values and energy yet they actually produce
somethings crappy.
>
Where as:  Thus you, who in the past have said how great marshy is and
how good TM is, then revile people like one of those ignorant toothless
folk Ravi sometimes mentions.
>
Where as: So one would think that if TM and Marshy's teaching are real
sho nuff good and you did 'em, they would produce speech and writing
from you worthy of world peace, not jailhouse lingo. Thus we see in your
writing and revilement of those who don't care for marshy and his con
games that the TM teachings are running according to their true nature.

Where is the...

Be It Resolved That...

>
>
>
>
> 
> From: feste37 feste37@...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:58 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
>
>
>
> Â
> One of your many problems is that you ascribe to people things they
have never said and positions they do not hold. I don't do TM, for a
start, although I have done in the past. Nor have I ever said of MMY
that "his teachings always run true," although your post is so badly
written that it's hard to know whether you are trying to attribute that
to me or not.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@
wrote:
> >
> > The beautiful, peaceful energy of a longtime TM meditator and
sycophant of marshy - his teachings always run true, see how much world
peace energy feste manifests?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________
> > From: feste37 feste37@
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 7:51 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> >
> >
> >
> > ÂÂ
> > I am not your fucking uncle. Nor is my name Fester. It is feste.
Understand?
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Uncle Fester,
> > > A parody. A Hypothetical thought. That is all I will apologize
for. I mean no disrespect to David Lynch, or the MA in Film at MUM.
> > > The purpose of this post was to show all media, film, music, book,
etc., has to have freedom for expression.
> > > I do feel freedom of expression will be hindered in the
environment for which I did the parody of.
> > > I think the school has a good function. I think certain programs
are not meant to be matched with idealism.
> > > Art must be able to express itself. My writing the below is art.
> > > I will consider your opinion of what I wrote and the category you
put me in as ART.
> > >
> > > Vulgar is in the eyes of the beholder. :)
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Of course, there are always people willing to denigrate those
who try to create something valuable. You appear to have joined their
camp -- just one more addition to the vulgar and the stupid who seem to
have taken over this board.
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > No money? Just sign here and join the millions of students who
have outstanding student loans, part of the student loan bubble that is
bound to burst at the, well sometime. No need to worry, you will have
access to the finest equipment, meet interesting people and known film
makers! You too, can dream about being a famous film maker and list your
name on imdb.com to make sure your future contacts are always seeing
your work!
> > > > > Get an opportunity to work on exciting projects with these
famous film makers. You too, can be a life intern and sign your creative
rights away, your brilliant creative m

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> If you can't see the hypocrisy of having a stress bucket like Lynch be the 
> lynch pin of the MA in Film for an outfit that purports to be all about world 
> peace then you been on the mountain top too long.

On the contrary, I descended to the valley many moons ago. I don't live in any 
airy fairy castle MJ. 

When I went to MIU there were some of the brightest minds in academia teaching 
there. It was a place of unusual and almost revolutionary educational 
principals and subject matter that attracted those who wanted a chance to 
integrate personal growth with learning. It was an exciting time back in the 
mid 80's at MIU. There were lots of professors from Yale, MIT, Harvard and 
there was not a sense of limiting student exposure to the knowledge of the 
world, including someone like Lynch; it was more about encompassing all these 
things within the context of SCI and TM. 

Why do you equate the work of David Lynch with war or non-peace? Do you see him 
as someone who incites others to violence and hate? Or is he someone who uses 
the medium of film to describe "his" world and his interpretation of his 
perceptions of the human race and their condition? Lynch is a recognized master 
of the art of making films. To see him as proof that MUM is hypocritical is 
short sighted, but I understand where you're coming from. However, you won't 
get me to agree with you on this one. The MA will be enriching for the 
participants and should make you feel better about MUM, not worse. It can be 
seen as an example of embracing something a little beyond Vedic honey 
commercials and Vastu architecture.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Ann 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 8:26 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
>  
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@  wrote:
> > >
> > > I think it is great that this is the present quality of 
> > > TM critic here hehe!
> > 
> > We similarly believe that it's great that the quality
> > of the TM True Believers on this forum is what it is.
> 
> Aren't we talking about a film masters program that MUM is adding to their 
> curriculum? How does the fact that some people think this is good news, 
> exciting and tempting to participate in make them anything other than regular 
> people? What does labelling those in favour of this as "true believers" have 
> to do with anything? I think the addition of this program is wonderful. If I 
> was younger and wanted to be at MUM I would be on the first plane out there. 
> Give me a break, at least point fingers when there is something interestingly 
> controversial to warrant it.
> > 
> > Let the lurkers come to their own conclusions...
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM

[Michael Jackson]

The pearls of wisdom or even a lesson in the English language are lost on the 
willfully ignorant.





 From: feste37 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 9:41 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
 


  
Yes, I remember that master class from MJ.  I was laughing so hard it was 
impossible to make a post about it. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> 
> I think this is what MJ calls "hyperbole" or "allusion".  He held a
> class on that last week.  You may have missed it.
> 
> I mean, to the rest of the world, it looks like he just likes to see
> things in one way, no matter what the facts may be, but we were
> corrected on this misconception.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote:
> >
> > One of your many problems is that you ascribe to people things they
> have never said and positions they do not hold. I don't do TM, for a
> start, although I have done in the past. Nor have I ever said of MMY
> that "his teachings always run true," although your post is so badly
> written that it's hard to know whether you are trying to attribute that
> to me or not.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@
> wrote:
> > >
> > > The beautiful, peaceful energy of a longtime TM meditator and
> sycophant of marshy - his teachings always run true, see how much world
> peace energy feste manifests?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > > From: feste37 feste37@
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 7:51 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: MA in FILM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > > I am not your fucking uncle. Nor is my name Fester. It is feste.
> Understand?
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Uncle Fester,
> > > > A parody. A Hypothetical thought. That is all I will apologize
> for. I mean no disrespect to David Lynch, or the MA in Film at MUM.
> > > > The purpose of this post was to show all media, film, music, book,
> etc., has to have freedom for expression.
> > > > I do feel freedom of expression will be hindered in the
> environment for which I did the parody of.
> > > > I think the school has a good function. I think certain programs
> are not meant to be matched with idealism.
> > > > Art must be able to express itself. My writing the below is art.
> > > > I will consider your opinion of what I wrote and the category you
> put me in as ART.
> > > >
> > > > Vulgar is in the eyes of the beholder. :)
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course, there are always people willing to denigrate those
> who try to create something valuable. You appear to have joined their
> camp -- just one more addition to the vulgar and the stupid who seem to
> have taken over this board.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No money? Just sign here and join the millions of students who
> have outstanding student loans, part of the student loan bubble that is
> bound to burst at the, well sometime. No need to worry, you will have
> access to the finest equipment, meet interesting people and known film
> makers! You too, can dream about being a famous film maker and list your
> name on imdb.com to make sure your future contacts are always seeing
> your work!
> > > > > > Get an opportunity to work on exciting projects with these
> famous film makers. You too, can be a life intern and sign your creative
> rights away, your brilliant creative mind and creations to get a chance
> to intern with your most favorite film makers!
> > > > > > Non disclosure may reverse, if you so happen to be a bit more
> brilliant than the legal team and creative company you intern with. If
> you are beautiful or handsome and smart too, all those rights will most
> certainly be considered.
> > > > > > Join us now, Heaven on Earth and an MA in Film! Will you
> please take a listen to one of our most cherished founder's of this
> idea, David Lynch. You just might get a chance to intern, right away!
> > > > > >
> > >