[FairfieldLife] Re: Definitions sahaha, Sarrvikalpa, Nirvikalpa

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Om Namo Narayan 
 
 Sahaja means effortless and continuous - 
 (not simply the result of being in sitting meditation)
 This is rather a continous state of Consciousness versus 
 an experience that comes and goes. 
 
 Sarvikalpa - is still having an identity but it is merged 
 in Oneness. Being One 
 
 Nirvikalpa - is no me remaining - Simply IS. One does 
 not percieve any story any longer it is over. There is only 
 Pure Awareness without any attributes layered over. 
 IN Nirvikalpa Sahaja there are no longer rising thoughts 
 and oneness has dissolved into 0 point balance. 
 
 Maha Shanti

Sri Ramakrishna describes this distinction very well: Savikalpa
Samadhi was compared by Sri Ramakrishna to a cotton doll which when
put in water gets saturated with it, and Nirvikalpa Samadhi to a doll
of salt which when immersed in water dissolves and loses itself in it.
Nirvikalpa is the higher...

It reminds me of the saying by Christ Jesus that:  Whoever finds his
life (ego) will lose it (Cosmic Awareness), and whoever loses his life
(litte ego) for my sake will find it (Cosmic Consciousness).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Definitions sahaha, Sarrvikalpa, Nirvikalpa

[Ron]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote:
 
  Om Namo Narayan 
  
  Sahaja means effortless and continuous - 
  (not simply the result of being in sitting meditation)
  This is rather a continous state of Consciousness versus 
  an experience that comes and goes. 
  
  Sarvikalpa - is still having an identity but it is merged 
  in Oneness. Being One 
  
  Nirvikalpa - is no me remaining - Simply IS. One does 
  not percieve any story any longer it is over. There is only 
  Pure Awareness without any attributes layered over. 
  IN Nirvikalpa Sahaja there are no longer rising thoughts 
  and oneness has dissolved into 0 point balance. 
  
  Maha Shanti
 
 Sri Ramakrishna describes this distinction very well: Savikalpa
 Samadhi was compared by Sri Ramakrishna to a cotton doll which when
 put in water gets saturated with it, and Nirvikalpa Samadhi to a doll
 of salt which when immersed in water dissolves and loses itself in it.
 Nirvikalpa is the higher...
 
 It reminds me of the saying by Christ Jesus that:  Whoever finds his
 life (ego) will lose it (Cosmic Awareness), and whoever loses his life
 (litte ego) for my sake will find it (Cosmic Consciousness).

Little ego? as in small self? ego will do, there is no ego and enlightenment 
existing at the 
same time.

You left out sahaja- in both cases with savikalpa and nirvikalpa, it will be 
different if the 
sahahja is either there or not. So Realization is Nirvalkalpa sahaja samadi.

Sarvikalpa sahaja samadi while an exalted state has the me there. There is 
further to go 
yet this is a place one may stop in their journey. This again is a situation 
where when one 
is with a Guru resting in Realization, they will know where the disciple is at 
and then guide 
them to completion. This again is also the significance in knowing that the 
Guru is 
enlightened because they are only capable to take one as far as they themselves 
are.

My Guru had this state and was ready to stop, it was only because of her Guru 
that she 
continued as instructed. Sarvikalpa sahaja Samadi is a very attractive place 
saturated in 
bliss.

Here is an answer to a question from the newest enlightened in our group, 
resting in 
nirvakalpa shaja samadhi since 7 days ago:

Namaste all,

While reading through the posts a question popped up. In the realized
state how do you feel about your loved ones? Do you feel as attached
to them as before or do you now have a different love for them that is
more detached? I am trying to understand how now you are feeling one
with the everyone and everything in the world, how you could chose one
person over another to spend your life with. Would you not love all
people the same?

I am not even sure my question makes sense, but hopefully someone will
get the gist of it.

Amy

Namaste Amy

You love them more than they have been loved, All IS love as all love itself. 
There is no 
*me* to enter in the act of loving, Love IS. Only responsibility to them no 
attachment and 
family remains as is, all is perfectly normal. 

most of what has been remains the same.

if you are with a person who you share your life with there would be no reason 
to change 
that . But if you are single there is no reason to chase after some one because 
there is no 
desires. desires for the most part vanish one dose not feel lonely or dependent 
on an 
other. 

Realization is not an emotion and love is not a feeling but they are also the 
same. don't try 
to figure it out just do the practice an trust the Guru.

Love Light Jyoti

[FairfieldLife] Re: Definitions sahaha, Sarrvikalpa, Nirvikalpa

[purushaz]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote:
 
  Om Namo Narayan 
  
  Sahaja means effortless and continuous - 
  (not simply the result of being in sitting meditation)
  This is rather a continous state of Consciousness versus 
  an experience that comes and goes. 
  
  Sarvikalpa - is still having an identity but it is merged 
  in Oneness. Being One 
  
  Nirvikalpa - is no me remaining - Simply IS. One does 
  not percieve any story any longer it is over. There is only 
  Pure Awareness without any attributes layered over. 
  IN Nirvikalpa Sahaja there are no longer rising thoughts 
  and oneness has dissolved into 0 point balance. 
  
  Maha Shanti
 
 Sri Ramakrishna describes this distinction very well: Savikalpa
 Samadhi was compared by Sri Ramakrishna to a cotton doll which when
 put in water gets saturated with it, and Nirvikalpa Samadhi to a 
doll
 of salt which when immersed in water dissolves and loses itself in 
it.
 Nirvikalpa is the higher...
 


 It reminds me of the saying by Christ Jesus that:  Whoever finds 
his
 life (ego) will lose it (Cosmic Awareness), and whoever loses his 
life
 (litte ego) for my sake will find it (Cosmic Consciousness).
 
 You added the new-age stuff in parentheses.  There's no evidence 
that Jesus promoted nondual Realization. (but no evidence that he 
didn't.)  The Bible doesn't give us clear indications as to what 
Jesus really said, or meant to say.
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Definitions sahaha, Sarrvikalpa, Nirvikalpa

[tertonzeno]

--There's no false ego in Enlightenment; i.e. a delusional I 
associated with identification with mind, at the core of one's 
psyche.
 In spite of the vanishing act that eradicates the delusional I; 
evidence bears out the existence of other types of delusions, 
especially those pertaining to the Guru's notion of self-importance; 
and here the term self applies to body-mind.  Your own Guru 
admits that there's a body-mind after Enlightenment.  I read some of 
your messages.
 That body-mind is fully capable of the most egregious, 
grandious, Emperor/Empress - with no clothes types of delusions; 
e.g. Bevan, and your Guru in particular, who seems to be infatuated 
with herself.  Besides, I dont' see any new information coming from 
her.  OK, she's Enlightened, what does she want, a medal? 


- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote:
  
   Om Namo Narayan 
   
   Sahaja means effortless and continuous - 
   (not simply the result of being in sitting meditation)
   This is rather a continous state of Consciousness versus 
   an experience that comes and goes. 
   
   Sarvikalpa - is still having an identity but it is merged 
   in Oneness. Being One 
   
   Nirvikalpa - is no me remaining - Simply IS. One does 
   not percieve any story any longer it is over. There is only 
   Pure Awareness without any attributes layered over. 
   IN Nirvikalpa Sahaja there are no longer rising thoughts 
   and oneness has dissolved into 0 point balance. 
   
   Maha Shanti
  
  Sri Ramakrishna describes this distinction very well: Savikalpa
  Samadhi was compared by Sri Ramakrishna to a cotton doll which 
when
  put in water gets saturated with it, and Nirvikalpa Samadhi to a 
doll
  of salt which when immersed in water dissolves and loses itself 
in it.
  Nirvikalpa is the higher...
  
  It reminds me of the saying by Christ Jesus that:  Whoever 
finds his
  life (ego) will lose it (Cosmic Awareness), and whoever loses 
his life
  (litte ego) for my sake will find it (Cosmic Consciousness).
 
 Little ego? as in small self? ego will do, there is no ego and 
enlightenment existing at the 
 same time.
 
 You left out sahaja- in both cases with savikalpa and nirvikalpa, 
it will be different if the 
 sahahja is either there or not. So Realization is Nirvalkalpa 
sahaja samadi.
 
 Sarvikalpa sahaja samadi while an exalted state has the me 
there. There is further to go 
 yet this is a place one may stop in their journey. This again is a 
situation where when one 
 is with a Guru resting in Realization, they will know where the 
disciple is at and then guide 
 them to completion. This again is also the significance in knowing 
that the Guru is 
 enlightened because they are only capable to take one as far as 
they themselves are.
 
 My Guru had this state and was ready to stop, it was only because 
of her Guru that she 
 continued as instructed. Sarvikalpa sahaja Samadi is a very 
attractive place saturated in 
 bliss.
 
 Here is an answer to a question from the newest enlightened in our 
group, resting in 
 nirvakalpa shaja samadhi since 7 days ago:
 
 Namaste all,
 
 While reading through the posts a question popped up. In the 
realized
 state how do you feel about your loved ones? Do you feel as 
attached
 to them as before or do you now have a different love for them 
that is
 more detached? I am trying to understand how now you are feeling 
one
 with the everyone and everything in the world, how you could chose 
one
 person over another to spend your life with. Would you not love all
 people the same?
 
 I am not even sure my question makes sense, but hopefully someone 
will
 get the gist of it.
 
 Amy
 
 Namaste Amy
 
 You love them more than they have been loved, All IS love as all 
love itself. There is no 
 *me* to enter in the act of loving, Love IS. Only responsibility 
to them no attachment and 
 family remains as is, all is perfectly normal. 
 
 most of what has been remains the same.
 
 if you are with a person who you share your life with there would 
be no reason to change 
 that . But if you are single there is no reason to chase after 
some one because there is no 
 desires. desires for the most part vanish one dose not feel lonely 
or dependent on an 
 other. 
 
 Realization is not an emotion and love is not a feeling but they 
are also the same. don't try 
 to figure it out just do the practice an trust the Guru.
 
 Love Light Jyoti

[FairfieldLife] Re: Definitions sahaha, Sarrvikalpa, Nirvikalpa

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, purushaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  It reminds me of the saying by Christ Jesus that:  Whoever finds 
 his
  life (ego) will lose it (Cosmic Awareness), and whoever loses his 
 life
  (litte ego) for my sake will find it (Cosmic Consciousness).

 
  You added the new-age stuff in parentheses. 

No, actually that's the way it is in the Bible.


 There's no evidence 
 that Jesus promoted nondual Realization. (but no evidence that he 
 didn't.)  The Bible doesn't give us clear indications as to what 
 Jesus really said, or meant to say.

Are you a Librawhat do you think he (Jesus) meant?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Definitions sahaha, Sarrvikalpa, Nirvikalpa

[Ron]

For the hell of it, I will respond with the general opinions from my camp which 
I think 
differ from your opinions:

 --There's no false ego in Enlightenment;

HP: there is no ego period. - ego is defined as identification with mind and 
body as being 
the self

 i.e. a delusional I 
 associated with identification with mind, at the core of one's 
 psyche.

HP: not anywhere else either

  In spite of the vanishing act that eradicates the delusional I; 
 evidence bears out the existence of other types of delusions, 

HP: The wording here is a little complicated but i think there is a stark 
difference in 
opinion here as all delusions are imploded into Being and there is no one and 
no thing left, 
only iS,  so nope, no delusions left

 especially those pertaining to the Guru's notion of self-importance; 

HP: you will not find anywhere my guru claiming importance as a small self ego 
stance on 
a particular issue, however what is said is an enlightened being is helping 
humanity 24/7

 and here the term self applies to body-mind.  Your own Guru 
 admits that there's a body-mind after Enlightenment.  I read some of 
 your messages.

HP: Now there is- but when this is gone nothing changes - this is why Guru's do 
not care 
if they have a body or not.


  That body-mind is fully capable of the most egregious, 
 grandious, Emperor/Empress - with no clothes types of delusions; 

HP: yup

 e.g. Bevan, and your Guru in particular, who seems to be infatuated 
 with herself.  

HP: No comment on Bevan, and with my Guru, well, you are entitled to your 
opinion

Besides, I dont' see any new information coming from 
 her.  

HP: dont know what you are looking for, I have posted comments from the 
enligthened in 
our group, and the subject matter may be stuff which has not been seen to be 
commented 
on by other enligthened ones, this is rare with reference to the availability 
for most 
probably

OK, she's Enlightened, what does she want, a medal? 

HP: No desires in enlgithenment but you know i am already so over posted with 
all this 
stuff, have covered everything so in actuality by now, all the stances of all 
the members in 
this forum are known and it is not going to change any time soon most likely, 
so now what 
- do you want a medal?
 
 
 - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote:
   
Om Namo Narayan 

Sahaja means effortless and continuous - 
(not simply the result of being in sitting meditation)
This is rather a continous state of Consciousness versus 
an experience that comes and goes. 

Sarvikalpa - is still having an identity but it is merged 
in Oneness. Being One 

Nirvikalpa - is no me remaining - Simply IS. One does 
not percieve any story any longer it is over. There is only 
Pure Awareness without any attributes layered over. 
IN Nirvikalpa Sahaja there are no longer rising thoughts 
and oneness has dissolved into 0 point balance. 

Maha Shanti
   
   Sri Ramakrishna describes this distinction very well: Savikalpa
   Samadhi was compared by Sri Ramakrishna to a cotton doll which 
 when
   put in water gets saturated with it, and Nirvikalpa Samadhi to a 
 doll
   of salt which when immersed in water dissolves and loses itself 
 in it.
   Nirvikalpa is the higher...
   
   It reminds me of the saying by Christ Jesus that:  Whoever 
 finds his
   life (ego) will lose it (Cosmic Awareness), and whoever loses 
 his life
   (litte ego) for my sake will find it (Cosmic Consciousness).
  
  Little ego? as in small self? ego will do, there is no ego and 
 enlightenment existing at the 
  same time.
  
  You left out sahaja- in both cases with savikalpa and nirvikalpa, 
 it will be different if the 
  sahahja is either there or not. So Realization is Nirvalkalpa 
 sahaja samadi.
  
  Sarvikalpa sahaja samadi while an exalted state has the me 
 there. There is further to go 
  yet this is a place one may stop in their journey. This again is a 
 situation where when one 
  is with a Guru resting in Realization, they will know where the 
 disciple is at and then guide 
  them to completion. This again is also the significance in knowing 
 that the Guru is 
  enlightened because they are only capable to take one as far as 
 they themselves are.
  
  My Guru had this state and was ready to stop, it was only because 
 of her Guru that she 
  continued as instructed. Sarvikalpa sahaja Samadi is a very 
 attractive place saturated in 
  bliss.
  
  Here is an answer to a question from the newest enlightened in our 
 group, resting in 
  nirvakalpa shaja samadhi since 7 days ago:
  
  Namaste all,
  
  While reading through the posts a question popped up. In the 
 realized
  state how do you feel about your loved ones? Do you feel as 
 attached
  to them as before or do you now have a different love for