[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember a Humboldt tape where M was talking about drug experiences and he said something like *Taking drugs is like smashing your head through the wall and seeing the room of enlightenment, but you always get yanked back out. Meditation is like walking through the door into the room of enlightenment.* Except that there is no room, and no wall. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember a Humboldt tape where M was talking about drug experiences and he said something like *Taking drugs is like smashing your head through the wall and seeing the room of enlightenment, but you always get yanked back out. Meditation is like walking through the door into the room of enlightenment.* Except that there is no room, and no wall. No dust, either... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
So are you saying that this experience which is being touted as a TM enlightenment experience, was actually an experience from a heroin trip? On 9/10/05 8:24 PM, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The transitory and non-useful nature of a heroine trip (puking and shitting on yourself all night and almost dying for the trip). Losing the experience the next day, only to damage the brain and continue in life in precarious and addictive way. (I knew Jaythough I loved him, he was destined, through his attitude, for the unbearable problems he encountered later). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember a Humboldt tape where M was talking about drug experiences and he said something like *Taking drugs is like smashing your head through the wall and seeing the room of enlightenment, but you always get yanked back out. Meditation is like walking through the door into the room of enlightenment.* Except that there is no room, and no wall. Thats a given. Similes (per like), as well as metaphors, are not literal. Thats their point. Its a comparison, not an equality that is being posed. Your response is like the observations of a blind man in a dark room. And don't go saying but, duude, there is no blind man, there is no dark room! :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
No, you misread the whole thing (as it a was miselading extract). It was Jay Lathom telling Maharishi (in the 1970's) about an experience he had on heroin 5 years before (even before he took up TM). He didn't tell Maharishi it was a heroin trip but MMY probably suspected enough. That does not invalidate Jay's experience but heroin is no way to go about it. Maharishi was just taking it at face value. No-one ever 'touted it as a TM enlightenment experience'. The original extract that was posted is misleading without backgroound info. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So are you saying that this experience which is being touted as a TM enlightenment experience, was actually an experience from a heroin trip? On 9/10/05 8:24 PM, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The transitory and non-useful nature of a heroine trip (puking and shitting on yourself all night and almost dying for the trip). Losing the experience the next day, only to damage the brain and continue in life in precarious and addictive way. (I knew Jaythough I loved him, he was destined, through his attitude, for the unbearable problems he encountered later). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay told me this experience of his in person, and in detail. I believe it is the experience when he was on heroine, and was literally lying in bed puking all over himself all night, and shitting in his pants, while experiencing what he called 'the ancient watcher'...(ie God/Self). He felt like hell for a long time after. Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but it doesn't sound like awakening to me, even though there is truth to the description. A heroine trip doesn't count. The word is heroin. A heroine is what Judy thinks she is. Me, I don't know Jay and don't care. But I have to disagree about the experience not counting if it was experienced while on drugs. A realization is a realization. If it is true, it is as true on drugs as it is not on drugs. The issue that involves drugs is, Will the realization *last*. The answer to that seems pretty clear, in my experience -- drug exper- iences don't last. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they are illusory. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *gate-crash the Kingdom of Heaven* - nice turn of phrase... I remember one particularly vivid experience, where during one of the very early *flying* sessions in Europe, Jay leaped to his feet, bent over and picked up a mutual friend like he was a barbell weight, held the guy up horizontally over Jay's head, and began yelling in his Southern Preacher Voice: *Lord!!! Heal this Sinner!!!* The whole room went beserk. I can't imagine how we were allowed to stay in the little town - it was truly like an insane asylum of the Middle Ages where anything (verbal) went. And we were allowed out on walk-and- talks! I've never really considered how bizarre that must have been for the French and Swiss people - to hear utterly dangerously insane people screaming for hours from within the hotel, and then have these smiling (albeit somewhat pale and pasty looking) faces emerge briefly after lunch... :-) Lol, a real southerner nutter Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay told me this experience of his in person, and in detail. I believe it is the experience when he was on heroine, and was literally lying in bed puking all over himself all night, and shitting in his pants, while experiencing what he called 'the ancient watcher'...(ie God/Self). He felt like hell for a long time after. Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but it doesn't sound like awakening to me, even though there is truth to the description. A heroine trip doesn't count. The word is heroin. A heroine is what Judy thinks she is. Me, I don't know Jay and don't care. But I have to disagree about the experience not counting if it was experienced while on drugs. A realization is a realization. If it is true, it is as true on drugs as it is not on drugs. The issue that involves drugs is, Will the realization *last*. The answer to that seems pretty clear, in my experience -- drug exper- iences don't last. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they are illusory. Right.Now your gettin' there. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay told me this experience of his in person, and in detail. I believe it is the experience when he was on heroine, and was literally lying in bed puking all over himself all night, and shitting in his pants, while experiencing what he called 'the ancient watcher'...(ie God/Self). He felt like hell for a long time after. Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but it doesn't sound like awakening to me, Why would your opinion one way or another burst our bubble? :-) even though there is truth to the description. A heroine trip doesn't count. snip I agree with MMY on this one -- wholeness knows itself :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay told me this experience of his in person, and in detail. I believe it is the experience when he was on heroine, and was literally lying in bed puking all over himself all night, and shitting in his pants, while experiencing what he called 'the ancient watcher'...(ie God/Self). He felt like hell for a long time after. Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but it doesn't sound like awakening to me, Why would your opinion one way or another burst our bubble? :-) To late. It's already busted. even though there is truth to the description. A heroine trip doesn't count. snip I agree with MMY on this one -- wholeness knows itself :-) Kieth Moon, Janis Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix, Kurt Cobain were all enlightened..yeah right. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay told me this experience of his in person, and in detail. I believe it is the experience when he was on heroine, and was literally lying in bed puking all over himself all night, and shitting in his pants, while experiencing what he called 'the ancient watcher'...(ie God/Self). He felt like hell for a long time after. Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but it doesn't sound like awakening to me, Why would your opinion one way or another burst our bubble? :-) To late. It's already busted. *lol* We do have a high opinion of ourselves, don't we :-) even though there is truth to the description. A heroine trip doesn't count. snip I agree with MMY on this one -- wholeness knows itself :-) Kieth Moon, Janis Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix, Kurt Cobain were all enlightened..yeah right. Could be; I have no idea. I was speaking of Jay's understanding, which is correct, as MMY points out :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay told me this experience of his in person, and in detail. I believe it is the experience when he was on heroine, and was literally lying in bed puking all over himself all night, and shitting in his pants, while experiencing what he called 'the ancient watcher'...(ie God/Self). He felt like hell for a long time after. Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but it doesn't sound like awakening to me, Why would your opinion one way or another burst our bubble? :-) To late. It's already busted. *lol* We do have a high opinion of ourselves, don't we :-) even though there is truth to the description. A heroine trip doesn't count. snip I agree with MMY on this one -- wholeness knows itself :-) Kieth Moon, Janis Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix, Kurt Cobain were all enlightened..yeah right. Could be; I have no idea. I was speaking of Jay's understanding, which is correct, as MMY points out :-) Yes , as I already pointed out in a previous post. Sorry I should have just said that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay told me this experience of his in person, and in detail. I believe it is the experience when he was on heroine, and was literally lying in bed puking all over himself all night, and shitting in his pants, while experiencing what he called 'the ancient watcher'...(ie God/Self). He felt like hell for a long time after. Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but it doesn't sound like awakening to me, Why would your opinion one way or another burst our bubble? :-) To late. It's already busted. *lol* We do have a high opinion of ourselves, don't we :-) even though there is truth to the description. A heroine trip doesn't count. snip I agree with MMY on this one -- wholeness knows itself :-) Kieth Moon, Janis Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix, Kurt Cobain were all enlightened..yeah right. Could be; I have no idea. I was speaking of Jay's understanding, which is correct, as MMY points out :-) Yes , as I already pointed out in a previous post. Sorry I should have just said that. You seemed to be implying somehow -- because Jay's undertanding appears to have been precipitated by drugs -- that I believed that all drug-users were enlightened. I am saying only that wholeness recognizes itself. I don't particularly care whether the preciptating factor is bus-fumes, a tomato, heroin(e), Jesus, the Buddha, MMY, TM, or quitting TM :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I don't particularly care whether the preciptating factor is bus-fumes, a tomato, heroin(e), Jesus, the Buddha, MMY, TM, or quitting TM :-) *lol* preciptating is missing the central (i) :-) awakening is everywhere Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay told me this experience of his in person, and in detail. I believe it is the experience when he was on heroine, and was literally lying in bed puking all over himself all night, and shitting in his pants, while experiencing what he called 'the ancient watcher'...(ie God/Self). He felt like hell for a long time after. Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but it doesn't sound like awakening to me, Why would your opinion one way or another burst our bubble? :-) To late. It's already busted. *lol* We do have a high opinion of ourselves, don't we :-) even though there is truth to the description. A heroine trip doesn't count. snip I agree with MMY on this one -- wholeness knows itself :-) Kieth Moon, Janis Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix, Kurt Cobain were all enlightened..yeah right. Could be; I have no idea. I was speaking of Jay's understanding, which is correct, as MMY points out :-) Yes , as I already pointed out in a previous post. Sorry I should have just said that. You seemed to be implying somehow -- because Jay's undertanding appears to have been precipitated by drugs -- that I believed that all drug-users were enlightened. I am saying only that wholeness recognizes itself. I don't particularly care whether the preciptating factor is bus-fumes, a tomato, heroin(e), Jesus, the Buddha, MMY, TM, or quitting TM :-). Dude, we are going round in circles here. I already pointed this out in a previous post last night, before you pointed it out, and agree with it. Let us not disagree about our agreement. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay told me this experience of his in person, and in detail. I believe it is the experience when he was on heroine, and was literally lying in bed puking all over himself all night, and shitting in his pants, while experiencing what he called 'the ancient watcher'...(ie God/Self). He felt like hell for a long time after. Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but it doesn't sound like awakening to me, Why would your opinion one way or another burst our bubble? :-) To late. It's already busted. *lol* We do have a high opinion of ourselves, don't we :-) even though there is truth to the description. A heroine trip doesn't count. snip I agree with MMY on this one -- wholeness knows itself :- ) Kieth Moon, Janis Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix, Kurt Cobain were all enlightened..yeah right. Could be; I have no idea. I was speaking of Jay's understanding, which is correct, as MMY points out :-) Yes , as I already pointed out in a previous post. Sorry I should have just said that. You seemed to be implying somehow -- because Jay's undertanding appears to have been precipitated by drugs -- that I believed that all drug-users were enlightened. I am saying only that wholeness recognizes itself. I don't particularly care whether the preciptating factor is bus-fumes, a tomato, heroin(e), Jesus, the Buddha, MMY, TM, or quitting TM :-). Dude, we are going round in circles here. I already pointed this out in a previous post last night, before you pointed it out, and agree with it. Let us not disagree about our agreement. Who am I to disagree :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, Judy. He was on heroin when he had the experience, which was quite some time before the course where he related the experience to Maharishi. I knew Jay quite well for many years - spent a few years on long rounding courses with him. He was one of the most manic-depressive people I've ever known. Had he been diagnosed as manic-depressive, and if so, was he under treatment for it, do you know? (Just curious.) snip I don't doubt his experience of realization. I also don't doubt that he fell into a totally black pit shortly after that. I think he threw himself into the TM technique and TMO in a desperate attempt to stabilize himself - to literally save himself from himself. Turns out that we're the only ones who can save ourselves. That must have been a very tough realization for Jay. What do you think he could have done to save himself? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay told me this experience of his in person, and in detail. I believe it is the experience when he was on heroine, and was literally lying in bed puking all over himself all night, and shitting in his pants, while experiencing what he called 'the ancient watcher'...(ie God/Self). He felt like hell for a long time after. Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but it doesn't sound like awakening to me, Why would your opinion one way or another burst our bubble? :-) To late. It's already busted. even though there is truth to the description. A heroine trip doesn't count. snip I agree with MMY on this one -- wholeness knows itself :-) Kieth Moon, Janis Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix, Kurt Cobain were all enlightened..yeah right. Janis and Cobain certainly not...but Moon and Hendrix? Of course! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not...but Moon and Hendrix? Of course! Just ask the Axis! He knows Everything! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay told me this experience of his in person, and in detail. I believe it is the experience when he was on heroine, and was literally lying in bed puking all over himself all night, and shitting in his pants, while experiencing what he called 'the ancient watcher'...(ie God/Self). He felt like hell for a long time after. Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but it doesn't sound like awakening to me, Why would your opinion one way or another burst our bubble? :-) To late. It's already busted. even though there is truth to the description. A heroine trip doesn't count. snip I agree with MMY on this one -- wholeness knows itself :-) Kieth Moon, Janis Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix, Kurt Cobain were all enlightened..yeah right. Janis and Cobain certainly not...but Moon and Hendrix? Of course! I'd put Cobain on top. He found his love of the world and people in general hard to bear. Excrutiating when it cannot be assimilated in a greater silence. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, Judy. He was on heroin when he had the experience, which was quite some time before the course where he related the experience to Maharishi. I knew Jay quite well for many years - spent a few years on long rounding courses with him. He was one of the most manic- depressive people I've ever known. Had he been diagnosed as manic-depressive, and if so, was he under treatment for it, do you know? (Just curious.) snip I don't doubt his experience of realization. I also don't doubt that he fell into a totally black pit shortly after that. I think he threw himself into the TM technique and TMO in a desperate attempt to stabilize himself - to literally save himself from himself. Turns out that we're the only ones who can save ourselves. That must have been a very tough realization for Jay. What do you think he could have done to save himself? Calming down and taking it easy and getting off alcahol and drugs Without knowing anything about him but what's been said here, I'd wonder if the drugs and alcohol weren't an attempt to self-medicate. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] The issue that involves drugs is, Will the realization *last*. The answer to that seems pretty clear, in my experience -- drug exper- iences don't last. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they are illusory. That has been MMY's pointonthe subject as well, I understand. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
No question they were self-medication. But a personality that strong has a very hard time resisting the slippery slope to addiction. He could never do anything part-way, whether it was TM, journeys to India, or drugs. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, Judy. He was on heroin when he had the experience, which was quite some time before the course where he related the experience to Maharishi. I knew Jay quite well for many years - spent a few years on long rounding courses with him. He was one of the most manic- depressive people I've ever known. Had he been diagnosed as manic-depressive, and if so, was he under treatment for it, do you know? (Just curious.) snip I don't doubt his experience of realization. I also don't doubt that he fell into a totally black pit shortly after that. I think he threw himself into the TM technique and TMO in a desperate attempt to stabilize himself - to literally save himself from himself. Turns out that we're the only ones who can save ourselves. That must have been a very tough realization for Jay. What do you think he could have done to save himself? Calming down and taking it easy and getting off alcahol and drugs Without knowing anything about him but what's been said here, I'd wonder if the drugs and alcohol weren't an attempt to self-medicate. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
I remember a Humboldt tape where M was talking about drug experiences and he said something like *Taking drugs is like smashing your head through the wall and seeing the room of enlightenment, but you always get yanked back out. Meditation is like walking through the door into the room of enlightenment.* --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] The issue that involves drugs is, Will the realization *last*. The answer to that seems pretty clear, in my experience -- drug exper- iences don't last. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they are illusory. That has been MMY's pointonthe subject as well, I understand. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, Judy. He was on heroin when he had the experience, which was quite some time before the course where he related the experience to Maharishi. I knew Jay quite well for many years - spent a few years on long rounding courses with him. He was one of the most manic- depressive people I've ever known. Had he been diagnosed as manic-depressive, and if so, was he under treatment for it, do you know? (Just curious.) snip I don't doubt his experience of realization. I also don't doubt that he fell into a totally black pit shortly after that. I think he threw himself into the TM technique and TMO in a desperate attempt to stabilize himself - to literally save himself from himself. Turns out that we're the only ones who can save ourselves. That must have been a very tough realization for Jay. What do you think he could have done to save himself? Calming down and taking it easy and getting off alcahol and drugs Without knowing anything about him but what's been said here, I'd wonder if the drugs and alcohol weren't an attempt to self-medicate. A life-long long, dark night of the soul, perhaps? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
Jay told me this experience of his in person, and in detail. I believe it is the experience when he was on heroine, and was literally lying in bed puking all over himself all night, and shitting in his pants, while experiencing what he called 'the ancient watcher'...(ie God/Self). He felt like hell for a long time after. Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but it doesn't sound like awakening to me, even though there is truth to the description. A heroine trip doesn't count. By the wayI never found out how Jay died? Anybody know? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Subject: AEGTC, Switzerland 1976 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Williams) AEGTC, Switzerland 1976 By Jay Latham Never had I seen him respond so powerfully. It was as if the Hammer of God was slamming that table. He then exclaimed loudly, This is real wholeness! Jay Latham: Maharishi, these experiences I've had over the past six months have been glimpses of enlightenment for me. I had a tremendous awakening experience before I started TM, but due to the circumstances, I feel a little shy about telling it in the group. I then sent him a thought message that I would relate my experience and not the circumstances. Maharishi paused for a moment to think about what I'd just said. It'll be all right to tell it, he said finally, in a thoughtful sort of way. Maharishi, you've said that for every state of consciousness there is a separate, corresponding state of reality. Waking state has its reality, dream state has its reality, and deep sleep is another reality. Yes. You've taught us that transcendental consciousness is a fourth state of consciousness?a fourth reality that is the underlying reality of all life. Yes. And you've taught that cosmic consciousness is a higher state of reality, because one never loses consciousness of the transcendent even during waking, dreaming and sleeping. Yes. You've also said that God consciousness and unity consciousness are even deeper states of reality; so we have all these states of consciousness and all these states of corresponding realities. Maharishi said yes this time in a somewhat impatient way, as if to convey, Get to the point, where are you going with this? I'd been feeling an almighty power rise up inside of me as I asked Maharishi each one of these questions, because I was consciously setting him up to refute all that he had just said. I knew he knew the truth, but I wanted him to come out with it in a way he had never done before. It was time for us to stop playing around like little children at his feet, and elicit from him the real truth. A great rage suddenly ripped through my chest, burning the lie in my heart. I wanted Maharishi to kill it right then and there, for all time. Maharishi, in the experience of wholeness I had before I started TM, what you've just said that basically reality is different in different states of consciousness, is a total lie! What I experienced one night five years ago, is that there is only one reality, has always been one reality, and will forever be one reality! EVERYTHING ELSE IS A COMPLETE AND TOTAL LIE! YES! YES! YES! Maharishi loudly proclaimed. With each YES, his fist came down on the table, Bang, Bang, Bang! Never had I seen him respond so powerfully. It was as if the Hammer of God was slamming that table. He then exclaimed loudly, This is real wholeness! I don't want to hear anything but experiences of real wholeness! Continue with your experience. What I discovered in my experience, Maharishi, was that the personality I know as Jay Latharn is a complete, fictitious lie. There is only one Being, God. Everything else, even the 'reality' of God consciousness, is an illusion. It's just like Shankara said. Now this is the real experience of wholeness! Maharishi proclaimed excitedly. What happened is that I had an experience in which I went through all of the states of consciousness. When I hit cosmic consciousness I closed my eyes to meditate and witnessed creation in the flow of soma out of the bindu point between my eyes. Everything shot out of that point, in stereo?whatever came out on the left came out on the right. I saw the mechanics of creation. It was the most amazing sight I ever saw. After that I started having celestial perception with my eyes open. I then briefly explained the major points of my experiencethe jewels I'd seen in the ceiling and how things were constructed of light rays created from God's mind?how I walked and moved through a cosmic plasma that erased the force of gravity, etc. Maharishi was paying close attention to what I was saying, and having his attention on me like this was like having God Almighty bum the lie right out of my heart. The
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
What specifically doesn't sound like enlightenment to you. I'm curious. --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay told me this experience of his in person, and in detail. I believe it is the experience when he was on heroine, and was literally lying in bed puking all over himself all night, and shitting in his pants, while experiencing what he called 'the ancient watcher'...(ie God/Self). He felt like hell for a long time after. Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but it doesn't sound like awakening to me, even though there is truth to the description. A heroine trip doesn't count. By the wayI never found out how Jay died? Anybody know? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Subject: AEGTC, Switzerland 1976 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Williams) AEGTC, Switzerland 1976 By Jay Latham Never had I seen him respond so powerfully. It was as if the Hammer of God was slamming that table. He then exclaimed loudly, This is real wholeness! Jay Latham: Maharishi, these experiences I've had over the past six months have been glimpses of enlightenment for me. I had a tremendous awakening experience before I started TM, but due to the circumstances, I feel a little shy about telling it in the group. I then sent him a thought message that I would relate my experience and not the circumstances. Maharishi paused for a moment to think about what I'd just said. It'll be all right to tell it, he said finally, in a thoughtful sort of way. Maharishi, you've said that for every state of consciousness there is a separate, corresponding state of reality. Waking state has its reality, dream state has its reality, and deep sleep is another reality. Yes. You've taught us that transcendental consciousness is a fourth state of consciousness?a fourth reality that is the underlying reality of all life. Yes. And you've taught that cosmic consciousness is a higher state of reality, because one never loses consciousness of the transcendent even during waking, dreaming and sleeping. Yes. You've also said that God consciousness and unity consciousness are even deeper states of reality; so we have all these states of consciousness and all these states of corresponding realities. Maharishi said yes this time in a somewhat impatient way, as if to convey, Get to the point, where are you going with this? I'd been feeling an almighty power rise up inside of me as I asked Maharishi each one of these questions, because I was consciously setting him up to refute all that he had just said. I knew he knew the truth, but I wanted him to come out with it in a way he had never done before. It was time for us to stop playing around like little children at his feet, and elicit from him the real truth. A great rage suddenly ripped through my chest, burning the lie in my heart. I wanted Maharishi to kill it right then and there, for all time. Maharishi, in the experience of wholeness I had before I started TM, what you've just said that basically reality is different in different states of consciousness, is a total lie! What I experienced one night five years ago, is that there is only one reality, has always been one reality, and will forever be one reality! EVERYTHING ELSE IS A COMPLETE AND TOTAL LIE! YES! YES! YES! Maharishi loudly proclaimed. With each YES, his fist came down on the table, Bang, Bang, Bang! Never had I seen him respond so powerfully. It was as if the Hammer of God was slamming that table. He then exclaimed loudly, This is real wholeness! I don't want to hear anything but experiences of real wholeness! Continue with your experience. What I discovered in my experience, Maharishi, was that the personality I know as Jay Latharn is a complete, fictitious lie. There is only one Being, God. Everything else, even the 'reality' of God consciousness, is an illusion. It's just like Shankara said. Now this is the real experience of wholeness! Maharishi proclaimed excitedly. What happened is that I had an experience in which I went through all of the states of consciousness. When I hit cosmic consciousness I closed my eyes to meditate and witnessed creation in the flow of soma out of the bindu point between my eyes. Everything shot out of that point, in stereo?whatever came out on the left came out on the right. I saw the mechanics of creation. It was the most amazing sight I ever saw. After that I started having celestial perception with my eyes open. I then briefly explained the major points of my experiencethe jewels I'd seen in the ceiling and how things were constructed of
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
The transitory and non-useful nature of a heroine trip (puking and shitting on yourself all night and almost dying for the trip). Losing the experience the next day, only to damage the brain and continue in life in precarious and addictive way. (I knew Jaythough I loved him, he was destined, through his attitude, for the unbearable problems he encountered later). Off-World --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What specifically doesn't sound like enlightenment to you. I'm curious. --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay told me this experience of his in person, and in detail. I believe it is the experience when he was on heroine, and was literally lying in bed puking all over himself all night, and shitting in his pants, while experiencing what he called 'the ancient watcher'...(ie God/Self). He felt like hell for a long time after. Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but it doesn't sound like awakening to me, even though there is truth to the description. A heroine trip doesn't count. By the wayI never found out how Jay died? Anybody know? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Subject: AEGTC, Switzerland 1976 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Williams) AEGTC, Switzerland 1976 By Jay Latham Never had I seen him respond so powerfully. It was as if the Hammer of God was slamming that table. He then exclaimed loudly, This is real wholeness! Jay Latham: Maharishi, these experiences I've had over the past six months have been glimpses of enlightenment for me. I had a tremendous awakening experience before I started TM, but due to the circumstances, I feel a little shy about telling it in the group. I then sent him a thought message that I would relate my experience and not the circumstances. Maharishi paused for a moment to think about what I'd just said. It'll be all right to tell it, he said finally, in a thoughtful sort of way. Maharishi, you've said that for every state of consciousness there is a separate, corresponding state of reality. Waking state has its reality, dream state has its reality, and deep sleep is another reality. Yes. You've taught us that transcendental consciousness is a fourth state of consciousness?a fourth reality that is the underlying reality of all life. Yes. And you've taught that cosmic consciousness is a higher state of reality, because one never loses consciousness of the transcendent even during waking, dreaming and sleeping. Yes. You've also said that God consciousness and unity consciousness are even deeper states of reality; so we have all these states of consciousness and all these states of corresponding realities. Maharishi said yes this time in a somewhat impatient way, as if to convey, Get to the point, where are you going with this? I'd been feeling an almighty power rise up inside of me as I asked Maharishi each one of these questions, because I was consciously setting him up to refute all that he had just said. I knew he knew the truth, but I wanted him to come out with it in a way he had never done before. It was time for us to stop playing around like little children at his feet, and elicit from him the real truth. A great rage suddenly ripped through my chest, burning the lie in my heart. I wanted Maharishi to kill it right then and there, for all time. Maharishi, in the experience of wholeness I had before I started TM, what you've just said that basically reality is different in different states of consciousness, is a total lie! What I experienced one night five years ago, is that there is only one reality, has always been one reality, and will forever be one reality! EVERYTHING ELSE IS A COMPLETE AND TOTAL LIE! YES! YES! YES! Maharishi loudly proclaimed. With each YES, his fist came down on the table, Bang, Bang, Bang! Never had I seen him respond so powerfully. It was as if the Hammer of God was slamming that table. He then exclaimed loudly, This is real wholeness! I don't want to hear anything but experiences of real wholeness! Continue with your experience. What I discovered in my experience, Maharishi, was that the personality I know as Jay Latharn is a complete, fictitious lie. There is only one Being, God. Everything else, even the 'reality' of God consciousness, is an illusion. It's just like Shankara said. Now this is the real experience of wholeness! Maharishi proclaimed excitedly. What happened is that I had
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
I read his book. I thought the first half -- about his experiences becoming a Marine on Paris Island -- was the best account of boot camp I've ever read or seen (even outdid both An officer and a gentlemen and Full metal jacket in that regard). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The transitory and non-useful nature of a heroine trip (puking and shitting on yourself all night and almost dying for the trip). Losing the experience the next day, only to damage the brain and continue in life in precarious and addictive way. (I knew Jaythough I loved him, he was destined, through his attitude, for the unbearable problems he encountered later). Off-World --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What specifically doesn't sound like enlightenment to you. I'm curious. --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay told me this experience of his in person, and in detail. I believe it is the experience when he was on heroine, and was literally lying in bed puking all over himself all night, and shitting in his pants, while experiencing what he called 'the ancient watcher'...(ie God/Self). He felt like hell for a long time after. Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but it doesn't sound like awakening to me, even though there is truth to the description. A heroine trip doesn't count. By the wayI never found out how Jay died? Anybody know? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Subject: AEGTC, Switzerland 1976 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Williams) AEGTC, Switzerland 1976 By Jay Latham Never had I seen him respond so powerfully. It was as if the Hammer of God was slamming that table. He then exclaimed loudly, This is real wholeness! Jay Latham: Maharishi, these experiences I've had over the past six months have been glimpses of enlightenment for me. I had a tremendous awakening experience before I started TM, but due to the circumstances, I feel a little shy about telling it in the group. I then sent him a thought message that I would relate my experience and not the circumstances. Maharishi paused for a moment to think about what I'd just said. It'll be all right to tell it, he said finally, in a thoughtful sort of way. Maharishi, you've said that for every state of consciousness there is a separate, corresponding state of reality. Waking state has its reality, dream state has its reality, and deep sleep is another reality. Yes. You've taught us that transcendental consciousness is a fourth state of consciousness?a fourth reality that is the underlying reality of all life. Yes. And you've taught that cosmic consciousness is a higher state of reality, because one never loses consciousness of the transcendent even during waking, dreaming and sleeping. Yes. You've also said that God consciousness and unity consciousness are even deeper states of reality; so we have all these states of consciousness and all these states of corresponding realities. Maharishi said yes this time in a somewhat impatient way, as if to convey, Get to the point, where are you going with this? I'd been feeling an almighty power rise up inside of me as I asked Maharishi each one of these questions, because I was consciously setting him up to refute all that he had just said. I knew he knew the truth, but I wanted him to come out with it in a way he had never done before. It was time for us to stop playing around like little children at his feet, and elicit from him the real truth. A great rage suddenly ripped through my chest, burning the lie in my heart. I wanted Maharishi to kill it right then and there, for all time. Maharishi, in the experience of wholeness I had before I started TM, what you've just said that basically reality is different in different states of consciousness, is a total lie! What I experienced one night five years ago, is that there is only one reality, has always been one reality, and will forever be one reality! EVERYTHING ELSE IS A COMPLETE AND TOTAL LIE! YES! YES! YES! Maharishi loudly proclaimed. With each YES, his fist came down on the table, Bang, Bang, Bang! Never had I seen him respond so powerfully. It was as if the Hammer of God was slamming that table. He then exclaimed loudly, This is real wholeness! I don't want to hear
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read his book. I thought the first half -- about his experiences becoming a Marine on Paris Island -- was the best account of boot camp I've ever read or seen (even outdid both An officer and a gentlemen and Full metal jacket in that regard). I'll give you Officer and a Gentleman, but no way Full Metal Jacket. (then again, I didn't read Jay's book) lurk __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read his book. I thought the first half -- about his experiences becoming a Marine on Paris Island -- was the best account of boot camp I've ever read or seen (even outdid both An officer and a gentlemen and Full metal jacket in that regard). I'll give you Officer and a Gentleman, but no way Full Metal Jacket. (then again, I didn't read Jay's book) Give it a try...I think you'll be impressed! lurk __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The transitory and non-useful nature of a heroine trip (puking and shitting on yourself all night and almost dying for the trip). Losing the experience the next day, only to damage the brain and continue in life in precarious and addictive way. (I knew Jaythough I loved him, he was destined, through his attitude, for the unbearable problems he encountered later). I'm confused. He was on heroin when he was on the course where he related this experience to Maharishi? Off-World --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What specifically doesn't sound like enlightenment to you. I'm curious. --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay told me this experience of his in person, and in detail. I believe it is the experience when he was on heroine, and was literally lying in bed puking all over himself all night, and shitting in his pants, while experiencing what he called 'the ancient watcher'...(ie God/Self). He felt like hell for a long time after. Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but it doesn't sound like awakening to me, even though there is truth to the description. A heroine trip doesn't count. By the wayI never found out how Jay died? Anybody know? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Subject: AEGTC, Switzerland 1976 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Williams) AEGTC, Switzerland 1976 By Jay Latham Never had I seen him respond so powerfully. It was as if the Hammer of God was slamming that table. He then exclaimed loudly, This is real wholeness! Jay Latham: Maharishi, these experiences I've had over the past six months have been glimpses of enlightenment for me. I had a tremendous awakening experience before I started TM, but due to the circumstances, I feel a little shy about telling it in the group. I then sent him a thought message that I would relate my experience and not the circumstances. Maharishi paused for a moment to think about what I'd just said. It'll be all right to tell it, he said finally, in a thoughtful sort of way. Maharishi, you've said that for every state of consciousness there is a separate, corresponding state of reality. Waking state has its reality, dream state has its reality, and deep sleep is another reality. Yes. You've taught us that transcendental consciousness is a fourth state of consciousness?a fourth reality that is the underlying reality of all life. Yes. And you've taught that cosmic consciousness is a higher state of reality, because one never loses consciousness of the transcendent even during waking, dreaming and sleeping. Yes. You've also said that God consciousness and unity consciousness are even deeper states of reality; so we have all these states of consciousness and all these states of corresponding realities. Maharishi said yes this time in a somewhat impatient way, as if to convey, Get to the point, where are you going with this? I'd been feeling an almighty power rise up inside of me as I asked Maharishi each one of these questions, because I was consciously setting him up to refute all that he had just said. I knew he knew the truth, but I wanted him to come out with it in a way he had never done before. It was time for us to stop playing around like little children at his feet, and elicit from him the real truth. A great rage suddenly ripped through my chest, burning the lie in my heart. I wanted Maharishi to kill it right then and there, for all time. Maharishi, in the experience of wholeness I had before I started TM, what you've just said that basically reality is different in different states of consciousness, is a total lie! What I experienced one night five years ago, is that there is only one reality, has always been one reality, and will forever be one reality! EVERYTHING ELSE IS A COMPLETE AND TOTAL LIE! YES! YES! YES! Maharishi loudly proclaimed. With each YES, his fist came down on the table, Bang, Bang, Bang! Never had I seen him respond so powerfully. It was as if the Hammer of God was slamming that table. He then exclaimed loudly, This is real wholeness! I don't want to hear anything but experiences of real wholeness! Continue with your experience. What I discovered in my experience, Maharishi,
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The transitory and non-useful nature of a heroine trip (puking and shitting on yourself all night and almost dying for the trip). Losing the experience the next day, only to damage the brain and continue in life in precarious and addictive way. (I knew Jaythough I loved him, he was destined, through his attitude, for the unbearable problems he encountered later). I'm confused. He was on heroin when he was on the course where he related this experience to Maharishi? No. If it the experience he related to me , he was on heroin when he had the experience , which he related this experience to Maharishi years later. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
No, Judy. He was on heroin when he had the experience, which was quite some time before the course where he related the experience to Maharishi. I knew Jay quite well for many years - spent a few years on long rounding courses with him. He was one of the most manic-depressive people I've ever known. The force of his personality was remarkable, in both its upswings and its downs. He would preach the absolute horrible evils of associating with women and sex to a whole course one month, and then six months get married. Poor woman - my now ex-wife and I spent a few days consoling her when they showed up on our doorstep on their wedding night with Jay asking for his own room so he could lock her out to protect himself from his *horrible, sinful weakness*. I don't doubt his experience of realization. I also don't doubt that he fell into a totally black pit shortly after that. I think he threw himself into the TM technique and TMO in a desperate attempt to stabilize himself - to literally save himself from himself. Turns out that we're the only ones who can save ourselves. That must have been a very tough realization for Jay. I wish his soul well, and, in particular, wish his soul peace. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The transitory and non-useful nature of a heroine trip (puking and shitting on yourself all night and almost dying for the trip). Losing the experience the next day, only to damage the brain and continue in life in precarious and addictive way. (I knew Jaythough I loved him, he was destined, through his attitude, for the unbearable problems he encountered later). I'm confused. He was on heroin when he was on the course where he related this experience to Maharishi? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The transitory and non-useful nature of a heroine trip (puking and shitting on yourself all night and almost dying for the trip). Losing the experience the next day, only to damage the brain and continue in life in precarious and addictive way. (I knew Jaythough I loved him, he was destined, through his attitude, for the unbearable problems he encountered later). I'm confused. He was on heroin when he was on the course where he related this experience to Maharishi? No. If it the experience he related to me , he was on heroin when he had the experience , which he related this experience to Maharishi years later. But in the account that was posted here, he refers to the experiences he describes as having occurred over the past six months. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip No. If it the experience he related to me , he was on heroin when he had the experience , which he related this experience to Maharishi years later. But in the account that was posted here, he refers to the experiences he describes as having occurred over the past six months. Never mind...I went back and read it again, and he does talk about having had good experiences over the past six months, but the biggie he described to MMY had occurred five years before that. As you were... Sorry! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The transitory and non-useful nature of a heroine trip (puking and shitting on yourself all night and almost dying for the trip). Losing the experience the next day, only to damage the brain and continue in life in precarious and addictive way. (I knew Jaythough I loved him, he was destined, through his attitude, for the unbearable problems he encountered later). I'm confused. He was on heroin when he was on the course where he related this experience to Maharishi? No. If it the experience he related to me , he was on heroin when he had the experience , which he related this experience to Maharishi years later. But in the account that was posted here, he refers to the experiences he describes as having occurred over the past six months. Then I am pretty sure that this six months timeframe is innacurate as his experience was the most powerful that he described to me that was a heroin trip, before he took up TM I think. Not to invalidate the knowledge gained from the trip, but it is no valuable way to gain it . Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip No. If it the experience he related to me , he was on heroin when he had the experience , which he related this experience to Maharishi years later. But in the account that was posted here, he refers to the experiences he describes as having occurred over the past six months. Never mind...I went back and read it again, and he does talk about having had good experiences over the past six months, but the biggie he described to MMY had occurred five years before that. As you were... Sorry! Oh ok, that makes sense to what he described to me. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, Judy. He was on heroin when he had the experience, which was quite some time before the course where he related the experience to Maharishi. I knew Jay quite well for many years - spent a few years on long rounding courses with him. He was one of the most manic-depressive people I've ever known. The force of his personality was remarkable, in both its upswings and its downs. This last sentance described Jay very well, but he needed to kill his ego and not his life. He was remarkable, and some of his stories from the Himalayas and other experiences were some of the most electrifying and evocative I have ever heard from a seeker. He tried to gate-crash the Kingdom of Heaven and almost succeeded. Off_world Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Jay Lathom Book, .......uh......jya
*gate-crash the Kingdom of Heaven* - nice turn of phrase... I remember one particularly vivid experience, where during one of the very early *flying* sessions in Europe, Jay leaped to his feet, bent over and picked up a mutual friend like he was a barbell weight, held the guy up horizontally over Jay's head, and began yelling in his Southern Preacher Voice: *Lord!!! Heal this Sinner!!!* The whole room went beserk. I can't imagine how we were allowed to stay in the little town - it was truly like an insane asylum of the Middle Ages where anything (verbal) went. And we were allowed out on walk-and-talks! I've never really considered how bizarre that must have been for the French and Swiss people - to hear utterly dangerously insane people screaming for hours from within the hotel, and then have these smiling (albeit somewhat pale and pasty looking) faces emerge briefly after lunch... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, Judy. He was on heroin when he had the experience, which was quite some time before the course where he related the experience to Maharishi. I knew Jay quite well for many years - spent a few years on long rounding courses with him. He was one of the most manic-depressive people I've ever known. The force of his personality was remarkable, in both its upswings and its downs. This last sentance described Jay very well, but he needed to kill his ego and not his life. He was remarkable, and some of his stories from the Himalayas and other experiences were some of the most electrifying and evocative I have ever heard from a seeker. He tried to gate-crash the Kingdom of Heaven and almost succeeded. Off_world Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
