[FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary backs reconciliation talks with Taliban

2009-04-01 Thread Hugo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 Hillary backs reconciliation talks with Taliban if they are willing  
 to abandon violence


It's causing a lot of confusion in the allied troops fighting
the Taliban too. We all rush out here to help america and then 4 years later 
they start doing deals without telling anyone! Do we
keep bombing them or not? How do we know who's friendly. Is anyone
really kidding themselves there is going to be a worthwhile solution
to this. Does anyone ever learn the mistakes of history.

This whole thing is a monumental disaster. Pakistan, rather than having to 
fight them, has given a piece of it's own territory to 
the taliban so they can practise sharia law on the inhabitants. 
How is that going to do anything other than spread their disease
all over Pakistan. And every western bomb creates more fighters
ready to die for the cause. And in a country we gave the nuclear 
bomb.


 So apparently, if they are willing to abandon violence and pursue  
 their goal of implementing Islamic law by other means, that is just  
 fine with her. Here is yet another demonstration of the danger of  
 misdiagnosis of the global jihad threat: the problem is not the means  
 the Taliban use, the problem is their goal. The Taliban are not bad  
 because they are violent -- after all, so are the forces that oppose  
 them. However, as far as the President and the Secretary of State are  
 concerned, that is the only problem with them. If they try to  
 accomplish their goals at the ballot box rather than with guns and  
 bombs, Obama and Clinton would welcome them as partners. The fact  
 that the Taliban want to impose a law upon Afghanistan that would  
 subjugate women and non-Muslims as inferiors, denied equality of  
 rights with Muslim men, and extinguish freedom of speech and freedom  
 of conscience, means nothing to them.
 
 And why should it? Karzai's Afghanistan is already a Sharia state,  
 according to the Afghan Constitution.
 
 US backs reconciliation with non-violent Taliban, from AFP, March  
 31 (thanks to JE):
 
 US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Tuesday backed Afghanistan's  
 plans to hold reconciliation talks with members of the Taliban or  
 past Al-Qaeda supporters who reject violence.
 We must ... support efforts by the government of Afghanistan to  
 separate the extremists of Al-Qaeda and the Taliban from those who  
 joined their ranks not out of conviction, but out of desperation,  
 she said.
 They should be offered an honourable form of reconciliation and  
 reintegration into a peaceful society, if they are willing to abandon  
 violence, break with Al-Qaeda, and support the constitution
 
 
 Why not? The Afghan Constitution declares that Sharia is the highest  
 law of the land.
 
 
 
 Esp. interesting since  the Afghan president just signed allow  
 legalizing rape. Hillary to you have a letter from Bill?:
 
 
 
 It will be forever ignored or denied by those who insist that Islam  
 is a Religion of Peace, but in reality there is no Misunderstanding  
 of Islam going on here. Every provision of this law as stated in this  
 article, including the rule that women cannot refuse sex to their  
 husbands at any time or for any reason, is part of traditional  
 Islamic law. And so this new law is yet another indication of how the  
 overtures to the Taliban from official Washington are out of focus.  
 Will the U.S. stand up for these women and defend them? Absolutely  
 not, because they are being victimized by Sharia, to which Washington  
 has no apparent objection, and because they are not being blown up in  
 terrorist attacks. The passing of a law in a non-violent manner --  
 what's the problem? It's democracy at work!
 
 Hamid Karzai signs law 'legalising rape in marriage,' by Ben Farmer  
 in the Telegraph, March 31 (thanks to Leal):
 
 President Hamid Karzai has signed a law the UN says legalises rape in  
 marriage and prevents women from leaving the house without permission.
 The law, which has not been publicly released, is believed to state  
 women can only seek work, education or doctor's appointments with  
 their husband's permission.
 Only fathers and grandfathers are granted custody of children under  
 the law, according to the United Nations Development Fund for Women.
 Opponents of the legislation governing the personal lives of  
 Afghanistan's Shia minority have said it is worse than during the  
 Taliban.
 Mr Karzai has been accused of electioneering at the expense of  
 women's rights by signing the law to appeal to crucial Shia swing  
 voters in this year's presidential poll.
 While the Afghan constitution guarantees equal rights for women, it  
 also allows the Shia community, thought to represent 10 per cent of  
 the population, the right to settle family law cases according to  
 Shia law.
 The Shiite Personal Status Law contains provisions on marriage,  
 divorce, inheritance, rights of movement and 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary backs reconciliation talks with Taliban

2009-04-01 Thread Richard J. Williams
  Hillary backs reconciliation talks with Taliban 
  if they are willing to abandon violence

Hugo wrote:
 It's causing a lot of confusion in the allied troops 
 fighting the Taliban too. We all rush out here to help 
 america and then 4 years later they start doing deals 
 without telling anyone! 

That would be 'America' to you, Hugo, with a capital 'A'.

We pay for their military protection, we pay for the 
profits that develop the drugs and consumer goods they 
happily consume, and now we're supposed to pay for their 
economic bailout too. Europe could liberalize its markets, 
let in immigrants, develop a real military, instead of 
just critiquing the way we do it. We'll continue to let 
them free ride, because there's no way to stop it. But 
I'm starting to think we should rub it in a bit more.

Read more:

'Europe Free Rides, Again'
Posted by Megan McArdle
The Atlantic, March 31, 2009
http://tinyurl.com/dhgvlv