[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect and Inquiry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What's really funny for me right now is how everything is flipped > upside down and inside out. I have zero formal training in > self-inquiry, and asking myself "who am I" used to result in nothing > but frustration and an immediate shift of attention to anything else. > Recently, I've been asking myself the same question, and it literally > shuts down my intellect, every time. I ask the question and I > immediately zone out into awareness. So, what's being used? I don't > know! It seems like it starts with intellect, but the answer is > utterly beyond it. Very Cool! I really enjoy reading about these experiences of yours. Real and true freedom. > > Similarly, for the past 10-12 years, I couldn't tolerate more than 3-5 > minutes of TM at a time. But, the other morning, I woke up at 3:30am > and sat up to meditate. No mantra came to me, and I just sat there, > silently witnessing the breath, which became very faint. And, 20 > minutes went by in a flash. In all my years of doing TM, I *never* had > as profoundly deep a meditation as that. I was all like, "No no no! > You don't meditate to awaken! You awaken so you can meditate!" LOL!!! > Great. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect and Inquiry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > That the simple statment, "the intellect is a quite useful* > > > > tool in the attainment of higher states" was found so > > > > incorrect by some readers as to be hilarious, at least > > > > can't help but raise a smile. > > > > > > That's a topic I participated in, but it was Barry who viciously > > > attacked you with his laughter. I only disagreed in a respectful > > tone. > > > > > > > So much talk on this list, particularly by neo-advaitans > > > > or pseudo-advaitans, is about the great value of > > > > self-inquiry. What exactly is used in self-inquiry, ones > > > > big toe? > > > > > > What's really funny for me right now is how everything is flipped > > > upside down and inside out. I have zero formal training in > > > self-inquiry, and asking myself "who am I" used to result in > nothing > > > but frustration and an immediate shift of attention to anything > > else. > > > Recently, I've been asking myself the same question, and it > > literally > > > shuts down my intellect, every time. I ask the question and I > > > immediately zone out into awareness. So, what's being used? I > don't > > > know! It seems like it starts with intellect, but the answer is > > > utterly beyond it. > > > > > > Similarly, for the past 10-12 years, I couldn't tolerate more > than > > 3-5 > > > minutes of TM at a time. But, the other morning, I woke up at > 3:30am > > > and sat up to meditate. No mantra came to me, and I just sat > there, > > > silently witnessing the breath, which became very faint. And, 20 > > > minutes went by in a flash. In all my years of doing TM, I > *never* > > had > > > as profoundly deep a meditation as that. I was all like, "No no > no! > > > You don't meditate to awaken! You awaken so you can meditate!" > > LOL!!! > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > Even the thought ABOUT the mantra is the mantra... > > > > Also, kill that Buddha dude. Look, I'm not a chubby chaser, but just because that Buddha dude is packing on some extra pounds is no reason to kill him. > Who cares if the meditation was deep or not? Hell, I don't even care whether I meditate or not! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect and Inquiry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > That the simple statment, "the intellect is a quite useful* > > > tool in the attainment of higher states" was found so > > > incorrect by some readers as to be hilarious, at least > > > can't help but raise a smile. > > > > That's a topic I participated in, but it was Barry who viciously > > attacked you with his laughter. I only disagreed in a respectful > tone. > > > > > So much talk on this list, particularly by neo-advaitans > > > or pseudo-advaitans, is about the great value of > > > self-inquiry. What exactly is used in self-inquiry, ones > > > big toe? > > > > What's really funny for me right now is how everything is flipped > > upside down and inside out. I have zero formal training in > > self-inquiry, and asking myself "who am I" used to result in nothing > > but frustration and an immediate shift of attention to anything > else. > > Recently, I've been asking myself the same question, and it > literally > > shuts down my intellect, every time. I ask the question and I > > immediately zone out into awareness. So, what's being used? I don't > > know! It seems like it starts with intellect, but the answer is > > utterly beyond it. > > > > Similarly, for the past 10-12 years, I couldn't tolerate more than > 3-5 > > minutes of TM at a time. But, the other morning, I woke up at 3:30am > > and sat up to meditate. No mantra came to me, and I just sat there, > > silently witnessing the breath, which became very faint. And, 20 > > minutes went by in a flash. In all my years of doing TM, I *never* > had > > as profoundly deep a meditation as that. I was all like, "No no no! > > You don't meditate to awaken! You awaken so you can meditate!" > LOL!!! > > > > Alex > > > > Even the thought ABOUT the mantra is the mantra... > Also, kill that Buddha dude. Who cares if the meditation was deep or not? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect and Inquiry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > That the simple statment, "the intellect is a quite useful* > > tool in the attainment of higher states" was found so > > incorrect by some readers as to be hilarious, at least > > can't help but raise a smile. > > That's a topic I participated in, but it was Barry who viciously > attacked you with his laughter. I only disagreed in a respectful tone. > > > So much talk on this list, particularly by neo-advaitans > > or pseudo-advaitans, is about the great value of > > self-inquiry. What exactly is used in self-inquiry, ones > > big toe? > > What's really funny for me right now is how everything is flipped > upside down and inside out. I have zero formal training in > self-inquiry, and asking myself "who am I" used to result in nothing > but frustration and an immediate shift of attention to anything else. > Recently, I've been asking myself the same question, and it literally > shuts down my intellect, every time. I ask the question and I > immediately zone out into awareness. So, what's being used? I don't > know! It seems like it starts with intellect, but the answer is > utterly beyond it. > > Similarly, for the past 10-12 years, I couldn't tolerate more than 3-5 > minutes of TM at a time. But, the other morning, I woke up at 3:30am > and sat up to meditate. No mantra came to me, and I just sat there, > silently witnessing the breath, which became very faint. And, 20 > minutes went by in a flash. In all my years of doing TM, I *never* had > as profoundly deep a meditation as that. I was all like, "No no no! > You don't meditate to awaken! You awaken so you can meditate!" LOL!!! > > Alex > Even the thought ABOUT the mantra is the mantra... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect and Inquiry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > That the simple statment, "the intellect is a quite useful* > > > > > tool in the attainment of higher states" was found so > > > > > incorrect by some readers as to be hilarious, at least > > > > > can't help but raise a smile. > > > > > > > > That's a topic I participated in, but it was Barry who > > > > viciously > > > > attacked you with his laughter. I only disagreed in a > > > > respectful tone. > > > > > > I believe that technically "diagreeing in a respectful > > > tone" is considered merely an 'affront,' not an 'attack.' > > > And to qualify as a 'vicious attack,' I believe that the > > > laughter in question has to draw blood. Are you bleeding, > > > Anon? > > > > just on my fist from pounding the floor in laughter > > Better watch out, dude...Judy has declared that > laughing at someone is by definition an attack, > and that only hypocrites dare disagree with > that declaration. > > You just admitted to laughing. Therefore, Accord- > ing To Judy, you must have intended to *attack* the > person you were laughing at, which I have to assume > is moi. If you *were* laughing at me, to claim that > you did *not* intend to attack me is, again According > To Judy, is to mark yourself as a hypocrite. > > All in all, I think you're safer to say that you > were pounding your fist on the floor in anger. I > don't think she's made any pronouncements from on > high yet about anger. :-) Peter has. He says that I am "full of it." :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect and Inquiry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > That the simple statment, "the intellect is a quite useful* tool in > > > the attainment of higher states" was found so incorrect by some > > > readers as to be hilarious, at least can't help but raise a smile. So > > > much talk on this list, particularly by neo-advaitans or > > > pseudo-advaitans, is about the great value of self-inquiry. What > > > exactly is used in self-inquiry, ones big toe? > > > > > > > > > > > > * In a later post, "quite useful" was substituted for the origninal > > > term "necessary" -- which may be too extreme, though I beleive MMY > > > goes as far to do that in the Gita. > > > > > You are cherry picking what was stated and it creates a distortion > > about what was said. Everyone agrees that the intellect is essential > > in the attainment of higher states. However, when you no longer need > > it, let it go, vs holding on to previous conceptual models defining > > where you are headed. > > > Big cognitive error on your part Jim. There is no cherry picking. > Above is 100% of what I said, "the intellect is a quite useful tool in > the attainment of higher states". That statment was found hilarious by > Barry. > Oh- I was thinking of earlier statements by others-- didn't track Barry's stuff- Ok... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect and Inquiry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > That the simple statment, "the intellect is a quite useful* > > > > > tool in the attainment of higher states" was found so > > > > > incorrect by some readers as to be hilarious, at least > > > > > can't help but raise a smile. > > > > > > > > That's a topic I participated in, but it was Barry who > > > > viciously > > > > attacked you with his laughter. I only disagreed in a > > > > respectful tone. > > > > > > I believe that technically "diagreeing in a respectful > > > tone" is considered merely an 'affront,' not an 'attack.' > > > And to qualify as a 'vicious attack,' I believe that the > > > laughter in question has to draw blood. Are you bleeding, > > > Anon? > > > > just on my fist from pounding the floor in laughter > > Better watch out, dude...Judy has declared that > laughing at someone is by definition an attack, > and that only hypocrites dare disagree with > that declaration. > > You just admitted to laughing. Therefore, Accord- > ing To Judy, you must have intended to *attack* the > person you were laughing at, which I have to assume > is moi. If you *were* laughing at me, to claim that > you did *not* intend to attack me is, again According > To Judy, is to mark yourself as a hypocrite. > > All in all, I think you're safer to say that you > were pounding your fist on the floor in anger. I > don't think she's made any pronouncements from on > high yet about anger. :-) Dude, let go of the intellect. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect and Inquiry
> > > > That the simple statment, "the intellect is a quite useful* > > > > tool in the attainment of higher states" was found so > > > > incorrect by some readers as to be hilarious, at least > > > > can't help but raise a smile. > > > > > > That's a topic I participated in, but it was Barry who > > > viciously > > > attacked you with his laughter. I only disagreed in a > > > respectful tone. > > > > I believe that technically "diagreeing in a respectful > > tone" is considered merely an 'affront,' not an 'attack.' > > And to qualify as a 'vicious attack,' I believe that the > > laughter in question has to draw blood. Are you bleeding, > > Anon? > > just on my fist from pounding the floor in laughter Better watch out, dude...Judy has declared that laughing at someone is by definition an attack, and that only hypocrites dare disagree with that declaration. You just admitted to laughing. Therefore, Accord- ing To Judy, you must have intended to *attack* the person you were laughing at, which I have to assume is moi. If you *were* laughing at me, to claim that you did *not* intend to attack me is, again According To Judy, is to mark yourself as a hypocrite. All in all, I think you're safer to say that you were pounding your fist on the floor in anger. I don't think she's made any pronouncements from on high yet about anger. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect and Inquiry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > That the simple statment, "the intellect is a quite useful* > > > tool in the attainment of higher states" was found so > > > incorrect by some readers as to be hilarious, at least > > > can't help but raise a smile. > > > > That's a topic I participated in, but it was Barry who viciously > > attacked you with his laughter. I only disagreed in a respectful > > tone. > > I believe that technically "diagreeing in a respectful > tone" is considered merely an 'affront,' not an 'attack.' > And to qualify as a 'vicious attack,' I believe that the > laughter in question has to draw blood. Are you bleeding, > Anon? just on my fist from pounding the floor in laughter Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect and Inquiry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > That the simple statment, "the intellect is a quite useful* > > tool in the attainment of higher states" was found so > > incorrect by some readers as to be hilarious, at least > > can't help but raise a smile. > > That's a topic I participated in, but it was Barry who viciously > attacked you with his laughter. I only disagreed in a respectful tone I appreciate your respectful tone, but I did not find Barry viscious or jis laughter an attack. Something has to have substance to be an attack. My issue was "lets stick to knowledge" If he had laughed and said why, I would not have commented. He did comment later so all is well that ends well. Though its funny that in his comment,he revealed that he was laughing at his interpretation and added personal assumptions about what I said, laughing at stuff in his head, not what I actually said. > > > So much talk on this list, particularly by neo-advaitans > > or pseudo-advaitans, is about the great value of > > self-inquiry. What exactly is used in self-inquiry, ones > > big toe? > > What's really funny for me right now is how everything is flipped > upside down and inside out. I have zero formal training in > self-inquiry, and asking myself "who am I" used to result in nothing > but frustration and an immediate shift of attention to anything else. > Recently, I've been asking myself the same question, and it literally > shuts down my intellect, every time. I ask the question and I > immediately zone out into awareness. So, what's being used? I don't > know! It seems like it starts with intellect, but the answer is > utterly beyond it. > Similarly, for the past 10-12 years, I couldn't tolerate more than 3-5 > minutes of TM at a time. But, the other morning, I woke up at 3:30am > and sat up to meditate. No mantra came to me, and I just sat there, > silently witnessing the breath, which became very faint. And, 20 > minutes went by in a flash. In all my years of doing TM, I *never* had > as profoundly deep a meditation as that. I was all like, "No no no! > You don't meditate to awaken! You awaken so you can meditate!" LOL!!! > > Alex > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect and Inquiry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > That the simple statment, "the intellect is a quite useful* > > tool in the attainment of higher states" was found so > > incorrect by some readers as to be hilarious, at least > > can't help but raise a smile. > > That's a topic I participated in, but it was Barry who viciously > attacked you with his laughter. I only disagreed in a respectful > tone. I believe that technically "diagreeing in a respectful tone" is considered merely an 'affront,' not an 'attack.' And to qualify as a 'vicious attack,' I believe that the laughter in question has to draw blood. Are you bleeding, Anon? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect and Inquiry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > That the simple statment, "the intellect is a quite useful* tool in > > > the attainment of higher states" was found so incorrect by some > > > readers as to be hilarious, at least can't help but raise a smile. So > > > much talk on this list, particularly by neo-advaitans or > > > pseudo-advaitans, is about the great value of self-inquiry. What > > > exactly is used in self-inquiry, ones big toe? > > > > > > > > > > > > * In a later post, "quite useful" was substituted for the origninal > > > term "necessary" -- which may be too extreme, though I beleive MMY > > > goes as far to do that in the Gita. > > > > > You are cherry picking what was stated and it creates a distortion > > about what was said. Everyone agrees that the intellect is essential > > in the attainment of higher states. However, when you no longer need > > it, let it go, vs holding on to previous conceptual models defining > > where you are headed. > > > Big cognitive error on your part Jim. There is no cherry picking. > Above is 100% of what I said, "the intellect is a quite useful tool in > the attainment of higher states". That statment was found hilarious by Barry. Which is doubly funny, because Barry started this whole discussion by laughing at what was in his head -- a cognitive error in his head about what I said, not what i actually said. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect and Inquiry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That the simple statment, "the intellect is a quite useful* > tool in the attainment of higher states" was found so > incorrect by some readers as to be hilarious, at least > can't help but raise a smile. That's a topic I participated in, but it was Barry who viciously attacked you with his laughter. I only disagreed in a respectful tone. > So much talk on this list, particularly by neo-advaitans > or pseudo-advaitans, is about the great value of > self-inquiry. What exactly is used in self-inquiry, ones > big toe? What's really funny for me right now is how everything is flipped upside down and inside out. I have zero formal training in self-inquiry, and asking myself "who am I" used to result in nothing but frustration and an immediate shift of attention to anything else. Recently, I've been asking myself the same question, and it literally shuts down my intellect, every time. I ask the question and I immediately zone out into awareness. So, what's being used? I don't know! It seems like it starts with intellect, but the answer is utterly beyond it. Similarly, for the past 10-12 years, I couldn't tolerate more than 3-5 minutes of TM at a time. But, the other morning, I woke up at 3:30am and sat up to meditate. No mantra came to me, and I just sat there, silently witnessing the breath, which became very faint. And, 20 minutes went by in a flash. In all my years of doing TM, I *never* had as profoundly deep a meditation as that. I was all like, "No no no! You don't meditate to awaken! You awaken so you can meditate!" LOL!!! Alex Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect and Inquiry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Everyone agrees that the intellect is essential > in the attainment of higher states. Not to nitpick, but not everyone agrees with that. :-) The intellect is considered valuable by some paths that have the goal of attaining higher states of consciousness. Whether the intellect is actually *useful* in attaining those states is another question. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect and Inquiry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > That the simple statment, "the intellect is a quite useful* tool in > > the attainment of higher states" was found so incorrect by some > > readers as to be hilarious, at least can't help but raise a smile. So > > much talk on this list, particularly by neo-advaitans or > > pseudo-advaitans, is about the great value of self-inquiry. What > > exactly is used in self-inquiry, ones big toe? > > > > > > > > * In a later post, "quite useful" was substituted for the origninal > > term "necessary" -- which may be too extreme, though I beleive MMY > > goes as far to do that in the Gita. > > > You are cherry picking what was stated and it creates a distortion > about what was said. Everyone agrees that the intellect is essential > in the attainment of higher states. However, when you no longer need > it, let it go, vs holding on to previous conceptual models defining > where you are headed. Big cognitive error on your part Jim. There is no cherry picking. Above is 100% of what I said, "the intellect is a quite useful tool in the attainment of higher states". That statment was found hilarious by Barry. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect and Inquiry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That the simple statment, "the intellect is a quite useful* tool in > the attainment of higher states" was found so incorrect by some > readers as to be hilarious, at least can't help but raise a smile. So > much talk on this list, particularly by neo-advaitans or > pseudo-advaitans, is about the great value of self-inquiry. What > exactly is used in self-inquiry, ones big toe? > > > > * In a later post, "quite useful" was substituted for the origninal > term "necessary" -- which may be too extreme, though I beleive MMY > goes as far to do that in the Gita. > You are cherry picking what was stated and it creates a distortion about what was said. Everyone agrees that the intellect is essential in the attainment of higher states. However, when you no longer need it, let it go, vs holding on to previous conceptual models defining where you are headed. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
