[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-17 Thread guyfawkes91

 I lived diagonally from them on a couple of occasions and I was
 explicitly told that all the security was to protect the pundits.
 MUM's head of security wouldn't lie to me, would he?


Try throwing some wire cutters over the fence next time you're there. They 
might appreciate the gesture.





RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-16 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of boo_lives
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:39 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's
highschools?
 
 Why do they need barbed wire?
 Perhaps that is because of the fundies in town or some other deranged
person(s), who might be motivated in a passionate way, to do harm to a
peaceful visitor from India.
 Safety First!
 It's a shame Fairfield, Iowa, USA...still has this dilemma.
 R.G.

Has nothing whatsoever to do with fundies, the fence is to keep the pundits
in. they do not want the pundits talking with anyone about their
circumstances and situation.
Nor do they want them running off to Iowa City or FF bars of having affairs
with local women, both of which have happened.
 


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-16 Thread I am the eternal
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote:



 Why do they need barbed wire?
 Perhaps that is because of the fundies in town or some other deranged
 person(s), who might be motivated in a passionate way, to do harm to a
 peaceful visitor from India.
 Safety First!
 It's a shame Fairfield, Iowa, USA...still has this dilemma.
 R.G.

 Has nothing whatsoever to do with fundies, the fence is to keep the pundits
 in. they do not want the pundits talking with anyone about their
 circumstances and situation.

 Nor do they want them running off to Iowa City or FF bars of having affairs
 with local women, both of which have happened.

I lived diagonally from them on a couple of occasions and I was
explicitly told that all the security was to protect the pundits.
MUM's head of security wouldn't lie to me, would he?


RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-16 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of I am the eternal
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 1:30 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's
highschools?
 
I lived diagonally from them on a couple of occasions and I was
explicitly told that all the security was to protect the pundits.
MUM's head of security wouldn't lie to me, would he?
He meant protect them from themselves.
 


[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread guyfawkes91
 
 Imagine this lecturer giving us an analysis of the TMO.
 
It would be about as far left on his spectrum as you could get. An extreme 
oligarchy with Bevan as de-facto ruler and Nader as puppet figurehead, and the 
Rajas obediently following the command of a small clique centered around Bevan, 
though Hagelin  Nader do try to exert a moderating influence. The TMO is 
facism in a petri dish, it has most of the characteristics of facsism but 
neutered by the mellowing influence of TM. You can prod it, poke it and analyze 
it without being dragged out of your bed in the middle of the night to be shot. 

If the global country was a real country with borders it would be one of those 
countries that have border guards to keep people in not to keep people out.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread Robert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawke...@... wrote:

  
  Imagine this lecturer giving us an analysis of the TMO.
  
 It would be about as far left on his spectrum as you could get. An extreme 
 oligarchy with Bevan as de-facto ruler and Nader as puppet figurehead, and 
 the Rajas obediently following the command of a small clique centered around 
 Bevan, though Hagelin  Nader do try to exert a moderating influence. The TMO 
 is facism in a petri dish, it has most of the characteristics of facsism but 
 neutered by the mellowing influence of TM. You can prod it, poke it and 
 analyze it without being dragged out of your bed in the middle of the night 
 to be shot. 
 
 If the global country was a real country with borders it would be one of 
 those countries that have border guards to keep people in not to keep people 
 out.

Perhaps many have been reincarnated from the previous period...
The Samsaras of the Nazi Era, are being worked out in the TMO.
Maharishi attracted to him, the ones with the most need in this area, to 
release the strong Samsaras, so that the consciousness of the earth could be 
'once and for all', rid of these demi-gods.

It is interesting to note, that on day of the announcement that Maharishi had 
passed, was on the day that Barack Obama sailed on 'Super Tuesday'...
The torch had been passed...
R.G.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread Robert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawke...@... wrote:

 
  Perhaps many have been reincarnated from the previous period...
  The Samsaras of the Nazi Era, are being worked out in the TMO.
  Maharishi attracted to him, the ones with the most need in this area, to 
  release the strong Samsaras, so that the consciousness of the earth could 
  be 'once and for all', rid of these demi-gods.
  
  It is interesting to note, that on day of the announcement that Maharishi 
  had passed, was on the day that Barack Obama sailed on 'Super Tuesday'...
  The torch had been passed...
  R.G.
 People re-incarnating from previous lives as Nazis? This kind of analysis 
 is a complete waste of time, a very poor substitute for careful thinking. It 
 presupposes that some people are inherently evil, but it fact research has 
 shown that in the right circumstances pretty much everyone can be persuaded 
 to do bad things. 
 
 It's true that some people do find it easier than others to take on the role 
 of camp komandant and get a kick out of ordering people around even to the 
 point of having them done away with. But it's very much the nature of the 
 collective morality of the group that allows that to happen. Most evil things 
 aren't done by evil people, they're mostly done by clerks and minor 
 functionaries, minuted by committee, stamped and approved by the relevant 
 authorities. 
 
 I think a more correct way of seeing things is to notice that as soon as a 
 group of people develop the notion that their cause is so right that everyday 
 ethics and simple compassion can be abandoned then they start down the road 
 to unpleasant extremism. It's something that has been played out so many 
 times in the course of history there's almost a standard script with 
 established roles in the play. 
 
 North Korea, the Bush administration, medieval Catholicism, the Taleban, 
 Zionism, Nazism, Russian Communism, or the milder and more contained present 
 structure of the TMO. They all share the idea that their cause is so right 
 that it's OK to trample on the heads of other people. The thing to watch out 
 for is any sign of harshness in the way a group deals with its members or 
 dissenters. That seems to be pretty much diagnostic of the disease, and it's 
 a symptom the TMO certainly has. But the underlying cause is lack of 
 humility. 
 
 These things aren't due to Demi-Gods who need to clear up samsaras. It's 
 just a plain consequence of how human nature works in groups. Recent history, 
 and certainly most the 20th century has been about learning how to recognize 
 and deal with this unpleasant facet of human society. It's interesting to 
 note that countries that have recently escaped from that kind of thing are 
 quicker to recognise it and react against it than countries who never really 
 been through it. I.e. the reaction of the Berlin audience to Schiffgens or 
 the Spanish courts taking on the legal brains behind the Bush policy of 
 arbitrary imprisonment and torture. Or even more mildly, Goran (from 
 ex-Yugoslavia) taking on John Konhaus.
 
 Any group with a devoted following of people who believe their cause is right 
 and who have a strong leader who will allow no disaggreement will end up in 
 trouble. There's no need to use demi-gods to explain things.

I shouldn't have used the word 'demi-god'...
My point was, that if some people were traumatized in different ways, during 
the Nazi Era, then you could see how the experience might effect them in this 
life-time.
For example, some people feel victimized, others feel superior and 'entitled.
This is all I meant.
R.G.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread guyfawkes91

 Perhaps many have been reincarnated from the previous period...
 The Samsaras of the Nazi Era, are being worked out in the TMO.
 Maharishi attracted to him, the ones with the most need in this area, to 
 release the strong Samsaras, so that the consciousness of the earth could be 
 'once and for all', rid of these demi-gods.
 
 It is interesting to note, that on day of the announcement that Maharishi had 
 passed, was on the day that Barack Obama sailed on 'Super Tuesday'...
 The torch had been passed...
 R.G.
People re-incarnating from previous lives as Nazis? This kind of analysis is 
a complete waste of time, a very poor substitute for careful thinking. It 
presupposes that some people are inherently evil, but it fact research has 
shown that in the right circumstances pretty much everyone can be persuaded to 
do bad things. 

It's true that some people do find it easier than others to take on the role of 
camp komandant and get a kick out of ordering people around even to the point 
of having them done away with. But it's very much the nature of the collective 
morality of the group that allows that to happen. Most evil things aren't done 
by evil people, they're mostly done by clerks and minor functionaries, minuted 
by committee, stamped and approved by the relevant authorities. 

I think a more correct way of seeing things is to notice that as soon as a 
group of people develop the notion that their cause is so right that everyday 
ethics and simple compassion can be abandoned then they start down the road to 
unpleasant extremism. It's something that has been played out so many times in 
the course of history there's almost a standard script with established roles 
in the play. 

North Korea, the Bush administration, medieval Catholicism, the Taleban, 
Zionism, Nazism, Russian Communism, or the milder and more contained present 
structure of the TMO. They all share the idea that their cause is so right that 
it's OK to trample on the heads of other people. The thing to watch out for is 
any sign of harshness in the way a group deals with its members or dissenters. 
That seems to be pretty much diagnostic of the disease, and it's a symptom the 
TMO certainly has. But the underlying cause is lack of humility. 

These things aren't due to Demi-Gods who need to clear up samsaras. It's just 
a plain consequence of how human nature works in groups. Recent history, and 
certainly most the 20th century has been about learning how to recognize and 
deal with this unpleasant facet of human society. It's interesting to note that 
countries that have recently escaped from that kind of thing are quicker to 
recognise it and react against it than countries who never really been through 
it. I.e. the reaction of the Berlin audience to Schiffgens or the Spanish 
courts taking on the legal brains behind the Bush policy of arbitrary 
imprisonment and torture. Or even more mildly, Goran (from ex-Yugoslavia) 
taking on John Konhaus.

Any group with a devoted following of people who believe their cause is right 
and who have a strong leader who will allow no disaggreement will end up in 
trouble. There's no need to use demi-gods to explain things.

 

 




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread Vaj


On Apr 14, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Robert wrote:


Perhaps many have been reincarnated from the previous period...
The Samsaras of the Nazi Era, are being worked out in the TMO.
Maharishi attracted to him, the ones with the most need in this  
area, to release the strong Samsaras, so that the consciousness of  
the earth could be 'once and for all', rid of these demi-gods.


Seeded meditation does not remove samskaras, let alone strong  
samskaras; it merely plants nicer seeds to (hopefully) drown out  
the weeds.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread Robert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawkes91@ wrote:
 
   Imagine this lecturer giving us an analysis of the TMO.
   
  It would be about as far left on his spectrum as you 
  could get. An extreme oligarchy with Bevan as de-facto 
  ruler and Nader as puppet figurehead, and the Rajas 
  obediently following the command of a small clique 
  centered around Bevan, though Hagelin  Nader do try 
  to exert a moderating influence. 
 
 Can't argue with this.
 
  The TMO is facism in a petri dish, it has most of the 
  characteristics of facsism but neutered by the mellowing 
  influence of TM. You can prod it, poke it and analyze it 
  without being dragged out of your bed in the middle of 
  the night to be shot. 
 
 I would characterize it more as a royal
 society with overtones of fascism, very 
 similar to the society portrayed in the
 new American TV series Kings.
 
 The difference there is that the King
 really does have the power to have you
 dragged out of your bed in the middle of
 the night and shot, and does just that.
 And so far, there is no hereditary inher-
 itance of the Kingship.
 
  If the global country was a real country with borders it 
  would be one of those countries that have border guards 
  to keep people in not to keep people out.
 
 You mean like the barbed wire around the
 pundit compound in Fairfield?  :-)

Why do they need barbed wire?
Perhaps that is because of the fundies in town or some  other deranged 
person(s), who might be motivated in a passionate way, to do harm to a peaceful 
visitor from India.
Safety First!
It's a shame Fairfield, Iowa, USA...still has this dilemma.
R.G.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread Robert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Apr 14, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Robert wrote:
 
  Perhaps many have been reincarnated from the previous period...
  The Samsaras of the Nazi Era, are being worked out in the TMO.
  Maharishi attracted to him, the ones with the most need in this  
  area, to release the strong Samsaras, so that the consciousness of  
  the earth could be 'once and for all', rid of these demi-gods.
 
 Seeded meditation does not remove samskaras, let alone strong  
 samskaras; it merely plants nicer seeds to (hopefully) drown out  
 the weeds.

What do you feel would: 
Remove samskaras, especially 'strong' samskaras?
R.G.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawke...@... wrote:

  Imagine this lecturer giving us an analysis of the TMO.
  
 It would be about as far left on his spectrum as you 
 could get. An extreme oligarchy with Bevan as de-facto 
 ruler and Nader as puppet figurehead, and the Rajas 
 obediently following the command of a small clique 
 centered around Bevan, though Hagelin  Nader do try 
 to exert a moderating influence. 

Can't argue with this.

 The TMO is facism in a petri dish, it has most of the 
 characteristics of facsism but neutered by the mellowing 
 influence of TM. You can prod it, poke it and analyze it 
 without being dragged out of your bed in the middle of 
 the night to be shot. 

I would characterize it more as a royal
society with overtones of fascism, very 
similar to the society portrayed in the
new American TV series Kings.

The difference there is that the King
really does have the power to have you
dragged out of your bed in the middle of
the night and shot, and does just that.
And so far, there is no hereditary inher-
itance of the Kingship.

 If the global country was a real country with borders it 
 would be one of those countries that have border guards 
 to keep people in not to keep people out.

You mean like the barbed wire around the
pundit compound in Fairfield?  :-)





[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawkes91@ wrote:
  
   If the global country was a real country with borders it 
   would be one of those countries that have border guards 
   to keep people in not to keep people out.
  
  You mean like the barbed wire around the
  pundit compound in Fairfield?  :-)
 
 Why do they need barbed wire?
 Perhaps that is because of the fundies in town or some  
 other deranged person(s), who might be motivated in a 
 passionate way, to do harm to a peaceful visitor from India.
 Safety First!
 It's a shame Fairfield, Iowa, USA...still has this dilemma.

Thank you for providing another example of
how completely wrong I was yesterday to 
suggest that there might just be a them 
vs. us mentality associated with TM True 
Believerism.

:-)

Robert, this has been discussed here before.
It's pretty clear that the fences were built 
to keep the pundits in, not anyone else out.

Why some people within the TMO obviously 
felt that the fences were necessary is another 
question, one that has not been adequately 
answered.

Has it occurred to you that your rationali-
zation for the presence of the fences doesn't
place much faith in the power of the ME? Or
did I miss the part of Maharishi's talks on
invincibility in which he mentioned the use
of barbed wire?  :-)







Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread Vaj


On Apr 14, 2009, at 7:35 AM, Robert wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:



On Apr 14, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Robert wrote:


Perhaps many have been reincarnated from the previous period...
The Samsaras of the Nazi Era, are being worked out in the TMO.
Maharishi attracted to him, the ones with the most need in this
area, to release the strong Samsaras, so that the consciousness of
the earth could be 'once and for all', rid of these demi-gods.


Seeded meditation does not remove samskaras, let alone strong
samskaras; it merely plants nicer seeds to (hopefully) drown out
the weeds.


What do you feel would:
Remove samskaras, especially 'strong' samskaras?



 Asamprajnata-samadhi is the smashan (the burning ground) of the  
samskaras in the yoga tradition.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread Marek Reavis
Most evil things aren't done by evil people, they're mostly done by clerks and 
minor functionaries, minuted by committee, stamped and approved by the relevant 
authorities.  

Well said, Guy, and important to realize.  

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawke...@... wrote:

 
  Perhaps many have been reincarnated from the previous period...
  The Samsaras of the Nazi Era, are being worked out in the TMO.
  Maharishi attracted to him, the ones with the most need in this area, to 
  release the strong Samsaras, so that the consciousness of the earth could 
  be 'once and for all', rid of these demi-gods.
  
  It is interesting to note, that on day of the announcement that Maharishi 
  had passed, was on the day that Barack Obama sailed on 'Super Tuesday'...
  The torch had been passed...
  R.G.
 People re-incarnating from previous lives as Nazis? This kind of analysis 
 is a complete waste of time, a very poor substitute for careful thinking. It 
 presupposes that some people are inherently evil, but it fact research has 
 shown that in the right circumstances pretty much everyone can be persuaded 
 to do bad things. 
 
 It's true that some people do find it easier than others to take on the role 
 of camp komandant and get a kick out of ordering people around even to the 
 point of having them done away with. But it's very much the nature of the 
 collective morality of the group that allows that to happen. Most evil things 
 aren't done by evil people, they're mostly done by clerks and minor 
 functionaries, minuted by committee, stamped and approved by the relevant 
 authorities. 
 
 I think a more correct way of seeing things is to notice that as soon as a 
 group of people develop the notion that their cause is so right that everyday 
 ethics and simple compassion can be abandoned then they start down the road 
 to unpleasant extremism. It's something that has been played out so many 
 times in the course of history there's almost a standard script with 
 established roles in the play. 
 
 North Korea, the Bush administration, medieval Catholicism, the Taleban, 
 Zionism, Nazism, Russian Communism, or the milder and more contained present 
 structure of the TMO. They all share the idea that their cause is so right 
 that it's OK to trample on the heads of other people. The thing to watch out 
 for is any sign of harshness in the way a group deals with its members or 
 dissenters. That seems to be pretty much diagnostic of the disease, and it's 
 a symptom the TMO certainly has. But the underlying cause is lack of 
 humility. 
 
 These things aren't due to Demi-Gods who need to clear up samsaras. It's 
 just a plain consequence of how human nature works in groups. Recent history, 
 and certainly most the 20th century has been about learning how to recognize 
 and deal with this unpleasant facet of human society. It's interesting to 
 note that countries that have recently escaped from that kind of thing are 
 quicker to recognise it and react against it than countries who never really 
 been through it. I.e. the reaction of the Berlin audience to Schiffgens or 
 the Spanish courts taking on the legal brains behind the Bush policy of 
 arbitrary imprisonment and torture. Or even more mildly, Goran (from 
 ex-Yugoslavia) taking on John Konhaus.
 
 Any group with a devoted following of people who believe their cause is right 
 and who have a strong leader who will allow no disaggreement will end up in 
 trouble. There's no need to use demi-gods to explain things.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread Duveyoung
Marek,

You see the clerks every day. When someone is convicted and sentenced to 
years in prison for, say, marijuana possession, do the clerks, the ballifs,  
the judges, the DAs all seem to be mere functionaries, or are the, like, yeah 
we got another criminal off the streets?  

It seems to me the Nazi clerks had to be committed to antisemitism, but, 
surely, half the processors of America's legal system have dabbled in pot, and 
it must be a challenge to put someone in a cell for a crime they've also 
committed but not yet been caught doing.  Is this taking a psychic toll on 
them? Do they feel like Nazi guards who are saying, I'm only following orders?

Edg





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote:

 Most evil things aren't done by evil people, they're mostly done by clerks 
 and minor functionaries, minuted by committee, stamped and approved by the 
 relevant authorities.  
 
 Well said, Guy, and important to realize.  
 
 **
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawkes91@ wrote:
 
  
   Perhaps many have been reincarnated from the previous period...
   The Samsaras of the Nazi Era, are being worked out in the TMO.
   Maharishi attracted to him, the ones with the most need in this area, to 
   release the strong Samsaras, so that the consciousness of the earth could 
   be 'once and for all', rid of these demi-gods.
   
   It is interesting to note, that on day of the announcement that Maharishi 
   had passed, was on the day that Barack Obama sailed on 'Super Tuesday'...
   The torch had been passed...
   R.G.
  People re-incarnating from previous lives as Nazis? This kind of analysis 
  is a complete waste of time, a very poor substitute for careful thinking. 
  It presupposes that some people are inherently evil, but it fact research 
  has shown that in the right circumstances pretty much everyone can be 
  persuaded to do bad things. 
  
  It's true that some people do find it easier than others to take on the 
  role of camp komandant and get a kick out of ordering people around even 
  to the point of having them done away with. But it's very much the nature 
  of the collective morality of the group that allows that to happen. Most 
  evil things aren't done by evil people, they're mostly done by clerks and 
  minor functionaries, minuted by committee, stamped and approved by the 
  relevant authorities. 
  
  I think a more correct way of seeing things is to notice that as soon as a 
  group of people develop the notion that their cause is so right that 
  everyday ethics and simple compassion can be abandoned then they start down 
  the road to unpleasant extremism. It's something that has been played out 
  so many times in the course of history there's almost a standard script 
  with established roles in the play. 
  
  North Korea, the Bush administration, medieval Catholicism, the Taleban, 
  Zionism, Nazism, Russian Communism, or the milder and more contained 
  present structure of the TMO. They all share the idea that their cause is 
  so right that it's OK to trample on the heads of other people. The thing to 
  watch out for is any sign of harshness in the way a group deals with its 
  members or dissenters. That seems to be pretty much diagnostic of the 
  disease, and it's a symptom the TMO certainly has. But the underlying cause 
  is lack of humility. 
  
  These things aren't due to Demi-Gods who need to clear up samsaras. It's 
  just a plain consequence of how human nature works in groups. Recent 
  history, and certainly most the 20th century has been about learning how to 
  recognize and deal with this unpleasant facet of human society. It's 
  interesting to note that countries that have recently escaped from that 
  kind of thing are quicker to recognise it and react against it than 
  countries who never really been through it. I.e. the reaction of the Berlin 
  audience to Schiffgens or the Spanish courts taking on the legal brains 
  behind the Bush policy of arbitrary imprisonment and torture. Or even more 
  mildly, Goran (from ex-Yugoslavia) taking on John Konhaus.
  
  Any group with a devoted following of people who believe their cause is 
  right and who have a strong leader who will allow no disaggreement will end 
  up in trouble. There's no need to use demi-gods to explain things.
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread boo_lives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawkes91@ wrote:
  
Imagine this lecturer giving us an analysis of the TMO.

   It would be about as far left on his spectrum as you 
   could get. An extreme oligarchy with Bevan as de-facto 
   ruler and Nader as puppet figurehead, and the Rajas 
   obediently following the command of a small clique 
   centered around Bevan, though Hagelin  Nader do try 
   to exert a moderating influence. 
  
  Can't argue with this.
  
   The TMO is facism in a petri dish, it has most of the 
   characteristics of facsism but neutered by the mellowing 
   influence of TM. You can prod it, poke it and analyze it 
   without being dragged out of your bed in the middle of 
   the night to be shot. 
  
  I would characterize it more as a royal
  society with overtones of fascism, very 
  similar to the society portrayed in the
  new American TV series Kings.
  
  The difference there is that the King
  really does have the power to have you
  dragged out of your bed in the middle of
  the night and shot, and does just that.
  And so far, there is no hereditary inher-
  itance of the Kingship.
  
   If the global country was a real country with borders it 
   would be one of those countries that have border guards 
   to keep people in not to keep people out.
  
  You mean like the barbed wire around the
  pundit compound in Fairfield?  :-)
 
 Why do they need barbed wire?
 Perhaps that is because of the fundies in town or some  other deranged 
 person(s), who might be motivated in a passionate way, to do harm to a 
 peaceful visitor from India.
 Safety First!
 It's a shame Fairfield, Iowa, USA...still has this dilemma.
 R.G.

Has nothing whatsoever to do with fundies, the fence is to keep the pundits in. 
 they do not want the pundits talking with anyone about their circumstances and 
situation.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread guyfawkes91

 You see the clerks every day. When someone is convicted and sentenced to 
 years in prison for, say, marijuana possession, do the clerks, the ballifs,  
 the judges, the DAs all seem to be mere functionaries, or are the, like, 
 yeah we got another criminal off the streets?  
 
 It seems to me the Nazi clerks had to be committed to antisemitism, but, 
 surely, half the processors of America's legal system have dabbled in pot, 
 and it must be a challenge to put someone in a cell for a crime they've also 
 committed but not yet been caught doing.  Is this taking a psychic toll on 
 them? Do they feel like Nazi guards who are saying, I'm only following 
 orders?
 
You'd be genuinely surprised. Probably the most horrific thing about the Nazis 
was that most of the terrible things were done by perfectly ordinary people of 
the sort that you'd meet in the local church or market. Nazi clerks were not 
committed to antisemitism, it was a job with regular pay and good promotion 
prospects. The Milgram experiment (look it up) demonstrated that people find it 
very hard to go against authority. Recent research has confirmed this and 
recent experience from all around the world is much the same. Evil isn't done 
by evil people it's done by ordinary people who find themselves in the grip of 
evil philosophies/ideals/isms or whatever. Most of the people you meet going 
about your everyday life would easily slip into the role of concentration camp 
guards if the collective morality became so twisted that it seemed like a good 
job with prospects. The example of what US soldiers got up to in Iraq confirms 
that. 

You only have to look at how people in the TMO behave towards dissenters or 
even long time devotees like Farouk Anklesaria to see how any ism where people 
believe they have the one true way and that noble ends justify questionable 
means will twist people's morality. Even if people are meditating and intent on 
creating peace the idea ours is the one true way, we have a right of dominion 
over other people is so poisonous that it will tend to encourage people to do 
very bad things. E.g. John Konhaus and others like him.

That is why people have to be on their guard against this sort of thing, it can 
sneak up without people being aware of what's happening. Until locking people 
away for life for growing pot or imprisoning people without trial because they 
have a threatening beard and a copy of the koran seems like an obvious thing to 
do. 

It should be part of everyone's education to read up on the history and 
psychology of Nazism and similar isms so they know how to spot the warning 
signs. In this respect the TMO makes a good educational example, how a group of 
mild mannered well meaning people can under the influence of the belief that 
they have the one true way can  collectively consent to be terrorised in the 
name of the greater good. And how people regulary practising a technique that's 
supposed to make you friendly with everyone can end up with some of them hating 
people and seeking out dissenters to be punished. 

The idea we are the chosen ones is always utterly evil. But for some people, 
it offers a secure job with a chance for promotion.









Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is this lecture being taught in today's highschools?

2009-04-14 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Apr 14, 2009, at 10:39 AM, boo_lives wrote:

Has nothing whatsoever to do with fundies, the fence is to keep the  
pundits in.  they do not want the pundits talking with anyone about  
their circumstances and situation.


And possibly TB.

Sal