[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: did you have any experience like Unity or God Consciousness or anything like that in the past that at the time led you to believe that the enlightenment thing was real? I am curious. Yup. First one was on my TTC course, when I popped into what felt pretty much like CC, and stayed there for a few weeks. Then it faded. So it goes. Since then I've had a number of enlightenment or awakening experiences of the (in TM-speak) CC or UC variety. I possibly skipped the GC stuff because I don't really believe in G. :-) I mention this not to toot my own horn or claim any state of consciousness or anything (the only SoC I claim to be in is NC -- Now Consciousness), but because the coming and going of these experiences was instructive in its own right. I didn't get to get *attached* to any of them, and I was never foolish enough to announce them to the world as if they were permanent. I've known a lot of folks who did that -- claimed to be fully enlightened and all -- and then had their experiences fade and go away, leaving them in the position of having to explain to their new followers that they weren't enlightened after all, or to (more common) pretend that the experiences were still going on, to keep the followers and their attention around. In retrospect, I have to say that I do not believe that ANY of these experiences I had were of higher states of consciousness, merely *different* ones. I don't feel that there was either a qualitative or quantitative betterness or higherness to any of the flashy experiences that made them any more significant than my normal, everyday exper- iences. These days I don't even seek such stuff. I just live my life, and the awakenings continue to come and go, seemingly on their own schedule, not mine. I try to enjoy them when they're around, and not to miss them when they're not, same as I do more ordinary experiences. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 2:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Bbut...wha wha wha what if we had us some visions of our past lives? What do we think then? (Happened to me at MIU - he he!) Well, I can speak with some confidence about this, having Been There Done That with past-life recol- lections. I've had dozens of *waking state* (as opposed to dream state during sleep or under the influence of drugs or rounding) flashbacks of myself living in previous eras. In most of them, the trigger or catalyst for the experience was being in the physical location where the supposed past events took place. I'd be walking around a 13th-century walled city in the south of France and the present-day city would just waver and go all hazy and then disappear, and all of the visuals were replaced by the same scene, but 800 years earlier. I'd be *in* my body as of that supposed incarnation, and able to look down and see what I was wearing, what my body type was, etc., and often it would have nothing to do with my present body type or style of dress. Then after a few seconds or minutes the experience would fade, and I'd be back in the present. And? Having had a number of these experiences, I have to describe them as So What? Nice experience, but it no more proves the existence of past lives than simply believing in them does. It could have been Just Another Brain Fart. Similarly, I have had remembered experiences of what it was like to traverse the Bardo between death and rebirth, in full color and 3D. Again, So What? All of this tends to make *me* believe in the possibility of reincarnation, but it doesn't prove shit. These were just my subjective experiences, and as such CANNOT BE TRUSTED. If science has taught us anything, it's that people can convince themselves that they have experienced almost *anything*. This convinced believerism often has nothing whatsoever to do with the actual events that the person can objectively be shown to have experienced. I'm chiming in on this because I think that a *lot* of people here tend to believe that if they experienced something subjectively, then it must be true. I do not believe this, even about my most intense or spiritual experiences. *At the best*, they were only What I Experienced, Subjectively. Nothing more. Truth, they ain't. Reality, they weren't, and will never be. The experiences were -- and will always remain -- subjective, going on only inside my head, or in the synapses of my brain. Bottom line is that my subjective experiences lead me to believe that there may be something to this reincarnation thang. If asked to put it in terms of percentages, or odds, I would bet on this heavily. But I try not to *ever* ASSUME that reincarnation is true
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
There are A LOT of people in Fairfield, IA, myself included, who have a similar if not same attitude toward their experiences. Of course it's a little more difficult to be blase' about GC experiences. Decades ago I heard that GC could also mean Golden Chain. Anyway, even some folks doing their program in the Dome simply view that activity as another part of daily life. No big deal. Just life as we know it. Even if it is so different from the life that perhaps our families live. Anyone so inclined, come and visit Fairfield, preferably during an Art Walk weekend. You'll be pleasantly surprised by the creativity flourishing here among some very down to earth, humorous and compassionate people. Not perfect people by any means. In fact, most of the ones I know aren't into perfection anyway. They're into life's richness and the living of that. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: did you have any experience like Unity or God Consciousness or anything like that in the past that at the time led you to believe that the enlightenment thing was real? I am curious. Yup. First one was on my TTC course, when I popped into what felt pretty much like CC, and stayed there for a few weeks. Then it faded. So it goes. Since then I've had a number of enlightenment or awakening experiences of the (in TM-speak) CC or UC variety. I possibly skipped the GC stuff because I don't really believe in G. :-) I mention this not to toot my own horn or claim any state of consciousness or anything (the only SoC I claim to be in is NC -- Now Consciousness), but because the coming and going of these experiences was instructive in its own right. I didn't get to get *attached* to any of them, and I was never foolish enough to announce them to the world as if they were permanent. I've known a lot of folks who did that -- claimed to be fully enlightened and all -- and then had their experiences fade and go away, leaving them in the position of having to explain to their new followers that they weren't enlightened after all, or to (more common) pretend that the experiences were still going on, to keep the followers and their attention around. In retrospect, I have to say that I do not believe that ANY of these experiences I had were of higher states of consciousness, merely *different* ones. I don't feel that there was either a qualitative or quantitative betterness or higherness to any of the flashy experiences that made them any more significant than my normal, everyday exper- iences. These days I don't even seek such stuff. I just live my life, and the awakenings continue to come and go, seemingly on their own schedule, not mine. I try to enjoy them when they're around, and not to miss them when they're not, same as I do more ordinary experiences. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 2:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Bbut...wha wha wha what if we had us some visions of our past lives? What do we think then? (Happened to me at MIU - he he!) Well, I can speak with some confidence about this, having Been There Done That with past-life recol- lections. I've had dozens of *waking state* (as opposed to dream state during sleep or under the influence of drugs or rounding) flashbacks of myself living in previous eras. In most of them, the trigger or catalyst for the experience was being in the physical location where the supposed past events took place. I'd be walking around a 13th-century walled city in the south of France and the present-day city would just waver and go all hazy and then disappear, and all of the visuals were replaced by the same scene, but 800 years earlier. I'd be *in* my body as of that supposed incarnation, and able to look down and see what I was wearing, what my body type was, etc., and often it would have nothing to do with my present body type or style of dress. Then after a few seconds or minutes the experience would fade, and I'd be back in the present. And? Having had a number of these experiences, I have to describe them as So What? Nice experience, but it no more proves the existence of past lives than simply believing in them does. It could have been Just Another Brain Fart. Similarly, I have had remembered experiences of what it was like to traverse the Bardo between death and rebirth, in full color and 3D. Again, So What? All of this tends to make *me* believe in the possibility of reincarnation, but it doesn't prove shit. These were just my subjective experiences
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: There are A LOT of people in Fairfield, IA, myself included, who have a similar if not same attitude toward their experiences. Of course it's a little more difficult to be blase' about GC experiences. Decades ago I heard that GC could also mean Golden Chain. Anyway, even some folks doing their program in the Dome simply view that activity as another part of daily life. No big deal. Just life as we know it. Even if it is so different from the life that perhaps our families live. Anyone so inclined, come and visit Fairfield, preferably during an Art Walk weekend. You'll be pleasantly surprised by the creativity flourishing here among some very down to earth, humorous and compassionate people. Not perfect people by any means. In fact, most of the ones I know aren't into perfection anyway. They're into life's richness and the living of that.    Yes, I visited that Art walk. Very soft and friendly people in Fairfield generally without the hard aggressive edge found so many other places in that country. What many here seems to not get is that it's possible to be softspoken, kind AND successful. The whole notion so prefferred by posters like the Turq and others here that aggression is a mark of being integrated in the world will have to go and replaced by a new generation of souls. The lack of ability to adjust to the new energies coming into the world is the saddest part of witnessing this great transformation. Sadly it's only natural that many will cling to old forms and patterns.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
Barry this is very well said and something I needed to hear - thank you for this, I appreciate it. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 3:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: did you have any experience like Unity or God Consciousness or anything like that in the past that at the time led you to believe that the enlightenment thing was real? I am curious. Yup. First one was on my TTC course, when I popped into what felt pretty much like CC, and stayed there for a few weeks. Then it faded. So it goes. Since then I've had a number of enlightenment or awakening experiences of the (in TM-speak) CC or UC variety. I possibly skipped the GC stuff because I don't really believe in G. :-) I mention this not to toot my own horn or claim any state of consciousness or anything (the only SoC I claim to be in is NC -- Now Consciousness), but because the coming and going of these experiences was instructive in its own right. I didn't get to get *attached* to any of them, and I was never foolish enough to announce them to the world as if they were permanent. I've known a lot of folks who did that -- claimed to be fully enlightened and all -- and then had their experiences fade and go away, leaving them in the position of having to explain to their new followers that they weren't enlightened after all, or to (more common) pretend that the experiences were still going on, to keep the followers and their attention around. In retrospect, I have to say that I do not believe that ANY of these experiences I had were of higher states of consciousness, merely *different* ones. I don't feel that there was either a qualitative or quantitative betterness or higherness to any of the flashy experiences that made them any more significant than my normal, everyday exper- iences. These days I don't even seek such stuff. I just live my life, and the awakenings continue to come and go, seemingly on their own schedule, not mine. I try to enjoy them when they're around, and not to miss them when they're not, same as I do more ordinary experiences. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 2:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Bbut...wha wha wha what if we had us some visions of our past lives? What do we think then? (Happened to me at MIU - he he!) Well, I can speak with some confidence about this, having Been There Done That with past-life recol- lections. I've had dozens of *waking state* (as opposed to dream state during sleep or under the influence of drugs or rounding) flashbacks of myself living in previous eras. In most of them, the trigger or catalyst for the experience was being in the physical location where the supposed past events took place. I'd be walking around a 13th-century walled city in the south of France and the present-day city would just waver and go all hazy and then disappear, and all of the visuals were replaced by the same scene, but 800 years earlier. I'd be *in* my body as of that supposed incarnation, and able to look down and see what I was wearing, what my body type was, etc., and often it would have nothing to do with my present body type or style of dress. Then after a few seconds or minutes the experience would fade, and I'd be back in the present. And? Having had a number of these experiences, I have to describe them as So What? Nice experience, but it no more proves the existence of past lives than simply believing in them does. It could have been Just Another Brain Fart. Similarly, I have had remembered experiences of what it was like to traverse the Bardo between death and rebirth, in full color and 3D. Again, So What? All of this tends to make *me* believe in the possibility of reincarnation, but it doesn't prove shit. These were just my subjective experiences, and as such CANNOT BE TRUSTED. If science has taught us anything, it's that people can convince themselves that they have experienced almost *anything*. This convinced believerism often has nothing whatsoever to do with the actual events that the person can objectively be shown to have experienced. I'm chiming in on this because I think that a *lot* of people here tend to believe that if they experienced something subjectively, then it must be true. I do not believe this, even about my most intense or spiritual experiences. *At the best*, they were only What I Experienced, Subjectively. Nothing more. Truth, they ain't. Reality, they weren't, and will never be. The experiences were -- and will always remain -- subjective, going on only inside my head
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote: PVR Narasimha Rao says that it looks like Lincoln is re-incarnated right now based on the birth chart of a well-known individual but I would imagine that person does not know it or believe it himself. So then what does it matter? Who says it matters ? It's a simply fact that people die and later gets a new body. Same will happen to you, so make hay when the sun shines :-) My God, some of you live in a dream world. Assertions are made and not a hope in Hell of proving anything. Lincoln one day, some bum the next. All in a day's work. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Scorsese in his commentary on Gangs of New York talked about Lincoln not being a popular as our school history books would have made out. Some of those facts come out in the film. Similarly his HBO series Boardwalk Empire mirrors much of the corruption we see in modern day politics. I'll get around to seeing Lincoln probably the way I watched The Dark Night Rises on Bluray as I did last night. First off I was pissed that the was mostly 16:9 instead of 2:35:1. Gives me pause to ever rent another WB title again. Second, the story seemed to telegraph to the audience that it is bad to go up against the rich and be for the people. That seemed to be some social engineering that wasn't needed. Afterward I found a Netflix indie to wash my palette. The incarnation of Lincoln is today a highly developed individual living in Washington DC were he works for the government. I wouldn't be surprised if Scorsese, a long-time TM meditator, interviewed Lincoln.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote: PVR Narasimha Rao says that it looks like Lincoln is re-incarnated right now based on the birth chart of a well-known individual but I would imagine that person does not know it or believe it himself. So then what does it matter? Who says it matters ? Who says, you ask? Why, the people who take the time and trouble to conjecture on such things obviously think it matters. Seems a complete waste of time to me. No one could ever prove something like this and even if someone was Lincoln in one life it has no bearing on who they are currently, what they remember, what they will do in this new body. How does one possibly come up with these theories anyway? Much better to figure out who we are in this lifetime since there isn't even a way to prove we live multiple, reincarnated lives and all we really have is the 'what's happenin' now'. It never ceases to astound me the things people think up to spend their time pursuing. Lincoln, my ass. It's a simply fact that people die and later gets a new body. Same will happen to you, so make hay when the sun shines :-) My God, some of you live in a dream world. Assertions are made and not a hope in Hell of proving anything. Lincoln one day, some bum the next. All in a day's work. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Scorsese in his commentary on Gangs of New York talked about Lincoln not being a popular as our school history books would have made out. Some of those facts come out in the film. Similarly his HBO series Boardwalk Empire mirrors much of the corruption we see in modern day politics. I'll get around to seeing Lincoln probably the way I watched The Dark Night Rises on Bluray as I did last night. First off I was pissed that the was mostly 16:9 instead of 2:35:1. Gives me pause to ever rent another WB title again. Second, the story seemed to telegraph to the audience that it is bad to go up against the rich and be for the people. That seemed to be some social engineering that wasn't needed. Afterward I found a Netflix indie to wash my palette. The incarnation of Lincoln is today a highly developed individual living in Washington DC were he works for the government. I wouldn't be surprised if Scorsese, a long-time TM meditator, interviewed Lincoln.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
Yep, the possibility of Reincarnation is an interesting question, simply because there is no direct external evidence of it, as you say. However, there is one phenomenon which keeps me from dismissing it altogether; the so called idiot savant, where one is mentally challenged, yet able to act in a very accomplished way in the fields of art, or music, or math, etc. Because the perfection they display in these fields could not have been developed in this lifetime, where did it come from? Reincarnation is certainly a good explanation. PS As for who Lincoln is this time around? Not so interested.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote: PVR Narasimha Rao says that it looks like Lincoln is re-incarnated right now based on the birth chart of a well-known individual but I would imagine that person does not know it or believe it himself. So then what does it matter? Who says it matters ? Who says, you ask? Why, the people who take the time and trouble to conjecture on such things obviously think it matters. Seems a complete waste of time to me. No one could ever prove something like this and even if someone was Lincoln in one life it has no bearing on who they are currently, what they remember, what they will do in this new body. How does one possibly come up with these theories anyway? Much better to figure out who we are in this lifetime since there isn't even a way to prove we live multiple, reincarnated lives and all we really have is the 'what's happenin' now'. It never ceases to astound me the things people think up to spend their time pursuing. Lincoln, my ass. It's a simply fact that people die and later gets a new body. Same will happen to you, so make hay when the sun shines :-) My God, some of you live in a dream world. Assertions are made and not a hope in Hell of proving anything. Lincoln one day, some bum the next. All in a day's work. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Scorsese in his commentary on Gangs of New York talked about Lincoln not being a popular as our school history books would have made out. Some of those facts come out in the film. Similarly his HBO series Boardwalk Empire mirrors much of the corruption we see in modern day politics. I'll get around to seeing Lincoln probably the way I watched The Dark Night Rises on Bluray as I did last night. First off I was pissed that the was mostly 16:9 instead of 2:35:1. Gives me pause to ever rent another WB title again. Second, the story seemed to telegraph to the audience that it is bad to go up against the rich and be for the people. That seemed to be some social engineering that wasn't needed. Afterward I found a Netflix indie to wash my palette. The incarnation of Lincoln is today a highly developed individual living in Washington DC were he works for the government. I wouldn't be surprised if Scorsese, a long-time TM meditator, interviewed Lincoln.
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Bbut...wha wha wha what if we had us some visions of our past lives? What do we think then? (Happened to me at MIU - he he!) From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote: PVR Narasimha Rao says that it looks like Lincoln is re-incarnated right now based on the birth chart of a well-known individual but I would imagine that person does not know it or believe it himself. So then what does it matter? Who says it matters ? Who says, you ask? Why, the people who take the time and trouble to conjecture on such things obviously think it matters. Seems a complete waste of time to me. No one could ever prove something like this and even if someone was Lincoln in one life it has no bearing on who they are currently, what they remember, what they will do in this new body. How does one possibly come up with these theories anyway? Much better to figure out who we are in this lifetime since there isn't even a way to prove we live multiple, reincarnated lives and all we really have is the 'what's happenin' now'. It never ceases to astound me the things people think up to spend their time pursuing. Lincoln, my ass. It's a simply fact that people die and later gets a new body. Same will happen to you, so make hay when the sun shines :-) My God, some of you live in a dream world. Assertions are made and not a hope in Hell of proving anything. Lincoln one day, some bum the next. All in a day's work. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Scorsese in his commentary on Gangs of New York talked about Lincoln not being a popular as our school history books would have made out. Some of those facts come out in the film. Similarly his HBO series Boardwalk Empire mirrors much of the corruption we see in modern day politics. I'll get around to seeing Lincoln probably the way I watched The Dark Night Rises on Bluray as I did last night. First off I was pissed that the was mostly 16:9 instead of 2:35:1. Gives me pause to ever rent another WB title again. Second, the story seemed to telegraph to the audience that it is bad to go up against the rich and be for the people. That seemed to be some social engineering that wasn't needed. Afterward I found a Netflix indie to wash my palette. The incarnation of Lincoln is today a highly developed individual living in Washington DC were he works for the government. I wouldn't be surprised if Scorsese, a long-time TM meditator, interviewed Lincoln.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Bbut...wha wha wha what if we had us some visions of our past lives? What do we think then? (Happened to me at MIU - he he!) Gosh, when I think about how you were so ripped off... From: Ann awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote: PVR Narasimha Rao says that it looks like Lincoln is re-incarnated right now based on the birth chart of a well-known individual but I would imagine that person does not know it or believe it himself. So then what does it matter? Who says it matters ? Who says, you ask? Why, the people who take the time and trouble to conjecture on such things obviously think it matters. Seems a complete waste of time to me. No one could ever prove something like this and even if someone was Lincoln in one life it has no bearing on who they are currently, what they remember, what they will do in this new body. How does one possibly come up with these theories anyway? Much better to figure out who we are in this lifetime since there isn't even a way to prove we live multiple, reincarnated lives and all we really have is the 'what's happenin' now'. It never ceases to astound me the things people think up to spend their time pursuing. Lincoln, my ass. It's a simply fact that people die and later gets a new body. Same will happen to you, so make hay when the sun shines :-) My God, some of you live in a dream world. Assertions are made and not a hope in Hell of proving anything. Lincoln one day, some bum the next. All in a day's work. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Scorsese in his commentary on Gangs of New York talked about Lincoln not being a popular as our school history books would have made out. Some of those facts come out in the film. Similarly his HBO series Boardwalk Empire mirrors much of the corruption we see in modern day politics. I'll get around to seeing Lincoln probably the way I watched The Dark Night Rises on Bluray as I did last night. First off I was pissed that the was mostly 16:9 instead of 2:35:1. Gives me pause to ever rent another WB title again. Second, the story seemed to telegraph to the audience that it is bad to go up against the rich and be for the people. That seemed to be some social engineering that wasn't needed. Afterward I found a Netflix indie to wash my palette. The incarnation of Lincoln is today a highly developed individual living in Washington DC were he works for the government. I wouldn't be surprised if Scorsese, a long-time TM meditator, interviewed Lincoln.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
17-yr olds should know the law. We should educate our children. I found out about a situation between a 19 yr. old and one of my daughters a while back and had to have 3 conversations with the boy about what the consequences would be and how I would forward them if he didn't back off. He did. It's the women that have to take the rap and that may pay the ultimate price and then who, pray tell, is going to take care of the girls. Teens should be educated, not shamed, but educated as to how to manage their hormones and about birth control...in schools if necessary, if not at home. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.ride@... wrote: On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: Doug... are you trying to tell us that you're a child molster that just needs to be accepted? --- On Sat, 8/22/09, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.ride@... wrote: I'd not be surprised if Doug is a child molester. But he'll never be accepted. But I'm not Doug. I am Bill Hicks (deceased). I am saying that we repeat the same comedies and tragedies over and over again throughout American History. The cursed. The hunted. The vile drink/weed/drug/dance. The panics, the booms, the depressions. Today it's the oil, pharma and insurance companies. Before that it was steel, the railroads, the cotton mills, the confiscatory tariff on Southern goods to pay for railroads and canals that didn't go through the South. The many companies which robbed the Union/North blind providing weapons, goods and services during the War of Northern Aggression. I'm on a rag about sex offenders because I know a few. They are haunted, hounded. A 17 y/o boy got it on with a 13 y/o girl and the boy is ruined for life. In many states registered sex offenders have to go to dumpy trailer parks to live because that's the only place they can live. We keep on passing new after the fact laws which effectively impose new penalties on people who have already been tried, convicted and paid their debt to society. And the sex offenders registery only lists the sex offenders THAT WE KNOW ABOUT. It's against the Bill of Rights, but then all excesses in American History (and we've had nothing but excesses in our history) are against the Bill of Rights or at least common decency.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Bbut...wha wha wha what if we had us some visions of our past lives? What do we think then? (Happened to me at MIU - he he!) That may be fine but just don't believe anyone else if they tell you they know what your past lives were. Or if they know that John Doe was Mussolini in their last life. Again, even if you have your own personal glimpses of what your former incarnations were, they are still unprovable but if that is what rocks your boat, imagine on! From: Ann awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote: PVR Narasimha Rao says that it looks like Lincoln is re-incarnated right now based on the birth chart of a well-known individual but I would imagine that person does not know it or believe it himself. So then what does it matter? Who says it matters ? Who says, you ask? Why, the people who take the time and trouble to conjecture on such things obviously think it matters. Seems a complete waste of time to me. No one could ever prove something like this and even if someone was Lincoln in one life it has no bearing on who they are currently, what they remember, what they will do in this new body. How does one possibly come up with these theories anyway? Much better to figure out who we are in this lifetime since there isn't even a way to prove we live multiple, reincarnated lives and all we really have is the 'what's happenin' now'. It never ceases to astound me the things people think up to spend their time pursuing. Lincoln, my ass. It's a simply fact that people die and later gets a new body. Same will happen to you, so make hay when the sun shines :-) My God, some of you live in a dream world. Assertions are made and not a hope in Hell of proving anything. Lincoln one day, some bum the next. All in a day's work. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Scorsese in his commentary on Gangs of New York talked about Lincoln not being a popular as our school history books would have made out. Some of those facts come out in the film. Similarly his HBO series Boardwalk Empire mirrors much of the corruption we see in modern day politics. I'll get around to seeing Lincoln probably the way I watched The Dark Night Rises on Bluray as I did last night. First off I was pissed that the was mostly 16:9 instead of 2:35:1. Gives me pause to ever rent another WB title again. Second, the story seemed to telegraph to the audience that it is bad to go up against the rich and be for the people. That seemed to be some social engineering that wasn't needed. Afterward I found a Netflix indie to wash my palette. The incarnation of Lincoln is today a highly developed individual living in Washington DC were he works for the government. I wouldn't be surprised if Scorsese, a long-time TM meditator, interviewed Lincoln.
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I didn't know what to do with it at the time - it came in a flash one night in my pod room - the room disappeared and I saw like looking at a movie what the past life and death had been then my eyesight cleared and the pod room was back. A few years later I went with a girl friend to a past life regression workshop just cuz she was going and saw some interesting stuff - didn't mean a whole lot but it did explain why I had a life long fear of sharks! From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 1:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Bbut...wha wha wha what if we had us some visions of our past lives? What do we think then? (Happened to me at MIU - he he!) That may be fine but just don't believe anyone else if they tell you they know what your past lives were. Or if they know that John Doe was Mussolini in their last life. Again, even if you have your own personal glimpses of what your former incarnations were, they are still unprovable but if that is what rocks your boat, imagine on! From: Ann awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote: PVR Narasimha Rao says that it looks like Lincoln is re-incarnated right now based on the birth chart of a well-known individual but I would imagine that person does not know it or believe it himself. So then what does it matter? Who says it matters ? Who says, you ask? Why, the people who take the time and trouble to conjecture on such things obviously think it matters. Seems a complete waste of time to me. No one could ever prove something like this and even if someone was Lincoln in one life it has no bearing on who they are currently, what they remember, what they will do in this new body. How does one possibly come up with these theories anyway? Much better to figure out who we are in this lifetime since there isn't even a way to prove we live multiple, reincarnated lives and all we really have is the 'what's happenin' now'. It never ceases to astound me the things people think up to spend their time pursuing. Lincoln, my ass. It's a simply fact that people die and later gets a new body. Same will happen to you, so make hay when the sun shines :-) My God, some of you live in a dream world. Assertions are made and not a hope in Hell of proving anything. Lincoln one day, some bum the next. All in a day's work. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Scorsese in his commentary on Gangs of New York talked about Lincoln not being a popular as our school history books would have made out. Some of those facts come out in the film. Similarly his HBO series Boardwalk Empire mirrors much of the corruption we see in modern day politics. I'll get around to seeing Lincoln probably the way I watched The Dark Night Rises on Bluray as I did last night. First off I was pissed that the was mostly 16:9 instead of 2:35:1. Gives me pause to ever rent another WB title again. Second, the story seemed to telegraph to the audience that it is bad to go up against the rich and be for the people. That seemed to be some social engineering that wasn't needed. Afterward I found a Netflix indie to wash my palette. The incarnation of Lincoln is today a highly developed individual living in Washington DC were he works for the government. I wouldn't be surprised if Scorsese, a long-time TM meditator, interviewed Lincoln.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Bbut...wha wha wha what if we had us some visions of our past lives? What do we think then? (Happened to me at MIU - he he!) Well, I can speak with some confidence about this, having Been There Done That with past-life recol- lections. I've had dozens of *waking state* (as opposed to dream state during sleep or under the influence of drugs or rounding) flashbacks of myself living in previous eras. In most of them, the trigger or catalyst for the experience was being in the physical location where the supposed past events took place. I'd be walking around a 13th-century walled city in the south of France and the present-day city would just waver and go all hazy and then disappear, and all of the visuals were replaced by the same scene, but 800 years earlier. I'd be *in* my body as of that supposed incarnation, and able to look down and see what I was wearing, what my body type was, etc., and often it would have nothing to do with my present body type or style of dress. Then after a few seconds or minutes the experience would fade, and I'd be back in the present. And? Having had a number of these experiences, I have to describe them as So What? Nice experience, but it no more proves the existence of past lives than simply believing in them does. It could have been Just Another Brain Fart. Similarly, I have had remembered experiences of what it was like to traverse the Bardo between death and rebirth, in full color and 3D. Again, So What? All of this tends to make *me* believe in the possibility of reincarnation, but it doesn't prove shit. These were just my subjective experiences, and as such CANNOT BE TRUSTED. If science has taught us anything, it's that people can convince themselves that they have experienced almost *anything*. This convinced believerism often has nothing whatsoever to do with the actual events that the person can objectively be shown to have experienced. I'm chiming in on this because I think that a *lot* of people here tend to believe that if they experienced something subjectively, then it must be true. I do not believe this, even about my most intense or spiritual experiences. *At the best*, they were only What I Experienced, Subjectively. Nothing more. Truth, they ain't. Reality, they weren't, and will never be. The experiences were -- and will always remain -- subjective, going on only inside my head, or in the synapses of my brain. Bottom line is that my subjective experiences lead me to believe that there may be something to this reincarnation thang. If asked to put it in terms of percentages, or odds, I would bet on this heavily. But I try not to *ever* ASSUME that reincarnation is true, because it might not be. The only time I will be able to attest to its existence or non-existence will be too late -- I'll be dead. At that point, even if my spirit is flying free in some astral Bardo Bordello cavorting with the wraiths of my yet- unresolved lust fantasies, I will be unable to communicate that to anyone who is still living. If, on the other hand, if it turns out to be just as the hard-core atheists believe, and my consciousness and existence just switches OFF when I die, like with the throwing of a light switch, there will be no me present to even be disappointed. So whatever I believe about future lives is basically IRRELEVANT. It has no bearing on this life whatsoever, *unless I choose to give it relevance*. I don't. YMMV. From: Ann awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote: PVR Narasimha Rao says that it looks like Lincoln is re-incarnated right now based on the birth chart of a well-known individual but I would imagine that person does not know it or believe it himself. So then what does it matter? Who says it matters ? Who says, you ask? Why, the people who take the time and trouble to conjecture on such things obviously think it matters. Seems a complete waste of time to me. No one could ever prove something like this and even if someone was Lincoln in one life it has no bearing on who they are currently, what they remember, what they will do in this new body. How does one possibly come up with these theories anyway? Much better to figure out who we are in this lifetime since there isn't even a way to prove we live multiple, reincarnated lives and all we really have is the 'what's happenin' now'. It never ceases to astound me the things people think up to spend their time pursuing. Lincoln, my ass. It's a simply fact that people die and later gets a new body. Same
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
How do you know it was a vision of your past life? It might even have been some genetic memory. On 12/30/2012 10:06 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: Bbut...wha wha wha what if we had us some visions of our past lives? What do we think then? (Happened to me at MIU - he he!) From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote: PVR Narasimha Rao says that it looks like Lincoln is re-incarnated right now based on the birth chart of a well-known individual but I would imagine that person does not know it or believe it himself. So then what does it matter? Who says it matters ? Who says, you ask? Why, the people who take the time and trouble to conjecture on such things obviously think it matters. Seems a complete waste of time to me. No one could ever prove something like this and even if someone was Lincoln in one life it has no bearing on who they are currently, what they remember, what they will do in this new body. How does one possibly come up with these theories anyway? Much better to figure out who we are in this lifetime since there isn't even a way to prove we live multiple, reincarnated lives and all we really have is the 'what's happenin' now'. It never ceases to astound me the things people think up to spend their time pursuing. Lincoln, my ass. It's a simply fact that people die and later gets a new body. Same will happen to you, so make hay when the sun shines :-) My God, some of you live in a dream world. Assertions are made and not a hope in Hell of proving anything. Lincoln one day, some bum the next. All in a day's work. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Scorsese in his commentary on Gangs of New York talked about Lincoln not being a popular as our school history books would have made out. Some of those facts come out in the film. Similarly his HBO series Boardwalk Empire mirrors much of the corruption we see in modern day politics. I'll get around to seeing Lincoln probably the way I watched The Dark Night Rises on Bluray as I did last night. First off I was pissed that the was mostly 16:9 instead of 2:35:1. Gives me pause to ever rent another WB title again. Second, the story seemed to telegraph to the audience that it is bad to go up against the rich and be for the people. That seemed to be some social engineering that wasn't needed. Afterward I found a Netflix indie to wash my palette. The incarnation of Lincoln is today a highly developed individual living in Washington DC were he works for the government. I wouldn't be surprised if Scorsese, a long-time TM meditator, interviewed Lincoln.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
Agreed - I don't know one way or the other - or it could have been as Barry suggested a brain fart. I do not know - at the time it was just...well to quote Harrison Ford, in one of the making of DVD's that was released on the original Raider's of the Lost Ark, Ford was suiting up to do some stunt and the interviewer asked him how he felt about doing the stunt work himself and he sighed and said Just another useless experience. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: How do you know it was a vision of your past life? It might even have been some genetic memory. On 12/30/2012 10:06 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: Bbut...wha wha wha what if we had us some visions of our past lives? What do we think then? (Happened to me at MIU - he he!) From: Ann awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote: PVR Narasimha Rao says that it looks like Lincoln is re-incarnated right now based on the birth chart of a well-known individual but I would imagine that person does not know it or believe it himself. So then what does it matter? Who says it matters ? Who says, you ask? Why, the people who take the time and trouble to conjecture on such things obviously think it matters. Seems a complete waste of time to me. No one could ever prove something like this and even if someone was Lincoln in one life it has no bearing on who they are currently, what they remember, what they will do in this new body. How does one possibly come up with these theories anyway? Much better to figure out who we are in this lifetime since there isn't even a way to prove we live multiple, reincarnated lives and all we really have is the 'what's happenin' now'. It never ceases to astound me the things people think up to spend their time pursuing. Lincoln, my ass. It's a simply fact that people die and later gets a new body. Same will happen to you, so make hay when the sun shines :-) My God, some of you live in a dream world. Assertions are made and not a hope in Hell of proving anything. Lincoln one day, some bum the next. All in a day's work. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Scorsese in his commentary on Gangs of New York talked about Lincoln not being a popular as our school history books would have made out. Some of those facts come out in the film. Similarly his HBO series Boardwalk Empire mirrors much of the corruption we see in modern day politics. I'll get around to seeing Lincoln probably the way I watched The Dark Night Rises on Bluray as I did last night. First off I was pissed that the was mostly 16:9 instead of 2:35:1. Gives me pause to ever rent another WB title again. Second, the story seemed to telegraph to the audience that it is bad to go up against the rich and be for the people. That seemed to be some social engineering that wasn't needed. Afterward I found a Netflix indie to wash my palette. The incarnation of Lincoln is today a highly developed individual living in Washington DC were he works for the government. I wouldn't be surprised if Scorsese, a long-time TM meditator, interviewed Lincoln.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: How do you know it was a vision of your past life? It might even have been some genetic memory. Or even just picking up on the energy of someone else who was there in that spot hundreds of years earlier, if such energy can stick around. On 12/30/2012 10:06 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: Bbut...wha wha wha what if we had us some visions of our past lives? What do we think then? (Happened to me at MIU - he he!) From: Ann awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote: PVR Narasimha Rao says that it looks like Lincoln is re-incarnated right now based on the birth chart of a well-known individual but I would imagine that person does not know it or believe it himself. So then what does it matter? Who says it matters ? Who says, you ask? Why, the people who take the time and trouble to conjecture on such things obviously think it matters. Seems a complete waste of time to me. No one could ever prove something like this and even if someone was Lincoln in one life it has no bearing on who they are currently, what they remember, what they will do in this new body. How does one possibly come up with these theories anyway? Much better to figure out who we are in this lifetime since there isn't even a way to prove we live multiple, reincarnated lives and all we really have is the 'what's happenin' now'. It never ceases to astound me the things people think up to spend their time pursuing. Lincoln, my ass. It's a simply fact that people die and later gets a new body. Same will happen to you, so make hay when the sun shines :-) My God, some of you live in a dream world. Assertions are made and not a hope in Hell of proving anything. Lincoln one day, some bum the next. All in a day's work. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Scorsese in his commentary on Gangs of New York talked about Lincoln not being a popular as our school history books would have made out. Some of those facts come out in the film. Similarly his HBO series Boardwalk Empire mirrors much of the corruption we see in modern day politics. I'll get around to seeing Lincoln probably the way I watched The Dark Night Rises on Bluray as I did last night. First off I was pissed that the was mostly 16:9 instead of 2:35:1. Gives me pause to ever rent another WB title again. Second, the story seemed to telegraph to the audience that it is bad to go up against the rich and be for the people. That seemed to be some social engineering that wasn't needed. Afterward I found a Netflix indie to wash my palette. The incarnation of Lincoln is today a highly developed individual living in Washington DC were he works for the government. I wouldn't be surprised if Scorsese, a long-time TM meditator, interviewed Lincoln.
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did you have any experience like Unity or God Consciousness or anything like that in the past that at the time led you to believe that the enlightenment thing was real? I am curious. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 2:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Bbut...wha wha wha what if we had us some visions of our past lives? What do we think then? (Happened to me at MIU - he he!) Well, I can speak with some confidence about this, having Been There Done That with past-life recol- lections. I've had dozens of *waking state* (as opposed to dream state during sleep or under the influence of drugs or rounding) flashbacks of myself living in previous eras. In most of them, the trigger or catalyst for the experience was being in the physical location where the supposed past events took place. I'd be walking around a 13th-century walled city in the south of France and the present-day city would just waver and go all hazy and then disappear, and all of the visuals were replaced by the same scene, but 800 years earlier. I'd be *in* my body as of that supposed incarnation, and able to look down and see what I was wearing, what my body type was, etc., and often it would have nothing to do with my present body type or style of dress. Then after a few seconds or minutes the experience would fade, and I'd be back in the present. And? Having had a number of these experiences, I have to describe them as So What? Nice experience, but it no more proves the existence of past lives than simply believing in them does. It could have been Just Another Brain Fart. Similarly, I have had remembered experiences of what it was like to traverse the Bardo between death and rebirth, in full color and 3D. Again, So What? All of this tends to make *me* believe in the possibility of reincarnation, but it doesn't prove shit. These were just my subjective experiences, and as such CANNOT BE TRUSTED. If science has taught us anything, it's that people can convince themselves that they have experienced almost *anything*. This convinced believerism often has nothing whatsoever to do with the actual events that the person can objectively be shown to have experienced. I'm chiming in on this because I think that a *lot* of people here tend to believe that if they experienced something subjectively, then it must be true. I do not believe this, even about my most intense or spiritual experiences. *At the best*, they were only What I Experienced, Subjectively. Nothing more. Truth, they ain't. Reality, they weren't, and will never be. The experiences were -- and will always remain -- subjective, going on only inside my head, or in the synapses of my brain. Bottom line is that my subjective experiences lead me to believe that there may be something to this reincarnation thang. If asked to put it in terms of percentages, or odds, I would bet on this heavily. But I try not to *ever* ASSUME that reincarnation is true, because it might not be. The only time I will be able to attest to its existence or non-existence will be too late -- I'll be dead. At that point, even if my spirit is flying free in some astral Bardo Bordello cavorting with the wraiths of my yet- unresolved lust fantasies, I will be unable to communicate that to anyone who is still living. If, on the other hand, if it turns out to be just as the hard-core atheists believe, and my consciousness and existence just switches OFF when I die, like with the throwing of a light switch, there will be no me present to even be disappointed. So whatever I believe about future lives is basically IRRELEVANT. It has no bearing on this life whatsoever, *unless I choose to give it relevance*. I don't. YMMV. From: Ann awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote: PVR Narasimha Rao says that it looks like Lincoln is re-incarnated right now based on the birth chart of a well-known individual but I would imagine that person does not know it or believe it himself. So then what does it matter? Who says it matters ? Who says, you ask? Why, the people who take the time and trouble to conjecture on such things obviously think it matters. Seems a complete waste of time to me. No one could ever prove something like this and even if someone was Lincoln in one life it has no bearing on who they are currently, what they remember, what they will do in this new body. How does one possibly come up
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln...MJ, watch your post count
MJ, watch your post count...I believe this one makes 44. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: did you have any experience like Unity or God Consciousness or anything like that in the past that at the time led you to believe that the enlightenment thing was real? I am curious. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 2:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Bbut...wha wha wha what if we had us some visions of our past lives? What do we think then? (Happened to me at MIU - he he!) Well, I can speak with some confidence about this, having Been There Done That with past-life recol- lections. I've had dozens of *waking state* (as opposed to dream state during sleep or under the influence of drugs or rounding) flashbacks of myself living in previous eras. In most of them, the trigger or catalyst for the experience was being in the physical location where the supposed past events took place. I'd be walking around a 13th-century walled city in the south of France and the present-day city would just waver and go all hazy and then disappear, and all of the visuals were replaced by the same scene, but 800 years earlier. I'd be *in* my body as of that supposed incarnation, and able to look down and see what I was wearing, what my body type was, etc., and often it would have nothing to do with my present body type or style of dress. Then after a few seconds or minutes the experience would fade, and I'd be back in the present. And? Having had a number of these experiences, I have to describe them as So What? Nice experience, but it no more proves the existence of past lives than simply believing in them does. It could have been Just Another Brain Fart. Similarly, I have had remembered experiences of what it was like to traverse the Bardo between death and rebirth, in full color and 3D. Again, So What? All of this tends to make *me* believe in the possibility of reincarnation, but it doesn't prove shit. These were just my subjective experiences, and as such CANNOT BE TRUSTED. If science has taught us anything, it's that people can convince themselves that they have experienced almost *anything*. This convinced believerism often has nothing whatsoever to do with the actual events that the person can objectively be shown to have experienced. I'm chiming in on this because I think that a *lot* of people here tend to believe that if they experienced something subjectively, then it must be true. I do not believe this, even about my most intense or spiritual experiences. *At the best*, they were only What I Experienced, Subjectively. Nothing more. Truth, they ain't. Reality, they weren't, and will never be. The experiences were -- and will always remain -- subjective, going on only inside my head, or in the synapses of my brain. Bottom line is that my subjective experiences lead me to believe that there may be something to this reincarnation thang. If asked to put it in terms of percentages, or odds, I would bet on this heavily. But I try not to *ever* ASSUME that reincarnation is true, because it might not be. The only time I will be able to attest to its existence or non-existence will be too late -- I'll be dead. At that point, even if my spirit is flying free in some astral Bardo Bordello cavorting with the wraiths of my yet- unresolved lust fantasies, I will be unable to communicate that to anyone who is still living. If, on the other hand, if it turns out to be just as the hard-core atheists believe, and my consciousness and existence just switches OFF when I die, like with the throwing of a light switch, there will be no me present to even be disappointed. So whatever I believe about future lives is basically IRRELEVANT. It has no bearing on this life whatsoever, *unless I choose to give it relevance*. I don't. YMMV. From: Ann awoelflebater@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote: PVR Narasimha Rao says that it looks like Lincoln is re-incarnated right now based on the birth chart of a well-known individual but I would imagine that person does not know it or believe it himself. So then what does it matter? Who says it matters ? Who says, you ask? Why, the people who take the time and trouble to conjecture on such things obviously think it matters. Seems a complete waste
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln...MJ, watch your post count
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote: MJ, watch your post count...I believe this one makes 44. Also, Yahoo is being really wonky, with some posts taking 10 hours or more to show up in email. The post count is based on an email feed, so it does not necessarily represent a person's actual post count at the time the count gets posted. When this happens, I manually run the post count script in the morning to help people keep better track of their posts.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Some of those facts come out in the film. Similarly his HBO series Boardwalk Empire mirrors much of the corruption we see in modern day politics. I'll get around to seeing Lincoln probably the way I watched The Dark Night Rises on Bluray as I did last night. First off I was pissed that the was mostly 16:9 instead of 2:35:1. Gives me pause to ever rent another WB title again. Second, the story seemed to telegraph to the audience that it is bad to go up against the rich and be for the people. That seemed to be some social engineering that wasn't needed. Afterward I found a Netflix indie to wash my palette. The reincarnation of Lincoln lives in Washington DC and works for the government. I wouldn't be too surprised if Scorsese, being a longtime meditator, interviewed him privately.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Scorsese in his commentary on Gangs of New York talked about Lincoln not being a popular as our school history books would have made out. Some of those facts come out in the film. Similarly his HBO series Boardwalk Empire mirrors much of the corruption we see in modern day politics. I'll get around to seeing Lincoln probably the way I watched The Dark Night Rises on Bluray as I did last night. First off I was pissed that the was mostly 16:9 instead of 2:35:1. Gives me pause to ever rent another WB title again. Second, the story seemed to telegraph to the audience that it is bad to go up against the rich and be for the people. That seemed to be some social engineering that wasn't needed. Afterward I found a Netflix indie to wash my palette. The incarnation of Lincoln is today a highly developed individual living in Washington DC were he works for the government. I wouldn't be surprised if Scorsese, a long-time TM meditator, interviewed Lincoln.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: I'll get around to seeing Lincoln probably the way I watched The Dark Night Rises on Bluray as I did last night. First off I was pissed that the was mostly 16:9 instead of 2:35:1. Gives me pause to ever rent another WB title again. Second, the story seemed to telegraph to the audience that it is bad to go up against the rich and be for the people. That seemed to be some social engineering that wasn't needed. Afterward I found a Netflix indie to wash my palette. The Dark Knight Rises was shot in multiple formats. Here is a discussion: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1425159/the-dark-knight-rises-blu-ray-aspect-ratio Follow the discussion, the first post starts it off.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
On 12/29/2012 11:53 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: I'll get around to seeing Lincoln probably the way I watched The Dark Night Rises on Bluray as I did last night. First off I was pissed that the was mostly 16:9 instead of 2:35:1. Gives me pause to ever rent another WB title again. Second, the story seemed to telegraph to the audience that it is bad to go up against the rich and be for the people. That seemed to be some social engineering that wasn't needed. Afterward I found a Netflix indie to wash my palette. The Dark Knight Rises was shot in multiple formats. Here is a discussion: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1425159/the-dark-knight-rises-blu-ray-aspect-ratio Follow the discussion, the first post starts it off. As they mentioned switching formats in a film has been done before. Question is how was it shown in theaters? If this is what Nolan wanted he forgot that home watchers would think that their disc version was less than what they would have seen in theaters. IMAX is really nothing more than a marketing thing. I've never found it that much more spectacular (I'm sure there will be a lot of disagreement). I would have left the disc entirely in 2:35:1 or scope which as the discussion points out the scope aspect ratio can vary a bit but differences negligible. There was at least one LCD panel by Phillips that was 21:9 (has a mathematical relationship to 1:77:1 or 16:9) and my editing software has a setting for it too. Unless shot with an anamorphic lens scope is usually a matted full frame. Don't have time right now to get into the whole discussion on AVS Forum and finding the American Cinematographer article might be a quicker read. I used to read that magazine when I was a kid.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
PVR Narasimha Rao says that it looks like Lincoln is re-incarnated right now based on the birth chart of a well-known individual but I would imagine that person does not know it or believe it himself. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Scorsese in his commentary on Gangs of New York talked about Lincoln not being a popular as our school history books would have made out. Some of those facts come out in the film. Similarly his HBO series Boardwalk Empire mirrors much of the corruption we see in modern day politics. I'll get around to seeing Lincoln probably the way I watched The Dark Night Rises on Bluray as I did last night. First off I was pissed that the was mostly 16:9 instead of 2:35:1. Gives me pause to ever rent another WB title again. Second, the story seemed to telegraph to the audience that it is bad to go up against the rich and be for the people. That seemed to be some social engineering that wasn't needed. Afterward I found a Netflix indie to wash my palette. The incarnation of Lincoln is today a highly developed individual living in Washington DC were he works for the government. I wouldn't be surprised if Scorsese, a long-time TM meditator, interviewed Lincoln.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... no_reply@... wrote: PVR Narasimha Rao says that it looks like Lincoln is re-incarnated right now based on the birth chart of a well-known individual but I would imagine that person does not know it or believe it himself. So then what does it matter? My God, some of you live in a dream world. Assertions are made and not a hope in Hell of proving anything. Lincoln one day, some bum the next. All in a day's work. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Scorsese in his commentary on Gangs of New York talked about Lincoln not being a popular as our school history books would have made out. Some of those facts come out in the film. Similarly his HBO series Boardwalk Empire mirrors much of the corruption we see in modern day politics. I'll get around to seeing Lincoln probably the way I watched The Dark Night Rises on Bluray as I did last night. First off I was pissed that the was mostly 16:9 instead of 2:35:1. Gives me pause to ever rent another WB title again. Second, the story seemed to telegraph to the audience that it is bad to go up against the rich and be for the people. That seemed to be some social engineering that wasn't needed. Afterward I found a Netflix indie to wash my palette. The incarnation of Lincoln is today a highly developed individual living in Washington DC were he works for the government. I wouldn't be surprised if Scorsese, a long-time TM meditator, interviewed Lincoln.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: there is, even now, something of ill-omen, amongst us. I mean the increasing disregard for law which pervades the country; the growing disposition to substitute the wild and furious passions, in lieu of the sober judgment of Courts; and the worse than savage mobs, for the executive ministers of justice. This disposition is awfully fearful in any community; and that it now exists in ours, though grating to our feelings to admit, it would be a violation of truth, and an insult to our intelligence, to deny. - Abe Lincoln Sounds like he's describing *acorn*: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6968
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: there is, even now, something of ill-omen, amongst us. I mean the increasing disregard for law which pervades the country; the growing disposition to substitute the wild and furious passions, in lieu of the sober judgment of Courts; and the worse than savage mobs, for the executive ministers of justice. This disposition is awfully fearful in any community; and that it now exists in ours, though grating to our feelings to admit, it would be a violation of truth, and an insult to our intelligence, to deny. - Abe Lincoln Sounds like he's describing *acorn*: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6968 Actually, a lot of it sounds like he's describing the people who wrote the right-wing myth-filled anti-ACORN screed you cite. Have a look at this. It's from ACORN's own perspective, so the truth is most likely somewhere in between. But at least you'll know what the issues are: http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=17855
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lincoln -- Among Our Greatest Presidents?
Some further insights: Total causalties (soldiers and civilaians killed and wounded was about 1.8 million. Total slaves in the South -- 3.75 million (about 2% of southerners owned 75% of this figure. 25% owned slaves, 7% of that owned 75% of slaves). 500,000 slaves were held in non-southern states -- and who were NOT freed by the Emancipation Proclamation. Ironically, in New Orleans over 3,000 free Negroes owned slaves, or 28 percent of the free Negroes in that city. In Charleston, South Carolina in 1860 125 free Negroes owned slaves; six of them owning 10 or more. http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:xlYk5IdR45QJ:www.americancivilwar.com/authors/black_slaveowners.htm+number+of+slaves+civil+warhl=engl=usct=clnkcd=4client=firefox-a Thus, even if one mistakenly believes that the Civil War began to free slaves, it is sadly ironic that total civilan and soldiers deaths and casualties was about 50% of the entire southern slave population --- 75% held by 2% of southerners. These casualties at best were spent to accelerate emancipation by a decade or so -- over the natural course of economics and social reform. A slaveholder buyout option, as was done in Britian, would have been far cheaper and less bloody. And in reality, the Civil War, with its huge cost of the 2:1 slave to civil war casualties ratio --- actually worsened the conditions of blacks in america --- relative to emancipation in other countries --- via reconstruction corruption and racism. Only the United States and Haiti freed their slaves by war. Every other country in the New World that had slaves, such as Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Cuba, Ecuador, Mexico, Peru, Uruguay, and Venezuela, freed them in the 19th century peacefully. ... Britain heralded the end of slavery, in the Western world at least, with its Bill of Abolition, passed in 1807. This Bill made the African slave trade (but not slaveholding) illegal. Later that year the United States adopted a similar bill, called the Act to Prohibit the Importation of Slaves, which prohibited bringing slaves into any port in the country, including into the southern slaveholding states. Congress strengthened this prohibition in 1819 when it decreed the slave trade to be a form of piracy, punishable by death. In 1833, Britain enacted an Emancipation Law, ending slavery throughout the British Empire, and Parliament allocated twenty million pounds to buy slaves' freedom from their owners. The German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer rightly described this action as one of the greatest acts of collective compassion in the history of humankind. This happened peacefully and without any serious slave uprisings or attacks on their former owners, even in Jamaica where a population of 30,000 whites owned 250,000 slaves. http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/miller1.html Some Books on this Issue - Charles Adams, When in the Course of Human Events: Arguing the Case for Southern Secession (New York: Rowman Littlefield, 2000) In this book Charles Adams does to our understanding of the Civil War what Copernicus did to our ancestors' understanding of the solar system. The sun does not rotate around the Earth and slavery did not cause the Civil War. Adams presents a compelling case for the true, financial cause of the war. A must read. In case anyone doubted Garry Wills' argument in A Necessary Evil that the peculiar myths and distortions surrounding the nature, formation, and meaning of the U.S. regularly stir movements committed to myth rather than reality, Adams, a historian of taxation, delivers a polemic that proves it. The Civil War, Adams argues, was not about slavery or the Union; it was about tariffs! The Southern states had a right to secede. Slavery would have ended at some point, but Lincoln did not particularly threaten it. It was, Adams maintains, the dueling tariffs of the Union and the Confederacy that caused the war. Within his states' rights argument, Adams maintains secession's legality should have been determined by the courts, and slaveholders should have been compensated for the property they lost through emancipation. Adams relies heavily on the European press; he asserts, but does not prove, that U.S. abolitionists were a fanatical lunatic fringe. The author clearly anticipates controversy; it should not be long in coming. Mary Carroll Book Description Using primary documents from both foreign and domestic observers, prominent scholar Charles Adams makes a powerful and convincing case that the Southern states were legitimately exercising their political rights as expressed in the Declaration of Independence when they seceded from the United States. Although conventional histories have taught generations of Americans that this was a war fought for lofty moral principles, Adams' eloquent history transcends simple Southern partisanship to show how the American Civil War was primarily a battle over competing commercial interests, opposing interpretations of
