Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mental Health Risks Associated With Meatless Diet

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

/"I don't think it is the absence of meat in the diet that drives 
vegheads nuts.  It's the entrenched infrastructure!"


/Unfortunately that ignores the psycho-chemical effects of food.  It's 
all about chemistry.  All vegetable diets are useful for 
detoxification.  People generally feel good on them for a while usually 
because they've never done a detoxification program in their life.  Long 
term it can be weakening.  It alls depends on your constitution which is 
based on your genetics.


Yes, most people can stand to cut back on meat consumption.  Most would 
do fine on having some animal protein two or three times a week. It 
depends on your daily activity and what is required. Nutritionists will 
tell you that a very low calorie diet done over time can start 
catabolizing muscles resulting in weakening. Insufficient protein can be 
a real problem and many of us can not fully utilize plan protein and do 
better on some animal protein. It's in our genes.


As for mental health think about the term "comfort food".  That's what 
we naturally want to eat to reduce stress.  In ayurveda it would be the 
acknowledgement that we have become too vata and need unctuous grounding 
food.  And that is simply chemistry in action.

//
On 12/06/2015 11:29 PM, ultrarishi wrote:


So, I think I have an interesting perspective on the anxiety issue 
with those who shun meat based on what has happened in the past few 
years in our home.  I'm an omnivore.  My wife in 2012 was diagnosed 
with rectal cancer and after successful chemo and radiation treatment 
is still with my partner in crime.  After treatment I showed her the 
video Forks Over Knives which got her to investigate going plant base 
diet wise.  This has been a good lifestyle and health choice for her.  
A number of different things can cause the cancer she had and she has 
gone about eliminating those causes to the best of her ability.  Going 
plant base, eliminating alcohol, oil, fat, sugar, refined 
carbohydrates, and addressing a wheat alllergy have gone to mitigating 
inflammation of her gut which is probably one of the primary causes of 
her cancer in the first place.


However, she seems more stressed in some respects too, because when 
you adopt a vegan life style you also fall into the vegan media 
message which points out how bad we treat animals for food in their 
factory farms. Additionally, vegans begin to see that our greatest 
energy cost next to transportation is in the production of meat. They 
become aware how much water is wasted (2400 gallons of H2O for 1 lb of 
beef).  They see the corruption of our politics and agriculture and 
health by the big / big pharma / big oil syndicate.  GMO corn and soy 
for feed with Roundup for feed for animals getting fat with 
antibiotics that become useless to us.  Meat is cheap because of the 
lobbying brought about subsidies while fruits and vegetables with the 
most nutrition cost an arm and a leg.  Vegans like my wife don't see 
any hope for the planet with this system.  As Westerners get more 
obese she sees them as a threat to the healthcare system she fought so 
hard to get in place.


I don't think it is the absence of meat in the diet that drives 
vegheads nuts.  It's the entrenched infrastructu! re.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mental Health Risks Associated With Meatless Diet

[ultrarishi]

So, I think I have an interesting perspective on the anxiety issue with those 
who shun meat based on what has happened in the past few years in our home.  
I'm an omnivore.  My wife in 2012 was diagnosed with rectal cancer and after 
successful chemo and radiation treatment is still with my partner in crime.  
After treatment I showed her the video Forks Over Knives which got her to 
investigate going plant base diet wise.  This has been a good lifestyle and 
health choice for her.  A number of different things can cause the cancer she 
had and she has gone about eliminating those causes to the best of her ability. 
 Going plant base, eliminating alcohol, oil, fat, sugar, refined carbohydrates, 
and addressing a wheat alllergy have gone to mitigating inflammation of her gut 
which is probably one of the primary causes of her cancer in the first place.

However, she seems more stressed in some respects too, because when you adopt a 
vegan life style you also fall into the vegan media message which points out 
how bad we treat animals for food in their factory farms. Additionally, vegans 
begin to see that our greatest energy cost next to transportation is in the 
production of meat. They become aware how much water is wasted (2400 gallons of 
H2O for 1 lb of beef).  They see the corruption of our politics and agriculture 
and health by the big / big pharma / big oil syndicate.  GMO corn and soy for 
feed with Roundup for feed for animals getting fat with antibiotics that become 
useless to us.  Meat is cheap because of the lobbying brought about subsidies 
while fruits and vegetables with the most nutrition cost an arm and a leg.  
Vegans like my wife don't see any hope for the planet with this system.  As 
Westerners get more obese she sees them as a threat to the healthcare system 
she fought so hard to get in place.

I don't think it is the absence of meat in the diet that drives vegheads nuts.  
It's the entrenched infrastructure.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mental Health Risks Associated With Meatless Diet

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 FWIW
 
 "The article cites an Australian study from last year which found that 
vegetarians reported that they were less optimistic about their future more 
often than people who kept meat in their diets. That same study found that 
vegetarians were 18 percent more likely to report having depression and 28 
percent more likely to experience panic attacks and anxiety."
 

 Maybe they're too upset about how animals are treated and worried that it 
might get worse?
 

 As much as you meant this as a joke, there is truth and validity to this. Meat 
animals are treated abominably and those who consume it should be aware of what 
goes on. These creatures are treated as inanimate meat, not as sentient beings 
who have social structures, feelings or deep sensitivities. The whole thing is 
outrageous. Over 7 billion animals per year are slaughtered for our consumption.
 

 But it is interesting. I know many who followed the marshy ayurved 
recommendations and ended up having to have B12 injections after years of ill 
health. 
 

 And poor mental health is an open secret in the TMO though there are probably 
loads of reasons for this, stressed and neurotic people believing the promise 
of a cure, people getting wound up by the technique and believing they are 
"unstressing"? People believing Marshy that psychiatry is ineffective at best 
and getting hung up on rounding must be a better cure and getting worse. Maybe 
the worst thing is the belief people develop that they must be alright because 
they are on  highest path. I've heard some highly deranged people say that. 
Cult's are a gold mine for future research.
 

 Or maybe it's time for a south facing burger bar in FF?
 

 

 

 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mental Health Risks Associated With Meatless Diet

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

On 12/04/2015 10:11 PM, salyavin808 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

FWIW

/"The article cites an Australian study from last year which found 
that vegetarians reported that they were less optimistic about their 
future more often than people who kept meat in their diets. That same 
study found that vegetarians were 18 percent more likely to report 
having depression and 28 percent more likely to experience panic 
attacks and anxiety."/

/
/
Maybe they're too upset about how animals are treated and worried that 
it might get worse?


But it is interesting. I know many who followed the marshy ayurved 
recommendations and ended up having to have B12 injections after years 
of ill health.


And poor mental health is an open secret in the TMO though there are 
probably loads of reasons for this, stressed and neurotic people 
believing the promise of a cure, people getting wound up by the 
technique and believing they are "unstressing"? People believing 
Marshy that psychiatry is ineffective at best and getting hung up on 
rounding must be a better cure and getting worse. Maybe the worst 
thing is the belief people develop that they must be alright because 
they are on  highest path. I've heard some highly deranged people say 
that. Cult's are a gold mine for future research.


Or maybe it's time for a south facing burger bar in FF?


You came late to TM but in the 1970s where I lived many of the 
meditators and even teachers returned to eating meat.  This after having 
bouts of anemia or hypoglycemia.  In 1975 when on my TTC we had fish or 
chicken offered twice a week and Thursdays eggs and even tuna would have 
been available for lunch.  By 1978 it was a little tough to make it 
through even two week TM-Sidhis courses without some meat since they had 
gone all veg.


Ayurveda does not ban the eating of meat.  Some gurus even claim that 
ban came from the Jains.  Apparently Swami Vivekananda did not even ban 
eating beef.  The Swami I knew from the Vivekananda center was known for 
encouraging members who he thought anemic to try eating beef (which 
cures anemia damn fast).  He even wrote about the difference between 
beef cattle and milk cows which Hindus revere as holy.


The local Burger King has a south facing entrance and does a lot of 
business. :-)








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mental Health Risks Associated With Meatless Diet

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 FWIW
 
 "The article cites an Australian study from last year which found that 
vegetarians reported that they were less optimistic about their future more 
often than people who kept meat in their diets. That same study found that 
vegetarians were 18 percent more likely to report having depression and 28 
percent more likely to experience panic attacks and anxiety."
 

 Maybe they're too upset about how animals are treated and worried that it 
might get worse?
 

 But it is interesting. I know many who followed the marshy ayurved 
recommendations and ended up having to have B12 injections after years of ill 
health. 
 

 And poor mental health is an open secret in the TMO though there are probably 
loads of reasons for this, stressed and neurotic people believing the promise 
of a cure, people getting wound up by the technique and believing they are 
"unstressing"? People believing Marshy that psychiatry is ineffective at best 
and getting hung up on rounding must be a better cure and getting worse. Maybe 
the worst thing is the belief people develop that they must be alright because 
they are on  highest path. I've heard some highly deranged people say that. 
Cult's are a gold mine for future research.
 

 Or maybe it's time for a south facing burger bar in FF?
 

 

 

 
 
 
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2015/12/04/research-points-to-mental-health-risks-associated-with-meatless-diet/
 
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2015/12/04/research-points-to-mental-health-risks-associated-with-meatless-diet/