[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-09-01 Thread Ingegerd
The growing mafia-like mentality was in my mind, but I did dare to 
write it. it is scaring.
Ingegerd

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 8/31/06 7:33 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   I don't think that the TMO and the TB's want to physical kill
   somebody, because they are very aware of their own Karma (I 
hope).
   It is some really crazy people out there. So far, as I know 
the
   threats has been on the psychology level. But in the future - 
when
   MMY has gone - and some even more material guys is taking 
over the
   TMO, and more and more critical questions is coming up, you 
never
   know what will happen.
   Ingegerd
  
 The first time Amma came to FF she received three death threats. A 
spiritual
 teacher who was planning to come a few months before her received 
one and
 changed his plans. Someone recently threatened to kill Shiva Ma 
for stirring
 up a fuss about the dome, but that may have just been an empty 
threat, like
 children use. A friend of mine who taught TM in India for many 
years says be
 regards the Indian TMO as having a mafia-like mentality, and not 
above
 killing someone or having them killed.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-09-01 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The growing mafia-like mentality was in my mind, but I did 
 dare to write it. it is scaring.
 Ingegerd

You think it's scary now?  Just wait until Maharishi 
dies. Based on the pattern of what happens in almost
all spiritual movements when the leader they've placed 
on a pedestal dies, it'll get worse...MUCH worse.


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  on 8/31/06 7:33 AM, Ingegerd at marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
  
I don't think that the TMO and the TB's want to physical kill
somebody, because they are very aware of their own Karma (I 
 hope).
It is some really crazy people out there. So far, as I know 
 the
threats has been on the psychology level. But in the future - 
 when
MMY has gone - and some even more material guys is taking 
 over the
TMO, and more and more critical questions is coming up, you 
 never
know what will happen.
Ingegerd
   
  The first time Amma came to FF she received three death threats. A 
 spiritual
  teacher who was planning to come a few months before her received 
 one and
  changed his plans. Someone recently threatened to kill Shiva Ma 
 for stirring
  up a fuss about the dome, but that may have just been an empty 
 threat, like
  children use. A friend of mine who taught TM in India for many 
 years says be
  regards the Indian TMO as having a mafia-like mentality, and not 
 above
  killing someone or having them killed.
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-09-01 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Paul posted a quote from Guru Dev that made
 it clear that Maharishi would never have been
 allowed to teach and have disciples within 
 the tradition that Guru Dev represented. You 
 can imagine how well that went down with a 
 fanatical TB. :-)

I read the quote from Brahmananda Saraswati, Guru Dev, and then the 
following comments. The world has changed a great deal since Guru 
Dev's time. What He said was said in the context of those around 
Him, and Indian culture. And it was perfect- for THAT time and place.

To somehow then say it applies now, or even that it applies by 
extension to Maharishi is faulty logic. 

All Guru Dev wants is the rapid increase of Sattva, through the 
transformation of Tamas, universally. Nothing more and nothing less. 
He strongly radiates It. There are NO boundaries to His knowledge.

PS to Barry, no, I am not talking about Jim here- this is 
specifically straight from the Brahmananda Saraswati frequency. Even 
Jim on a good day cannot compare with Brahmananda Saraswati with 
regards to His power and purity.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-09-01 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 PS to Barry, no, I am not talking about Jim here- this is 
 specifically straight from the Brahmananda Saraswati frequency. Even 
 Jim on a good day cannot compare with Brahmananda Saraswati with 
 regards to His power and purity.

PS to Jim. 

As much as I like you, I probably consider your 
own ideas of what is true and what is not a great
deal more valid than I would consider ideas that 
you think come straight from a guy who has been 
dead for over 50 years. :-)








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-09-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip
 PS to Barry, no, I am not talking about Jim here- this is 
 specifically straight from the Brahmananda Saraswati frequency. Even 
 Jim on a good day cannot compare with Brahmananda Saraswati with 
 regards to His power and purity.

Not *even Jim* can compare with Guru Dev??  Wow!







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-09-01 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd
 marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
 
  The growing mafia-like mentality was in my mind, but I did 
  dare to write it. it is scaring.
  Ingegerd
 
 You think it's scary now?  Just wait until Maharishi 
 dies. Based on the pattern of what happens in almost
 all spiritual movements when the leader they've placed 
 on a pedestal dies, it'll get worse...MUCH worse.

That is what I am afraid of.
Ingegerd
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ 
wrote:
  
   on 8/31/06 7:33 AM, Ingegerd at marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
   
 I don't think that the TMO and the TB's want to physical 
kill
 somebody, because they are very aware of their own Karma 
(I 
  hope).
 It is some really crazy people out there. So far, as I 
know 
  the
 threats has been on the psychology level. But in the 
future - 
  when
 MMY has gone - and some even more material guys is taking 
  over the
 TMO, and more and more critical questions is coming up, 
you 
  never
 know what will happen.
 Ingegerd

   The first time Amma came to FF she received three death 
threats. A 
  spiritual
   teacher who was planning to come a few months before her 
received 
  one and
   changed his plans. Someone recently threatened to kill Shiva 
Ma 
  for stirring
   up a fuss about the dome, but that may have just been an empty 
  threat, like
   children use. A friend of mine who taught TM in India for many 
  years says be
   regards the Indian TMO as having a mafia-like mentality, and 
not 
  above
   killing someone or having them killed.
  
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-09-01 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
 snip
  PS to Barry, no, I am not talking about Jim here- this is 
  specifically straight from the Brahmananda Saraswati frequency. 
Even 
  Jim on a good day cannot compare with Brahmananda Saraswati with 
  regards to His power and purity.
 
 Not *even Jim* can compare with Guru Dev??  Wow!

Hi- did what I said sound pompous? Just a misunderstanding. Context is 
everything...Barry had made an earlier remark about me attributing 
something about Maharishi instead being just a good experience I was 
having personally- So I was just clarifying here that I was 
specifically sharing what I know of Guru Dev and that it wasn't me. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-09-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
  wrote:
  snip
   PS to Barry, no, I am not talking about Jim here- this is 
   specifically straight from the Brahmananda Saraswati frequency.
   Even Jim on a good day cannot compare with Brahmananda 
   Saraswati with regards to His power and purity.
  
  Not *even Jim* can compare with Guru Dev??  Wow!
 
 Hi- did what I said sound pompous?

I'm not sure pompous is quite the word I'd use,
but it was a little startling, yes.  ;-)

 Just a misunderstanding. Context is 
 everything...Barry had made an earlier remark about me attributing 
 something about Maharishi instead being just a good experience I
 was having personally- So I was just clarifying here that I was 
 specifically sharing what I know of Guru Dev and that it wasn't me.

I figured.  Just twitting you a little.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-09-01 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
jflanegi@ 
   wrote:
   snip
PS to Barry, no, I am not talking about Jim here- this is 
specifically straight from the Brahmananda Saraswati 
frequency.
Even Jim on a good day cannot compare with Brahmananda 
Saraswati with regards to His power and purity.
   
   Not *even Jim* can compare with Guru Dev??  Wow!
  
  Hi- did what I said sound pompous?
 
 I'm not sure pompous is quite the word I'd use,
 but it was a little startling, yes.  ;-)
 
  Just a misunderstanding. Context is 
  everything...Barry had made an earlier remark about me 
attributing 
  something about Maharishi instead being just a good experience I
  was having personally- So I was just clarifying here that I was 
  specifically sharing what I know of Guru Dev and that it wasn't 
me.
 
 I figured.  Just twitting you a little.

That's fine- yeah I am absolutely clear who is who when I write 
stuff...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Frank. Thank you for the lovely turd. I'm sure you
 feel better now and your bowels are flowing freely in
 the true dharma. FFL the toilet bowl of true
 believers!
 
 P.S. I still don't know what Paul said that was so
 awful. Whatever it was , it was a serious thought
 crime, that we know.

Paul posted a quote from Guru Dev that made
it clear that Maharishi would never have been
allowed to teach and have disciples within 
the tradition that Guru Dev represented. You 
can imagine how well that went down with a 
fanatical TB. :-)

But I'm still curious about two points in his
letter. 

First, what exactly is a fault apple?
 
Second, does Nader Ram's cosmic role as the 
protector of cows answer the question of why 
they've been having such a tough time finding 
him a suitable queen? If it turns out they've 
been searching among the wrong species that
would be udder disaster  :-)



 --- Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! 
  
  
   
  You are arguing like some silly child from the
  kindergarten. I am not 
  giving knowledge out to someone, who can't
  understand, or who's brain 
  is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak
  it out Frank
  (ly)! 
   
  Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group
  is:
  MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo!
  You are polluting the dear  sweet feeling of ours
  towards His 
  Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva
  Incarnate, not 
  only myself had that cognition), so watch out for
  your bad Karma, you 
  are producing) Yogi!
   
  P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a
  Guru:
  Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines
  a man caste, it 
  is his inner state of developed consciousness,
  ´which shows to what 
  class of people he or she belongs!
  Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga
  like thoughts and do 
  not belong to the Golden Age!
   
   
   
  It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid
  from my side to give 
  you further on my attention. If someone discuses
  from the finishing 
  class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came
  into the first
  Class of elementary school.
  I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet
  dangerous to 
  feed a snake with milk. 
  Next time she will bide you…..
  So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from
  the church, the 
  today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the
  silly men from the 
  wild bushes in Texas!
   

  I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money
  you received 
  from your silly government, writing such a stupid
  book? I told you, 
  you are a wolf in disguise!
  There is saying:
  A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint!
  Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class.
  The birth never determents someone Vedic caste
  (heritage), it is his 
  inner state of consciousness that shows up to which
  class that person 
  belongs.
  You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi
  and you dare to 
  write about His personality!°
  Shame on you!
  I am not misusing my precious time any more on you!
  You are a so-
  called fault apple in Maharishis Movement, stay
  away from us!
  Now I have written enough about this silly thing and
  let it be and 
  give it over to my sweet  most cherished Lord
  Krishna, who was at an 
  earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma).
   
  All Glory to Guru Dewa
  All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
  All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of
  Dharma, Cows  
  Vedic Shishyas.
   
   
  Frank W. Lotz
  Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking
  Style  
  the Art of Living in accord with the Veda.
  
  
  
  
  
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-31 Thread Paul Mason
Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. He sent in response to 
my suggestion that he is obsessed with gods, gurus and self worth, 
and that he has made a guru out of his idol (MMY), which was 
incorrect because Guru Dev expressly condemned anyone other than 
brahmanas to be gurus (hence the quote about gurus, I just translated 
it to clear up that point for him). 
His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, therefore I 
thought it best to make his rant more public.





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 I am confused.
 
 Who is calling Paul a wolf in disguise?
 
 The first several paragraphs are not attributed to anyone so at 
 first glance it appears that Paul wrote it himself...but that 
 doesn't make sense...so what's going on here?
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
 premanandpaul@ wrote:
 
  Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! 
  
  
   
  You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am 
 not 
  giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's 
 brain 
  is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out Frank
  (ly)! 
   
  Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is:
  MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo!
  You are polluting the dear  sweet feeling of ours towards His 
  Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not 
  only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, 
 you 
  are producing) Yogi!
   
  P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru:
  Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, 
 it 
  is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to 
 what 
  class of people he or she belongs!
  Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts 
and 
 do 
  not belong to the Golden Age!
   
   
   
  It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side to 
 give 
  you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the 
 finishing 
  class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the 
first
  Class of elementary school.
  I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet dangerous to 
  feed a snake with milk. 
  Next time she will bide you…..
  So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, 
 the 
  today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from 
 the 
  wild bushes in Texas!
   

  I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you received 
  from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told 
 you, 
  you are a wolf in disguise!
  There is saying:
  A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint!
  Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class.
  The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it is 
 his 
  inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class that 
 person 
  belongs.
  You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you dare 
to 
  write about His personality!°
  Shame on you!
  I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a so-
  called fault apple in Maharishis Movement, stay away from us!
  Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it be 
and 
  give it over to my sweet  most cherished Lord Krishna, who was 
at 
 an 
  earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma).
   
  All Glory to Guru Dewa
  All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
  All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, Cows  
  Vedic Shishyas.
   
   
  Frank W. Lotz
  Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style  
  the Art of Living in accord with the Veda.
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-31 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 First, what exactly is a fault apple?

He probably means 'rotten apple'. In german rotten is 'faul'.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. He sent in response to 
 my suggestion that he is obsessed with gods, gurus and self worth, 
 and that he has made a guru out of his idol (MMY), which was 
 incorrect because Guru Dev expressly condemned anyone other than 
 brahmanas to be gurus (hence the quote about gurus, I just
 translated it to clear up that point for him). 
 His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, therefore
 I thought it best to make his rant more public.

You mean, his threat not to give you any more
knowledge?  Seemed pretty explicit to me...

snip
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
  premanandpaul@ wrote:
  
   Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! 

   You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten.
   I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand,
   or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it 
   speak it out Frank(ly)! 

   Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is:
   MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo!
   You are polluting the dear  sweet feeling of ours towards His 
   Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, 
not 
   only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad 
Karma, 
  you 
   are producing) Yogi!

   P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru:
   Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man 
caste, 
  it 
   is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to 
  what 
   class of people he or she belongs!
   Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts 
 and 
  do 
   not belong to the Golden Age!



   It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side 
to 
  give 
   you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the 
  finishing 
   class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the 
 first
   Class of elementary school.
   I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet dangerous 
to 
   feed a snake with milk. 
   Next time she will bide you…..
   So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, 
  the 
   today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from 
  the 
   wild bushes in Texas!

 
   I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you 
received 
   from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told 
  you, 
   you are a wolf in disguise!
   There is saying:
   A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint!
   Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class.
   The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it 
is 
  his 
   inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class that 
  person 
   belongs.
   You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you dare 
 to 
   write about His personality!°
   Shame on you!
   I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a 
so-
   called fault apple in Maharishis Movement, stay away from us!
   Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it be 
 and 
   give it over to my sweet  most cherished Lord Krishna, who was 
 at 
  an 
   earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma).

   All Glory to Guru Dewa
   All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
   All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, Cows 
 
   Vedic Shishyas.


   Frank W. Lotz
   Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style  
   the Art of Living in accord with the Veda.
  
 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. 
 . . .
 His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
 therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public.

A wise precaution. I've been doing research for 
a story idea about religious fanatics who are 
willing to commit serious crimes (including 
murder) to protect their fanatical ideas of
what is true and what is not. The more you
read about the real things that these kinds 
of real people do in the name of God and 
religion, the scarier it gets and the more 
precautions you feel like taking in your life
if you are perceived by one or more of them 
as a heretic.

Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism
didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/
Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world
there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands --
of murders performed in the name of God. It really
lends credence to the idea that religion is a 
disease, and that what the world needs is not
more religion, but an antidote to it.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-31 Thread Paul Mason
'so watch out for your bad
Karma,
  you
   are producing) Yogi!'


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
 premanandpaul@ wrote:
 
  Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. He sent in response 
to 
  my suggestion that he is obsessed with gods, gurus and self 
worth, 
  and that he has made a guru out of his idol (MMY), which was 
  incorrect because Guru Dev expressly condemned anyone other than 
  brahmanas to be gurus (hence the quote about gurus, I just
  translated it to clear up that point for him). 
  His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
therefore
  I thought it best to make his rant more public.
 
 You mean, his threat not to give you any more
 knowledge?  Seemed pretty explicit to me...
 
 snip
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
   premanandpaul@ wrote:
   
Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! 
 
You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten.
I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't 
understand,
or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it 
speak it out Frank(ly)! 
 
Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is:
MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo!
You are polluting the dear  sweet feeling of ours towards 
His 
Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, 
 not 
only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad 
 Karma, 
   you 
are producing) Yogi!
 
P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru:
Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man 
 caste, 
   it 
is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows 
to 
   what 
class of people he or she belongs!
Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like 
thoughts 
  and 
   do 
not belong to the Golden Age!
 
 
 
It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side 
 to 
   give 
you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the 
   finishing 
class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the 
  first
Class of elementary school.
I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet 
dangerous 
 to 
feed a snake with milk. 
Next time she will bide you…..
So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the 
church, 
   the 
today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men 
from 
   the 
wild bushes in Texas!
 
  
I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you 
 received 
from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I 
told 
   you, 
you are a wolf in disguise!
There is saying:
A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint!
Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class.
The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it 
 is 
   his 
inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class 
that 
   person 
belongs.
You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you 
dare 
  to 
write about His personality!°
Shame on you!
I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a 
 so-
called fault apple in Maharishis Movement, stay away from 
us!
Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it 
be 
  and 
give it over to my sweet  most cherished Lord Krishna, who 
was 
  at 
   an 
earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma).
 
All Glory to Guru Dewa
All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, 
Cows 
  
Vedic Shishyas.
 
 
Frank W. Lotz
Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style  
the Art of Living in accord with the Veda.
   
  
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-31 Thread Ingegerd
I don't think that the TMO and the TB's want to physical kill 
somebody, because they are very aware of their own Karma (I hope). 
It is some really crazy people out there. So far, as I know the 
threats has been on the psychology level. But in the future - when 
MMY has gone - and some even more material guys is taking over the 
TMO, and more and more critical questions is coming up, you never 
know what will happen.
Ingegerd

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@
 wrote:
 
  Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. 
  . . .
  His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
  therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public.
 
 A wise precaution. I've been doing research for 
 a story idea about religious fanatics who are 
 willing to commit serious crimes (including 
 murder) to protect their fanatical ideas of
 what is true and what is not. The more you
 read about the real things that these kinds 
 of real people do in the name of God and 
 religion, the scarier it gets and the more 
 precautions you feel like taking in your life
 if you are perceived by one or more of them 
 as a heretic.
 
 Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism
 didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/
 Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world
 there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands --
 of murders performed in the name of God. It really
 lends credence to the idea that religion is a 
 disease, and that what the world needs is not
 more religion, but an antidote to it.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 'so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi!'

That's a *threat*??

Come on, Paul.

I think you just wanted to hold this doofus
up to ridicule.

(Not that he doesn't deserve it...but a threat?
Give us a break!)

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
  premanandpaul@ wrote:
  
   Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. He sent in 
response 
 to 
   my suggestion that he is obsessed with gods, gurus and self 
 worth, 
   and that he has made a guru out of his idol (MMY), which was 
   incorrect because Guru Dev expressly condemned anyone other 
than 
   brahmanas to be gurus (hence the quote about gurus, I just
   translated it to clear up that point for him). 
   His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
 therefore
   I thought it best to make his rant more public.
  
  You mean, his threat not to give you any more
  knowledge?  Seemed pretty explicit to me...
  
  snip
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
premanandpaul@ wrote:

 Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! 
  
 You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten.
 I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't 
 understand,
 or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name 
it 
 speak it out Frank(ly)! 
  
 Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is:
 MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo!
 You are polluting the dear  sweet feeling of ours towards 
 His 
 Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva 
Incarnate, 
  not 
 only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad 
  Karma, 
you 
 are producing) Yogi!
  
 P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru:
 Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man 
  caste, 
it 
 is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows 
 to 
what 
 class of people he or she belongs!
 Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like 
 thoughts 
   and 
do 
 not belong to the Golden Age!
  
  
  
 It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my 
side 
  to 
give 
 you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the 
finishing 
 class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into 
the 
   first
 Class of elementary school.
 I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet 
 dangerous 
  to 
 feed a snake with milk. 
 Next time she will bide you…..
 So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the 
 church, 
the 
 today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men 
 from 
the 
 wild bushes in Texas!
  
   
 I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you 
  received 
 from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I 
 told 
you, 
 you are a wolf in disguise!
 There is saying:
 A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint!
 Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class.
 The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), 
it 
  is 
his 
 inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class 
 that 
person 
 belongs.
 You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you 
 dare 
   to 
 write about His personality!°
 Shame on you!
 I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are 
a 
  so-
 called fault apple in Maharishis Movement, stay away from 
 us!
 Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it 
 be 
   and 
 give it over to my sweet  most cherished Lord Krishna, who 
 was 
   at 
an 
 earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma).
  
 All Glory to Guru Dewa
 All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
 All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, 
 Cows 
   
 Vedic Shishyas.
  
  
 Frank W. Lotz
 Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style  
 the Art of Living in accord with the Veda.

   
  
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@
 wrote:
 
  Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. 
  . . .
  His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
  therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public.
 
 A wise precaution. I've been doing research for 
 a story idea about religious fanatics who are 
 willing to commit serious crimes (including 
 murder) to protect their fanatical ideas of
 what is true and what is not. The more you
 read about the real things that these kinds 
 of real people do in the name of God and 
 religion, the scarier it gets and the more 
 precautions you feel like taking in your life
 if you are perceived by one or more of them 
 as a heretic.
 
 Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism
 didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/
 Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world
 there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands --
 of murders performed in the name of God. It really
 lends credence to the idea that religion is a 
 disease, and that what the world needs is not
 more religion, but an antidote to it.

Religion isn't a disease, it's an excuse.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@
 wrote:
 
  Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. 
  . . .
  His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
  therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public.
 
 A wise precaution. I've been doing research for 
 a story idea about religious fanatics who are 
 willing to commit serious crimes (including 
 murder) to protect their fanatical ideas of
 what is true and what is not. The more you
 read about the real things that these kinds 
 of real people do in the name of God and 
 religion, the scarier it gets and the more 
 precautions you feel like taking in your life
 if you are perceived by one or more of them 
 as a heretic.

Jeez.  And *TMers* are paranoid??




 
 Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism
 didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/
 Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world
 there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands --
 of murders performed in the name of God. It really
 lends credence to the idea that religion is a 
 disease, and that what the world needs is not
 more religion, but an antidote to it.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-31 Thread Paul Mason
There you go again, doing a second take on my motives.
I turned down a tour of radio stations in the States because of my 
concern about fanatics.
 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
 premanandpaul@ wrote:
 
  'so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi!'
 
 That's a *threat*??
 
 Come on, Paul.
 
 I think you just wanted to hold this doofus
 up to ridicule.
 
 (Not that he doesn't deserve it...but a threat?
 Give us a break!)
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
   premanandpaul@ wrote:
   
Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. He sent in 
 response 
  to 
my suggestion that he is obsessed with gods, gurus and self 
  worth, 
and that he has made a guru out of his idol (MMY), which was 
incorrect because Guru Dev expressly condemned anyone other 
 than 
brahmanas to be gurus (hence the quote about gurus, I just
translated it to clear up that point for him). 
His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
  therefore
I thought it best to make his rant more public.
   
   You mean, his threat not to give you any more
   knowledge?  Seemed pretty explicit to me...
   
   snip
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
 premanandpaul@ wrote:
 
  Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! 
   
  You are arguing like some silly child from the 
kindergarten.
  I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't 
  understand,
  or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name 
 it 
  speak it out Frank(ly)! 
   
  Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is:
  MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo!
  You are polluting the dear  sweet feeling of ours 
towards 
  His 
  Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva 
 Incarnate, 
   not 
  only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your 
bad 
   Karma, 
 you 
  are producing) Yogi!
   
  P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru:
  Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a 
man 
   caste, 
 it 
  is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which 
shows 
  to 
 what 
  class of people he or she belongs!
  Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like 
  thoughts 
and 
 do 
  not belong to the Golden Age!
   
   
   
  It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my 
 side 
   to 
 give 
  you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the 
 finishing 
  class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into 
 the 
first
  Class of elementary school.
  I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet 
  dangerous 
   to 
  feed a snake with milk. 
  Next time she will bide you…..
  So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the 
  church, 
 the 
  today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly 
men 
  from 
 the 
  wild bushes in Texas!
   

  I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you 
   received 
  from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I 
  told 
 you, 
  you are a wolf in disguise!
  There is saying:
  A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint!
  Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class.
  The birth never determents someone Vedic caste 
(heritage), 
 it 
   is 
 his 
  inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class 
  that 
 person 
  belongs.
  You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and 
you 
  dare 
to 
  write about His personality!°
  Shame on you!
  I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You 
are 
 a 
   so-
  called fault apple in Maharishis Movement, stay away 
from 
  us!
  Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let 
it 
  be 
and 
  give it over to my sweet  most cherished Lord Krishna, 
who 
  was 
at 
 an 
  earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma).
   
  All Glory to Guru Dewa
  All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
  All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of 
Dharma, 
  Cows 

  Vedic Shishyas.
   
   
  Frank W. Lotz
  Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style 
 
  the Art of Living in accord with the Veda.
 

   
  
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't think that the TMO and the TB's want to physical 
 kill somebody, because they are very aware of their own 
 Karma (I hope).  

I'm not convinced. I knew people within the TM movement
*and* the Rama trip who were so gone and so detached 
from any meaningful definition of reality that they 
would have committed murder in a heartbeat if they had 
been asked to do so by the teacher whom they had placed 
on a pedestal right beside their warped notion of God. 
Fortunately they were never asked to do anything more 
illegal than smuggle money across international borders
or lie to the press. 

They had *no problem* with doing these things. They had
actually managed to convince themselves that they were
accruing good karma by breaking the law.

 It is some really crazy people out there.
 So far as I know the 
 threats has been on the psychology level. But in the 
 future - when MMY has gone - and some even more material 
 guys is taking over the TMO, and more and more critical 
 questions is coming up, you never know what will happen.

Exactly why I am writing these kinds of stories. As
Ray Bradbury once put it so well, I don't try to 
describe the future. I try to prevent it.

One reason I'm still here on FFL is that it provides
me with a lot of great dialog for these stories. If
I had to try to *make up* the way that True Believers
think, I'd probably run out of ideas within a day or
so, but here I get new input material every week.


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@
  wrote:
  
   Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. 
   . . .
   His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
   therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public.
  
  A wise precaution. I've been doing research for 
  a story idea about religious fanatics who are 
  willing to commit serious crimes (including 
  murder) to protect their fanatical ideas of
  what is true and what is not. The more you
  read about the real things that these kinds 
  of real people do in the name of God and 
  religion, the scarier it gets and the more 
  precautions you feel like taking in your life
  if you are perceived by one or more of them 
  as a heretic.
  
  Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism
  didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/
  Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world
  there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands --
  of murders performed in the name of God. It really
  lends credence to the idea that religion is a 
  disease, and that what the world needs is not
  more religion, but an antidote to it.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There you go again, doing a second take on my motives.

When the stated motivation doesn't fit the
circumstances, a second take seems appropriate.

 I turned down a tour of radio stations in the States because of my 
 concern about fanatics.

Which proves...what, exactly?

  
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
  premanandpaul@ wrote:
  
   'so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi!'
  
  That's a *threat*??
  
  Come on, Paul.
  
  I think you just wanted to hold this doofus
  up to ridicule.
  
  (Not that he doesn't deserve it...but a threat?
  Give us a break!)
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
premanandpaul@ wrote:

 Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. He sent in 
  response 
   to 
 my suggestion that he is obsessed with gods, gurus and self 
   worth, 
 and that he has made a guru out of his idol (MMY), which 
was 
 incorrect because Guru Dev expressly condemned anyone other 
  than 
 brahmanas to be gurus (hence the quote about gurus, I just
 translated it to clear up that point for him). 
 His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
   therefore
 I thought it best to make his rant more public.

You mean, his threat not to give you any more
knowledge?  Seemed pretty explicit to me...

snip
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
  premanandpaul@ wrote:
  
   Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! 

   You are arguing like some silly child from the 
 kindergarten.
   I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't 
   understand,
   or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my 
Name 
  it 
   speak it out Frank(ly)! 

   Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is:
   MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo!
   You are polluting the dear  sweet feeling of ours 
 towards 
   His 
   Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva 
  Incarnate, 
not 
   only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your 
 bad 
Karma, 
  you 
   are producing) Yogi!

   P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru:
   Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a 
 man 
caste, 
  it 
   is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which 
 shows 
   to 
  what 
   class of people he or she belongs!
   Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like 
   thoughts 
 and 
  do 
   not belong to the Golden Age!



   It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from 
my 
  side 
to 
  give 
   you further on my attention. If someone discuses from 
the 
  finishing 
   class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came 
into 
  the 
 first
   Class of elementary school.
   I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet 
   dangerous 
to 
   feed a snake with milk. 
   Next time she will bide you…..
   So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the 
   church, 
  the 
   today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly 
 men 
   from 
  the 
   wild bushes in Texas!

 
   I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money 
you 
received 
   from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? 
I 
   told 
  you, 
   you are a wolf in disguise!
   There is saying:
   A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint!
   Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class.
   The birth never determents someone Vedic caste 
 (heritage), 
  it 
is 
  his 
   inner state of consciousness that shows up to which 
class 
   that 
  person 
   belongs.
   You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and 
 you 
   dare 
 to 
   write about His personality!°
   Shame on you!
   I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You 
 are 
  a 
so-
   called fault apple in Maharishis Movement, stay away 
 from 
   us!
   Now I have written enough about this silly thing and 
let 
 it 
   be 
 and 
   give it over to my sweet  most cherished Lord Krishna, 
 who 
   was 
 at 
  an 
   earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma).

   All Glory to Guru Dewa
   All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
   All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of 
 Dharma, 
   Cows 
 
   Vedic Shishyas.


   Frank W. Lotz
   Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking 
Style 
  
   the Art of Living in accord with the Veda.
  
 

   
  
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 There you go again, doing a second take on my motives.
 I turned down a tour of radio stations in the States  
 because of my concern about fanatics.

I completely understand, Paul. In the time since I
wrote Road Trip Mind, my car has been trashed (set 
on fire during the night), a brick wrapped in a 
piece of paper that had Wake up...time to die
written on it was thrown through my front window, 
and numerous attempts were made to get me fired 
from my work contracts in the US. As far as I can 
tell, all of this was done by a couple of super-
fanatical Rama students who were not happy with 
what I wrote about him. 

Go figure. I mean, go fucking figure. From my side,
I thought my book was pretty positive and balanced
in its view of him, but it wasn't the party line 
so I guess some people got threatened by that.  

So a little inaccessibility is not a bad idea. At 
the same time, you don't want to allow these 
assholes to silence you. That, after all, is what 
they're trying to do.


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
  premanandpaul@ wrote:
  
   'so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi!'
  
  That's a *threat*??
  
  Come on, Paul.
  
  I think you just wanted to hold this doofus
  up to ridicule.
  
  (Not that he doesn't deserve it...but a threat?
  Give us a break!)
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
premanandpaul@ wrote:

 Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. He sent in 
  response 
   to 
 my suggestion that he is obsessed with gods, gurus and self 
   worth, 
 and that he has made a guru out of his idol (MMY), which was 
 incorrect because Guru Dev expressly condemned anyone other 
  than 
 brahmanas to be gurus (hence the quote about gurus, I just
 translated it to clear up that point for him). 
 His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
   therefore
 I thought it best to make his rant more public.

You mean, his threat not to give you any more
knowledge?  Seemed pretty explicit to me...

snip
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
  premanandpaul@ wrote:
  
   Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! 

   You are arguing like some silly child from the 
 kindergarten.
   I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't 
   understand,
   or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name 
  it 
   speak it out Frank(ly)! 

   Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is:
   MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo!
   You are polluting the dear  sweet feeling of ours 
 towards 
   His 
   Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva 
  Incarnate, 
not 
   only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your 
 bad 
Karma, 
  you 
   are producing) Yogi!

   P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru:
   Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a 
 man 
caste, 
  it 
   is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which 
 shows 
   to 
  what 
   class of people he or she belongs!
   Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like 
   thoughts 
 and 
  do 
   not belong to the Golden Age!



   It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my 
  side 
to 
  give 
   you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the 
  finishing 
   class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into 
  the 
 first
   Class of elementary school.
   I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet 
   dangerous 
to 
   feed a snake with milk. 
   Next time she will bide you…..
   So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the 
   church, 
  the 
   today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly 
 men 
   from 
  the 
   wild bushes in Texas!

 
   I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you 
received 
   from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I 
   told 
  you, 
   you are a wolf in disguise!
   There is saying:
   A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint!
   Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class.
   The birth never determents someone Vedic caste 
 (heritage), 
  it 
is 
  his 
   inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class 
   that 
  person 
   belongs.
   You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and 
 you 
   dare 
 to 
   write about His personality!°
   Shame on you!
   I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You 
 are 
  a 
so-
   called fault apple in 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-31 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@
 wrote:
 
  Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. 
  . . .
  His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
  therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public.
 
 A wise precaution. I've been doing research for 
 a story idea about religious fanatics who are 
 willing to commit serious crimes (including 
 murder) to protect their fanatical ideas of
 what is true and what is not. The more you
 read about the real things that these kinds 
 of real people do in the name of God and 
 religion, the scarier it gets and the more 
 precautions you feel like taking in your life
 if you are perceived by one or more of them 
 as a heretic.
 
 Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism
 didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/
 Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world
 there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands --
 of murders performed in the name of God. It really
 lends credence to the idea that religion is a 
 disease, and that what the world needs is not
 more religion, but an antidote to it.



I don't disagree that religion is often used as a pretext or excuse 
for killing and that, indeed, millions have died and suffered 
through the ages because of it.

However, to keep things in perspective: more people died and 
suffered in the name of atheism (the state religion of communism) 
than ever died in the name of religion.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-31 Thread hugheshugo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
premanandpaul@
  wrote:
  
   Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. 
   . . .
   His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
   therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public.
  
  A wise precaution. I've been doing research for 
  a story idea about religious fanatics who are 
  willing to commit serious crimes (including 
  murder) to protect their fanatical ideas of
  what is true and what is not. The more you
  read about the real things that these kinds 
  of real people do in the name of God and 
  religion, the scarier it gets and the more 
  precautions you feel like taking in your life
  if you are perceived by one or more of them 
  as a heretic.
  
  Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism
  didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/
  Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world
  there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands --
  of murders performed in the name of God. It really
  lends credence to the idea that religion is a 
  disease, and that what the world needs is not
  more religion, but an antidote to it.
 
 
 
 I don't disagree that religion is often used as a pretext or 
excuse 
 for killing and that, indeed, millions have died and suffered 
 through the ages because of it.
 
 However, to keep things in perspective: more people died and 
 suffered in the name of atheism (the state religion of communism) 
 than ever died in the name of religion.


True, but communism and nazism were run in much the same way as all 
religions, with powerful figureheads dispensing the truth, true 
believers, heretics and outsiders etc. It's just human nature to 
form us  them groups.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-31 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Barry writes: clipped
 Every year around the world
 there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands --
 of murders performed in the name of God. It really
 lends credence to the idea that religion is a 
 disease, and that what the world needs is not
 more religion, but an antidote to it.

Judy writes:
Religion isn't a disease, it's an excuse.

Tom T;
Actually it appears to be an addiction. An addiction is any thought
anyone tries to hold as absolutely true. As in, my god is bigger,
better than your god.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Barry writes: clipped
  Every year around the world
  there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands --
  of murders performed in the name of God. It really
  lends credence to the idea that religion is a 
  disease, and that what the world needs is not
  more religion, but an antidote to it.
 
 Judy writes:
 Religion isn't a disease, it's an excuse.
 
 Tom T;
 Actually it appears to be an addiction. An addiction is 
 any thought anyone tries to hold as absolutely true. As 
 in, my god is bigger, better than your god.

Or even god exists or god doesn't exist.

The pragmatic bottom line seems to be that if
you meet someone who claims to know the truth,
run away as fast as you possibly can. Suppress
your natural tendency to laugh until you're well 
out of range.  :-)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-31 Thread Paul Mason
For more research material:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Maharishi_Mahesh_Yogi/

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@
 wrote:
 
  There you go again, doing a second take on my motives.
  I turned down a tour of radio stations in the States  
  because of my concern about fanatics.
 
 I completely understand, Paul. In the time since I
 wrote Road Trip Mind, my car has been trashed (set 
 on fire during the night), a brick wrapped in a 
 piece of paper that had Wake up...time to die
 written on it was thrown through my front window, 
 and numerous attempts were made to get me fired 
 from my work contracts in the US. As far as I can 
 tell, all of this was done by a couple of super-
 fanatical Rama students who were not happy with 
 what I wrote about him. 
 
 Go figure. I mean, go fucking figure. From my side,
 I thought my book was pretty positive and balanced
 in its view of him, but it wasn't the party line 
 so I guess some people got threatened by that.  
 
 So a little inaccessibility is not a bad idea. At 
 the same time, you don't want to allow these 
 assholes to silence you. That, after all, is what 
 they're trying to do.
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
   premanandpaul@ wrote:
   
'so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi!'
   
   That's a *threat*??
   
   Come on, Paul.
   
   I think you just wanted to hold this doofus
   up to ridicule.
   
   (Not that he doesn't deserve it...but a threat?
   Give us a break!)
   


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
 premanandpaul@ wrote:
 
  Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. He sent in 
   response 
to 
  my suggestion that he is obsessed with gods, gurus and 
self 
worth, 
  and that he has made a guru out of his idol (MMY), which 
was 
  incorrect because Guru Dev expressly condemned anyone 
other 
   than 
  brahmanas to be gurus (hence the quote about gurus, I just
  translated it to clear up that point for him). 
  His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
therefore
  I thought it best to make his rant more public.
 
 You mean, his threat not to give you any more
 knowledge?  Seemed pretty explicit to me...
 
 snip
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
   premanandpaul@ wrote:
   
Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! 
 
You are arguing like some silly child from the 
  kindergarten.
I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't 
understand,
or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my 
Name 
   it 
speak it out Frank(ly)! 
 
Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is:
MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo!
You are polluting the dear  sweet feeling of ours 
  towards 
His 
Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva 
   Incarnate, 
 not 
only myself had that cognition), so watch out for 
your 
  bad 
 Karma, 
   you 
are producing) Yogi!
 
P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a 
Guru:
Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines 
a 
  man 
 caste, 
   it 
is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which 
  shows 
to 
   what 
class of people he or she belongs!
Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like 
thoughts 
  and 
   do 
not belong to the Golden Age!
 
 
 
It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from 
my 
   side 
 to 
   give 
you further on my attention. If someone discuses from 
the 
   finishing 
class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came 
into 
   the 
  first
Class of elementary school.
I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet 
dangerous 
 to 
feed a snake with milk. 
Next time she will bide you…..
So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from 
the 
church, 
   the 
today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the 
silly 
  men 
from 
   the 
wild bushes in Texas!
 
  
I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money 
you 
 received 
from your silly government, writing such a stupid 
book? I 
told 
   you, 
you are a wolf in disguise!
There is saying:
A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint!
Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class.
The birth never determents someone Vedic caste 
  (heritage), 
   it 
 is 
   his 
inner state of consciousness that 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-31 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@
  wrote:
  
   Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. 
   . . .
   His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
   therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public.
  
  A wise precaution. I've been doing research for 
  a story idea about religious fanatics who are 
  willing to commit serious crimes (including 
  murder) to protect their fanatical ideas of
  what is true and what is not. The more you
  read about the real things that these kinds 
  of real people do in the name of God and 
  religion, the scarier it gets and the more 
  precautions you feel like taking in your life
  if you are perceived by one or more of them 
  as a heretic.
  
  Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism
  didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/
  Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world
  there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands --
  of murders performed in the name of God. It really
  lends credence to the idea that religion is a 
  disease, and that what the world needs is not
  more religion, but an antidote to it.
 
 
 
 I don't disagree that religion is often used as a pretext or excuse 
 for killing and that, indeed, millions have died and suffered 
 through the ages because of it.
 
 However, to keep things in perspective: more people died and 
 suffered in the name of atheism (the state religion of communism) 
 than ever died in the name of religion.



Really? As a percentage of people alive at the time, or are you using raw 
numbers?






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-31 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!





on 8/31/06 7:33 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't think that the TMO and the TB's want to physical kill 
 somebody, because they are very aware of their own Karma (I hope). 
 It is some really crazy people out there. So far, as I know the 
 threats has been on the psychology level. But in the future - when 
 MMY has gone - and some even more material guys is taking over the 
 TMO, and more and more critical questions is coming up, you never 
 know what will happen.
 Ingegerd

The first time Amma came to FF she received three death threats. A spiritual teacher who was planning to come a few months before her received one and changed his plans. Someone recently threatened to kill Shiva Ma for stirring up a fuss about the dome, but that may have just been an empty threat, like children use. A friend of mine who taught TM in India for many years says be regards the Indian TMO as having a mafia-like mentality, and not above killing someone or having them killed.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-31 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
 premanandpaul@
   wrote:
   
Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. 
. . .
His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public.
   
   A wise precaution. I've been doing research for 
   a story idea about religious fanatics who are 
   willing to commit serious crimes (including 
   murder) to protect their fanatical ideas of
   what is true and what is not. The more you
   read about the real things that these kinds 
   of real people do in the name of God and 
   religion, the scarier it gets and the more 
   precautions you feel like taking in your life
   if you are perceived by one or more of them 
   as a heretic.
   
   Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism
   didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/
   Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world
   there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands --
   of murders performed in the name of God. It really
   lends credence to the idea that religion is a 
   disease, and that what the world needs is not
   more religion, but an antidote to it.
  
  
  
  I don't disagree that religion is often used as a pretext or 
 excuse 
  for killing and that, indeed, millions have died and suffered 
  through the ages because of it.
  
  However, to keep things in perspective: more people died and 
  suffered in the name of atheism (the state religion of 
communism) 
  than ever died in the name of religion.
 
 
 True, but communism and nazism were run in much the same way as 
all 
 religions, with powerful figureheads dispensing the truth, true 
 believers, heretics and outsiders etc. It's just human nature to 
 form us  them groups.



Agreed.  But that's why it isn't religion per se that creates these 
problems but ideologies of ANY kind.

Like, say, a blind adherence to the belief that global warming is 
going to destroy all of mankind.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-31 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
premanandpaul@
   wrote:
   
Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. 
. . .
His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public.
   
   A wise precaution. I've been doing research for 
   a story idea about religious fanatics who are 
   willing to commit serious crimes (including 
   murder) to protect their fanatical ideas of
   what is true and what is not. The more you
   read about the real things that these kinds 
   of real people do in the name of God and 
   religion, the scarier it gets and the more 
   precautions you feel like taking in your life
   if you are perceived by one or more of them 
   as a heretic.
   
   Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism
   didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/
   Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world
   there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands --
   of murders performed in the name of God. It really
   lends credence to the idea that religion is a 
   disease, and that what the world needs is not
   more religion, but an antidote to it.
  
  
  
  I don't disagree that religion is often used as a pretext or 
excuse 
  for killing and that, indeed, millions have died and suffered 
  through the ages because of it.
  
  However, to keep things in perspective: more people died and 
  suffered in the name of atheism (the state religion of 
communism) 
  than ever died in the name of religion.
 
 
 
 Really? As a percentage of people alive at the time, or are you 
using raw numbers?



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-31 Thread L B Shriver
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


snip

… Someone recently threatened to kill Shiva Ma for stirring
 up a fuss about the dome, but that may have just been an empty threat, like
 children use. 



As I have been able to piece it together, it was not even like that. It was 
more intended as a 
confrontational shock tactic intended to jolt the exchange into a different 
level. It failed, and 
was probably poorly considered, but the individual who made the threat is, to 
the best of 
my knowledge, no more capable of harming Shiva Ma than you are.

L B S






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-30 Thread curtisdeltablues
That is my favorite post so far this week!  I'm just wondering if
fault apple preparation are covered in the Vedic cook book cuz I
never know what season to eat them.

But more seriously Paul please hook me up with the spy for pay
program.  I think I have been doing the kind of work they obviously
pay for, for free, and it it time to start turning my wolf words (or
is it volf vords?) into cash.  Please advise.

PS if you read the rant in a German accent it is ten times funnier!



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! 
 
 
  
 You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am not 
 giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's brain 
 is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out Frank
 (ly)! 
  
 Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is:
 MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo!
 You are polluting the dear  sweet feeling of ours towards His 
 Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not 
 only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, you 
 are producing) Yogi!
  
 P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru:
 Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, it 
 is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to what 
 class of people he or she belongs!
 Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and do 
 not belong to the Golden Age!
  
  
  
 It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side to give 
 you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the finishing 
 class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the first
 Class of elementary school.
 I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet dangerous to 
 feed a snake with milk. 
 Next time she will bide you…..
 So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, the 
 today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from the 
 wild bushes in Texas!
  
   
 I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you received 
 from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told you, 
 you are a wolf in disguise!
 There is saying:
 A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint!
 Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class.
 The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it is his 
 inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class that person 
 belongs.
 You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you dare to 
 write about His personality!°
 Shame on you!
 I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a so-
 called fault apple in Maharishis Movement, stay away from us!
 Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it be and 
 give it over to my sweet  most cherished Lord Krishna, who was at an 
 earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma).
  
 All Glory to Guru Dewa
 All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
 All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, Cows  
 Vedic Shishyas.
  
  
 Frank W. Lotz
 Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style  
 the Art of Living in accord with the Veda.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-30 Thread Ingegerd
It is amazing how many crazy people is left in the TMO. It is really 
amazing that the TMO does not give out the quotations from GD. But I 
can understand it, because they take away the foundation of MMY. He 
has been putting GD in front of himself through all these years - as 
an alibi. 
I am happy that I am not longer a part of this organisation.
Ingegerd

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! 
 
 
  
 You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am 
not 
 giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's 
brain 
 is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out Frank
 (ly)! 
  
 Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is:
 MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo!
 You are polluting the dear  sweet feeling of ours towards His 
 Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not 
 only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, 
you 
 are producing) Yogi!
  
 P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru:
 Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, 
it 
 is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to 
what 
 class of people he or she belongs!
 Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and 
do 
 not belong to the Golden Age!
  
  
  
 It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side to 
give 
 you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the 
finishing 
 class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the first
 Class of elementary school.
 I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet dangerous to 
 feed a snake with milk. 
 Next time she will bide you…..
 So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, 
the 
 today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from 
the 
 wild bushes in Texas!
  
   
 I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you received 
 from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told 
you, 
 you are a wolf in disguise!
 There is saying:
 A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint!
 Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class.
 The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it is 
his 
 inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class that 
person 
 belongs.
 You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you dare to 
 write about His personality!°
 Shame on you!
 I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a so-
 called fault apple in Maharishis Movement, stay away from us!
 Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it be and 
 give it over to my sweet  most cherished Lord Krishna, who was at 
an 
 earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma).
  
 All Glory to Guru Dewa
 All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
 All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, Cows  
 Vedic Shishyas.
  
  
 Frank W. Lotz
 Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style  
 the Art of Living in accord with the Veda.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-30 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That is my favorite post so far this week!  I'm just wondering if
 fault apple preparation are covered in the Vedic cook book cuz I
 never know what season to eat them.
 
 But more seriously Paul please hook me up with the spy for pay
 program.  I think I have been doing the kind of work they obviously
 pay for, for free, and it it time to start turning my wolf words (or
 is it volf vords?) into cash.  Please advise.
 
 PS if you read the rant in a German accent it is ten times funnier!

Imagining the guy wearing Raja's robes and a crown
while saying it doesn't hurt either.  :-)


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@
 wrote:
 
  Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! 
  
  
   
  You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am not 
  giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's brain 
  is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out Frank
  (ly)! 
   
  Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is:
  MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo!
  You are polluting the dear  sweet feeling of ours towards His 
  Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not 
  only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, you 
  are producing) Yogi!
   
  P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru:
  Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, it 
  is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to what 
  class of people he or she belongs!
  Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and do 
  not belong to the Golden Age!
   
   
   
  It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side to give 
  you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the finishing 
  class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the first
  Class of elementary school.
  I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet dangerous to 
  feed a snake with milk. 
  Next time she will bide you…..
  So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, the 
  today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from the 
  wild bushes in Texas!
   

  I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you received 
  from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told you, 
  you are a wolf in disguise!
  There is saying:
  A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint!
  Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class.
  The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it is his 
  inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class that person 
  belongs.
  You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you dare to 
  write about His personality!°
  Shame on you!
  I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a so-
  called fault apple in Maharishis Movement, stay away from us!
  Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it be and 
  give it over to my sweet  most cherished Lord Krishna, who was at an 
  earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma).
   
  All Glory to Guru Dewa
  All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
  All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, Cows  
  Vedic Shishyas.
   
   
  Frank W. Lotz
  Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style  
  the Art of Living in accord with the Veda.
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-30 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 That is my favorite post so far this week!  I'm just wondering if
 fault apple preparation are covered in the Vedic cook book cuz I
 never know what season to eat them.
 
 But more seriously Paul please hook me up with the spy for pay
 program.  I think I have been doing the kind of work they obviously
 pay for, for free, and it it time to start turning my wolf words (or
 is it volf vords?) into cash.  Please advise.
 
 PS if you read the rant in a German accent it is ten times funnier!


Ve haf vays of making think your mantra innocently!


An old TM teacher friend of mine once told me the story that MMY was keeping 
the 
German contingent of TM teachers very close to him at some course or another 
and that 
everyone was remarking on the favoritism. She finally had a chance to ask him 
why, was it 
because he really liked them? 

His answer was basically, Heavens no! I'm trying to keep an eye on them.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-30 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! 
 
 
  
 You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am not 
 giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's brain 
 is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out Frank
 (ly)! 
  
 Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is:
 MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo!
 You are polluting the dear  sweet feeling of ours towards His 
 Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not 
 only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, you 
 are producing) Yogi!
  
 P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru:
 Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, it 
 is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to what 
 class of people he or she belongs!
 Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and do 
 not belong to the Golden Age!
  

This is the kind of rabid TBer who gives rabid TBers a bad name...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It is amazing how many crazy people is left in the TMO. It is 
 really amazing that the TMO does not give out the quotations from 
 GD. But I can understand it, because they take away the foundation 
 of MMY. He has been putting GD in front of himself through all 
 these years - as an alibi.

Pathological.



 I am happy that I am not longer a part of this organisation.
 Ingegerd








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-30 Thread Peter


--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! 
  
  
   
  You are arguing like some silly child from the
 kindergarten. I am not 
  giving knowledge out to someone, who can't
 understand, or who's brain 
  is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it
 speak it out Frank
  (ly)! 
   
  Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group
 is:
  MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo!
  You are polluting the dear  sweet feeling of ours
 towards His 
  Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva
 Incarnate, not 
  only myself had that cognition), so watch out for
 your bad Karma, you 
  are producing) Yogi!
   
  P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a
 Guru:
  Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna
 determines a man caste, it 
  is his inner state of developed consciousness,
 ´which shows to what 
  class of people he or she belongs!
  Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga
 like thoughts and do 
  not belong to the Golden Age!
   
 
 This is the kind of rabid TBer who gives rabid TBers
 a bad name...

That's funny, sparaig. I'm sure you'd even tell this
guy to sit down and perhaps get checked!



 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-30 Thread Peter


--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  That is my favorite post so far this week!  I'm
 just wondering if
  fault apple preparation are covered in the Vedic
 cook book cuz I
  never know what season to eat them.
  
  But more seriously Paul please hook me up with the
 spy for pay
  program.  I think I have been doing the kind of
 work they obviously
  pay for, for free, and it it time to start turning
 my wolf words (or
  is it volf vords?) into cash.  Please advise.
  
  PS if you read the rant in a German accent it is
 ten times funnier!
 
 
 Ve haf vays of making think your mantra innocently!
 
 
 An old TM teacher friend of mine once told me the
 story that MMY was keeping the 
 German contingent of TM teachers very close to him
 at some course or another and that 
 everyone was remarking on the favoritism. She
 finally had a chance to ask him why, was it 
 because he really liked them? 
 
 His answer was basically, Heavens no! I'm trying to
 keep an eye on them.

Remember WIMS on International Staff? Man, incarnate
Nazis, no joke!




 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-30 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I know Frank from old times, he is a sweet guy, but easily goes over
the top.

 PS if you read the rant in a German accent it is ten times funnier!

No need to warm up nationalistic sentiments ;/






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-30 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason
  premanandpaul@ wrote:
  
   Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! 
   
   

   You are arguing like some silly child from the
  kindergarten. I am not 
   giving knowledge out to someone, who can't
  understand, or who's brain 
   is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it
  speak it out Frank
   (ly)! 

   Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group
  is:
   MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo!
   You are polluting the dear  sweet feeling of ours
  towards His 
   Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva
  Incarnate, not 
   only myself had that cognition), so watch out for
  your bad Karma, you 
   are producing) Yogi!

   P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a
  Guru:
   Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna
  determines a man caste, it 
   is his inner state of developed consciousness,
  ´which shows to what 
   class of people he or she belongs!
   Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga
  like thoughts and do 
   not belong to the Golden Age!

  
  This is the kind of rabid TBer who gives rabid TBers
  a bad name...
 
 That's funny, sparaig. I'm sure you'd even tell this
 guy to sit down and perhaps get checked!
 
 


Actually, yeah.

I recall once being on a bus talking to a Spansih (?) sidha-cutie about a video 
we'd both 
seen where MMY was ripping everyone a new one for putting on airs pretending to 
be 
Hindu and how that was detracting rom his success at spreading TM. We were 
comisserating with each other about how bliss-ninny the whole thing was getting 
(mid-80s) when a German-sounding fellow interupted us with I don't believe it.

I asked, Which, that MMY was upset, or that he made a tape or what? And he said 
any of 
it--MMY would never say such things.

She and I looked at each other and sighed...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-30 Thread curtisdeltablues
She and I looked at each other and sighed...

Total buying signal!



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason
   premanandpaul@ wrote:
   
Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! 


 
You are arguing like some silly child from the
   kindergarten. I am not 
giving knowledge out to someone, who can't
   understand, or who's brain 
is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it
   speak it out Frank
(ly)! 
 
Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group
   is:
MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo!
You are polluting the dear  sweet feeling of ours
   towards His 
Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva
   Incarnate, not 
only myself had that cognition), so watch out for
   your bad Karma, you 
are producing) Yogi!
 
P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a
   Guru:
Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna
   determines a man caste, it 
is his inner state of developed consciousness,
   ´which shows to what 
class of people he or she belongs!
Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga
   like thoughts and do 
not belong to the Golden Age!
 
   
   This is the kind of rabid TBer who gives rabid TBers
   a bad name...
  
  That's funny, sparaig. I'm sure you'd even tell this
  guy to sit down and perhaps get checked!
  
  
 
 
 Actually, yeah.
 
 I recall once being on a bus talking to a Spansih (?) sidha-cutie
about a video we'd both 
 seen where MMY was ripping everyone a new one for putting on airs
pretending to be 
 Hindu and how that was detracting rom his success at spreading TM.
We were 
 comisserating with each other about how bliss-ninny the whole thing
was getting 
 (mid-80s) when a German-sounding fellow interupted us with I don't
believe it.
 
 I asked, Which, that MMY was upset, or that he made a tape or what?
And he said any of 
 it--MMY would never say such things.
 
 She and I looked at each other and sighed...








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-30 Thread geezerfreak
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-30 Thread Paul Mason
Ba!
(Actually, I told him I thought he was obsessed with gods, gurus and 
with his own self worth.)



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Frank. Thank you for the lovely turd. I'm sure you
 feel better now and your bowels are flowing freely in
 the true dharma. FFL the toilet bowl of true
 believers!
 
 P.S. I still don't know what Paul said that was so
 awful. Whatever it was , it was a serious thought
 crime, that we know.
 
 --- Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! 
  
  
   
  You are arguing like some silly child from the
  kindergarten. I am not 
  giving knowledge out to someone, who can't
  understand, or who's brain 
  is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak
  it out Frank
  (ly)! 
   
  Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group
  is:
  MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo!
  You are polluting the dear  sweet feeling of ours
  towards His 
  Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva
  Incarnate, not 
  only myself had that cognition), so watch out for
  your bad Karma, you 
  are producing) Yogi!
   
  P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a
  Guru:
  Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines
  a man caste, it 
  is his inner state of developed consciousness,
  ´which shows to what 
  class of people he or she belongs!
  Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga
  like thoughts and do 
  not belong to the Golden Age!
   
   
   
  It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid
  from my side to give 
  you further on my attention. If someone discuses
  from the finishing 
  class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came
  into the first
  Class of elementary school.
  I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet
  dangerous to 
  feed a snake with milk. 
  Next time she will bide you…..
  So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from
  the church, the 
  today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the
  silly men from the 
  wild bushes in Texas!
   

  I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money
  you received 
  from your silly government, writing such a stupid
  book? I told you, 
  you are a wolf in disguise!
  There is saying:
  A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint!
  Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class.
  The birth never determents someone Vedic caste
  (heritage), it is his 
  inner state of consciousness that shows up to which
  class that person 
  belongs.
  You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi
  and you dare to 
  write about His personality!°
  Shame on you!
  I am not misusing my precious time any more on you!
  You are a so-
  called fault apple in Maharishis Movement, stay
  away from us!
  Now I have written enough about this silly thing and
  let it be and 
  give it over to my sweet  most cherished Lord
  Krishna, who was at an 
  earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma).
   
  All Glory to Guru Dewa
  All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
  All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of
  Dharma, Cows  
  Vedic Shishyas.
   
   
  Frank W. Lotz
  Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking
  Style  
  the Art of Living in accord with the Veda.
  
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-30 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-30 Thread Peter


--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 She and I looked at each other and sighed...

Her eyes held a special siddha spark, that secret
shakti of someone regularly on-the-program. The gentle
scent of her pita-kapha body type ayurvedic soap
suddenly flooded my nostrils and I thought, Purusha?
What's that? 




 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-30 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 She and I looked at each other and sighed...
 
 Total buying signal!
 
 

Did  mention I was well-known for missing come get me signals from women?

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
  
   
   
   --- sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason
premanandpaul@ wrote:

 Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! 
 
 
  
 You are arguing like some silly child from the
kindergarten. I am not 
 giving knowledge out to someone, who can't
understand, or who's brain 
 is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it
speak it out Frank
 (ly)! 
  
 Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group
is:
 MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo!
 You are polluting the dear  sweet feeling of ours
towards His 
 Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva
Incarnate, not 
 only myself had that cognition), so watch out for
your bad Karma, you 
 are producing) Yogi!
  
 P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a
Guru:
 Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna
determines a man caste, it 
 is his inner state of developed consciousness,
´which shows to what 
 class of people he or she belongs!
 Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga
like thoughts and do 
 not belong to the Golden Age!
  

This is the kind of rabid TBer who gives rabid TBers
a bad name...
   
   That's funny, sparaig. I'm sure you'd even tell this
   guy to sit down and perhaps get checked!
   
   
  
  
  Actually, yeah.
  
  I recall once being on a bus talking to a Spansih (?) sidha-cutie
 about a video we'd both 
  seen where MMY was ripping everyone a new one for putting on airs
 pretending to be 
  Hindu and how that was detracting rom his success at spreading TM.
 We were 
  comisserating with each other about how bliss-ninny the whole thing
 was getting 
  (mid-80s) when a German-sounding fellow interupted us with I don't
 believe it.
  
  I asked, Which, that MMY was upset, or that he made a tape or what?
 And he said any of 
  it--MMY would never say such things.
  
  She and I looked at each other and sighed...
 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-30 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  She and I looked at each other and sighed...
 
 Her eyes held a special siddha spark, that secret
 shakti of someone regularly on-the-program. The gentle
 scent of her pita-kapha body type ayurvedic soap
 suddenly flooded my nostrils and I thought, Purusha?
 What's that? 

Was definitely non-celebate at that time...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!

2006-08-30 Thread shempmcgurk
I am confused.

Who is calling Paul a wolf in disguise?

The first several paragraphs are not attributed to anyone so at 
first glance it appears that Paul wrote it himself...but that 
doesn't make sense...so what's going on here?




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! 
 
 
  
 You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am 
not 
 giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's 
brain 
 is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out Frank
 (ly)! 
  
 Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is:
 MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo!
 You are polluting the dear  sweet feeling of ours towards His 
 Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not 
 only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, 
you 
 are producing) Yogi!
  
 P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru:
 Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, 
it 
 is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to 
what 
 class of people he or she belongs!
 Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and 
do 
 not belong to the Golden Age!
  
  
  
 It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side to 
give 
 you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the 
finishing 
 class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the first
 Class of elementary school.
 I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet dangerous to 
 feed a snake with milk. 
 Next time she will bide you…..
 So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, 
the 
 today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from 
the 
 wild bushes in Texas!
  
   
 I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you received 
 from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told 
you, 
 you are a wolf in disguise!
 There is saying:
 A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint!
 Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class.
 The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it is 
his 
 inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class that 
person 
 belongs.
 You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you dare to 
 write about His personality!°
 Shame on you!
 I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a so-
 called fault apple in Maharishis Movement, stay away from us!
 Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it be and 
 give it over to my sweet  most cherished Lord Krishna, who was at 
an 
 earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma).
  
 All Glory to Guru Dewa
 All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
 All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, Cows  
 Vedic Shishyas.
  
  
 Frank W. Lotz
 Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style  
 the Art of Living in accord with the Veda.








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