[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-09-01 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" 
 
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > PS to Barry, no, I am not talking about Jim here- this is 
> > > > specifically straight from the Brahmananda Saraswati 
frequency.
> > > > Even Jim on a good day cannot compare with Brahmananda 
> > > > Saraswati with regards to His power and purity.
> > > 
> > > Not *even Jim* can compare with Guru Dev??  Wow!
> > >
> > Hi- did what I said sound pompous?
> 
> I'm not sure "pompous" is quite the word I'd use,
> but it was a little startling, yes.  ;-)
> 
>  Just a misunderstanding. Context is 
> > everything...Barry had made an earlier remark about me 
attributing 
> > something about Maharishi instead being just a good experience I
> > was having personally- So I was just clarifying here that I was 
> > specifically sharing what I know of Guru Dev and that it wasn't 
me.
> 
> I figured.  Just twitting you a little.
>
That's fine- yeah I am absolutely clear who is who when I write 
stuff...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-09-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > PS to Barry, no, I am not talking about Jim here- this is 
> > > specifically straight from the Brahmananda Saraswati frequency.
> > > Even Jim on a good day cannot compare with Brahmananda 
> > > Saraswati with regards to His power and purity.
> > 
> > Not *even Jim* can compare with Guru Dev??  Wow!
> >
> Hi- did what I said sound pompous?

I'm not sure "pompous" is quite the word I'd use,
but it was a little startling, yes.  ;-)

 Just a misunderstanding. Context is 
> everything...Barry had made an earlier remark about me attributing 
> something about Maharishi instead being just a good experience I
> was having personally- So I was just clarifying here that I was 
> specifically sharing what I know of Guru Dev and that it wasn't me.

I figured.  Just twitting you a little.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-09-01 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> wrote:
> 
> > PS to Barry, no, I am not talking about Jim here- this is 
> > specifically straight from the Brahmananda Saraswati frequency. 
Even 
> > Jim on a good day cannot compare with Brahmananda Saraswati with 
> > regards to His power and purity.
> 
> Not *even Jim* can compare with Guru Dev??  Wow!
>
Hi- did what I said sound pompous? Just a misunderstanding. Context is 
everything...Barry had made an earlier remark about me attributing 
something about Maharishi instead being just a good experience I was 
having personally- So I was just clarifying here that I was 
specifically sharing what I know of Guru Dev and that it wasn't me. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-09-01 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
>  wrote:
> >
> > The growing mafia-like mentality was in my mind, but I did 
> > dare to write it. it is scaring.
> > Ingegerd
> 
> You think it's scary now?  Just wait until Maharishi 
> dies. Based on the pattern of what happens in almost
> all spiritual movements when the leader they've placed 
> on a pedestal dies, it'll get worse...MUCH worse.

That is what I am afraid of.
Ingegerd
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  
wrote:
> > >
> > > on 8/31/06 7:33 AM, Ingegerd at marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
> > > 
> > > >> > I don't think that the TMO and the TB's want to physical 
kill
> > > >> > somebody, because they are very aware of their own Karma 
(I 
> > hope).
> > > >> > It is some really crazy people out there. So far, as I 
know 
> > the
> > > >> > threats has been on the psychology level. But in the 
future - 
> > when
> > > >> > MMY has gone - and some even more material guys is taking 
> > over the
> > > >> > TMO, and more and more critical questions is coming up, 
you 
> > never
> > > >> > know what will happen.
> > > >> > Ingegerd
> > > > 
> > > The first time Amma came to FF she received three death 
threats. A 
> > spiritual
> > > teacher who was planning to come a few months before her 
received 
> > one and
> > > changed his plans. Someone recently threatened to kill Shiva 
Ma 
> > for stirring
> > > up a fuss about the dome, but that may have just been an empty 
> > threat, like
> > > children use. A friend of mine who taught TM in India for many 
> > years says be
> > > regards the Indian TMO as having a mafia-like mentality, and 
not 
> > above
> > > killing someone or having them killed.
> > >
> >
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-09-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> PS to Barry, no, I am not talking about Jim here- this is 
> specifically straight from the Brahmananda Saraswati frequency. Even 
> Jim on a good day cannot compare with Brahmananda Saraswati with 
> regards to His power and purity.

Not *even Jim* can compare with Guru Dev??  Wow!







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-09-01 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> PS to Barry, no, I am not talking about Jim here- this is 
> specifically straight from the Brahmananda Saraswati frequency. Even 
> Jim on a good day cannot compare with Brahmananda Saraswati with 
> regards to His power and purity.

PS to Jim. 

As much as I like you, I probably consider your 
own ideas of what is true and what is not a great
deal more valid than I would consider ideas that 
you think come straight from a guy who has been 
dead for over 50 years. :-)








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-09-01 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Paul posted a quote from Guru Dev that made
> it clear that Maharishi would never have been
> allowed to teach and have disciples within 
> the tradition that Guru Dev represented. You 
> can imagine how well that went down with a 
> fanatical TB. :-)

I read the quote from Brahmananda Saraswati, Guru Dev, and then the 
following comments. The world has changed a great deal since Guru 
Dev's time. What He said was said in the context of those around 
Him, and Indian culture. And it was perfect- for THAT time and place.

To somehow then say it applies now, or even that it applies by 
extension to Maharishi is faulty logic. 

All Guru Dev wants is the rapid increase of Sattva, through the 
transformation of Tamas, universally. Nothing more and nothing less. 
He strongly radiates It. There are NO boundaries to His knowledge.

PS to Barry, no, I am not talking about Jim here- this is 
specifically straight from the Brahmananda Saraswati frequency. Even 
Jim on a good day cannot compare with Brahmananda Saraswati with 
regards to His power and purity.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-09-01 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The growing mafia-like mentality was in my mind, but I did 
> dare to write it. it is scaring.
> Ingegerd

You think it's scary now?  Just wait until Maharishi 
dies. Based on the pattern of what happens in almost
all spiritual movements when the leader they've placed 
on a pedestal dies, it'll get worse...MUCH worse.


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> >
> > on 8/31/06 7:33 AM, Ingegerd at marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
> > 
> > >> > I don't think that the TMO and the TB's want to physical kill
> > >> > somebody, because they are very aware of their own Karma (I 
> hope).
> > >> > It is some really crazy people out there. So far, as I know 
> the
> > >> > threats has been on the psychology level. But in the future - 
> when
> > >> > MMY has gone - and some even more material guys is taking 
> over the
> > >> > TMO, and more and more critical questions is coming up, you 
> never
> > >> > know what will happen.
> > >> > Ingegerd
> > > 
> > The first time Amma came to FF she received three death threats. A 
> spiritual
> > teacher who was planning to come a few months before her received 
> one and
> > changed his plans. Someone recently threatened to kill Shiva Ma 
> for stirring
> > up a fuss about the dome, but that may have just been an empty 
> threat, like
> > children use. A friend of mine who taught TM in India for many 
> years says be
> > regards the Indian TMO as having a mafia-like mentality, and not 
> above
> > killing someone or having them killed.
> >
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-09-01 Thread Ingegerd
The growing mafia-like mentality was in my mind, but I did dare to 
write it. it is scaring.
Ingegerd

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 8/31/06 7:33 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >> > I don't think that the TMO and the TB's want to physical kill
> >> > somebody, because they are very aware of their own Karma (I 
hope).
> >> > It is some really crazy people out there. So far, as I know 
the
> >> > threats has been on the psychology level. But in the future - 
when
> >> > MMY has gone - and some even more material guys is taking 
over the
> >> > TMO, and more and more critical questions is coming up, you 
never
> >> > know what will happen.
> >> > Ingegerd
> > 
> The first time Amma came to FF she received three death threats. A 
spiritual
> teacher who was planning to come a few months before her received 
one and
> changed his plans. Someone recently threatened to kill Shiva Ma 
for stirring
> up a fuss about the dome, but that may have just been an empty 
threat, like
> children use. A friend of mine who taught TM in India for many 
years says be
> regards the Indian TMO as having a mafia-like mentality, and not 
above
> killing someone or having them killed.
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-31 Thread L B Shriver
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


snip

… Someone recently threatened to kill Shiva Ma for stirring
> up a fuss about the dome, but that may have just been an empty threat, like
> children use. 



As I have been able to piece it together, it was not even like that. It was 
more intended as a 
confrontational shock tactic intended to jolt the exchange into a different 
level. It failed, and 
was probably poorly considered, but the individual who made the "threat" is, to 
the best of 
my knowledge, no more capable of harming Shiva Ma than you are.

L B S






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-31 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 

> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. 
> > > > . . .
> > > > His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
> > > > therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public.
> > > 
> > > A wise precaution. I've been doing research for 
> > > a story idea about religious fanatics who are 
> > > willing to commit serious crimes (including 
> > > murder) to "protect" their fanatical ideas of
> > > what is "true" and what is not. The more you
> > > read about the real things that these kinds 
> > > of real people do in the name of God and 
> > > religion, the scarier it gets and the more 
> > > precautions you feel like taking in your life
> > > if you are perceived by one or more of them 
> > > as a "heretic."
> > > 
> > > Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism
> > > didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/
> > > Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world
> > > there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands --
> > > of murders performed in the name of God. It really
> > > lends credence to the idea that religion is a 
> > > disease, and that what the world needs is not
> > > more religion, but an antidote to it.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I don't disagree that religion is often used as a pretext or 
excuse 
> > for killing and that, indeed, millions have died and suffered 
> > through the ages because of it.
> > 
> > However, to keep things in perspective: more people died and 
> > suffered in the name of atheism (the state religion of 
communism) 
> > than ever died in the name of religion.
> >
> 
> 
> Really? As a percentage of people alive at the time, or are you 
using raw numbers?
>


raw numbers.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-31 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. 
> > > > . . .
> > > > His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
> > > > therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public.
> > > 
> > > A wise precaution. I've been doing research for 
> > > a story idea about religious fanatics who are 
> > > willing to commit serious crimes (including 
> > > murder) to "protect" their fanatical ideas of
> > > what is "true" and what is not. The more you
> > > read about the real things that these kinds 
> > > of real people do in the name of God and 
> > > religion, the scarier it gets and the more 
> > > precautions you feel like taking in your life
> > > if you are perceived by one or more of them 
> > > as a "heretic."
> > > 
> > > Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism
> > > didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/
> > > Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world
> > > there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands --
> > > of murders performed in the name of God. It really
> > > lends credence to the idea that religion is a 
> > > disease, and that what the world needs is not
> > > more religion, but an antidote to it.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I don't disagree that religion is often used as a pretext or 
> excuse 
> > for killing and that, indeed, millions have died and suffered 
> > through the ages because of it.
> > 
> > However, to keep things in perspective: more people died and 
> > suffered in the name of atheism (the state religion of 
communism) 
> > than ever died in the name of religion.
> >
> 
> True, but communism and nazism were run in much the same way as 
all 
> religions, with powerful figureheads dispensing the "truth", true 
> believers, heretics and outsiders etc. It's just human nature to 
> form us & them groups.



Agreed.  But that's why it isn't religion per se that creates these 
problems but ideologies of ANY kind.

Like, say, a blind adherence to the belief that global warming is 
going to destroy all of mankind.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-31 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!





on 8/31/06 7:33 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I don't think that the TMO and the TB's want to physical kill 
> somebody, because they are very aware of their own Karma (I hope). 
> It is some really crazy people out there. So far, as I know the 
> threats has been on the psychology level. But in the future - when 
> MMY has gone - and some even more material guys is taking over the 
> TMO, and more and more critical questions is coming up, you never 
> know what will happen.
> Ingegerd

The first time Amma came to FF she received three death threats. A spiritual teacher who was planning to come a few months before her received one and changed his plans. Someone recently threatened to kill Shiva Ma for stirring up a fuss about the dome, but that may have just been an empty threat, like children use. A friend of mine who taught TM in India for many years says be regards the Indian TMO as having a mafia-like mentality, and not above killing someone or having them killed.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-31 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. 
> > > . . .
> > > His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
> > > therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public.
> > 
> > A wise precaution. I've been doing research for 
> > a story idea about religious fanatics who are 
> > willing to commit serious crimes (including 
> > murder) to "protect" their fanatical ideas of
> > what is "true" and what is not. The more you
> > read about the real things that these kinds 
> > of real people do in the name of God and 
> > religion, the scarier it gets and the more 
> > precautions you feel like taking in your life
> > if you are perceived by one or more of them 
> > as a "heretic."
> > 
> > Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism
> > didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/
> > Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world
> > there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands --
> > of murders performed in the name of God. It really
> > lends credence to the idea that religion is a 
> > disease, and that what the world needs is not
> > more religion, but an antidote to it.
> 
> 
> 
> I don't disagree that religion is often used as a pretext or excuse 
> for killing and that, indeed, millions have died and suffered 
> through the ages because of it.
> 
> However, to keep things in perspective: more people died and 
> suffered in the name of atheism (the state religion of communism) 
> than ever died in the name of religion.
>


Really? As a percentage of people alive at the time, or are you using raw 
numbers?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-31 Thread Paul Mason
For more research material:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Maharishi_Mahesh_Yogi/

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> wrote:
> >
> > There you go again, doing a second take on my motives.
> > I turned down a tour of radio stations in the States  
> > because of my concern about fanatics.
> 
> I completely understand, Paul. In the time since I
> wrote Road Trip Mind, my car has been trashed (set 
> on fire during the night), a brick wrapped in a 
> piece of paper that had "Wake up...time to die"
> written on it was thrown through my front window, 
> and numerous attempts were made to get me fired 
> from my work contracts in the US. As far as I can 
> tell, all of this was done by a couple of super-
> fanatical Rama students who were not happy with 
> what I wrote about him. 
> 
> Go figure. I mean, go fucking figure. From my side,
> I thought my book was pretty positive and balanced
> in its view of him, but it wasn't the "party line" 
> so I guess some people got threatened by that.  
> 
> So a little inaccessibility is not a bad idea. At 
> the same time, you don't want to allow these 
> assholes to silence you. That, after all, is what 
> they're trying to do.
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 'so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi!'
> > > 
> > > That's a *threat*??
> > > 
> > > Come on, Paul.
> > > 
> > > I think you just wanted to hold this doofus
> > > up to ridicule.
> > > 
> > > (Not that he doesn't deserve it...but a threat?
> > > Give us a break!)
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. He sent in 
> > > response 
> > > > to 
> > > > > > my suggestion that he is obsessed with gods, gurus and 
self 
> > > > worth, 
> > > > > > and that he has made a guru out of his idol (MMY), which 
was 
> > > > > > incorrect because Guru Dev expressly condemned anyone 
other 
> > > than 
> > > > > > brahmanas to be gurus (hence the quote about gurus, I just
> > > > > > translated it to clear up that point for him). 
> > > > > > His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
> > > > therefore
> > > > > > I thought it best to make his rant more public.
> > > > > 
> > > > > You mean, his threat not to give you any more
> > > > > knowledge?  Seemed pretty explicit to me...
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?! 
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > You are arguing like some silly child from the 
> > kindergarten.
> > > > > > > > I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't 
> > > > understand,
> > > > > > > > or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my 
Name 
> > > it 
> > > > > > > > speak it out "Frank(ly)! 
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is:
> > > > > > > > MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from "yahoo!
> > > > > > > > You are polluting the dear & sweet feeling of ours 
> > towards 
> > > > His 
> > > > > > > > Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva 
> > > Incarnate, 
> > > > > not 
> > > > > > > > only myself had that cognition), so watch out for 
your 
> > bad 
> > > > > Karma, 
> > > > > > > you 
> > > > > > > > are producing) Yogi!
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a 
Guru:
> > > > > > > > Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines 
a 
> > man 
> > > > > caste, 
> > > > > > > it 
> > > > > > > > is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which 
> > shows 
> > > > to 
> > > > > > > what 
> > > > > > > > class of people he or she belongs!
> > > > > > > > Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like 
> > > > thoughts 
> > > > > > and 
> > > > > > > do 
> > > > > > > > not belong to the Golden Age!
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from 
my 
> > > side 
> > > > > to 
> > > > > > > give 
> > > > > > > > you further on my attention. If someone discuses from 
the 
> > > > > > > finishing 
> > > > > > > > class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came 
into 
> > > the 
> > > > > > first
> > > > > > > > Class of elementary school.
> > > > > > > > I want give you any more "milk", because it is quiet 
> > > > dangerous 
> > > > > to 
> > > > > > > > feed a snake with milk. 
> > > > > > > > Next time she will bide you…..
> > > > > > > > So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from 
the 
> > > > church, 
> > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > today's presidents like your stupid Blair or 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
"tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Barry writes: clipped
> > Every year around the world
> > there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands --
> > of murders performed in the name of God. It really
> > lends credence to the idea that religion is a 
> > disease, and that what the world needs is not
> > more religion, but an antidote to it.
> 
> Judy writes:
> Religion isn't a disease, it's an excuse.
> 
> Tom T;
> Actually it appears to be an addiction. An addiction is 
> any thought anyone tries to hold as absolutely true. As 
> in, my god is bigger, better than your god.

Or even "god exists" or "god doesn't exist."

The pragmatic bottom line seems to be that if
you meet someone who claims to know "the truth,"
run away as fast as you possibly can. Suppress
your natural tendency to laugh until you're well 
out of range.  :-)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-31 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Barry writes: clipped
 Every year around the world
> there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands --
> of murders performed in the name of God. It really
> lends credence to the idea that religion is a 
> disease, and that what the world needs is not
> more religion, but an antidote to it.

Judy writes:
Religion isn't a disease, it's an excuse.

Tom T;
Actually it appears to be an addiction. An addiction is any thought
anyone tries to hold as absolutely true. As in, my god is bigger,
better than your god.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-31 Thread hugheshugo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 

> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. 
> > > . . .
> > > His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
> > > therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public.
> > 
> > A wise precaution. I've been doing research for 
> > a story idea about religious fanatics who are 
> > willing to commit serious crimes (including 
> > murder) to "protect" their fanatical ideas of
> > what is "true" and what is not. The more you
> > read about the real things that these kinds 
> > of real people do in the name of God and 
> > religion, the scarier it gets and the more 
> > precautions you feel like taking in your life
> > if you are perceived by one or more of them 
> > as a "heretic."
> > 
> > Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism
> > didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/
> > Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world
> > there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands --
> > of murders performed in the name of God. It really
> > lends credence to the idea that religion is a 
> > disease, and that what the world needs is not
> > more religion, but an antidote to it.
> 
> 
> 
> I don't disagree that religion is often used as a pretext or 
excuse 
> for killing and that, indeed, millions have died and suffered 
> through the ages because of it.
> 
> However, to keep things in perspective: more people died and 
> suffered in the name of atheism (the state religion of communism) 
> than ever died in the name of religion.
>

True, but communism and nazism were run in much the same way as all 
religions, with powerful figureheads dispensing the "truth", true 
believers, heretics and outsiders etc. It's just human nature to 
form us & them groups.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-31 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. 
> > . . .
> > His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
> > therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public.
> 
> A wise precaution. I've been doing research for 
> a story idea about religious fanatics who are 
> willing to commit serious crimes (including 
> murder) to "protect" their fanatical ideas of
> what is "true" and what is not. The more you
> read about the real things that these kinds 
> of real people do in the name of God and 
> religion, the scarier it gets and the more 
> precautions you feel like taking in your life
> if you are perceived by one or more of them 
> as a "heretic."
> 
> Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism
> didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/
> Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world
> there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands --
> of murders performed in the name of God. It really
> lends credence to the idea that religion is a 
> disease, and that what the world needs is not
> more religion, but an antidote to it.



I don't disagree that religion is often used as a pretext or excuse 
for killing and that, indeed, millions have died and suffered 
through the ages because of it.

However, to keep things in perspective: more people died and 
suffered in the name of atheism (the state religion of communism) 
than ever died in the name of religion.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> There you go again, doing a second take on my motives.
> I turned down a tour of radio stations in the States  
> because of my concern about fanatics.

I completely understand, Paul. In the time since I
wrote Road Trip Mind, my car has been trashed (set 
on fire during the night), a brick wrapped in a 
piece of paper that had "Wake up...time to die"
written on it was thrown through my front window, 
and numerous attempts were made to get me fired 
from my work contracts in the US. As far as I can 
tell, all of this was done by a couple of super-
fanatical Rama students who were not happy with 
what I wrote about him. 

Go figure. I mean, go fucking figure. From my side,
I thought my book was pretty positive and balanced
in its view of him, but it wasn't the "party line" 
so I guess some people got threatened by that.  

So a little inaccessibility is not a bad idea. At 
the same time, you don't want to allow these 
assholes to silence you. That, after all, is what 
they're trying to do.


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > 'so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi!'
> > 
> > That's a *threat*??
> > 
> > Come on, Paul.
> > 
> > I think you just wanted to hold this doofus
> > up to ridicule.
> > 
> > (Not that he doesn't deserve it...but a threat?
> > Give us a break!)
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. He sent in 
> > response 
> > > to 
> > > > > my suggestion that he is obsessed with gods, gurus and self 
> > > worth, 
> > > > > and that he has made a guru out of his idol (MMY), which was 
> > > > > incorrect because Guru Dev expressly condemned anyone other 
> > than 
> > > > > brahmanas to be gurus (hence the quote about gurus, I just
> > > > > translated it to clear up that point for him). 
> > > > > His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
> > > therefore
> > > > > I thought it best to make his rant more public.
> > > > 
> > > > You mean, his threat not to give you any more
> > > > knowledge?  Seemed pretty explicit to me...
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?! 
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > You are arguing like some silly child from the 
> kindergarten.
> > > > > > > I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't 
> > > understand,
> > > > > > > or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name 
> > it 
> > > > > > > speak it out "Frank(ly)! 
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is:
> > > > > > > MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from "yahoo!
> > > > > > > You are polluting the dear & sweet feeling of ours 
> towards 
> > > His 
> > > > > > > Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva 
> > Incarnate, 
> > > > not 
> > > > > > > only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your 
> bad 
> > > > Karma, 
> > > > > > you 
> > > > > > > are producing) Yogi!
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru:
> > > > > > > Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a 
> man 
> > > > caste, 
> > > > > > it 
> > > > > > > is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which 
> shows 
> > > to 
> > > > > > what 
> > > > > > > class of people he or she belongs!
> > > > > > > Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like 
> > > thoughts 
> > > > > and 
> > > > > > do 
> > > > > > > not belong to the Golden Age!
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my 
> > side 
> > > > to 
> > > > > > give 
> > > > > > > you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the 
> > > > > > finishing 
> > > > > > > class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into 
> > the 
> > > > > first
> > > > > > > Class of elementary school.
> > > > > > > I want give you any more "milk", because it is quiet 
> > > dangerous 
> > > > to 
> > > > > > > feed a snake with milk. 
> > > > > > > Next time she will bide you…..
> > > > > > > So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the 
> > > church, 
> > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly 
> men 
> > > from 
> > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > wild bushes in Texas!
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >   
> > > > > > > I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you 
> > > > received 
> > > > > > > from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I 
> > > told 
> > > > > > you, 
> > > > > > > you are a wolf in disguise!
> > > > > > > There is saying:
> > > > > > > "A "saint" can see (recognize

[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> There you go again, doing a second take on my motives.

When the stated motivation doesn't fit the
circumstances, a "second take" seems appropriate.

> I turned down a tour of radio stations in the States because of my 
> concern about fanatics.

Which proves...what, exactly?

>  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > 'so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi!'
> > 
> > That's a *threat*??
> > 
> > Come on, Paul.
> > 
> > I think you just wanted to hold this doofus
> > up to ridicule.
> > 
> > (Not that he doesn't deserve it...but a threat?
> > Give us a break!)
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. He sent in 
> > response 
> > > to 
> > > > > my suggestion that he is obsessed with gods, gurus and self 
> > > worth, 
> > > > > and that he has made a guru out of his idol (MMY), which 
was 
> > > > > incorrect because Guru Dev expressly condemned anyone other 
> > than 
> > > > > brahmanas to be gurus (hence the quote about gurus, I just
> > > > > translated it to clear up that point for him). 
> > > > > His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
> > > therefore
> > > > > I thought it best to make his rant more public.
> > > > 
> > > > You mean, his threat not to give you any more
> > > > knowledge?  Seemed pretty explicit to me...
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?! 
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > You are arguing like some silly child from the 
> kindergarten.
> > > > > > > I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't 
> > > understand,
> > > > > > > or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my 
Name 
> > it 
> > > > > > > speak it out "Frank(ly)! 
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is:
> > > > > > > MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from "yahoo!
> > > > > > > You are polluting the dear & sweet feeling of ours 
> towards 
> > > His 
> > > > > > > Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva 
> > Incarnate, 
> > > > not 
> > > > > > > only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your 
> bad 
> > > > Karma, 
> > > > > > you 
> > > > > > > are producing) Yogi!
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru:
> > > > > > > Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a 
> man 
> > > > caste, 
> > > > > > it 
> > > > > > > is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which 
> shows 
> > > to 
> > > > > > what 
> > > > > > > class of people he or she belongs!
> > > > > > > Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like 
> > > thoughts 
> > > > > and 
> > > > > > do 
> > > > > > > not belong to the Golden Age!
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from 
my 
> > side 
> > > > to 
> > > > > > give 
> > > > > > > you further on my attention. If someone discuses from 
the 
> > > > > > finishing 
> > > > > > > class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came 
into 
> > the 
> > > > > first
> > > > > > > Class of elementary school.
> > > > > > > I want give you any more "milk", because it is quiet 
> > > dangerous 
> > > > to 
> > > > > > > feed a snake with milk. 
> > > > > > > Next time she will bide you…..
> > > > > > > So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the 
> > > church, 
> > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly 
> men 
> > > from 
> > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > wild bushes in Texas!
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >   
> > > > > > > I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money 
you 
> > > > received 
> > > > > > > from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? 
I 
> > > told 
> > > > > > you, 
> > > > > > > you are a wolf in disguise!
> > > > > > > There is saying:
> > > > > > > "A "saint" can see (recognize) only a Saint!"
> > > > > > > Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class.
> > > > > > > The birth never determents someone Vedic caste 
> (heritage), 
> > it 
> > > > is 
> > > > > > his 
> > > > > > > inner state of consciousness that shows up to which 
class 
> > > that 
> > > > > > person 
> > > > > > > belongs.
> > > > > > > You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and 
> you 
> > > dare 
> > > > > to 
> > > > > > > write about His personality!°
> > > > > > > Shame on you!
> > > > > > > I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You 
> are 
> > a 
> > > > so-
> > > > > > > called "fault apple" in Maharishis Movement, stay away 
> from 
> > > us!
> > > > > > > Now I have writte

[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I don't think that the TMO and the TB's want to physical 
> kill somebody, because they are very aware of their own 
> Karma (I hope).  

I'm not convinced. I knew people within the TM movement
*and* the Rama trip who were so "gone" and so detached 
from any meaningful definition of reality that they 
would have committed murder in a heartbeat if they had 
been asked to do so by the teacher whom they had placed 
on a pedestal right beside their warped notion of God. 
Fortunately they were never asked to do anything more 
illegal than smuggle money across international borders
or lie to the press. 

They had *no problem* with doing these things. They had
actually managed to convince themselves that they were
accruing "good karma" by breaking the law.

> It is some really crazy people out there.
> So far as I know the 
> threats has been on the psychology level. But in the 
> future - when MMY has gone - and some even more material 
> guys is taking over the TMO, and more and more critical 
> questions is coming up, you never know what will happen.

Exactly why I am writing these kinds of stories. As
Ray Bradbury once put it so well, "I don't try to 
describe the future. I try to prevent it."

One reason I'm still here on FFL is that it provides
me with a lot of great dialog for these stories. If
I had to try to *make up* the way that True Believers
think, I'd probably run out of ideas within a day or
so, but here I get new input material every week.


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. 
> > > . . .
> > > His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
> > > therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public.
> > 
> > A wise precaution. I've been doing research for 
> > a story idea about religious fanatics who are 
> > willing to commit serious crimes (including 
> > murder) to "protect" their fanatical ideas of
> > what is "true" and what is not. The more you
> > read about the real things that these kinds 
> > of real people do in the name of God and 
> > religion, the scarier it gets and the more 
> > precautions you feel like taking in your life
> > if you are perceived by one or more of them 
> > as a "heretic."
> > 
> > Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism
> > didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/
> > Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world
> > there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands --
> > of murders performed in the name of God. It really
> > lends credence to the idea that religion is a 
> > disease, and that what the world needs is not
> > more religion, but an antidote to it.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-31 Thread Paul Mason
There you go again, doing a second take on my motives.
I turned down a tour of radio stations in the States because of my 
concern about fanatics.
 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > 'so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi!'
> 
> That's a *threat*??
> 
> Come on, Paul.
> 
> I think you just wanted to hold this doofus
> up to ridicule.
> 
> (Not that he doesn't deserve it...but a threat?
> Give us a break!)
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. He sent in 
> response 
> > to 
> > > > my suggestion that he is obsessed with gods, gurus and self 
> > worth, 
> > > > and that he has made a guru out of his idol (MMY), which was 
> > > > incorrect because Guru Dev expressly condemned anyone other 
> than 
> > > > brahmanas to be gurus (hence the quote about gurus, I just
> > > > translated it to clear up that point for him). 
> > > > His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
> > therefore
> > > > I thought it best to make his rant more public.
> > > 
> > > You mean, his threat not to give you any more
> > > knowledge?  Seemed pretty explicit to me...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?! 
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > You are arguing like some silly child from the 
kindergarten.
> > > > > > I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't 
> > understand,
> > > > > > or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name 
> it 
> > > > > > speak it out "Frank(ly)! 
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is:
> > > > > > MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from "yahoo!
> > > > > > You are polluting the dear & sweet feeling of ours 
towards 
> > His 
> > > > > > Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva 
> Incarnate, 
> > > not 
> > > > > > only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your 
bad 
> > > Karma, 
> > > > > you 
> > > > > > are producing) Yogi!
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru:
> > > > > > Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a 
man 
> > > caste, 
> > > > > it 
> > > > > > is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which 
shows 
> > to 
> > > > > what 
> > > > > > class of people he or she belongs!
> > > > > > Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like 
> > thoughts 
> > > > and 
> > > > > do 
> > > > > > not belong to the Golden Age!
> > > > > >  
> > > > > >  
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my 
> side 
> > > to 
> > > > > give 
> > > > > > you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the 
> > > > > finishing 
> > > > > > class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into 
> the 
> > > > first
> > > > > > Class of elementary school.
> > > > > > I want give you any more "milk", because it is quiet 
> > dangerous 
> > > to 
> > > > > > feed a snake with milk. 
> > > > > > Next time she will bide you…..
> > > > > > So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the 
> > church, 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly 
men 
> > from 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > wild bushes in Texas!
> > > > > >  
> > > > > >   
> > > > > > I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you 
> > > received 
> > > > > > from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I 
> > told 
> > > > > you, 
> > > > > > you are a wolf in disguise!
> > > > > > There is saying:
> > > > > > "A "saint" can see (recognize) only a Saint!"
> > > > > > Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class.
> > > > > > The birth never determents someone Vedic caste 
(heritage), 
> it 
> > > is 
> > > > > his 
> > > > > > inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class 
> > that 
> > > > > person 
> > > > > > belongs.
> > > > > > You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and 
you 
> > dare 
> > > > to 
> > > > > > write about His personality!°
> > > > > > Shame on you!
> > > > > > I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You 
are 
> a 
> > > so-
> > > > > > called "fault apple" in Maharishis Movement, stay away 
from 
> > us!
> > > > > > Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let 
it 
> > be 
> > > > and 
> > > > > > give it over to my sweet & most cherished Lord Krishna, 
who 
> > was 
> > > > at 
> > > > > an 
> > > > > > earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma).
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > All Glory to Guru Dewa
> > > > > > All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
> > > > > > All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of 
Dharma, 
> > Cows 
> > > & 
> > > > > > Vedic Shishyas.
> > > > > >  
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > Fra

[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. 
> > . . .
> > His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
> > therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public.
> 
> A wise precaution. I've been doing research for 
> a story idea about religious fanatics who are 
> willing to commit serious crimes (including 
> murder) to "protect" their fanatical ideas of
> what is "true" and what is not. The more you
> read about the real things that these kinds 
> of real people do in the name of God and 
> religion, the scarier it gets and the more 
> precautions you feel like taking in your life
> if you are perceived by one or more of them 
> as a "heretic."

Jeez.  And *TMers* are paranoid??




> 
> Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism
> didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/
> Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world
> there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands --
> of murders performed in the name of God. It really
> lends credence to the idea that religion is a 
> disease, and that what the world needs is not
> more religion, but an antidote to it.
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. 
> > . . .
> > His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
> > therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public.
> 
> A wise precaution. I've been doing research for 
> a story idea about religious fanatics who are 
> willing to commit serious crimes (including 
> murder) to "protect" their fanatical ideas of
> what is "true" and what is not. The more you
> read about the real things that these kinds 
> of real people do in the name of God and 
> religion, the scarier it gets and the more 
> precautions you feel like taking in your life
> if you are perceived by one or more of them 
> as a "heretic."
> 
> Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism
> didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/
> Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world
> there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands --
> of murders performed in the name of God. It really
> lends credence to the idea that religion is a 
> disease, and that what the world needs is not
> more religion, but an antidote to it.

Religion isn't a disease, it's an excuse.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 'so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi!'

That's a *threat*??

Come on, Paul.

I think you just wanted to hold this doofus
up to ridicule.

(Not that he doesn't deserve it...but a threat?
Give us a break!)

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. He sent in 
response 
> to 
> > > my suggestion that he is obsessed with gods, gurus and self 
> worth, 
> > > and that he has made a guru out of his idol (MMY), which was 
> > > incorrect because Guru Dev expressly condemned anyone other 
than 
> > > brahmanas to be gurus (hence the quote about gurus, I just
> > > translated it to clear up that point for him). 
> > > His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
> therefore
> > > I thought it best to make his rant more public.
> > 
> > You mean, his threat not to give you any more
> > knowledge?  Seemed pretty explicit to me...
> > 
> > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?! 
> > > > >  
> > > > > You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten.
> > > > > I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't 
> understand,
> > > > > or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name 
it 
> > > > > speak it out "Frank(ly)! 
> > > > >  
> > > > > Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is:
> > > > > MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from "yahoo!
> > > > > You are polluting the dear & sweet feeling of ours towards 
> His 
> > > > > Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva 
Incarnate, 
> > not 
> > > > > only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad 
> > Karma, 
> > > > you 
> > > > > are producing) Yogi!
> > > > >  
> > > > > P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru:
> > > > > Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man 
> > caste, 
> > > > it 
> > > > > is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows 
> to 
> > > > what 
> > > > > class of people he or she belongs!
> > > > > Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like 
> thoughts 
> > > and 
> > > > do 
> > > > > not belong to the Golden Age!
> > > > >  
> > > > >  
> > > > >  
> > > > > It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my 
side 
> > to 
> > > > give 
> > > > > you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the 
> > > > finishing 
> > > > > class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into 
the 
> > > first
> > > > > Class of elementary school.
> > > > > I want give you any more "milk", because it is quiet 
> dangerous 
> > to 
> > > > > feed a snake with milk. 
> > > > > Next time she will bide you…..
> > > > > So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the 
> church, 
> > > > the 
> > > > > today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men 
> from 
> > > > the 
> > > > > wild bushes in Texas!
> > > > >  
> > > > >   
> > > > > I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you 
> > received 
> > > > > from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I 
> told 
> > > > you, 
> > > > > you are a wolf in disguise!
> > > > > There is saying:
> > > > > "A "saint" can see (recognize) only a Saint!"
> > > > > Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class.
> > > > > The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), 
it 
> > is 
> > > > his 
> > > > > inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class 
> that 
> > > > person 
> > > > > belongs.
> > > > > You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you 
> dare 
> > > to 
> > > > > write about His personality!°
> > > > > Shame on you!
> > > > > I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are 
a 
> > so-
> > > > > called "fault apple" in Maharishis Movement, stay away from 
> us!
> > > > > Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it 
> be 
> > > and 
> > > > > give it over to my sweet & most cherished Lord Krishna, who 
> was 
> > > at 
> > > > an 
> > > > > earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma).
> > > > >  
> > > > > All Glory to Guru Dewa
> > > > > All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
> > > > > All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, 
> Cows 
> > & 
> > > > > Vedic Shishyas.
> > > > >  
> > > > >  
> > > > > Frank W. Lotz
> > > > > Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style & 
> > > > > the Art of Living in accord with the Veda.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-31 Thread Ingegerd
I don't think that the TMO and the TB's want to physical kill 
somebody, because they are very aware of their own Karma (I hope). 
It is some really crazy people out there. So far, as I know the 
threats has been on the psychology level. But in the future - when 
MMY has gone - and some even more material guys is taking over the 
TMO, and more and more critical questions is coming up, you never 
know what will happen.
Ingegerd

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. 
> > . . .
> > His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
> > therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public.
> 
> A wise precaution. I've been doing research for 
> a story idea about religious fanatics who are 
> willing to commit serious crimes (including 
> murder) to "protect" their fanatical ideas of
> what is "true" and what is not. The more you
> read about the real things that these kinds 
> of real people do in the name of God and 
> religion, the scarier it gets and the more 
> precautions you feel like taking in your life
> if you are perceived by one or more of them 
> as a "heretic."
> 
> Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism
> didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/
> Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world
> there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands --
> of murders performed in the name of God. It really
> lends credence to the idea that religion is a 
> disease, and that what the world needs is not
> more religion, but an antidote to it.
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-31 Thread Paul Mason
'so watch out for your bad
Karma,
> > you
> > > are producing) Yogi!'


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. He sent in response 
to 
> > my suggestion that he is obsessed with gods, gurus and self 
worth, 
> > and that he has made a guru out of his idol (MMY), which was 
> > incorrect because Guru Dev expressly condemned anyone other than 
> > brahmanas to be gurus (hence the quote about gurus, I just
> > translated it to clear up that point for him). 
> > His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
therefore
> > I thought it best to make his rant more public.
> 
> You mean, his threat not to give you any more
> knowledge?  Seemed pretty explicit to me...
> 
> 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?! 
> > > >  
> > > > You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten.
> > > > I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't 
understand,
> > > > or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it 
> > > > speak it out "Frank(ly)! 
> > > >  
> > > > Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is:
> > > > MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from "yahoo!
> > > > You are polluting the dear & sweet feeling of ours towards 
His 
> > > > Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, 
> not 
> > > > only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad 
> Karma, 
> > > you 
> > > > are producing) Yogi!
> > > >  
> > > > P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru:
> > > > Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man 
> caste, 
> > > it 
> > > > is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows 
to 
> > > what 
> > > > class of people he or she belongs!
> > > > Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like 
thoughts 
> > and 
> > > do 
> > > > not belong to the Golden Age!
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > > It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side 
> to 
> > > give 
> > > > you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the 
> > > finishing 
> > > > class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the 
> > first
> > > > Class of elementary school.
> > > > I want give you any more "milk", because it is quiet 
dangerous 
> to 
> > > > feed a snake with milk. 
> > > > Next time she will bide you…..
> > > > So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the 
church, 
> > > the 
> > > > today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men 
from 
> > > the 
> > > > wild bushes in Texas!
> > > >  
> > > >   
> > > > I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you 
> received 
> > > > from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I 
told 
> > > you, 
> > > > you are a wolf in disguise!
> > > > There is saying:
> > > > "A "saint" can see (recognize) only a Saint!"
> > > > Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class.
> > > > The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it 
> is 
> > > his 
> > > > inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class 
that 
> > > person 
> > > > belongs.
> > > > You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you 
dare 
> > to 
> > > > write about His personality!°
> > > > Shame on you!
> > > > I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a 
> so-
> > > > called "fault apple" in Maharishis Movement, stay away from 
us!
> > > > Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it 
be 
> > and 
> > > > give it over to my sweet & most cherished Lord Krishna, who 
was 
> > at 
> > > an 
> > > > earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma).
> > > >  
> > > > All Glory to Guru Dewa
> > > > All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
> > > > All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, 
Cows 
> & 
> > > > Vedic Shishyas.
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > > Frank W. Lotz
> > > > Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style & 
> > > > the Art of Living in accord with the Veda.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. 
> . . .
> His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, 
> therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public.

A wise precaution. I've been doing research for 
a story idea about religious fanatics who are 
willing to commit serious crimes (including 
murder) to "protect" their fanatical ideas of
what is "true" and what is not. The more you
read about the real things that these kinds 
of real people do in the name of God and 
religion, the scarier it gets and the more 
precautions you feel like taking in your life
if you are perceived by one or more of them 
as a "heretic."

Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism
didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/
Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world
there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands --
of murders performed in the name of God. It really
lends credence to the idea that religion is a 
disease, and that what the world needs is not
more religion, but an antidote to it.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. He sent in response to 
> my suggestion that he is obsessed with gods, gurus and self worth, 
> and that he has made a guru out of his idol (MMY), which was 
> incorrect because Guru Dev expressly condemned anyone other than 
> brahmanas to be gurus (hence the quote about gurus, I just
> translated it to clear up that point for him). 
> His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, therefore
> I thought it best to make his rant more public.

You mean, his threat not to give you any more
knowledge?  Seemed pretty explicit to me...


> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?! 
> > >  
> > > You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten.
> > > I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand,
> > > or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it 
> > > speak it out "Frank(ly)! 
> > >  
> > > Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is:
> > > MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from "yahoo!
> > > You are polluting the dear & sweet feeling of ours towards His 
> > > Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, 
not 
> > > only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad 
Karma, 
> > you 
> > > are producing) Yogi!
> > >  
> > > P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru:
> > > Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man 
caste, 
> > it 
> > > is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to 
> > what 
> > > class of people he or she belongs!
> > > Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts 
> and 
> > do 
> > > not belong to the Golden Age!
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > > It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side 
to 
> > give 
> > > you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the 
> > finishing 
> > > class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the 
> first
> > > Class of elementary school.
> > > I want give you any more "milk", because it is quiet dangerous 
to 
> > > feed a snake with milk. 
> > > Next time she will bide you…..
> > > So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, 
> > the 
> > > today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from 
> > the 
> > > wild bushes in Texas!
> > >  
> > >   
> > > I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you 
received 
> > > from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told 
> > you, 
> > > you are a wolf in disguise!
> > > There is saying:
> > > "A "saint" can see (recognize) only a Saint!"
> > > Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class.
> > > The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it 
is 
> > his 
> > > inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class that 
> > person 
> > > belongs.
> > > You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you dare 
> to 
> > > write about His personality!°
> > > Shame on you!
> > > I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a 
so-
> > > called "fault apple" in Maharishis Movement, stay away from us!
> > > Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it be 
> and 
> > > give it over to my sweet & most cherished Lord Krishna, who was 
> at 
> > an 
> > > earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma).
> > >  
> > > All Glory to Guru Dewa
> > > All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
> > > All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, Cows 
& 
> > > Vedic Shishyas.
> > >  
> > >  
> > > Frank W. Lotz
> > > Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style & 
> > > the Art of Living in accord with the Veda.
> > >
> >
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-31 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> First, what exactly is a "fault apple?"

He probably means 'rotten apple'. In german rotten is 'faul'.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-31 Thread Paul Mason
Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. He sent in response to 
my suggestion that he is obsessed with gods, gurus and self worth, 
and that he has made a guru out of his idol (MMY), which was 
incorrect because Guru Dev expressly condemned anyone other than 
brahmanas to be gurus (hence the quote about gurus, I just translated 
it to clear up that point for him). 
His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, therefore I 
thought it best to make his rant more public.





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> I am confused.
> 
> Who is calling Paul a "wolf in disguise"?
> 
> The first several paragraphs are not attributed to anyone so at 
> first glance it appears that Paul wrote it himself...but that 
> doesn't make sense...so what's going on here?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?! 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am 
> not 
> > giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's 
> brain 
> > is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out "Frank
> > (ly)! 
> >  
> > Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is:
> > MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from "yahoo!
> > You are polluting the dear & sweet feeling of ours towards His 
> > Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not 
> > only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, 
> you 
> > are producing) Yogi!
> >  
> > P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru:
> > Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, 
> it 
> > is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to 
> what 
> > class of people he or she belongs!
> > Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts 
and 
> do 
> > not belong to the Golden Age!
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side to 
> give 
> > you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the 
> finishing 
> > class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the 
first
> > Class of elementary school.
> > I want give you any more "milk", because it is quiet dangerous to 
> > feed a snake with milk. 
> > Next time she will bide you…..
> > So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, 
> the 
> > today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from 
> the 
> > wild bushes in Texas!
> >  
> >   
> > I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you received 
> > from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told 
> you, 
> > you are a wolf in disguise!
> > There is saying:
> > "A "saint" can see (recognize) only a Saint!"
> > Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class.
> > The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it is 
> his 
> > inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class that 
> person 
> > belongs.
> > You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you dare 
to 
> > write about His personality!°
> > Shame on you!
> > I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a so-
> > called "fault apple" in Maharishis Movement, stay away from us!
> > Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it be 
and 
> > give it over to my sweet & most cherished Lord Krishna, who was 
at 
> an 
> > earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma).
> >  
> > All Glory to Guru Dewa
> > All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
> > All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, Cows & 
> > Vedic Shishyas.
> >  
> >  
> > Frank W. Lotz
> > Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style & 
> > the Art of Living in accord with the Veda.
> >
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Frank. Thank you for the lovely turd. I'm sure you
> feel better now and your bowels are flowing freely in
> the true dharma. FFL the toilet bowl of true
> believers!
> 
> P.S. I still don't know what Paul said that was so
> awful. Whatever it was , it was a serious thought
> crime, that we know.

Paul posted a quote from Guru Dev that made
it clear that Maharishi would never have been
allowed to teach and have disciples within 
the tradition that Guru Dev represented. You 
can imagine how well that went down with a 
fanatical TB. :-)

But I'm still curious about two points in his
letter. 

First, what exactly is a "fault apple?"
 
Second, does Nader Ram's cosmic role as the 
"protector of cows" answer the question of why 
they've been having such a tough time finding 
him a suitable queen? If it turns out they've 
been searching among the wrong species that
would be udder disaster  :-)



> --- Paul Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?! 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > You are arguing like some silly child from the
> > kindergarten. I am not 
> > giving knowledge out to someone, who can't
> > understand, or who's brain 
> > is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak
> > it out "Frank
> > (ly)! 
> >  
> > Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group
> > is:
> > MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from "yahoo!
> > You are polluting the dear & sweet feeling of ours
> > towards His 
> > Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva
> > Incarnate, not 
> > only myself had that cognition), so watch out for
> > your bad Karma, you 
> > are producing) Yogi!
> >  
> > P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a
> > Guru:
> > Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines
> > a man caste, it 
> > is his inner state of developed consciousness,
> > ´which shows to what 
> > class of people he or she belongs!
> > Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga
> > like thoughts and do 
> > not belong to the Golden Age!
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid
> > from my side to give 
> > you further on my attention. If someone discuses
> > from the finishing 
> > class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came
> > into the first
> > Class of elementary school.
> > I want give you any more "milk", because it is quiet
> > dangerous to 
> > feed a snake with milk. 
> > Next time she will bide you…..
> > So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from
> > the church, the 
> > today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the
> > silly men from the 
> > wild bushes in Texas!
> >  
> >   
> > I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money
> > you received 
> > from your silly government, writing such a stupid
> > book? I told you, 
> > you are a wolf in disguise!
> > There is saying:
> > "A "saint" can see (recognize) only a Saint!"
> > Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class.
> > The birth never determents someone Vedic caste
> > (heritage), it is his 
> > inner state of consciousness that shows up to which
> > class that person 
> > belongs.
> > You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi
> > and you dare to 
> > write about His personality!°
> > Shame on you!
> > I am not misusing my precious time any more on you!
> > You are a so-
> > called "fault apple" in Maharishis Movement, stay
> > away from us!
> > Now I have written enough about this silly thing and
> > let it be and 
> > give it over to my sweet & most cherished Lord
> > Krishna, who was at an 
> > earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma).
> >  
> > All Glory to Guru Dewa
> > All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
> > All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of
> > Dharma, Cows & 
> > Vedic Shishyas.
> >  
> >  
> > Frank W. Lotz
> > Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking
> > Style & 
> > the Art of Living in accord with the Veda.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-30 Thread shempmcgurk
I am confused.

Who is calling Paul a "wolf in disguise"?

The first several paragraphs are not attributed to anyone so at 
first glance it appears that Paul wrote it himself...but that 
doesn't make sense...so what's going on here?




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?! 
> 
> 
>  
> You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am 
not 
> giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's 
brain 
> is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out "Frank
> (ly)! 
>  
> Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is:
> MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from "yahoo!
> You are polluting the dear & sweet feeling of ours towards His 
> Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not 
> only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, 
you 
> are producing) Yogi!
>  
> P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru:
> Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, 
it 
> is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to 
what 
> class of people he or she belongs!
> Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and 
do 
> not belong to the Golden Age!
>  
>  
>  
> It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side to 
give 
> you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the 
finishing 
> class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the first
> Class of elementary school.
> I want give you any more "milk", because it is quiet dangerous to 
> feed a snake with milk. 
> Next time she will bide you…..
> So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, 
the 
> today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from 
the 
> wild bushes in Texas!
>  
>   
> I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you received 
> from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told 
you, 
> you are a wolf in disguise!
> There is saying:
> "A "saint" can see (recognize) only a Saint!"
> Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class.
> The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it is 
his 
> inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class that 
person 
> belongs.
> You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you dare to 
> write about His personality!°
> Shame on you!
> I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a so-
> called "fault apple" in Maharishis Movement, stay away from us!
> Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it be and 
> give it over to my sweet & most cherished Lord Krishna, who was at 
an 
> earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma).
>  
> All Glory to Guru Dewa
> All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
> All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, Cows & 
> Vedic Shishyas.
>  
>  
> Frank W. Lotz
> Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style & 
> the Art of Living in accord with the Veda.
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-30 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> > She and I looked at each other and sighed...
> 
> Her eyes held a special siddha spark, that secret
> shakti of someone regularly on-the-program. The gentle
> scent of her pita-kapha body type ayurvedic soap
> suddenly flooded my nostrils and I thought, "Purusha?
> What's that?" 

Was definitely non-celebate at that time...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-30 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> "She and I looked at each other and sighed..."
> 
> Total buying signal!
> 
> 

Did  mention I was well-known for missing "come get me" signals from women?

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- sparaig  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason"
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?! 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  
> > > > > You are arguing like some silly child from the
> > > > kindergarten. I am not 
> > > > > giving knowledge out to someone, who can't
> > > > understand, or who's brain 
> > > > > is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it
> > > > speak it out "Frank
> > > > > (ly)! 
> > > > >  
> > > > > Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group
> > > > is:
> > > > > MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from "yahoo!
> > > > > You are polluting the dear & sweet feeling of ours
> > > > towards His 
> > > > > Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva
> > > > Incarnate, not 
> > > > > only myself had that cognition), so watch out for
> > > > your bad Karma, you 
> > > > > are producing) Yogi!
> > > > >  
> > > > > P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a
> > > > Guru:
> > > > > Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna
> > > > determines a man caste, it 
> > > > > is his inner state of developed consciousness,
> > > > ´which shows to what 
> > > > > class of people he or she belongs!
> > > > > Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga
> > > > like thoughts and do 
> > > > > not belong to the Golden Age!
> > > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > This is the kind of rabid TBer who gives rabid TBers
> > > > a bad name...
> > > 
> > > That's funny, sparaig. I'm sure you'd even tell this
> > > guy to sit down and perhaps get checked!
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > Actually, yeah.
> > 
> > I recall once being on a bus talking to a Spansih (?) sidha-cutie
> about a video we'd both 
> > seen where MMY was ripping everyone a new one for putting on airs
> pretending to be 
> > Hindu and how that was detracting rom his success at spreading TM.
> We were 
> > comisserating with each other about how bliss-ninny the whole thing
> was getting 
> > (mid-80s) when a German-sounding fellow interupted us with "I don't
> believe it."
> > 
> > I asked, Which, that MMY was upset, or that he made a tape or what?
> And he said "any of 
> > it--MMY would never say such things."
> > 
> > She and I looked at each other and sighed...
> >
>






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-30 Thread Peter


--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> She and I looked at each other and sighed...

Her eyes held a special siddha spark, that secret
shakti of someone regularly on-the-program. The gentle
scent of her pita-kapha body type ayurvedic soap
suddenly flooded my nostrils and I thought, "Purusha?
What's that?" 




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-30 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!





on 8/30/06 4:10 PM, geezerfreak at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  
> , Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>> Remember WIMS on International Staff? Man, incarnate
>> Nazis, no joke!
> 
> No shit. Real "master race" types. Calling Herr Doktor Everhard!

He died years ago. Decades.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-30 Thread Paul Mason
Ba!
(Actually, I told him I thought he was obsessed with gods, gurus and 
with his own self worth.)



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wrote:
>
> Frank. Thank you for the lovely turd. I'm sure you
> feel better now and your bowels are flowing freely in
> the true dharma. FFL the toilet bowl of true
> believers!
> 
> P.S. I still don't know what Paul said that was so
> awful. Whatever it was , it was a serious thought
> crime, that we know.
> 
> --- Paul Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?! 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > You are arguing like some silly child from the
> > kindergarten. I am not 
> > giving knowledge out to someone, who can't
> > understand, or who's brain 
> > is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak
> > it out "Frank
> > (ly)! 
> >  
> > Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group
> > is:
> > MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from "yahoo!
> > You are polluting the dear & sweet feeling of ours
> > towards His 
> > Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva
> > Incarnate, not 
> > only myself had that cognition), so watch out for
> > your bad Karma, you 
> > are producing) Yogi!
> >  
> > P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a
> > Guru:
> > Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines
> > a man caste, it 
> > is his inner state of developed consciousness,
> > ´which shows to what 
> > class of people he or she belongs!
> > Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga
> > like thoughts and do 
> > not belong to the Golden Age!
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid
> > from my side to give 
> > you further on my attention. If someone discuses
> > from the finishing 
> > class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came
> > into the first
> > Class of elementary school.
> > I want give you any more "milk", because it is quiet
> > dangerous to 
> > feed a snake with milk. 
> > Next time she will bide you…..
> > So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from
> > the church, the 
> > today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the
> > silly men from the 
> > wild bushes in Texas!
> >  
> >   
> > I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money
> > you received 
> > from your silly government, writing such a stupid
> > book? I told you, 
> > you are a wolf in disguise!
> > There is saying:
> > "A "saint" can see (recognize) only a Saint!"
> > Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class.
> > The birth never determents someone Vedic caste
> > (heritage), it is his 
> > inner state of consciousness that shows up to which
> > class that person 
> > belongs.
> > You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi
> > and you dare to 
> > write about His personality!°
> > Shame on you!
> > I am not misusing my precious time any more on you!
> > You are a so-
> > called "fault apple" in Maharishis Movement, stay
> > away from us!
> > Now I have written enough about this silly thing and
> > let it be and 
> > give it over to my sweet & most cherished Lord
> > Krishna, who was at an 
> > earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma).
> >  
> > All Glory to Guru Dewa
> > All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
> > All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of
> > Dharma, Cows & 
> > Vedic Shishyas.
> >  
> >  
> > Frank W. Lotz
> > Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking
> > Style & 
> > the Art of Living in accord with the Veda.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-30 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > 
> Remember WIMS on International Staff? Man, incarnate
> Nazis, no joke!

No shit. Real "master race" types. Calling Herr Doktor Everhard!


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-30 Thread curtisdeltablues
"She and I looked at each other and sighed..."

Total buying signal!



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- sparaig  wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason"
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?! 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > You are arguing like some silly child from the
> > > kindergarten. I am not 
> > > > giving knowledge out to someone, who can't
> > > understand, or who's brain 
> > > > is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it
> > > speak it out "Frank
> > > > (ly)! 
> > > >  
> > > > Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group
> > > is:
> > > > MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from "yahoo!
> > > > You are polluting the dear & sweet feeling of ours
> > > towards His 
> > > > Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva
> > > Incarnate, not 
> > > > only myself had that cognition), so watch out for
> > > your bad Karma, you 
> > > > are producing) Yogi!
> > > >  
> > > > P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a
> > > Guru:
> > > > Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna
> > > determines a man caste, it 
> > > > is his inner state of developed consciousness,
> > > ´which shows to what 
> > > > class of people he or she belongs!
> > > > Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga
> > > like thoughts and do 
> > > > not belong to the Golden Age!
> > > >  
> > > 
> > > This is the kind of rabid TBer who gives rabid TBers
> > > a bad name...
> > 
> > That's funny, sparaig. I'm sure you'd even tell this
> > guy to sit down and perhaps get checked!
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> Actually, yeah.
> 
> I recall once being on a bus talking to a Spansih (?) sidha-cutie
about a video we'd both 
> seen where MMY was ripping everyone a new one for putting on airs
pretending to be 
> Hindu and how that was detracting rom his success at spreading TM.
We were 
> comisserating with each other about how bliss-ninny the whole thing
was getting 
> (mid-80s) when a German-sounding fellow interupted us with "I don't
believe it."
> 
> I asked, Which, that MMY was upset, or that he made a tape or what?
And he said "any of 
> it--MMY would never say such things."
> 
> She and I looked at each other and sighed...
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-30 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?! 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > You are arguing like some silly child from the
> > kindergarten. I am not 
> > > giving knowledge out to someone, who can't
> > understand, or who's brain 
> > > is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it
> > speak it out "Frank
> > > (ly)! 
> > >  
> > > Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group
> > is:
> > > MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from "yahoo!
> > > You are polluting the dear & sweet feeling of ours
> > towards His 
> > > Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva
> > Incarnate, not 
> > > only myself had that cognition), so watch out for
> > your bad Karma, you 
> > > are producing) Yogi!
> > >  
> > > P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a
> > Guru:
> > > Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna
> > determines a man caste, it 
> > > is his inner state of developed consciousness,
> > ´which shows to what 
> > > class of people he or she belongs!
> > > Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga
> > like thoughts and do 
> > > not belong to the Golden Age!
> > >  
> > 
> > This is the kind of rabid TBer who gives rabid TBers
> > a bad name...
> 
> That's funny, sparaig. I'm sure you'd even tell this
> guy to sit down and perhaps get checked!
> 
> 


Actually, yeah.

I recall once being on a bus talking to a Spansih (?) sidha-cutie about a video 
we'd both 
seen where MMY was ripping everyone a new one for putting on airs pretending to 
be 
Hindu and how that was detracting rom his success at spreading TM. We were 
comisserating with each other about how bliss-ninny the whole thing was getting 
(mid-80s) when a German-sounding fellow interupted us with "I don't believe it."

I asked, Which, that MMY was upset, or that he made a tape or what? And he said 
"any of 
it--MMY would never say such things."

She and I looked at each other and sighed...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-30 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
 I know Frank from old times, he is a sweet guy, but easily goes over
the top.

> PS if you read the rant in a German accent it is ten times funnier!

No need to warm up nationalistic sentiments ;/






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-30 Thread Peter


--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > That is my favorite post so far this week!  I'm
> just wondering if
> > "fault apple" preparation are covered in the Vedic
> cook book cuz I
> > never know what season to eat them.
> > 
> > But more seriously Paul please hook me up with the
> "spy for pay"
> > program.  I think I have been doing the kind of
> work they obviously
> > pay for, for free, and it it time to start turning
> my wolf words (or
> > is it volf vords?) into cash.  Please advise.
> > 
> > PS if you read the rant in a German accent it is
> ten times funnier!
> >
> 
> Ve haf vays of making think your mantra innocently!
> 
> 
> An old TM teacher friend of mine once told me the
> story that MMY was keeping the 
> German contingent of TM teachers very close to him
> at some course or another and that 
> everyone was remarking on the favoritism. She
> finally had a chance to ask him why, was it 
> because he really liked them? 
> 
> His answer was basically, Heavens no! I'm trying to
> keep an eye on them.

Remember WIMS on International Staff? Man, incarnate
Nazis, no joke!




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-30 Thread Peter


--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?! 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > You are arguing like some silly child from the
> kindergarten. I am not 
> > giving knowledge out to someone, who can't
> understand, or who's brain 
> > is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it
> speak it out "Frank
> > (ly)! 
> >  
> > Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group
> is:
> > MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from "yahoo!
> > You are polluting the dear & sweet feeling of ours
> towards His 
> > Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva
> Incarnate, not 
> > only myself had that cognition), so watch out for
> your bad Karma, you 
> > are producing) Yogi!
> >  
> > P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a
> Guru:
> > Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna
> determines a man caste, it 
> > is his inner state of developed consciousness,
> ´which shows to what 
> > class of people he or she belongs!
> > Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga
> like thoughts and do 
> > not belong to the Golden Age!
> >  
> 
> This is the kind of rabid TBer who gives rabid TBers
> a bad name...

That's funny, sparaig. I'm sure you'd even tell this
guy to sit down and perhaps get checked!



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It is amazing how many crazy people is left in the TMO. It is 
> really amazing that the TMO does not give out the quotations from 
> GD. But I can understand it, because they take away the foundation 
> of MMY. He has been putting GD in front of himself through all 
> these years - as an alibi.

Pathological.



> I am happy that I am not longer a part of this organisation.
> Ingegerd








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-30 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?! 
> 
> 
>  
> You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am not 
> giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's brain 
> is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out "Frank
> (ly)! 
>  
> Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is:
> MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from "yahoo!
> You are polluting the dear & sweet feeling of ours towards His 
> Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not 
> only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, you 
> are producing) Yogi!
>  
> P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru:
> Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, it 
> is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to what 
> class of people he or she belongs!
> Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and do 
> not belong to the Golden Age!
>  

This is the kind of rabid TBer who gives rabid TBers a bad name...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-30 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> That is my favorite post so far this week!  I'm just wondering if
> "fault apple" preparation are covered in the Vedic cook book cuz I
> never know what season to eat them.
> 
> But more seriously Paul please hook me up with the "spy for pay"
> program.  I think I have been doing the kind of work they obviously
> pay for, for free, and it it time to start turning my wolf words (or
> is it volf vords?) into cash.  Please advise.
> 
> PS if you read the rant in a German accent it is ten times funnier!
>

Ve haf vays of making think your mantra innocently!


An old TM teacher friend of mine once told me the story that MMY was keeping 
the 
German contingent of TM teachers very close to him at some course or another 
and that 
everyone was remarking on the favoritism. She finally had a chance to ask him 
why, was it 
because he really liked them? 

His answer was basically, Heavens no! I'm trying to keep an eye on them.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-30 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> That is my favorite post so far this week!  I'm just wondering if
> "fault apple" preparation are covered in the Vedic cook book cuz I
> never know what season to eat them.
> 
> But more seriously Paul please hook me up with the "spy for pay"
> program.  I think I have been doing the kind of work they obviously
> pay for, for free, and it it time to start turning my wolf words (or
> is it volf vords?) into cash.  Please advise.
> 
> PS if you read the rant in a German accent it is ten times funnier!

Imagining the guy wearing Raja's robes and a crown
while saying it doesn't hurt either.  :-)


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?! 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am not 
> > giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's brain 
> > is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out "Frank
> > (ly)! 
> >  
> > Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is:
> > MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from "yahoo!
> > You are polluting the dear & sweet feeling of ours towards His 
> > Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not 
> > only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, you 
> > are producing) Yogi!
> >  
> > P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru:
> > Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, it 
> > is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to what 
> > class of people he or she belongs!
> > Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and do 
> > not belong to the Golden Age!
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side to give 
> > you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the finishing 
> > class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the first
> > Class of elementary school.
> > I want give you any more "milk", because it is quiet dangerous to 
> > feed a snake with milk. 
> > Next time she will bide you…..
> > So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, the 
> > today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from the 
> > wild bushes in Texas!
> >  
> >   
> > I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you received 
> > from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told you, 
> > you are a wolf in disguise!
> > There is saying:
> > "A "saint" can see (recognize) only a Saint!"
> > Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class.
> > The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it is his 
> > inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class that person 
> > belongs.
> > You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you dare to 
> > write about His personality!°
> > Shame on you!
> > I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a so-
> > called "fault apple" in Maharishis Movement, stay away from us!
> > Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it be and 
> > give it over to my sweet & most cherished Lord Krishna, who was at an 
> > earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma).
> >  
> > All Glory to Guru Dewa
> > All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
> > All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, Cows & 
> > Vedic Shishyas.
> >  
> >  
> > Frank W. Lotz
> > Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style & 
> > the Art of Living in accord with the Veda.
> >
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-30 Thread Ingegerd
It is amazing how many crazy people is left in the TMO. It is really 
amazing that the TMO does not give out the quotations from GD. But I 
can understand it, because they take away the foundation of MMY. He 
has been putting GD in front of himself through all these years - as 
an alibi. 
I am happy that I am not longer a part of this organisation.
Ingegerd

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?! 
> 
> 
>  
> You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am 
not 
> giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's 
brain 
> is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out "Frank
> (ly)! 
>  
> Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is:
> MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from "yahoo!
> You are polluting the dear & sweet feeling of ours towards His 
> Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not 
> only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, 
you 
> are producing) Yogi!
>  
> P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru:
> Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, 
it 
> is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to 
what 
> class of people he or she belongs!
> Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and 
do 
> not belong to the Golden Age!
>  
>  
>  
> It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side to 
give 
> you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the 
finishing 
> class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the first
> Class of elementary school.
> I want give you any more "milk", because it is quiet dangerous to 
> feed a snake with milk. 
> Next time she will bide you…..
> So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, 
the 
> today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from 
the 
> wild bushes in Texas!
>  
>   
> I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you received 
> from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told 
you, 
> you are a wolf in disguise!
> There is saying:
> "A "saint" can see (recognize) only a Saint!"
> Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class.
> The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it is 
his 
> inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class that 
person 
> belongs.
> You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you dare to 
> write about His personality!°
> Shame on you!
> I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a so-
> called "fault apple" in Maharishis Movement, stay away from us!
> Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it be and 
> give it over to my sweet & most cherished Lord Krishna, who was at 
an 
> earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma).
>  
> All Glory to Guru Dewa
> All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
> All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, Cows & 
> Vedic Shishyas.
>  
>  
> Frank W. Lotz
> Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style & 
> the Art of Living in accord with the Veda.
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?!

2006-08-30 Thread curtisdeltablues
That is my favorite post so far this week!  I'm just wondering if
"fault apple" preparation are covered in the Vedic cook book cuz I
never know what season to eat them.

But more seriously Paul please hook me up with the "spy for pay"
program.  I think I have been doing the kind of work they obviously
pay for, for free, and it it time to start turning my wolf words (or
is it volf vords?) into cash.  Please advise.

PS if you read the rant in a German accent it is ten times funnier!



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Paul Mason, a "wolf in disguise"?! 
> 
> 
>  
> You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am not 
> giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's brain 
> is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out "Frank
> (ly)! 
>  
> Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is:
> MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from "yahoo!
> You are polluting the dear & sweet feeling of ours towards His 
> Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not 
> only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, you 
> are producing) Yogi!
>  
> P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru:
> Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, it 
> is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to what 
> class of people he or she belongs!
> Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and do 
> not belong to the Golden Age!
>  
>  
>  
> It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side to give 
> you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the finishing 
> class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the first
> Class of elementary school.
> I want give you any more "milk", because it is quiet dangerous to 
> feed a snake with milk. 
> Next time she will bide you…..
> So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, the 
> today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from the 
> wild bushes in Texas!
>  
>   
> I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you received 
> from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told you, 
> you are a wolf in disguise!
> There is saying:
> "A "saint" can see (recognize) only a Saint!"
> Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class.
> The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it is his 
> inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class that person 
> belongs.
> You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you dare to 
> write about His personality!°
> Shame on you!
> I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a so-
> called "fault apple" in Maharishis Movement, stay away from us!
> Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it be and 
> give it over to my sweet & most cherished Lord Krishna, who was at an 
> earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma).
>  
> All Glory to Guru Dewa
> All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
> All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, Cows & 
> Vedic Shishyas.
>  
>  
> Frank W. Lotz
> Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style & 
> the Art of Living in accord with the Veda.
>






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