[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
,, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : In self-moderation we rely on each other, "Your use of Groups is subject to these Guidelines, Keep your content relevant to the group and moderate it correctly. Be courteous. Moderate your content." In moderation, -JaiGuruYou #FFL is categorized as a 'spiritual' group. One would hope that people could trust that they could post reflections here on this yahoo-group without incurring personal abuse. Please note the yahoo-groups guidelines saying, “Don't threaten, harass, impersonate, or hurt others, and don't invade other people's privacy.” and “Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or ranting.” # From the Yahoo-Groups Guidelines: “Don't threaten, harass, impersonate, or hurt others, and don't invade other people's privacy. ..the group owner may remove your content — or you — from the group altogether." “2. Don't be unkind. Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or ranting.” Exploitative, especially: unfairly or cynically using another person or group for profit or advantage; to use selfishly for one's own ends. Degrading: causing a loss of self-respect; humiliating Belligerence: a warlike or aggressively hostile nature, condition, or attitude. Insult: to speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse. A disrespectful or scornfully abusive remark or action. An insult is an expression, statement (or sometimes behavior) which is disrespectful or scornful. Slur: an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insult them or damage their reputation. Profanity: abusive, vulgar, or irreverent. To Rant, to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild over-vehement way; rave. "Keep your content relevant to the group and moderate it correctly." “Don't be unkind”. "We depend on each member to help keep it [FFL] a safe, fun, and positive place for everyone. Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion, may terminate or remove any content, Group or your Yahoo ID immediately and without notice if (a) Yahoo believes that you have acted inconsistently with the spirit or the letter of the Yahoo Terms of Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, or (b) Yahoo believes you have violated or tried to violate the rights of others. Please help us keep Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience." "If you see a Group or content that violates our rules, please let us know by contacting us [..yahoo-groups]." While standing on steady ground I look to the guidelines of civility that Yahoo intended for its groups. Those guidelines are way more than spirit but plain intent. Folks should simply make their contributions to FFL within the chalice which Yahoo holds up to us. Offerings not written well within the spirit and intent of what Yahoo has given us may well fall or bounce out as given. In reformation anew have a nice day, -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have done thus far. We're dealing with some few nit-pickers of detail but the challenge is very much like the Supreme Court faced in ruling yesterday. There is spirit and intent of law that needs to be taken in to account, just like as Yahoo asks for: Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion, may terminate or remove any content, Group or your Yahoo ID immediately and without notice if (a) Yahoo believes that you have acted inconsistently with the spirit or the letter of the Yahoo Terms of Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, or (b) Yahoo believes you have violated or tried to violate the rights of others. Please help us keep Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience. If you see a Group or content that violates our rules, please let us know by contacting us. The supreme court dealing with this.. From the NPR page: The Supreme Court, however, firmly rejected the challengers' argument, ruling that the overall purpose of the statute was to create a nationwide system of insurance for those who are not insured through work. Chief Justice Roberts said that Congress established a system of "interlocking reforms" that could not be separated. Lose the subsidies, he said, and history shows that mainly the sick will sign up for insurance; costs will skyrocket, making insurance unaffordable; and insurance plans will be pushed into a "death spiral." It is simply "implausible" that Congress intended such a result, said Roberts. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; Regrettably as moderators we recently received a compliant having to do with protecting people's
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Well we seem to have a couple of teenagers over in the corner going at each other like a Facebook brawl. I'm just ignoring it. Some people just never grow up. On 06/26/2015 07:27 AM, Duveyoung wrote: Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug? Will he bounce others? I don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that. Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough. So? Yeah, abusive. So? I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this shows his, um, forbearance? Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL, Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term re! -moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech. Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position. I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the so-called guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have done thus far spam removed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
As was just said, you saved me some typing. (-: Perhaps they can just move along folks, nothing to see here anymore. the great cleansing did not occur. please resume normal programming ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug? Will he bounce others? I don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that. Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough. So? Yeah, abusive. So? I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this shows his, um, forbearance? Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL, Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech. Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position. I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the so-called guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have done thus far spam removed.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
O yeah, I had forgotten Bucky wanted to shut FFL down - but he got better
than that, now he is the main-most person in charge!
From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 10:51 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Et tu Edg?
So if he culls one from the herd unfairly, but you don't like the guy anyway it
is OK?
Say it is not true my brother, say it is not true.
It is only when he comes for you that you will get a sense of conscience? Right
now, bouncing me would be more trouble than it would be worth, but by the
criteria already used, I am just as vulnerable and so are you. If the criteria
is held in secret and is whatever the F he feels like then it is just a
matter of time until only the Age of Enlightenment News gets broadcast here.
And before I am accused of the slippery slope fallacy, I lived this exact brand
of control in the same movement Buck was trained in. He is already referring to
opposing his banning with zero accountability as nitpicking.
Do you care that he lied about Rick being behind this ban with him? Have you
ever been in a room where some sanctimonious prick came bustling in and said
Maharishi wants _. And then you find out later that it was just his
idea and he wanted to silence dissent ahead of time by invoking Maharishi's
name?
Before he found this angle Buck was advocating shutting down FFL. He has no
love for free discussion here. I challenge anyone to repost any time he has
engaged in a back and forth discussion with a participant here, the kind you
and I value. Just one. And I double dare anyone to post one where he shows up
as a genuine person talking to another adult instead of this constant
condescension, first veiled by persona and now in the open.
Edg, do ya hear me!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug? Will he bounce others? I
don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other
that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that.
Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough. So?
Yeah, abusive. So?
I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly
rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug
chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this
shows his, um, forbearance?
Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself
for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of
Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :
Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10
years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL,
Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow
affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term
re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that
allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech.
Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the
dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of
truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position.
I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the
so-called guidelines.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving verymuch within the spirit and intent
of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines inthe re-moderation we have done thus
far spam removed.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : excuse me for interrupting here, Curtis, but this is quite a distortion. Your issue is primarily with Judy, so come on, is this a martyr play of some sort? Me: My issue is with our new moderator. Judy is just a way to keep the discussion lively. S: most others here value your perspective, because, I found it to be pretty straightforward, and civil, and not a self proclaimed agenda to push peoples buttons. so, maybe you are using your standing here to compare yourself to Barry and in that way elevate his status some, but I sure as hell, ain't buying it. Me: I am not sure what you are getting at here. I am not comparing myself to Barry we had completely different focuses of attention here. But how you and I view me is not an issue. It is that if Buck gets it into his head that I have violated his subjective interpretation of vague rules, any of us can be ousted on a whim with zero transparency. And any cries of that is not fair for an individual you like more than Barry will be met the same accountability, none. I believe you are on the wrong side of this Steve, I really do. Steve:and may I also, say, it's quite an exaggeration trying to compare Doug's moderating to MMY's philosphy of management. . Me: We disagree here, I consider this textbook MMY. Steve:As was pointed out. Two trolls have been removed. Nothing more. Me: Calling them both the same name conflates their violations unfairly. And I don't trust your opinion to be the law here any more than you should trust mine. What is trolling is an imprecise term that could at one time or other be applied to most of us here. What is happening here is that rules are being invoked to cover a popularity contest. I object to that kind of moderation for a bunch of adults who were doing just fine without it. Steve:You seem to trying hard, and quite ingeniously, IMO, to make the appropriate sentence where two trolls have been removed, into a great miscarriage of justice. Me: I am not lumping them together, you are. They should not be mentioned in the same discussion of what is going on here. Steve:Barry was a troll. He's not here, and the site is better off for it. And, maybe if you can stick to what has happened, instead of what might, could (and hasn't) happened, then good things will continue. Me: Steve you trolled him right back. And it didn't affect me either way because it was both of your choices to interact that way and I never had to read or be a part of it. That is what freedom is all about. I appreciate your extending the discussion. I am making my case and some buy it and some don't. But I always appreciate your friendly tone with me and respect that you are expressing your POV about a complex topic. I am pro discussion and anti banning without discussion. So far Doug has stonewalled us on his reasons for banning Barry. So some are making up their own to cover this glaring gap. I am keeping my eye on that gap because I believe it is important to the usefulness of the place for me to post on. I never want to have to think before I hit send:What would Buck think of this post? Steve:Who knows, maybe Barry will be a part of it, at some point. Me: If Rick decides to intervene I believe that will be the case. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Et tu Edg? So if he culls one from the herd unfairly, but you don't like the guy anyway it is OK? Say it is not true my brother, say it is not true. It is only when he comes for you that you will get a sense of conscience? Right now, bouncing me would be more trouble than it would be worth, but by the criteria already used, I am just as vulnerable and so are you. If the criteria is held in secret and is whatever the F he feels like then it is just a matter of time until only the Age of Enlightenment News gets broadcast here. And before I am accused of the slippery slope fallacy, I lived this exact brand of control in the same movement Buck was trained in. He is already referring to opposing his banning with zero accountability as nitpicking. Do you care that he lied about Rick being behind this ban with him? Have you ever been in a room where some sanctimonious prick came bustling in and said Maharishi wants _. And then you find out later that it was just his idea and he wanted to silence dissent ahead of time by invoking Maharishi's name? Before he found this angle Buck was advocating shutting down FFL. He has no love for free discussion here. I challenge anyone to repost any time he has engaged in a back and forth discussion with a participant here, the kind you and I value. Just one. And I double dare anyone to post one where he shows up as a genuine person talking to another adult instead of this constant condescension, first veiled by persona and now in the open. Edg, do ya hear me! ---In
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : (snip) So far Doug has stonewalled us on his reasons for banning Barry. So some are making up their own to cover this glaring gap. Nope, that's a story *you* made up. Nobody's doing that. When I first saw Barry's warcry of defiance--that he was going to ignore Doug--I thought, Whoops, he's gone too far this time; that's going to get him bounced. That was before we knew there was going to *be* an explanatory gap. And I still think that's what pushed him over the edge of Doug's tolerance. Your post to me, Curtis, is flapping limply in the breeze at the moment. I'll get to it later this afternoon. In the meantime, you might just want to look up that post of Ann's I mentioned so you can at least limit your embarrassment over your Doug-twisted-Rick's-arm story by not repeating it. (Goodness knows you don't have the integrity to retract it.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL, Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech. Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position. I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the so-called guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have done thus far spam removed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug? Will he bounce others? I don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that. Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough. So? Yeah, abusive. So? I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this shows his, um, forbearance? Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL, Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech. Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position. I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the so-called guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have done thus far spam removed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
excuse me for interrupting here, Curtis, but this is quite a distortion. Your issue is primarily with Judy, so come on, is this a martyr play of some sort? most others here value your perspective, because, I found it to be pretty straightforward, and civil, and not a self proclaimed agenda to push peoples buttons. so, maybe you are using your standing here to compare yourself to Barry and in that way elevate his status some, but I sure as hell, ain't buying it. and may I also, say, it's quite an exaggeration trying to compare Doug's moderating to MMY's philosphy of management. . As was pointed out. Two trolls have been removed. Nothing more. You seem to trying hard, and quite ingeniously, IMO, to make the appropriate sentence where two trolls have been removed, into a great miscarriage of justice. Barry was a troll. He's not here, and the site is better off for it. And, maybe if you can stick to what has happened, instead of what might, could (and hasn't) happened, then good things will continue. Who knows, maybe Barry will be a part of it, at some point. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Et tu Edg? So if he culls one from the herd unfairly, but you don't like the guy anyway it is OK? Say it is not true my brother, say it is not true. It is only when he comes for you that you will get a sense of conscience? Right now, bouncing me would be more trouble than it would be worth, but by the criteria already used, I am just as vulnerable and so are you. If the criteria is held in secret and is whatever the F he feels like then it is just a matter of time until only the Age of Enlightenment News gets broadcast here. And before I am accused of the slippery slope fallacy, I lived this exact brand of control in the same movement Buck was trained in. He is already referring to opposing his banning with zero accountability as nitpicking. Do you care that he lied about Rick being behind this ban with him? Have you ever been in a room where some sanctimonious prick came bustling in and said Maharishi wants _. And then you find out later that it was just his idea and he wanted to silence dissent ahead of time by invoking Maharishi's name? Before he found this angle Buck was advocating shutting down FFL. He has no love for free discussion here. I challenge anyone to repost any time he has engaged in a back and forth discussion with a participant here, the kind you and I value. Just one. And I double dare anyone to post one where he shows up as a genuine person talking to another adult instead of this constant condescension, first veiled by persona and now in the open. Edg, do ya hear me! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug? Will he bounce others? I don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that. Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough. So? Yeah, abusive. So? I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this shows his, um, forbearance? Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL, Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech. Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position. I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the so-called guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have done thus far spam removed.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 2:27 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug? Will he bounce others?
I don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other
that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that.
Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough. So?
Yeah, abusive. So?
I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly
rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug
chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this
shows his, um, forbearance?
Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself
for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of
Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up.Why do you have to steel yourself
against the barbs? Why not let them just pass by like the wind. They are not
going to knock you over.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :
Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10
years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL,
Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow
affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term
re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that
allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech.
Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the
dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of
truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position.
I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the
so-called guidelines.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving verymuch within the spirit and intent
of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines inthe re-moderation we have done thus
far spam removed.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
You might be right, he didn't even ban me for reviling D Lynch lately - of
course one can never be sure, because he sometimes has a delayed reaction to
these things - I think he is mainly loving being the power that can ban if he
chooses.
I have not really shown my contempt for TM, TMSP and the laughable idea of the
Marshy Effect lately, but I'm workin' one up - we'll see how he responds to
that.
From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 10:27 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug? Will he bounce others?
I don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other
that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that.
Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough. So?
Yeah, abusive. So?
I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly
rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug
chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this
shows his, um, forbearance?
Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself
for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of
Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :
Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10
years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL,
Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow
affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term
re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that
allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech.
Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the
dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of
truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position.
I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the
so-called guidelines.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving verymuch within the spirit and intent
of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines inthe re-moderation we have done thus
far spam removed.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Et tu Edg? Heh. Me so bad. So if he culls one from the herd unfairly, but you don't like the guy anyway it is OK? Say it is not true my brother, say it is not true. As I said, I think the Sword of Damocles is held by a chain not a thread .for now. Doug could go kablooy, yep. Just not soon-ish I'm intuiting. Living with a bully ain't so bad if he's not jammin' ya for yer lunch money. And seriously, if Doug dumped you, I would quit here immediately, but I don't think he's that reckless even though dumping Turq was a major decision. Maybe he's just laying low until we all get comfy, and then WAMMO he lowers the boom. It is only when he comes for you that you will get a sense of conscience? Right now, bouncing me would be more trouble than it would be worth, but by the criteria already used, I am just as vulnerable and so are you. If the criteria is held in secret and is whatever the F he feels like then it is just a matter of time until only the Age of Enlightenment News gets broadcast here. Isn't the A of E news already posted here by a couple TBers? No harm. If a newbie wanders in here, anything positive about TM is nicely balanced. I've been smarming to Doug's face a couple times already and .bupkis back from him.more bark and bite. And before I am accused of the slippery slope fallacy, I lived this exact brand of control in the same movement Buck was trained in. He is already referring to opposing his banning with zero accountability as nitpicking. Yeah. It's classic TMO shit. Yep. But YOUR MIND IS YOURS.they can't trigger yer emotions if'n ya don't wants. To let them have that power is YOUR choice. 3 million kids die this year from drinking ditch waterand all that. Willy's a saint compared to the monsters who are starving the world. Perspective! Doug's just a anachronistic blip. Do you care that he lied about Rick being behind this ban with him? Lying is bad. Yes. Murdering the world it isn't. Rick don't care 'bout us..if he was lied to, it's his karma to ravel later at the Pearly Gates. Have you ever been in a room where some sanctimonious prick came bustling in and said Maharishi wants _. And then you find out later that it was just his idea and he wanted to silence dissent ahead of time by invoking Maharishi's name? Hmmm, not sure that ever happened and I was smart enough to pick up on it at the time, but HELL YEAH that's what they do. But you and I are here to smack Lil' Dougy around if he gets crabbier. Before he found this angle Buck was advocating shutting down FFL. He has no love for free discussion here. I challenge anyone to repost any time he has engaged in a back and forth discussion with a participant here, the kind you and I value. Just one. And I double dare anyone to post one where he shows up as a genuine person talking to another adult instead of this constant condescension, first veiled by persona and now in the open. Yep. He's a pisser. Now, I ask you to turn the cheek. Let's see him dare to do this shit again. He's taking some serious impacts right now and yet still, he's NOT over-reacting. And get this, as time passes, WE get to put pressure on FFL to tilt to sanity -- Doug ain't got a chance of winning this. Breathe! Edg, do ya hear me! More than you know, Bro. If anything, all I can do is excuse myself is say, I'm still giddy with all the new-found freedom here. But, too, yes, I do sincerely get it that you and Turq had a robust and decent relationship here at FFL that often served our needs. Sorry for your loss. Hey, ask Turq to tell you where else he's posting about spiritual stuff -- maybe you guys can tag team there! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug? Will he bounce others? I don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that. Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough. So? Yeah, abusive. So? I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this shows his, um, forbearance? Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 years Yahoo never made any attempt to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Et tu Edg? So if he culls one from the herd unfairly, but you don't like the guy anyway it is OK? Say it is not true my brother, say it is not true. It is only when he comes for you that you will get a sense of conscience? Right now, bouncing me would be more trouble than it would be worth, but by the criteria already used, I am just as vulnerable and so are you. If the criteria is held in secret and is whatever the F he feels like then it is just a matter of time until only the Age of Enlightenment News gets broadcast here. And before I am accused of the slippery slope fallacy, I lived this exact brand of control in the same movement Buck was trained in. He is already referring to opposing his banning with zero accountability as nitpicking. Do you care that he lied about Rick being behind this ban with him? Have you ever been in a room where some sanctimonious prick came bustling in and said Maharishi wants _. And then you find out later that it was just his idea and he wanted to silence dissent ahead of time by invoking Maharishi's name? Before he found this angle Buck was advocating shutting down FFL. He has no love for free discussion here. I challenge anyone to repost any time he has engaged in a back and forth discussion with a participant here, the kind you and I value. Just one. And I double dare anyone to post one where he shows up as a genuine person talking to another adult instead of this constant condescension, first veiled by persona and now in the open. Edg, do ya hear me! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug? Will he bounce others? I don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that. Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough. So? Yeah, abusive. So? I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this shows his, um, forbearance? Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL, Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech. Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position. I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the so-called guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have done thus far spam removed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug? Will he bounce others? I don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that. Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough. So? Yeah, abusive. So? I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this shows his, um, forbearance? Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up. You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL, Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech. Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position. I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the so-called guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have done thus far spam removed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
What is commonly known in the trade as a Death Spiral. That was FFL. Now, have you considered changing your posting content, as I was advised to do on so many occasions? Sorta funny isn't it. (-: http://www.pulpdiddyspermutations.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/3.22.14-spiral_image_1.jpg http://www.pulpdiddyspermutations.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/3.22.14-spiral_image_1.jpg http://www.pulpdiddyspermutations.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/3.22.14-spiral_image_1.jpg http://www.pulpdiddyspermutations.com/wp-content/uploads... http://www.pulpdiddyspermutations.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/3.22.14-spiral_image_1.jpg View on www.pulpdiddyspermu... http://www.pulpdiddyspermutations.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/3.22.14-spiral_image_1.jpg Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL, Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech. Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position. I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the so-called guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have done thus far spam removed.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
The way I look at it, Buck simply had the guts and finally the authority to give Barry what he couldn't give himself—a little self-discipline. It's a breath of fresh air and I am 100% in favor of this change—at least for the present time. Perhaps FFL will flower after the manure has had time to mix in. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : O yeah, I had forgotten Bucky wanted to shut FFL down - but he got better than that, now he is the main-most person in charge! From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 10:51 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines Et tu Edg? So if he culls one from the herd unfairly, but you don't like the guy anyway it is OK? Say it is not true my brother, say it is not true. It is only when he comes for you that you will get a sense of conscience? Right now, bouncing me would be more trouble than it would be worth, but by the criteria already used, I am just as vulnerable and so are you. If the criteria is held in secret and is whatever the F he feels like then it is just a matter of time until only the Age of Enlightenment News gets broadcast here. And before I am accused of the slippery slope fallacy, I lived this exact brand of control in the same movement Buck was trained in. He is already referring to opposing his banning with zero accountability as nitpicking. Do you care that he lied about Rick being behind this ban with him? Have you ever been in a room where some sanctimonious prick came bustling in and said Maharishi wants _. And then you find out later that it was just his idea and he wanted to silence dissent ahead of time by invoking Maharishi's name? Before he found this angle Buck was advocating shutting down FFL. He has no love for free discussion here. I challenge anyone to repost any time he has engaged in a back and forth discussion with a participant here, the kind you and I value. Just one. And I double dare anyone to post one where he shows up as a genuine person talking to another adult instead of this constant condescension, first veiled by persona and now in the open. Edg, do ya hear me! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug? Will he bounce others? I don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that. Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough. So? Yeah, abusive. So? I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this shows his, um, forbearance? Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL, Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech. Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position. I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the so-called guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have done thus far spam removed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Thanks for your feedback. Curtis, I think I get where you are coming from. I think most of us do. As I recall, Doug did provide some explanation, but perhaps you felt it was just weak cover to get rid of someone who was a perceived enemy, or at least constant thorn. And, what I am saying, which is what I've said before, I'm okay with that. I get that this lessons whatever marginal respect I might have had in some people's eyes. How bout this. Why don't you let loose with what you feel would get you banned, and see what happens? But, here's the kicker. How bout stay true to the Curtis we all know here, and who most of us like and respect? Michael has indicated he's going to resuscitate his anti Bevan, anti MMY, anti JH, anti Brad O'Nash tirades. How boring will that be! But at least, MJ, in my opinion is not a twister of what people say. He is just a straight, down the line, TM, MMY basher. That is tolerable, IMO. Your writing and insights bring a lot to the place. You have some enemies here, but far more appreciate what you post. Anyway, got interrupted and lost my train of thought. Send! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : excuse me for interrupting here, Curtis, but this is quite a distortion. Your issue is primarily with Judy, so come on, is this a martyr play of some sort? Me: My issue is with our new moderator. Judy is just a way to keep the discussion lively. S: most others here value your perspective, because, I found it to be pretty straightforward, and civil, and not a self proclaimed agenda to push peoples buttons. so, maybe you are using your standing here to compare yourself to Barry and in that way elevate his status some, but I sure as hell, ain't buying it. Me: I am not sure what you are getting at here. I am not comparing myself to Barry we had completely different focuses of attention here. But how you and I view me is not an issue. It is that if Buck gets it into his head that I have violated his subjective interpretation of vague rules, any of us can be ousted on a whim with zero transparency. And any cries of that is not fair for an individual you like more than Barry will be met the same accountability, none. I believe you are on the wrong side of this Steve, I really do. Steve:and may I also, say, it's quite an exaggeration trying to compare Doug's moderating to MMY's philosphy of management. . Me: We disagree here, I consider this textbook MMY. Steve:As was pointed out. Two trolls have been removed. Nothing more. Me: Calling them both the same name conflates their violations unfairly. And I don't trust your opinion to be the law here any more than you should trust mine. What is trolling is an imprecise term that could at one time or other be applied to most of us here. What is happening here is that rules are being invoked to cover a popularity contest. I object to that kind of moderation for a bunch of adults who were doing just fine without it. Steve:You seem to trying hard, and quite ingeniously, IMO, to make the appropriate sentence where two trolls have been removed, into a great miscarriage of justice. Me: I am not lumping them together, you are. They should not be mentioned in the same discussion of what is going on here. Steve:Barry was a troll. He's not here, and the site is better off for it. And, maybe if you can stick to what has happened, instead of what might, could (and hasn't) happened, then good things will continue. Me: Steve you trolled him right back. And it didn't affect me either way because it was both of your choices to interact that way and I never had to read or be a part of it. That is what freedom is all about. I appreciate your extending the discussion. I am making my case and some buy it and some don't. But I always appreciate your friendly tone with me and respect that you are expressing your POV about a complex topic. I am pro discussion and anti banning without discussion. So far Doug has stonewalled us on his reasons for banning Barry. So some are making up their own to cover this glaring gap. I am keeping my eye on that gap because I believe it is important to the usefulness of the place for me to post on. I never want to have to think before I hit send:What would Buck think of this post? Steve:Who knows, maybe Barry will be a part of it, at some point. Me: If Rick decides to intervene I believe that will be the case. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Et tu Edg? So if he culls one from the herd unfairly, but you don't like the guy anyway it is OK? Say it is not true my brother, say it is not true. It is only when he comes for you that you will get a sense of conscience? Right now, bouncing me would be more trouble than it would be worth, but by the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Judy said: (Goodness knows you don't have the integrity to retract it.) Um, that's exactly the kind of trollery that the dearly departed perfected. YOU'RE NOT A PSYCHIATRIST. Posts at FFL are never enough to decide on someone's integrity. Face it, Judy, you're still smacking back, instead of turning a cheek. Are you really that victimized by anything anyone says here? If you won this argument, if everyone but Curtis backed you up, even then, I don't see you getting happier, but merely going on to the next issue with the same 'tude. Is that a fair assumption on my part? Or have I just trolled you? After all these years, with this new-life spurt here, why not give it a rest? You're much bigger than these tiny shit barbs. Of course, I've made it harder to suck it up, because I'm not a pal, and here am I giving therapeutic advice, but it is what it is. Heh, some of my most commonly recurring truth-concepts have been taught to me by my enemies.I'm talking serious fucking enemies who left still deeply red scars on my soulso I have to bat away thoughts about them when I dwell with the truths they taught. It just so sucks, eh? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : (snip) So far Doug has stonewalled us on his reasons for banning Barry. So some are making up their own to cover this glaring gap. Nope, that's a story *you* made up. Nobody's doing that. When I first saw Barry's warcry of defiance--that he was going to ignore Doug--I thought, Whoops, he's gone too far this time; that's going to get him bounced. That was before we knew there was going to *be* an explanatory gap. And I still think that's what pushed him over the edge of Doug's tolerance. Your post to me, Curtis, is flapping limply in the breeze at the moment. I'll get to it later this afternoon. In the meantime, you might just want to look up that post of Ann's I mentioned so you can at least limit your embarrassment over your Doug-twisted-Rick's-arm story by not repeating it. (Goodness knows you don't have the integrity to retract it.)
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Ya hear that, Doug. Run the fu*k with this. This is how a lot of us feel. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : The way I look at it, Buck simply had the guts and finally the authority to give Barry what he couldn't give himself—a little self-discipline. It's a breath of fresh air and I am 100% in favor of this change—at least for the present time. Perhaps FFL will flower after the manure has had time to mix in. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : O yeah, I had forgotten Bucky wanted to shut FFL down - but he got better than that, now he is the main-most person in charge! From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 10:51 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines Et tu Edg? So if he culls one from the herd unfairly, but you don't like the guy anyway it is OK? Say it is not true my brother, say it is not true. It is only when he comes for you that you will get a sense of conscience? Right now, bouncing me would be more trouble than it would be worth, but by the criteria already used, I am just as vulnerable and so are you. If the criteria is held in secret and is whatever the F he feels like then it is just a matter of time until only the Age of Enlightenment News gets broadcast here. And before I am accused of the slippery slope fallacy, I lived this exact brand of control in the same movement Buck was trained in. He is already referring to opposing his banning with zero accountability as nitpicking. Do you care that he lied about Rick being behind this ban with him? Have you ever been in a room where some sanctimonious prick came bustling in and said Maharishi wants _. And then you find out later that it was just his idea and he wanted to silence dissent ahead of time by invoking Maharishi's name? Before he found this angle Buck was advocating shutting down FFL. He has no love for free discussion here. I challenge anyone to repost any time he has engaged in a back and forth discussion with a participant here, the kind you and I value. Just one. And I double dare anyone to post one where he shows up as a genuine person talking to another adult instead of this constant condescension, first veiled by persona and now in the open. Edg, do ya hear me! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug? Will he bounce others? I don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that. Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough. So? Yeah, abusive. So? I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this shows his, um, forbearance? Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL, Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech. Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position. I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the so-called guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have done thus far spam removed.
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Nope, that's a story *you* made up. Nobody's doing that.
You are full of it Judy - show us the post where Doug gave the explanation.
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FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 12:35 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote :
(snip)
So far Doug has stonewalled us on his reasons for banning Barry. So some are
making up their own to cover this glaring gap.
Nope, that's a story *you* made up. Nobody's doing that.
When I first saw Barry's warcry of defiance--that he was going to ignore
Doug--I thought, Whoops, he's gone too far this time; that's going to get him
bounced. That was before we knew there was going to *be* an explanatory gap.
And I still think that's what pushed him over the edge of Doug's tolerance.
Your post to me, Curtis, is flapping limply in the breeze at the moment. I'll
get to it later this afternoon. In the meantime, you might just want to look up
that post of Ann's I mentioned so you can at least limit your embarrassment
over your Doug-twisted-Rick's-arm story by not repeating it. (Goodness knows
you don't have the integrity to retract it.)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : (snip) So far Doug has stonewalled us on his reasons for banning Barry. So some are making up their own to cover this glaring gap. Nope, that's a story *you* made up. Nobody's doing that. Me: You are saying you know why he got bounced, I am saying I don't. I am not making up anything by pointing out that we have been not been given a reason. You already agreed to this point did you forget? Judy:When I first saw Barry's warcry of defiance--that he was going to ignore Doug--I thought, Whoops, he's gone too far this time; that's going to get him bounced. That was before we knew there was going to *be* an explanatory gap. And I still think that's what pushed him over the edge of Doug's tolerance. Me: And you might just be right. If that was the reason I would object to it. But we haven't been given the exact reason you are guessing. Judy:Your post to me, Curtis, is flapping limply in the breeze at the moment. I'll get to it later this afternoon. Me: Yeah we have some real gems to discuss, I have not forgotten I am just prolonging the pleasure. Judy: In the meantime, you might just want to look up that post of Ann's I mentioned so you can at least limit your embarrassment over your Doug-twisted-Rick's-arm story by not repeating it. (Goodness knows you don't have the integrity to retract it.) Me: Overlooking the gratuitous personal shots you are taking at me, I looked for the post and only saw a video response and an attaboy agreement with a post. If it is a reason that stands on its own why don't you repeat it. You are trying to Judy me here, focusing on an insignificant detail that is really just an opinion about an inconsequential detail. I got this impression from Buck's months long campaign here and from communicating with Rick. And perhaps Rick doesn't feel as if he was dogged into this. OK, who cares? If Rick says that isn't how it went down OK, that is his view of it and I would accept that. But as Buck's rotted master used to say: the elephant has two sets of teeth, one for show and one for eating. I wouldn't get too carried away on this extraneous point if I were you.
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Barry had a particularly vicious brand of mean and degrading hostility as a central aspect of his character here. The majority here know this; a few are blind. Oh well...there are other virtual worlds that he can enter and spew his brand of vitriol on, should he so desire. The beautiful thing about the present, is that it is always so. Let him remain presently gone. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : The way I look at it, Buck simply had the guts and finally the authority to give Barry what he couldn't give himself—a little self-discipline. It's a breath of fresh air and I am 100% in favor of this change—at least for the present time. Perhaps FFL will flower after the manure has had time to mix in. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : O yeah, I had forgotten Bucky wanted to shut FFL down - but he got better than that, now he is the main-most person in charge! From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 10:51 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines Et tu Edg? So if he culls one from the herd unfairly, but you don't like the guy anyway it is OK? Say it is not true my brother, say it is not true. It is only when he comes for you that you will get a sense of conscience? Right now, bouncing me would be more trouble than it would be worth, but by the criteria already used, I am just as vulnerable and so are you. If the criteria is held in secret and is whatever the F he feels like then it is just a matter of time until only the Age of Enlightenment News gets broadcast here. And before I am accused of the slippery slope fallacy, I lived this exact brand of control in the same movement Buck was trained in. He is already referring to opposing his banning with zero accountability as nitpicking. Do you care that he lied about Rick being behind this ban with him? Have you ever been in a room where some sanctimonious prick came bustling in and said Maharishi wants _. And then you find out later that it was just his idea and he wanted to silence dissent ahead of time by invoking Maharishi's name? Before he found this angle Buck was advocating shutting down FFL. He has no love for free discussion here. I challenge anyone to repost any time he has engaged in a back and forth discussion with a participant here, the kind you and I value. Just one. And I double dare anyone to post one where he shows up as a genuine person talking to another adult instead of this constant condescension, first veiled by persona and now in the open. Edg, do ya hear me! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug? Will he bounce others? I don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that. Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough. So? Yeah, abusive. So? I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this shows his, um, forbearance? Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: You just saved me some typing time. Excellent, thank you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL, Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech. Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position. I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the so-called guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have done thus far spam removed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Thanks for your feedback. Curtis, I think I get where you are coming from. I think most of us do. As I recall, Doug did provide some explanation, but perhaps you felt it was just weak cover to get rid of someone who was a perceived enemy, or at least constant thorn. Me: It was an explanation so vague that even Judy is left having to invent her own reasons. It was not something we could point to and say, I know where the new line is. Steve: And, what I am saying, which is what I've said before, I'm okay with that. I get that this lessons whatever marginal respect I might have had in some people's eyes. Me: I would never go that far Steve.I just think you are wrong about this. Steve: How bout this. Why don't you let loose with what you feel would get you banned, and see what happens? Me: Jesus H Christ Steve, you remind me of my older brother advising me to put a wire in an electric socket. Steve: But, here's the kicker. How bout stay true to the Curtis we all know here, and who most of us like and respect? Me: I am a bad example. First I don't roll with obvious targets in my writing here. I don't even like to spell out the F word. I don't like to cloud my point in things that give people an excuse to miss my real point. Second, Buck has to lay low until all this blows over or Rick makes a move. It would prove nothing now. Steve: Michael has indicated he's going to resuscitate his anti Bevan, anti MMY, anti JH, anti Brad O'Nash tirades. How boring will that be! But at least, MJ, in my opinion is not a twister of what people say. He is just a straight, down the line, TM, MMY basher. That is tolerable, IMO. Your writing and insights bring a lot to the place. You have some enemies here, but far more appreciate what you post. Anyway, got interrupted and lost my train of thought. Me: Back at you and thanks Steve. We are all just bozos on this bus. I like the place the way it was, YMMV. Send! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : excuse me for interrupting here, Curtis, but this is quite a distortion. Your issue is primarily with Judy, so come on, is this a martyr play of some sort? Me: My issue is with our new moderator. Judy is just a way to keep the discussion lively. S: most others here value your perspective, because, I found it to be pretty straightforward, and civil, and not a self proclaimed agenda to push peoples buttons. so, maybe you are using your standing here to compare yourself to Barry and in that way elevate his status some, but I sure as hell, ain't buying it. Me: I am not sure what you are getting at here. I am not comparing myself to Barry we had completely different focuses of attention here. But how you and I view me is not an issue. It is that if Buck gets it into his head that I have violated his subjective interpretation of vague rules, any of us can be ousted on a whim with zero transparency. And any cries of that is not fair for an individual you like more than Barry will be met the same accountability, none. I believe you are on the wrong side of this Steve, I really do. Steve:and may I also, say, it's quite an exaggeration trying to compare Doug's moderating to MMY's philosphy of management. . Me: We disagree here, I consider this textbook MMY. Steve:As was pointed out. Two trolls have been removed. Nothing more. Me: Calling them both the same name conflates their violations unfairly. And I don't trust your opinion to be the law here any more than you should trust mine. What is trolling is an imprecise term that could at one time or other be applied to most of us here. What is happening here is that rules are being invoked to cover a popularity contest. I object to that kind of moderation for a bunch of adults who were doing just fine without it. Steve:You seem to trying hard, and quite ingeniously, IMO, to make the appropriate sentence where two trolls have been removed, into a great miscarriage of justice. Me: I am not lumping them together, you are. They should not be mentioned in the same discussion of what is going on here. Steve:Barry was a troll. He's not here, and the site is better off for it. And, maybe if you can stick to what has happened, instead of what might, could (and hasn't) happened, then good things will continue. Me: Steve you trolled him right back. And it didn't affect me either way because it was both of your choices to interact that way and I never had to read or be a part of it. That is what freedom is all about. I appreciate your extending the discussion. I am making my case and some buy it and some don't. But I always appreciate your friendly tone with me and respect that you are expressing your POV about a complex topic. I am pro
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Nope, not gonna let you keep promoting this canard. I didn't invent any reasons to cover a vague explanation. It was the first thing that occurred to me when I saw Barry's post: He's going to get bounced for this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Me: It was an explanation so vague that even Judy is left having to invent her own reasons.
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That's because Barry is an interesting person and an asset to FFL. None of us are blind to his sometimes vituperative behavior, but some of us felt I think that his benefits outweighed his negatives. I for one want him back. From: emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 3:45 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines What a fuss! I can't ever, in my time here, remember when such a fuss was made about an expulsion. Rather, Rick and Alex had more often to explain why they *weren't* taking such actions. Just consider it part of the larger social experiment of FFL. See where it goes for a year or forever. It's not like BW didn't have more than his fair share of free speech over the last decade here (or so). There comes a time in life when it may be advisable for some to come face to face with the reality of: 1) What they say and do has an impact on others; 2) That impact can leave a legacy; 3) That legacy may be perceived as negative, if they have crossed the line of decency too many times; 4) There may be consequences to their actions that they have to experience. It is just the way it is—some people need lines in concrete. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Thanks for your feedback. Curtis, I think I get where you are coming from. I think most of us do. As I recall, Doug did provide some explanation, but perhaps you felt it was just weak cover to get rid of someone who was a perceived enemy, or at least constant thorn. Me: It was an explanation so vague that even Judy is left having to invent her own reasons. It was not something we could point to and say, I know where the new line is. Steve: And, what I am saying, which is what I've said before, I'm okay with that. I get that this lessons whatever marginal respect I might have had in some people's eyes. Me: I would never go that far Steve.I just think you are wrong about this. Steve: How bout this. Why don't you let loose with what you feel would get you banned, and see what happens? Me: Jesus H Christ Steve, you remind me of my older brother advising me to put a wire in an electric socket. Steve: But, here's the kicker. How bout stay true to the Curtis we all know here, and who most of us like and respect? Me: I am a bad example. First I don't roll with obvious targets in my writing here. I don't even like to spell out the F word. I don't like to cloud my point in things that give people an excuse to miss my real point. Second, Buck has to lay low until all this blows over or Rick makes a move. It would prove nothing now. Steve: Michael has indicated he's going to resuscitate his anti Bevan, anti MMY, anti JH, anti Brad O'Nash tirades. How boring will that be! But at least, MJ, in my opinion is not a twister of what people say. He is just a straight, down the line, TM, MMY basher. That is tolerable, IMO. Your writing and insights bring a lot to the place. You have some enemies here, but far more appreciate what you post. Anyway, got interrupted and lost my train of thought. Me: Back at you and thanks Steve. We are all just bozos on this bus. I like the place the way it was, YMMV. Send! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : excuse me for interrupting here, Curtis, but this is quite a distortion. Your issue is primarily with Judy, so come on, is this a martyr play of some sort? Me: My issue is with our new moderator. Judy is just a way to keep the discussion lively. S: most others here value your perspective, because, I found it to be pretty straightforward, and civil, and not a self proclaimed agenda to push peoples buttons. so, maybe you are using your standing here to compare yourself to Barry and in that way elevate his status some, but I sure as hell, ain't buying it. Me: I am not sure what you are getting at here. I am not comparing myself to Barry we had completely different focuses of attention here. But how you and I view me is not an issue. It is that if Buck gets it into his head that I have violated his subjective interpretation of vague rules, any of us can be ousted on a whim with zero transparency. And any cries of that is not fair for an individual you like more than Barry will be met the same accountability, none. I believe you are on the wrong side of this Steve, I really do. Steve:and may I also, say, it's quite an exaggeration trying to compare Doug's moderating to MMY's philosphy of management. . Me: We disagree here, I consider this textbook MMY. Steve:As was pointed out. Two trolls have been removed. Nothing more. Me: Calling them both the same name conflates their violations unfairly. And I don't trust your opinion to be the law here any
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
What a fuss! I can't ever, in my time here, remember when such a fuss was made about an expulsion. Rather, Rick and Alex had more often to explain why they *weren't* taking such actions. Just consider it part of the larger social experiment of FFL. See where it goes for a year or forever. It's not like BW didn't have more than his fair share of free speech over the last decade here (or so). There comes a time in life when it may be advisable for some to come face to face with the reality of: 1) What they say and do has an impact on others; 2) That impact can leave a legacy; 3) That legacy may be perceived as negative, if they have crossed the line of decency too many times; 4) There may be consequences to their actions that they have to experience. It is just the way it is—some people need lines in concrete. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Thanks for your feedback. Curtis, I think I get where you are coming from. I think most of us do. As I recall, Doug did provide some explanation, but perhaps you felt it was just weak cover to get rid of someone who was a perceived enemy, or at least constant thorn. Me: It was an explanation so vague that even Judy is left having to invent her own reasons. It was not something we could point to and say, I know where the new line is. Steve: And, what I am saying, which is what I've said before, I'm okay with that. I get that this lessons whatever marginal respect I might have had in some people's eyes. Me: I would never go that far Steve.I just think you are wrong about this. Steve: How bout this. Why don't you let loose with what you feel would get you banned, and see what happens? Me: Jesus H Christ Steve, you remind me of my older brother advising me to put a wire in an electric socket. Steve: But, here's the kicker. How bout stay true to the Curtis we all know here, and who most of us like and respect? Me: I am a bad example. First I don't roll with obvious targets in my writing here. I don't even like to spell out the F word. I don't like to cloud my point in things that give people an excuse to miss my real point. Second, Buck has to lay low until all this blows over or Rick makes a move. It would prove nothing now. Steve: Michael has indicated he's going to resuscitate his anti Bevan, anti MMY, anti JH, anti Brad O'Nash tirades. How boring will that be! But at least, MJ, in my opinion is not a twister of what people say. He is just a straight, down the line, TM, MMY basher. That is tolerable, IMO. Your writing and insights bring a lot to the place. You have some enemies here, but far more appreciate what you post. Anyway, got interrupted and lost my train of thought. Me: Back at you and thanks Steve. We are all just bozos on this bus. I like the place the way it was, YMMV. Send! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : excuse me for interrupting here, Curtis, but this is quite a distortion. Your issue is primarily with Judy, so come on, is this a martyr play of some sort? Me: My issue is with our new moderator. Judy is just a way to keep the discussion lively. S: most others here value your perspective, because, I found it to be pretty straightforward, and civil, and not a self proclaimed agenda to push peoples buttons. so, maybe you are using your standing here to compare yourself to Barry and in that way elevate his status some, but I sure as hell, ain't buying it. Me: I am not sure what you are getting at here. I am not comparing myself to Barry we had completely different focuses of attention here. But how you and I view me is not an issue. It is that if Buck gets it into his head that I have violated his subjective interpretation of vague rules, any of us can be ousted on a whim with zero transparency. And any cries of that is not fair for an individual you like more than Barry will be met the same accountability, none. I believe you are on the wrong side of this Steve, I really do. Steve:and may I also, say, it's quite an exaggeration trying to compare Doug's moderating to MMY's philosphy of management. . Me: We disagree here, I consider this textbook MMY. Steve:As was pointed out. Two trolls have been removed. Nothing more. Me: Calling them both the same name conflates their violations unfairly. And I don't trust your opinion to be the law here any more than you should trust mine. What is trolling is an imprecise term that could at one time or other be applied to most of us here. What is happening here is that rules are being invoked to cover a popularity contest. I object to that kind of moderation for a bunch of adults who were doing just fine without it. Steve:You seem to trying hard, and quite
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : What a fuss! I can't ever, in my time here, remember when such a fuss was made about an expulsion. Rather, Rick and Alex had more often to explain why they *weren't* taking such actions. Just consider it part of the larger social experiment of FFL. See where it goes for a year or forever. It's not like BW didn't have more than his fair share of free speech over the last decade here (or so). There comes a time in life when it may be advisable for some to come face to face with the reality of: 1) What they say and do has an impact on others; 2) That impact can leave a legacy; 3) That legacy may be perceived as negative, if they have crossed the line of decency too many times; 4) There may be consequences to their actions that they have to experience. It is just the way it is—some people need lines in concrete. So it's free speech for all but for a limited time only and if some people don't like you they can end it by catching you out on a trumped up technicality? Gotcha. Goebbels would have loved you. Hey I just proved the cliche that if any argument on the internet goes on long enough someone will get compared to the Nazis. Cool! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Thanks for your feedback. Curtis, I think I get where you are coming from. I think most of us do. As I recall, Doug did provide some explanation, but perhaps you felt it was just weak cover to get rid of someone who was a perceived enemy, or at least constant thorn. Me: It was an explanation so vague that even Judy is left having to invent her own reasons. It was not something we could point to and say, I know where the new line is. Steve: And, what I am saying, which is what I've said before, I'm okay with that. I get that this lessons whatever marginal respect I might have had in some people's eyes. Me: I would never go that far Steve.I just think you are wrong about this. Steve: How bout this. Why don't you let loose with what you feel would get you banned, and see what happens? Me: Jesus H Christ Steve, you remind me of my older brother advising me to put a wire in an electric socket. Steve: But, here's the kicker. How bout stay true to the Curtis we all know here, and who most of us like and respect? Me: I am a bad example. First I don't roll with obvious targets in my writing here. I don't even like to spell out the F word. I don't like to cloud my point in things that give people an excuse to miss my real point. Second, Buck has to lay low until all this blows over or Rick makes a move. It would prove nothing now. Steve: Michael has indicated he's going to resuscitate his anti Bevan, anti MMY, anti JH, anti Brad O'Nash tirades. How boring will that be! But at least, MJ, in my opinion is not a twister of what people say. He is just a straight, down the line, TM, MMY basher. That is tolerable, IMO. Your writing and insights bring a lot to the place. You have some enemies here, but far more appreciate what you post. Anyway, got interrupted and lost my train of thought. Me: Back at you and thanks Steve. We are all just bozos on this bus. I like the place the way it was, YMMV. Send! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : excuse me for interrupting here, Curtis, but this is quite a distortion. Your issue is primarily with Judy, so come on, is this a martyr play of some sort? Me: My issue is with our new moderator. Judy is just a way to keep the discussion lively. S: most others here value your perspective, because, I found it to be pretty straightforward, and civil, and not a self proclaimed agenda to push peoples buttons. so, maybe you are using your standing here to compare yourself to Barry and in that way elevate his status some, but I sure as hell, ain't buying it. Me: I am not sure what you are getting at here. I am not comparing myself to Barry we had completely different focuses of attention here. But how you and I view me is not an issue. It is that if Buck gets it into his head that I have violated his subjective interpretation of vague rules, any of us can be ousted on a whim with zero transparency. And any cries of that is not fair for an individual you like more than Barry will be met the same accountability, none. I believe you are on the wrong side of this Steve, I really do. Steve:and may I also, say, it's quite an exaggeration trying to compare Doug's moderating to MMY's philosphy of management. . Me: We disagree here, I consider this textbook MMY. Steve:As was pointed out. Two trolls have been removed. Nothing more. Me: Calling them both the same name conflates their violations unfairly.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : (snip) So far Doug has stonewalled us on his reasons for banning Barry. So some are making up their own to cover this glaring gap. Nope, that's a story *you* made up. Nobody's doing that. Me: You are saying you know why he got bounced, I am saying I don't. I am not making up anything by pointing out that we have been not been given a reason. You already agreed to this point did you forget? Nobody is making up their own [story] to cover this glaring gap. As I went on to say: Judy:When I first saw Barry's warcry of defiance--that he was going to ignore Doug--I thought, Whoops, he's gone too far this time; that's going to get him bounced. That was before we knew there was going to *be* an explanatory gap. And I still think that's what pushed him over the edge of Doug's tolerance. Me: And you might just be right. If that was the reason I would object to it. But we haven't been given the exact reason you are guessing. Right. But I didn't make up that reason to cover the gap, because I didn't *know* about the gap at the point at which I first figured the post was going to get Barry bounced. Do I need to explain this a few more times before you get it? It's not that complicated. Judy:Your post to me, Curtis, is flapping limply in the breeze at the moment. I'll get to it later this afternoon. Me: Yeah we have some real gems to discuss, I have not forgotten I am just prolonging the pleasure. Judy: In the meantime, you might just want to look up that post of Ann's I mentioned so you can at least limit your embarrassment over your Doug-twisted-Rick's-arm story by not repeating it. (Goodness knows you don't have the integrity to retract it.) Me: Overlooking the gratuitous personal shots you are taking at me, I looked for the post and only saw a video response and an attaboy agreement with a post. If it is a reason that stands on its own why don't you repeat it. Naah. I'm just going to let you keep looking while twisting slowly, slowly in the wind. Those are not, of course, the posts I was referring to. You'll know it when you find it. You are trying to Judy me here, focusing on an insignificant detail that is really just an opinion about an inconsequential detail. Sometimes details can invalidate a point. It's good that you're starting to walk back your original accusation against Doug. As you do, though, be careful that you don't slip on all the pearls scattered about the floor or trip over the fainting couches. I got this impression from Buck's months long campaign here and from communicating with Rick. And perhaps Rick doesn't feel as if he was dogged into this. OK, who cares? If Rick says that isn't how it went down OK, that is his view of it and I would accept that. But as Buck's rotted master used to say: the elephant has two sets of teeth, one for show and one for eating. I wouldn't get too carried away on this extraneous point if I were you.
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This was my response to So some are making up their own... NOT So far Doug has stonewalled us... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Nope, that's a story *you* made up. Nobody's doing that. You are full of it Judy - show us the post where Doug gave the explanation. From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 12:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : (snip) So far Doug has stonewalled us on his reasons for banning Barry. So some are making up their own to cover this glaring gap. Nope, that's a story *you* made up. Nobody's doing that. When I first saw Barry's warcry of defiance--that he was going to ignore Doug--I thought, Whoops, he's gone too far this time; that's going to get him bounced. That was before we knew there was going to *be* an explanatory gap. And I still think that's what pushed him over the edge of Doug's tolerance. Your post to me, Curtis, is flapping limply in the breeze at the moment. I'll get to it later this afternoon. In the meantime, you might just want to look up that post of Ann's I mentioned so you can at least limit your embarrassment over your Doug-twisted-Rick's-arm story by not repeating it. (Goodness knows you don't have the integrity to retract it.)
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My perspective has changed some Curtis, but I'm still holding true, (joke, to you, I guess), to my assertion that I'm glad B is gone, and I'm okay with the pretext. I'd like to see how this place rolls without him. So, yes, Curtis, (and Rick, if you're listening), sometimes the ends do justify the means. Sometimes the exception to the rule, works, (wonders). And if you take a look at your site, Rick, you'll see the place as lightened up some, in spite of this latest dust up. Let it play out, Rick. Listen the input from the women. That, by itself, should tell you something. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Thanks for your feedback. Curtis, I think I get where you are coming from. I think most of us do. As I recall, Doug did provide some explanation, but perhaps you felt it was just weak cover to get rid of someone who was a perceived enemy, or at least constant thorn. Me: It was an explanation so vague that even Judy is left having to invent her own reasons. It was not something we could point to and say, I know where the new line is. Steve: And, what I am saying, which is what I've said before, I'm okay with that. I get that this lessons whatever marginal respect I might have had in some people's eyes. Me: I would never go that far Steve.I just think you are wrong about this. Steve: How bout this. Why don't you let loose with what you feel would get you banned, and see what happens? Me: Jesus H Christ Steve, you remind me of my older brother advising me to put a wire in an electric socket. Steve: But, here's the kicker. How bout stay true to the Curtis we all know here, and who most of us like and respect? Me: I am a bad example. First I don't roll with obvious targets in my writing here. I don't even like to spell out the F word. I don't like to cloud my point in things that give people an excuse to miss my real point. Second, Buck has to lay low until all this blows over or Rick makes a move. It would prove nothing now. Steve: Michael has indicated he's going to resuscitate his anti Bevan, anti MMY, anti JH, anti Brad O'Nash tirades. How boring will that be! But at least, MJ, in my opinion is not a twister of what people say. He is just a straight, down the line, TM, MMY basher. That is tolerable, IMO. Your writing and insights bring a lot to the place. You have some enemies here, but far more appreciate what you post. Anyway, got interrupted and lost my train of thought. Me: Back at you and thanks Steve. We are all just bozos on this bus. I like the place the way it was, YMMV. Send! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : excuse me for interrupting here, Curtis, but this is quite a distortion. Your issue is primarily with Judy, so come on, is this a martyr play of some sort? Me: My issue is with our new moderator. Judy is just a way to keep the discussion lively. S: most others here value your perspective, because, I found it to be pretty straightforward, and civil, and not a self proclaimed agenda to push peoples buttons. so, maybe you are using your standing here to compare yourself to Barry and in that way elevate his status some, but I sure as hell, ain't buying it. Me: I am not sure what you are getting at here. I am not comparing myself to Barry we had completely different focuses of attention here. But how you and I view me is not an issue. It is that if Buck gets it into his head that I have violated his subjective interpretation of vague rules, any of us can be ousted on a whim with zero transparency. And any cries of that is not fair for an individual you like more than Barry will be met the same accountability, none. I believe you are on the wrong side of this Steve, I really do. Steve:and may I also, say, it's quite an exaggeration trying to compare Doug's moderating to MMY's philosphy of management. . Me: We disagree here, I consider this textbook MMY. Steve:As was pointed out. Two trolls have been removed. Nothing more. Me: Calling them both the same name conflates their violations unfairly. And I don't trust your opinion to be the law here any more than you should trust mine. What is trolling is an imprecise term that could at one time or other be applied to most of us here. What is happening here is that rules are being invoked to cover a popularity contest. I object to that kind of moderation for a bunch of adults who were doing just fine without it. Steve:You seem to trying hard, and quite ingeniously, IMO, to make the appropriate sentence where two trolls have been removed, into a great miscarriage of justice. Me: I am not lumping them together, you are. They should not be mentioned in the same discussion of
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Yea, cool, and a little funny, but free speech which is perceived by many as troll baiting, and which has had a demonstrable effect of driving away people, is worth an experiment to see how interaction proceeds without that. You got game? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : What a fuss! I can't ever, in my time here, remember when such a fuss was made about an expulsion. Rather, Rick and Alex had more often to explain why they *weren't* taking such actions. Just consider it part of the larger social experiment of FFL. See where it goes for a year or forever. It's not like BW didn't have more than his fair share of free speech over the last decade here (or so). There comes a time in life when it may be advisable for some to come face to face with the reality of: 1) What they say and do has an impact on others; 2) That impact can leave a legacy; 3) That legacy may be perceived as negative, if they have crossed the line of decency too many times; 4) There may be consequences to their actions that they have to experience. It is just the way it is—some people need lines in concrete. So it's free speech for all but for a limited time only and if some people don't like you they can end it by catching you out on a trumped up technicality? Gotcha. Goebbels would have loved you. Hey I just proved the cliche that if any argument on the internet goes on long enough someone will get compared to the Nazis. Cool! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Thanks for your feedback. Curtis, I think I get where you are coming from. I think most of us do. As I recall, Doug did provide some explanation, but perhaps you felt it was just weak cover to get rid of someone who was a perceived enemy, or at least constant thorn. Me: It was an explanation so vague that even Judy is left having to invent her own reasons. It was not something we could point to and say, I know where the new line is. Steve: And, what I am saying, which is what I've said before, I'm okay with that. I get that this lessons whatever marginal respect I might have had in some people's eyes. Me: I would never go that far Steve.I just think you are wrong about this. Steve: How bout this. Why don't you let loose with what you feel would get you banned, and see what happens? Me: Jesus H Christ Steve, you remind me of my older brother advising me to put a wire in an electric socket. Steve: But, here's the kicker. How bout stay true to the Curtis we all know here, and who most of us like and respect? Me: I am a bad example. First I don't roll with obvious targets in my writing here. I don't even like to spell out the F word. I don't like to cloud my point in things that give people an excuse to miss my real point. Second, Buck has to lay low until all this blows over or Rick makes a move. It would prove nothing now. Steve: Michael has indicated he's going to resuscitate his anti Bevan, anti MMY, anti JH, anti Brad O'Nash tirades. How boring will that be! But at least, MJ, in my opinion is not a twister of what people say. He is just a straight, down the line, TM, MMY basher. That is tolerable, IMO. Your writing and insights bring a lot to the place. You have some enemies here, but far more appreciate what you post. Anyway, got interrupted and lost my train of thought. Me: Back at you and thanks Steve. We are all just bozos on this bus. I like the place the way it was, YMMV. Send! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : excuse me for interrupting here, Curtis, but this is quite a distortion. Your issue is primarily with Judy, so come on, is this a martyr play of some sort? Me: My issue is with our new moderator. Judy is just a way to keep the discussion lively. S: most others here value your perspective, because, I found it to be pretty straightforward, and civil, and not a self proclaimed agenda to push peoples buttons. so, maybe you are using your standing here to compare yourself to Barry and in that way elevate his status some, but I sure as hell, ain't buying it. Me: I am not sure what you are getting at here. I am not comparing myself to Barry we had completely different focuses of attention here. But how you and I view me is not an issue. It is that if Buck gets it into his head that I have violated his subjective interpretation of vague rules, any of us can be ousted on a whim with zero transparency. And any cries of that is not fair for an individual you like more than Barry will be met the same accountability, none. I believe you are on the wrong side of this Steve, I really do. Steve:and may I
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Oh Shelly, you misunderstood me—I wasn't talking about his *right* to free speech. 75 Classic Cow Names http://tutta.hubpages.com/hub/cow-names http://tutta.hubpages.com/hub/cow-names 75 Classic Cow Names http://tutta.hubpages.com/hub/cow-names Cow names are quite easy to come up with, and it can be a lot of fun, too! So have fun in the process of naming your cows and bulls, and read through the f... View on tutta.hubpages.com http://tutta.hubpages.com/hub/cow-names Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : What a fuss! I can't ever, in my time here, remember when such a fuss was made about an expulsion. Rather, Rick and Alex had more often to explain why they *weren't* taking such actions. Just consider it part of the larger social experiment of FFL. See where it goes for a year or forever. It's not like BW didn't have more than his fair share of free speech over the last decade here (or so). There comes a time in life when it may be advisable for some to come face to face with the reality of: 1) What they say and do has an impact on others; 2) That impact can leave a legacy; 3) That legacy may be perceived as negative, if they have crossed the line of decency too many times; 4) There may be consequences to their actions that they have to experience. It is just the way it is—some people need lines in concrete. So it's free speech for all but for a limited time only and if some people don't like you they can end it by catching you out on a trumped up technicality? Gotcha. Goebbels would have loved you. Hey I just proved the cliche that if any argument on the internet goes on long enough someone will get compared to the Nazis. Cool! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Thanks for your feedback. Curtis, I think I get where you are coming from. I think most of us do. As I recall, Doug did provide some explanation, but perhaps you felt it was just weak cover to get rid of someone who was a perceived enemy, or at least constant thorn. Me: It was an explanation so vague that even Judy is left having to invent her own reasons. It was not something we could point to and say, I know where the new line is. Steve: And, what I am saying, which is what I've said before, I'm okay with that. I get that this lessons whatever marginal respect I might have had in some people's eyes. Me: I would never go that far Steve.I just think you are wrong about this. Steve: How bout this. Why don't you let loose with what you feel would get you banned, and see what happens? Me: Jesus H Christ Steve, you remind me of my older brother advising me to put a wire in an electric socket. Steve: But, here's the kicker. How bout stay true to the Curtis we all know here, and who most of us like and respect? Me: I am a bad example. First I don't roll with obvious targets in my writing here. I don't even like to spell out the F word. I don't like to cloud my point in things that give people an excuse to miss my real point. Second, Buck has to lay low until all this blows over or Rick makes a move. It would prove nothing now. Steve: Michael has indicated he's going to resuscitate his anti Bevan, anti MMY, anti JH, anti Brad O'Nash tirades. How boring will that be! But at least, MJ, in my opinion is not a twister of what people say. He is just a straight, down the line, TM, MMY basher. That is tolerable, IMO. Your writing and insights bring a lot to the place. You have some enemies here, but far more appreciate what you post. Anyway, got interrupted and lost my train of thought. Me: Back at you and thanks Steve. We are all just bozos on this bus. I like the place the way it was, YMMV. Send! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : excuse me for interrupting here, Curtis, but this is quite a distortion. Your issue is primarily with Judy, so come on, is this a martyr play of some sort? Me: My issue is with our new moderator. Judy is just a way to keep the discussion lively. S: most others here value your perspective, because, I found it to be pretty straightforward, and civil, and not a self proclaimed agenda to push peoples buttons. so, maybe you are using your standing here to compare yourself to Barry and in that way elevate his status some, but I sure as hell, ain't buying it. Me: I am not sure what you are getting at here. I am not comparing myself to Barry we had completely different focuses of attention here. But how you and I view me is not an issue. It is that if Buck gets it into his head that I have violated his subjective interpretation
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
Right on !! I, Dr. RC endorse this sentiment as well. What I'm hearing from the likes of you Steve, Emily, Ann, Judy, Edg and others is that end justifies the means in case of Barry and I just can't disagree with this sentiment. That getting rid of Barry - as Emily so beautifully stated - Barry's vicious brand of mean and degrading hostility - is a huge bonus for FFL. And this issue is different from the concerns regarding the new moderator Doug on FFL and his unstated reasons for banning Barry. I believe there are concerns about freedom of expression especially anti-Tm opinions but Doug has done nothing so far that leads one to that conclusion. The people who have expressed strong sentiments against Doug haven't banned. Curtis is on a overdrive here (at the behest of Barry?) to weave these stories together and obfuscate the truth, blur the lines between two themes/stories in the way he does best - context switching/stealing (is that how my old man would have called?), in his charming, deceptive, manipulative behavior. Many of us here are well aware of Curtis's tactics and not surprised here. He equates banning Barry to curtailing of freedom of expression and he's just plain wrong. The arguments of others that Barry be just ignored, that everyone is responsible for their content doesn't make any sense for the victims of Barry's malicious lies. Not all of us can be indifferent, many of the posters like Ann, Edg, Emily, Steve are passionate, heart centered individuals and indifference can't be prescribed as a solution to deal with Barry's toxic, noxious rants. Dr. RC. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Ya hear that, Doug. Run the fu*k with this. This is how a lot of us feel. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emily.mae50@... wrote : The way I look at it, Buck simply had the guts and finally the authority to give Barry what he couldn't give himself—a little self-discipline. It's a breath of fresh air and I am 100% in favor of this change—at least for the present time. Perhaps FFL will flower after the manure has had time to mix in. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : O yeah, I had forgotten Bucky wanted to shut FFL down - but he got better than that, now he is the main-most person in charge! From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 10:51 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines Et tu Edg? So if he culls one from the herd unfairly, but you don't like the guy anyway it is OK? Say it is not true my brother, say it is not true. It is only when he comes for you that you will get a sense of conscience? Right now, bouncing me would be more trouble than it would be worth, but by the criteria already used, I am just as vulnerable and so are you. If the criteria is held in secret and is whatever the F he feels like then it is just a matter of time until only the Age of Enlightenment News gets broadcast here. And before I am accused of the slippery slope fallacy, I lived this exact brand of control in the same movement Buck was trained in. He is already referring to opposing his banning with zero accountability as nitpicking. Do you care that he lied about Rick being behind this ban with him? Have you ever been in a room where some sanctimonious prick came bustling in and said Maharishi wants _. And then you find out later that it was just his idea and he wanted to silence dissent ahead of time by invoking Maharishi's name? Before he found this angle Buck was advocating shutting down FFL. He has no love for free discussion here. I challenge anyone to repost any time he has engaged in a back and forth discussion with a participant here, the kind you and I value. Just one. And I double dare anyone to post one where he shows up as a genuine person talking to another adult instead of this constant condescension, first veiled by persona and now in the open. Edg, do ya hear me! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Heh, gotta ask, what's the actual risk of Doug? Will he bounce others? I don't think so. Look at this scurvy's crew's roiling bitching at each other that's going on RIGHT NOW, and he's done nothing about that. Maybe it was a vendetta against the trolls with any reason being enough. So? Yeah, abusive. So? I just don't see this kind of fascism happening again unless someone truly rises to the troll heights -- which was a very high bar being set. Doug chided me about swearing, but nothing since even though I still swear -- this shows his, um, forbearance? Bah, I'm just happy I can post here again without really having to steel myself for the barbs. Short sighted of me, but there it is. If there is a Sword of Damocles, it's a heavy chain holding it up
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have done thus far. Erm, yeah, erm we were all just saying that very same thing. We're dealing with some few nit-pickers of detail but the challenge is very much like the Supreme Court faced in ruling yesterday. There is spirit and intent of law that needs to be taken in to account, just like as Yahoo asks for: Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion, may terminate or remove any content, Group or your Yahoo ID immediately and without notice if (a) Yahoo believes that you have acted inconsistently with the spirit or the letter of the Yahoo Terms of Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, or (b) Yahoo believes you have violated or tried to violate the rights of others. Please help us keep Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience. If you see a Group or content that violates our rules, please let us know by contacting us. The supreme court dealing with this.. From the NPR page: The Supreme Court, however, firmly rejected the challengers' argument, ruling that the overall purpose of the statute was to create a nationwide system of insurance for those who are not insured through work. Chief Justice Roberts said that Congress established a system of interlocking reforms that could not be separated. Lose the subsidies, he said, and history shows that mainly the sick will sign up for insurance; costs will skyrocket, making insurance unaffordable; and insurance plans will be pushed into a death spiral. It is simply implausible that Congress intended such a result, said Roberts. While standing on steady ground I look to the guidelines of civility that Yahoo intended for its groups. Those guidelines are way more than spirit but plain intent. Folks should simply make their contributions to FFL within the chalice which Yahoo holds up to us. Offerings not written well within the spirit and intent of what Yahoo has given us may well fall or bounce out as given. In reformation anew have a nice day, -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; Regrettably as moderators we recently received a compliant having to do with protecting people's privacy on FFL that was actionable. The offending post was removed and the author of the invasion on someone's privacy using FFL, a Yahoo-group, was removed from the community. -JaiGuruYou Your use of Groups is subject to these Guidelines, Keep your content relevant to the group and moderate it correctly. Be courteous. Moderate your content. “Don't threaten, harass, impersonate, or hurt others, and don't invade other people's privacy. ..the group owner may remove your content — or you — from the group altogether. “2. Don't be unkind. Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or ranting.” Exploitative, especially: unfairly or cynically using another person or group for profit or advantage; to use selfishly for one's own ends. Degrading: causing a loss of self-respect; humiliating Belligerence: a warlike or aggressively hostile nature, condition, or attitude. Insult: to speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse. A disrespectful or scornfully abusive remark or action. An insult is an expression, statement (or sometimes behavior) which is disrespectful or scornful. Slur: an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insult them or damage their reputation. Profanity: abusive, vulgar, or irreverent. To Rant, to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild over-vehement way; rave. Keep your content relevant to the group and moderate it correctly. “Don't be unkind”. We depend on each member to help keep it [FFL] a safe, fun, and positive place for everyone. Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion, may terminate or remove any content, Group or your Yahoo ID immediately and without notice if (a) Yahoo believes that you have acted inconsistently with the spirit or the letter of the Yahoo Terms of Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, or (b) Yahoo believes you have violated or tried to violate the rights of others. Please help us keep Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience. If you see a Group or content that violates our rules, please let us know by contacting us [..yahoo-groups]. Yahoo Groups Guidelines https://policies.yahoo.com/us/en/yahoo/guidelines/groups/index.htm Yahoo Groups Guidelines https://policies.yahoo.com/us/en/yahoo/guidelines/groups/index.htm Yahoo Groups helps you connect with groups of people who share your interests and passions. We depend on each member to help keep it a safe, fun, and positive place for everyone. View on
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reaffirming The Yahoo-Groups Guidelines
But the spirit of FFL was far more interesting than this drivel, and in 10 years Yahoo never made any attempt to change or alter what happened on FFL, Yahoo really does not care what happens in their groups unless it somehow affects them financially. You are also incorrect in using the term re-moderation. This group was moderated, with a light and just hand that allowed far more than now, true freedom of speech. Your lack of transparency in the issues you have handled so far reveals the dark, covert spirit that dwells within. This clandestine spirit is the enemy of truth seeking, and I for one, vote for your removal from this position. I see you have resumed spamming FFL, and this is also a violation of the so-called guidelines. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Friends of FFL; I feel we are moving very much within the spirit and intent of letter of the Yahoo-groups guidelines in the re-moderation we have done thus far spam removed.
