[FairfieldLife] Re: Sustainability of TM
Sorry Sal, you claimed the tracks from the tractors of the farmers were part of the Crop Circle design. There is therefore no reason to take anything you say on this matter seriously.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sustainability of TM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "All the communes under consideration have as their bond of > > > > > > > > > union some form of religious belief. It is asserted by some > > > > > > > > > writers who theorize about communism that a commune can not > > > > > > > > > exist long without some fanatical religious thought as its > > > > > > > > > cementing force; while others assert with equal positiveness > > > > > > > > > that it is possible to maintain a commune in which the > > > > > > > > > members shall have diverse and diverging beliefs in religious > > > > > > > > > matters. It seems to me that both these theories are wrong; > > > > > > > > > but that it is true that a commune to exist harmoniously, > > > > > > > > > must be composed of persons who are of one mind upon some > > > > > > > > > question which to them shall appear so important as to take > > > > > > > > > the place of a religion, if it is not essentially religious; > > > > > > > > > though it need not be fanatically held." -Nordhoff (1875) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That paragraph is particularly useful criticism. The communal 'Reason > > > > > to be'. > > > > > > > > > > > > "The Challenge of Sustainability" > > "The success and failure of intentional communities can be assessed according > to various criteria. The list proposed many years ago by anthropologist Jon > Wagner remains serviceable, although Wagner wrote before the appearance of > the term "sustainability," which clearly needs to be added to his list. > The 'Meaning of Sustainability'. This is not the place to undertake a > thorough review of definitions, though I will throw in my lot with those who > argue that sustainability encompasses three aspects: environmental (or > biogeophysical), economic, and social. Scholars of communitarianism > routinely deal with the economic and social viability of intentional > communities." -Andelson (2011) > > That is all fine yet of course missing from the common academic assessment of > intentional community is a spiritual community that lives and dies by the > experience of shakti, by spiritual experience. This is a fourth aspect that > is not often discerned. In viewing the life-cycle of longevity and > sustainability of spiritual groups, a scale of spiritual experience in the > group often lacks a handle in academia. I'd propose that sustainability of > spiritual communal groups is much better understood looking at their > spiritual vitality than simply at environment, economic or social > organization. The later three follow after the relative spirituality of a > group at hand. Groups form around shakti (spiritual experience) and rise > and fall accordingly. -Buck in FF > > > > > > > > > > > > > Communal groups looked at this way, then there becomes a calculus between degree of spiritual experience and the contingency of doctrine that groups in their life-cycle (sustainability) can be plotted along. This short quote does a good job of succinctly discerning these variables for spiritual communal groups: "When religion grows in age, faith turns into dogma, and experience is replaced by book- knowledge, virtue by adherence to rules, devotion by ritual, meditation by metaphysical speculation. The time is then ripe for a rediscovery of truth and a fresh attempt to give it expression in life." (Lama Govinda) > > > > > > > > > > > > Within the TM community evidently there are progressive (secular) > > > > Hagelin-ites who would like to see people meditating (doing TM) for > > > > good reasons as a common bond on the one hand, and then the reactionary > > > > conservative Bevanistas or "Maharishi-saids" on the other hand who > > > > fight (often ruthlessly) for their doctrine of faith and belief in > > > > Maharishi. > > > > > > > > The long-term TM meditating numbers parsed seem to show the > > > > Bevan-nistas to be winning out, with progressive TM in a rear-guard > > > > decline. (late 2011) http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking inside at real TM TM-TB-er meetings > > > the conservative Maharishi doctrinal reactionary elements of TM are > > > motivated in their faith recited this way, particularly including the > > > last lines: > > > > > > Saha nav avatu > > > Saha nav bhunaktu > > > Saha Viryam karava yahai > > > Tejasvi na vadhitam a stu > > > Ma vidisavahai > > > > > > > > > Let us be together > > > Let us eat together > > > Let us be vital together > > > Let us be Radiating Truth > > > Let us Be radiating the light of life > > > Never shall we denounce anyone > > > Never entertain negativity. > > > > > > > > > The TM-progressives by contrast are more narrowly practitioners. > > The practice as such is more simply self-evident for the progressives. > > They are more compelled by their own meditations > > or the size of the group meditation they can sit in. > > A
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sustainability of TM
> > > > > > > > > > "All the communes under consideration have as their bond of > > > > > > > > union some form of religious belief. It is asserted by some > > > > > > > > writers who theorize about communism that a commune can not > > > > > > > > exist long without some fanatical religious thought as its > > > > > > > > cementing force; while others assert with equal positiveness > > > > > > > > that it is possible to maintain a commune in which the members > > > > > > > > shall have diverse and diverging beliefs in religious matters. > > > > > > > > It seems to me that both these theories are wrong; but that it > > > > > > > > is true that a commune to exist harmoniously, must be composed > > > > > > > > of persons who are of one mind upon some question which to them > > > > > > > > shall appear so important as to take the place of a religion, > > > > > > > > if it is not essentially religious; though it need not be > > > > > > > > fanatically held." -Nordhoff (1875) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That paragraph is particularly useful criticism. The communal 'Reason > > > > to be'. > > > > > > > > "The Challenge of Sustainability" "The success and failure of intentional communities can be assessed according to various criteria. The list proposed many years ago by anthropologist Jon Wagner remains serviceable, although Wagner wrote before the appearance of the term "sustainability," which clearly needs to be added to his list. The 'Meaning of Sustainability'. This is not the place to undertake a thorough review of definitions, though I will throw in my lot with those who argue that sustainability encompasses three aspects: environmental (or biogeophysical), economic, and social. Scholars of communitarianism routinely deal with the economic and social viability of intentional communities." -Andelson (2011) That is all fine yet of course missing from the common academic assessment of intentional community is a spiritual community that lives and dies by the experience of shakti, by spiritual experience. This is a fourth aspect that is not often discerned. In viewing the life-cycle of longevity and sustainability of spiritual groups, a scale of spiritual experience in the group often lacks a handle in academia. I'd propose that sustainability of spiritual communal groups is much better understood looking at their spiritual vitality than simply at environment, economic or social organization. The later three follow after the relative spirituality of a group at hand. Groups form around shakti (spiritual experience) and rise and fall accordingly. -Buck in FF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Within the TM community evidently there are progressive (secular) > > > Hagelin-ites who would like to see people meditating (doing TM) for good > > > reasons as a common bond on the one hand, and then the reactionary > > > conservative Bevanistas or "Maharishi-saids" on the other hand who fight > > > (often ruthlessly) for their doctrine of faith and belief in Maharishi. > > > > > > The long-term TM meditating numbers parsed seem to show the Bevan-nistas > > > to be winning out, with progressive TM in a rear-guard decline. (late > > > 2011) http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html > > > > > > > > > > > Looking inside at real TM TM-TB-er meetings > > the conservative Maharishi doctrinal reactionary elements of TM are > > motivated in their faith recited this way, particularly including the last > > lines: > > > > Saha nav avatu > > Saha nav bhunaktu > > Saha Viryam karava yahai > > Tejasvi na vadhitam a stu > > Ma vidisavahai > > > > > > Let us be together > > Let us eat together > > Let us be vital together > > Let us be Radiating Truth > > Let us Be radiating the light of life > > Never shall we denounce anyone > > Never entertain negativity. > > > > > The TM-progressives by contrast are more narrowly practitioners. > The practice as such is more simply self-evident for the progressives. > They are more compelled by their own meditations > or the size of the group meditation they can sit in. > As an element they are more essentially experiential and secular as > TM-progressives. > > The relationship for TM-progressives with the TM-movement is > more practical and about facilitating the spiritual practice. > Such as in this TM-movement gathering statement: > > "The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is > to join the Invincible America Course at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers, rising to > 2500, in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and > defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world." (2011) > > > http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html > > > > > > > > > > > "These seventy-two communes make but little noise in the world; they > > > > > live quiet and peaceful lives, and do not like to admit strangers to > > > > > their privacy." -N
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sustainability of TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Within the TM community evidently there are progressive (secular) > > Hagelin-ites who would like to see people meditating (doing TM) for good > > reasons as a common bond on the one hand, and then the reactionary > > conservative Bevanistas or "Maharishi-saids" on the other hand who fight > > (often ruthlessly) for their doctrine of faith and belief in Maharishi. > > > > The long-term TM meditating numbers parsed seem to show the Bevan-nistas to > > be winning out, with progressive TM in a rear-guard decline. (late 2011) > > http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html > > > > > > > Looking inside at real TM TM-TB-er meetings > the conservative Maharishi doctrinal reactionary elements of TM are motivated > in their faith recited this way, particularly including the last lines: > > Saha nav avatu > Saha nav bhunaktu > Saha Viryam karava yahai > Tejasvi na vadhitam a stu > Ma vidisavahai > > > Let us be together > Let us eat together > Let us be vital together > Let us be Radiating Truth > Let us Be radiating the light of life > Never shall we denounce anyone > Never entertain negativity. > The TM-progressives by contrast are more narrowly practitioners. The practice as such is more simply self-evident for the progressives. They are more compelled by their own meditations or the size of the group meditation they can sit in. As an element they are more essentially experiential and secular as TM-progressives. The relationship for TM-progressives with the TM-movement is more practical and about facilitating the spiritual practice. Such as in this TM-movement gathering statement: "The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility and world peace is to join the Invincible America Course at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers, rising to 2500, in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world." (2011) http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html > > > > > > > "All the communes under consideration have as their bond of union > > > > > > > some form of religious belief. It is asserted by some writers > > > > > > > who theorize about communism that a commune can not exist long > > > > > > > without some fanatical religious thought as its cementing force; > > > > > > > while others assert with equal positiveness that it is possible > > > > > > > to maintain a commune in which the members shall have diverse and > > > > > > > diverging beliefs in religious matters. It seems to me that both > > > > > > > these theories are wrong; but that it is true that a commune to > > > > > > > exist harmoniously, must be composed of persons who are of one > > > > > > > mind upon some question which to them shall appear so important > > > > > > > as to take the place of a religion, if it is not essentially > > > > > > > religious; though it need not be fanatically held." -Nordhoff > > > > > > > (1875) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That paragraph is particularly useful criticism. The communal 'Reason to > > > be'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "These seventy-two communes make but little noise in the world; they > > > > live quiet and peaceful lives, and do not like to admit strangers to > > > > their privacy." -Nordhoff (1875) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "All the communes under consideration have as their bond of union > > > > > > > some form of religious belief. It is asserted by some writers > > > > > > > who theorize about communism that a commune can not exist long > > > > > > > without some fanatical religious thought as its cementing force; > > > > > > > while others assert with equal positiveness that it is possible > > > > > > > to maintain a commune in which the members shall have diverse and > > > > > > > diverging beliefs in religious matters. It seems to me that both > > > > > > > these theories are wrong; but that it is true that a commune to > > > > > > > exist harmoniously, must be composed of persons who are of one > > > > > > > mind upon some question which to them shall appear so important > > > > > > > as to take the place of a religion, if it is not essentially > > > > > > > religious; though it need not be fanatically held." -Nordhoff > > > > > > > (1875) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Moreover- and this is another important consideration- I am > > > > > > satisfied that during its accumulation the Commun(-al)ists enjoyed > > > > > > a greater amount of comfort, and vastly greater security against > > > > > > want and demoralization, than were attained by their neighbors or > > > > > > the surrounding population, with better schools and opportunities > > > > > > of training for their children, and far less exposure for the > > > > > > women, and the aged and infirm." -Nordhoff (1875) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "It will be seen
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sustainability of TM
> > > Within the TM community evidently there are progressive (secular) > Hagelin-ites who would like to see people meditating (doing TM) for good > reasons as a common bond on the one hand, and then the reactionary > conservative Bevanistas or "Maharishi-saids" on the other hand who fight > (often ruthlessly) for their doctrine of faith and belief in Maharishi. > > The long-term TM meditating numbers parsed seem to show the Bevan-nistas to > be winning out, with progressive TM in a rear-guard decline. (late 2011) > http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html > > > Looking inside at real TM TM-TB-er meetings the conservative Maharishi doctrinal reactionary elements of TM are motivated in their faith recited this way, particularly including the last lines: Saha nav avatu Saha nav bhunaktu Saha Viryam karava yahai Tejasvi na vadhitam a stu Ma vidisavahai Let us be together Let us eat together Let us be vital together Let us be Radiating Truth Let us Be radiating the light of life Never shall we denounce anyone Never entertain negativity. > > > > > > "All the communes under consideration have as their bond of union > > > > > > some form of religious belief. It is asserted by some writers who > > > > > > theorize about communism that a commune can not exist long without > > > > > > some fanatical religious thought as its cementing force; while > > > > > > others assert with equal positiveness that it is possible to > > > > > > maintain a commune in which the members shall have diverse and > > > > > > diverging beliefs in religious matters. It seems to me that both > > > > > > these theories are wrong; but that it is true that a commune to > > > > > > exist harmoniously, must be composed of persons who are of one mind > > > > > > upon some question which to them shall appear so important as to > > > > > > take the place of a religion, if it is not essentially religious; > > > > > > though it need not be fanatically held." -Nordhoff (1875) > > > > > > > > > > > > That paragraph is particularly useful criticism. The communal 'Reason to > > be'. > > > > > > > > > > "These seventy-two communes make but little noise in the world; they live > > > quiet and peaceful lives, and do not like to admit strangers to their > > > privacy." -Nordhoff (1875) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "All the communes under consideration have as their bond of union > > > > > > some form of religious belief. It is asserted by some writers who > > > > > > theorize about communism that a commune can not exist long without > > > > > > some fanatical religious thought as its cementing force; while > > > > > > others assert with equal positiveness that it is possible to > > > > > > maintain a commune in which the members shall have diverse and > > > > > > diverging beliefs in religious matters. It seems to me that both > > > > > > these theories are wrong; but that it is true that a commune to > > > > > > exist harmoniously, must be composed of persons who are of one mind > > > > > > upon some question which to them shall appear so important as to > > > > > > take the place of a religion, if it is not essentially religious; > > > > > > though it need not be fanatically held." -Nordhoff (1875) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Moreover- and this is another important consideration- I am > > > > > satisfied that during its accumulation the Commun(-al)ists enjoyed a > > > > > greater amount of comfort, and vastly greater security against want > > > > > and demoralization, than were attained by their neighbors or the > > > > > surrounding population, with better schools and opportunities of > > > > > training for their children, and far less exposure for the women, and > > > > > the aged and infirm." -Nordhoff (1875) > > > > > > > > > > > > > "It will be seen that the oldest of these communes have existed for > > > > eighty years; the youngest cited here for review has been founded > > > > twenty-two years. Of all, only two societies remain under their > > > > guidance of their founders; ... The common assertion that a commune > > > > must break up on the death of its founder would thus appear to be > > > > erroneous." -Nordhoff (1875) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TM is based on the creative function of the unified field, the > > > > > > > vast ocean of nothingness. Physicists are now discovering that > > > > > > > the universe is made up mostly of dark energy and dark matter. > > > > > > > Both account for 96 percent of the total constituent of the > > > > > > > universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The predominance of dark energy shows that the vacuum of the > > > > > > > universe is highly unstable and is fueling the the expansion and > > > > > > > acceleration of the universe. In Maharishi-speak, this confirms > > > > > > > the infinite c
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sustainability of TM
Within the TM community evidently there are progressive (secular) Hagelin-ites who would like to see people meditating (doing TM) for good reasons as a common bond on the one hand, and then the reactionary conservative Bevanistas or "Maharishi-saids" on the other hand who fight (often ruthlessly) for their doctrine of faith and belief in Maharishi. The long-term numbers parsed seem to show the Bevan-nistas to be winning out, with progressive TM in a rear-guard decline. (late 2011) http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html > > > > > > "All the communes under consideration have as their bond of union > > > > > some form of religious belief. It is asserted by some writers who > > > > > theorize about communism that a commune can not exist long without > > > > > some fanatical religious thought as its cementing force; while others > > > > > assert with equal positiveness that it is possible to maintain a > > > > > commune in which the members shall have diverse and diverging beliefs > > > > > in religious matters. It seems to me that both these theories are > > > > > wrong; but that it is true that a commune to exist harmoniously, must > > > > > be composed of persons who are of one mind upon some question which > > > > > to them shall appear so important as to take the place of a religion, > > > > > if it is not essentially religious; though it need not be fanatically > > > > > held." -Nordhoff (1875) > > > > > > > > That paragraph is particularly useful criticism. The communal 'Reason to be'. > > > > > > "These seventy-two communes make but little noise in the world; they live > > quiet and peaceful lives, and do not like to admit strangers to their > > privacy." -Nordhoff (1875) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "All the communes under consideration have as their bond of union > > > > > some form of religious belief. It is asserted by some writers who > > > > > theorize about communism that a commune can not exist long without > > > > > some fanatical religious thought as its cementing force; while others > > > > > assert with equal positiveness that it is possible to maintain a > > > > > commune in which the members shall have diverse and diverging beliefs > > > > > in religious matters. It seems to me that both these theories are > > > > > wrong; but that it is true that a commune to exist harmoniously, must > > > > > be composed of persons who are of one mind upon some question which > > > > > to them shall appear so important as to take the place of a religion, > > > > > if it is not essentially religious; though it need not be fanatically > > > > > held." -Nordhoff (1875) > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Moreover- and this is another important consideration- I am satisfied > > > > that during its accumulation the Commun(-al)ists enjoyed a greater > > > > amount of comfort, and vastly greater security against want and > > > > demoralization, than were attained by their neighbors or the > > > > surrounding population, with better schools and opportunities of > > > > training for their children, and far less exposure for the women, and > > > > the aged and infirm." -Nordhoff (1875) > > > > > > > > > > "It will be seen that the oldest of these communes have existed for > > > eighty years; the youngest cited here for review has been founded > > > twenty-two years. Of all, only two societies remain under their guidance > > > of their founders; ... The common assertion that a commune must break up > > > on the death of its founder would thus appear to be erroneous." > > > -Nordhoff (1875) > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > TM is based on the creative function of the unified field, the vast > > > > > > ocean of nothingness. Physicists are now discovering that the > > > > > > universe is made up mostly of dark energy and dark matter. Both > > > > > > account for 96 percent of the total constituent of the universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > The predominance of dark energy shows that the vacuum of the > > > > > > universe is highly unstable and is fueling the the expansion and > > > > > > acceleration of the universe. In Maharishi-speak, this confirms > > > > > > the infinite creativity and dynamism of the unified field. > > > > > > > > > > > > By attuning to this unified field, one gains the power of the dark > > > > > > energy that science has discovered, which can be experienced in the > > > > > > human physiology as "bliss". > > > > > > > > > > > > So, MMY's ideas are very much in keeping with recent scientific > > > > > > discoveries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As doctrine of faith and belief in Maharishi > > > > > > > versus > > > > > > > the practicing of the technique. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A TM-
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sustainability of TM
> > > > "All the communes under consideration have as their bond of union some > > > > form of religious belief. It is asserted by some writers who theorize > > > > about communism that a commune can not exist long without some > > > > fanatical religious thought as its cementing force; while others assert > > > > with equal positiveness that it is possible to maintain a commune in > > > > which the members shall have diverse and diverging beliefs in religious > > > > matters. It seems to me that both these theories are wrong; but that > > > > it is true that a commune to exist harmoniously, must be composed of > > > > persons who are of one mind upon some question which to them shall > > > > appear so important as to take the place of a religion, if it is not > > > > essentially religious; though it need not be fanatically held." > > > > -Nordhoff (1875) > > > > That paragraph is particularly useful criticism. The communal 'Reason to be'. > > "These seventy-two communes make but little noise in the world; they live > quiet and peaceful lives, and do not like to admit strangers to their > privacy." -Nordhoff (1875) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "All the communes under consideration have as their bond of union some > > > > form of religious belief. It is asserted by some writers who theorize > > > > about communism that a commune can not exist long without some > > > > fanatical religious thought as its cementing force; while others assert > > > > with equal positiveness that it is possible to maintain a commune in > > > > which the members shall have diverse and diverging beliefs in religious > > > > matters. It seems to me that both these theories are wrong; but that > > > > it is true that a commune to exist harmoniously, must be composed of > > > > persons who are of one mind upon some question which to them shall > > > > appear so important as to take the place of a religion, if it is not > > > > essentially religious; though it need not be fanatically held." > > > > -Nordhoff (1875) > > > > > > > > > > "Moreover- and this is another important consideration- I am satisfied > > > that during its accumulation the Commun(-al)ists enjoyed a greater amount > > > of comfort, and vastly greater security against want and demoralization, > > > than were attained by their neighbors or the surrounding population, with > > > better schools and opportunities of training for their children, and far > > > less exposure for the women, and the aged and infirm." -Nordhoff (1875) > > > > > > > "It will be seen that the oldest of these communes have existed for eighty > > years; the youngest cited here for review has been founded twenty-two > > years. Of all, only two societies remain under their guidance of their > > founders; ... The common assertion that a commune must break up on the > > death of its founder would thus appear to be erroneous." -Nordhoff (1875) > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > TM is based on the creative function of the unified field, the vast > > > > > ocean of nothingness. Physicists are now discovering that the > > > > > universe is made up mostly of dark energy and dark matter. Both > > > > > account for 96 percent of the total constituent of the universe. > > > > > > > > > > The predominance of dark energy shows that the vacuum of the universe > > > > > is highly unstable and is fueling the the expansion and acceleration > > > > > of the universe. In Maharishi-speak, this confirms the infinite > > > > > creativity and dynamism of the unified field. > > > > > > > > > > By attuning to this unified field, one gains the power of the dark > > > > > energy that science has discovered, which can be experienced in the > > > > > human physiology as "bliss". > > > > > > > > > > So, MMY's ideas are very much in keeping with recent scientific > > > > > discoveries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > As doctrine of faith and belief in Maharishi > > > > > > versus > > > > > > the practicing of the technique. > > > > > > > > > > > > A TM-movement that tests for faith on the one hand, > > > > > > or just facilitates its practitioners on the other. > > > > > > > > > > > > Will the movement be sustaining, > > > > > > > > > > > > what would promote its sustainability? > > > > > > > > > > > > Are the numbers sustainable as it is? > > > > > > > > > > > > What should the TM-Rajas do? > > > > > > > > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sustainability of TM
"These seventy-two communes make but little noise in the world; they live quiet and peaceful lives, and do not like to admit strangers to their privacy." -Nordhoff (1875) > > > > > > > > > > > > "All the communes under consideration have as their bond of union some > > > form of religious belief. It is asserted by some writers who theorize > > > about communism that a commune can not exist long without some fanatical > > > religious thought as its cementing force; while others assert with equal > > > positiveness that it is possible to maintain a commune in which the > > > members shall have diverse and diverging beliefs in religious matters. > > > It seems to me that both these theories are wrong; but that it is true > > > that a commune to exist harmoniously, must be composed of persons who are > > > of one mind upon some question which to them shall appear so important as > > > to take the place of a religion, if it is not essentially religious; > > > though it need not be fanatically held." -Nordhoff (1875) > > > > > > > "Moreover- and this is another important consideration- I am satisfied that > > during its accumulation the Commun(-al)ists enjoyed a greater amount of > > comfort, and vastly greater security against want and demoralization, than > > were attained by their neighbors or the surrounding population, with better > > schools and opportunities of training for their children, and far less > > exposure for the women, and the aged and infirm." -Nordhoff (1875) > > > > "It will be seen that the oldest of these communes have existed for eighty > years; the youngest cited here for review has been founded twenty-two years. > Of all, only two societies remain under their guidance of their founders; ... > The common assertion that a commune must break up on the death of its > founder would thus appear to be erroneous." -Nordhoff (1875) > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > TM is based on the creative function of the unified field, the vast > > > > ocean of nothingness. Physicists are now discovering that the universe > > > > is made up mostly of dark energy and dark matter. Both account for 96 > > > > percent of the total constituent of the universe. > > > > > > > > The predominance of dark energy shows that the vacuum of the universe > > > > is highly unstable and is fueling the the expansion and acceleration of > > > > the universe. In Maharishi-speak, this confirms the infinite > > > > creativity and dynamism of the unified field. > > > > > > > > By attuning to this unified field, one gains the power of the dark > > > > energy that science has discovered, which can be experienced in the > > > > human physiology as "bliss". > > > > > > > > So, MMY's ideas are very much in keeping with recent scientific > > > > discoveries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > As doctrine of faith and belief in Maharishi > > > > > versus > > > > > the practicing of the technique. > > > > > > > > > > A TM-movement that tests for faith on the one hand, > > > > > or just facilitates its practitioners on the other. > > > > > > > > > > Will the movement be sustaining, > > > > > > > > > > what would promote its sustainability? > > > > > > > > > > Are the numbers sustainable as it is? > > > > > > > > > > What should the TM-Rajas do? > > > > > > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sustainability of TM
> > > > > > > "All the communes under consideration have as their bond of union some form > > of religious belief. It is asserted by some writers who theorize about > > communism that a commune can not exist long without some fanatical > > religious thought as its cementing force; while others assert with equal > > positiveness that it is possible to maintain a commune in which the members > > shall have diverse and diverging beliefs in religious matters. It seems to > > me that both these theories are wrong; but that it is true that a commune > > to exist harmoniously, must be composed of persons who are of one mind upon > > some question which to them shall appear so important as to take the place > > of a religion, if it is not essentially religious; though it need not be > > fanatically held." -Nordhoff (1875) > > > > "Moreover- and this is another important consideration- I am satisfied that > during its accumulation the Commun(-al)ists enjoyed a greater amount of > comfort, and vastly greater security against want and demoralization, than > were attained by their neighbors or the surrounding population, with better > schools and opportunities of training for their children, and far less > exposure for the women, and the aged and infirm." -Nordhoff (1875) > "It will be seen that the oldest of these communes have existed for eighty years; the youngest cited here for review has been founded twenty-two years. Of all, only two societies remain under their guidance of their founders; ... The common assertion that a commune must break up on the death of its founder would thus appear to be erroneous." -Nordhoff (1875) > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > TM is based on the creative function of the unified field, the vast ocean > > > of nothingness. Physicists are now discovering that the universe is made > > > up mostly of dark energy and dark matter. Both account for 96 percent of > > > the total constituent of the universe. > > > > > > The predominance of dark energy shows that the vacuum of the universe is > > > highly unstable and is fueling the the expansion and acceleration of the > > > universe. In Maharishi-speak, this confirms the infinite creativity and > > > dynamism of the unified field. > > > > > > By attuning to this unified field, one gains the power of the dark energy > > > that science has discovered, which can be experienced in the human > > > physiology as "bliss". > > > > > > So, MMY's ideas are very much in keeping with recent scientific > > > discoveries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > As doctrine of faith and belief in Maharishi > > > > versus > > > > the practicing of the technique. > > > > > > > > A TM-movement that tests for faith on the one hand, > > > > or just facilitates its practitioners on the other. > > > > > > > > Will the movement be sustaining, > > > > > > > > what would promote its sustainability? > > > > > > > > Are the numbers sustainable as it is? > > > > > > > > What should the TM-Rajas do? > > > > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sustainability of TM
> > > "All the communes under consideration have as their bond of union some form > of religious belief. It is asserted by some writers who theorize about > communism that a commune can not exist long without some fanatical religious > thought as its cementing force; while others assert with equal positiveness > that it is possible to maintain a commune in which the members shall have > diverse and diverging beliefs in religious matters. It seems to me that both > these theories are wrong; but that it is true that a commune to exist > harmoniously, must be composed of persons who are of one mind upon some > question which to them shall appear so important as to take the place of a > religion, if it is not essentially religious; though it need not be > fanatically held." -Nordhoff (1875) > "Moreover- and this is another important consideration- I am satisfied that during its accumulation the Commun(-al)ists enjoyed a greater amount of comfort, and vastly greater security against want and demoralization, than were attained by their neighbors or the surrounding population, with better schools and opportunities of training for their children, and far less exposure for the women, and the aged and infirm." -Nordhoff (1875) > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > TM is based on the creative function of the unified field, the vast ocean > > of nothingness. Physicists are now discovering that the universe is made > > up mostly of dark energy and dark matter. Both account for 96 percent of > > the total constituent of the universe. > > > > The predominance of dark energy shows that the vacuum of the universe is > > highly unstable and is fueling the the expansion and acceleration of the > > universe. In Maharishi-speak, this confirms the infinite creativity and > > dynamism of the unified field. > > > > By attuning to this unified field, one gains the power of the dark energy > > that science has discovered, which can be experienced in the human > > physiology as "bliss". > > > > So, MMY's ideas are very much in keeping with recent scientific discoveries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > As doctrine of faith and belief in Maharishi > > > versus > > > the practicing of the technique. > > > > > > A TM-movement that tests for faith on the one hand, > > > or just facilitates its practitioners on the other. > > > > > > Will the movement be sustaining, > > > > > > what would promote its sustainability? > > > > > > Are the numbers sustainable as it is? > > > > > > What should the TM-Rajas do? > > > > > > -Buck > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sustainability of TM
"All the communes under consideration have as their bond of union some form of religious belief. It is asserted by some writers who theorize about communism that a commune can not exist long without some fanatical religious thought as its cementing force; while others assert with equal positiveness that it is possible to maintain a commune in which the members shall have diverse and diverging beliefs in religious matters. It seems to me that both these theories are wrong; but that it is true that a commune to exist harmoniously, must be composed of persons who are of one mind upon some question which to them shall appear so important as to take the place of a religion, if it is not essentially religious; though it need not be fanatically held." -Nordhoff (1875) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > TM is based on the creative function of the unified field, the vast ocean of > nothingness. Physicists are now discovering that the universe is made up > mostly of dark energy and dark matter. Both account for 96 percent of the > total constituent of the universe. > > The predominance of dark energy shows that the vacuum of the universe is > highly unstable and is fueling the the expansion and acceleration of the > universe. In Maharishi-speak, this confirms the infinite creativity and > dynamism of the unified field. > > By attuning to this unified field, one gains the power of the dark energy > that science has discovered, which can be experienced in the human physiology > as "bliss". > > So, MMY's ideas are very much in keeping with recent scientific discoveries. > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > As doctrine of faith and belief in Maharishi > > versus > > the practicing of the technique. > > > > A TM-movement that tests for faith on the one hand, > > or just facilitates its practitioners on the other. > > > > Will the movement be sustaining, > > > > what would promote its sustainability? > > > > Are the numbers sustainable as it is? > > > > What should the TM-Rajas do? > > > > -Buck > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sustainability of TM
TM is based on the creative function of the unified field, the vast ocean of nothingness. Physicists are now discovering that the universe is made up mostly of dark energy and dark matter. Both account for 96 percent of the total constituent of the universe. The predominance of dark energy shows that the vacuum of the universe is highly unstable and is fueling the the expansion and acceleration of the universe. In Maharishi-speak, this confirms the infinite creativity and dynamism of the unified field. By attuning to this unified field, one gains the power of the dark energy that science has discovered, which can be experienced in the human physiology as "bliss". So, MMY's ideas are very much in keeping with recent scientific discoveries. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > As doctrine of faith and belief in Maharishi > versus > the practicing of the technique. > > A TM-movement that tests for faith on the one hand, > or just facilitates its practitioners on the other. > > Will the movement be sustaining, > > what would promote its sustainability? > > Are the numbers sustainable as it is? > > What should the TM-Rajas do? > > -Buck >
