[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
Might be that some TB's have never left but just don't have or need a current dome badge. Once a transcendentalist always a transcendentalist. Eternal Transcendent Field grant, we pray To all Meditators, both night and day, The courage, honor, strength, and skill Their lives to serve, thy law fulfill; Be thou the shield forevermore >From every peril to our meditation. Jai Guru Dev, --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > What would it take for you to become a TM TB again? > > I guess almost any miracle could do the trick for me. If lots of folks > started hovering, or one person hovered in a very scientific setting, I'd > immediately start TM again. > > 1. So, I think of hovering as a proof despite the fact that Turq says that > his Rama guy did it in front of crowds and many times. To me something's > hinky with Turq's reporting, cuz, in my world, real hovering is a feat that > gets the CIA kidnapping your ass. Seems likely that the Rama guy was a > magician, not a MAGICIAN. Show me a true MAGICIAN and I'm sold out. > > 2. If Maharishi came back from the dead, , yeah that'd do for me too. > > 3. If some sort of class-action suit completely exposed all the finances of > the TMO and showed that -- unbelievably -- all the money went to promoting TM > instead of buying yachts for Girish, AND, if some "knock your socks off > scientific measurements" showed at least some mind-over-matter processes > during TM -- such as some blood chemistry marker that's immediately changed > when one starts meditating and that marker is known so well that scientists > flock to get TM instructions, then, yeah, I might be a redneck, er, TB. > > 4. Okay, anyone coming back from the dead and saying TM works -- yeah, that'd > do it too. Maybe even moreso than if Maharishi came back, cuz, maybe > Maharishi never died and merely faked it so that he could seemingly come back > from the dead, but if, say, Hitler came back and espoused TM, sorry Jews, but > I'll be listening to Adolph. > > 5. If some verifiable ancient document was found that predicted the advent of > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and TM in precise and exacting terms (whatever that > means,) well, that'd turn my head, but the verification had better be > non-controversial and widely accepted by scholars. And/or, if some dead sea > scrolls were found that listed all-and-only the TM mantras, I'd go "Urp, say > what?" > > 6. If a UFO lands and out comes some entity with Maharishi's Gita in its > hands/tenticles, and this entity says something like: "Maharishi is the most > famous teacher in all the cosmos and he's incarnate in over 1,000 bodies on > 1,000 planets." Um, it would get my interest. > > 7. If any MAV products were endorsed by the AMA and the FDA to be powerful > healers, and if physicians reported that their patients were additionally > having spiritual experiences of significant intensity, okay, I'll revisit my > "TM only works somewhat" conclusions. > > 8. If the words "Transcendental Meditation Works" appeared on the Moon and > was easily read by the naked eye by anyone on Earth, okay, that's got me just > like the UFO landing concept got me. > > 9. If a nanobot swarm becomes conscious and form itself into the shape of a > human being and then that entity meditates using a TM mantra -- okay, sign me > up again. > > 10. If Curtis, Vaj, Turq, and their ilk started TM again and reported that, > despite the long lapse of time since they last meditated, that they were NOW > having tremendous, full-reality, spiritual experiences with gods, angels, et > al, then, hey, I'd sit in the chair for at least a few attempts. > > You? What would it take? > > Edg >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > sparaig wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > >> Nothing because I have learned techniques since then that work much > >> better. TM is nothing more than "yoga lite." > >> > > > > Define "work better." How do you know? > > > > > > Lawson > They "work better" in comparison to my "experiences" with TM. > Um yeah, that's a good definition alright. L
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> I mean, hasn't > > it already been established here that the Marshy > > was a con man and that his organization was a > > scam and that you, Curtis, Vaj and Turq, were > > Marashy's top enablers? > > Curtis wrote: > I know we were enabling the old coot, but who wants > to hear that high squeaky voice all night crying for > a fix while he's getting dope-sick cuz he wouldn't > stand in line for his methadone with every other > junkie, so you score some shitty Mexican black tar > that smells like it is cut with dogshit from some > guy at the bus station who never looks you in the > eye as he hands it to you and takes your money and > you heat the works (golden spoon from his Seeliserg > tea set!) and you hunt around for some vein that > hasn't already collapsed and you find one and spike > it hard before it disappears again and afterwords > he nods off and everyone can get some sleep. > > Is that s wrong? > Bernie Madoff is going to prison for the rest of his life, but it looks like you 'gang of three' are getting off scot-free. What would it take to get you OUT of the cult once and for all? You'd probably being preaching 'cult religion' if you were locked up in jail, you're that hooked, Otherwise why would you be here trying to butt in line at the methadone clinic called FFL? Once a junkie, always a junkie. What happened to all the money? From what I've read here, your ponzi scheme took in billions worldwide, but you're still singing on street corners.
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Curtis, God in a nipple! What is more glorious than that? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 27, 2009, at 7:34 PM, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: 10. If Curtis, Vaj, Turq, and their ilk started TM again and reported that, despite the long lapse of time since they last meditated, that they were NOW having tremendous, full-reality, spiritual experiences with gods, angels, et al, then, hey, I'd sit in the chair for at least a few attempts. I know folks who haven't quit who are having such experiences regularly, and folks who have quit who are also having them. Nice to know I rank in the "ilk" of Vaj and Turq but I seriously think you are giving me a bit too much credit! In matters spiritual they are both in a loftier ilk since they continued their spiritual practices long after I had traded in my rudraksha beads for a cat o nine tails and some fur lined handcuffs. If I was busking and God himself walked by, smiling on me with that cheesy grin of his, I would tell him that if he doesn't have some folding money to drop in my box I would prefer he moved out of my line of sight to the chick in the gauze tank top whose headlights are on. If it was really God, he would understand don't ya think? To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
On Mar 27, 2009, at 9:31 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: 10. If Curtis, Vaj, Turq, and their ilk started TM again and reported that, despite the long lapse of time since they last meditated, that they were NOW having tremendous, full-reality, spiritual experiences with gods, angels, et al, then, hey, I'd sit in the chair for at least a few attempts. I know folks who haven't quit who are having such experiences regularly, and folks who have quit who are also having them. And are such experiences important, either way? Hey! A 1-900 number can be a great way to make money. Haven't you ever heard of Sylvia Browne? Sheesh.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
sparaig wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > >> Nothing because I have learned techniques since then that work much >> better. TM is nothing more than "yoga lite." >> > > Define "work better." How do you know? > > > Lawson They "work better" in comparison to my "experiences" with TM.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > 10. If Curtis, Vaj, Turq, and their ilk started TM again and reported that, > despite the long lapse of time since they last meditated, that they were NOW > having tremendous, full-reality, spiritual experiences with gods, angels, et > al, then, hey, I'd sit in the chair for at least a few attempts. > > I know folks who haven't quit who are having such experiences regularly, and > folks who have quit who are also having them. > And are such experiences important, either way? Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > Nothing because I have learned techniques since then that work much > better. TM is nothing more than "yoga lite." Define "work better." How do you know? Lawson
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On Mar 27, 2009, at 6:34 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Nice to know I rank in the "ilk" of Vaj and Turq but I seriously think you are giving me a bit too much credit! Really? Just what "ilk" do you think you belong in, Curtis? :) In matters spiritual they are both in a loftier ilk since they continued their spiritual practices long after I had traded in my rudraksha beads for a cat o nine tails and some fur lined handcuffs. Oh, that. If I was busking and God himself walked by, smiling on me with that cheesy grin of his, I would tell him that if he doesn't have some folding money to drop in my box I would prefer he moved out of my line of sight to the chick in the gauze tank top whose headlights are on. If it was really God, he would understand don't ya think? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: I mean, hasn't > it already been established here that the Marshy > was a con man and that his organization was a > scam and that you, Curtis, Vaj and Turq, were > Marashy's top enablers? I know we were enabling the old coot, but who wants to hear that high squeaky voice all night crying for a fix while he's getting dope-sick cuz he wouldn't stand in line for his methadone with every other junkie, so you score some shitty Mexican black tar that smells like it is cut with dogshit from some guy at the bus station who never looks you in the eye as he hands it to you and takes your money and you heat the works (golden spoon from his Seeliserg tea set!) and you hunt around for some vein that hasn't already collapsed and you find one and spike it hard before it disappears again and afterwords he nods off and everyone can get some sleep. Is that s wrong? > > Duveyoung wrote: > > What would it take for you to become a TM TB > > again? > > > Hardly anything you mentioned here has anything > to do with BASIC individual TM practice. It's > almost all having to do with the 'cult of the > Maharishi' and what you'd do to be convinced > to further spread the religious dogma in public > schools. Maybe I just don't get it - what would > it take to get you OUT of the cult once and for > all? > > You've said nothing that would help me understand > the mechanics of consciousness. What you're > describing here is a religious cult, pure and > simple. All you seem to be concerned with is your > staus in the TMO as a TM teacher. I mean, hasn't > it already been established here that the Marshy > was a con man and that his organization was a > scam and that you, Curtis, Vaj and Turq, were > Marashy's top enablers? > > You guys need to cut the bullshit and admit that > there's no such thing as 'TM' - that's just a > lot of hooey that you guys made up, trying to > sell water down by the river. What you should be > doing is apologising and return the money to all > those poor students you scammed over the years. > > I mean, if you guys lied through your teeth for > all those years, who in hell would believe a > thing you have to say now? > > > > > 10. If Curtis, Vaj, Turq, and their ilk started > > TM again and reported that, despite the long lapse > > of time since they last meditated, that they were > > NOW having tremendous, full-reality, spiritual > > experiences with gods, angels, et al, then, hey, > > I'd sit in the chair for at least a few attempts. > > > > You? What would it take? > > > > Edg > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
Duveyoung wrote: > What would it take for you to become a TM TB > again? > Hardly anything you mentioned here has anything to do with BASIC individual TM practice. It's almost all having to do with the 'cult of the Maharishi' and what you'd do to be convinced to further spread the religious dogma in public schools. Maybe I just don't get it - what would it take to get you OUT of the cult once and for all? You've said nothing that would help me understand the mechanics of consciousness. What you're describing here is a religious cult, pure and simple. All you seem to be concerned with is your staus in the TMO as a TM teacher. I mean, hasn't it already been established here that the Marshy was a con man and that his organization was a scam and that you, Curtis, Vaj and Turq, were Marashy's top enablers? You guys need to cut the bullshit and admit that there's no such thing as 'TM' - that's just a lot of hooey that you guys made up, trying to sell water down by the river. What you should be doing is apologising and return the money to all those poor students you scammed over the years. I mean, if you guys lied through your teeth for all those years, who in hell would believe a thing you have to say now? > 10. If Curtis, Vaj, Turq, and their ilk started > TM again and reported that, despite the long lapse > of time since they last meditated, that they were > NOW having tremendous, full-reality, spiritual > experiences with gods, angels, et al, then, hey, > I'd sit in the chair for at least a few attempts. > > You? What would it take? > > Edg >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > 10. If Curtis, Vaj, Turq, and their ilk started TM again and reported that, > despite the long lapse of time since they last meditated, that they were NOW > having tremendous, full-reality, spiritual experiences with gods, angels, et > al, then, hey, I'd sit in the chair for at least a few attempts. > > I know folks who haven't quit who are having such experiences regularly, and > folks who have quit who are also having them. Nice to know I rank in the "ilk" of Vaj and Turq but I seriously think you are giving me a bit too much credit! In matters spiritual they are both in a loftier ilk since they continued their spiritual practices long after I had traded in my rudraksha beads for a cat o nine tails and some fur lined handcuffs. If I was busking and God himself walked by, smiling on me with that cheesy grin of his, I would tell him that if he doesn't have some folding money to drop in my box I would prefer he moved out of my line of sight to the chick in the gauze tank top whose headlights are on. If it was really God, he would understand don't ya think? >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: Girish has a yacht?...prove it, or you are making false allegations. We don't need false allegations to reprove the Tmorg, there's plenty of ammo to go around already that's for real! This just sounds like gratuitous TM bashing to me. You say that like it's a bad thing, Billy. why are you venting? That's the question I have for you! Did MMY and the Tmorg hijack you and steal you're money, or...did you foolishly give it away? Hu Sal
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > > Vaj wrote: > > -100% transparency, responsible spending and shared planning. > > > > -drop the non-sectarian posing and come out as a Hindu movement > > honestly interested in preserving, forwarding and spreading > > sanatana dharma through creation of higher states of consciousness. > > > > -stop diluting the techniques to almost worthlessness, but > > reestablish legitimate yogic practices, allowing people to become > > self-empowered through authentic yogic transmission in a graded, > > experiential set of > > practices, leading to acharya. > > > > -perform seva. > > > > Then I might consider recommending them to folks interested in > > Hindu dharma. > > > So, when are your going to start? > Vaj, sounds like, 'The Barack Obama' of the TM Movement! Jai Guru Dev.
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see below --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: > > I had a similar event, after 35 years of regular TM, etc. I realized I had the same problems I had 40 years ago, (though probably not as bad) that's when I started entertaining the principles of Yama and NiYama (as taught by Patanjali) more seriously and realized that TM is really lacking in a holistic approach to personal growth. > > When I started to practice *effort* (something boo-hoed by the tmorg) things started to fall into place!! Even so, a few years of TM (or any practice) is not enough to dislodge habit patterns that go back many lifetimes, so there you go!! > > I think you're making an assumption when you say you think you "would have had a better life", how do knowit could have been 10 times worse! Hey, you don't want to hear about all the things I tried in life and failed at, and failed bigtime cuz I was in denial and thought I knew better and could grab a gold ring out of the deal no matter how things were not resolving nicely. I posted a paragraph here awhile back about my job history, and that's the whole story right there -- most of the things I tried should have been abandoned far sooner than I actually did. Just on the "time wasted" issue alone, my life could have had a better chance for me to get something going that really worked with my personality. I'm assuming that if I did have the talent of seeing my folly sooner, I would have been able to try a wholebunchalotta other things -- which, sure, could be "more folly," but by doing a lot of other enterprizing, I may have happened upon success a lot sooner or even more than I have achieved. Not that I'm complaining, since I'm retired for eleven years now; some things worked, but psychologically speaking, I had to process so much unnecessary angst with the failures. For instance, I worked for USA Global Link in it's heyday. Ran their Web site for $3000/month. It was chump change for my family of six, but I was in it for the promised IPO that was sure to come and give all of us worker-ants a hefty windfall profit. Well, about a year into it, I saw very clearly that the callback industry was going to be run out of business by the big companies, but there was CEO "Chris the rich kid snob shuck and jiver" promising us a new round of venture capital, etc., and expecting us to show up on Saturdays for company meetings for no extra pay. The staff started getting fired and I could see the axe coming my way when about half the company had been ditched, but by that time I had been with the company for about a year too much, and thus, that eight hours a day of wage-slavery cost me opportunities in many other sectors where I had the wherewithal to churn some decent coin. In fact, the day I quit USA Global link, I was immediately and fully involved in the project that eventually lead to my retiring -- probably could have retired a year earlier. It wasn't Chris' fault that I stayed too long...even though he was the epitome of a con-artist as far as I was concerned -- I duped myself by greedy projections. That said, if no one was looking, if I could be given a freebie get out of jail free card, I'd punch Chris in the schnozzola -- call me small, call me oblivious, but a nicely thrown punch, peppered throughout my life could have done more for my self esteem than my 1500 hours a year sitting with eyes closed. Edg > > > Pranamoocher, > > > > Love your user name. > > > > No, I don't even meditate 2x20mins/day. > > > > I had a series of disasters hit me -- starting in 1998. Even after 29 years of TM, I was so unclear about my real reasons for meditating, that, when the disasters started, I was shocked at my reactions to stress were so un-enlightened. I was taken aback that this kind of karma (personality failure) could happen to me despite all my preventative measures. Simply put: I thought that meditating was a sort of guarantee that no matter what life threw at me, my balance wouldn't be that easily skewed by circumstances. But when it all hit the fan, I found myself completely ordinary and "like any other guy" in my inability to handle the stresses coming at me. > > > > I was devastated, completely overwhelmed, and had my nose rubbed into my delusions so hard, that TM became a "WTF was I thinking?" issue for me. Despite all my meditation, pujas, teaching TM, etc., I was in no way superior to anyone else when life tapped me on the shoulder and said, "Here's how easily you can be stressed into a shuddering mass of meat in a fetal position." > > > > It was the last straw. I was forced to get clarity about my expectations for TM in terms of personality transformation. I was willing to go through many lifetimes to get enlightened, but if I was to believe that my path was a true path, I'd have to conclude that my personality and the personalities of other TM TBs had changed for the better after
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
Vaj wrote: > -100% transparency, responsible spending and shared planning. > > -drop the non-sectarian posing and come out as a Hindu movement > honestly interested in preserving, forwarding and spreading > sanatana dharma through creation of higher states of consciousness. > > -stop diluting the techniques to almost worthlessness, but > reestablish legitimate yogic practices, allowing people to become > self-empowered through authentic yogic transmission in a graded, > experiential set of > practices, leading to acharya. > > -perform seva. > > Then I might consider recommending them to folks interested in > Hindu dharma. > So, when are your going to start?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > Girish has a yacht?...prove it, or you are making false allegations. We > don't need false allegations to reprove the Tmorg, there's plenty of ammo to > go around already that's for real! > > This just sounds like gratuitous TM bashing to me.why are you venting? > That's the question I have for you! Did MMY and the Tmorg hijack you and > steal you're money, or...did you foolishly give it away? Hu > Don't know about girish but the mov't owns a multi-million yacht anchored in NYC. It's on the books of the Maharishi global development fund. Apparently used for tmo bigwigs to entertain wall street bigwigs. > > > What would it take for you to become a TM TB again? > > > > I guess almost any miracle could do the trick for me. If lots of folks > > started hovering, or one person hovered in a very scientific setting, I'd > > immediately start TM again. > > > > 1. So, I think of hovering as a proof despite the fact that Turq says that > > his Rama guy did it in front of crowds and many times. To me something's > > hinky with Turq's reporting, cuz, in my world, real hovering is a feat that > > gets the CIA kidnapping your ass. Seems likely that the Rama guy was a > > magician, not a MAGICIAN. Show me a true MAGICIAN and I'm sold out. > > > > 2. If Maharishi came back from the dead, , yeah that'd do for me too. > > > > 3. If some sort of class-action suit completely exposed all the finances of > > the TMO and showed that -- unbelievably -- all the money went to promoting > > TM instead of buying yachts for Girish, AND, if some "knock your socks off > > scientific measurements" showed at least some mind-over-matter processes > > during TM -- such as some blood chemistry marker that's immediately changed > > when one starts meditating and that marker is known so well that scientists > > flock to get TM instructions, then, yeah, I might be a redneck, er, TB. > > > > > > 4. Okay, anyone coming back from the dead and saying TM works -- yeah, > > that'd do it too. Maybe even moreso than if Maharishi came back, cuz, > > maybe Maharishi never died and merely faked it so that he could seemingly > > come back from the dead, but if, say, Hitler came back and espoused TM, > > sorry Jews, but I'll be listening to Adolph. > > > > 5. If some verifiable ancient document was found that predicted the advent > > of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and TM in precise and exacting terms (whatever > > that means,) well, that'd turn my head, but the verification had better be > > non-controversial and widely accepted by scholars. And/or, if some dead sea > > scrolls were found that listed all-and-only the TM mantras, I'd go "Urp, > > say what?" > > > > 6. If a UFO lands and out comes some entity with Maharishi's Gita in its > > hands/tenticles, and this entity says something like: "Maharishi is the > > most famous teacher in all the cosmos and he's incarnate in over 1,000 > > bodies on 1,000 planets." Um, it would get my interest. > > > > 7. If any MAV products were endorsed by the AMA and the FDA to be powerful > > healers, and if physicians reported that their patients were additionally > > having spiritual experiences of significant intensity, okay, I'll revisit > > my "TM only works somewhat" conclusions. > > > > 8. If the words "Transcendental Meditation Works" appeared on the Moon and > > was easily read by the naked eye by anyone on Earth, okay, that's got me > > just like the UFO landing concept got me. > > > > 9. If a nanobot swarm becomes conscious and form itself into the shape of a > > human being and then that entity meditates using a TM mantra -- okay, sign > > me up again. > > > > 10. If Curtis, Vaj, Turq, and their ilk started TM again and reported that, > > despite the long lapse of time since they last meditated, that they were > > NOW having tremendous, full-reality, spiritual experiences with gods, > > angels, et al, then, hey, I'd sit in the chair for at least a few attempts. > > > > You? What would it take? > > > > Edg > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
Pranamoocher, Love your user name. No, I don't even meditate 2x20mins/day. I had a series of disasters hit me -- starting in 1998. Even after 29 years of TM, I was so unclear about my real reasons for meditating, that, when the disasters started, I was shocked at my reactions to stress were so un-enlightened. I was taken aback that this kind of karma (personality failure) could happen to me despite all my preventative measures. Simply put: I thought that meditating was a sort of guarantee that no matter what life threw at me, my balance wouldn't be that easily skewed by circumstances. But when it all hit the fan, I found myself completely ordinary and "like any other guy" in my inability to handle the stresses coming at me. I was devastated, completely overwhelmed, and had my nose rubbed into my delusions so hard, that TM became a "WTF was I thinking?" issue for me. Despite all my meditation, pujas, teaching TM, etc., I was in no way superior to anyone else when life tapped me on the shoulder and said, "Here's how easily you can be stressed into a shuddering mass of meat in a fetal position." It was the last straw. I was forced to get clarity about my expectations for TM in terms of personality transformation. I was willing to go through many lifetimes to get enlightened, but if I was to believe that my path was a true path, I'd have to conclude that my personality and the personalities of other TM TBs had changed for the better after all the decades in the chair -- and I could not come to such a conclusion. Everyone was exactly the same as I always knew them -- energetically, intellectually, emotionally. TM had not evolved any of us in any measurable way that would have real-world consequences. The TM community in FF that I knew was getting sick, divorcing, committing crimes, using drugs, having obvious mental dysfunctionality, etcin absolutely common-life degree and kind. Long time TB on the program meditators were fucking up in every way possible. So, say that the threw the baby out with the bath water if you must, but to me, staying with TM was out of the question when 29 years of it had me arriving at such a spiritual collapse. Oh me of little faith, eh? What's 29 years when it takes a million lifetimes, eh? Yeah, call me a quitter. If only I was a quitter -- wow, would I have had a better life if I had quit early-on in many of my endeavors instead of going deeper into denial. I know I can sit in a chair, take the mantra, go deep, go deep fast, and come out feeling rested to some degree, but, sorry to tell ya, a 20 minute nap can refresh me 10x better than a 20 min meditation. Nature knows how to refurbish me, but my mental technique apparently doesn't have the power that it's touted to have, and in fact, for me, it cannot even match a nap's healing power. Am I alone in this regard? I think not. Does anyone here know a long time TM TB who has been transformed into some sort of ideal personality who would never get devastated by all-too-common and ordinary psychological events that most of humanity is subjected to regularly? Does TM give one the ability to process in any superior fashion any of these challenges: death in the family harsh illness like cancer divorce career/business failure jail sentence a mugging seeing morbidly obese Bevan touting TM health claims I would bet a lot of money that virtually any TB would be found to be reacting in completely ordinary ways to the above and not to show any cosmic wisdom, or witnessing distance, or whatever. I've seen a wide spectrum of events in FF in every category above -- and all the folks involved in the various situations were seen crying, acting out, misbehaving, and/or other responses that easily disproves the person to be better prepared for the challenges. Maharishi was known to scream in anger, fire people on the spot, violate his own principles, get ill, spout non-sense, etc. WTF, eh? The only thing that TM can speak to me about, nowadays, is transcendence as a doorway to freedom from identification, but a host of other techniques offer me that same potential. TM is a wish that never came true. Edg When I gave up "expecting magic," all TM could offer me was what nature already gave me if I just closed my eyes and let sleep come. And quitting TM gave me four more hours per day to be alive instead of "in a holding pattern." --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "pranamoocher" wrote: > > Edg: > J/C: > You don't practice TM even at 2x/day still? > I don't need to be a TB to feel the benefits of the rest and clarity I > always get from TM. > This wasn't your experience, independent of all the Mumbo Jumbo other > stuff, I too have discarded over the years? > Did you give it up completely over being disillusioned with the TMO or > from lack of any tangible benefits? > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > What would
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > What would it take for you to become a TM TB again? > > I guess almost any miracle could do the trick for me. If lots of folks > started hovering, or one person hovered in a very scientific setting, I'd > immediately start TM again. > > 1. So, I think of hovering as a proof despite the fact that Turq says that > his Rama guy did it in front of crowds and many times. To me something's > hinky with Turq's reporting, cuz, in my world, real hovering is a feat that > gets the CIA kidnapping your ass. Seems likely that the Rama guy was a > magician, not a MAGICIAN. Show me a true MAGICIAN and I'm sold out. > > 2. If Maharishi came back from the dead, , yeah that'd do for me too. > > 3. If some sort of class-action suit completely exposed all the finances of > the TMO and showed that -- unbelievably -- all the money went to promoting TM > instead of buying yachts for Girish, AND, if some "knock your socks off > scientific measurements" showed at least some mind-over-matter processes > during TM -- such as some blood chemistry marker that's immediately changed > when one starts meditating and that marker is known so well that scientists > flock to get TM instructions, then, yeah, I might be a redneck, er, TB. > > 4. Okay, anyone coming back from the dead and saying TM works -- yeah, that'd > do it too. Maybe even moreso than if Maharishi came back, cuz, maybe > Maharishi never died and merely faked it so that he could seemingly come back > from the dead, but if, say, Hitler came back and espoused TM, sorry Jews, but > I'll be listening to Adolph. > > 5. If some verifiable ancient document was found that predicted the advent of > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and TM in precise and exacting terms (whatever that > means,) well, that'd turn my head, but the verification had better be > non-controversial and widely accepted by scholars. And/or, if some dead sea > scrolls were found that listed all-and-only the TM mantras, I'd go "Urp, say > what?" > > 6. If a UFO lands and out comes some entity with Maharishi's Gita in its > hands/tenticles, and this entity says something like: "Maharishi is the most > famous teacher in all the cosmos and he's incarnate in over 1,000 bodies on > 1,000 planets." Um, it would get my interest. > > 7. If any MAV products were endorsed by the AMA and the FDA to be powerful > healers, and if physicians reported that their patients were additionally > having spiritual experiences of significant intensity, okay, I'll revisit my > "TM only works somewhat" conclusions. > > 8. If the words "Transcendental Meditation Works" appeared on the Moon and > was easily read by the naked eye by anyone on Earth, okay, that's got me just > like the UFO landing concept got me. > > 9. If a nanobot swarm becomes conscious and form itself into the shape of a > human being and then that entity meditates using a TM mantra -- okay, sign me > up again. > > 10. If Curtis, Vaj, Turq, and their ilk started TM again and reported that, > despite the long lapse of time since they last meditated, that they were NOW > having tremendous, full-reality, spiritual experiences with gods, angels, et > al, then, hey, I'd sit in the chair for at least a few attempts. > > You? What would it take? > > Edg > How about tm proponents all behaving like balanced compassionate folks and not giving a hoot about levitation, money, or being recognized as world saviors.
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(snip) > > 4. Okay, anyone coming back from the dead and saying TM works -- yeah, > > that'd do it too. Maybe even moreso than if Maharishi came back, cuz, > > maybe Maharishi never died and merely faked it so that he could seemingly > > come back from the dead, but if, say, Hitler came back and espoused TM, > > sorry Jews, but I'll be listening to Adolph. > (snip) Sorry Germans for destroying Germany...sorry France for invading your country, sorry Russia for invading your country, sorry USA for all the men and woman who had to fight your stupid ass, and so on... R.G.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > Billy, > > Again you surprise me. Can't figure ya. > <> > How many more years before Girish takes the title Maharishi, kicks the raja's > out of the fold, sends a gang of Indian thugs to re-structure MUM, etc.? > Can't be too long as the economy dries up all the cash cows -- Girish will > want to reduce his staff, right?...there goes King Tony and the Apostles. > > Edg > No, No! First there'll be a raja recertification course - only $500,000 Will they be called RajaRajas? reRajas? JohnY
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "pranamoocher" wrote: > > Edg: > J/C: > You don't practice TM even at 2x/day still? Edg is on heavy medication but when he forgets to take his medicines he write things like this: > > 4. Okay, anyone coming back from the dead and saying TM works -- yeah, > that'd do it too. Maybe even moreso than if Maharishi came back, cuz, > maybe Maharishi never died and merely faked it so that he could > seemingly come back from the dead, but if, say, Hitler came back and > espoused TM, sorry Jews, but I'll be listening to Adolph. Blessed be his soul.
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Edg: J/C: You don't practice TM even at 2x/day still? I don't need to be a TB to feel the benefits of the rest and clarity I always get from TM. This wasn't your experience, independent of all the Mumbo Jumbo other stuff, I too have discarded over the years? Did you give it up completely over being disillusioned with the TMO or from lack of any tangible benefits? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > What would it take for you to become a TM TB again? > > I guess almost any miracle could do the trick for me. If lots of folks started hovering, or one person hovered in a very scientific setting, I'd immediately start TM again. > > 1. So, I think of hovering as a proof despite the fact that Turq says that his Rama guy did it in front of crowds and many times. To me something's hinky with Turq's reporting, cuz, in my world, real hovering is a feat that gets the CIA kidnapping your ass. Seems likely that the Rama guy was a magician, not a MAGICIAN. Show me a true MAGICIAN and I'm sold out. > > 2. If Maharishi came back from the dead, , yeah that'd do for me too. > > 3. If some sort of class-action suit completely exposed all the finances of the TMO and showed that -- unbelievably -- all the money went to promoting TM instead of buying yachts for Girish, AND, if some "knock your socks off scientific measurements" showed at least some mind-over-matter processes during TM -- such as some blood chemistry marker that's immediately changed when one starts meditating and that marker is known so well that scientists flock to get TM instructions, then, yeah, I might be a redneck, er, TB. > > 4. Okay, anyone coming back from the dead and saying TM works -- yeah, that'd do it too. Maybe even moreso than if Maharishi came back, cuz, maybe Maharishi never died and merely faked it so that he could seemingly come back from the dead, but if, say, Hitler came back and espoused TM, sorry Jews, but I'll be listening to Adolph. > > 5. If some verifiable ancient document was found that predicted the advent of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and TM in precise and exacting terms (whatever that means,) well, that'd turn my head, but the verification had better be non-controversial and widely accepted by scholars. And/or, if some dead sea scrolls were found that listed all-and-only the TM mantras, I'd go "Urp, say what?" > > 6. If a UFO lands and out comes some entity with Maharishi's Gita in its hands/tenticles, and this entity says something like: "Maharishi is the most famous teacher in all the cosmos and he's incarnate in over 1,000 bodies on 1,000 planets." Um, it would get my interest. > > 7. If any MAV products were endorsed by the AMA and the FDA to be powerful healers, and if physicians reported that their patients were additionally having spiritual experiences of significant intensity, okay, I'll revisit my "TM only works somewhat" conclusions. > > 8. If the words "Transcendental Meditation Works" appeared on the Moon and was easily read by the naked eye by anyone on Earth, okay, that's got me just like the UFO landing concept got me. > > 9. If a nanobot swarm becomes conscious and form itself into the shape of a human being and then that entity meditates using a TM mantra -- okay, sign me up again. > > 10. If Curtis, Vaj, Turq, and their ilk started TM again and reported that, despite the long lapse of time since they last meditated, that they were NOW having tremendous, full-reality, spiritual experiences with gods, angels, et al, then, hey, I'd sit in the chair for at least a few attempts. > > You? What would it take? > > Edg >
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Billy, Again you surprise me. Can't figure ya. I wasn't bashing TM any more than usual -- I was just "showing off" my creativity and musing about what I sincerely would do if any of the below scenarios actually happened. I think of TM as a mild help for some folks some of the time -- not a bad thing by most standards, eh? As for Girish, I know nothing except that he was comfortable having his portrait as large as and next to Maharishi's -- it said to me: "I'm the head honcho here. The buck stops here in my pocket. Don't give me any shit about 'not honoring the Master.'" Frankly, my Girish bashing is gratuitous and all I can defend myself with is my intuition's summations: simply put: the guy creeps me out. And, anyone who would willingly put themselves at the top of an organization with the TMO's history has to take the brunt of all the criticisms -- personally -- if you ask me. If all the TMO excesses and sins are known to him -- and it seems reasonable to expect this -- then he is solely a nefarious money grabbing snakeoil salesman. How many more years before Girish takes the title Maharishi, kicks the raja's out of the fold, sends a gang of Indian thugs to re-structure MUM, etc.? Can't be too long as the economy dries up all the cash cows -- Girish will want to reduce his staff, right?...there goes King Tony and the Apostles. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > Girish has a yacht?...prove it, or you are making false allegations. We > don't need false allegations to reprove the Tmorg, there's plenty of ammo to > go around already that's for real! > > This just sounds like gratuitous TM bashing to me.why are you venting? > That's the question I have for you! Did MMY and the Tmorg hijack you and > steal you're money, or...did you foolishly give it away? Hu > > > > What would it take for you to become a TM TB again? > > > > I guess almost any miracle could do the trick for me. If lots of folks > > started hovering, or one person hovered in a very scientific setting, I'd > > immediately start TM again. > > > > 1. So, I think of hovering as a proof despite the fact that Turq says that > > his Rama guy did it in front of crowds and many times. To me something's > > hinky with Turq's reporting, cuz, in my world, real hovering is a feat that > > gets the CIA kidnapping your ass. Seems likely that the Rama guy was a > > magician, not a MAGICIAN. Show me a true MAGICIAN and I'm sold out. > > > > 2. If Maharishi came back from the dead, , yeah that'd do for me too. > > > > 3. If some sort of class-action suit completely exposed all the finances of > > the TMO and showed that -- unbelievably -- all the money went to promoting > > TM instead of buying yachts for Girish, AND, if some "knock your socks off > > scientific measurements" showed at least some mind-over-matter processes > > during TM -- such as some blood chemistry marker that's immediately changed > > when one starts meditating and that marker is known so well that scientists > > flock to get TM instructions, then, yeah, I might be a redneck, er, TB. > > > > > > 4. Okay, anyone coming back from the dead and saying TM works -- yeah, > > that'd do it too. Maybe even moreso than if Maharishi came back, cuz, > > maybe Maharishi never died and merely faked it so that he could seemingly > > come back from the dead, but if, say, Hitler came back and espoused TM, > > sorry Jews, but I'll be listening to Adolph. > > > > 5. If some verifiable ancient document was found that predicted the advent > > of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and TM in precise and exacting terms (whatever > > that means,) well, that'd turn my head, but the verification had better be > > non-controversial and widely accepted by scholars. And/or, if some dead sea > > scrolls were found that listed all-and-only the TM mantras, I'd go "Urp, > > say what?" > > > > 6. If a UFO lands and out comes some entity with Maharishi's Gita in its > > hands/tenticles, and this entity says something like: "Maharishi is the > > most famous teacher in all the cosmos and he's incarnate in over 1,000 > > bodies on 1,000 planets." Um, it would get my interest. > > > > 7. If any MAV products were endorsed by the AMA and the FDA to be powerful > > healers, and if physicians reported that their patients were additionally > > having spiritual experiences of significant intensity, okay, I'll revisit > > my "TM only works somewhat" conclusions. > > > > 8. If the words "Transcendental Meditation Works" appeared on the Moon and > > was easily read by the naked eye by anyone on Earth, okay, that's got me > > just like the UFO landing concept got me. > > > > 9. If a nanobot swarm becomes conscious and form itself into the shape of a > > human being and then that entity meditates using a TM mantra -- okay, sign > > me up again. > > > > 10.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: Girish has a yacht?...prove it, or you are making false allegations. We don't need false allegations to reprove the Tmorg, there's plenty of ammo to go around already that's for real! This just sounds like gratuitous TM bashing to me.why are you venting? That's the question I have for you! Did MMY and the Tmorg hijack you and steal you're money, or...did you foolishly give it away? Hu > What would it take for you to become a TM TB again? > > I guess almost any miracle could do the trick for me. If lots of folks > started hovering, or one person hovered in a very scientific setting, I'd > immediately start TM again. > > 1. So, I think of hovering as a proof despite the fact that Turq says that > his Rama guy did it in front of crowds and many times. To me something's > hinky with Turq's reporting, cuz, in my world, real hovering is a feat that > gets the CIA kidnapping your ass. Seems likely that the Rama guy was a > magician, not a MAGICIAN. Show me a true MAGICIAN and I'm sold out. > > 2. If Maharishi came back from the dead, , yeah that'd do for me too. > > 3. If some sort of class-action suit completely exposed all the finances of > the TMO and showed that -- unbelievably -- all the money went to promoting TM > instead of buying yachts for Girish, AND, if some "knock your socks off > scientific measurements" showed at least some mind-over-matter processes > during TM -- such as some blood chemistry marker that's immediately changed > when one starts meditating and that marker is known so well that scientists > flock to get TM instructions, then, yeah, I might be a redneck, er, TB. > > 4. Okay, anyone coming back from the dead and saying TM works -- yeah, that'd > do it too. Maybe even moreso than if Maharishi came back, cuz, maybe > Maharishi never died and merely faked it so that he could seemingly come back > from the dead, but if, say, Hitler came back and espoused TM, sorry Jews, but > I'll be listening to Adolph. > > 5. If some verifiable ancient document was found that predicted the advent of > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and TM in precise and exacting terms (whatever that > means,) well, that'd turn my head, but the verification had better be > non-controversial and widely accepted by scholars. And/or, if some dead sea > scrolls were found that listed all-and-only the TM mantras, I'd go "Urp, say > what?" > > 6. If a UFO lands and out comes some entity with Maharishi's Gita in its > hands/tenticles, and this entity says something like: "Maharishi is the most > famous teacher in all the cosmos and he's incarnate in over 1,000 bodies on > 1,000 planets." Um, it would get my interest. > > 7. If any MAV products were endorsed by the AMA and the FDA to be powerful > healers, and if physicians reported that their patients were additionally > having spiritual experiences of significant intensity, okay, I'll revisit my > "TM only works somewhat" conclusions. > > 8. If the words "Transcendental Meditation Works" appeared on the Moon and > was easily read by the naked eye by anyone on Earth, okay, that's got me just > like the UFO landing concept got me. > > 9. If a nanobot swarm becomes conscious and form itself into the shape of a > human being and then that entity meditates using a TM mantra -- okay, sign me > up again. > > 10. If Curtis, Vaj, Turq, and their ilk started TM again and reported that, > despite the long lapse of time since they last meditated, that they were NOW > having tremendous, full-reality, spiritual experiences with gods, angels, et > al, then, hey, I'd sit in the chair for at least a few attempts. > > You? What would it take? > > Edg >
