[FairfieldLife] Re: Time
Hi, and thank you for your compliment! I enjoyed listening to your selection too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote: > > Very very nice.  Reminds of this a bit for some reason, but it takes nothing > away from your composition, which stands beautifully on its own...50 and out, > or maybe 51...we'll see.  Since when did counting get to be so difficult.  > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpgtILuOl68 > > > > > > > > From: "doctordumbass@..." > >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > >Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 1:15 PM > >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Time > > > > > > > >I put this one together, wanting to demonstrate the passage of time, through > >the expansion, and continuation of sound. Indian, Western,  Reggae, and > >Japanese ingredients: > > > >Time (3:58) > >https://www.box.com/shared/gizzkhm3jh > > > >(c)temple dog > > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A friend asked a question about where time fits into this whole E gig. > In looking back at Patanjali (Shearer version) I happened to look at > the end of both chapters 3 Expansion and 4 Enlightenment and thought > some might like to ponder his points on Time. > > Chapter 3 Expansion > Sutra 52 From Sanyama on moments and their succession, the finest > discriminative knowledge is born. > > Sutra 53 This enables us to distinguish between two objects that are > to all appearances identical. > > Sutra 54 Knowledge born of the finest discrimination takes us to the > farthest shore. > > Sutra 55 And when the translucent intellect is as pure as the Self, > there is Enlightenment. > > Chapter 4 Enlightenment > > Sutra 31 Knowledge which has been freed from the veils of impurity is > unbounded. > Whatever can be known is insignificant in its light. > > Sutra 32 This samadhi completes the transformations of the gunas and > fulfils the purpose of evolution. > > Sutra 33 Now the process by which evolution unfolds through time is > understood. > > Sutra 34 The gunas, their purpose fulfilled, return to their original > state of harmony, and pure unbounded Consciousness remains, forever > established in its own absolute nature. > This is Enlightenment. Yes, the subjective experience of the gunas acting upon us to orient us as to the universal Dharma, then, once oriented, the gunas operate again in endless harmony. Prior to that, the gunas, serving us intimately, seemingly out of balance to the universal Dharma, kick our butts pretty good! > > What struck me was in Chapter 3 Time was used to gain the first stage > of E and in Chapter 4 Time is essential to the evolution of the three > gunas which appears to be the end state. This seems to suggest that > what is the opening at the end of Chapter 3 reaches closure at the end > of Chapter 4 and the entire teaching of this sage. > Tom T > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time check!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote: > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m5YKv-Qj4Q > > When I first tried that Time Check with triplet-mode, > 80 bpm, 4 bars, got 100%! Should have added "snare only"... :´/ > > After that began to "TRY", 95% was the best got in > about 10 "rounds"! :D >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time Trap
Excellent. Thoroughly enjoyed that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You obviously don't have to be rich any more to make a scifi movie... The Most Original Portrayal Of Time Travel We've Seen Lately http://digg.com/video/time-trap-short-film http://digg.com/video/time-trap-short-film The Most Original Portrayal Of Time Travel We've Seen La... http://digg.com/video/time-trap-short-film "Time travel" and "slapstick" are not mutually exclusive, as "Time Trap" brilliantly proves. View on digg.com http://digg.com/video/time-trap-short-film Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time Trap
Nice find. Sometimes these indie shorts can cram in more original ideas and imagination than a mainstream movie can manage in 90 minutes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You obviously don't have to be rich any more to make a scifi movie... The Most Original Portrayal Of Time Travel We've Seen Lately http://digg.com/video/time-trap-short-film http://digg.com/video/time-trap-short-film The Most Original Portrayal Of Time Travel We've Seen La... http://digg.com/video/time-trap-short-film "Time travel" and "slapstick" are not mutually exclusive, as "Time Trap" brilliantly proves. View on digg.com http://digg.com/video/time-trap-short-film Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > Does anyone remember if Maharishi actually said that > enlightenment could come in 3-6 years or is it some > pervasive Movement rumor? I have never heard that "3 to 6 years" figure. However, when I first saw him in L.A. in 1967, he was asked "How long should it take to get to cosmic consciousness?" and he answered "Five years." There were even brochures handed out at 1015 Gayley with that claim on them. Then five years passed for some of the "early starters," and the figure on the brochure was ...uh...revised to "five to seven years." That was claimed for some time, until it was dropped entirely. If Jerry Jarvis says that this was never claimed, he is delusional, senile or lying. He was my TM teacher; he handed me one of those brochures himself.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > Does anyone remember if Maharishi actually said that > > enlightenment could come in 3-6 years or is it some > > pervasive Movement rumor? > > I have never heard that "3 to 6 years" figure. > However, when I first saw him in L.A. in 1967, > he was asked "How long should it take to get > to cosmic consciousness?" and he answered > "Five years." There were even brochures handed > out at 1015 Gayley with that claim on them. > > Then five years passed for some of the "early > starters," and the figure on the brochure was > ...uh...revised to "five to seven years." That > was claimed for some time, until it was > dropped entirely. > > If Jerry Jarvis says that this was never claimed, > he is delusional, senile or lying. He was my TM > teacher; he handed me one of those brochures > himself. Partly in Jerry's defense, since I liked him and probably would still if we met, a fourth option to the ones I listed above would be IMO that he could be suffering from LKS. That stands for "Latest Knowledge Syndrome," and should be well known by any TM teacher here who is willing to be honest. It's what happened when Maharishi decided to reinvent the wheel and use a new set of buzz- words or phrases to describe things. Like "World Plan Executive Council" instead of "SIMS," or "home of all knowledge" instead of "the Absolute." He would just switch over to the new dogma-speak, and everyone was expected to follow suit. The old language and way of presenting things was "out," and the new way was "in." As much as I liked Jerry, he was one of the clearest examples of buying LKS lock, stock, and barrel I've ever encountered. I worked fairly closely with him at National, and when a shift like this happened, it was as if Jerry shifted immediately into the new "in" language, and seemingly *didn't even remember* the old language. Do this a few times -- or, as in Jerry's case a few hundred times -- and it's conceivable that he honestly *couldn't* remember the previous "in" language or the ways that things were pre- sented previously. You certainly see this even in the modern TM movement. This "change of language and change of presentation" IS, after all, one of the prime reasons Maharishi began the "recertification" silliness. He was trying to make sure that no TM teachers were using the "old" language, only the new, "approved" language. So they had to pay a second time to be "retrained" as TM teachers. How likely is it that any "recertified" TM teacher can remember clearly the language and the sales pitches they were carefully trained no longer to use? How likely is it that Jerry can remember what was printed on the brochures that *he* handed out at 1015 Gayley? I do know that he was at the same public talk as I was at which Maharishi said "five years" clearly, in response to an audience question. Then again, based on info in a post made here on FFL, Jerry is in his early 80s at this point. He simply may not remember, or may be given to remembering only what he wants to remember.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
> > Does anyone remember if Maharishi actually said that > > enlightenment could come in 3-6 years or is it some > > pervasive Movement rumor? > > turquoiseb: > I have never heard that "3 to 6 years" figure. > However, when I first saw him in L.A. in 1967, > he was asked "How long should it take to get > to cosmic consciousness?" and he answered > "Five years." There were even brochures handed > out at 1015 Gayley with that claim on them. > Maybe in your dreams! I was there at every lecture and meeting and he made no such claim - BillyG was there too, and he never heard it. But, none can be produced as evidence. I have one of the brochures from SRM from 1967 which says nothing about 'cosmic consciousness'. > Then five years passed for some of the "early > starters," and the figure on the brochure was > ...uh...revised to "five to seven years." > You're probably thinking of the SRM 'Seven Year Plan brochure. > That was claimed for some time, until it was > dropped entirely. > This ridiculous since by that time there were TMers in India that had been meditating for over ten years. Beaulah Smith had been practicing TM for eight years in 1967! > If Jerry Jarvis says that this was never claimed, > he is delusional, senile or lying. He was my TM > teacher; he handed me one of those brochures > himself. > Jerry Jarvis would have NEVER approved of any poster being sent out with a dumb promise like that - get real! Apparently you altered the text with a felt pen to read 'TM: A Promise of Cosmic Consciousness in 5-7 Years'. and so you got kicked out. LoL! It was stupid of you to try to pull that off, and even stupider to try and spread this rumor again here in FFL. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
> > > Does anyone remember if Maharishi actually said that > > > enlightenment could come in 3-6 years or is it some > > > pervasive Movement rumor? > > > > I have never heard that "3 to 6 years" figure. > > However, when I first saw him in L.A. in 1967, > > he was asked "How long should it take to get > > to cosmic consciousness?" and he answered > > "Five years." There were even brochures handed > > out at 1015 Gayley with that claim on them. > > > > Then five years passed for some of the "early > > starters," and the figure on the brochure was > > ...uh...revised to "five to seven years." That > > was claimed for some time, until it was > > dropped entirely. > > > > If Jerry Jarvis says that this was never claimed, > > he is delusional, senile or lying. He was my TM > > teacher; he handed me one of those brochures > > himself. > > turquoise: > Partly in Jerry's defense, since I liked him > and probably would still if we met, a fourth > option to the ones I listed above would be IMO > that he could be suffering from LKS. > > That stands for "Latest Knowledge Syndrome," > and should be well known by any TM teacher here > who is willing to be honest. > > It's what happened when Maharishi decided to > reinvent the wheel and use a new set of buzz- > words or phrases to describe things. Like > "World Plan Executive Council" instead of > "SIMS," or "home of all knowledge" instead > of "the Absolute." He would just switch over > to the new dogma-speak, and everyone was > expected to follow suit. The old language > and way of presenting things was "out," and > the new way was "in." > > As much as I liked Jerry, he was one of the > clearest examples of buying LKS lock, stock, > and barrel I've ever encountered. I worked > fairly closely with him at National, and when > a shift like this happened, it was as if Jerry > shifted immediately into the new "in" language, > and seemingly *didn't even remember* the old > language. > > Do this a few times -- or, as in Jerry's case > a few hundred times -- and it's conceivable > that he honestly *couldn't* remember the previous > "in" language or the ways that things were pre- > sented previously. You certainly see this even > in the modern TM movement. This "change of > language and change of presentation" IS, after > all, one of the prime reasons Maharishi began > the "recertification" silliness. He was trying > to make sure that no TM teachers were using > the "old" language, only the new, "approved" > language. So they had to pay a second time > to be "retrained" as TM teachers. > > How likely is it that any "recertified" TM > teacher can remember clearly the language and > the sales pitches they were carefully trained > no longer to use? How likely is it that Jerry > can remember what was printed on the brochures > that *he* handed out at 1015 Gayley? > > I do know that he was at the same public talk > as I was at which Maharishi said "five years" > clearly, in response to an audience question. > Then again, based on info in a post made here > on FFL, Jerry is in his early 80s at this point. > He simply may not remember, or may be given to > remembering only what he wants to remember. > "It's a known fact that TM teachers lie many times throughout the day." Subject: Cosmic Consciousness in Five Years Author: Willytex Newsgroup: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 7-3-2003 http://tinyurl.com/cfb5u2k
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
At TTC someone asked about "the five to eight years to get to CC," and Maharishi stopped the person at the mike and said, "No, no, no, much sooner for initiators -- two years something like that, eh? eh?" I was at TTC for eight months -- I kept a log -- did 5 years' worth of 20 minute meditations in that time. And here I am -- a futzing putz still. He said it. He said it clearly. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > Does anyone remember if Maharishi actually said that enlightenment could come > in 3-6 years or is it some pervasive Movement rumor? >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > Does anyone remember if Maharishi actually said that enlightenment could come > in 3-6 years or is it some pervasive Movement rumor? I know people who were promised it in 7 years.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > Does anyone remember if Maharishi actually said that enlightenment could > > come in 3-6 years or is it some pervasive Movement rumor? > > I know people who were promised it in 7 years. My TM teacher made no such claims but he did say that if kids learn the walking mantra at the earliest opportunity and switch to TM at age 10 and then the siddhis at 15, they would be enlightened for college.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > do you remember who your initiator was? Yes, a nice bloke but I doubt he'd want to be named on here. He used to make me laugh when he'd go on about the unified field being consciousness and I'd say that the rest of the physics world might have something to say about that, I told him it was probably intended as an analogy, but it isn't a very good one and he'd get embarrassed because he couldn't explain and obviously didn't really understand it. Still, he did a good job teaching the mantra because I still do it! And I never liked the term "initiator" as I don't consider I was initiated into something. I bet newbies wouldn't like it either. So what's the thinking behind the term, any clues from those among us who finished TTC? > > From: salyavin808 > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 11:24 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment > > > > Â > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone remember if Maharishi actually said that enlightenment could > > > come in 3-6 years or is it some pervasive Movement rumor? > > > > I know people who were promised it in 7 years. > > My TM teacher made no such claims but he did say that if kids learn > the walking mantra at the earliest opportunity and switch to TM at > age 10 and then the siddhis at 15, they would be enlightened for > college. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > do you remember who your initiator was? > > Yes, a nice bloke but I doubt he'd want to be named on here. > > He used to make me laugh when he'd go on about the unified field > being consciousness and I'd say that the rest of the physics > world might have something to say about that, I told him it was > probably intended as an analogy, but it isn't a very good one and > he'd get embarrassed because he couldn't explain and obviously > didn't really understand it. > > Still, he did a good job teaching the mantra because I still do it! > > And I never liked the term "initiator" as I don't consider I was > initiated into something. I bet newbies wouldn't like it either. > So what's the thinking behind the term, any clues from those > among us who finished TTC? I don't remember anything being said about the term "initiator" per se on my TTC course. I would imagine that the term came from some of Maharishi's first students in America, most of whom were older, and many of whom had come from various Western/Occult spiritual backgrounds. Such as the Rosicrucians, the Order of the Golden Dawn, that sort of org. So my suspicion is that the term came from them. They would tend to think in terms of being "initiated" into something, and I'll bet that Maharishi heard the English term from them and appropriated it. Maybe he liked the term because it sounded better than "parrot." :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npjOSLCR2hE
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > > > do you remember who your initiator was? > > > > Yes, a nice bloke but I doubt he'd want to be named on here. > > > > He used to make me laugh when he'd go on about the unified field > > being consciousness and I'd say that the rest of the physics > > world might have something to say about that, I told him it was > > probably intended as an analogy, but it isn't a very good one and > > he'd get embarrassed because he couldn't explain and obviously > > didn't really understand it. > > > > Still, he did a good job teaching the mantra because I still do it! > > > > And I never liked the term "initiator" as I don't consider I was > > initiated into something. I bet newbies wouldn't like it either. > > So what's the thinking behind the term, any clues from those > > among us who finished TTC? > > I don't remember anything being said about the term > "initiator" per se on my TTC course. I would imagine > that the term came from some of Maharishi's first > students in America, most of whom were older, and > many of whom had come from various Western/Occult > spiritual backgrounds. Such as the Rosicrucians, > the Order of the Golden Dawn, that sort of org. > So my suspicion is that the term came from them. > They would tend to think in terms of being > "initiated" into something, and I'll bet that > Maharishi heard the English term from them and > appropriated it. > > Maybe he liked the term because it sounded better > than "parrot." :-) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npjOSLCR2hE Quite. It's this idea that I've been initiated into something without my being aware of it that gets me. I thought it might be some sort of TM secret agenda. Order of the Golden Dawn sounds good though, better than Global Family of World Peace, or whatever it is this week.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
> > Does anyone remember if Maharishi actually said > > that enlightenment could come in 3-6 years or is > > it some pervasive Movement rumor? > > salyavin: > I know people who were promised it in 7 years. > Was that promise made after 7 years? LoL!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
I recall Charlie Lutes mentioning the 5 year figure, but then he added 'Maharishi forgot to add the zeros'.
[FairfieldLife] Re: time and reincarnation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks to whoever sent the article on other dimensions of time. The concept is not new, however.The notion of "past lives" implies that time is a sort of freight train running on a track from the "past" through the present and into a "future." This is the one- dimensional view of time. Such an idea of time is not seriously entertained by anyone in an age in which scientists think of "retrocausation" as real, and even that still implies the freight train model of time. > > It makes much more sense to me to say that I am all lives of all things in all times and all possible universes (which includes one in which monkeys are jumping outa my ass), now and forever, and there is a straight line between me and any life form anytime, past, present, and future. I think of time as an ocean, infinite in extent in all directions and there are no shores. Events may "bob" up on that ocean, but this is not the only way to conceptualize the shining moments of our experience. > As I said in another post, all laws of form are infinite. The fact that I seem to be "located" in Angela in Ff in 2007 is a persistent illusion, which is loosening its grip as I live, so that I do feel the reality of other lives and get glimpses of being Hitler or Guru Dev or some cow grazing contentedly on a hilltop. And there are lives on other planets and in other dimensions that are accessible---I think Rory might agree to that. a Udderly :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: time and reincarnation
(Angela wrote:) As I said in another post, all laws of form are infinite. The > fact that I seem to be "located" in Angela in Ff in 2007 is a > persistent illusion, which is loosening its grip as I live, so that I > do feel the reality of other lives and get glimpses of being Hitler > or Guru Dev or some cow grazing contentedly on a hilltop. And there > are lives on other planets and in other dimensions that are > accessible---I think Rory might agree to that. a "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Udderly :-) I spent a good bit of last night thinking about this post, Angela. Some of my most profoundly moving and awakening experiences have occurred after reminding myself of the illusion of spacetime, and that it is all here now, followed by encounters with some of our "space- cousins." Not too long ago, for example, after remembering that my body contains all the stars, my attention was drawn to one in particular, and so I went there. Because the stars are all in my body, I knew the world seemed a little "troubled" but that I could go there in "Authority", as an ambassador or emissary of the will of my Love. As I shrank in size or narrowed my awareness to approach a planet, it showed up startlingly bright, mottled turquoise and russet -- less water than ours, smaller oceans and more evenly distributed. I realized this was a "real" or physical world, even to our ordinary sight, and asked its Earth-name so I could research it later. It said, "Ras...Tanni". That didn't sound familiar, but I made a mental note. To my slight surprise I was drawn to an actual building; it was a pyramid of huge stones rather loosely fitted. I dropped through the top into a chamber inside, where two biped beings stood. They were pale, tall, and shining slightly and it was a little difficult to see phsyical detail, but they looked vaguely saurian, reptilian. I greeted them slightly cautiously but in wholehearted Love-Will and showed them my concern that their system align itself with the greater good in my star-body. They readily and respectfully agreed. This was rather a profound shift for me. After I returned to and refocused on my "default" setting here, I went to the star dictionary and found to my suprise there *was* something like Ras...Tanni. Ras al- Tanni is a star in the Draco (Dragon) system, some say alpha Draconis, which I seemed to remember was a star some of the Egyptian pyramids were oriented to. I further noticed that after my encounter with the Saurians or Dracos, my DNA had further shifted, and still another old fear-program had dissolved. This is but one of the latest of a number of "enlightening" and heart- breakingly fulfilling encounters with various of our multidimensional cousins, all particles of our Self. Now, what your post brought up in me, Angela, is this question: I have often vaguely wondered -- given how immensely fulfilling this all is, why don't I do this on a more frequent basis? I know that I could if I wanted to, but I simply don't want to. This is one of the oddest things I've noticed about "life after death" - - how progressively more difficult it is to summon desire, even for things that are at the time riproaringly fun and heartbreakingly satisfying. As I write this, I realize this may be what some seers have meant when they've said it is difficult to progress as rapidly through the subtler realms after death, as one just becomes too content with where one is to keep moving. Oddly, my "higher selves" said something similar immediately upon "dying" -- they conveyed that I was completely free (this much was obvious and self-evident), but was actually half done (also pretty evident), had balanced 50% of my karma, and would no longer be required to incarnate on earth (putting the concepts in crude terms the remnants of my linear mind could get, I now see)--but that I would continue to die and be reborn on subtler and subtler planes as more and more of my karma was resolved. They said I was free to go ahead and do that now, if I wished, but if I physically stayed on earth, my progress through these planes would be much faster. Of course, I "chose" to stay. There really was no choice, as was clear enough even then :-) I do know immediately after "dying" I felt immensely grateful to be shown that there was more than the all-the-same-ness of ALL-That-Is; there was always a tiny bliss-point of desire-now somewhere in the body which showed where there was more to be attended to. It's kind of funny, now that I think of it: the word "desire" comes from the Latin, something like "de-sidere", of the stars (as can also be seen in our term, "sidereal"). Wow. Just now, for the first time, I *fully get* that etymology! A star is a bliss-point of my desire HA! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: time and reincarnation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, Rory, I can totally relate to that. It occurs to me to wonder if this is part of the reason most cultures sequester types like us behind monastery walls. R: YES, that makes a lot of sense. The great thing about Fairfield for me, is it generally represents the best of both worlds -- a kind of paradise (in the original sense of "enclosed garden" as well as "other world[s]")-in-transition, where there are a multitude of kindred souls in a conducive atmosphere *and* a semblance of ordinary life for those who want it. A: The "knowledge" of meditation techniques are never lost (as MMY has claimed), but they are not brought out very often in the history of cultures, and are, instead, jealously guarded to the point of killing folks who try to bring them out at times not deemed appropriate by powers that be. That we do not live in such times is obvious. R: Yes, the dissonance at times appears truly impressive. A: I'm getting a clue as to what "evolution" means in personal terms, and we are conditioned to thinking of it as a positive thing. As far as I, personally, am concerned, I do not have a problem with thinking of it as a positive thing, but what about the effect on cultures as a whole? I know we're supposed to believe that the one percent effect is totally positive and brings peace on earth, but I am not 100% sure that this is all there's to it. The opposite of a profound idea is > always and necessarily also a profound idea. So there is room for speculation. a R: Yes -- understanding evolution as *less and less* as much as *more and more* has been an interesting twist. I saw a bumper sticker recently that said, "To have more, desire less." I thought at the time that would be rather difficult; it seemed easier to desire nothing and have everything, but upon reconsideration the original message makes a lot more sense now :-) I have never been especially sold on the 1% hypothesis, or for that matter south-door phobias or any of that -- though I am certainly open to the possibility of phase shift, have seen it happen often enough that as I shift my whole universe shifts; and investigating my resistance to the south-entrance dogma unfolded vast new understandings of Shiva Dakshinamurti, "higher-lower" or "future- past" selves and "ascension" -- but I do have to say I am newly impressed and grateful beyond all imagining with the Domes (not that I have been pulled to physically go there for more than 2 weeks, a year ago, but they most definitely *are* my "particle accelerators"), and with what MMY, my deeper Self, has created for me to enjoy here. It's been more emptifulfilling than I ever could have dreamed :-) A:> Note I said "part of the reason." I think there may be other reasons. R: Ahh?
[FairfieldLife] Re: time and reincarnation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I spent a good bit of last night thinking about this post, Angela. > Not too long ago, for example, after remembering that my body contains > all the stars, my attention was drawn to one in particular, and so I > went there. Because the stars are all in my body, I knew the world > seemed a little "troubled" but that I could go there in "Authority", as > an ambassador or emissary of the will of my Love. As I shrank in size > or narrowed my awareness to approach a planet, it showed up startlingly > bright, mottled turquoise and russet -- less water than ours, smaller > oceans and more evenly distributed. I realized this was a "real" or > physical world, even to our ordinary sight, and asked its Earth- name so > I could research it later. It said, "Ras...Tanni". That didn't sound > familiar, but I made a mental note. > > To my slight surprise I was drawn to an actual building; it was a > pyramid of huge stones rather loosely fitted. I dropped through the top > into a chamber inside, where two biped beings stood. They were pale, > tall, and shining slightly and it was a little difficult to see > phsyical detail, but they looked vaguely saurian, reptilian. I greeted > them slightly cautiously but in wholehearted Love-Will and showed them > my concern that their system align itself with the greater good in my > star-body. They readily and respectfully agreed. > > This was rather a profound shift for me. After I returned to and > refocused on my "default" setting here, I went to the star dictionary > and found to my suprise there *was* something like Ras...Tanni. Ras al- > Tanni is a star in the Draco (Dragon) system, some say alpha Draconis, > which I seemed to remember was a star some of the Egyptian pyramids > were oriented to. > > I further noticed that after my encounter with the Saurians or Dracos, > my DNA had further shifted, and still another old fear-program had > dissolved. UAU, this is wild! I just realized that this whole phenomenon was essentially the "flip-side" of some much earlier experiences ocurring maybe a year after "dying" -- when I wondered in meditation what it would be like to fuse the three primary Theosophical "Rays" of Will, Love, and Intelligence, and immediately found myself inside a pyramid facing a column of fire with some trepidation: I realized I was expected to enter the fire, and that when I did, it would change my DNA. After some hesitation, I stepped into it, and was instantly in no-time-space, pulled up through the top of the pyramid into a portal vibrating OM so loudly it appeared to shake the whole universe; I was informed this particular frequency was my "soul-note." The next day I repeated the inquiry and found myself going through the whole process again, this time going *through* the portal and into a Council of Masters -- 12, around a central One with whom I instinctively identified. After that I saw how we all create world-events from this level, through conscious or unconscious collective deep-sleeping/dreaming and there deciding to "incarnate" or "dramatize" these events to express specific feeling-messages from our Master-selves. (I later realized that fusing the three "Rays" fused the Trimurti or the 3 gunas, of which the OM or A-U-M is the collective result, and still later found Freemasonic resonances of this experience in their Initiation of Raising one to be a Master, where the three "ruffians" - - JubelA, JubelO, and JubelUM -- each possess a part of the Truth, which needs to be reunited -- AOUM --.) So here we have the "recently-dead" me of 1983, entering the pyramid to encounter and surrender up, essentially, into the radiant-fire of the "now-me" who has entered down into the pyramid as an Ambassador of Love in 2005 or therabouts, all to change our reptilian DNA, all in "Egypt" or its direct counterpart, "Ras-al-Tanni or alpha Draconis" or whatever. *lol* This sort of thing has been happening a lot lately -- the monstrously- arrogant fiery Brahma-ego *finally* became at least partially digested when I found myself acting out and *understanding* some behavior I had *detested* in MMY -- his apparent favoritism towards certain students, apparently handing them his mantle: why not *I*, who was *certainly* at *least* as qualified and deserving as they?? *rofl* *Now* I fully get it. It *wasn't his choice,* any more than it is mine. My love and appreciation and at-home-ness flows most sweetly and fully to those who surrender most fully to me, to themSelf. It's not a matter of choice; it's a matter of heart; it simply IS. I had not yet fully surrendered to MMY; how could I expect to receive more grace than I got? It's automatic! Now I see both sides of this "Master-Disciple" dance. This was what I was getting in the Domes too, last year -- how my "Raam-Raj" or ordinary MMY-Self wi
[FairfieldLife] Re: time and reincarnation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > (Angela wrote:) As I said in another post, all laws of form are > infinite. The > > fact that I seem to be "located" in Angela in Ff in 2007 is a > > persistent illusion, which is loosening its grip as I live, so that I > > do feel the reality of other lives and get glimpses of being Hitler > > or Guru Dev or some cow grazing contentedly on a hilltop. And there > > are lives on other planets and in other dimensions that are > > accessible---I think Rory might agree to that. a > > "Rory Goff" wrote: > > > Udderly :-) > > I spent a good bit of last night thinking about this post, Angela. > > Some of my most profoundly moving and awakening experiences have > occurred after reminding myself of the illusion of spacetime, and that > it is all here now, followed by encounters with some of our "space- > cousins." > > Not too long ago, for example, after remembering that my body contains > all the stars, my attention was drawn to one in particular, and so I > went there. Because the stars are all in my body, I knew the world > seemed a little "troubled" but that I could go there in "Authority", as > an ambassador or emissary of the will of my Love. As I shrank in size > or narrowed my awareness to approach a planet, it showed up startlingly > bright, mottled turquoise and russet -- less water than ours, smaller > oceans and more evenly distributed. I realized this was a "real" or > physical world, even to our ordinary sight, and asked its Earth- name so > I could research it later. It said, "Ras...Tanni". That didn't sound > familiar, but I made a mental note. > > To my slight surprise I was drawn to an actual building; it was a > pyramid of huge stones rather loosely fitted. I dropped through the top > into a chamber inside, where two biped beings stood. They were pale, > tall, and shining slightly and it was a little difficult to see > phsyical detail, but they looked vaguely saurian, reptilian. I greeted > them slightly cautiously but in wholehearted Love-Will and showed them > my concern that their system align itself with the greater good in my > star-body. They readily and respectfully agreed. > > This was rather a profound shift for me. After I returned to and > refocused on my "default" setting here, I went to the star dictionary > and found to my suprise there *was* something like Ras...Tanni. Ras al- > Tanni is a star in the Draco (Dragon) system, some say alpha Draconis, > which I seemed to remember was a star some of the Egyptian pyramids > were oriented to. > > I further noticed that after my encounter with the Saurians or Dracos, > my DNA had further shifted, and still another old fear-program had > dissolved. > > This is but one of the latest of a number of "enlightening" and heart- > breakingly fulfilling encounters with various of our multidimensional > cousins, all particles of our Self. > > Now, what your post brought up in me, Angela, is this question: I have > often vaguely wondered -- given how immensely fulfilling this all is, > why don't I do this on a more frequent basis? I know that I could if I > wanted to, but I simply don't want to. > > This is one of the oddest things I've noticed about "life after death" - > - how progressively more difficult it is to summon desire, even for > things that are at the time riproaringly fun and heartbreakingly > satisfying. > > As I write this, I realize this may be what some seers have meant when > they've said it is difficult to progress as rapidly through the subtler > realms after death, as one just becomes too content with where one is > to keep moving. > > Oddly, my "higher selves" said something similar immediately > upon "dying" -- they conveyed that I was completely free (this much was > obvious and self-evident), but was actually half done (also pretty > evident), had balanced 50% of my karma, and would no longer be required > to incarnate on earth (putting the concepts in crude terms the remnants > of my linear mind could get, I now see)--but that I would continue to > die and be reborn on subtler and subtler planes as more and more of my > karma was resolved. They said I was free to go ahead and do that now, > if I wished, but if I physically stayed on earth, my progress through > these planes would be much faster. Of course, I "chose" to stay. There > really was no choice, as was clear enough even then :-) > > I do know immediately after "dying" I felt immensely grateful to be > shown that there was more than the all-the-same-ness of ALL-That- Is; > there was always a tiny bliss-point of desire-now somewhere in the body > which showed where there was more to be attended to. > > It's kind of funny, now that I think of it: the word "desire" comes > from the Latin, something like "de-sidere", of the stars (as can also > be seen in our te
[FairfieldLife] Re: time and reincarnation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" > wrote: > > > I spent a good bit of last night thinking about this post, Angela. > > > > > Not too long ago, for example, after remembering that my body > contains > > all the stars, my attention was drawn to one in particular, and so > I > > went there. Because the stars are all in my body, I knew the world > > seemed a little "troubled" but that I could go there > in "Authority", as > > an ambassador or emissary of the will of my Love. As I shrank in > size > > or narrowed my awareness to approach a planet, it showed up > startlingly > > bright, mottled turquoise and russet -- less water than ours, > smaller > > oceans and more evenly distributed. I realized this was a "real" or > > physical world, even to our ordinary sight, and asked its Earth- > name so > > I could research it later. It said, "Ras...Tanni". That didn't > sound > > familiar, but I made a mental note. > > > > To my slight surprise I was drawn to an actual building; it was a > > pyramid of huge stones rather loosely fitted. I dropped through the > top > > into a chamber inside, where two biped beings stood. They were > pale, > > tall, and shining slightly and it was a little difficult to see > > phsyical detail, but they looked vaguely saurian, reptilian. I > greeted > > them slightly cautiously but in wholehearted Love-Will and showed > them > > my concern that their system align itself with the greater good in > my > > star-body. They readily and respectfully agreed. > > > > This was rather a profound shift for me. After I returned to and > > refocused on my "default" setting here, I went to the star > dictionary > > and found to my suprise there *was* something like Ras...Tanni. Ras > al- > > Tanni is a star in the Draco (Dragon) system, some say alpha > Draconis, > > which I seemed to remember was a star some of the Egyptian pyramids > > were oriented to. > > > > I further noticed that after my encounter with the Saurians or > Dracos, > > my DNA had further shifted, and still another old fear-program had > > dissolved. > > > > > UAU, this is wild! I just realized that this whole phenomenon was > essentially the "flip-side" of some much earlier experiences ocurring > maybe a year after "dying" -- when I wondered in meditation what it > would be like to fuse the three primary Theosophical "Rays" of Will, > Love, and Intelligence, and immediately found myself inside a pyramid > facing a column of fire with some trepidation: I realized I was > expected to enter the fire, and that when I did, it would change my > DNA. After some hesitation, I stepped into it, and was instantly in > no-time-space, pulled up through the top of the pyramid into a portal > vibrating OM so loudly it appeared to shake the whole universe; I > was informed this particular frequency was my "soul-note." > > The next day I repeated the inquiry and found myself going through > the whole process again, this time going *through* the portal and > into a Council of Masters -- 12, around a central One with whom I > instinctively identified. > > After that I saw how we all create world-events from this level, > through conscious or unconscious collective deep-sleeping/dreaming > and there deciding to "incarnate" or "dramatize" these events to > express specific feeling-messages from our Master-selves. > > (I later realized that fusing the three "Rays" fused the Trimurti or > the 3 gunas, of which the OM or A-U-M is the collective result, and > still later found Freemasonic resonances of this experience in their > Initiation of Raising one to be a Master, where the three "ruffians" - > - JubelA, JubelO, and JubelUM -- each possess a part of the Truth, > which needs to be reunited -- AOUM --.) > > So here we have the "recently-dead" me of 1983, entering the pyramid > to encounter and surrender up, essentially, into the radiant-fire of > the "now-me" who has entered down into the pyramid as an Ambassador > of Love in 2005 or therabouts, all to change our reptilian DNA, all > in "Egypt" or its direct counterpart, "Ras-al-Tanni or alpha > Draconis" or whatever. *lol* > > This sort of thing has been happening a lot lately -- the monstrously- > arrogant fiery Brahma-ego *finally* became at least partially > digested when I found myself acting out and *understanding* some > behavior I had *detested* in MMY -- his apparent favoritism towards > certain students, apparently handing them his mantle: why not *I*, > who was *certainly* at *least* as qualified and deserving as they?? > > *rofl* > > *Now* I fully get it. It *wasn't his choice,* any more than it is > mine. My love and appreciation and at-home-ness flows most sweetly > and fully to those who surrender most fully to me, to themSelf. It's > not a matter of choice
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The nature of the catastrophe, and the lack of Federal help; > > Deserves a look at our government; > > At the highest level. > > Where does the buck stop in the summer of 2005? > > R.Gimbel Seattle,WA..Usa. > > > - > Yahoo! Mail for Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. The USA is the only place in the world where 0.5 million dollar a day rescue effort with countless personel and equipment and an initial 10.5 billion dollar Fedral suplemental spending bill - 'the lack of Federal help'. In most places in the world many more people would die. Makes me understand Maya, JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
It is not the amount of money spent that really counts; It's the results, on the ground. On the ground now, in New Orleans, is a lack of help. Watch any news broadcast; read any paper; it is there in black and white and color. What is and has been spent in Iraq, is beyond imagination; And what have we created on the ground in Iraq, with all of our billions spent? It's not the money. It's not the money. We are brainwashed to think, it's always the money. It's the attitude. We are a culture, whose values, are showing; And those values; Are killing us. > > The nature of the catastrophe, and the lack of Federal help; > > > > Deserves a look at our government; > > > > At the highest level. > > > > Where does the buck stop in the summer of 2005? > > > > R.Gimbel Seattle,WA..Usa. > > > > > > - > > Yahoo! Mail for Mobile > > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > > The USA is the only place in the world where 0.5 million dollar a day > rescue effort with countless personel and equipment and an initial > 10.5 billion dollar Fedral suplemental spending bill - 'the lack of > Federal help'. In most places in the world many more people would die. > > Makes me understand Maya, > > JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
It seems to be reaching a certain pitch of questioning; As to what the hell is going on. History has shown; That in times of true need; True leaders, rise to the occassion. Let's hope we're not too far gone. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Robert Gimbel wrote: > > >The nature of the catastrophe, and the lack of Federal help; > > > >Deserves a look at our government; > > > >At the highest level. > > > >Where does the buck stop in the summer of 2005? > > > >R.Gimbel Seattle,WA..Usa. > > > > > >- > >Yahoo! Mail for Mobile > > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > > > > > Maybe this will get people off their duffs and take to the streets > demanding this government resign! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > The nature of the catastrophe, and the lack of Federal help; > > > > Deserves a look at our government; > > > > At the highest level. > > > > Where does the buck stop in the summer of 2005? > > > > R.Gimbel Seattle,WA..Usa. > > > > > > - > > Yahoo! Mail for Mobile > > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > > The USA is the only place in the world where 0.5 million dollar a day > rescue effort with countless personel and equipment and an initial > 10.5 billion dollar Fedral suplemental spending bill - 'the lack of > Federal help'. In most places in the world many more people would die. > > Makes me understand Maya, > > JohnY ??? There are 200,000 people currently inside New Orleans from what I have read. Within a few days, they will ALL be sick or even dying. You tell me what your amazing rescue effort is accomplishing right now. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > The nature of the catastrophe, and the lack of Federal help; > > > > > > Deserves a look at our government; > > > > > > At the highest level. > > > > > > Where does the buck stop in the summer of 2005? > > > > > > R.Gimbel Seattle,WA..Usa. > > > > > > > > > - > > > Yahoo! Mail for Mobile > > > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > > > > The USA is the only place in the world where 0.5 million dollar a > day > > rescue effort with countless personel and equipment and an initial > > 10.5 billion dollar Fedral suplemental spending bill - 'the lack of > > Federal help'. In most places in the world many more people would > die. > > > > Makes me understand Maya, > > > > JohnY > > ??? There are 200,000 people currently inside New Orleans from what I > have read. Within a few days, they will ALL be sick or even dying. > > You tell me what your amazing rescue effort is accomplishing right > now. It's not my amazing rescue effort. How would I know what it being acomplished right now? I doubt that all of the possible 200,000 will all be sick or dying within a few days. I was commenting that the massive Federal effort was seen (after being distorted by the media) as a lack of help. No matter how big the government it can't protect everyone from natural disaster - especially if those suffering live 10-12 feet below sea level. I was involved in a large flood relief effort along the Susquehanna River in 1972. After getting an itinerant TM teacher across the last remaining open bridge I was stuck for several weeks with a local fire dept after the family house was flooded. Food by helicopter, rescue by boat, shoveling mud etc, looting, national guard - the whole works. Everyone did the best they could... people died, dikes broke, bodies floating in the back yard, houses in the back yard... ya I know about it. It was remarkable all that was accomplished despite all the grumbling by folks who didn't understand what was going on. Parts of many communities where never rebuilt. Dikes where rebuilt and rasied. In 1977 it almost happened again... I don't live in the flood plain. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > The nature of the catastrophe, and the lack of Federal help; > > Deserves a look at our government; > > At the highest level. > > Where does the buck stop in the summer of 2005? > > > > R.Gimbel Seattle,WA..Usa. > > > The USA is the only place in the world where 0.5 million dollar a > day rescue effort with countless personel and equipment and an > initial 10.5 billion dollar Fedral suplemental spending bill - 'the > lack of Federal help'. In most places in the world many more people > would die. That may be, but if you've been paying attention to what is actually happening, the utter incompetence with which most of these resources are being used is stupefying. More people on the Gulf Coast, especially New Orleans, have died and *will* die than would have had to die if the feds were even halfway on the ball with this. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You tell me what your amazing rescue effort is accomplishing > > right now. > > It's not my amazing rescue effort. How would I know what it being > acomplished right now? WATCH THE TUBE. I doubt that all of the possible 200,000 will > all be sick or dying within a few days. I was commenting that the > massive Federal effort was seen (after being distorted by the media) > as a lack of help. Sorry, but it's NOT being distorted by the media. I'm listening to a tape of the mayor of New Orleans being interviewed by phone from last night on CNN, cussing a blue streak about what is NOT happening. Somewhere between 15,000 and 50,000 people are marooned at the Convention Center in New Orleans with no food, no water, no sanitary facilities, no medical attention, no INFORMATION. Most of them have been there since Wednesday; the media has repeatedly reported on their plight. Babies and old people and sick people are dying of dehydration because they don't even have WATER. And the head of FEMA last night claimed the feds didn't know anything about them. That is just *criminal* incompetence. > No matter how big the government it can't protect > everyone from natural disaster That isn't even the issue now. The issue is that many tens of thousands of people are in a desperate emergency life-and-death situation and NO ONE IS HELPING THEM. And it's not just in New Orleans, of course, it's up and down the Gulf Coast. There's more coverage of New Orleans because the disaster is so much more highly concentrated there. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > WATCH THE TUBE. There's on-site blogging being done here -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9/2/05 8:19 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Sorry, but it's NOT being distorted by the media. > > Yes it is. There are reporting on the areas they have access to-- > esp. The convention center and the Superdome. What you're not > seeing is the hospitals where the people in medical distress are > and other such places. How about the bayous? Where's the footage of > the people there? I agree, the coverage is probably "distorted" in that it isn't showing how bad it really is. But I was responding to a comment suggesting that the media were showing it as *worse* than it really is. > Keep in mind you have numerous HOSPITALS which lost electricity and > some are completely surrounded by water. In such a situation, these > people will take first priority to people standing around. No, sorry, but there's no damn reason why evacuating hospital patients should mean an inability even to do an air-drop of water and food to the people who are "standing around." > From the perspective of the disaster teams, the largest problems > are access and lack of communication. I don't buy it. Communication-wise, if somebody were just watching the tube, they'd know about some of the worst problems. And again, if access on the ground is a problem, do air-drops of food and water. The biggest problems here are lack of organization and preparedness, complicated by COMPLACENCY. > You also have to consider the basic nature of > triage--the people who are in imminent danger are going to get first > attention and the people standing around who are merely displaced You aren't paying attention. They aren't "merely displaced," they haven't had any food for days and some of them are dying of dehydration. There are people among them who are just as sick and in need of emergency medical attention as those who are being evacuated from hospitals. The triage teams themselves are overwhelmed; they aren't getting any reinforcements and they're running out of medical supplies. > will get > attention when transport arrives and as facilities for them becomes > available. Just because the media is pointing their cameras at a > bunch of people standing around doesn't mean there isn't > significant efforts underway and happening right now. Uh-huh. They've been "standing around" since WEDNESDAY. As far as the Convention Center situation is concerned, there should have been significant efforts underway and happening "right now" as soon as it became evident they were gathering there. The help should have been not just "underway" but *BEING DELIVERED* long since. In general, the media isn't in the areas where the > real work is being done. That's for sure. The question is, why isn't there "real work" being done WHERE THE MEDIA ARE? > > I'm listening to a tape of the mayor of New > > Orleans being interviewed by phone from last > > night on CNN, cussing a blue streak about what > > is NOT happening. > > Maybe he should take more personal and administrative > responsibility for the shortcomings of his own planning and > foresight and appropriate response infrastructure in an area that > as recently as two years ago was hit by a major hurricane. Maybe, but there's plenty of time for him to do that later. Taking responsibility is not going to help the people who are in extremis and not receiving any help NOW. > > Somewhere between 15,000 and 50,000 people are > > marooned at the Convention Center in New Orleans > > with no food, no water, no sanitary facilities, > > no medical attention, no INFORMATION. Most of > > them have been there since Wednesday; the media > > has repeatedly reported on their plight. Babies > > and old people and sick people are dying of > > dehydration because they don't even have WATER. > > This is not true, they are receiving water and food. Maybe they are *now*, but if so it's only in the last few hours. Bush is quoted as having just said they're "trying" to get food and water and medical help to the Convention Center. > The critical people > are/were being lifted out. Remember, the rules of triage apply. Don't tell me to "remember." Get food and water to the people who don't have any so they won't die before they make their way to the top of the evacuation priority list. > > And the head of FEMA last night claimed the feds > > didn't know anything about them. > > > > That is just *criminal* incompetence. > > The city of New Orleans and the state of LA should carry the burden > in terms of incompetence. Bullshit. The incompetence of the feds is happening NOW, and people are dying as a result. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 9/2/05 9:09 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> Keep in mind you have numerous HOSPITALS which lost electricity and > >> some are completely surrounded by water. In such a situation, these > >> people will take first priority to people standing around. > > > > No, sorry, but there's no damn reason why > > evacuating hospital patients should mean an > > inability even to do an air-drop of water and > > food to the people who are "standing around." > > Unfortuantely for those people, their city, who knew quite well the problems > with the low-lying area (in their own city), were very poorly prepared for > their own, already known location issues. The nature of politics demands > that these NOLA and LA. Politicians now blame someone else. No, no, no. You're not getting it. It isn't a matter of "blaming," it's a matter of getting the feds to ACT in a halfway effective manner. > Now the poor pay the price. > > > > >> You also have to consider the basic nature of > >> triage--the people who are in imminent danger are going to get first > >> attention and the people standing around who are merely displaced > > > > You aren't paying attention. They aren't "merely > > displaced," they haven't had any food for days and > > some of them are dying of dehydration. There are > > people among them who are just as sick and in need > > of emergency medical attention as those who are > > being evacuated from hospitals. > > What you have to understand is access will be blocked to these > areas. For example, even the Red Cross will be barred from entering > an area with known violence. According to the reporters who've actually been to the Convention Center, the people who are "standing around" outside are no threat. They've even tried to pick up some of the litter and clean the area up in an attempt to look more respectable. > Their have and will continue to be drops. Not at the Convention Center, not yet. One truck went by and dumped out some supplies from one of the highway overpasses, most of which were destroyed when they hit the ground. Some of the people waiting volunteered to go pick up the supplies directly from the truck and bring them back, and they were waved off with guns. What they got was just a drop in the bucket. > People are being bussed out and > will continue to be. The police and National Guard were telling folks to go to the Convention Center because there would be buses there to take them out. This was on WEDNESDAY. Nary a bus there yet. > Unfortunately they aren't going to risk flying into an area and > losing important rescue crafts and lives if people are shooting at > them! This was a huge part of the recent problem. Why on earth were > they shooting at their own rescuers? This shifted the whole tone > and tenor of the operation. The message sent to the rescuers: come > and get us, but we might be shooting at you! As somebody observed, if New Orleans had been invaded by Iraqi insurgents, there would have been an instant and massive effort to go in and subdue them, or at least keep them away from areas where they could interfere with the rescues. Sending in large numbers of military and law enforcement types to keep order should have been one of the very first things done. Now it's out of control. Very similar to what happened in Iraq after the invasion. > > Bullshit. The incompetence of the feds is > > happening NOW, and people are dying as a > > result. > > LOL, you're clueless. River in Egypt. Unbelievable. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9/2/05 9:51 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > No, no, no. You're not getting it. It isn't a > > matter of "blaming," it's a matter of getting the > > feds to ACT in a halfway effective manner. > > Are you're expecting that to happen? They've been able to do it in previous disasters. > Fed response to disasters is always the last to arrive. Why the NOLA > officials don't have an effective mechanism in place and channel of > communication with FEMA, et al is beyond me. Apparently they didn't > even let the Feds know where they were telling people to gather! It's been public knowledge since WEDNESDAY that people were gathering at the Convention Center without food, water, or medical care. It's been all over the tube. > It's a horrible situation but ultimately those who decided to stay, > for whatever reason, must bear some responsibility for their own > outcome. No, no. *Most* of the people who stayed did so because they could not afford to leave, had no car, no money for transportation, no place to go, no money for a hotel. You're beginning to sound like a mouthpiece for the Bush administration. > I realize you feel the Feds should be there at our beck and call, > but anyone who is realistic will know better. Well, actually, it's the federal government's *JOB* in the case of a disaster like this. > It's easy to micromanage the situation from your perspective in > front of your TV screen but armchair observations are of little > help--even if they do sell papers and boost TV ratings. Gee, did I say somewhere that I thought my observations were helping anybody? Or did you make that up? Your attitude is truly disgusting. > > As somebody observed, if New Orleans had been > > invaded by Iraqi insurgents, there would have > > been an instant and massive effort to go in > > and subdue them, or at least keep them away > > from areas where they could interfere with > > the rescues. > > Well, that's the military's specialty! Right. But they aren't DOING IT. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 9/2/05 10:25 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It's been public knowledge since WEDNESDAY that > > people were gathering at the Convention Center > > without food, water, or medical care. It's been > > all over the tube. > > It has been well televised. > > What they aren't telling you is it's connected to a whole section of the FQ > which is "high and dry". I have a friend still in the FQ who has walked over > several times to the convention center. > > He's also gone other places nearby (within walking distance) for food and > water! And he's told the people at the Convention Center that food and water is available within walking distance, has he? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
You liberals are correct! Katrina is all Bush's fault! Why didn't he stop Katrina? Katrina is a vast right-wing conspiracy! Impeach Bush-- that will definitely help the situation immediately! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 9/2/05 9:51 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > No, no, no. You're not getting it. It isn't a > > > matter of "blaming," it's a matter of getting the > > > feds to ACT in a halfway effective manner. > > > > Are you're expecting that to happen? > > They've been able to do it in previous disasters. > > > Fed response to disasters is always the last to arrive. Why the NOLA > > officials don't have an effective mechanism in place and channel of > > communication with FEMA, et al is beyond me. Apparently they didn't > > even let the Feds know where they were telling people to gather! > > It's been public knowledge since WEDNESDAY that > people were gathering at the Convention Center > without food, water, or medical care. It's been > all over the tube. > > > It's a horrible situation but ultimately those who decided to stay, > > for whatever reason, must bear some responsibility for their own > > outcome. > > No, no. *Most* of the people who stayed did so > because they could not afford to leave, had no > car, no money for transportation, no place to go, > no money for a hotel. > > You're beginning to sound like a mouthpiece > for the Bush administration. > > > I realize you feel the Feds should be there at our beck and call, > > but anyone who is realistic will know better. > > Well, actually, it's the federal government's > *JOB* in the case of a disaster like this. > > > It's easy to micromanage the situation from your perspective in > > front of your TV screen but armchair observations are of little > > help--even if they do sell papers and boost TV ratings. > > Gee, did I say somewhere that I thought my > observations were helping anybody? Or did > you make that up? > > Your attitude is truly disgusting. > > > > As somebody observed, if New Orleans had been > > > invaded by Iraqi insurgents, there would have > > > been an instant and massive effort to go in > > > and subdue them, or at least keep them away > > > from areas where they could interfere with > > > the rescues. > > > > Well, that's the military's specialty! > > Right. But they aren't DOING IT. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9/2/05 11:11 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > And he's told the people at the Convention Center > > that food and water is available within walking > > distance, has he? > > You'd have to ask him, but anyone from NOLA would be aware as they > are connected and dry. Ah, I see. So they're just being stubborn, then. They're lying about babies and old and sick folks dying from lack of food and water; or they're just to goldurn lazy to go get it for them. Actually, it's probably all because they want to see themselves on TV, right? You know, Vaj, you really should call the media and tell them they're making a big fuss over nothing. It would be quite a sensation. You might even get to be on TV yourself. Heck, you might receive a commendation from Our Preznit. I'd get right on it if I were you. Those poor folks have been allowed to get away with this scam for *much* too long. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 9/2/05 12:42 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Ah, I see. So they're just being stubborn, then. > > > No you don't. Any conclusions you draw are your own and in no way > reflect what I was saying. > > I simply commented I know a poor person who is has walked over there > and also back to the FQ. He was able to eat and get water. Goodness gracious, you seem inadvertently to have snipped the comment of yours I was responding to: "You'd have to ask him, but anyone from NOLA would be aware as they are connected and dry." Now, let's see, "anyone from NOLA" would seem to include just about everyone at the Convention Center, right? So what you're saying is that just about everyone at the Convention Center knows that food and water are available within walking distance. Have I got it so far? Yet the people at the Convention Center are screaming bloody murder that they have no food and water; and babies and old and sick people are known to have died there of dehydration. So: If food and water is in fact available within walking distance, and they all know about it, yet they're loudly complaining they have no food and water and that people are dying because of it... Seems to me you have to posit that they're all lying about being in need, all umpty-thousand of them. I'd love to hear what other conclusion one could draw. Given, of course, that your facts are correct. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually just heard again from my friend in the FQ. Here's what I > have: > > People are going around offering water & food they loot to other > survivors with mantras of "may you never thirst" & "fear is the > mind killer". > > They've looted a little water & food. "Looted" water and food...interesting use of terms. > Violence is minimal-- most people are pulling together & helping > each other Yes, that's what the media have been reporting. It's quite amazing given their desperate situation. > He's had a water & one MRE. > > People recognize him (he's a popular cult figure and author) he > reports how friendly and supportive most everyone is... trying to > keep morale high. > > Buses did turn up at the convention center yesterday but they were > without guards/support and had to turn back. Why, if everything was so peaceful? > The police are preventing people from moving around once they are > in an area, so it is effectively like a concentration camp. Ah. Maybe that's why they didn't all just take a little stroll and help themselves to food and water. You think? > Apparently military convoys are just arriving with food and water. That's what I've been reading. Some of the news stories are saying trucks with food and water have actually reached the Convention Center, but I haven't seen any film of it yet, so that may just be wishful thinking on the basis that they *intend* to go to the Convention Center. It looks like things are *finally* starting to look up for the Convention Center folks. But it took too f*cking long. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 9/2/05 9:15:01 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Fed response to disasters is always the last to arrive. Why the NOLA > officials don't have an effective mechanism in place and channel of > communication with FEMA, et al is beyond me. Apparently they didn't even let > the Feds know where they were telling people to gather! > > It's a horrible situation but ultimately those who decided to stay, for > whatever reason, must bear some responsibility for their own outcome. I > realize you feel the Feds should be there at our beck and call, but anyone > who is realistic will know better. > > It's easy to micromanage the situation from your perspective in front of > your TV screen but armchair observations are of little help--even if they do > sell papers and boost TV ratings. > > > > Vaj you have a very good perspective, intellectual, not emotional > perspective of the situation. NOLA and LA. are supposed to plans ready for these kinds > of events and the Feds aid those plans. There is a terrible lack of > communication on everybody's part which makes the whole thing even more frustrating. > The feds have given the governor everything she has asked for and more. > Obviously it's the feds that are having to come in and clean up the lack of > preparedness of the local governments. things could have been further along had the > Governor grown some balls and declared martial law with a shoot to kill > policy a couple of days ago. What I would like to know is: post 9-11, what does the legislation -- both federal and state -- say about disasters and terrorist attacks and whose responsibility it is to make the plans and to deal with the aftermaths? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/2/05 2:22 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Violence is minimal-- most people are pulling together & helping > >> each other > >> Buses did turn up at the convention center yesterday but they > >> were without guards/support and had to turn back. > > > > Why, if everything was so peaceful? > > You thought it was peaceful? Gee, I could have sworn you just said something like, "Violence is minimal-- most people are pulling together & helping each other." > >> The police are preventing people from moving around once they are > >> in an area, so it is effectively like a concentration camp. > > > > Ah. Maybe that's why they didn't all just take > > a little stroll and help themselves to food and > > water. You think? > > For some it did, for others not. Help me parse this, please. What is the antecedent of "it"? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 9/2/05 2:47 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Gee, I could have sworn you just said something like, > > "Violence is minimal-- most people are pulling together > > & helping each other." > > Try to think outside the box Judy, I can't spell out every little > thing you don't "get" (which based on your endless litany of posts, > seems to be quite a lot)! Let's see, since I've been posting a lot, that must mean I don't get a lot of things? Vaj, you are such a putz. > He was talking about the French Quarter (abbrev.: FQ). Right. But you didn't quote him as talking *about* the FQ. You said your friend *in* the FQ had told you this and that, and previously you'd been telling us what he'd said about the Convention Center. You frequently aren't clear, Vaj. I'm hardly the only one to have remarked on it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 9/2/05 8:19 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Sorry, but it's NOT being distorted by the media. > > Yes it is. There are reporting on the areas they have access to-- esp. The > convention center and the Superdome. What you're not seeing is the hospitals > where the people in medical distress are and other such places. How about > the bayous? Where's the footage of the people there? > > Keep in mind you have numerous HOSPITALS which lost electricity and some are > completely surrounded by water. In such a situation, these people will take > first priority to people standing around. > > From the perspective of the disaster teams, the largest problems are access > and lack of communication. You also have to consider the basic nature of > triage--the people who are in imminent danger are going to get first > attention and the people standing around who are merely displaced will get > attention when transport arrives and as facilities for them becomes > available. Just because the media is pointing their cameras at a bunch of > people standing around doesn't mean there isn't significant efforts underway > and happening right now. In general, the media isn't in the areas where the > real work is being done. Why not? > > > > > I'm listening to a tape of the mayor of New > > Orleans being interviewed by phone from last > > night on CNN, cussing a blue streak about what > > is NOT happening. > > Maybe he should take more personal and administrative responsibility for the > shortcomings of his own planning and foresight and appropriate response > infrastructure in an area that as recently as two years ago was hit by a > major hurricane. > > > > > Somewhere between 15,000 and 50,000 people are > > marooned at the Convention Center in New Orleans > > with no food, no water, no sanitary facilities, > > no medical attention, no INFORMATION. Most of > > them have been there since Wednesday; the media > > has repeatedly reported on their plight. Babies > > and old people and sick people are dying of > > dehydration because they don't even have WATER. > > This is not true, they are receiving water and food. The critical people > are/were being lifted out. Remember, the rules of triage apply. > > > How do you know? > > And the head of FEMA last night claimed the feds > > didn't know anything about them. > > > > That is just *criminal* incompetence. > > The city of New Orleans and the state of LA should carry the burden in terms > of incompetence. NOLA was and is riddled with corruption. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
> What I would like to know is: post 9-11, what does the > legislation - both federal and state -- say about disasters > and terrorist attacks and whose responsibility it is to make > the plans and to deal with the aftermaths? > So far the left has had a hard time finding a theory. Michelle Malkin has a definitive deconstruction of the "underfunded levee construction" theory, which yesterday seemed like the left's most promising line of attack. The Army Corps of Engineers says the "underfunding" theory is bogus: Unfortunately, while Americans from all walks of life have been busy raising money, the unhinged Left keeps slinging bull! Read more: 'The Blame Game' By Michelle Malkin http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003447.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 9/2/05 11:11 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > And he's told the people at the Convention Center > > > that food and water is available within walking > > > distance, has he? > > > > You'd have to ask him, but anyone from NOLA would be aware as they > > are connected and dry. > > Ah, I see. So they're just being stubborn, then. > They're lying about babies and old and sick folks > dying from lack of food and water; or they're just > to goldurn lazy to go get it for them. > > Actually, it's probably all because they want to > see themselves on TV, right? > > You know, Vaj, you really should call the media and > tell them they're making a big fuss over nothing. It > would be quite a sensation. You might even get to > be on TV yourself. > > Heck, you might receive a commendation from Our Preznit. > > I'd get right on it if I were you. Those poor folks > have been allowed to get away with this scam for > *much* too long. I'm just wondering how Vaj knows how is friend is doing... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 9/2/05 12:42 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Ah, I see. So they're just being stubborn, then. > > > No you don't. Any conclusions you draw are your own and in no way reflect > what I was saying. > > I simply commented I know a poor person who is has walked over there and > also back to the FQ. He was able to eat and get water. Who told you this and how did he know and how did you hear about it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What I would like to know is: post 9-11, what does the > > legislation - both federal and state -- say about disasters > > and terrorist attacks and whose responsibility it is to make > > the plans and to deal with the aftermaths? > > > So far the left has had a hard time finding a theory. > > Michelle Malkin has a definitive deconstruction Right, like her "definitive" defense of the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II. of the "underfunded > levee construction" theory, which yesterday seemed like the left's > most promising line of attack. The Army Corps of Engineers says the > "underfunding" theory is bogus: > > Unfortunately, while Americans from all walks of life have been busy > raising money, the unhinged Left keeps slinging bull! > > Read more: > > 'The Blame Game' > By Michelle Malkin > http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003447.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 9/2/05 2:22 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Actually just heard again from my friend in the FQ. Here's what I > >> have: > >> > >> People are going around offering water & food they loot to other > >> survivors with mantras of "may you never thirst" & "fear is the > >> mind killer". > >> > >> They've looted a little water & food. > > > > "Looted" water and food...interesting use > > of terms. > > Just honest. Since most food in a flood-ravaged city is going to spoil before it can be sold, who cares? Someone I know who thinks that all looters should be shot refers to people who grab food off of shelves of the stores as food scavangers to make the distinction. > > > > >> Violence is minimal-- most people are pulling together & helping > >> each other > > > > Yes, that's what the media have been reporting. > > It's quite amazing given their desperate situation. > > I'm sure it's different depending on where you are in the city. > > > > >> He's had a water & one MRE. > >> > >> People recognize him (he's a popular cult figure and author) he > >> reports how friendly and supportive most everyone is... trying to > >> keep morale high. > >> > >> Buses did turn up at the convention center yesterday but they were > >> without guards/support and had to turn back. > > > > Why, if everything was so peaceful? > > You thought it was peaceful? > > > > >> The police are preventing people from moving around once they are > >> in an area, so it is effectively like a concentration camp. > > > > Ah. Maybe that's why they didn't all just take > > a little stroll and help themselves to food and > > water. You think? > > For some it did, for others not. > > > > >> Apparently military convoys are just arriving with food and water. > > > > That's what I've been reading. Some of the news > > stories are saying trucks with food and water have > > actually reached the Convention Center, but I haven't > > seen any film of it yet, so that may just be wishful > > thinking on the basis that they *intend* to go to > > the Convention Center. > > > > It looks like things are *finally* starting to look > > up for the Convention Center folks. But it took too > > f*cking long. > > Yeah, maybe they'll do better next time? It's an unusual situation as > typically when you have flooding, it subsides. Of course in this case it did > not. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What I would like to know is: post 9-11, what does the > > legislation - both federal and state -- say about disasters > > and terrorist attacks and whose responsibility it is to make > > the plans and to deal with the aftermaths? > > > So far the left has had a hard time finding a theory. > > Michelle Malkin has a definitive deconstruction of the "underfunded > levee construction" theory, which yesterday seemed like the left's > most promising line of attack. The Army Corps of Engineers says the > "underfunding" theory is bogus: > > Unfortunately, while Americans from all walks of life have been busy > raising money, the unhinged Left keeps slinging bull! > > Read more: > > 'The Blame Game' > By Michelle Malkin > http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003447.htm It appears from the blog that one of the causes of levees not being built/strenghened was environmental laws! an egret nest lay in the path! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 'The Blame Game' > > By Michelle Malkin > > http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003447.htm > > It appears from the blog that one of the causes of levees not being > built/strenghened was environmental laws! an egret nest lay in the > path! No, it was an egret nesting *area*, not just one nest, and all it did was create a delay of a few months on one particular project. You really have the right-wing spin down pat, Shemp. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 9/2/05 2:22 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> Actually just heard again from my friend in the FQ. Here's what I > > >> have: > > >> > > >> People are going around offering water & food they loot to other > > >> survivors with mantras of "may you never thirst" & "fear is the > > >> mind killer". > > >> > > >> They've looted a little water & food. > > > > > > "Looted" water and food...interesting use > > > of terms. > > > > Just honest. > > Since most food in a flood-ravaged city is going to spoil before it > can be sold, who cares? ...not canned or dry foods (as long as the dry foods aren't touched by water)... > > Someone I know who thinks that all looters should be shot refers to > people who grab food off of shelves of the stores as food scavangers > to make the distinction. > > > > > > > >> Violence is minimal-- most people are pulling together & helping > > >> each other > > > > > > Yes, that's what the media have been reporting. > > > It's quite amazing given their desperate situation. > > > > I'm sure it's different depending on where you are in the city. > > > > > > > >> He's had a water & one MRE. > > >> > > >> People recognize him (he's a popular cult figure and author) he > > >> reports how friendly and supportive most everyone is... trying to > > >> keep morale high. > > >> > > >> Buses did turn up at the convention center yesterday but they > were > > >> without guards/support and had to turn back. > > > > > > Why, if everything was so peaceful? > > > > You thought it was peaceful? > > > > > > > >> The police are preventing people from moving around once they are > > >> in an area, so it is effectively like a concentration camp. > > > > > > Ah. Maybe that's why they didn't all just take > > > a little stroll and help themselves to food and > > > water. You think? > > > > For some it did, for others not. > > > > > > > >> Apparently military convoys are just arriving with food and > water. > > > > > > That's what I've been reading. Some of the news > > > stories are saying trucks with food and water have > > > actually reached the Convention Center, but I haven't > > > seen any film of it yet, so that may just be wishful > > > thinking on the basis that they *intend* to go to > > > the Convention Center. > > > > > > It looks like things are *finally* starting to look > > > up for the Convention Center folks. But it took too > > > f*cking long. > > > > Yeah, maybe they'll do better next time? It's an unusual situation > as > > typically when you have flooding, it subsides. Of course in this > case it did > > not. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > 'The Blame Game' > > > By Michelle Malkin > > > http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003447.htm > > > > It appears from the blog that one of the causes of levees not being > > built/strenghened was environmental laws! an egret nest lay in the > > path! > > No, it was an egret nesting *area*, not just one > nest, and all it did was create a delay of a few > months on one particular project. > > You really have the right-wing spin down pat, Shemp. Why do the heavy lifting when I can always rely on you to do the resaerching and the googling for me in your never-ending life's work to correct me? Thanks once again... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Time for Impeachment?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 9/2/05 2:22 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > >> They've looted a little water & food. > > > > > > > > "Looted" water and food...interesting use > > > > of terms. > > > > > > Just honest. > > > > Since most food in a flood-ravaged city is going to spoil before > > it can be sold, who cares? > > ...not canned or dry foods (as long as the dry foods aren't touched > by water)... Highly unlikely any storekeepers will be coming back to claim them at this point. The correct term for taking food and water in this situation would be "scavenging," not "looting." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time is Come
"Weather patterns will keep changing toward an intensified water cycle with stronger floods and droughts. Most regions now subject to droughts will probably get drier (because of warmth as well as less precipitation), and most wet regions will get wetter. Extreme weather events will become more frequent and worse. In particular, storms with more intense rainfall are liable to bring worse floods. Mountain glaciers and winter snowpack will shrink, jeopardizing many water supply systems. Each of these things has already begun to happen in some regions.(23)" http://www.aip.org/history/climate/impacts.htm#impacts > > Tonight: Rain. Low around 36. East wind around 15 mph, with gusts as high as > 25 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New rainfall amounts between a > quarter and half of an inch possible. > > Thursday: Rain. High near 40. East wind between 10 and 15 mph, with gusts as > high as 25 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New rainfall amounts between > a half and three quarters of an inch possible. > > Thursday Night: Rain before midnight, then occasional rain, snow, and sleet. > The rain could be heavy at times. Some thunder is also possible. Low around > 30. Northeast wind around 15 mph becoming south. Winds could gust as high as > 20 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow and sleet accumulation of > less than a half inch possible. > > Christmas Day: Snow. High near 30. Breezy. Chance of precipitation is 80%. > New snow accumulation of around 1 inch. > > Friday Night: A 50 percent chance of snow. Cloudy, with a low around 17. > > Saturday: A 40 percent chance of snow. Cloudy, with a high near 26. > > Saturday Night: A 30 percent chance of snow. Cloudy, with a low around 18. > > Sunday: A slight chance of snow. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 24. > Christmas Day: Rain before 9am, then occasional snow. Temperature falling to around 16 by 3pm. East wind around 15 mph becoming south. Winds could gust as high as 25 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. Total daytime snow accumulation of less than 1 inch possible. Tonight: Snow. Temperature rising to around 25 by 9pm. South wind around 15 mph, with gusts as high as 25 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New snow accumulation of around 1 inch. Saturday: Snow likely. Cloudy, with a high near 23. North wind between 10 and 15 mph. Chance of precipitation is 70%. New snow accumulation of around 1 inch. Saturday Night: A 50 percent chance of snow. Cloudy, with a low around 15. New snow accumulation of less than 1 inch possible. Sunday: A 20 percent chance of snow. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 23. Sunday Night: Scattered flurries. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 14.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time is Come
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" wrote: > > "Weather patterns will keep changing toward an intensified water cycle with > stronger floods and droughts. Most regions now subject to droughts will > probably get drier (because of warmth as well as less precipitation), and > most wet regions will get wetter. Extreme weather events will become more > frequent and worse. In particular, storms with more intense rainfall are > liable to bring worse floods. Mountain glaciers and winter snowpack will > shrink, jeopardizing many water supply systems. Each of these things has > already begun to happen in some regions.(23)" > > http://www.aip.org/history/climate/impacts.htm#impacts > Ah, wouldn't life be nice if the DEVIL was a simple fellow, a scapegoat *bad guy* that we could target and get our fallible little heads around? Many have tried (and always will try) to reduce the damnable complexity to the manageable simplicity of a DEVIL. As in the above: CO2. The proper science stubbornly refuses to kow-tow: On "black carbon" v CO2: "During El Nino years, fires in tropical forests and peatlands in equatorial Asia create large regional smoke clouds. We characterized the sensitivity of these clouds to regional drought, and we investigated their effects on climate by using an atmospheric general circulation model. Satellite observations during 2000-2006 indicated that El Nino-induced regional drought led to increases in fire emissions and, consequently, increases in aerosol optical depths over Sumatra, Borneo and the surrounding ocean. Next, we used the Community Atmosphere Model (CAM) to investigate how climate responded to this forcing. We conducted two 30 year simulations in which monthly fire emissions were prescribed for either a high (El Nino; 1997) or low (La Nina; 2000) fire year using a satellite derived time series of fire emissions. Our simulations included the direct and semi-direct effects of aerosols on the radiation budget within the model. Fire aerosols reduced net shortwave radiation at the surface during AugustOctober by 19.1 ± 12.9 Wm?2 (10%) in a region that encompassed most of Sumatra and Borneo (90E120E, 5S5N). The reductions in net radiation cooled sea surface temperatures (SSTs) and land surface temperatures by 0.5 ± 0.3 and 0.4 ± 0.2C during these months. Tropospheric heating from black carbon (BC) absorption averaged 20.5 ± 9.3 Wm?2 and was balanced by a reduction in latent heating. The combination of decreased SSTs and increased atmospheric heating reduced regional precipitation by 0.9 ± 0.6 mmd?1 (10%). The vulnerability of ecosystems to fire was enhanced because the decreases in precipitation exceeded those for evapotranspiration. Together, the satellite and modeling results imply a possible positive feedback loop in which anthropogenic burning in the region intensifies drought stress during El Nino." A New Paper On The Role Of Biomass Burning On The Climate System Tosca Et Al 2009 "Papers which document human climate forcings other than CO2 continue to be published" http://tinyurl.com/yz84k4j Black carbon (not CO2) is also implicated in retreating Arctic ice and Himalayan glaciers. But...who really knows? Merry Christmas Richard M
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time is Come
> > "Weather patterns will keep changing toward an intensified water cycle with > stronger floods and droughts. Most regions now subject to droughts will > probably get drier (because of warmth as well as less precipitation), and > most wet regions will get wetter. Extreme weather events will become more > frequent and worse. In particular, storms with more intense rainfall are > liable to bring worse floods. Mountain glaciers and winter snowpack will > shrink, jeopardizing many water supply systems. Each of these things has > already begun to happen in some regions.(23)" > > http://www.aip.org/history/climate/impacts.htm#impacts > > "Adopt Plain Living and High Thinking Now" "How can you meet the world crisis that is coming? The best way is to adopt plain living and thigh thinking. Unless you make drastic changes in your living habits immediately, you will be rudely surprised; conditions will change in a way you cannot imagine now. Keep life simple and enjoy what God has provided, without seeking false and expensive pleasures. There is much in God's hidden nature to fascinate the mind of man. Use your free time to read worthwhile books, meditate, and enjoy an uncomplicated life. Isn't this better simple living, fewer worries, and the time to seek God -than to have a huge house, many cars, and time payments and a mortgage you cannot meet? Most of all I emphasize that you should get busy seeking God through meditation. I do not speak to you through emotion, but through the vibration of my own experience. God can be contacted at any moment, any day! It is possible to feel the inspiration of His presence anytime, in any place. So that whenever you think of Him, His inspiration will be there. In every lovely experience you will behold God. Just below the shadows of this life is His wondrous Light. The universe is a vast temple of His presence. When you meditate, you will find doors opening to Him everywhere. When you have communion with Him, not all the ravages of the world can take away that Joy and Peace." -Paramahansa Yogananda > > > > Tonight: Rain. Low around 36. East wind around 15 mph, with gusts as high > > as 25 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New rainfall amounts between a > > quarter and half of an inch possible. > > > > Thursday: Rain. High near 40. East wind between 10 and 15 mph, with gusts > > as high as 25 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New rainfall amounts > > between a half and three quarters of an inch possible. > > > > Thursday Night: Rain before midnight, then occasional rain, snow, and > > sleet. The rain could be heavy at times. Some thunder is also possible. Low > > around 30. Northeast wind around 15 mph becoming south. Winds could gust as > > high as 20 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow and sleet > > accumulation of less than a half inch possible. > > > > Christmas Day: Snow. High near 30. Breezy. Chance of precipitation is 80%. > > New snow accumulation of around 1 inch. > > > > Friday Night: A 50 percent chance of snow. Cloudy, with a low around 17. > > > > Saturday: A 40 percent chance of snow. Cloudy, with a high near 26. > > > > Saturday Night: A 30 percent chance of snow. Cloudy, with a low around 18. > > > > Sunday: A slight chance of snow. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 24. > > > Christmas Day: Rain before 9am, then occasional snow. Temperature falling to > around 16 by 3pm. East wind around 15 mph becoming south. Winds could gust as > high as 25 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. Total daytime snow > accumulation of less than 1 inch possible. > > Tonight: Snow. Temperature rising to around 25 by 9pm. South wind around 15 > mph, with gusts as high as 25 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New snow > accumulation of around 1 inch. > > Saturday: Snow likely. Cloudy, with a high near 23. North wind between 10 and > 15 mph. Chance of precipitation is 70%. New snow accumulation of around 1 > inch. > > Saturday Night: A 50 percent chance of snow. Cloudy, with a low around 15. > New snow accumulation of less than 1 inch possible. > > Sunday: A 20 percent chance of snow. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 23. > > Sunday Night: Scattered flurries. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 14. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time is Come
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" wrote: > > "How can you meet the world crisis that is coming? > The best way is to adopt plain living and thigh thinking." > -Paramahansa Yogananda Yogananda and I are on the same page. My dogs and I made our annual Christmas Giving Walk around Sitges today and achieved a new "personal best" -- we made 473 people smile in less than an hour. Many of them were attractive young women, and following Yogananda's advice I thought about their thighs a lot. I feel much more capable of dealing with any crisis now. :-) [Barry's Christmas Dogs] Merry Christmas from Barry, Paris and Pippin...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time is Come
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > a new "personal best" -- we made 473 > people smile in less than an hour. Many of them were > attractive young women, and following Yogananda's > advice I thought about their thighs a lot. I feel much > more capable of dealing with any crisis now. :-) > > [Barry's Christmas Dogs] > > Merry Christmas from Barry, Paris and Pippin... > You didn't? Dear Barry of Sitges, writing now as an elder conservative meditator i hope for you. Literally in that only one small typo did throw you off the path. Too, i left off that quote the part about 'time is short'. Jai the Gurus who hath Straightened the path before us to Peace on Earth. It may take some discipline, restraint even, to square your steps along the path. Om Mortal character, avert not your eyes from the way no more less you stray off again. Come back to meditation. 'tis a large grace and the great opportunity in a human life. Don't miss out no longer. -D in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time is Come
> > > > > > > "Weather patterns will keep changing toward an intensified water cycle with > > stronger floods and droughts. Most regions now subject to droughts will > > probably get drier (because of warmth as well as less precipitation), and > > most wet regions will get wetter. Extreme weather events will become more > > frequent and worse. In particular, storms with more intense rainfall are > > liable to bring worse floods. Mountain glaciers and winter snowpack will > > shrink, jeopardizing many water supply systems. Each of these things has > > already begun to happen in some regions.(23)" > > > > http://www.aip.org/history/climate/impacts.htm#impacts > > > > > > "Adopt Plain Living > and High Thinking Now" > > "How can you meet the world crisis that is coming? > The best way is to adopt plain living and high thinking. Unless you make > drastic changes in your living habits immediately, you will be rudely > surprised; conditions will change in a way you cannot imagine now. > > Keep life simple and enjoy what God has provided, without seeking false and > expensive pleasures. There is much in God's hidden nature to fascinate the > mind of man. Use your free time to read worthwhile books, meditate, and > enjoy an uncomplicated life. > > Isn't this better simple living, fewer worries, and the time to seek God > -than to have a huge house, many cars, and time payments and a mortgage you > cannot meet? > > > Most of all I emphasize that you should get busy seeking God through > meditation. > I do not speak to you through emotion, but through the vibration of my own > experience. God can be contacted at any moment, any day! It is possible to > feel the inspiration of His presence anytime, in any place. So that whenever > you think of Him, His inspiration will be there. In every lovely experience > you will behold God. > > Just below the shadows of this life is His wondrous Light. The universe is a > vast temple of His presence. When you meditate, you will find doors opening > to Him everywhere. When you have communion with Him, not all the ravages of > the world can take away that Joy and Peace." > > -Paramahansa Yogananda > "Self-effort and Grace are interdependent. Without one, the other is impossible." -Amma > > > > > > Tonight: Rain. Low around 36. East wind around 15 mph, with gusts as high > > > as 25 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New rainfall amounts between > > > a quarter and half of an inch possible. > > > > > > Thursday: Rain. High near 40. East wind between 10 and 15 mph, with gusts > > > as high as 25 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New rainfall amounts > > > between a half and three quarters of an inch possible. > > > > > > Thursday Night: Rain before midnight, then occasional rain, snow, and > > > sleet. The rain could be heavy at times. Some thunder is also possible. > > > Low around 30. Northeast wind around 15 mph becoming south. Winds could > > > gust as high as 20 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow and > > > sleet accumulation of less than a half inch possible. > > > > > > Christmas Day: Snow. High near 30. Breezy. Chance of precipitation is > > > 80%. New snow accumulation of around 1 inch. > > > > > > Friday Night: A 50 percent chance of snow. Cloudy, with a low around 17. > > > > > > Saturday: A 40 percent chance of snow. Cloudy, with a high near 26. > > > > > > Saturday Night: A 30 percent chance of snow. Cloudy, with a low around > > > 18. > > > > > > Sunday: A slight chance of snow. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 24. > > > > > Christmas Day: Rain before 9am, then occasional snow. Temperature falling > > to around 16 by 3pm. East wind around 15 mph becoming south. Winds could > > gust as high as 25 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. Total daytime snow > > accumulation of less than 1 inch possible. > > > > Tonight: Snow. Temperature rising to around 25 by 9pm. South wind around 15 > > mph, with gusts as high as 25 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New snow > > accumulation of around 1 inch. > > > > Saturday: Snow likely. Cloudy, with a high near 23. North wind between 10 > > and 15 mph. Chance of precipitation is 70%. New snow accumulation of around > > 1 inch. > > > > Saturday Night: A 50 percent chance of snow. Cloudy, with a low around 15. > > New snow accumulation of less than 1 inch possible. > > > > Sunday: A 20 percent chance of snow. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 23. > > > > Sunday Night: Scattered flurries. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 14. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to buy NOK??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > http://seekingalpha.com/article/921191-it-s-raining-good-news-on-nokia?source=email_rt_article_readmore&ifp=0 > > NOK: around USD 2.55 > > AAPL: around USD 6.30 Ooops! USD 630... > > satyam eva jayate?? >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
do you remember who your initiator was? From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 11:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > Does anyone remember if Maharishi actually said that enlightenment could > > come in 3-6 years or is it some pervasive Movement rumor? > > I know people who were promised it in 7 years. My TM teacher made no such claims but he did say that if kids learn the walking mantra at the earliest opportunity and switch to TM at age 10 and then the siddhis at 15, they would be enlightened for college.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
I remember Bob Fickes who worked on International staff for a few years saying that it was the idea that you mold yourself to whatever the guru was doing and thinking and that is how you attuned yourself to the enlightened energy of the master. As an aside about Bob and Jerry, Bob once told me he was the one who convinced Maharishi to dismantle the Area Capitol set-up for the Movement. He said the Area Capitols were draining money away from the local TM Centers and some of the centers were having to close and there were other issues. When he approached M about it, Marshy called Jerry in and M repeated each thing Bob had said and asked if these things were true, and according to Bob, Jerry would look at the floor and nod or say "Yes, Maharishi its true." Then Marshy told him to put an end to the Area Capitol structure. Don't know if it is true, but Bob told me that in 1991 in California. From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 10:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > Does anyone remember if Maharishi actually said that > > enlightenment could come in 3-6 years or is it some > > pervasive Movement rumor? > > I have never heard that "3 to 6 years" figure. > However, when I first saw him in L.A. in 1967, > he was asked "How long should it take to get > to cosmic consciousness?" and he answered > "Five years." There were even brochures handed > out at 1015 Gayley with that claim on them. > > Then five years passed for some of the "early > starters," and the figure on the brochure was > ...uh...revised to "five to seven years." That > was claimed for some time, until it was > dropped entirely. > > If Jerry Jarvis says that this was never claimed, > he is delusional, senile or lying. He was my TM > teacher; he handed me one of those brochures > himself. Partly in Jerry's defense, since I liked him and probably would still if we met, a fourth option to the ones I listed above would be IMO that he could be suffering from LKS. That stands for "Latest Knowledge Syndrome," and should be well known by any TM teacher here who is willing to be honest. It's what happened when Maharishi decided to reinvent the wheel and use a new set of buzz- words or phrases to describe things. Like "World Plan Executive Council" instead of "SIMS," or "home of all knowledge" instead of "the Absolute." He would just switch over to the new dogma-speak, and everyone was expected to follow suit. The old language and way of presenting things was "out," and the new way was "in." As much as I liked Jerry, he was one of the clearest examples of buying LKS lock, stock, and barrel I've ever encountered. I worked fairly closely with him at National, and when a shift like this happened, it was as if Jerry shifted immediately into the new "in" language, and seemingly *didn't even remember* the old language. Do this a few times -- or, as in Jerry's case a few hundred times -- and it's conceivable that he honestly *couldn't* remember the previous "in" language or the ways that things were pre- sented previously. You certainly see this even in the modern TM movement. This "change of language and change of presentation" IS, after all, one of the prime reasons Maharishi began the "recertification" silliness. He was trying to make sure that no TM teachers were using the "old" language, only the new, "approved" language. So they had to pay a second time to be "retrained" as TM teachers. How likely is it that any "recertified" TM teacher can remember clearly the language and the sales pitches they were carefully trained no longer to use? How likely is it that Jerry can remember what was printed on the brochures that *he* handed out at 1015 Gayley? I do know that he was at the same public talk as I was at which Maharishi said "five years" clearly, in response to an audience question. Then again, based on info in a post made here on FFL, Jerry is in his early 80s at this point. He simply may not remember, or may be given to remembering only what he wants to remember.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
Dang if I know - it was the term that was prevalent when I learned in 1974 and for some reason it has always stuck in my mind. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 11:44 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > do you remember who your initiator was? Yes, a nice bloke but I doubt he'd want to be named on here. He used to make me laugh when he'd go on about the unified field being consciousness and I'd say that the rest of the physics world might have something to say about that, I told him it was probably intended as an analogy, but it isn't a very good one and he'd get embarrassed because he couldn't explain and obviously didn't really understand it. Still, he did a good job teaching the mantra because I still do it! And I never liked the term "initiator" as I don't consider I was initiated into something. I bet newbies wouldn't like it either. So what's the thinking behind the term, any clues from those among us who finished TTC? > > From: salyavin808 > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 11:24 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment > > > > Â > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone remember if Maharishi actually said that enlightenment could > > > come in 3-6 years or is it some pervasive Movement rumor? > > > > I know people who were promised it in 7 years. > > My TM teacher made no such claims but he did say that if kids learn > the walking mantra at the earliest opportunity and switch to TM at > age 10 and then the siddhis at 15, they would be enlightened for > college. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment
I heard once that the idea is that people would be getting into GC as they got married and have children. Seems like a good plan to me. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 10:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Time to Enlightenment --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > Does anyone remember if Maharishi actually said that enlightenment could > > come in 3-6 years or is it some pervasive Movement rumor? > > I know people who were promised it in 7 years. My TM teacher made no such claims but he did say that if kids learn the walking mantra at the earliest opportunity and switch to TM at age 10 and then the siddhis at 15, they would be enlightened for college.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to buy NOK?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > Although Nokia's 1865 Western chart (5/12/1865, Tampere, Finland) has tr. > Pluto trine rx. Pluto, I would be extremely cautious in considering buying > NOK! > http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/nok/real-time#.USaqMKWZWMI
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to buy FB??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote: > > > http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/fb/real-time > I mean, @ about $34.5 ...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Time to buy FB??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > On 05/21/2012 11:15 AM, cardemaister wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote: > >> > >> http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/fb/real-time > >> > > I mean, @ about $34.5 ... > > > > > > If you like to gamble and lose money. It was WAY overvalued. But then > there is no lack of stupid people who play the Wall Street casino which > BTW needs a LOT of regulation. > Is Mark implying he should be trusted like Bernie Madoff? LoL! http://thestir.cafemom.com/entertainment/109410/facebook_ceo_mark_zuckerberg_thinks
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: time and reincarnation
Rory wrote: This is one of the oddest things I've noticed about "life after death" - - how progressively more difficult it is to summon desire, even for things that are at the time riproaringly fun and heartbreakingly satisfying. Well, Rory, I can totally relate to that. It occurs to me to wonder if this is part of the reason most cultures sequester types like us behind monastery walls. The "knowledge" of meditation techniques are never lost (as MMY has claimed), but they are not brought out very often in the history of cultures, and are, instead, jealously guarded to the point of killing folks who try to bring them out at times not deemed appropriate by powers that be. That we do not live in such times is obvious. I'm getting a clue as to what "evolution" means in personal terms, and we are conditioned to thinking of it as a positive thing. As far as I, personally, am concerned, I do not have a problem with thinking of it as a positive thing, but what about the effect on cultures as a whole? I know we're supposed to believe that the one percent effect is totally positive and brings peace on earth, but I am not 100% sure that this is all there's to it. The opposite of a profound idea is always and necessarily also a profound idea. So there is room for speculation. a Note I said "part of the reason." I think there may be other reasons. Rory Goff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (Angela wrote:) As I said in another post, all laws of form are infinite. The > fact that I seem to be "located" in Angela in Ff in 2007 is a > persistent illusion, which is loosening its grip as I live, so that I > do feel the reality of other lives and get glimpses of being Hitler > or Guru Dev or some cow grazing contentedly on a hilltop. And there > are lives on other planets and in other dimensions that are > accessible---I think Rory might agree to that. a "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Udderly :-) I spent a good bit of last night thinking about this post, Angela. Some of my most profoundly moving and awakening experiences have occurred after reminding myself of the illusion of spacetime, and that it is all here now, followed by encounters with some of our "space- cousins." Not too long ago, for example, after remembering that my body contains all the stars, my attention was drawn to one in particular, and so I went there. Because the stars are all in my body, I knew the world seemed a little "troubled" but that I could go there in "Authority", as an ambassador or emissary of the will of my Love. As I shrank in size or narrowed my awareness to approach a planet, it showed up startlingly bright, mottled turquoise and russet -- less water than ours, smaller oceans and more evenly distributed. I realized this was a "real" or physical world, even to our ordinary sight, and asked its Earth-name so I could research it later. It said, "Ras...Tanni". That didn't sound familiar, but I made a mental note. To my slight surprise I was drawn to an actual building; it was a pyramid of huge stones rather loosely fitted. I dropped through the top into a chamber inside, where two biped beings stood. They were pale, tall, and shining slightly and it was a little difficult to see phsyical detail, but they looked vaguely saurian, reptilian. I greeted them slightly cautiously but in wholehearted Love-Will and showed them my concern that their system align itself with the greater good in my star-body. They readily and respectfully agreed. This was rather a profound shift for me. After I returned to and refocused on my "default" setting here, I went to the star dictionary and found to my suprise there *was* something like Ras...Tanni. Ras al- Tanni is a star in the Draco (Dragon) system, some say alpha Draconis, which I seemed to remember was a star some of the Egyptian pyramids were oriented to. I further noticed that after my encounter with the Saurians or Dracos, my DNA had further shifted, and still another old fear-program had dissolved. This is but one of the latest of a number of "enlightening" and heart- breakingly fulfilling encounters with various of our multidimensional cousins, all particles of our Self. Now, what your post brought up in me, Angela, is this question: I have often vaguely wondered -- given how immensely fulfilling this all is, why don't I do this on a more frequent basis? I know that I could if I wanted to, but I simply don't want to. This is one of the oddest things I've noticed about "life after death" - - how progressively more difficult it is to summon desire, even for things that are at the time riproaringly fun and heartbreakingly satisfying. As I write this, I realize this may be what some seers have meant when they've said it is difficult to progress as rapidly through the subtler realms after death, as one just becomes
[FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Also, can anyone tell me his real name and in which state he lives? > Maybe talking to you face to face Lurk, you may be able to express > yourself in a less flaming manner. How about it? What is your name? In which state do you live? Let's settle this over a pint of heavy. > Okay, Off, I'm gonna have to call you on this. Six months ago, in a private e-mail, you made the same request. I GAVE YOU MY FULL NAME, MY BASIC HISTORY, THE CITY AND STATE WHERE I LIVE AND OTHER INFO. I GAVE IT ALL, ALL, TO YOU OFF. What do you have to say now. I requested that you keep iT private. I HAVE THE E-MAILS TO PROVE EVERY BIT OF THIS. The question is, if you saved this information, do YOU have the integrity to honor my request to keep this information private. OFF, YOU ASKED ME FOR THIS, AND I GAVE IT TO YOU. WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY? lurk > > . >
[FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Let's settle this over a pint of heavy. Lurk: You know what Off, that sounds pretty good. I'm not much of a beer dr inker-too bitter, but I'll find something. Can you recommend a good single malt. BTW, right next to my place of business a Scottish restaurant/bar just opened-operated by a true Scottsman. I have lunch there frequently, although I have not been able to bring myself to sample the true Scottish dishes like Haggis. Good people, these Scots. lurk
[FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > wrote: > Also, can anyone tell me his real name and in which state he lives? > > Maybe talking to you face to face Lurk, you may be able to express > > yourself in a less flaming manner. How about it? What is your > name? In which state do you live? Let's settle this over a pint of > heavy. > > > Okay, Off, I'm gonna have to call you on this. Six months ago, in a > private e-mail, you made the same request. I GAVE YOU MY FULL NAME, > MY BASIC HISTORY, THE CITY AND STATE WHERE I LIVE AND OTHER INFO. I > GAVE IT ALL, ALL, TO YOU OFF. >> I didn't get the e-mail. I get too much junk in this account and probably missed it. Send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] << What do you have to say now. I > requested that you keep iT private. I HAVE THE E-MAILS TO PROVE > EVERY BIT OF THIS. The question is, if you saved this information, > do YOU have the integrity to honor my request to keep this > information private. > > OFF, YOU ASKED ME FOR THIS, AND I GAVE IT TO YOU. WHAT DO YOU HAVE > TO SAY?>> Using All caps in a sentence is considered flaming. Now deal with the part in the post (instead of cutting it) about you saying you want to deliberately make people angry just for laughs. I want you banned from FFL for this attitude and you have done it constantly for years. It is a sickness to "love pushing people's buttons on the internet", and you should seek help, but until then Rick should ban you so that you realise that you have a problem and do something about it. Otherwise he is helping to hurt your psychology. Lurk should be banned for this self-confessed FLAMING attitude. Otherwise apologize to me and all the others with whom you have deliberately tried to inflame the situation just to give you a kick, and not to follow a discourse. Aplolgize for all the flaming that you admitted to to everyone now, or Rick should ban you, OffWorld .
[FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK
Lurk: I GAVE YOU MY FULL NAME, MY BASIC HISTORY, THE CITY AND STATE WHERE I LIVE AND OTHER INFO. I GAVE IT ALL, ALL, TO YOU OFF. >> > >Off: I didn't get the e-mail. I get too much junk in this account and probably missed it. Send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lurk: I think I'm going to pass on this for time being. Off: Using All caps in a sentence is considered flaming. Now deal with the part in the post (instead of cutting it) about you saying you want to deliberately make people angry just for laughs. Lurk: I did respond to this Off. Perhaps you missed it just as you did my e- mails. I said "I enjoyed pushing you anger button", in the context that that I knew from experience that expressing an opinion that differed from yours evokes a harsh response from you. From experience I have learned that there seems to be little tolerance on your part for an opposing POV. I realize it could have sounded like badgering or baiting, and for this I apologize. But this was not my real intent. Now, it's 7:10 CST, and 8:10 EST, Lets CARPE DIEM! Lurk
[FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I did respond to this Off. Perhaps you missed it just as you did my > emails. I said "I enjoyed pushing you anger button", in the context > that that I knew from experience that expressing an opinion that > differed from yours evokes a harsh response from you. From experience > I have learned that there seems to be little tolerance on your part > for an opposing POV. I realize it could have sounded like badgering > or baiting, and for this I apologize. But this was not my real > intent. Now, it's 7:10 CST, and 8:10 EST, Lets CARPE DIEM! Since people have managed to make flaming the Subject du jour :-), I'll weigh in with my definitions. Almost everyone flames occasionally, because almost everyone has buttons that get pushed occasionally. And almost everyone who flames occasionally doesn't think that they're doing it, or thinks that they're fully justified in doing it. That is almost the *definition* of having had your buttons pushed. The ego, which believes it is not only firmly in control but *justified*, is in reality firmly *out* of control, and *nothing* can really justify that particular state of attention. But the flamers are *in* that state of atten- tion. They'll keep on going, like the Energizer Bunny, as long as that state of attention has them in its grasp. *Literally* everyone around them may be laughing at them or exasperated with them, and the flamers don't notice. *They* don't think they're flaming. *They* don't think they're out of control. And so they cry, "I'm not really flaming. It's the other guy." That's a statement that's right up there with "My shit don't stink" in my opinion. :-) So. Everybody flames from time to time. That's a given. How then do you tell when someone has gotten *so* out of control that a bit of inter- vention might be required? Easy as pie. Can they be persuaded to drop the subject? If so, the state of attention has passed and they are human again. But if they keep *prolonging* the subject, keep bringing it up and restating it in different ways, keep trying to defend themselves, keep trying to "win," or to suck more and more people into the discussion, then they're not only flam- ing, they are completely lost in the flame state of attention. And they might just need a good kick in the nuts to wake them up to this fact. Did I overreact yesterday to mainstream's made- up assertions about me and resort to flaming? You betcha. I ripped him a big new one. Do I regret it? Only a little. But did it pass, and did I drop the subject? Yes I did. And yet some are still debating it and attempting to perpetuate it and point fingers and say, "X was a bigger flamer than Y." I'll settle things for you. I was the biggest flamer. I scorched the earth with a couple of posts. But then I dropped it and forgot about it entirely and went out and had a really good time and never thought about it again until I logged into FFL this morning and found every- one still arguing -- and thus still *in* -- that state of attention. Everybody flames. It's like shit...it just happens. Somebody gets their buttons pushed and plops a big stinky one in the communal punchbowl. But if that person then "moves on" and drops both the flames and the state of attention that generated them and *others* keep trying to perpetuate the fight, I'd say that somewhere along the line the "baton of flaming" has been passed from one runner to another one.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Almost everyone flames occasionally, because > almost everyone has buttons that get pushed > occasionally. > > And almost everyone who flames occasionally > doesn't think that they're doing it, or thinks > that they're fully justified in doing it. However, that isn't the issue. The issue is that there was a consensus here *not to flame*, no matter how justified the flame was perceived to be. But a few people have decided they shouldn't have to honor that consensus. > Everybody flames from time to time. That's a > given. How then do you tell when someone has > gotten *so* out of control that a bit of inter- > vention might be required? > > Easy as pie. > > Can they be persuaded to drop the subject? If > so, the state of attention has passed and they > are human again. > > But if they keep *prolonging* the subject, keep > bringing it up and restating it in different > ways, keep trying to defend themselves, keep > trying to "win," or to suck more and more people > into the discussion, then they're not only flam- > ing, they are completely lost in the flame state > of attention. And they might just need a good > kick in the nuts to wake them up to this fact. In other words, hit-and-run flames are perfectly OK, as far as Barry's concerned. He shouldn't have to control the impulse to flame as long as he drops it after having flamed. What's the flamee permitted to do in this case? Does the flamee get to flame back, or just fume silently? > Did I overreact yesterday to mainstream's made- > up assertions about me and resort to flaming? > You betcha. I ripped him a big new one. Do I > regret it? Only a little. But did it pass, and > did I drop the subject? Yes I did. And yet some > are still debating it and attempting to perpetuate > it and point fingers and say, "X was a bigger > flamer than Y." No, the point is *that you flamed*. We agreed not to do that. You don't think that agreement applies to you. That's where the fingers are pointed. Not to mention that you've repeatedly pointed not just a finger but both hands and feet in outrage when someone goes over the posting limit, accusing *them* of being out of control and not thinking the rules apply to them. Is this an example of enlightened inconsistency, perhaps? Because here in the relative, it's known as hypocrisy.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Oct 2, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > Have to agree with Judy on this one. Not flaming was as much > > a collective agreement as not overposting. To be diligent about > > one and intentionally violate the other is inconsistent and > > even hypocritical. Perhaps it takes more strength to abstain > > from flaming than from overposting, but it's still the same > > muscle. Exercise it. > > But flaming is often in the eyes of the beholder, Rick, and with > the post limit, IMO, is too much--hence you have people self- > appointing themselves as cop and taking it upon themselves to go > after the offenders. Heck, that was happening with the posting limit too--you were one of the self-appointed, as I recall. The big problem with the no-flaming agreement, as I see it, is that it'll only work if it's *enforced*. Rick hasn't been enforcing it. You're going to get all kinds of resentment if most people are observing the agreement while a few simply brazenly defy it, with no action taken to bring them in line. It's understandable that Rick doesn't want to play cop, but there's no point in having rules if there's no one enforcing them. If he would really watch closely for a while and actually ban a few offenders for a week to show he's serious, things would settle down pretty quickly, I'll bet, and he wouldn't *have* to do much more than that. If things began to get out of line again, and folks alerted him by email rather than on the forum, he could start monitoring again. Things will probably never stay settled down for good, but some forceful action should initiate a settled- down period, at least. Right now, it's falling into the same old anarchy because the folks that feel the agreement doesn't apply to them aren't seeing any consequences.
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"This group which used to be fun when it was like Rick's Bar > and Grill is pretty boring catering to a bunch of bliss ninnies and > quickly becoming Rick's Victorian Tea House." I guess that explains why the last beer I ordered tasted like Lapsang Suchon and my Reuben sandwich order came back as cucumber finger triangles without the crusts. And when did we ban strippers? That used to be my favorite part of my lunch break here. Even the enlightened need a lap dance once in a while, right?! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Oct 2, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > >> Have to agree with Judy on this one. Not flaming was as much a > >> collective agreement as not overposting. To be diligent about one and > >> intentionally violate the other is inconsistent and even > >> hypocritical. Perhaps it takes more strength to abstain from flaming > >> than from overposting, but it's still the same muscle. Exercise it. > > > > But flaming is often in the eyes of the beholder, Rick, and with the > > post limit, IMO, is too much--hence you have people self-appointing > > themselves as cop and taking it upon themselves to go after the > > offenders. Whether there was a "collective agreement," or not, it's > > just devolved into silliness and more immature behavior on the part of > > the cops than the flamers--IMO, of course. I do remember your party > > analogy quite well, just didn't realize that represented any kind of > > consensus. I don't know, maybe it's time to take another vote. I say > > that too many rules are almost worse than none. You've gone from one > > end of the spectrum to the other--now how about stopping in the > > middle. Pick one or the other--either play content cop, or just count > > posts. I'd say the latter is much easier. > > > > > > Sal > > > I agree. This group which used to be fun when it was like Rick's Bar > and Grill is pretty boring catering to a bunch of bliss ninnies and > quickly becoming Rick's Victorian Tea House. >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Oct 2, 2007, at 1:40 PM, authfriend wrote: > > >> But flaming is often in the eyes of the beholder, Rick, and with > >> the post limit, IMO, is too much--hence you have people self- > >> appointing themselves as cop and taking it upon themselves to go > >> after the offenders. > > > > Heck, that was happening with the posting limit > > too--you were one of the self-appointed, as I > > recall. > > Yep. But that's pretty cut and dry, and doesn't involve lectures from > me on how to behave. And people were free to ignore it, and sometimes > did. Or they would pull a Jim Flanegan--don't go over the limit until > late on Friday. > ...yes, there I was, fingers poised over the keyboard, until...11:52 PM Friday night...could I cram in ten more posts before time expired??...and therefore defeat the posting limit??? sweat popping off my brow as my fingers feverishly clicked and clacked...eyes darting to the clock, and back again...send...send...sendfinally slumping back in my chair, success!! 11:59PM!! 43 posts this week!!! boy did I sleep well that night!!!lol!:-)
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well, c'mon all you arm chair quarterbacks, get off your duffs and throw a few touchdowns for us!!!:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Oct 2, 2007, at 2:11 PM, Bhairitu wrote: > > > I agree. This group which used to be fun when it was like Rick's Bar > > and Grill is pretty boring catering to a bunch of bliss ninnies and > > quickly becoming Rick's Victorian Tea House. > > > Couldn't have put it better. > > Sal >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Lurk: > I GAVE YOU MY FULL NAME, MY BASIC HISTORY, THE CITY AND STATE WHERE I > LIVE AND OTHER INFO. I GAVE IT ALL, ALL, TO YOU OFF. >> > > > >Off: > I didn't get the e-mail. I get too much junk in this account and > probably missed it. Send it to barlowmail@ > > Lurk: > I think I'm going to pass on this for time being. > > Off: > Using All caps in a sentence is considered flaming. > Now deal with the part in the post (instead of cutting it) about you > saying you want to deliberately make people angry just for laughs. > > Lurk: > I did respond to this Off. Perhaps you missed it just as you did my e- > mails. I said "I enjoyed pushing you anger button", in the context > that that I knew from experience that expressing an opinion that > differed from yours evokes a harsh response from you. >. Not. You are imagining things. << From experience > I have learned that there seems to be little tolerance on your part > for an opposing POV. >> Making things up agasin. < or baiting, and for this I apologize. But this was not my real > intent.>> I poop on zee bible. OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > Almost everyone flames occasionally, because > > almost everyone has buttons that get pushed > > occasionally. > > > > And almost everyone who flames occasionally > > doesn't think that they're doing it, or thinks > > that they're fully justified in doing it. > > However, that isn't the issue. The issue is that > there was a consensus here *not to flame*, no > matter how justified the flame was perceived to > be. But a few people have decided they shouldn't > have to honor that consensus.>> I know ! Lurk, Turq, qntmpkt, and Shemp are constantly flaming...and now Rick! OffWorld
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > "This group which used to be fun when it was like Rick's Bar > > and Grill is pretty boring catering to a bunch of bliss ninnies > > and quickly becoming Rick's Victorian Tea House." > > I guess that explains why the last beer I ordered tasted like > Lapsang Suchon and my Reuben sandwich order came back as cucumber > finger triangles without the crusts. And when did we ban strippers? > That used to be my favorite part of my lunch break here. Even the > enlightened need a lap dance once in a while, right?! Hey, I used to be a stripper *for* the TM movement. Seriously. And I used to *love* saying it that way. It used to make the Purusha-types-before-there-was-a-Purusha *so* uptight. :-) I was a photostripper for MIU Press. Back in the days before digital presses, you had to shoot negs of the typeset copy and then paste them up in cer- tain configurations and then shoot printing plates from them. In America, this process is called "stripping." One of the first indications I got that the TM move- ment was not for me is when people started getting offended by the term "stripping." Mandates came down from Seelisberg that we should refer to what we do by the European term "montage." I refused outright. I was a stripper for the TM move- ment and damn! if I was going to let somebody make me say that I did "montage" for a living. We *did* do the stripping fully clothed, however, for those who are still offended by the term. :-)
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Turq: I'll settle things for you. I was the biggest flamer. I scorched the earth with a couple of posts. But then I dropped it and forgot about it entirely and went out and had a really good time and never thought about it again until I logged into FFL this morning and found every- one still arguing -- and thus still *in* -- > that state of attention. Lurk: I've been away for a couple days, but the above doesn't really make sense to me. I have learned that words have an impact - obviously. I take responsiblity for my words and speech, and don't feel I can disown them or their impact after they are spoken, or written. I don't think it works that way. >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Turq: > > I'll settle things for you. I was the biggest flamer. I scorched > > the earth with a couple of posts. But then I dropped it and > > forgot about it entirely and went out and had a really good > > time and never thought about it again until I logged into FFL > > this morning and found everyone still arguing -- and thus still > > *in* -- that state of attention. > > Lurk: > I've been away for a couple days, but the above doesn't really make > sense to me. I have learned that words have an impact-obviously. I > take responsiblity for my words and speech, and don't feel I can > disown them or their impact after they are spoken, or written. I > don't think it works that way. I didn't disown anything. I said what I said. Toss my ass off the forum for a week if it'll make you feel better. Toss me off forever if it'll make you feel better. I don't care, either way, and the fact that you or anyone else still cares, and cares enough to keep beating what for me is a dead horse isn't going to make me care.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" > wrote: > > > > Turq: > > > I'll settle things for you. I was the biggest flamer. I scorched > > > the earth with a couple of posts. But then I dropped it and > > > forgot about it entirely and went out and had a really good > > > time and never thought about it again until I logged into FFL > > > this morning and found everyone still arguing -- and thus still > > > *in* -- that state of attention. > > > > Lurk: > > I've been away for a couple days, but the above doesn't really > > make sense to me. I have learned that words have an impact- > > obviously. I take responsiblity for my words and speech, and > > don't feel I can disown them or their impact after they are > > spoken, or written. I don't think it works that way. > > I didn't disown anything. I said what I said. > Toss my ass off the forum for a week if it'll > make you feel better. Toss me off forever if > it'll make you feel better. I don't care, > either way, and the fact that you or anyone > else still cares, and cares enough to keep > beating what for me is a dead horse isn't > going to make me care. There is obviously a disconnect here, so I'll try my best to explain further. Let me try to use an analogy. A cop pulls me over for speeding. He gets off his motor- cycle and walks up to my window and says, "You were speeding." I say, "Yes, I was." He then says, "Well...aren't you going to make some excuse?" I say, "No. I was speeding." He then says, "Well...*I* expect you to show some remorse. Otherwise I'm going to write you up for speeding." And I say, "Write me up. I was speeding." But he *keeps* standing there, saying over and over, "But...but...you *have* to express some remorse...that's what I *expect* when I bust someone for doing something I consider wrong." And I keep saying, "Write the ticket." Write the ticket and get on with your life so I can get on with mine. Don't keep standing there demanding that I apologize to you. I have *no problem* with paying the fine. But just write the ticket and stop demanding my attention. Being booted off of Fairfield Life is the fine; indulging your or other people's desire to be apologized to isn't.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Write the ticket and get on with your life so > I can get on with mine. Don't keep standing > there demanding that I apologize to you. I have > *no problem* with paying the fine. I don't really know the issue here, just out of curiosity and for the sake of the fun of it: If the fine was to apologize, what would you do? Lets say Rick says, the fine is to apologize to the person you insulted, would you be okay to say so?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > Write the ticket and get on with your life so > > I can get on with mine. Don't keep standing > > there demanding that I apologize to you. I have > > *no problem* with paying the fine. > > I don't really know the issue here, just out of curiosity > and for the sake of the fun of it: If the fine was to > apologize, what would you do? Just for the sake of the fun of it, if a frog had wings he wouldn't bounce along on his butt when he jumped. ( And I guess the same 'what if' scenario applies to "Yogic Flyers." :-) The "fine" *isn't* to apologize. But some people are trying to *make* that the fine. > Lets say Rick says, the fine is to apologize to the > person you insulted, would you be okay to say so? In this case, NO WAY. The insultee in question is still acting like the injured party here, after 1) reacting to a fairly non-controversial reacting to me presenting another side of the abortion issue that didn't quite portray the women as the thoughtless baby killers he was trying to portray them as with a personal attack on me. He suggested (and rather strongly) that the babies in question were mine, and that I was trying to talk the women into the abortion. When I reacted (and, I dare say, overreacted) to this, he followed up by trying to character- ize me as an "abortion counselor," someone who actively tried to get women to consider abortions. None of this was true. It was all fantasies he'd dreamed up in his head so that he didn't have to consider the possibility that some women (and probably not all) were not the heartless baby- killers he was trying to characterize them as. So no, in this case, I do not feel any apology is in order for the gist of what I said. The *way* I said it, and my button-pushed overreaction, was definitely inappropriate. In retrospect, why on earth should I care what a person who thinks like this thinks of me. At the time, however, my but- tons definitely got pushed, and I said what I had to say in a flaming manner. If the same exchange were to happen today, I would say *exactly the same things*, but in a less personal and flaming manner. I just don't apologize for standing up for women who have been characterized unfairly by someone who has a rather judgmental and non-compassionate and one-sided way of looking at the subject. And, as I wrote about before, I just don't apolo- gize because someone is demanding it of me. So I guess the overall answer to your question is No. If Fairfield Life turned into the kind of place where people were expected to apologize for the behavior that the majority of people declared "inappropriate," I would bail from it far more quickly than I bailed from the TM movement, which tried to do exactly that.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > Write the ticket and get on with your life so > > > I can get on with mine. Don't keep standing > > > there demanding that I apologize to you. I have > > > *no problem* with paying the fine. > > > > I don't really know the issue here, just out of curiosity > > and for the sake of the fun of it: If the fine was to > > apologize, what would you do? > > Just for the sake of the fun of it, if a frog > had wings he wouldn't bounce along on his butt > when he jumped. ( And I guess the same 'what if' > scenario applies to "Yogic Flyers." :-) > > The "fine" *isn't* to apologize. But some people > are trying to *make* that the fine. > > > Lets say Rick says, the fine is to apologize to the > > person you insulted, would you be okay to say so? But the fine isn't the ultimate punishment. In the speeding analogy, if Barry doesn't apologize, he''ll be fined; but if he refuses to pay the fine, he'll be thrown in jail. On FFL, if the fine is equivalent to an apology, and he refuses to apologize, the equivalent to being thrown in jail would be to be thrown off the forum, and he's already said that would be OK with him. Barry would rather accept the ultimate punishment that Rick can impose, in other words, than apologize for an insult. Or to put it another way, it's more important to Barry to be able to freely insult people on the forum than to be able to continue to post to it. > If Fairfield Life turned into the kind of place > where people were expected to apologize for the > behavior that the majority of people declared > "inappropriate," I would bail from it far more > quickly than I bailed from the TM movement, which > tried to do exactly that. After all, as Barry said about overposters; "WHO CARES if they're feeling 'attacked.' That's just narcissism and self-importance, in my opinion. Using it as an excuse to be an asshole is even *more* narcissism and self-importance." Oh, wait...
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > > > > Write the ticket and get on with your life so > > > > I can get on with mine. Don't keep standing > > > > there demanding that I apologize to you. I have > > > > *no problem* with paying the fine. > > > > > > I don't really know the issue here, just out of curiosity > > > and for the sake of the fun of it: If the fine was to > > > apologize, what would you do? > > > > Just for the sake of the fun of it, if a frog > > had wings he wouldn't bounce along on his butt > > when he jumped. ( And I guess the same 'what if' > > scenario applies to "Yogic Flyers." :-) > > > > The "fine" *isn't* to apologize. But some people > > are trying to *make* that the fine. > > > > > Lets say Rick says, the fine is to apologize to the > > > person you insulted, would you be okay to say so? > > But the fine isn't the ultimate punishment. In the > speeding analogy, if Barry doesn't apologize, he''ll > be fined; but if he refuses to pay the fine, he'll > be thrown in jail. > > On FFL, if the fine is equivalent to an apology, and > he refuses to apologize, the equivalent to being > thrown in jail would be to be thrown off the forum, > and he's already said that would be OK with him. > > Barry would rather accept the ultimate punishment > that Rick can impose, in other words, than apologize > for an insult. > > Or to put it another way, it's more important to > Barry to be able to freely insult people on the > forum than to be able to continue to post to it. > > > > If Fairfield Life turned into the kind of place > > where people were expected to apologize for the > > behavior that the majority of people declared > > "inappropriate," I would bail from it far more > > quickly than I bailed from the TM movement, which > > tried to do exactly that. > > After all, as Barry said about overposters; > > "WHO CARES if they're feeling 'attacked.' That's just > narcissism and self-importance, in my opinion. Using > it as an excuse to be an asshole is even *more* > narcissism and self-importance." > > Oh, wait... > Looks like a size 9 foot for a size 10 mouth-- a perfect fit.:-)
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"> I refused outright. I was a stripper for the TM move- > ment and damn! if I was going to let somebody make > me say that I did "montage" for a living." Excellent! BTW next time that brunette "montage" artist comes by our table, tell her I'll meet her in the Champagne room with a roll of 20's. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > > "This group which used to be fun when it was like Rick's Bar > > > and Grill is pretty boring catering to a bunch of bliss ninnies > > > and quickly becoming Rick's Victorian Tea House." > > > > I guess that explains why the last beer I ordered tasted like > > Lapsang Suchon and my Reuben sandwich order came back as cucumber > > finger triangles without the crusts. And when did we ban strippers? > > That used to be my favorite part of my lunch break here. Even the > > enlightened need a lap dance once in a while, right?! > > Hey, I used to be a stripper *for* the TM movement. > > Seriously. > > And I used to *love* saying it that way. It used to > make the Purusha-types-before-there-was-a-Purusha > *so* uptight. :-) > > I was a photostripper for MIU Press. Back in the > days before digital presses, you had to shoot negs > of the typeset copy and then paste them up in cer- > tain configurations and then shoot printing plates > from them. In America, this process is called > "stripping." > > One of the first indications I got that the TM move- > ment was not for me is when people started getting > offended by the term "stripping." Mandates came down > from Seelisberg that we should refer to what we do > by the European term "montage." > > I refused outright. I was a stripper for the TM move- > ment and damn! if I was going to let somebody make > me say that I did "montage" for a living. > > We *did* do the stripping fully clothed, however, > for those who are still offended by the term. :-) >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I can't just get into the issue itself, as I really haven't followed it up, and my question/comment was just related to your example (of he cop) and the way you had worded it. > When I reacted (and, I dare say, overreacted) > to this, he followed up by trying to character- > ize me as an "abortion counselor," someone who > actively tried to get women to consider abortions. IOW you feel that you were insulted before, and your overreaction was just a reaction to this insult, probably more concealed than yours. You feel that the person 'deserved' the insult. Thats of course a problem with enforcing non-flaming, that there can be insults hidden, like 'abortion counselor' (I didn't know its an insult, in Germany it wouldn't be) In any case, concerning this particular issue I am on the same side as you. But I guess it is more about courtesy and following group consensus. The other point is, even if you where insulted, it doesn't give you the right to respond in kind. > And, as I wrote about before, I just don't apolo- > gize because someone is demanding it of me. So I > guess the overall answer to your question is No. > If Fairfield Life turned into the kind of place > where people were expected to apologize for the > behavior that the majority of people declared > "inappropriate," I would bail from it far more > quickly than I bailed from the TM movement, which > tried to do exactly that. Now thats interesting. You had to leave the movement because you didn't apologize?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hey, I used to be a stripper *for* the TM movement. > > Seriously. > > And I used to *love* saying it that way. It used to > make the Purusha-types-before-there-was-a-Purusha > *so* uptight. :-) > > I was a photostripper for MIU Press. Back in the > days before digital presses, you had to shoot negs > of the typeset copy and then paste them up in cer- > tain configurations and then shoot printing plates > from them. In America, this process is called > "stripping." Thats what I did too! There was paste-up, montage (stripping, I didn't know the term) and plate-making (exposing montage-films on photo-senstive plates in a certain sequence. We used double-page spreads and positioned them with a computed machine on the appropriate place of the plate). I was most of the time in the movement plate-maker, never did paste-up, but did a lot of montage, even at Purusha I was mainly in charge of the montage still going on.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of TurquoiseB > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:17 AM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK > > > > Write the ticket and get on with your life so > I can get on with mine. Don't keep standing > there demanding that I apologize to you. I have > *no problem* with paying the fine. But just > write the ticket and stop demanding my attention. > Being booted off of Fairfield Life is the fine; > indulging your or other people's desire to be > apologized to isn't. > > I have no desire to boot you or anyone off, nor do I need you > to feel remorseful or anything else. If you (or anyone) were > to say to hell with the rule, I'm going to keep flaming, and > then you did so, I'd boot you off. But you're not continuing > to flame, so on with the party. OK, Rick, look, he's been flaming off and on since the agreement not to flame was put in force. This is just the latest instance. You chided him gently the first time (when he called Bronte and idiot), and he said then it was OK with him if you threw him off the forum for doing so. The insult was perfectly justified, as far as he was concerned. Then you stopped reading for awhile, and he continued to flame during that period. You start monitoring again, and find he's just delivered another flame, but because he doesn't *say* "the hell with the rules, I'm just going to keep on flaming"--even though continuing to flame is what he has actually done--you give him a pass. In terms of what he *says* about flaming, he's a lot stricter than you are. For example: "In general, anytime someone tries to justify 'attacking back' they are trying to justify a personal attack that was just made by them. It couldn't be any clearer. In their minds the personal attack may be justified, but the very fact that they *are* attempting to justify it shows that they know it was a personal attack, and thus against the FFL guidelines." So he has in effect acknowledged that he knew his flame at mainstream was against the FFL guidelines (although the quote above is from an earlier post). You seem to be suggesting now that it's OK to flame as long as you don't prolong it and don't explicitly proclaim your intention to defy the rules. Is that what you mean to convey? If so, does that apply to all of us, or just to Barry? (Bonus quote from Barry, to be read in light of his elaborate justification for flaming mainstream in the discussion on abortion: "Beliefs and opinions are easy to fixate on, and to confuse with Truth. And when someone pokes at one of the things you confuse with Truth, you react. The reaction is NOT justified, no matter how hard you try to justify it."
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of TurquoiseB > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:17 AM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK > > > > Write the ticket and get on with your life so > I can get on with mine. Don't keep standing > there demanding that I apologize to you. I have > *no problem* with paying the fine. But just > write the ticket and stop demanding my attention. > Being booted off of Fairfield Life is the fine; > indulging your or other people's desire to be > apologized to isn't. > > I have no desire to boot you or anyone off, nor do I need you to feel > remorseful or anything else. If you (or anyone) were to say to hell with the > rule, I'm going to keep flaming, and then you did so, I'd boot you off. But > you're not continuing to flame, so on with the party. > perhaps a restriction to just beer and wine is in order (no hard liquor)?:-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of TurquoiseB > > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:17 AM > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK > > > > > > > > Write the ticket and get on with your life so > > I can get on with mine. Don't keep standing > > there demanding that I apologize to you. I have > > *no problem* with paying the fine. But just > > write the ticket and stop demanding my attention. > > Being booted off of Fairfield Life is the fine; > > indulging your or other people's desire to be > > apologized to isn't. > > > > I have no desire to boot you or anyone off, nor do I need you to > feel > > remorseful or anything else. If you (or anyone) were to say to > hell with the > > rule, I'm going to keep flaming, and then you did so, I'd boot you > off. But > > you're not continuing to flame, so on with the party. > > > perhaps a restriction to just beer and wine is in order (no hard > liquor)?:-) Aren't you supposed to be at work at this hour Jim ??
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: TurquoiseB > > > > Write the ticket and get on with your life so > > I can get on with mine. Don't keep standing > > there demanding that I apologize to you. I have > > *no problem* with paying the fine. But just > > write the ticket and stop demanding my attention. > > Being booted off of Fairfield Life is the fine; > > indulging your or other people's desire to be > > apologized to isn't. > > I have no desire to boot you or anyone off, nor do I need > you to feel remorseful or anything else. If you (or anyone) > were to say to hell with the rule, I'm going to keep flaming, > and then you did so, I'd boot you off. But you're not > continuing to flame, so on with the party. First sensible thing that has been said in this whole tempest in a pisspot yet. As I said before, those who have continued the flaming are doing so by flaming *me*. I dropped it long ago. *They* are the ones who want to prolong the argument, so they can "win" in their minds or just Dump On Barry one more time. While they are free to do so, from my side each person who *does* do so only adds to my Don't Bother To Read List, and frees up more of my time when reading Fairfield Life. All they require in terms of my attention is a quick glance at the name and a click of the Next key. No muss, no fuss. The time that this saves me can be spent having a life, something I fervently hope that the people who incapable of dropping an argument can someday have for themselves.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On Behalf Of TurquoiseB > > > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:17 AM > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK > > > > > > > > > > > > Write the ticket and get on with your life so > > > I can get on with mine. Don't keep standing > > > there demanding that I apologize to you. I have > > > *no problem* with paying the fine. But just > > > write the ticket and stop demanding my attention. > > > Being booted off of Fairfield Life is the fine; > > > indulging your or other people's desire to be > > > apologized to isn't. > > > > > > I have no desire to boot you or anyone off, nor do I need you to > > feel > > > remorseful or anything else. If you (or anyone) were to say to > > hell with the > > > rule, I'm going to keep flaming, and then you did so, I'd boot > you > > off. But > > > you're not continuing to flame, so on with the party. > > > > > perhaps a restriction to just beer and wine is in order (no hard > > liquor)?:-) > > Aren't you supposed to be at work at this hour Jim ?? > its a virtual party, hosted by Rick. The drinks are free by the way.:-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > And, as I wrote about before, I just don't apolo- > > gize because someone is demanding it of me. So I > > guess the overall answer to your question is No. > > If Fairfield Life turned into the kind of place > > where people were expected to apologize for the > > behavior that the majority of people declared > > "inappropriate," I would bail from it far more > > quickly than I bailed from the TM movement, which > > tried to do exactly that. > > Now thats interesting. You had to leave the movement because you > didn't apologize? No, it's just that the whole *mindset* of the TM movement was based on making people apologize for being who they were, unless they were "on the program." In other words, they were expected to live according to Someone Else's Ideas of how they should live. If they didn't, the organiz- ation first tried to make them feel guilty, and if that didn't work they'd censure them, and if *that* didn't work they'd just declare them anathema and get rid of them. They never actively tried to get rid of me; I just grew so disgusted by the mindset that I walked away.
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Didn't bother to read this, of course, but I can't help but notice that Judy has just "fouled out" for the week at 35 posts. Again. And I'd be willing to bet that a large number of these posts were pissed away flaming me, and trying to get others to do the same. What I said earlier about having a life vs. not... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of TurquoiseB > > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:17 AM > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK > > > > > > > > Write the ticket and get on with your life so > > I can get on with mine. Don't keep standing > > there demanding that I apologize to you. I have > > *no problem* with paying the fine. But just > > write the ticket and stop demanding my attention. > > Being booted off of Fairfield Life is the fine; > > indulging your or other people's desire to be > > apologized to isn't. > > > > I have no desire to boot you or anyone off, nor do I need you > > to feel remorseful or anything else. If you (or anyone) were > > to say to hell with the rule, I'm going to keep flaming, and > > then you did so, I'd boot you off. But you're not continuing > > to flame, so on with the party. > > OK, Rick, look, he's been flaming off and on > since the agreement not to flame was put in > force. This is just the latest instance. > > You chided him gently the first time (when he > called Bronte and idiot), and he said then it > was OK with him if you threw him off the forum > for doing so. The insult was perfectly > justified, as far as he was concerned. > > Then you stopped reading for awhile, and he > continued to flame during that period. > > You start monitoring again, and find he's just > delivered another flame, but because he doesn't > *say* "the hell with the rules, I'm just going > to keep on flaming"--even though continuing to > flame is what he has actually done--you give > him a pass. > > In terms of what he *says* about flaming, he's > a lot stricter than you are. For example: > > "In general, anytime someone tries to justify 'attacking > back' they are trying to justify a personal attack that > was just made by them. It couldn't be any clearer. In > their minds the personal attack may be justified, but > the very fact that they *are* attempting to justify it > shows that they know it was a personal attack, and > thus against the FFL guidelines." > > So he has in effect acknowledged that he knew > his flame at mainstream was against the FFL > guidelines (although the quote above is from > an earlier post). > > You seem to be suggesting now that it's OK to > flame as long as you don't prolong it and > don't explicitly proclaim your intention to > defy the rules. Is that what you mean to convey? > > If so, does that apply to all of us, or just > to Barry? > > > (Bonus quote from Barry, to be read in light > of his elaborate justification for flaming > mainstream in the discussion on abortion: > "Beliefs and opinions are easy to fixate on, > and to confuse with Truth. And when someone > pokes at one of the things you confuse with > Truth, you react. The reaction is NOT > justified, no matter how hard you try to > justify it." >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > And, as I wrote about before, I just don't apolo- > > > gize because someone is demanding it of me. So I > > > guess the overall answer to your question is No. > > > If Fairfield Life turned into the kind of place > > > where people were expected to apologize for the > > > behavior that the majority of people declared > > > "inappropriate," I would bail from it far more > > > quickly than I bailed from the TM movement, which > > > tried to do exactly that. > > > > Now thats interesting. You had to leave the movement because you > > didn't apologize? > > No, it's just that the whole *mindset* of the TM > movement was based on making people apologize for > being who they were, unless they were "on the > program." In other words, they were expected to > live according to Someone Else's Ideas of how > they should live. If they didn't, the organiz- > ation first tried to make them feel guilty, and > if that didn't work they'd censure them, and if > *that* didn't work they'd just declare them > anathema and get rid of them. > > They never actively tried to get rid of me; I > just grew so disgusted by the mindset that I > walked away. > I am not judging what you felt and did, but your explanation of how the TMO acted towards you is exactly what every company I have worked for does; if you do something that isn't in line with your agreed upon objectives, i.e. "not on the program", you are asked to justify what you did, though you are expected to comply next time, then if you continue missing your objectives (being "off the program") you are put on a performance plan, and if your non compliance continues, you are fired. There is no reason to vilify the TM Movement, any more than there is a reason to vilify a company who's actions and objectives you disagree with. Its just the way every organization works, like it or not. If there is not a match, there is not a match-- no harm, no foul.:-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" > wrote: > > > > > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > On Behalf Of TurquoiseB > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:17 AM > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TIME to BAN LURK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Write the ticket and get on with your life so > > > > I can get on with mine. Don't keep standing > > > > there demanding that I apologize to you. I have > > > > *no problem* with paying the fine. But just > > > > write the ticket and stop demanding my attention. > > > > Being booted off of Fairfield Life is the fine; > > > > indulging your or other people's desire to be > > > > apologized to isn't. > > > > > > > > I have no desire to boot you or anyone off, nor do I need you > to > > > feel > > > > remorseful or anything else. If you (or anyone) were to say to > > > hell with the > > > > rule, I'm going to keep flaming, and then you did so, I'd boot > > you > > > off. But > > > > you're not continuing to flame, so on with the party. > > > > > > > perhaps a restriction to just beer and wine is in order (no hard > > > liquor)?:-) > > > > Aren't you supposed to be at work at this hour Jim ?? > > > its a virtual party, hosted by Rick. The drinks are free by the > way.:-) In that case; I'm in !
