[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield

2010-04-19 Thread Buck


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... 
wrote:


 
 But if these people are expressing true significant shifts of consciousness 
 that would benefit humanity then Rick's project is going way beyond the 
 movement in opening them for examination.  I think either way Rick is really 
 on to something with this project.  By now we should expect people living in 
 the states Maharishi described vaguely and promised repeatedly.  Hearing from 
 them is a great resource for all of us interested in evaluating these claims. 
 

Curtisdeltablue, well that is a large ascent in your POV.  Nice.  Yes, I think 
Rick is on to something also.
 timely in its way.



  
  
   
   
   
   
Is quite cool, are a lot more posted to the site now.   Rick Archer 
obviously has been quite busy interviewing.  Is some great journalism  
And good commentary too about spirituality. Thanks for taking the time 
to do this Rick.  

http://batgap.com/

   
   FF Buddhas at the gas pumps.
   
   Funny that Rick has scooped the TM movement on this.  Interviewing and 
   publishing the 'awakened' this way.  These various Fairfield neighbors 
   (buddhas at the gas pump) seems are all of old TM movement. 
   
   
In the domes Bevan calls in every day to hear and commentate on the 
   meditating experiences.  Has been doing that for months as his domain.  
   Those tapes available to publicly listen to?  YouTube?  Folks on the IA 
   course have to stay put and listen to that commentary there as part of 
   their program there.  
   
   Rick's found buddhas out at the gas pumps of the larger meditating 
   community would all welcome, in the domes as old meditators?  A large 
   irony of course is that they all seem to give credit to TM along the way 
   yet by 'guideline' of the TM movement they mostly would not be welcome in 
   the domes as most have visited with other holy people, saints or gurus. 
   
  
  I have only seen one BudPump, but seek to watch more. 
  
  The contrast of unfettered description of change in ones inner life (kind 
  of ironic huh) from the high-tea, silk couch, victorian approach of the 
  TMO, to a more blue jeans approach of BudGas, (The greening of the TMO -- a 
  reference to another 1970ish book that had a lot of impact The Greening of 
  America by Reich) raises the question of what other different kinds of 
  change may be manifesting in people's inner and outer lives. Stuff that may 
  not be the darling spiritual catch  phrase of the moment. Stuff that may 
  not sound hot and sexy -- more mundane. 
  
  And parallel to my adjacent post on social change, is the change 
  accelerating? Is it manifesting in new and unexpected ways? Can there be 
  opposite, multi-varied change that is far outside the spiritual-cafe norm. 
  More spiritual or inner core outliers. Can anyone define (and limit, by 
  that definition) what inner change consists of?  
  
  If change is accelerating, it may be unsettling. Like a rapid build 
  construction site, if you just saw the demolition of the old site, and the 
  deep excavation of the new, you might thing something bas was happening. 
  Without seeing more of the totality, it may seem bleak.  
  
  Are different parts of the change related --  and if so how? Are outer 
  peoples change and pattern an pace of change related?
  
  
  
   
   

I just listened to the Andy Schulman interview.  Honest and cogent.  I 
also like the first three or so minutes in this Schulman-buddha 
interview as Rick describing how people might see or react to 
spiritual-ized people.  Seems a good real categorization of what one 
hears around.  Can see that kind of variation in the skepticism in 
anti-meditation/anti=spiritual response and TM-deniers on FFL too.   

http://batgap.com/


 
  Transcendental Fairfield:
  
  People everywhere are undergoing a shift to an Awakened state of 
  consciousness which is transforming their understanding of 
  themselves and the world. For some, this shift has been abrupt and 
  dramatic. For others, it has been so gradual that they may not have 
  realized it has occurred. Such shifts, or awakenings, are not 
  new: Christ spoke of the Kingdom of Heaven within, Buddhists 
  speak of Nirvana, Zen masters of Satori, Hindus of Moksha, but 
  these traditions generally regard these states as rare and 
  difficult to attain. 
  
  Many people are therefore skeptical of claims of higher states of 
  consciousness. They find it hard to believe that apparently 
  ordinary friends and neighbors might be experiencing something 
  extraordinary. Maybe they expect Enlightenment to look as 
  remarkable on the outside as it is reputed to be on the inside.
 
 
 
 About,
 
 This show will attempt to dispel skepticism and misconceptions by 
 week after week, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield

2010-04-19 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ 
 wrote:
 
 
  
  But if these people are expressing true significant shifts of consciousness 
  that would benefit humanity then Rick's project is going way beyond the 
  movement in opening them for examination.  I think either way Rick is 
  really on to something with this project.  By now we should expect people 
  living in the states Maharishi described vaguely and promised repeatedly.  
  Hearing from them is a great resource for all of us interested in 
  evaluating these claims. 
  
 
 Curtisdeltablue, well that is a large ascent in your POV.  Nice.

That section is misleading out of the full context of my post. In context it is 
not an ascent of my POV large or small.  I always keep the option open that 
someday you all who practice spiritual techniques may do or say something that 
indicates you are functioning on a higher level from the rest of us.  It just 
hasn't happened yet.  

Same thing with the God idea.  He might show up someday and insist that I get 
baptized in the Potomac and accept Jesus as my personal savior.  I'll bring my 
kayak and make a day of it on the condition that it includes a happy ending.

  Yes, I think Rick is on to something also.
  timely in its way.

Agreed.  As I said in the full context of the post there interviews are 
valuable no matter where you fall on the belief spectrum.  I think he could 
easily get some national coverage of this project if the right person checks it 
out.  I'm not so sure that the actual content of what people are saying in the 
interviews will motivate people to take up a spiritual practice but I haven't 
heard them all.  





 
 
 
   
   




 Is quite cool, are a lot more posted to the site now.   Rick Archer 
 obviously has been quite busy interviewing.  Is some great journalism 
  And good commentary too about spirituality. Thanks for taking the 
 time to do this Rick.  
 
 http://batgap.com/
 

FF Buddhas at the gas pumps.

Funny that Rick has scooped the TM movement on this.  Interviewing and 
publishing the 'awakened' this way.  These various Fairfield neighbors 
(buddhas at the gas pump) seems are all of old TM movement. 


 In the domes Bevan calls in every day to hear and commentate on 
the meditating experiences.  Has been doing that for months as his 
domain.  Those tapes available to publicly listen to?  YouTube?  Folks 
on the IA course have to stay put and listen to that commentary there 
as part of their program there.  

Rick's found buddhas out at the gas pumps of the larger meditating 
community would all welcome, in the domes as old meditators?  A large 
irony of course is that they all seem to give credit to TM along the 
way yet by 'guideline' of the TM movement they mostly would not be 
welcome in the domes as most have visited with other holy people, 
saints or gurus. 

   
   I have only seen one BudPump, but seek to watch more. 
   
   The contrast of unfettered description of change in ones inner life (kind 
   of ironic huh) from the high-tea, silk couch, victorian approach of the 
   TMO, to a more blue jeans approach of BudGas, (The greening of the TMO -- 
   a reference to another 1970ish book that had a lot of impact The 
   Greening of America by Reich) raises the question of what other 
   different kinds of change may be manifesting in people's inner and outer 
   lives. Stuff that may not be the darling spiritual catch  phrase of the 
   moment. Stuff that may not sound hot and sexy -- more mundane. 
   
   And parallel to my adjacent post on social change, is the change 
   accelerating? Is it manifesting in new and unexpected ways? Can there be 
   opposite, multi-varied change that is far outside the spiritual-cafe 
   norm. More spiritual or inner core outliers. Can anyone define (and 
   limit, by that definition) what inner change consists of?  
   
   If change is accelerating, it may be unsettling. Like a rapid build 
   construction site, if you just saw the demolition of the old site, and 
   the deep excavation of the new, you might thing something bas was 
   happening. Without seeing more of the totality, it may seem bleak.  
   
   Are different parts of the change related --  and if so how? Are outer 
   peoples change and pattern an pace of change related?
   
   
   


 
 I just listened to the Andy Schulman interview.  Honest and cogent.  
 I also like the first three or so minutes in this Schulman-buddha 
 interview as Rick describing how people might see or react to 
 spiritual-ized people.  Seems a good real categorization of what one 
 hears around.  Can see that kind of variation in the skepticism in 
 anti-meditation/anti=spiritual response and TM-deniers on FFL 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield - BATGAP

2010-04-15 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of tartbrain
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:17 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield - BATGAP
 
Don't worry too much about FPAC. In a couple of years you will have your own
show on PBS Inner States and hobnobbing with Charlie Rose, Jim Lehr and
Bill Moyers. And then when Ophra has you on  look out 
Oprah is actually looking for programming for her new Network. I'm all over
it. However it unfolds, or doesn't


[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield - BATGAP

2010-04-15 Thread yifuxero
Your project has the makings of a document of historical importance.
Note the book by John Horgon mentioned in Wiki's Rational Mysticism. He 
interviewed a few people whom he thought had knowledge of transcendental 
experiences: some philosophers, others with some direct experience.  
Unfortunately, he didn't do enough legwork in rounding up more people.  BATGAP 
is much more professional; ...but incomplete as yet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_mysticism

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
 On Behalf Of tartbrain
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:17 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield - BATGAP
  
 Don't worry too much about FPAC. In a couple of years you will have your own
 show on PBS Inner States and hobnobbing with Charlie Rose, Jim Lehr and
 Bill Moyers. And then when Ophra has you on  look out 
 Oprah is actually looking for programming for her new Network. I'm all over
 it. However it unfolds, or doesn't





[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield

2010-04-14 Thread Buck




 Is quite cool, are a lot more posted to the site now.   Rick Archer obviously 
 has been quite busy interviewing.  Is some great journalism  And good 
 commentary too about spirituality. Thanks for taking the time to do this 
 Rick.  
 
 http://batgap.com/
 

FF Buddhas at the gas pumps.

Funny that Rick has scooped the TM movement on this.  Interviewing and 
publishing the 'awakened' this way.  These various Fairfield neighbors (buddhas 
at the gas pump) seems are all of old TM movement. 


 In the domes Bevan calls in every day to hear and commentate on the 
meditating experiences.  Has been doing that for months as his domain.  Those 
tapes available to publicly listen to?  YouTube?  Folks on the IA course have 
to stay put and listen to that commentary there as part of their program there. 
 

Rick's found buddhas out at the gas pumps of the larger meditating community 
would all welcome, in the domes as old meditators?  A large irony of course is 
that they all seem to give credit to TM along the way yet by 'guideline' of the 
TM movement they mostly would not be welcome in the domes as most have visited 
with other holy people, saints or gurus. 



 
 I just listened to the Andy Schulman interview.  Honest and cogent.  I also 
 like the first three or so minutes in this Schulman-buddha interview as Rick 
 describing how people might see or react to spiritual-ized people.  Seems a 
 good real categorization of what one hears around.  Can see that kind of 
 variation in the skepticism in anti-meditation/anti=spiritual response and 
 TM-deniers on FFL too.   
 
 http://batgap.com/
 
 
  
   Transcendental Fairfield:
   
   People everywhere are undergoing a shift to an Awakened state of 
   consciousness which is transforming their understanding of themselves and 
   the world. For some, this shift has been abrupt and dramatic. For others, 
   it has been so gradual that they may not have realized it has occurred. 
   Such shifts, or awakenings, are not new: Christ spoke of the Kingdom 
   of Heaven within, Buddhists speak of Nirvana, Zen masters of Satori, 
   Hindus of Moksha, but these traditions generally regard these states as 
   rare and difficult to attain. 
   
   Many people are therefore skeptical of claims of higher states of 
   consciousness. They find it hard to believe that apparently ordinary 
   friends and neighbors might be experiencing something extraordinary. 
   Maybe they expect Enlightenment to look as remarkable on the outside as 
   it is reputed to be on the inside.
  
  
  
  About,
  
  This show will attempt to dispel skepticism and misconceptions by week 
  after week, allowing otherwise ordinary people to relate their experience 
  of spiritual awakening. The terminology is tricky, because there are no 
  universally agreed upon definitions to describe this experience. Also, 
  enlightenment is not something that an individual person gets. It's not 
  even something that the mind can grasp. It's an awakening to that which 
  contains the mind and all other things. So it's not surprising that 
  language is inadequate to convey it. 
  
  http://batgap.com/
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield

2010-04-14 Thread tartbrain


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony...@... wrote:

 
 
 
 
  Is quite cool, are a lot more posted to the site now.   Rick Archer 
  obviously has been quite busy interviewing.  Is some great journalism  And 
  good commentary too about spirituality. Thanks for taking the time to do 
  this Rick.  
  
  http://batgap.com/
  
 
 FF Buddhas at the gas pumps.
 
 Funny that Rick has scooped the TM movement on this.  Interviewing and 
 publishing the 'awakened' this way.  These various Fairfield neighbors 
 (buddhas at the gas pump) seems are all of old TM movement. 
 
 
  In the domes Bevan calls in every day to hear and commentate on the 
 meditating experiences.  Has been doing that for months as his domain.  Those 
 tapes available to publicly listen to?  YouTube?  Folks on the IA course have 
 to stay put and listen to that commentary there as part of their program 
 there.  
 
 Rick's found buddhas out at the gas pumps of the larger meditating community 
 would all welcome, in the domes as old meditators?  A large irony of course 
 is that they all seem to give credit to TM along the way yet by 'guideline' 
 of the TM movement they mostly would not be welcome in the domes as most have 
 visited with other holy people, saints or gurus. 
 

I have only seen one BudPump, but seek to watch more. 

The contrast of unfettered description of change in ones inner life (kind of 
ironic huh) from the high-tea, silk couch, victorian approach of the TMO, to a 
more blue jeans approach of BudGas, (The greening of the TMO -- a reference to 
another 1970ish book that had a lot of impact The Greening of America by 
Reich) raises the question of what other different kinds of change may be 
manifesting in people's inner and outer lives. Stuff that may not be the 
darling spiritual catch  phrase of the moment. Stuff that may not sound hot and 
sexy -- more mundane. 

And parallel to my adjacent post on social change, is the change accelerating? 
Is it manifesting in new and unexpected ways? Can there be opposite, 
multi-varied change that is far outside the spiritual-cafe norm. More 
spiritual or inner core outliers. Can anyone define (and limit, by that 
definition) what inner change consists of?  

If change is accelerating, it may be unsettling. Like a rapid build 
construction site, if you just saw the demolition of the old site, and the deep 
excavation of the new, you might thing something bas was happening. Without 
seeing more of the totality, it may seem bleak.  

Are different parts of the change related --  and if so how? Are outer peoples 
change and pattern an pace of change related?



 
 
  
  I just listened to the Andy Schulman interview.  Honest and cogent.  I also 
  like the first three or so minutes in this Schulman-buddha interview as 
  Rick describing how people might see or react to spiritual-ized people.  
  Seems a good real categorization of what one hears around.  Can see that 
  kind of variation in the skepticism in anti-meditation/anti=spiritual 
  response and TM-deniers on FFL too.   
  
  http://batgap.com/
  
  
   
Transcendental Fairfield:

People everywhere are undergoing a shift to an Awakened state of 
consciousness which is transforming their understanding of themselves 
and the world. For some, this shift has been abrupt and dramatic. For 
others, it has been so gradual that they may not have realized it has 
occurred. Such shifts, or awakenings, are not new: Christ spoke of 
the Kingdom of Heaven within, Buddhists speak of Nirvana, Zen masters 
of Satori, Hindus of Moksha, but these traditions generally regard 
these states as rare and difficult to attain. 

Many people are therefore skeptical of claims of higher states of 
consciousness. They find it hard to believe that apparently ordinary 
friends and neighbors might be experiencing something extraordinary. 
Maybe they expect Enlightenment to look as remarkable on the outside as 
it is reputed to be on the inside.
   
   
   
   About,
   
   This show will attempt to dispel skepticism and misconceptions by week 
   after week, allowing otherwise ordinary people to relate their experience 
   of spiritual awakening. The terminology is tricky, because there are no 
   universally agreed upon definitions to describe this experience. Also, 
   enlightenment is not something that an individual person gets. It's not 
   even something that the mind can grasp. It's an awakening to that which 
   contains the mind and all other things. So it's not surprising that 
   language is inadequate to convey it. 
   
   http://batgap.com/
  
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield

2010-04-14 Thread curtisdeltablues
=--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote:

 I have only seen one BudPump, but seek to watch more. 
 
 The contrast of unfettered description of change in ones inner life (kind of 
 ironic huh) from the high-tea, silk couch, victorian approach of the TMO, to 
 a more blue jeans approach of BudGas, snip


I agree and think the conception of this project is brilliant no matter where 
you stand on the higher states thoery.  I have listened to 3 of them so far 
and think Rick is doing an excellent job in providing a safe venue for people 
to expose something pretty intimate while throwing in some good questions to 
keep the ball rolling.  I'm sure their openness has a lot to do with Rick's 
friendly acceptance.

I've been trying to collect the specific claims about what has changed in their 
lives.  Predictably the people who are still very Maharishi directed use his 
terms and people who look elsewhere for their intellectual framework use those 
terms to describe their inner states.  Very little to put in a wheelbarrow as 
should be expected.  But the language is so vague and imprecise that is it 
difficult to pin down what exactly is being claimed.  Objects appear more 
transparent, their self expands.  Terms that used to mean so much to me but 
now seem so empty outside the language system of spirituality.  Believing that 
your self is the Self of everything is poetic.  Does it really matter? I'm 
not sure.

I do believe that trans-personal experiences can be helpful but I'm not sure if 
taking this long to have them might develop a type of internal state, 
self-fascination that strikes me as odd.  It might be best for people to drop a 
hit of whatever, embrace the feeling of being everything for a while, and then 
drop back into daily life refreshed but without years of self-absorption.  That 
might give most of the claimed benefits.  And despite the strong opinions to 
the contrary, most of my psychedelic insights have brought permanent shifts in 
my perspective. It just depends what you want to pay attention to. They 
certainly are on a par with anything I got out of meditation for permanently 
shifting my inner states. 

Nothing has convinced me that this is more than a POV on their inner 
experiences. People who enjoy thinking this much about their inner state of 
mind who become more and more expressive of every shift and change.  I have had 
enough shifts of mind myself to believe that they aren't making this up, but 
believe they may be making a big deal about states that the rest of us take for 
granted.  There are some whose admitted mental history should give us some 
insight into how radically their minds might shift at any given time.  If this 
time it made them feel better, good for them, I hope it stays that way.

Most of all it is a bit hard to get through entire interviews because their 
micro fascination with their own internal states lacks a language that does it 
any justice.  Describing it head on may be the poorest way to express these 
states.  It may be that for me it is art that does it best.  Perhaps if I saw 
the dancer in the series dance I might be more impressed that she was different 
in a way that mattered to anyone outside herself.  Maybe it is that people who 
can convey inner states though the arts can actually move and inspire me in a 
way that these descriptions can't.  What is it in art that moves us that shifts 
our states and conveys such beauty. Why is that inspirational quality lacking 
in these descriptions? Or perhaps it is just me.  I may have drifted too far 
out of the insider perspective that fills these descriptions with glowy charm.  
I sense that these people are experienced in describing their new states of 
mind and have honed their narrative to in corporate the reactions they have had 
to their phrasing.  We are not the first audience for these stories.

But if these people are expressing true significant shifts of consciousness 
that would benefit humanity then Rick's project is going way beyond the 
movement in opening them for examination.  I think either way Rick is really on 
to something with this project.  By now we should expect people living in the 
states Maharishi described vaguely and promised repeatedly.  Hearing from them 
is a great resource for all of us interested in evaluating these claims. 





 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  
  
  
  
   Is quite cool, are a lot more posted to the site now.   Rick Archer 
   obviously has been quite busy interviewing.  Is some great journalism  
   And good commentary too about spirituality. Thanks for taking the time to 
   do this Rick.  
   
   http://batgap.com/
   
  
  FF Buddhas at the gas pumps.
  
  Funny that Rick has scooped the TM movement on this.  Interviewing and 
  publishing the 'awakened' this way.  These various Fairfield neighbors 
  (buddhas at the gas pump) seems are all of old TM movement. 
  
  
   In the 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield

2010-04-14 Thread Vaj


On Apr 14, 2010, at 12:10 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:

 By now we should expect people living in the states Maharishi  
described vaguely and promised repeatedly.



Why should we expect that? Doesn't that rest on the assumption that  
he was on the up-and-up and telling the truth?


One of MMY's criteria for mere CC was decreased need for sleep.  
Typically such people that I've known only require a couple hours of  
sleep (or less)! Clearly if such a dramatic physiological shift was  
taking place, people would mention it, the TMO would shout it from  
the rooftops, etc.


But is that happening? So far, no, from this POV, and other than the  
fine parsing of subjectivity you mention, not much to write home  
about. As Ram Das points out, some people get real wrapped in the  
drama of awakening. And a good drama always wants an audience.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield

2010-04-14 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Buck
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:30 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield
 
 Is quite cool, are a lot more posted to the site now. Rick Archer
obviously has been quite busy interviewing. Is some great journalism And
good commentary too about spirituality. Thanks for taking the time to do
this Rick. 
 
 http://batgap.com/
 

FF Buddhas at the gas pumps.

Funny that Rick has scooped the TM movement on this. Interviewing and
publishing the 'awakened' this way. These various Fairfield neighbors
(buddhas at the gas pump) seems are all of old TM movement. 

In the domes Bevan calls in every day to hear and commentate on the
meditating experiences. Has been doing that for months as his domain. Those
tapes available to publicly listen to? YouTube? Folks on the IA course have
to stay put and listen to that commentary there as part of their program
there. 

Rick's found buddhas out at the gas pumps of the larger meditating community
would all welcome, in the domes as old meditators? A large irony of course
is that they all seem to give credit to TM along the way yet by 'guideline'
of the TM movement they mostly would not be welcome in the domes as most
have visited with other holy people, saints or gurus. 
It should be noted that among the people I've interviewed so far, a few are
or have recently been MUM students, one is on MSAE faculty, and one is MUM
Dean of Men. All but one have a TM background (Sandra Glickman is Adi Da,
Waking Down, etc.), but that's mainly because so far, I've been limited to
interviewing FF people. I'm working on being able to use Skype to conduct
remote interviews with quality adequate for FPAC (the Fairfield
http://fairfieldpublicaccess.net/  Public Access TV Station). FPAC hasn't
aired any of these yet, but may start doing so within a week. That should
stir the pot a bit. I guess I'm a natural-born rabble rouser.
Note to Curtis and others: I wouldn't have the patience to sit in front of
my computer and listen to these myself. Put them on your iPod if you have
one. There's an iTunes
http://itunes.apple.com/podcast/buddha-at-the-gas-pump/id359034195
channel you can subscribe to or you can download mp3's from
http://batgap.com, if you have an mp3 player other than an iPod. I'm going
to be uploading newer versions of almost all of these with better audio
quality.


[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield - BATGAP

2010-04-14 Thread mainstream20016
Every episode is fascinating and together the series presents an intimate 
insight into the histories and perspectives of the constellation of characters 
that live in town.

My favorite guest to date is Michael 'not Mike' Baxter. His tutorial 
presentation on the primacy of the Self, and Rick's wise probes of his theory, 
are a real treat. 

Highly recommended as a series.
 
iTunes audio downloads make convenient listening.  Thanks, Rick. 
Congratulations.

-Mainstream

 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... 
wrote:

 =--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
 
  I have only seen one BudPump, but seek to watch more. 
  
  The contrast of unfettered description of change in ones inner life (kind 
  of ironic huh) from the high-tea, silk couch, victorian approach of the 
  TMO, to a more blue jeans approach of BudGas, snip
 
 
 I agree and think the conception of this project is brilliant no matter where 
 you stand on the higher states thoery.  I have listened to 3 of them so far 
 and think Rick is doing an excellent job in providing a safe venue for people 
 to expose something pretty intimate while throwing in some good questions to 
 keep the ball rolling.  I'm sure their openness has a lot to do with Rick's 
 friendly acceptance.
 
 I've been trying to collect the specific claims about what has changed in 
 their lives.  Predictably the people who are still very Maharishi directed 
 use his terms and people who look elsewhere for their intellectual framework 
 use those terms to describe their inner states.  Very little to put in a 
 wheelbarrow as should be expected.  But the language is so vague and 
 imprecise that is it difficult to pin down what exactly is being claimed.  
 Objects appear more transparent, their self expands.  Terms that used to 
 mean so much to me but now seem so empty outside the language system of 
 spirituality.  Believing that your self is the Self of everything is 
 poetic.  Does it really matter? I'm not sure.
 
 I do believe that trans-personal experiences can be helpful but I'm not sure 
 if taking this long to have them might develop a type of internal state, 
 self-fascination that strikes me as odd.  It might be best for people to drop 
 a hit of whatever, embrace the feeling of being everything for a while, and 
 then drop back into daily life refreshed but without years of 
 self-absorption.  That might give most of the claimed benefits.  And despite 
 the strong opinions to the contrary, most of my psychedelic insights have 
 brought permanent shifts in my perspective. It just depends what you want to 
 pay attention to. They certainly are on a par with anything I got out of 
 meditation for permanently shifting my inner states. 
 
 Nothing has convinced me that this is more than a POV on their inner 
 experiences. People who enjoy thinking this much about their inner state of 
 mind who become more and more expressive of every shift and change.  I have 
 had enough shifts of mind myself to believe that they aren't making this up, 
 but believe they may be making a big deal about states that the rest of us 
 take for granted.  There are some whose admitted mental history should give 
 us some insight into how radically their minds might shift at any given time. 
  If this time it made them feel better, good for them, I hope it stays that 
 way.
 
 Most of all it is a bit hard to get through entire interviews because their 
 micro fascination with their own internal states lacks a language that does 
 it any justice.  Describing it head on may be the poorest way to express 
 these states.  It may be that for me it is art that does it best.  Perhaps if 
 I saw the dancer in the series dance I might be more impressed that she was 
 different in a way that mattered to anyone outside herself.  Maybe it is that 
 people who can convey inner states though the arts can actually move and 
 inspire me in a way that these descriptions can't.  What is it in art that 
 moves us that shifts our states and conveys such beauty. Why is that 
 inspirational quality lacking in these descriptions? Or perhaps it is just 
 me.  I may have drifted too far out of the insider perspective that fills 
 these descriptions with glowy charm.  I sense that these people are 
 experienced in describing their new states of mind and have honed their 
 narrative to in corporate the reactions they have had to their phrasing.  We 
 are not the first audience for these stories.
 
 But if these people are expressing true significant shifts of consciousness 
 that would benefit humanity then Rick's project is going way beyond the 
 movement in opening them for examination.  I think either way Rick is really 
 on to something with this project.  By now we should expect people living in 
 the states Maharishi described vaguely and promised repeatedly.  Hearing from 
 them is a great resource for all of us interested in evaluating these 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield - BATGAP

2010-04-14 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of mainstream20016
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:57 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield - BATGAP
 
  
Every episode is fascinating and together the series presents an intimate
insight into the histories and perspectives of the constellation of
characters that live in town.

My favorite guest to date is Michael 'not Mike' Baxter. His tutorial
presentation on the primacy of the Self, and Rick's wise probes of his
theory, are a real treat. 

Highly recommended as a series.

iTunes audio downloads make convenient listening. Thanks, Rick.
Congratulations.

-Mainstream
You're welcome. My pleasure. At the moment, FPAC has me on hold until the
station manager reviews a few of the videos I've done. Hopefully, I'll be
recording again next week. This weekend, I may experiment with an interview
via Skype recorded on my computer. My thinking on interviewing in town
characters is to refute Zappa's assertion that it can't happen here and my
intention in interviewing out-of-town characters is to show that it's not
only happening here. Both of those attitudes are prevalent among various
people.
 


[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield - BATGAP

2010-04-14 Thread tartbrain


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
 On Behalf Of mainstream20016
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:57 AM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield - BATGAP
  
   
 Every episode is fascinating and together the series presents an intimate
 insight into the histories and perspectives of the constellation of
 characters that live in town.
 
 My favorite guest to date is Michael 'not Mike' Baxter. His tutorial
 presentation on the primacy of the Self, and Rick's wise probes of his
 theory, are a real treat. 
 
 Highly recommended as a series.
 
 iTunes audio downloads make convenient listening. Thanks, Rick.
 Congratulations.
 
 -Mainstream
 You're welcome. My pleasure. At the moment, FPAC has me on hold until the
 station manager reviews a few of the videos I've done. Hopefully, I'll be
 recording again next week. This weekend, I may experiment with an interview
 via Skype recorded on my computer. My thinking on interviewing in town
 characters is to refute Zappa's assertion that it can't happen here and my
 intention in interviewing out-of-town characters is to show that it's not
 only happening here. Both of those attitudes are prevalent among various
 people.


Don't worry to much about FPAC. In a couple of years you will have your own 
show on PBS Inner States  and hobnobbing with Charlie Rose, Jim Lehr and Bill 
Moyers. And then when Ophra has you on  look out 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield

2010-04-10 Thread Buck




 Transcendental Fairfield:
 
 People everywhere are undergoing a shift to an Awakened state of 
 consciousness which is transforming their understanding of themselves and the 
 world. For some, this shift has been abrupt and dramatic. For others, it has 
 been so gradual that they may not have realized it has occurred. Such shifts, 
 or awakenings, are not new: Christ spoke of the Kingdom of Heaven within, 
 Buddhists speak of Nirvana, Zen masters of Satori, Hindus of Moksha, but 
 these traditions generally regard these states as rare and difficult to 
 attain. 
 
 Many people are therefore skeptical of claims of higher states of 
 consciousness. They find it hard to believe that apparently ordinary friends 
 and neighbors might be experiencing something extraordinary. Maybe they 
 expect Enlightenment to look as remarkable on the outside as it is reputed to 
 be on the inside.



About,

This show will attempt to dispel skepticism and misconceptions by week after 
week, allowing otherwise ordinary people to relate their experience of 
spiritual awakening. The terminology is tricky, because there are no 
universally agreed upon definitions to describe this experience. Also, 
enlightenment is not something that an individual person gets. It's not even 
something that the mind can grasp. It's an awakening to that which contains the 
mind and all other things. So it's not surprising that language is inadequate 
to convey it. 

http://batgap.com/




[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Fairfield

2010-04-10 Thread Buck
Is quite cool, are a lot more posted to the site now.   Rick Archer obviously 
has been quite busy interviewing.  Is some great journalism  And good 
commentary too about spirituality. Thanks for taking the time to do this Rick.  

http://batgap.com/


I just listened to the Andy Schulman interview.  Honest and cogent.  I also 
like the first three or so minutes in this Schulman-buddha interview as Rick 
describing how people might see or react to spiritual-ized people.  Seems a 
good real categorization of what one hears around.  Can see that kind of 
variation in the skepticism in anti-meditation/anti=spiritual response and 
TM-deniers on FFL too.   

http://batgap.com/


 
  Transcendental Fairfield:
  
  People everywhere are undergoing a shift to an Awakened state of 
  consciousness which is transforming their understanding of themselves and 
  the world. For some, this shift has been abrupt and dramatic. For others, 
  it has been so gradual that they may not have realized it has occurred. 
  Such shifts, or awakenings, are not new: Christ spoke of the Kingdom of 
  Heaven within, Buddhists speak of Nirvana, Zen masters of Satori, Hindus 
  of Moksha, but these traditions generally regard these states as rare and 
  difficult to attain. 
  
  Many people are therefore skeptical of claims of higher states of 
  consciousness. They find it hard to believe that apparently ordinary 
  friends and neighbors might be experiencing something extraordinary. Maybe 
  they expect Enlightenment to look as remarkable on the outside as it is 
  reputed to be on the inside.
 
 
 
 About,
 
 This show will attempt to dispel skepticism and misconceptions by week after 
 week, allowing otherwise ordinary people to relate their experience of 
 spiritual awakening. The terminology is tricky, because there are no 
 universally agreed upon definitions to describe this experience. Also, 
 enlightenment is not something that an individual person gets. It's not 
 even something that the mind can grasp. It's an awakening to that which 
 contains the mind and all other things. So it's not surprising that language 
 is inadequate to convey it. 
 
 http://batgap.com/