[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the purpose of the puja?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" > wrote: > > > > I often wonder why a mental puja is not used. > > The TM Puja is 99% mental. I a number of TM teachers who were 99% mental.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the purpose of the puja?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I often wonder why a mental puja is not used. The TM Puja is 99% mental.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the purpose of the puja?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > > > > > --- shempmcgurk wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Does anybody know what is the purpose of the TM > > > puja? > > > > > > > > Is it to enliven the mantra,or is it to help the > > > teacher to connect > > > > with Guru Dev,or to go to the transcendent in > > > order to fuse the > > > mantra > > > > with shakti,before passing it on to the initiate? > > > any thoughts,or > > > > opinions? > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Billy > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it is all of the above. > > > > > > Speaking from experience, something profound > > > happens. And I say that > > > not so much as a result of my experiences initiating > > > (I taught about > > > 50 people) but from being a "flower boy" for > > > hundreds of initiations > > > BEFORE I became a teacher. I waited outside the > > > three rooms we had > > > for initiations on Saturdays to guide people to the > > > room we used for > > > their first meditation. Well, after about 5 minutes > > > of them entering > > > the initiation room (about the time the mantra was > > > imparted to them), > > > I sensed the entire atmophere change; I sensed > > > something very > > > profound going on that was incredibly palpable. > > > > > > So I think that the puja replaces an enlightened > > > master giving you > > > the mantra, which he can enliven just by the fact > > > that it is he in > > > his enlightened state imparting it to you; by doing > > > the puja and > > > invoking that tradition, the mantra is being > > > imparted at that level. > > > > > > A mantra given without a puja may work and have some > > > effect but it > > > would, in my opinion, be missing someting very, very > > > special. > > > > Agree with Shemp here. Working as a flower boy and > > then initiating myself you experience a profound > > change in the environment. Forget the theory, > > something really amazing happens when you do a puja or > > pujas. A very profound, holy sweetness. > > I also like what Shemp had to say but I might add that in addition to > creating the appropriate atmosphere it is an acknowledgment that the > teaching comes from a 'tradition', like Shemp said, of Masters > (whether you believe that or not) and MMY is not just some Johnny come > lately giving out mantras (although you may believe that), Nobody belives that except the great expert Vaj... hehe I > personally don't know other than I've benefited from it :-). >
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the purpose of the puja?
I often wonder why a mental puja is not used. Burn some incense,and have the Initiate observe the teacher chanting a mental pija in preparing himself/herself to impart the mantra. Here is an example of a mental puja:- The Shiva manasa puja by Sri Adi Shankaracharya is a unique stotra. It in in the form of a prayer by a devotee who imagines in his mind all the offerings and rituals prescribed in a pooja and offers them to lord Shiva with faith and devotion. This stotra is an eye opener to those who are fanatic about rituals as it clearly shows that faith and intentions are more important! Adi Sankaracharya's Shiva Manasa Pooja [The mental worship of Lord Shiva] Translated by P. R. Ramachander Aaradhayami mani sannibham athma lingam, Maayapuri hrudaya pankaja sannivishtam, Sradha nadhi vimala chitha jalabishegai, Nithyam samadhi kusmaira punarbhavai. (This stanza does not appear in most of the texts of Shiva Manasa Pooja but appears in Nirguna Manasa Pooja. But the version which I consult includes it here as the first stanza) I worship that Linga, Which is in me as my soul, Residing in the illusory lotus of my heart, Getting bathed by the clear water, Of the river of my devotion, And worshipped daily by the Lotus, Of my meditation for avoiding another birth. Rathnai Kalpitham asanam, Himajalai snanam cha divyambaram, Naana rathna vibhooshitham mruga madha modhanvitham Chandanam, Jathi champaka bilwa pathra rachitham, pushpam cha deepam Thada, Deepam deva dayanithe pasupathe, hrud kalpyatham gruhyatham. I offer you an imaginary throne made of precious jewels, I offer you bath in the water of melted snow from the Himalayas, I offer you holy silken cloth to wear, I adorn you with very many precious jewels, I offer you musk and sandal, I offer you Bilwa and Champaka flowers, And I offer you the holy lamp, But all these I offer in the portal of my mind, Please God who is merciful and who is the Lord of all beings, Accept my offerings and bless me. Souvarne nava rathna Ganda Rachithe, pathre Grutham Payasam, Bakshyam pancha vidam Payo dadhiyutham, rambha phalam panakam, Saaka namayutham jalam ruchikaram, karpoora gandojwalam, Thamboolam manasa maya virachitham Bhakthyo prabho sweekuru Sweet rice in a golden bowl inlaid with the nine jewels, the five kinds of food made from milk and curd, bananas, vegetables, sweet water scented with camphor, and betel leaves - I have prepared all these in my mind with devotion. O lord, please accept them. I offer you Ghee and the sweet payasam in golden vessel , Decorated with nine type of precious gems, I offer you five different dishes made of curd and milk, I offer you panakam made of sweet fruits, I offer you tasty sweet scented water to drink, I offer you the lamp made of camphor along with tinkling bells, And I offer you betel leaf and nut, But these are offered by my mind with utter devotion to you, So Lord Kindly accept and bless. Chathram Chamarayoryugam vyajanagam, chaa darshakam nirmalam, Veena bheri mrudanga kahala kala geetha nruthyam thada, Sasthangam pranthi sthuthir bahu vidha, hyethat samastham maya, Sankalpena samapitham thava vibho , poojam gruhana prabho. I offer you a pretty stage, I offer you couple of decorative fans, I also offer you shining mirror, I offer you Veena, kettledrums, Mrudanga and a very big drum, I offer you song and dance, I offer you full prostration, I offer you several types of prayers, But all these I offer you my Lord, in my mind So Lord kindly accept this my worship. Aathma thwam Girija Mathi sahacharaa, prana sarreram gruham, Pooja theey vishayopa bhoga rachana, nidhra samadhi sthithi, Sanchara padayo pradakshina vidhi, , sthothrani sarva giraa, Yadyath karma karomi thathad akhilam, shambho thavaradhanam. My soul is your temple my lord, My activities are thine attendants, My body is thine home, My acts to please my senses are thine worship, My act of sleep is the deep meditation on thee, All my walks with my feet are thine perambulations, What ever falls from my mouth are thine prayers, Oh Lord, everything I say and do are thine forms of worship. Kara charana krutham vaak kayajam karmajam vaa, Sravana nayanajam vaa maanasam vaa aparadham, Vihithamavihitham vaa sarva methath Kshamaswa, Jaya Jaya katunabdhe sri Mahadeva Shambho. Please pardon Oh lord All those acts committed by me, By hands, by action, by body or By hearing, by my sight, or by my mind, Whether they are proper or improper.. Victory oh victory, Oh, ocean of mercy, Oh, The greatest of Gods and Oh benevolent one. Matha cha Parvathy Devi, Pitha devo Maheswara, Bandhava Shiva Bakthamscha, Swadeso Bhuvana thray. My mother is the goddess Parvathy, My father is the Lord Shiva, My friends are the devotees of Shiva And my native place is all the three worlds. Namaste, Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't think it is anything at all mystical like that. The puja just > raises shakti to
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the purpose of the puja?
I am a Usui Reiki Master,I hate that title,but it just means I can attune people to the 3 different levels of Reiki. When I perform an attunement on somebody,I get totally bombed out,and I always notice that my meditations are much more blissful for several days afterwards. It's probably something to do with the heightened energy from the attunement. Namaste, Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't think it is anything at all mystical like that. The puja just > raises shakti to a high point temporarily enough to enliven the mantra. > And yes to those who speak of the changes in the environment pujas will > enliven the environment (or purify -- pick your choice of words and not > to mention how zoned out the intitator becomes). IOW, it is a science of > sound that is creating the effect. Of course one can argue that > Brahmananda Saraswati (remember the title Guru Dev can mean a different > person in another tradition) or the energy "link" from the tradition of > masters is being passed along because that IS of course shakti. > > > biosoundbill wrote: > > Is it true that Guru Dev is the primary link to the Holy > > Tradition,and that he actually becomes ones Guru through the > > Initiation? > > > > I have seen a very similar puja where Shiva is the main link. > > > > Namaste, > > > > Billy > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > >> biosoundbill wrote: > >> > >>> Does anybody know what is the purpose of the TM puja? > >>> > >>> Is it to enliven the mantra,or is it to help the teacher to > >>> > > connect > > > >>> with Guru Dev,or to go to the transcendent in order to fuse the > >>> > > mantra > > > >>> with shakti,before passing it on to the initiate? any > >>> > > thoughts,or > > > >>> opinions? > >>> > >>> Namaste, > >>> > >>> Billy > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> To enliven the mantra in lieu of having a guru mantra to enliven > >> > > it and > > > >> giving shaktipat for a meditation kickstart. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the purpose of the puja?
Maharishi makes some related comments on Global Fanily Chat of Oct 22 which will show up in the archives in a few weeks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Does anybody know what is the purpose of the TM puja? > > Is it to enliven the mantra,or is it to help the teacher to connect > with Guru Dev,or to go to the transcendent in order to fuse the mantra > with shakti,before passing it on to the initiate? any thoughts,or > opinions? > > Namaste, > > Billy >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the purpose of the puja?
I don't think it is anything at all mystical like that. The puja just raises shakti to a high point temporarily enough to enliven the mantra. And yes to those who speak of the changes in the environment pujas will enliven the environment (or purify -- pick your choice of words and not to mention how zoned out the intitator becomes). IOW, it is a science of sound that is creating the effect. Of course one can argue that Brahmananda Saraswati (remember the title Guru Dev can mean a different person in another tradition) or the energy "link" from the tradition of masters is being passed along because that IS of course shakti. biosoundbill wrote: > Is it true that Guru Dev is the primary link to the Holy > Tradition,and that he actually becomes ones Guru through the > Initiation? > > I have seen a very similar puja where Shiva is the main link. > > Namaste, > > Billy > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> biosoundbill wrote: >> >>> Does anybody know what is the purpose of the TM puja? >>> >>> Is it to enliven the mantra,or is it to help the teacher to >>> > connect > >>> with Guru Dev,or to go to the transcendent in order to fuse the >>> > mantra > >>> with shakti,before passing it on to the initiate? any >>> > thoughts,or > >>> opinions? >>> >>> Namaste, >>> >>> Billy >>> >>> >>> >>> >> To enliven the mantra in lieu of having a guru mantra to enliven >> > it and > >> giving shaktipat for a meditation kickstart. >> >> > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the purpose of the puja?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Does anybody know what is the purpose of the TM puja? > > Is it to enliven the mantra,or is it to help the teacher to connect > with Guru Dev,or to go to the transcendent in order to fuse the >mantra > with shakti,before passing it on to the initiate? any thoughts,or > opinions? > Namaste, > Billy Personally Billy, I believe you/or I, don't have a personal Guru, and even if we did, he likely wouldn't be much use to you or me for that matter, you can't transmit a 1000 watts into a 12 watt bulb, get my drift? MMY is merely acting as a human instructor in order to raise your vibrations high enough to be able to merit a Sat-Guru (True God Realized Guru) that can transmit some of his God Consciousness to you and connect you directly to Brahman. I think if we take the hocus-pocus out of the mantra/Initiation we are better off and just take MMY's word that the mantras are the personal names of Gods/deities and have an auspicious effect, the rest is merely contained in Patanjali's eight limbs of yoga and Samyama in particular; Dharan (effortless 'concentration'), Dhyan spontaneous contemplation of the Divine, and Samadhi immersion into the one and only.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the purpose of the puja?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is it true that Guru Dev is the primary link to the Holy > Tradition,and that he actually becomes ones Guru through the > Initiation? Personally I don't thing so, Guru Dev is MMY's Guru, supposedly you only have one Guru and that is a very special relationship where your Guru, as Charlie use to say, "introduces you to God/Brahman". In order to be accepted by a Sat-Guru one must first merit it! Much like a Master music teacher would not waste his time on a beginner student, if he does he is merely acting as a human teacher and the full measure of his power is unavailable to the student because the student is not *ready* to receive in this case, the tremendous Shaktipat or Diksha the Guru can transmit. The best course is to be faithful to your sadhana and God in his infinite wisdom will send you a personal Guruwhen you merit it and not before! > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > biosoundbill wrote: > > > Does anybody know what is the purpose of the TM puja? > > > > > > Is it to enliven the mantra,or is it to help the teacher to > connect > > > with Guru Dev,or to go to the transcendent in order to fuse the > mantra > > > with shakti,before passing it on to the initiate? any > thoughts,or > > > opinions? > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Billy Personally Billy, I believe you/or I don't have a personal Guru, and if even if you did, he likely wouldn't be much use to you or me for that matter, you can't transmit a 1000 watts into a 12 watt bulb, get my drift? MMY is merely acting as a human instructor in order to raise your vibrations high enough to be able to merit a Sat-Guru (True God Realized Guru) that can transmit some of his God Consciousness to you and connect you directly to Brahman.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the purpose of the puja?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Does anybody know what is the purpose of the TM > > puja? > > > > > > Is it to enliven the mantra,or is it to help the > > teacher to connect > > > with Guru Dev,or to go to the transcendent in > > order to fuse the > > mantra > > > with shakti,before passing it on to the initiate? > > any thoughts,or > > > opinions? > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Billy > > > > > > > > > I think it is all of the above. > > > > Speaking from experience, something profound > > happens. And I say that > > not so much as a result of my experiences initiating > > (I taught about > > 50 people) but from being a "flower boy" for > > hundreds of initiations > > BEFORE I became a teacher. I waited outside the > > three rooms we had > > for initiations on Saturdays to guide people to the > > room we used for > > their first meditation. Well, after about 5 minutes > > of them entering > > the initiation room (about the time the mantra was > > imparted to them), > > I sensed the entire atmophere change; I sensed > > something very > > profound going on that was incredibly palpable. > > > > So I think that the puja replaces an enlightened > > master giving you > > the mantra, which he can enliven just by the fact > > that it is he in > > his enlightened state imparting it to you; by doing > > the puja and > > invoking that tradition, the mantra is being > > imparted at that level. > > > > A mantra given without a puja may work and have some > > effect but it > > would, in my opinion, be missing someting very, very > > special. > > Agree with Shemp here. Working as a flower boy and > then initiating myself you experience a profound > change in the environment. Forget the theory, > something really amazing happens when you do a puja or > pujas. A very profound, holy sweetness. I also like what Shemp had to say but I might add that in addition to creating the appropriate atmosphere it is an acknowledgment that the teaching comes from a 'tradition', like Shemp said, of Masters (whether you believe that or not) and MMY is not just some Johnny come lately giving out mantras (although you may believe that), I personally don't know other than I've benefited from it :-).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the purpose of the puja?
On Oct 24, 2007, at 7:18 PM, biosoundbill wrote: Is it true that Guru Dev is the primary link to the Holy Tradition,and that he actually becomes ones Guru through the Initiation? I have seen a very similar puja where Shiva is the main link. I've heard the same melody used in Holy Shankaracharya rituals other than as a lineage invocation, so the melody is fairly common. The actual line invoked is one used in the Shankaracharya Advaita line, tracing their line back to Narayana.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the purpose of the puja?
Is it true that Guru Dev is the primary link to the Holy Tradition,and that he actually becomes ones Guru through the Initiation? I have seen a very similar puja where Shiva is the main link. Namaste, Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > biosoundbill wrote: > > Does anybody know what is the purpose of the TM puja? > > > > Is it to enliven the mantra,or is it to help the teacher to connect > > with Guru Dev,or to go to the transcendent in order to fuse the mantra > > with shakti,before passing it on to the initiate? any thoughts,or > > opinions? > > > > Namaste, > > > > Billy > > > > > > > To enliven the mantra in lieu of having a guru mantra to enliven it and > giving shaktipat for a meditation kickstart. >
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--- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Does anybody know what is the purpose of the TM > puja? > > > > Is it to enliven the mantra,or is it to help the > teacher to connect > > with Guru Dev,or to go to the transcendent in > order to fuse the > mantra > > with shakti,before passing it on to the initiate? > any thoughts,or > > opinions? > > > > Namaste, > > > > Billy > > > > > I think it is all of the above. > > Speaking from experience, something profound > happens. And I say that > not so much as a result of my experiences initiating > (I taught about > 50 people) but from being a "flower boy" for > hundreds of initiations > BEFORE I became a teacher. I waited outside the > three rooms we had > for initiations on Saturdays to guide people to the > room we used for > their first meditation. Well, after about 5 minutes > of them entering > the initiation room (about the time the mantra was > imparted to them), > I sensed the entire atmophere change; I sensed > something very > profound going on that was incredibly palpable. > > So I think that the puja replaces an enlightened > master giving you > the mantra, which he can enliven just by the fact > that it is he in > his enlightened state imparting it to you; by doing > the puja and > invoking that tradition, the mantra is being > imparted at that level. > > A mantra given without a puja may work and have some > effect but it > would, in my opinion, be missing someting very, very > special. Agree with Shemp here. Working as a flower boy and then initiating myself you experience a profound change in the environment. Forget the theory, something really amazing happens when you do a puja or pujas. A very profound, holy sweetness. > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the purpose of the puja?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Does anybody know what is the purpose of the TM puja? > > Is it to enliven the mantra,or is it to help the teacher to connect > with Guru Dev,or to go to the transcendent in order to fuse the mantra > with shakti,before passing it on to the initiate? any thoughts,or > opinions? > > Namaste, > > Billy > I think it is all of the above. Speaking from experience, something profound happens. And I say that not so much as a result of my experiences initiating (I taught about 50 people) but from being a "flower boy" for hundreds of initiations BEFORE I became a teacher. I waited outside the three rooms we had for initiations on Saturdays to guide people to the room we used for their first meditation. Well, after about 5 minutes of them entering the initiation room (about the time the mantra was imparted to them), I sensed the entire atmophere change; I sensed something very profound going on that was incredibly palpable. So I think that the puja replaces an enlightened master giving you the mantra, which he can enliven just by the fact that it is he in his enlightened state imparting it to you; by doing the puja and invoking that tradition, the mantra is being imparted at that level. A mantra given without a puja may work and have some effect but it would, in my opinion, be missing someting very, very special.
