Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: White House Proclamation
On Jun 11, 2009, at 9:45 PM, scienceofabundance wrote: On Jun 10, 2009, at 7:42 PM, scienceofabundance wrote: Below is an announcement from the White House which came out (so to speak) on June 1st. To put it mildly, it means a lot to thousands of Gay BLT Americans Is that gay Americans who like a certain type of sandwich? Hello Sal. You _might_ not be getting out as much as you should:). You noticed that too, huh? To find out what Gay BLTs are, just get a flight from Cedar Rapids to San Francisco, and ask the first person you meet - and s/he will tell you. You probably don't even need to leave the airport and you can be back in FF in time for the Gurgling Bubbles, Laughter, and Transcendence of evening program in the Ladies Golden Dome of whatever it is called these days. Science Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: White House Proclamation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance no_re...@... wrote: Below is an announcement from the White House which came out (so to speak) on June 1st. To put it mildly, it means a lot to thousands of Gay BLT Americans and friends. Also, based on some previous contributions to FFL, it will raise the blood pressure of some members thus providing another reason for some of FFL's most beloved members to contribute their insights. Gay BLT Americans aren't feeling quite so warm and fuzzy about Obama right now: http://www.americablog.com/2009/06/obama-justice-department-defends-doma.html http://is.gd/10iNw
[FairfieldLife] Re: White House Proclamation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance no_reply@ wrote: Below is an announcement from the White House which came out (so to speak) on June 1st. To put it mildly, it means a lot to thousands of Gay BLT Americans and friends. Also, based on some previous contributions to FFL, it will raise the blood pressure of some members thus providing another reason for some of FFL's most beloved members to contribute their insights. Gay BLT Americans aren't feeling quite so warm and fuzzy about Obama right now: http://www.americablog.com/2009/06/obama-justice-department-defends-doma.html http://is.gd/10iNw From CNS News: - In an open letter to the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transsexual (LGBT) community that was posted on Obama's campaign Web site on Feb. 28, 2008, Obama wrote that he favors repealing DOMA. Unlike Senator Clinton, I support the complete repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act a position I have held since before arriving in the U.S. Senate, Obama wrote in the letter. While some say we should repeal only part of the law, I believe we should get rid of that statute altogether, he wrote. Federal law should not discriminate in any way against gay and lesbian couples, which is precisely what DOMA does. The pride section of the Obama campaign Web site also said: Obama also believes we need to fully repeal the Defense of Marriage Act and enact legislation that would ensure that the 1,100+ federal legal rights and benefits currently provided on the basis of marital status are extended to same-sex couples in civil unions and other legally recognized unions. - http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=45106 http://tinyurl.com/d6vvru Either he was lying then to pander to gay voters, or he's changed his mind and now believes federal law *should* discriminate against gay and lesbian couples, because now he's defending DOMA in court. And as Aravosis points out at Alex's link, he's doing it in a manner calculated to do the LGBT rights movement as much damage as humanly possible.
[FairfieldLife] Re: White House Proclamation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: snip Gay BLT Americans aren't feeling quite so warm and fuzzy about Obama right now: Excerpt from a diary on DailyKos by a now- former Obama supporter (far from the only one such, BTW, and many of them by straight people): - ...President Obama, through his Department of Justice, has just sold us down the river. Sold us out. Just like any other lying, cheating politician, Obama has shown his true colors. HIS ADMINISTRATION DEFENDED DOMA TODAY. Defended it. On the anniversary of the Loving v. Virginia decision [ending race-based restrictions on marriage], they DEFENDED IT ...HE USED EVERY SINGLE RIGHT-WING TALKING POINT. Every. Single. One. The incest argument. The marrying children argument. The molestation argument. The well, they have the right to marry a person of the opposite sex, just like anyone else argument. The gays don't have a right to sexual privacy argument. AND THEY SAID DOMA IS CONSTITUTIONAL. I can't forgive that. Strategic or not, I can't forgive those things. GLBTs have worked so hard and for so long to overcome these blatantly bigoted stereotypes, and now the Obama DOJ puts them right back up there and affirms every one of them. This brief undercuts all the major arguments in Lawrence and in Loving. ALL of them. Right to sexual privacy? Gone. Right to marriage? Gone. Constitutional protection? Gone (and did we ever even have that?). That's not justifiable. Once burned, twice shy. I'm not voting for him in 2012. I can't trust our President anymore, and I'll be covering my Obama stickers on my car up as soon as possible, since they won't peel off. Change you can believe in, huh? Not if you're GLBT, I guess. - http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/6/12/174323/602
[FairfieldLife] Re: White House Proclamation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: snip Gay BLT Americans aren't feeling quite so warm and fuzzy about Obama right now: Andrew Sullivan (who passionately supported Obaam's election): - I understand the need to defend existing law. But the zealous defense of DOMA - including repeating countless spurious and unnecessary slurs against gay people - need not be a lawyer's duty. It is a choice by his political superiors. It is not the fact of this brief, it is its contents and rhetoric that sting. They did not have to go this far. In trying to understand why the Obama administration would seek to go to such lengths to make arguments embraced by James Dobson I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt. I was probably wrong. The more I learn the clearer it is that this was a conscious decision by Obama's DOJ to use evey conceivable argument to kill any constitutional attack on DOMA. At the same time, they are clearly committed to doing nothing in the foreseeable future to enact any redress for those couples currently denied their civil rights. On top of this, they obviously did nothing to prepare gay couples or any gay leaders for this swipe at them. Why? Are relations that broken? Some judicious explanation ahead of time would surely have been in everyone's interest. But again, one gets the impression that for the Obama administration, gay people are a burden, a distraction and a bore. - http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/06/dissent-of-the-day-4.html#more http://tinyurl.com/kofpzc
[FairfieldLife] Re: White House Proclamation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: [snip] Once burned, twice shy. I'm not voting for him in 2012. I can't trust our President anymore, and I'll be covering my Obama stickers on my car up as soon as possible, since they won't peel off. [snip] I'll believe that when I see it. Recall that early in Clinton's first mandate when he courageously championed the great NAFTA into law that the union heads all said the same thing: that come 1996 they wouldn't be supporting Clinton. Well, of course, they did when the time came. And I suspect the same will be true for these fellows, too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: White House Proclamation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: snip Gay BLT Americans aren't feeling quite so warm and fuzzy about Obama right now: Andrew Sullivan (who passionately supported Obaam's election): - I understand the need to defend existing law. But the zealous defense of DOMA - including repeating countless spurious and unnecessary slurs against gay people - need not be a lawyer's duty. It is a choice by his political superiors. It is not the fact of this brief, it is its contents and rhetoric that sting. They did not have to go this far. In trying to understand why the Obama administration would seek to go to such lengths to make arguments embraced by James Dobson I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt. I was probably wrong. The more I learn the clearer it is that this was a conscious decision by Obama's DOJ to use evey conceivable argument to kill any constitutional attack on DOMA. At the same time, they are clearly committed to doing nothing in the foreseeable future to enact any redress for those couples currently denied their civil rights. On top of this, they obviously did nothing to prepare gay couples or any gay leaders for this swipe at them. Why? Are relations that broken? Some judicious explanation ahead of time would surely have been in everyone's interest. But again, one gets the impression that for the Obama administration, gay people are a burden, a distraction and a bore. - http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/06/dissent-of-the-day-4.html#more http://tinyurl.com/kofpzc Yawn. I'll support gay marriage when the gays all come out and support polygamous marriage, something the Mormons actually had and gave up in order for Utah to join the union (they also had to give up suffrage for women as well, they being amongst the first to grant it). There is way more historical existance and support for polygamy than there is for gay marriage, both in the Americas as well as around the world. If we're going to grant one non-traditional marriage, then let's open the floodgates for everyone.
[FairfieldLife] Re: White House Proclamation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jun 10, 2009, at 7:42 PM, scienceofabundance wrote: Below is an announcement from the White House which came out (so to speak) on June 1st. To put it mildly, it means a lot to thousands of Gay BLT Americans Is that gay Americans who like a certain type of sandwich? Hello Sal. You _might_ not be getting out as much as you should:). To find out what Gay BLTs are, just get a flight from Cedar Rapids to San Francisco, and ask the first person you meet - and s/he will tell you. You probably don't even need to leave the airport and you can be back in FF in time for the Gurgling Bubbles, Laughter, and Transcendence of evening program in the Ladies Golden Dome of whatever it is called these days. Science
