[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > > > (FWIW, I've *never* heard anybody say "Maharishi said it > > > so it must be true.") > > > > Have you really not heard that? Perhaps it's a typically English > > way of losing an argument. > > I've certainly heard "MMY sez..." but not the second > part, although I'm sure in many cases the person was > *thinking* the second part. > > I'd be really surprised to find that anyone has ever > actually *uttered* the second part. I heard a non-TMer once say it in the context of Yogic Flying. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > (FWIW, I've *never* heard anybody say "Maharishi said it > > so it must be true.") > > Have you really not heard that? Perhaps it's a typically English > way of losing an argument. I've certainly heard "MMY sez..." but not the second part, although I'm sure in many cases the person was *thinking* the second part. I'd be really surprised to find that anyone has ever actually *uttered* the second part. > > The interesting thing about this discussion is that > > according to MMY, he took this same path with Guru > > Dev of "attuning one's thinking to that of the teacher." > > Isn't this mood making? I can see how constant exposure to an > enlightened person will accelerate evolution but a lot of whats said > about this sounds like forcing the proccess from the gross levels. It does sound like that, doesn't it? But maybe it works differently when you're doing it with someone in a really exalted state of consciousness. Mood-making usually involves the ego; maybe when you're totally committed to surrending to the master, it overrides the ego completely. I dunno, just speculating! It's a time-honored path, at any rate. It would be interesting to hear MMY explain it in this context. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > (FWIW, I've *never* heard anybody say "Maharishi said it > > so it must be true.") > > Have you really not heard that? Perhaps it's a typically English way of > losing an argument. > > > > The interesting thing about this discussion is that > > according to MMY, he took this same path with Guru > > Dev of "attuning one's thinking to that of the teacher." > > Isn't this mood making? I can see how constant exposure to an > enlightened person will accelerate evolution but a lot of whats said > about this sounds like forcing the proccess from the gross levels. > MMY, according to what he was quouted as saying, tried to anticipate whatever Gurudev wanted him to DO, not think... > If it's true that when you do this, you take on all > > the qualities of mind of the teacher, what does that > > say about the qualities of MMY's mind that are so > > often criticized here? > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
> > (FWIW, I've *never* heard anybody say "Maharishi said it> so it must be true.") Have you really not heard that? Perhaps it's a typically English way of losing an argument. > > The interesting thing about this discussion is that> according to MMY, he took this same path with Guru> Dev of "attuning one's thinking to that of the teacher." Isn't this mood making? I can see how constant exposure to an enlightened person will accelerate evolution but a lot of whats said about this sounds like forcing the proccess from the gross levels. If it's true that when you do this, you take on all> the qualities of mind of the teacher, what does that> say about the qualities of MMY's mind that are so> often criticized here?> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 21, 2006, at 4:00 PM, off_world_beings wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Feb 21, 2006, at 11:06 AM, authfriend wrote: > >> > >>> Again: Were these qualities MMY got from mind-modeling > >>> Guru Dev? > >> > >> He was a SECRETARY for christsakes--he just did what any good > >> secretary does, anticipated the needs of his boss. Why do people > > need > >> to read some cosmic explanation into that? He learned to be an > >> efficient secretary.>> > > > > > > LMAO ! > > What exactly is the word in Sanskrit in the Shankaraya tradition > > for 'Secretary"??? > > When Guru Dev wanted a note taken up the mountain to a distant Yogi > > friend...did he say, "Call the Secretary"??? > > ROFLMAO ! > > > > OffWorld. > > You laugh. All Guru Dev would have to do is produce the faintest > impulse of a desire and ole M. would whip up a Yogi Tea latte with a > cinnamon stick stirrer. My secretary won't even make coffee! > > MUM may have a future as a secretarial school. MUSS. Maharishi > University of Secretarial Science. Sit on the masters lap and take > his dictation. Since 1960. > So now you're mocking MMY's statements about how dedicated he was to his guru? What was that line in the Senate said to Joseph Macarthy about shame? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 21, 2006, at 11:06 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > Again: Were these qualities MMY got from mind-modeling > > Guru Dev? > > He was a SECRETARY for christsakes--he just did what any good > secretary does, anticipated the needs of his boss. Why do people need > to read some cosmic explanation into that? He learned to be an > efficient secretary. > He became secretary because he had acquired these qualities specifically in regards to SBS, or so is own comments suggest. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
On Feb 21, 2006, at 4:00 PM, off_world_beings wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Feb 21, 2006, at 11:06 AM, authfriend wrote: Again: Were these qualities MMY got from mind-modeling Guru Dev? He was a SECRETARY for christsakes--he just did what any good secretary does, anticipated the needs of his boss. Why do people need to read some cosmic explanation into that? He learned to be an efficient secretary.>> LMAO ! What exactly is the word in Sanskrit in the Shankaraya tradition for 'Secretary"??? When Guru Dev wanted a note taken up the mountain to a distant Yogi friend...did he say, "Call the Secretary"??? ROFLMAO ! OffWorld. You laugh. All Guru Dev would have to do is produce the faintest impulse of a desire and ole M. would whip up a Yogi Tea latte with a cinnamon stick stirrer. My secretary won't even make coffee!MUM may have a future as a secretarial school. MUSS. Maharishi University of Secretarial Science. Sit on the masters lap and take his dictation. Since 1960. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 21, 2006, at 11:06 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > Again: Were these qualities MMY got from mind-modeling > > > Guru Dev? > > > > He was a SECRETARY for christsakes--he just did what any good > > secretary does, anticipated the needs of his boss. Why do people > need > > to read some cosmic explanation into that? He learned to be an > > efficient secretary.>> > > > LMAO ! > What exactly is the word in Sanskrit in the Shankaraya tradition > for 'Secretary"??? > When Guru Dev wanted a note taken up the mountain to a distant Yogi > friend...did he say, "Call the Secretary"??? > ROFLMAO ! Well, the relationship was either cosmic or boss to secretary; there's nothing in between, you know. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 21, 2006, at 11:06 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > Again: Were these qualities MMY got from mind-modeling > > Guru Dev? > > He was a SECRETARY for christsakes--he just did what any good > secretary does, anticipated the needs of his boss. Why do people need > to read some cosmic explanation into that? He learned to be an > efficient secretary.>> LMAO ! What exactly is the word in Sanskrit in the Shankaraya tradition for 'Secretary"??? When Guru Dev wanted a note taken up the mountain to a distant Yogi friend...did he say, "Call the Secretary"??? ROFLMAO ! OffWorld. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
On Feb 21, 2006, at 1:13 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Feb 21, 2006, at 11:06 AM, authfriend wrote: Again: Were these qualities MMY got from mind-modeling Guru Dev? He was a SECRETARY for christsakes--he just did what any good secretary does, anticipated the needs of his boss. Why do people need to read some cosmic explanation into that? He learned to be an efficient secretary. Yeah, I guess you're right, Vaj. We're so lucky to have you here to shoot down our silly mood-making with your intimate knowledge of everything about MMY. After all, that's exactly how MMY himself has described his relationship with Guru Dev--he was just learning to be an efficient secretary: "It was in the deep functioning of my heart and mind, feeling and understanding, to just go in the direction he wanted me to go - this way or that way or that way or that way. Very precious activities sometimes I had to completely abandon because I thought his mind was going that way, and I adjusted myself to that and that. There was quite a period of tests, but somehow it happened that I just came through them all. Action I took as a means of communicating to him in order to be able to adjust to his thought - this way, this way. In very trifling things, this way, this way. So all the time adjusting to his feelings, thinking. "All that period of adjustment and readjustment and all the time this was the impulse of my life. On this I was living moving, breathing, eating, talking. All the time, every thought was in that--which way he wants? Which way he looks? What he likes? That was my direction, that was my thing--activity. I had to create an action to see his reaction, and when that was done, fine--I had to create the next action. Hardly he would ever have asked me to do anything. "I remember it took me about two and a half years to really adjust myself. Right from the beginning the whole purpose was to just breathe in his breath. This was my ideal. The whole purpose was just to attune myself with Guru Dev, and that was all that I wanted to do. "Fortunately it struck me that the only way to do this was to adjust my feelings with his feelings; how he thinks, what he wants me to do-- this, or this, or this--or he doesn't want me to do anything--but I want to move with his feelings. Whichever way he sees, I want to see that way; whichever way he wants to think, whatever, I want to think the same way. "And it took about two and a half years, and I thought two and a half years were wasted, but it came out to be quite early to adjust myself with his feelings. And the method that I adopted was just to sense what he wants at what time--what he wants. I picked up activity as a means to adjust to his thought, to his feelings. Something I would do, and that action was not so important for me. "The main thing was to see which way he wants me to go on that action. And whichever way I felt, I was going this way, maybe I took something to do and I was half way, and I was closely all the time watching which way he wants me to go. And I found he wants me to take a turn that way--I would immediately take a turn that way. "Just about two and a half years for my thoughts to be mainly flowing in tune with his--how much perfectly, there was no way to measure, but I knew I was making very, very rare mistakes; no mistakes almost. A"nd from there on for me the whole thing was very light and beautiful, no obstacles, clear, everything. Then I was living around him without even feeling that I was living. It's a very genuine feeling of complete oneness with Guru Dev, just like that. People who have seen me moving with Guru Dev know I was not as if in this isolated, single body or something. There was something of a universal value. "And what I did from my side was just on that first glimpse of the flashy light on him, the life was surrendered." (from "Thirty Years Around the World") Cosmic. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The interesting thing about this discussion is that > > > > according to MMY, he took this same path with Guru > > > > Dev of "attuning one's thinking to that of the teacher." > > > > > > > > If it's true that when you do this, you take on all > > > > the qualities of mind of the teacher, what does that > > > > say about the qualities of MMY's mind that are so > > > > often criticized here? > > > > > > Go back and read the discussion. > > > > No, I read the discussion already, thanks very much. > > > > > No one ever > > > suggested that it was an all-or-nothing process, > > > or that everyone is successful at modeling the > > > mind of their teacher. > > > > Perhaps you should read what *I* wrote. I never > > said anyone had ever suggested it was an all-or- > > nothing process or that everyone is successful > > at modeling the mind of their teacher. > > > > See that little squiggly thing at the end of what > > you quoted from my post? That's a question mark. > > > > The operative phrase in the question is, "What > > does that say about...?" > > > > But here's what you wrote (and snipped from your > > response): > > > >> "So IMO it's a good idea, from time to time, to take > >> a few steps back and really *examine* the mind that > >> you're trying to attune yourself to. Do you really > >> *want* all that you see there? Because you're going > >> to get it *all* as a result of the mind-modeling, > >> not just the parts you want." > > > > So, in fact, you not only suggested, you said > > explicitly that it was an "all-or-nothing" process. > > > > No wonder you carefully snipped the quote. > > > > Your *corrections* to your original statement in > > this reply are perfectly reasonable; they're > > exactly what I was attempting to elicit: It's not > > quite so cut-and-dried as you initially said. > > > > Why couldn't you just make those corrections, > > without prefacing them with the claim that I > > hadn't read what you wrote? > > > > I know that all I meant > > > to suggest is that it's something that one works > > > at over a long period of time -- years, or decades. > > > And not everyone is successful at doing it. > > > > > > I would suggest that Maharishi wasn't particularly > > > successful at doing it, since one of his first > > > actions after Guru Dev's death was to not obey > > > what he'd told him to do (that is, go into seclusion, > > > and not teach). > > > > > > In addition, the effects of mind-modeling only "last" > > > so long. After almost fifty years, I suspect that > > > Maharishi has had an opportunity to pick up a few > > > kinks of his own. :-) > > Judy, by now I suspect that almost everyone here > has figured out that the *only* reason you try to > get involved in discussions with me is to use them > as part of your ongoing crusade to put me down, > or to "win" the discussion in your mind, and/or > suggest that nothing I say is to be trusted. No, see, if you had just responded to the question, without trying to put *me* down for having asked it, that would have been the end of it. As I said, it was a perfectly reasonable response. But you couldn't just do that; you had to attack. I suspect almost everyone here has figured that out. > I hope that this quest brings you great pleasure. > Doing this with Vaj and myself and sometimes Paul > seems to be one of the only things in your life > that *does* bring you pleasure If you only knew, Barry. How *extremely* odd that you believe you know everything that goes on in my life on the basis of my posts. , so in the interest > of furthering joy in the universe I would not > interfere with it. > > On the other hand, there is nothing that says I > have to participate in it, so carry on all by > yourself. :-) > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > Judy, by now I suspect that almost everyone here > > > has figured out > > > > Gee, I haven't. I must be slow. > > No comment. :-) > > > But it is amusing when people feel the need to express the > > feelings of the group. If your points don't stand on their > > own merits, and/or your own personal endorsement, I fail > > to see how invoking your perception of group consensus helps. > > > > Btw, how is a perception of group consensus accuratly gained? > > If it was "obvious" -- that is 20-30 posts all in agreement > > of the point, then it would be, well "obvious". > > Hey dude...I used the word "suspect." That, in > my world, implies a suspicion, not a certainty. > > But thank you for the critique. In the future, > when I make sweeping generalizations involving > FFL, instead of using the words "almost everyone > here" I will say, "almost all human beings here > with a functioning brain." > > That way, you don't have to feel included. > > :-) :-) :-) You are so witty Barry. Half-man, half-wit. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > Judy, by now I suspect that almost everyone here > > has figured out > > Gee, I haven't. I must be slow. No comment. :-) > But it is amusing when people feel the need to express the > feelings of the group. If your points don't stand on their > own merits, and/or your own personal endorsement, I fail > to see how invoking your perception of group consensus helps. > > Btw, how is a perception of group consensus accuratly gained? > If it was "obvious" -- that is 20-30 posts all in agreement > of the point, then it would be, well "obvious". Hey dude...I used the word "suspect." That, in my world, implies a suspicion, not a certainty. But thank you for the critique. In the future, when I make sweeping generalizations involving FFL, instead of using the words "almost everyone here" I will say, "almost all human beings here with a functioning brain." That way, you don't have to feel included. :-) :-) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Judy, by now I suspect that almost everyone here > has figured out Gee, I haven't. I must be slow. But it is amusing when people feel the need to express the feelings of the group. If your points don't stand on their own merits, and/or your own personal endorsement, I fail to see how invoking your perception of group consensus helps. Btw, how is a perception of group consensus accuratly gained? If it was "obvious" -- that is 20-30 posts all in agreement of the point, then it would be, well "obvious". Without such overwheming explicit evidence, how do you draw such conclusions? Are you silently polling people behind the scenes? If so, cool. But hey, you forgot me. Well, maybe thats because you figure that I am slow. Well, I can't argue much on that one with you. Being a Dylan fan, I know you must like this verse, as do I: "...she knows too much to argue or to judge." > that the *only* reason you try > get involved in discussions with me is to use them > as part of your ongoing crusade to put me down, And you not only know what the group thinks, you have a deep understanding of Judy's inner world,psycho-dynamics and motivation. Wow, you ARE good! > I hope that this quest brings you great pleasure. And compassionate -- sincerely wishing Judy all happiness and pleasure. Omnicient and compassionate. You are truly a Saint. > Doing this with Vaj and myself and sometimes Paul > seems to be one of the only things in your life Well at least she is one pointed. > so in the interest > of furthering joy in the universe I would not > interfere with it. Wise move. > > On the other hand, there is nothing that says I > have to participate in it, or apparently anything of substance to say so carry on all by > yourself. :-) Thats all there IS. Or haven't you noticed? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
Careful what you say about pleasuring, remember this site became temporarily reclassified as an 'adult' site not so long ago. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The interesting thing about this discussion is that > > > > according to MMY, he took this same path with Guru > > > > Dev of "attuning one's thinking to that of the teacher." > > > > > > > > If it's true that when you do this, you take on all > > > > the qualities of mind of the teacher, what does that > > > > say about the qualities of MMY's mind that are so > > > > often criticized here? > > > > > > Go back and read the discussion. > > > > No, I read the discussion already, thanks very much. > > > > > No one ever > > > suggested that it was an all-or-nothing process, > > > or that everyone is successful at modeling the > > > mind of their teacher. > > > > Perhaps you should read what *I* wrote. I never > > said anyone had ever suggested it was an all-or- > > nothing process or that everyone is successful > > at modeling the mind of their teacher. > > > > See that little squiggly thing at the end of what > > you quoted from my post? That's a question mark. > > > > The operative phrase in the question is, "What > > does that say about...?" > > > > But here's what you wrote (and snipped from your > > response): > > > >> "So IMO it's a good idea, from time to time, to take > >> a few steps back and really *examine* the mind that > >> you're trying to attune yourself to. Do you really > >> *want* all that you see there? Because you're going > >> to get it *all* as a result of the mind-modeling, > >> not just the parts you want." > > > > So, in fact, you not only suggested, you said > > explicitly that it was an "all-or-nothing" process. > > > > No wonder you carefully snipped the quote. > > > > Your *corrections* to your original statement in > > this reply are perfectly reasonable; they're > > exactly what I was attempting to elicit: It's not > > quite so cut-and-dried as you initially said. > > > > Why couldn't you just make those corrections, > > without prefacing them with the claim that I > > hadn't read what you wrote? > > > > I know that all I meant > > > to suggest is that it's something that one works > > > at over a long period of time -- years, or decades. > > > And not everyone is successful at doing it. > > > > > > I would suggest that Maharishi wasn't particularly > > > successful at doing it, since one of his first > > > actions after Guru Dev's death was to not obey > > > what he'd told him to do (that is, go into seclusion, > > > and not teach). > > > > > > In addition, the effects of mind-modeling only "last" > > > so long. After almost fifty years, I suspect that > > > Maharishi has had an opportunity to pick up a few > > > kinks of his own. :-) > > Judy, by now I suspect that almost everyone here > has figured out that the *only* reason you try to > get involved in discussions with me is to use them > as part of your ongoing crusade to put me down, > or to "win" the discussion in your mind, and/or > suggest that nothing I say is to be trusted. > > I hope that this quest brings you great pleasure. > Doing this with Vaj and myself and sometimes Paul > seems to be one of the only things in your life > that *does* bring you pleasure, so in the interest > of furthering joy in the universe I would not > interfere with it. > > On the other hand, there is nothing that says I > have to participate in it, so carry on all by > yourself. :-) > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > The interesting thing about this discussion is that > > > according to MMY, he took this same path with Guru > > > Dev of "attuning one's thinking to that of the teacher." > > > > > > If it's true that when you do this, you take on all > > > the qualities of mind of the teacher, what does that > > > say about the qualities of MMY's mind that are so > > > often criticized here? > > > > Go back and read the discussion. > > No, I read the discussion already, thanks very much. > > > No one ever > > suggested that it was an all-or-nothing process, > > or that everyone is successful at modeling the > > mind of their teacher. > > Perhaps you should read what *I* wrote. I never > said anyone had ever suggested it was an all-or- > nothing process or that everyone is successful > at modeling the mind of their teacher. > > See that little squiggly thing at the end of what > you quoted from my post? That's a question mark. > > The operative phrase in the question is, "What > does that say about...?" > > But here's what you wrote (and snipped from your > response): > >> "So IMO it's a good idea, from time to time, to take >> a few steps back and really *examine* the mind that >> you're trying to attune yourself to. Do you really >> *want* all that you see there? Because you're going >> to get it *all* as a result of the mind-modeling, >> not just the parts you want." > > So, in fact, you not only suggested, you said > explicitly that it was an "all-or-nothing" process. > > No wonder you carefully snipped the quote. > > Your *corrections* to your original statement in > this reply are perfectly reasonable; they're > exactly what I was attempting to elicit: It's not > quite so cut-and-dried as you initially said. > > Why couldn't you just make those corrections, > without prefacing them with the claim that I > hadn't read what you wrote? > > I know that all I meant > > to suggest is that it's something that one works > > at over a long period of time -- years, or decades. > > And not everyone is successful at doing it. > > > > I would suggest that Maharishi wasn't particularly > > successful at doing it, since one of his first > > actions after Guru Dev's death was to not obey > > what he'd told him to do (that is, go into seclusion, > > and not teach). > > > > In addition, the effects of mind-modeling only "last" > > so long. After almost fifty years, I suspect that > > Maharishi has had an opportunity to pick up a few > > kinks of his own. :-) Judy, by now I suspect that almost everyone here has figured out that the *only* reason you try to get involved in discussions with me is to use them as part of your ongoing crusade to put me down, or to "win" the discussion in your mind, and/or suggest that nothing I say is to be trusted. I hope that this quest brings you great pleasure. Doing this with Vaj and myself and sometimes Paul seems to be one of the only things in your life that *does* bring you pleasure, so in the interest of furthering joy in the universe I would not interfere with it. On the other hand, there is nothing that says I have to participate in it, so carry on all by yourself. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
Clearly, MMY saw himself as more than just a secretary to Guru Dev. I quote a passage from 'Thirty Years Around the World':- 'I remember it took me about two and a half years to really adjust myself. Right from the beginning the whole purpose was to just breathe in his breath. This was my ideal. The whole purpose was just to attune myself with Guru Dev, and that was all that I wanted to do.' It is interesting to note that before becoming Shankaracharya Guru Dev is said to have been something of an administrator himself in that it is recorded that he set up the Shri Krishnanand Saraswati Trust, and established an ashram and Sanskrit school in Varanasi. For what it's worth, I came by a shortlist (seemingly anonymous) which surfaced in India some many years back, which makes comparison between MMY and Guru Dev:- 1. Both were the youngest in the Ashram. 2. Both were very intelligent and so loved their Masters above all even senior brahmacharis and sadhus. 3. Both managed ashram affairs and management beautifully and to the standard and wish of the masters. 4. Both progressed remarkably on the path of Yoga so the Masters were very pleased with them and loved them immensely. 5. Due to their quick progress several Asramites became jealous of them and complained to the masters at random meaning to turn them out of the ashram. 6. Both of them are the most brilliant and shining stars in the spiritual horizon of the world. 7. People from all walks of lives gathered around Guru Dev as they gather around Maharishi Ji now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 21, 2006, at 11:06 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > Again: Were these qualities MMY got from mind-modeling > > Guru Dev? > > He was a SECRETARY for christsakes--he just did what any good > secretary does, anticipated the needs of his boss. Why do people need > to read some cosmic explanation into that? He learned to be an > efficient secretary. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 21, 2006, at 11:06 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > Again: Were these qualities MMY got from mind-modeling > > Guru Dev? > > He was a SECRETARY for christsakes--he just did what any good > secretary does, anticipated the needs of his boss. Why do people > need to read some cosmic explanation into that? He learned to be > an efficient secretary. Yeah, I guess you're right, Vaj. We're so lucky to have you here to shoot down our silly mood-making with your intimate knowledge of everything about MMY. After all, that's exactly how MMY himself has described his relationship with Guru Dev--he was just learning to be an efficient secretary: "It was in the deep functioning of my heart and mind, feeling and understanding, to just go in the direction he wanted me to go - this way or that way or that way or that way. Very precious activities sometimes I had to completely abandon because I thought his mind was going that way, and I adjusted myself to that and that. There was quite a period of tests, but somehow it happened that I just came through them all. Action I took as a means of communicating to him in order to be able to adjust to his thought - this way, this way. In very trifling things, this way, this way. So all the time adjusting to his feelings, thinking. "All that period of adjustment and readjustment and all the time this was the impulse of my life. On this I was living moving, breathing, eating, talking. All the time, every thought was in that--which way he wants? Which way he looks? What he likes? That was my direction, that was my thing--activity. I had to create an action to see his reaction, and when that was done, fine--I had to create the next action. Hardly he would ever have asked me to do anything. "I remember it took me about two and a half years to really adjust myself. Right from the beginning the whole purpose was to just breathe in his breath. This was my ideal. The whole purpose was just to attune myself with Guru Dev, and that was all that I wanted to do. "Fortunately it struck me that the only way to do this was to adjust my feelings with his feelings; how he thinks, what he wants me to do-- this, or this, or this--or he doesn't want me to do anything--but I want to move with his feelings. Whichever way he sees, I want to see that way; whichever way he wants to think, whatever, I want to think the same way. "And it took about two and a half years, and I thought two and a half years were wasted, but it came out to be quite early to adjust myself with his feelings. And the method that I adopted was just to sense what he wants at what time--what he wants. I picked up activity as a means to adjust to his thought, to his feelings. Something I would do, and that action was not so important for me. "The main thing was to see which way he wants me to go on that action. And whichever way I felt, I was going this way, maybe I took something to do and I was half way, and I was closely all the time watching which way he wants me to go. And I found he wants me to take a turn that way--I would immediately take a turn that way. "Just about two and a half years for my thoughts to be mainly flowing in tune with his--how much perfectly, there was no way to measure, but I knew I was making very, very rare mistakes; no mistakes almost. A"nd from there on for me the whole thing was very light and beautiful, no obstacles, clear, everything. Then I was living around him without even feeling that I was living. It's a very genuine feeling of complete oneness with Guru Dev, just like that. People who have seen me moving with Guru Dev know I was not as if in this isolated, single body or something. There was something of a universal value. "And what I did from my side was just on that first glimpse of the flashy light on him, the life was surrendered." (from "Thirty Years Around the World") Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
Clearly, MMY saw himself as more than just a secretary to Guru Dev. I quote a passage from 'Thirty Years Around the World':- 'I remember it took me about two and a half years to really adjust myself. Right from the beginning the whole purpose was to just breathe in his breath. This was my ideal. The whole purpose was just to attune myself with Guru Dev, and that was all that I wanted to do.' It is interesting to note that before becoming Shankaracharya Guru Dev is said to have something of an administrator himself in that it is recorded that he set up the Shri Krishnanand Saraswati Trust, and established an ashram and Sanskrit school in Varanasi. For what it's worth, I came by a shortlist which surfaced in India some many years back, which makes comparison between MMY and Guru Dev (the author of which is unknown to me):- 1. Both were the youngest in the Ashram. 2. Both were very intelligent and so loved their Masters above all even senior brahmacharis and sadhus. 3. Both managed ashram affairs and management beautifully and to the standard and wish of the masters. 4. Both progressed remarkably on the path of Yoga so the Masters were very pleased with them and loved them immensely. 5. Due to their quick progress several Asramites became jealous of them and complained to the masters at random meaning to turn them out of the ashram. 6. Both of them are the most brilliant and shining stars in the spiritual horizon of the world. 7. People from all walks of lives gathered around Guru Dev as they gather around Maharishi Ji now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 21, 2006, at 11:06 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > Again: Were these qualities MMY got from mind-modeling > > Guru Dev? > > He was a SECRETARY for christsakes--he just did what any good > secretary does, anticipated the needs of his boss. Why do people need > to read some cosmic explanation into that? He learned to be an > efficient secretary. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
On Feb 21, 2006, at 11:06 AM, authfriend wrote:Again: Were these qualities MMY got from mind-modeling Guru Dev? He was a SECRETARY for christsakes--he just did what any good secretary does, anticipated the needs of his boss. Why do people need to read some cosmic explanation into that? He learned to be an efficient secretary. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > The interesting thing about this discussion is that > > according to MMY, he took this same path with Guru > > Dev of "attuning one's thinking to that of the teacher." > > > > If it's true that when you do this, you take on all > > the qualities of mind of the teacher, what does that > > say about the qualities of MMY's mind that are so > > often criticized here? > > Go back and read the discussion. No, I read the discussion already, thanks very much. No one ever > suggested that it was an all-or-nothing process, > or that everyone is successful at modeling the > mind of their teacher. Perhaps you should read what *I* wrote. I never said anyone had ever suggested it was an all-or- nothing process or that everyone is successful at modeling the mind of their teacher. See that little squiggly thing at the end of what you quoted from my post? That's a question mark. The operative phrase in the question is, "What does that say about...?" But here's what you wrote (and snipped from your response): "So IMO it's a good idea, from time to time, to take a few steps back and really *examine* the mind that you're trying to attune yourself to. Do you really *want* all that you see there? Because you're going to get it *all* as a result of the mind-modeling, not just the parts you want." So, in fact, you not only suggested, you said explicitly that it was an "all-or-nothing" process. No wonder you carefully snipped the quote. Your *corrections* to your original statement in this reply are perfectly reasonable; they're exactly what I was attempting to elicit: It's not quite so cut-and-dried as you initially said. Why couldn't you just make those corrections, without prefacing them with the claim that I hadn't read what you wrote? I know that all I meant > to suggest is that it's something that one works > at over a long period of time -- years, or decades. > And not everyone is successful at doing it. > > I would suggest that Maharishi wasn't particularly > successful at doing it, since one of his first > actions after Guru Dev's death was to not obey > what he'd told him to do (that is, go into seclusion, > and not teach). > > In addition, the effects of mind-modeling only "last" > so long. After almost fifty years, I suspect that > Maharishi has had an opportunity to pick up a few > kinks of his own. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 2/21/06 4:21 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > So IMO it's a good idea, from time to time, to take > > a few steps back and really *examine* the mind that > > you're trying to attune yourself to. Do you really > > *want* all that you see there? Because you're going > > to get it *all* as a result of the mind-modeling, > > not just the parts you want. > > It really works that way. Look at some of the top people > around Maharishi: chips off the old block. Brilliant > creative minds, tons of energy, grandiose ideas, a > conviction that they possess the key to saving the world, > problems with women and business ethics, a tendency to > treat individuals as dispensable commodities, etc. And in addition, these traits are superimposed onto these people's *existing* samskaras. The problem with mind-modeling is that for it to work really well, the mind that is attempting to model the mind of an enlightened being should theoretically be fairly clean to start with. If it is not, then you sometimes get a muddle. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
on 2/21/06 10:06 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> on 2/21/06 4:21 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>> So IMO it's a good idea, from time to time, to take >>> a few steps back and really *examine* the mind that >>> you're trying to attune yourself to. Do you really >>> *want* all that you see there? Because you're going >>> to get it *all* as a result of the mind-modeling, >>> not just the parts you want. >> >> It really works that way. Look at some of the top people around > Maharishi: >> chips off the old block. Brilliant creative minds, tons of energy, > grandiose >> ideas, a conviction that they possess the key to saving the world, > problems >> with women and business ethics, a tendency to treat individuals as >> dispensable commodities, etc. > > Again: Were these qualities MMY got from mind-modeling > Guru Dev? He seems to have changed a lot from the time he was with GD to the present. I guess influence works both ways. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The interesting thing about this discussion is that > according to MMY, he took this same path with Guru > Dev of "attuning one's thinking to that of the teacher." > > If it's true that when you do this, you take on all > the qualities of mind of the teacher, what does that > say about the qualities of MMY's mind that are so > often criticized here? Go back and read the discussion. No one ever suggested that it was an all-or-nothing process, or that everyone is successful at modeling the mind of their teacher. I know that all I meant to suggest is that it's something that one works at over a long period of time -- years, or decades. And not everyone is successful at doing it. I would suggest that Maharishi wasn't particularly successful at doing it, since one of his first actions after Guru Dev's death was to not obey what he'd told him to do (that is, go into seclusion, and not teach). In addition, the effects of mind-modeling only "last" so long. After almost fifty years, I suspect that Maharishi has had an opportunity to pick up a few kinks of his own. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
on 2/21/06 9:07 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> Are you going to tell them? It will be interesting to see if they > believe >> you. I think it would be healthy for most if they did, as I don't > believe >> that continually attuning one's "thinking" to that of someone who > is clearly >> out of whack can't be too healthy. > > That I really do agree with, most unhealthy and one of the things > that freaks me out about real "movement" people who think they can > win arguments by saying "Maharishi said it so it's true" I worry > about their sanity if the rumours are true but yes it will do them > good. I will definately start talking if I have definate proof. You probably won't ever find enough to stand up in a court of law. I know the names of about 6 or 7 of the women, and have spoken with 2 of them, neither of whom wants to be contacted by every bloke who wants to investigate the story. I've also spoken with half a dozen former "skin boys" (MMY's personal secretaries) who saw and heard enough to convince them. Some of them may be willing to chat with you. Rob McCutchean definitely would. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 2/21/06 4:21 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > So IMO it's a good idea, from time to time, to take > > a few steps back and really *examine* the mind that > > you're trying to attune yourself to. Do you really > > *want* all that you see there? Because you're going > > to get it *all* as a result of the mind-modeling, > > not just the parts you want. > > It really works that way. Look at some of the top people around Maharishi: > chips off the old block. Brilliant creative minds, tons of energy, grandiose > ideas, a conviction that they possess the key to saving the world, problems > with women and business ethics, a tendency to treat individuals as > dispensable commodities, etc. Again: Were these qualities MMY got from mind-modeling Guru Dev? > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
on 2/21/06 4:21 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > So IMO it's a good idea, from time to time, to take > a few steps back and really *examine* the mind that > you're trying to attune yourself to. Do you really > *want* all that you see there? Because you're going > to get it *all* as a result of the mind-modeling, > not just the parts you want. It really works that way. Look at some of the top people around Maharishi: chips off the old block. Brilliant creative minds, tons of energy, grandiose ideas, a conviction that they possess the key to saving the world, problems with women and business ethics, a tendency to treat individuals as dispensable commodities, etc. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > > > on 2/20/06 10:33 AM, hugheshugo at richardhughes103@ wrote: > > > > > > > I still think the truth is always clear though and I will be > > > > interested to see the expressions on my believer friends > > > > faces when they find out their guru, who they think speaks > > > > with the voice of god don't forget, is not as pure as they > > > > thought. > > > > > > Are you going to tell them? It will be interesting to see > > > if they believe you. I think it would be healthy for most > > > if they did, as I don't believe that continually attuning > > > one's "thinking" to that of someone who is clearly > > > out of whack can't be too healthy. > > > > Bingo. That's the real issue, for seekers. Whether > > it is told to them as part of an org's dogma or > > whether they bring the belief with them to the org, > > an important part of many spiritual trips is what > > I call "mind-modeling," what you referred to as > > "attuning one's thinking to the teacher." > > > > It's a powerful tool of self discovery, IMO one of > > the most powerful. But it's a two-edged sword. If > > the teacher whose mind you are attempting to attune > > yourself with has positive qualities, those qualities > > are enhanced in yourself as a result of that attune- > > ment. If the same teacher has a few lingering less- > > than-positive qualities, those will *also* be > > enhanced in the seeker. > > > > So IMO it's a good idea, from time to time, to take > > a few steps back and really *examine* the mind that > > you're trying to attune yourself to. Do you really > > *want* all that you see there? Because you're going > > to get it *all* as a result of the mind-modeling, > > not just the parts you want. > > > > Nicely put. > > I think there is a need among people of all religions to think they > are in contact with a higher power, that they alone know the truth. > The main problem with eastern techniques is that total devotion to > the guru is considered the fastest way to the top, OK if your man's > on the level but I have never been convinced enough with MMY. Maybe > I'm not the type, too independent for a lot of the TM folk I know. > > I've heard so many people say "Maharishi said it so it must be > true" about any ludicrous statement god it drives me nuts but you > can't reason someone out of something they weren't reasoned into so > I let them get on with it. (FWIW, I've *never* heard anybody say "Maharishi said it so it must be true.") The interesting thing about this discussion is that according to MMY, he took this same path with Guru Dev of "attuning one's thinking to that of the teacher." If it's true that when you do this, you take on all the qualities of mind of the teacher, what does that say about the qualities of MMY's mind that are so often criticized here? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > wrote: > > > > > > > > MMY speaks with the voice of God, you just don't like > > > > what the voice says! > > > > -God > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > In a way, that's what I found amusing about one recent > > > thread, in which (as I saw it) folks who thoroughly > > > believe that no one is the "doer" and that the universe > > > really does everything were nonetheless trying to > > > convince another person to change his behavior to > > > something they consider "better." > > > > Uh, no, that wasn't it at all. > > > > > Seems to me that if you believe that the universe does > > > everything, and that everything is perfect, you kinda > > > give up your right to bitch. :-) > > > > Uh, no, because it's the universe doing the bitching, > > so it's also perfect, as is what's being bitched about, > > as is your utter confusion on this point. > > Cool. I guess. :-) > > In the future, when addressing you, I'll assume > that I am addressing my comments to the all-knowing, > always-correct universe itself. That *is* what you've > always wanted, is it not? :-) Cute, but a non sequitur devised to avoid the point, given that I was responding to a statement from you prefaced with "If you believe..." In other words: *If you believe* that the universe does everything and that everything is perfect, you do *not* give up your right to bitch, because it's the universe doing the bitching, so it's also perfect, as is what's being bitched about, as is your utter confusion on this point. Get it now? I was addressing your confusion about the implications of a particular belief, not telling you that you should believe it too. You've made the same mistake with Michael. It's not the case that when someone explains a belief (or an experience) that therefore they must be trying to tell you your belief or experience is wrong and that you must believe or experience as they do. As Michael just pointed out, you take this kind of discussion *way* too personally. What you're entitled to take personally, however, are comments concerning your inability to understand what the belief in question actually involves. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "... but you can't reason someone out of something they weren't reasoned into.." Insightful phrasing Ð spot on. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
> > Yeah, but you've got to take alot of the blame yourself, my friend. > > This silliness has been going on for about 30 years now...and by > silliness I mean anything that is obviously, on the face of it, NOT > the basic teaching -- and promotion and promulgation of -- the TM > Program. All the silliness -- from political parties to > declarations about the CIA invading the TMO to selling 100s of MAPI > products to Vedic Vibration to praising dictators like Castro and > Marcos, etc. etc. -- has been going on for years and is so obviously > NOT connected with TM that you had to be a dense cult-groupie in > order to not see the forest for the trees. > > So why did it take you so long to smell the coffee, sucker? > > And now you are being self-righteously angry with MMY? > > HAHAHAHAHAH! You've waisted half your life devoted to a cult when > it was obvious that it was YOU who were off the program for the past > 25 years! Sucker! > > Didn't you hear the instructions during the 7-step program when you > learned TM? Didn't you understand the instructions that you didn't > have to believe in anything in order for it to work? Doesn't that > include NOT having to listen to, adhere to, BELIEVE in the ramblings > of a GURU? > > Wasn't it a hint when he weighed some Lebanese guy in gold and put a > goddamn CROWN on his head, for crissake Are you nuts to fall > for crap like that? > > And you kept on in the TMO after that? Goodness, that little plum > of foolhardiness was at least 5 years ago, wasn't it? > > Please, sir, take responsibility for your own life. > Oh I do and alwyas did, I've never been a believer actually and my defense has always been that you don't need to believe anything to do TM. Yes, I think most of it is crap, especially the crowns, but the TMo hides it from newbies you have to be involved for a while to find out whats going on! But why is it all so crap, for all the reasons you point out, when it could be so good? I stayed in the TMO because the academy I lived in was good, the food was excellent and the govs running it didn't give a damn as long as everyone had a good time. I still see no need for fraud and sexual misconduct I shall continue to get annoyed on other peoples behalf about that! PS I'm glad you the vedic placebo therapy is crap I thought I was unique in seeing through that! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > > > > > MMY speaks with the voice of God, you just don't like > > > what the voice says! > > > -God > > > > :-) > > > > In a way, that's what I found amusing about one recent > > thread, in which (as I saw it) folks who thoroughly > > believe that no one is the "doer" and that the universe > > really does everything were nonetheless trying to > > convince another person to change his behavior to > > something they consider "better." > > Uh, no, that wasn't it at all. > > > Seems to me that if you believe that the universe does > > everything, and that everything is perfect, you kinda > > give up your right to bitch. :-) > > Uh, no, because it's the universe doing the bitching, > so it's also perfect, as is what's being bitched about, > as is your utter confusion on this point. Cool. I guess. :-) In the future, when addressing you, I'll assume that I am addressing my comments to the all-knowing, always-correct universe itself. That *is* what you've always wanted, is it not? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > on 2/20/06 10:33 AM, hugheshugo at richardhughes103@ wrote: > > > > > I still think the truth is always clear though and I will be > > > interested to see the expressions on my believer friends > > > faces when they find out their guru, who they think speaks > > > with the voice of god don't forget, is not as pure as they > > > thought. > > > > Are you going to tell them? It will be interesting to see > > if they believe you. I think it would be healthy for most > > if they did, as I don't believe that continually attuning > > one's "thinking" to that of someone who is clearly > > out of whack can't be too healthy. > > Bingo. That's the real issue, for seekers. Whether > it is told to them as part of an org's dogma or > whether they bring the belief with them to the org, > an important part of many spiritual trips is what > I call "mind-modeling," what you referred to as > "attuning one's thinking to the teacher." > > It's a powerful tool of self discovery, IMO one of > the most powerful. But it's a two-edged sword. If > the teacher whose mind you are attempting to attune > yourself with has positive qualities, those qualities > are enhanced in yourself as a result of that attune- > ment. If the same teacher has a few lingering less- > than-positive qualities, those will *also* be > enhanced in the seeker. > > So IMO it's a good idea, from time to time, to take > a few steps back and really *examine* the mind that > you're trying to attune yourself to. Do you really > *want* all that you see there? Because you're going > to get it *all* as a result of the mind-modeling, > not just the parts you want. > Nicely put. I think there is a need among people of all religions to think they are in contact with a higher power, that they alone know the truth. The main problem with eastern techniques is that total devotion to the guru is considered the fastest way to the top, OK if your man's on the level but I have never been convinced enough with MMY. Maybe I'm not the type, too independent for a lot of the TM folk I know. I've heard so many people say "Maharishi said it so it must be true" about any ludicrous statement god it drives me nuts but you can't reason someone out of something they weren't reasoned into so I let them get on with it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 2/20/06 10:33 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I still think the truth is always clear though and I will be > > interested to see the expressions on my believer friends faces when > > they find out their guru, who they think speaks with the voice of god > > don't forget, is not as pure as they thought. > > Are you going to tell them? It will be interesting to see if they believe > you. I think it would be healthy for most if they did, as I don't believe > that continually attuning one's "thinking" to that of someone who is clearly > out of whack can't be too healthy. That I really do agree with, most unhealthy and one of the things that freaks me out about real "movement" people who think they can win arguments by saying "Maharishi said it so it's true" I worry about their sanity if the rumours are true but yes it will do them good. I will definately start talking if I have definate proof. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > > > MMY speaks with the voice of God, you just don't like > > what the voice says! > > -God > > :-) > > In a way, that's what I found amusing about one recent > thread, in which (as I saw it) folks who thoroughly > believe that no one is the "doer" and that the universe > really does everything were nonetheless trying to > convince another person to change his behavior to > something they consider "better." Uh, no, that wasn't it at all. > Seems to me that if you believe that the universe does > everything, and that everything is perfect, you kinda > give up your right to bitch. :-) Uh, no, because it's the universe doing the bitching, so it's also perfect, as is what's being bitched about, as is your utter confusion on this point. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante wrote: > > > > >> > If MMY is lying where does that leave his so called enlightenment? > > > > Is he worth understanding if he was sleeping with his disciples > > while claiming to be celibate? > > > > 1) did he lie? Thats what I would like to know! > 2) did he claim to be celebate during that time? Yes he has always claimed to be a monk > 3) did he ever claim to be fully enlightened? Everyone in the TMO is told from day one that MMY is fully enlightened and he has made no attempt to deny it, and there are plenty of oppurtunities, like the weekly press conference when J Hagelin gives his customary glowing tribute. I do think that the enlightened traditionally keep quiet about for modestys sake. Mind you a TM teacher told me that as well! > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > MMY speaks with the voice of God, you just don't like > what the voice says! > -God :-) In a way, that's what I found amusing about one recent thread, in which (as I saw it) folks who thoroughly believe that no one is the "doer" and that the universe really does everything were nonetheless trying to convince another person to change his behavior to something they consider "better." Seems to me that if you believe that the universe does everything, and that everything is perfect, you kinda give up your right to bitch. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 2/20/06 10:33 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I still think the truth is always clear though and I will be > > interested to see the expressions on my believer friends > > faces when they find out their guru, who they think speaks > > with the voice of god don't forget, is not as pure as they > > thought. > > Are you going to tell them? It will be interesting to see > if they believe you. I think it would be healthy for most > if they did, as I don't believe that continually attuning > one's "thinking" to that of someone who is clearly > out of whack can't be too healthy. Bingo. That's the real issue, for seekers. Whether it is told to them as part of an org's dogma or whether they bring the belief with them to the org, an important part of many spiritual trips is what I call "mind-modeling," what you referred to as "attuning one's thinking to the teacher." It's a powerful tool of self discovery, IMO one of the most powerful. But it's a two-edged sword. If the teacher whose mind you are attempting to attune yourself with has positive qualities, those qualities are enhanced in yourself as a result of that attune- ment. If the same teacher has a few lingering less- than-positive qualities, those will *also* be enhanced in the seeker. So IMO it's a good idea, from time to time, to take a few steps back and really *examine* the mind that you're trying to attune yourself to. Do you really *want* all that you see there? Because you're going to get it *all* as a result of the mind-modeling, not just the parts you want. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 2/20/06 10:33 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I still think the truth is always clear though and I will be > > interested to see the expressions on my believer friends faces when > > they find out their guru, who they think speaks with the voice of god > > don't forget, is not as pure as they thought. > > Are you going to tell them? It will be interesting to see if they believe > you. I think it would be healthy for most if they did, as I don't believe > that continually attuning one's "thinking" to that of someone who is clearly > out of whack can't be too healthy. > Do you think that most people in the world believe or would believe if they learned everything that she did or said that your current guru is "all there?" Why or why not? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Thanks I've just read the sadie files. very interesting. > > I think you've missed the point though, Maharishi claims to be a > celibate monk and was apparently sleeping with his disciples I can't > think of anything that undermines the TM movement more. What else > has he lied about, the maharishi effect? good fund raiser that. > Ayurveda? never worked for me but rakes in millions. > > I'm serious, it's more than a question of consenting adults, a lot > of people will have nervous breakdowns they are into this stuff so > much, they believe MMY speaks with the voice of god! And all the > time he was getting blow jobs of young girls too scared or awed to > know any better! > > > How can the truth not be black and white? > > Who is taller, me or my son? Define taller first. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > on 2/19/06 10:33 AM, hugheshugo at richardhughes103@ wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> on 2/19/06 7:11 AM, Vaj at vajranatha@ wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> On Feb 19, 2006, at 4:04 AM, Ron F wrote (quoting Deepak > Chopra): > > >>> > > "There was never any truth to stories about the maharishi's > > womanising. > > >>> > > >>> If any women are going to come forth with their stories, now > > > would be > > >>> the time. > > >> > > >> The only woman I know of who has said she's going to come > forward > > > is Judith > > >> B., who reportedly has written a book, but is waiting till MMY > > > dies to > > >> publish it. If she does do so, that may embolden others. > > > > > > If these stories are true where does that leave the TMO? > > > > > > Can Maharishi be enlightened and be sleeping with women? > > > > If he's still sleeping with them, he must be enlightened! > > > > > > Isn't deceit impossible in unity? > > > > Krishna pressured Arjuna into it. > > > > > > And the obvious abuse of trust this would involve! I would have > > > thought they would have come forward before, as surely the > lawsuit > > > would be worth billions? > > > > Probably not. They were consenting adults, although young. Some > did come > > forward tentatively - Linda Williams' story was told in a > newspaper article > > in S. Africa. But they was usually a pretty serious backlash from > TB's, so > > most decided to drop it and get on with their lives. > > > > > > Why would this person wait until MMY died before publishing? > Fear of > > > litigation perhaps? > > > > I don't know, but reportedly she says that she still loves > Maharishi and > > that it won't be a negative book - just a story of their > relationship. > > > > > > I want the Truth, whatever it is. > > > > Me too, and remember that the truth is not black and white. All > this does > > not mean that Maharishi isn't an extraordinary individual who has > made a > > significant contribution to the world and to our lives. > > > > For more, read the "Sexy Sadie" file in the files section. > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > > > > I doubt much will change. The only people in the > > > world who care about Maharishi are the long-term > > > TMers of the world. They already believe what they > > > believe, and nothing will change for them. And > > > nobody else gives a shit; to the world at large, > > > Maharishi is an irrelevancy. > > > > > > > > > > > To people who understand that MMY is a delivery system for Vedic > > knowledge, Maharishi is already an irrelevancy, as MMY himself > says: > > > > Global Press Conference, 1.2.06 > > How will the world be without Maharishi? > > > > MAHARISHI:It doesn`t matter. There is a phrase: > > `man is the > > master of his own destiny`. The destiny of every man > > doesn`t depend > > on the existence of Maharishi or his absence. Man is > > the master of > > his own destiny. Maharishi is showing a way. Who comes > > on the > > lighted way, he`ll get to the target, he`ll get to the > > goal of the > > way. Those who don`t they don`t, that`s all. Man has > > the choice. > > Education is so very limited today. > > > > Whether this generation understands the words of > > Maharishi or not, - > > those who will understand will be better off. They > > will be the > > masters of their own destiny. Others will remain > > slaves of > > circumstances and situations. Doesn`t matter, > > Maharishi`s message > > does not remain limited to his physical body. This is > > the message > > that was there before the body of Maharishi and it > > will remain there > > when the body of Maharishi will not come up. These > > (the question) > > are waste of thoughts. > > > > I think the point has been missed. > > If MMY is lying where does that leave his so called enlightenment? > > Is he worth understanding if he was sleeping with his disciples > while claiming to be celibate? > 1) did he lie? 2) did he claim to be celebate during that time? 3) did he ever claim to be fully enlightened? Concerning question 3, I've heard that he has commented that while he can cognize Brahman Consciousness, he can't cognize what it would be liketo live in a community where eveyrone was in Brahman Consciouisness. The ability to "cognize" a state of consciousness doesn't sound like he's claiming to be in that state, at least permanently. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
Better yet, let's send DOJ over to teach a residence course--ladies only. Sal On Feb 20, 2006, at 11:35 AM, Rick Archer wrote: on 2/20/06 10:33 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I still think the truth is always clear though and I will be > interested to see the expressions on my believer friends faces when > they find out their guru, who they think speaks with the voice of god > don't forget, is not as pure as they thought. Are you going to tell them?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > on 2/20/06 1:34 AM, hugheshugo at richardhughes103@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks I've just read the sadie files. very interesting. > > > > > > I think you've missed the point though, Maharishi claims to be a > > > celibate monk and was apparently sleeping with his disciples I > can't > > > think of anything that undermines the TM movement more. What else > > > has he lied about, the maharishi effect? good fund raiser that. > > > Ayurveda? never worked for me but rakes in millions. > > > > > > I'm serious, it's more than a question of consenting adults, a lot > > > of people will have nervous breakdowns they are into this stuff so > > > much, they believe MMY speaks with the voice of god! And all the > > > time he was getting blow jobs of young girls too scared or awed to > > > know any better! > > > > > > > > > How can the truth not be black and white? > > > > It never is. I share your questions and sentiments, but I've spent > enough > > time around Maharishi to know that he has many good qualities and is > > remarkable in many ways. Regardless of his behavior, he appeared to > me to be > > in a very high state of consciousness: his darshan was > transformative, his > > intellect brilliant, his energy extraordinary. When I was a new > meditator > > and hadn't met him yet, a friend was razzing me about Maharishi's > Rolls > > Royces. I responded that I didn't know about that, but that if the > benefits > > I was getting from TM were any indication of the man's worth, he > must be a > > remarkable man. I still assert that, although I have very little > doubt that > > the sexual allegations are true, that he's an unethical > businessman, etc. > > I'm not saying those things are acceptable; they detract from his > greatness, > > and are probably symptomatic of the underlying reasons why the TMO > has > > failed. Just that he's made a larger-than-life contribution to the > world > > despite his foibles. > > > > Well that I agree with, I have got a lot out of TM and I always > believed it to be a force for good in the world. But the more time > I've spent with the movement the more cynical I've got and thats a > shame as I used to be passionate about spreading the word. Not any > more. Yeah, but you've got to take alot of the blame yourself, my friend. This silliness has been going on for about 30 years now...and by silliness I mean anything that is obviously, on the face of it, NOT the basic teaching -- and promotion and promulgation of -- the TM Program. All the silliness -- from political parties to declarations about the CIA invading the TMO to selling 100s of MAPI products to Vedic Vibration to praising dictators like Castro and Marcos, etc. etc. -- has been going on for years and is so obviously NOT connected with TM that you had to be a dense cult-groupie in order to not see the forest for the trees. So why did it take you so long to smell the coffee, sucker? And now you are being self-righteously angry with MMY? HAHAHAHAHAH! You've waisted half your life devoted to a cult when it was obvious that it was YOU who were off the program for the past 25 years! Sucker! Didn't you hear the instructions during the 7-step program when you learned TM? Didn't you understand the instructions that you didn't have to believe in anything in order for it to work? Doesn't that include NOT having to listen to, adhere to, BELIEVE in the ramblings of a GURU? Wasn't it a hint when he weighed some Lebanese guy in gold and put a goddamn CROWN on his head, for crissake Are you nuts to fall for crap like that? And you kept on in the TMO after that? Goodness, that little plum of foolhardiness was at least 5 years ago, wasn't it? Please, sir, take responsibility for your own life. > > I think the term foibles is a bit too much of a forgiving term, If a > teacher at college etc seduces a student it is always abuse, of power > trust etc. I can see no difference here, I thinks it's worse > actually. The girls concerned may still love MMY but this is typical > of people in such a dysfunctional relationship. > > I still think the truth is always clear though and I will be > interested to see the expressions on my believer friends faces when > they find out their guru, who they think speaks with the voice of god > don't forget, is not as pure as they thought. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Gro
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- hugheshugo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > on 2/20/06 1:34 AM, hugheshugo at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks I've just read the sadie files. very > interesting. > > > > > > I think you've missed the point though, > Maharishi claims to be a > > > celibate monk and was apparently sleeping with > his disciples I > can't > > > think of anything that undermines the TM > movement more. What else > > > has he lied about, the maharishi effect? good > fund raiser that. > > > Ayurveda? never worked for me but rakes in > millions. > > > > > > I'm serious, it's more than a question of > consenting adults, a lot > > > of people will have nervous breakdowns they are > into this stuff so > > > much, they believe MMY speaks with the voice of > god! And all the > > > time he was getting blow jobs of young girls too > scared or awed to > > > know any better! > > > > > > > > > How can the truth not be black and white? > > > > It never is. I share your questions and > sentiments, but I've spent > enough > > time around Maharishi to know that he has many > good qualities and is > > remarkable in many ways. Regardless of his > behavior, he appeared to > me to be > > in a very high state of consciousness: his darshan > was > transformative, his > > intellect brilliant, his energy extraordinary. > When I was a new > meditator > > and hadn't met him yet, a friend was razzing me > about Maharishi's > Rolls > > Royces. I responded that I didn't know about that, > but that if the > benefits > > I was getting from TM were any indication of the > man's worth, he > must be a > > remarkable man. I still assert that, although I > have very little > doubt that > > the sexual allegations are true, that he's an > unethical > businessman, etc. > > I'm not saying those things are acceptable; they > detract from his > greatness, > > and are probably symptomatic of the underlying > reasons why the TMO > has > > failed. Just that he's made a larger-than-life > contribution to the > world > > despite his foibles. > > > > Well that I agree with, I have got a lot out of TM > and I always > believed it to be a force for good in the world. But > the more time > I've spent with the movement the more cynical I've > got and thats a > shame as I used to be passionate about spreading the > word. Not any > more. > > I think the term foibles is a bit too much of a > forgiving term, If a > teacher at college etc seduces a student it is > always abuse, of power > trust etc. I can see no difference here, I thinks > it's worse > actually. The girls concerned may still love MMY but > this is typical > of people in such a dysfunctional relationship. > > I still think the truth is always clear though and I > will be > interested to see the expressions on my believer > friends faces when > they find out their guru, who they think speaks with > the voice of god > don't forget, is not as pure as they thought MMY speaks with the voice of God, you just don't like what the voice says! -God > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and > poor with hope and healing > http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
on 2/20/06 10:33 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I still think the truth is always clear though and I will be > interested to see the expressions on my believer friends faces when > they find out their guru, who they think speaks with the voice of god > don't forget, is not as pure as they thought. Are you going to tell them? It will be interesting to see if they believe you. I think it would be healthy for most if they did, as I don't believe that continually attuning one's "thinking" to that of someone who is clearly out of whack can't be too healthy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 2/20/06 1:34 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Thanks I've just read the sadie files. very interesting. > > > > I think you've missed the point though, Maharishi claims to be a > > celibate monk and was apparently sleeping with his disciples I can't > > think of anything that undermines the TM movement more. What else > > has he lied about, the maharishi effect? good fund raiser that. > > Ayurveda? never worked for me but rakes in millions. > > > > I'm serious, it's more than a question of consenting adults, a lot > > of people will have nervous breakdowns they are into this stuff so > > much, they believe MMY speaks with the voice of god! And all the > > time he was getting blow jobs of young girls too scared or awed to > > know any better! > > > > > > How can the truth not be black and white? > > It never is. I share your questions and sentiments, but I've spent enough > time around Maharishi to know that he has many good qualities and is > remarkable in many ways. Regardless of his behavior, he appeared to me to be > in a very high state of consciousness: his darshan was transformative, his > intellect brilliant, his energy extraordinary. When I was a new meditator > and hadn't met him yet, a friend was razzing me about Maharishi's Rolls > Royces. I responded that I didn't know about that, but that if the benefits > I was getting from TM were any indication of the man's worth, he must be a > remarkable man. I still assert that, although I have very little doubt that > the sexual allegations are true, that he's an unethical businessman, etc. > I'm not saying those things are acceptable; they detract from his greatness, > and are probably symptomatic of the underlying reasons why the TMO has > failed. Just that he's made a larger-than-life contribution to the world > despite his foibles. > Well that I agree with, I have got a lot out of TM and I always believed it to be a force for good in the world. But the more time I've spent with the movement the more cynical I've got and thats a shame as I used to be passionate about spreading the word. Not any more. I think the term foibles is a bit too much of a forgiving term, If a teacher at college etc seduces a student it is always abuse, of power trust etc. I can see no difference here, I thinks it's worse actually. The girls concerned may still love MMY but this is typical of people in such a dysfunctional relationship. I still think the truth is always clear though and I will be interested to see the expressions on my believer friends faces when they find out their guru, who they think speaks with the voice of god don't forget, is not as pure as they thought. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
on 2/20/06 1:34 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Thanks I've just read the sadie files. very interesting. > > I think you've missed the point though, Maharishi claims to be a > celibate monk and was apparently sleeping with his disciples I can't > think of anything that undermines the TM movement more. What else > has he lied about, the maharishi effect? good fund raiser that. > Ayurveda? never worked for me but rakes in millions. > > I'm serious, it's more than a question of consenting adults, a lot > of people will have nervous breakdowns they are into this stuff so > much, they believe MMY speaks with the voice of god! And all the > time he was getting blow jobs of young girls too scared or awed to > know any better! > > > How can the truth not be black and white? It never is. I share your questions and sentiments, but I've spent enough time around Maharishi to know that he has many good qualities and is remarkable in many ways. Regardless of his behavior, he appeared to me to be in a very high state of consciousness: his darshan was transformative, his intellect brilliant, his energy extraordinary. When I was a new meditator and hadn't met him yet, a friend was razzing me about Maharishi's Rolls Royces. I responded that I didn't know about that, but that if the benefits I was getting from TM were any indication of the man's worth, he must be a remarkable man. I still assert that, although I have very little doubt that the sexual allegations are true, that he's an unethical businessman, etc. I'm not saying those things are acceptable; they detract from his greatness, and are probably symptomatic of the underlying reasons why the TMO has failed. Just that he's made a larger-than-life contribution to the world despite his foibles. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
Thanks I've just read the sadie files. very interesting. I think you've missed the point though, Maharishi claims to be a celibate monk and was apparently sleeping with his disciples I can't think of anything that undermines the TM movement more. What else has he lied about, the maharishi effect? good fund raiser that. Ayurveda? never worked for me but rakes in millions. I'm serious, it's more than a question of consenting adults, a lot of people will have nervous breakdowns they are into this stuff so much, they believe MMY speaks with the voice of god! And all the time he was getting blow jobs of young girls too scared or awed to know any better! How can the truth not be black and white? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 2/19/06 10:33 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > >> > >> on 2/19/06 7:11 AM, Vaj at vajranatha@ wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> On Feb 19, 2006, at 4:04 AM, Ron F wrote (quoting Deepak Chopra): > >>> > "There was never any truth to stories about the maharishi's > womanising. > >>> > >>> If any women are going to come forth with their stories, now > > would be > >>> the time. > >> > >> The only woman I know of who has said she's going to come forward > > is Judith > >> B., who reportedly has written a book, but is waiting till MMY > > dies to > >> publish it. If she does do so, that may embolden others. > > > > If these stories are true where does that leave the TMO? > > > > Can Maharishi be enlightened and be sleeping with women? > > If he's still sleeping with them, he must be enlightened! > > > > Isn't deceit impossible in unity? > > Krishna pressured Arjuna into it. > > > > And the obvious abuse of trust this would involve! I would have > > thought they would have come forward before, as surely the lawsuit > > would be worth billions? > > Probably not. They were consenting adults, although young. Some did come > forward tentatively - Linda Williams' story was told in a newspaper article > in S. Africa. But they was usually a pretty serious backlash from TB's, so > most decided to drop it and get on with their lives. > > > > Why would this person wait until MMY died before publishing? Fear of > > litigation perhaps? > > I don't know, but reportedly she says that she still loves Maharishi and > that it won't be a negative book - just a story of their relationship. > > > > I want the Truth, whatever it is. > > Me too, and remember that the truth is not black and white. All this does > not mean that Maharishi isn't an extraordinary individual who has made a > significant contribution to the world and to our lives. > > For more, read the "Sexy Sadie" file in the files section. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > I doubt much will change. The only people in the > > world who care about Maharishi are the long-term > > TMers of the world. They already believe what they > > believe, and nothing will change for them. And > > nobody else gives a shit; to the world at large, > > Maharishi is an irrelevancy. > > > > > > To people who understand that MMY is a delivery system for Vedic > knowledge, Maharishi is already an irrelevancy, as MMY himself says: > > Global Press Conference, 1.2.06 > How will the world be without Maharishi? > > MAHARISHI:It doesn`t matter. There is a phrase: > `man is the > master of his own destiny`. The destiny of every man > doesn`t depend > on the existence of Maharishi or his absence. Man is > the master of > his own destiny. Maharishi is showing a way. Who comes > on the > lighted way, he`ll get to the target, he`ll get to the > goal of the > way. Those who don`t they don`t, that`s all. Man has > the choice. > Education is so very limited today. > > Whether this generation understands the words of > Maharishi or not, - > those who will understand will be better off. They > will be the > masters of their own destiny. Others will remain > slaves of > circumstances and situations. Doesn`t matter, > Maharishi`s message > does not remain limited to his physical body. This is > the message > that was there before the body of Maharishi and it > will remain there > when the body of Maharishi will not come up. These > (the question) > are waste of thoughts. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > I doubt much will change. The only people in the > > world who care about Maharishi are the long-term > > TMers of the world. They already believe what they > > believe, and nothing will change for them. And > > nobody else gives a shit; to the world at large, > > Maharishi is an irrelevancy. > > > > > > To people who understand that MMY is a delivery system for Vedic > knowledge, Maharishi is already an irrelevancy, as MMY himself says: > > Global Press Conference, 1.2.06 > How will the world be without Maharishi? > > MAHARISHI:It doesn`t matter. There is a phrase: > `man is the > master of his own destiny`. The destiny of every man > doesn`t depend > on the existence of Maharishi or his absence. Man is > the master of > his own destiny. Maharishi is showing a way. Who comes > on the > lighted way, he`ll get to the target, he`ll get to the > goal of the > way. Those who don`t they don`t, that`s all. Man has > the choice. > Education is so very limited today. > > Whether this generation understands the words of > Maharishi or not, - > those who will understand will be better off. They > will be the > masters of their own destiny. Others will remain > slaves of > circumstances and situations. Doesn`t matter, > Maharishi`s message > does not remain limited to his physical body. This is > the message > that was there before the body of Maharishi and it > will remain there > when the body of Maharishi will not come up. These > (the question) > are waste of thoughts. > I think the point has been missed. If MMY is lying where does that leave his so called enlightenment? Is he worth understanding if he was sleeping with his disciples while claiming to be celibate? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 19, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > It seems like this recent story from "Deepak" may be advance > > preparation for > > buttressing that denial. It's an attempt to rewrite the story of > > why the > > Beatles left Rishikesh so as to shift all blame from MMY to them and > > discredit the womanizing story. > > > Yep. Polish the past for a nice imaginary image for posterity. > And Deepak is doing this because... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 2/19/06 1:49 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > And what would Deepak's motivation be in defending MMY and the TMO? > > I have no idea. Who knows when he even uttered this quote? If it was recent, > then I guess he's just expressing his experience and opinion. Doesn't need > some overarching motivation. > But you were the one hinting at some conspiracy involving the alleged quote by Deepak. If there's a conspiracy, then there, is, by definition, motivation... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 2/19/06 10:56 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > >> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > >> wrote: > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > >>> wrote: > > The only woman I know of who has said she's going to come > forward is Judith B., who reportedly has written a book, > but is waiting till MMY dies to publish it. If she does > do so, that may embolden others. > >>> > >>> If these stories are true where does that leave the TMO? > >> > >> I doubt much will change. The only people in the > >> world who care about Maharishi are the long-term > >> TMers of the world. They already believe what they > >> believe, and nothing will change for them. And > >> nobody else gives a shit; to the world at large, > >> Maharishi is an irrelevancy. > > > > Yes this is true, the rest of the world will laugh at us for being > > taken in for so long. (I kept an open mind as you never know) > > > > Mind you, I used to work in the TM press office when one of these > > stories came out and people were reaally upset, A lot of people have > > huge amounts of their life mixed up in this it will be a disaster > > for them if true. Huge denial on the way I think. > > It seems like this recent story from "Deepak" may be advance preparation for > buttressing that denial. It's an attempt to rewrite the story of why the > Beatles left Rishikesh so as to shift all blame from MMY to them and > discredit the womanizing story. > So Deepak is still working for the TMO at some level? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I doubt much will change. The only people in the > world who care about Maharishi are the long-term > TMers of the world. They already believe what they > believe, and nothing will change for them. And > nobody else gives a shit; to the world at large, > Maharishi is an irrelevancy. > To people who understand that MMY is a delivery system for Vedic knowledge, Maharishi is already an irrelevancy, as MMY himself says: Global Press Conference, 1.2.06 How will the world be without Maharishi? MAHARISHI:It doesn`t matter. There is a phrase: `man is the master of his own destiny`. The destiny of every man doesn`t depend on the existence of Maharishi or his absence. Man is the master of his own destiny. Maharishi is showing a way. Who comes on the lighted way, he`ll get to the target, he`ll get to the goal of the way. Those who don`t they don`t, that`s all. Man has the choice. Education is so very limited today. Whether this generation understands the words of Maharishi or not, - those who will understand will be better off. They will be the masters of their own destiny. Others will remain slaves of circumstances and situations. Doesn`t matter, Maharishi`s message does not remain limited to his physical body. This is the message that was there before the body of Maharishi and it will remain there when the body of Maharishi will not come up. These (the question) are waste of thoughts. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Other than a few people on FF Life and maybe some Beatle-ologists, who > actually cares about any of this stuff? I think probably nearly no one > at all. I find that, in general, most people, including long-time > spiritual aspirants, have gotten so jaded and so desensitized to most > of what goes on in the world, that little attention is paid to most of > this blather. > > When you can worry about whether Tom and Katie have broken up, whether > Jude Law is really having a torrid relationship with Jessica (who is > really ugly) Simpson, This is the most astute observation I've seen in a long time. How this woman became an icon of beauty I'll never know... > and when you can be SOO happy that Kirstie Ally > lost 55 pounds by eating frozen food, who cares about Deepak Chopra > and the Maharishi? > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" > wrote: > > > > Actually, it is probably as someone has already suggested, that > > Deepak is positioning himself as the authority on MMY. He is alleged > > to have claimed that MMY offered him leadership of the movement, > > possibly by raising a bit of controversy he hopes that some attention > > might come his way. > > But more likely is that he has just got confused, but the result is > > still that he will get greater media attention. The only problem for > > him is that it might backlash on him, for there are greater > > authorities than him, when it comes to The Beatles. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" > > wrote: > > > > > > Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey! > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > on 2/19/06 10:56 AM, hugheshugo at richardhughes103@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The only woman I know of who has said she's going to come > > > > > forward is Judith B., who reportedly has written a book, > > > > > but is waiting till MMY dies to publish it. If she does > > > > > do so, that may embolden others. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> If these stories are true where does that leave the TMO? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I doubt much will change. The only people in the > > > > > >> world who care about Maharishi are the long-term > > > > > >> TMers of the world. They already believe what they > > > > > >> believe, and nothing will change for them. And > > > > > >> nobody else gives a shit; to the world at large, > > > > > >> Maharishi is an irrelevancy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes this is true, the rest of the world will laugh at us for > > > > being > > > > > > taken in for so long. (I kept an open mind as you never know) > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind you, I used to work in the TM press office when one of > > > these > > > > > > stories came out and people were reaally upset, A lot of > > people > > > > have > > > > > > huge amounts of their life mixed up in this it will be a > > > disaster > > > > > > for them if true. Huge denial on the way I think. > > > > > > > > > > It seems like this recent story from "Deepak" may be advance > > > > preparation for > > > > > buttressing that denial. It's an attempt to rewrite the story > > of > > > > why the > > > > > Beatles left Rishikesh so as to shift all blame from MMY to > > them > > > > and > > > > > discredit the womanizing story. > > > > > > > > > > > > > And what would Deepak's motivation be in defending MMY and the > > TMO? > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Everybody's got something to hide except for me and > my monkey! And I've heard some stories about that monkey that would curl your toes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
Yes and no. It all depends how the topic surfaces. Actually, The Beatles are still a name to conjure with and many still remember their going to India. So if 'revelations' are projected carefully enough, they can still arouse a lot of interest. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Other than a few people on FF Life and maybe some Beatle-ologists, who > actually cares about any of this stuff? I think probably nearly no one > at all. I find that, in general, most people, including long-time > spiritual aspirants, have gotten so jaded and so desensitized to most > of what goes on in the world, that little attention is paid to most of > this blather. > > When you can worry about whether Tom and Katie have broken up, whether > Jude Law is really having a torrid relationship with Jessica (who is > really ugly) Simpson, and when you can be SOO happy that Kirstie Ally > lost 55 pounds by eating frozen food, who cares about Deepak Chopra > and the Maharishi? > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" > wrote: > > > > Actually, it is probably as someone has already suggested, that > > Deepak is positioning himself as the authority on MMY. He is alleged > > to have claimed that MMY offered him leadership of the movement, > > possibly by raising a bit of controversy he hopes that some attention > > might come his way. > > But more likely is that he has just got confused, but the result is > > still that he will get greater media attention. The only problem for > > him is that it might backlash on him, for there are greater > > authorities than him, when it comes to The Beatles. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" > > wrote: > > > > > > Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey! > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > on 2/19/06 10:56 AM, hugheshugo at richardhughes103@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The only woman I know of who has said she's going to come > > > > > forward is Judith B., who reportedly has written a book, > > > > > but is waiting till MMY dies to publish it. If she does > > > > > do so, that may embolden others. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> If these stories are true where does that leave the TMO? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I doubt much will change. The only people in the > > > > > >> world who care about Maharishi are the long-term > > > > > >> TMers of the world. They already believe what they > > > > > >> believe, and nothing will change for them. And > > > > > >> nobody else gives a shit; to the world at large, > > > > > >> Maharishi is an irrelevancy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes this is true, the rest of the world will laugh at us for > > > > being > > > > > > taken in for so long. (I kept an open mind as you never know) > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind you, I used to work in the TM press office when one of > > > these > > > > > > stories came out and people were reaally upset, A lot of > > people > > > > have > > > > > > huge amounts of their life mixed up in this it will be a > > > disaster > > > > > > for them if true. Huge denial on the way I think. > > > > > > > > > > It seems like this recent story from "Deepak" may be advance > > > > preparation for > > > > > buttressing that denial. It's an attempt to rewrite the story > > of > > > > why the > > > > > Beatles left Rishikesh so as to shift all blame from MMY to > > them > > > > and > > > > > discredit the womanizing story. > > > > > > > > > > > > > And what would Deepak's motivation be in defending MMY and the > > TMO? > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
Other than a few people on FF Life and maybe some Beatle-ologists, who actually cares about any of this stuff? I think probably nearly no one at all. I find that, in general, most people, including long-time spiritual aspirants, have gotten so jaded and so desensitized to most of what goes on in the world, that little attention is paid to most of this blather. When you can worry about whether Tom and Katie have broken up, whether Jude Law is really having a torrid relationship with Jessica (who is really ugly) Simpson, and when you can be SOO happy that Kirstie Ally lost 55 pounds by eating frozen food, who cares about Deepak Chopra and the Maharishi? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually, it is probably as someone has already suggested, that > Deepak is positioning himself as the authority on MMY. He is alleged > to have claimed that MMY offered him leadership of the movement, > possibly by raising a bit of controversy he hopes that some attention > might come his way. > But more likely is that he has just got confused, but the result is > still that he will get greater media attention. The only problem for > him is that it might backlash on him, for there are greater > authorities than him, when it comes to The Beatles. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" > wrote: > > > > Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey! > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > on 2/19/06 10:56 AM, hugheshugo at richardhughes103@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > > > > The only woman I know of who has said she's going to come > > > > forward is Judith B., who reportedly has written a book, > > > > but is waiting till MMY dies to publish it. If she does > > > > do so, that may embolden others. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> If these stories are true where does that leave the TMO? > > > > >> > > > > >> I doubt much will change. The only people in the > > > > >> world who care about Maharishi are the long-term > > > > >> TMers of the world. They already believe what they > > > > >> believe, and nothing will change for them. And > > > > >> nobody else gives a shit; to the world at large, > > > > >> Maharishi is an irrelevancy. > > > > > > > > > > Yes this is true, the rest of the world will laugh at us for > > > being > > > > > taken in for so long. (I kept an open mind as you never know) > > > > > > > > > > Mind you, I used to work in the TM press office when one of > > these > > > > > stories came out and people were reaally upset, A lot of > people > > > have > > > > > huge amounts of their life mixed up in this it will be a > > disaster > > > > > for them if true. Huge denial on the way I think. > > > > > > > > It seems like this recent story from "Deepak" may be advance > > > preparation for > > > > buttressing that denial. It's an attempt to rewrite the story > of > > > why the > > > > Beatles left Rishikesh so as to shift all blame from MMY to > them > > > and > > > > discredit the womanizing story. > > > > > > > > > > And what would Deepak's motivation be in defending MMY and the > TMO? > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 2/19/06 12:07 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Feb 19, 2006, at 4:04 AM, Ron F wrote (quoting Deepak Chopra): > >> > >>> "There was never any truth to stories about the maharishi's > >>> womanising. > >> > >> If any women are going to come forth with their stories, now would > > be > >> the time. > >> > > > > Nah, that won't cut it. > > > > Nothing less than a stained blue dress will be definitive...heck, even > > Mia Farrow is confused about the incident AND SHE WAS THERE. > > That's because her "incident" lasted about 30 seconds before she bolted. > Other incidents were much less ambiguous. I am guessing Bill's incident with the Blue Dress may have only lasted 30 seconds. Two-minutes tops. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
On Feb 19, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Rick Archer wrote:It seems like this recent story from "Deepak" may be advance preparation for buttressing that denial. It's an attempt to rewrite the story of why the Beatles left Rishikesh so as to shift all blame from MMY to them and discredit the womanizing story. Yep. Polish the past for a nice imaginary image for posterity. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually, it is probably as someone has already suggested, that > Deepak is positioning himself as the authority on MMY. He is > alleged to have claimed that MMY offered him leadership of the > movement, > possibly by raising a bit of controversy he hopes that some > attention might come his way. > But more likely is that he has just got confused, but the > result is still that he will get greater media attention. > The only problem for him is that it might backlash on him, > for there are greater authorities than him, when it comes > to The Beatles. Bingo. As I pointed out earlier, Chopra has released six books or CDs in the last few months, none of which are selling particularly well. He has announced six more that will be released in the next few months. Sounds like an attempt to get himself into the press columns to me. And interestingly he's doing it by doing the *same* way that Maharishi did, by trading on the Beatles' fame. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
on 2/19/06 1:49 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > And what would Deepak's motivation be in defending MMY and the TMO? I have no idea. Who knows when he even uttered this quote? If it was recent, then I guess he's just expressing his experience and opinion. Doesn't need some overarching motivation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
Actually, it is probably as someone has already suggested, that Deepak is positioning himself as the authority on MMY. He is alleged to have claimed that MMY offered him leadership of the movement, possibly by raising a bit of controversy he hopes that some attention might come his way. But more likely is that he has just got confused, but the result is still that he will get greater media attention. The only problem for him is that it might backlash on him, for there are greater authorities than him, when it comes to The Beatles. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey! > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > > > > > > on 2/19/06 10:56 AM, hugheshugo at richardhughes103@ wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > > > >> wrote: > > > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > > The only woman I know of who has said she's going to come > > > forward is Judith B., who reportedly has written a book, > > > but is waiting till MMY dies to publish it. If she does > > > do so, that may embolden others. > > > >>> > > > >>> If these stories are true where does that leave the TMO? > > > >> > > > >> I doubt much will change. The only people in the > > > >> world who care about Maharishi are the long-term > > > >> TMers of the world. They already believe what they > > > >> believe, and nothing will change for them. And > > > >> nobody else gives a shit; to the world at large, > > > >> Maharishi is an irrelevancy. > > > > > > > > Yes this is true, the rest of the world will laugh at us for > > being > > > > taken in for so long. (I kept an open mind as you never know) > > > > > > > > Mind you, I used to work in the TM press office when one of > these > > > > stories came out and people were reaally upset, A lot of people > > have > > > > huge amounts of their life mixed up in this it will be a > disaster > > > > for them if true. Huge denial on the way I think. > > > > > > It seems like this recent story from "Deepak" may be advance > > preparation for > > > buttressing that denial. It's an attempt to rewrite the story of > > why the > > > Beatles left Rishikesh so as to shift all blame from MMY to them > > and > > > discredit the womanizing story. > > > > > > > And what would Deepak's motivation be in defending MMY and the TMO? > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > on 2/19/06 10:56 AM, hugheshugo at richardhughes103@ wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > > >> wrote: > > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > >>> wrote: > > > > The only woman I know of who has said she's going to come > > forward is Judith B., who reportedly has written a book, > > but is waiting till MMY dies to publish it. If she does > > do so, that may embolden others. > > >>> > > >>> If these stories are true where does that leave the TMO? > > >> > > >> I doubt much will change. The only people in the > > >> world who care about Maharishi are the long-term > > >> TMers of the world. They already believe what they > > >> believe, and nothing will change for them. And > > >> nobody else gives a shit; to the world at large, > > >> Maharishi is an irrelevancy. > > > > > > Yes this is true, the rest of the world will laugh at us for > being > > > taken in for so long. (I kept an open mind as you never know) > > > > > > Mind you, I used to work in the TM press office when one of these > > > stories came out and people were reaally upset, A lot of people > have > > > huge amounts of their life mixed up in this it will be a disaster > > > for them if true. Huge denial on the way I think. > > > > It seems like this recent story from "Deepak" may be advance > preparation for > > buttressing that denial. It's an attempt to rewrite the story of > why the > > Beatles left Rishikesh so as to shift all blame from MMY to them > and > > discredit the womanizing story. > > > > And what would Deepak's motivation be in defending MMY and the TMO? > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 2/19/06 10:56 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > >> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > >> wrote: > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > >>> wrote: > > The only woman I know of who has said she's going to come > forward is Judith B., who reportedly has written a book, > but is waiting till MMY dies to publish it. If she does > do so, that may embolden others. > >>> > >>> If these stories are true where does that leave the TMO? > >> > >> I doubt much will change. The only people in the > >> world who care about Maharishi are the long-term > >> TMers of the world. They already believe what they > >> believe, and nothing will change for them. And > >> nobody else gives a shit; to the world at large, > >> Maharishi is an irrelevancy. > > > > Yes this is true, the rest of the world will laugh at us for being > > taken in for so long. (I kept an open mind as you never know) > > > > Mind you, I used to work in the TM press office when one of these > > stories came out and people were reaally upset, A lot of people have > > huge amounts of their life mixed up in this it will be a disaster > > for them if true. Huge denial on the way I think. > > It seems like this recent story from "Deepak" may be advance preparation for > buttressing that denial. It's an attempt to rewrite the story of why the > Beatles left Rishikesh so as to shift all blame from MMY to them and > discredit the womanizing story. > And what would Deepak's motivation be in defending MMY and the TMO? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 2/19/06 10:56 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > >> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > >> wrote: > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > >>> wrote: > > The only woman I know of who has said she's going to come > forward is Judith B., who reportedly has written a book, > but is waiting till MMY dies to publish it. If she does > do so, that may embolden others. > >>> > >>> If these stories are true where does that leave the TMO? > >> > >> I doubt much will change. The only people in the > >> world who care about Maharishi are the long-term > >> TMers of the world. They already believe what they > >> believe, and nothing will change for them. And > >> nobody else gives a shit; to the world at large, > >> Maharishi is an irrelevancy. > > > > Yes this is true, the rest of the world will laugh at us for being > > taken in for so long. (I kept an open mind as you never know) > > > > Mind you, I used to work in the TM press office when one of these > > stories came out and people were reaally upset, A lot of people have > > huge amounts of their life mixed up in this it will be a disaster > > for them if true. Huge denial on the way I think. > > It seems like this recent story from "Deepak" may be advance preparation for > buttressing that denial. It's an attempt to rewrite the story of why the > Beatles left Rishikesh so as to shift all blame from MMY to them and > discredit the womanizing story. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
on 2/19/06 12:07 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> On Feb 19, 2006, at 4:04 AM, Ron F wrote (quoting Deepak Chopra): >> >>> "There was never any truth to stories about the maharishi's >>> womanising. >> >> If any women are going to come forth with their stories, now would > be >> the time. >> > > Nah, that won't cut it. > > Nothing less than a stained blue dress will be definitive...heck, even > Mia Farrow is confused about the incident AND SHE WAS THERE. That's because her "incident" lasted about 30 seconds before she bolted. Other incidents were much less ambiguous. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
on 2/19/06 10:56 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" >> wrote: >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer >>> wrote: The only woman I know of who has said she's going to come forward is Judith B., who reportedly has written a book, but is waiting till MMY dies to publish it. If she does do so, that may embolden others. >>> >>> If these stories are true where does that leave the TMO? >> >> I doubt much will change. The only people in the >> world who care about Maharishi are the long-term >> TMers of the world. They already believe what they >> believe, and nothing will change for them. And >> nobody else gives a shit; to the world at large, >> Maharishi is an irrelevancy. > > Yes this is true, the rest of the world will laugh at us for being > taken in for so long. (I kept an open mind as you never know) > > Mind you, I used to work in the TM press office when one of these > stories came out and people were reaally upset, A lot of people have > huge amounts of their life mixed up in this it will be a disaster > for them if true. Huge denial on the way I think. It seems like this recent story from "Deepak" may be advance preparation for buttressing that denial. It's an attempt to rewrite the story of why the Beatles left Rishikesh so as to shift all blame from MMY to them and discredit the womanizing story. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
on 2/19/06 10:33 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> on 2/19/06 7:11 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> >>> On Feb 19, 2006, at 4:04 AM, Ron F wrote (quoting Deepak Chopra): >>> "There was never any truth to stories about the maharishi's womanising. >>> >>> If any women are going to come forth with their stories, now > would be >>> the time. >> >> The only woman I know of who has said she's going to come forward > is Judith >> B., who reportedly has written a book, but is waiting till MMY > dies to >> publish it. If she does do so, that may embolden others. > > If these stories are true where does that leave the TMO? > > Can Maharishi be enlightened and be sleeping with women? If he's still sleeping with them, he must be enlightened! > > Isn't deceit impossible in unity? Krishna pressured Arjuna into it. > > And the obvious abuse of trust this would involve! I would have > thought they would have come forward before, as surely the lawsuit > would be worth billions? Probably not. They were consenting adults, although young. Some did come forward tentatively - Linda Williams' story was told in a newspaper article in S. Africa. But they was usually a pretty serious backlash from TB's, so most decided to drop it and get on with their lives. > > Why would this person wait until MMY died before publishing? Fear of > litigation perhaps? I don't know, but reportedly she says that she still loves Maharishi and that it won't be a negative book - just a story of their relationship. > > I want the Truth, whatever it is. Me too, and remember that the truth is not black and white. All this does not mean that Maharishi isn't an extraordinary individual who has made a significant contribution to the world and to our lives. For more, read the "Sexy Sadie" file in the files section. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Feb 19, 2006, at 4:04 AM, Ron F wrote (quoting Deepak Chopra): > > > > > > > "There was never any truth to stories about the maharishi's > > > > womanising. > > > > > > If any women are going to come forth with their stories, now > would > > be > > > the time. > > > > > > > Nah, that won't cut it. > > > > Nothing less than a stained blue dress will be definitive...heck, > even > > Mia Farrow is confused about the incident AND SHE WAS THERE. > > While Monica was giving Clinton a blow job??? Monica wasn't -- stained blue dress or not. But without the dress, it was her word against his. But that's not the case with Farrow who truly seems to not be sure whether MMY's physical contact with her was a come-on. > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
Well, then you've come to the right place, Hugo. We have nothing but the unvarnished Truth here. Just ask anyone. Sal On Feb 19, 2006, at 10:33 AM, hugheshugo wrote: Why would this person wait until MMY died before publishing? Fear of litigation perhaps? I want the Truth, whatever it is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The only woman I know of who has said she's going to come > > > > forward is Judith B., who reportedly has written a book, > > > > but is waiting till MMY dies to publish it. If she does > > > > do so, that may embolden others. > > > > > > If these stories are true where does that leave the TMO? > > > > I doubt much will change. The only people in the > > world who care about Maharishi are the long-term > > TMers of the world. They already believe what they > > believe, and nothing will change for them. And > > nobody else gives a shit; to the world at large, > > Maharishi is an irrelevancy. > > > > Sadly, Barry is right. > > I myself have come to terms with the alleged philandering. And the > way I see it is: it doesn't affect one iota whether TM works or > not. Indeed, if a TBer is going to be affected by the allegations > so much then they really are not on the path of the TM program which > has nothing to do with gurus or their perfection/fallibilities. > > So, in a way, it's a good thing for the TMO that the allegations are > vetted: let it cull from their already dwindling number of > supporters those that aren't truly on the TM path. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 19, 2006, at 4:04 AM, Ron F wrote (quoting Deepak Chopra): > > > > > "There was never any truth to stories about the maharishi's > > > womanising. > > > > If any women are going to come forth with their stories, now would > be > > the time. > > > > Nah, that won't cut it. > > Nothing less than a stained blue dress will be definitive...heck, even > Mia Farrow is confused about the incident AND SHE WAS THERE. While Monica was giving Clinton a blow job??? > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > > > > > > The only woman I know of who has said she's going to come > > > forward is Judith B., who reportedly has written a book, > > > but is waiting till MMY dies to publish it. If she does > > > do so, that may embolden others. > > > > If these stories are true where does that leave the TMO? > > I doubt much will change. The only people in the > world who care about Maharishi are the long-term > TMers of the world. They already believe what they > believe, and nothing will change for them. And > nobody else gives a shit; to the world at large, > Maharishi is an irrelevancy. > Sadly, Barry is right. I myself have come to terms with the alleged philandering. And the way I see it is: it doesn't affect one iota whether TM works or not. Indeed, if a TBer is going to be affected by the allegations so much then they really are not on the path of the TM program which has nothing to do with gurus or their perfection/fallibilities. So, in a way, it's a good thing for the TMO that the allegations are vetted: let it cull from their already dwindling number of supporters those that aren't truly on the TM path. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 19, 2006, at 4:04 AM, Ron F wrote (quoting Deepak Chopra): > > > "There was never any truth to stories about the maharishi's > > womanising. > > If any women are going to come forth with their stories, now would be > the time. > Nah, that won't cut it. Nothing less than a stained blue dress will be definitive...heck, even Mia Farrow is confused about the incident AND SHE WAS THERE. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > on 2/19/06 7:11 AM, Vaj at vajranatha@ wrote: > > > > > > > > On Feb 19, 2006, at 4:04 AM, Ron F wrote (quoting Deepak Chopra): > > > > > >> "There was never any truth to stories about the maharishi's > > >> womanising. > > > > > > If any women are going to come forth with their stories, now > would be > > > the time. > > > > The only woman I know of who has said she's going to come forward > is Judith > > B., who reportedly has written a book, but is waiting till MMY > dies to > > publish it. If she does do so, that may embolden others. > > If these stories are true where does that leave the TMO? > > Can Maharishi be enlightened and be sleeping with women? > > Isn't deceit impossible in unity? > > And the obvious abuse of trust this would involve! I would have > thought they would have come forward before, as surely the lawsuit > would be worth billions? > > Why would this person wait until MMY died before publishing? Fear of > litigation perhaps? > > I want the Truth, whatever it is. Jessep: You want answers? Kaffee (Tom Cruise): I think I'm entitled to them. Jessep: You want answers? Kaffee: I want the truth! Jessep: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to! Kaffee: Did you order the code red? Jessep: (quietly) I did the job you sent me to do. Kaffee: Did you order the code red? Jessep: You're goddamn right I did!! > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > > > > > > The only woman I know of who has said she's going to come > > > forward is Judith B., who reportedly has written a book, > > > but is waiting till MMY dies to publish it. If she does > > > do so, that may embolden others. > > > > If these stories are true where does that leave the TMO? > > I doubt much will change. The only people in the > world who care about Maharishi are the long-term > TMers of the world. They already believe what they > believe, and nothing will change for them. And > nobody else gives a shit; to the world at large, > Maharishi is an irrelevancy. Yes this is true, the rest of the world will laugh at us for being taken in for so long. (I kept an open mind as you never know) Mind you, I used to work in the TM press office when one of these stories came out and people were reaally upset, A lot of people have huge amounts of their life mixed up in this it will be a disaster for them if true. Huge denial on the way I think. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > The only woman I know of who has said she's going to come > > forward is Judith B., who reportedly has written a book, > > but is waiting till MMY dies to publish it. If she does > > do so, that may embolden others. > > If these stories are true where does that leave the TMO? I doubt much will change. The only people in the world who care about Maharishi are the long-term TMers of the world. They already believe what they believe, and nothing will change for them. And nobody else gives a shit; to the world at large, Maharishi is an irrelevancy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another article- G harrison/Maharsihi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 2/19/06 7:11 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > On Feb 19, 2006, at 4:04 AM, Ron F wrote (quoting Deepak Chopra): > > > >> "There was never any truth to stories about the maharishi's > >> womanising. > > > > If any women are going to come forth with their stories, now would be > > the time. > > The only woman I know of who has said she's going to come forward is Judith > B., who reportedly has written a book, but is waiting till MMY dies to > publish it. If she does do so, that may embolden others. If these stories are true where does that leave the TMO? Can Maharishi be enlightened and be sleeping with women? Isn't deceit impossible in unity? And the obvious abuse of trust this would involve! I would have thought they would have come forward before, as surely the lawsuit would be worth billions? Why would this person wait until MMY died before publishing? Fear of litigation perhaps? I want the Truth, whatever it is. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
