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[FairfieldLife] Re: this sex thing goes a lot deeper
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ben Gilberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I couldn't be happier to discover a group that's smarter than me. That's far more promising and interesting than being revered by loveable simpletons. Perhaps for the first time in years I may actually learn something. Benny, Mensa surely must have a discussion group. You may find them closer to your level. We are working on a simpleton filter, but it is not ready yet. __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
[FairfieldLife] Re: this sex thing goes a lot deeper
Ben And I couldn't be happier to discover a group that's smarter than me. Curtis Equal is another option mate. Yea, the only thing worse than being preached to, is having to prop someone up who keeps saying they're sorry. I think Ben is going to have a hard time relating like an equal. I think he loves the pedestal, and this other mea culpa theme will play out shortly.
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Good morning, Steve. lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben And I couldn't be happier to discover a group that's smarter than me. Curtis Equal is another option mate. Yea, the only thing worse than being preached to, is having to prop someone up who keeps saying they're sorry. I think Ben is going to have a hard time relating like an equal. I think he loves the pedestal, and this other mea culpa theme will play out shortly. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: this sex thing goes a lot deeper
Hey Ben, Good morning to you. I hope you have a fine day. I'm getting ready to go off to work now. Maybe we'll chat during the day, or perhaps at the end of the day. Enjoy! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ben Gilberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good morning, Steve. lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben And I couldn't be happier to discover a group that's smarter than me. Curtis Equal is another option mate. Yea, the only thing worse than being preached to, is having to prop someone up who keeps saying they're sorry. I think Ben is going to have a hard time relating like an equal. I think he loves the pedestal, and this other mea culpa theme will play out shortly. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
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I agree with Curtis here. Use the term equal. You're with follow spiritual wayfarers here. We like to hear about your experiences, your insights, your understandings, but when its packaged as an implicit teaching to the unevolved masses, oy vay! --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I couldn't be happier to discover a group that's smarter than me. Equal is another option mate. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ben Gilberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Peter. I must say, I'm very glad to have finally come to realize that the situation is as you've described, though it took me long enough, so that I need persist in posting things that in this forum are clearly foolish. And I couldn't be happier to discover a group that's smarter than me. That's far more promising and interesting than being revered by loveable simpletons. Perhaps for the first time in years I may actually learn something. -- Ben Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben, I admire that you have hung on here in this forum after all the slings and arrows you have taken. But I think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned people being more advanced on this forum. Most of us have been deeply immersed in very authentic spiritual pursuits for decades. Most are not flaky, new-age dilettantes. So we are not easily impressed by your metaphysical forays. It has been thought about before. Your writing is not bad, it just is a little too speculative for this audience. --- Ben Gilberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look, I don't mind you guys having a good laugh at my stupidity, boorishness, arrogance, or god knows what other flaws that somehow are all coming into lurid evidence in this particular forum for some reason. But I've been posting things on internet forums for over 15 years now and I guess all these other forums have been humoring me into the self-flattering illusion that they actually enjoy the stuff I post. I don't know. I'm guessing that I'm really not as offensive or annoying as you're pretenting I am. I mean I'm not hateful or mean or vicious or critical or insulting or covert. I work up these little essays, it's a hobby of sorts, I've been doing it for many years. Sometimes they bomb, but often people enjoy them. On occasion they start discussions, but not always. I don't know, it can't be all that awful because folks rarely complain. I sometimes get nuked, but most often it seems to be a pleasant experience all around. Right now in fact I have another short essay I finished and already started to post in places. But I'm hesistant to post it here because it seems you're going to roll your eyes even before reading it. Maybe you're all unusually advanced in comparison to most, where most others find new ideas in my stuff where perhaps it would be virtually impossible for me to come up with anything you've long thought about and are already long sick of. I'm obviously babbling and have no point to make or argument to sell. But I always figure when relations are awkward any expression is better than stone silence. I'm stopping simply because I don't know where else to go with this or what else to say. I'm not upset or hurt or junk like that. I'm just flailing wildly on the notion maybe I'll discover something that will enable a more fortunate presence. And I've signed everything Much Love for 15 years. Too gooey? Fine. -- Ben That better? Ma --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 23, 2008, at 4:12 PM, feste37 wrote: Ben's style is to admit to his errors and then make the same ones all over again in his next post. Maybe next time around we'll get the Cliff's Notes version. When I read posts like that, I really start to feel like I must have ADD. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. === message truncated === Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Re: this sex thing goes a lot deeper
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ben Gilberti b7gilberti@ wrote: And I couldn't be happier to discover a group that's smarter than me. That's far more promising and interesting than being revered by loveable simpletons. Perhaps for the first time in years I may actually learn something. Benny, Mensa surely must have a discussion group. You may find them closer to your level. We are working on a simpleton filter, but it is not ready yet. Us members of Densa also have a discussion group.
[FairfieldLife] Re: this sex thing goes a lot deeper
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mainstream20016@ wrote: Warnings to avoid destabilizing one's innocence certainly lay bare the fallacy of theory that the prime mover of relative events on a macro scale are due to the collective consciousness of group program generated by such fragile minds. This is Shakespearian. How thoughtful. As a native Louisianian, I'm more frequently labeled 'BritneySpearian'. \ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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Thank you, Peter. I'm a bit embarrassed to say that I've lost the website link for learning that focusing technique, if you could send it to me again I'd be grateful. Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Curtis here. Use the term equal. You're with follow spiritual wayfarers here. We like to hear about your experiences, your insights, your understandings, but when its packaged as an implicit teaching to the unevolved masses, oy vay! --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I couldn't be happier to discover a group that's smarter than me. Equal is another option mate. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ben Gilberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Peter. I must say, I'm very glad to have finally come to realize that the situation is as you've described, though it took me long enough, so that I need persist in posting things that in this forum are clearly foolish. And I couldn't be happier to discover a group that's smarter than me. That's far more promising and interesting than being revered by loveable simpletons. Perhaps for the first time in years I may actually learn something. -- Ben Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben, I admire that you have hung on here in this forum after all the slings and arrows you have taken. But I think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned people being more advanced on this forum. Most of us have been deeply immersed in very authentic spiritual pursuits for decades. Most are not flaky, new-age dilettantes. So we are not easily impressed by your metaphysical forays. It has been thought about before. Your writing is not bad, it just is a little too speculative for this audience. --- Ben Gilberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look, I don't mind you guys having a good laugh at my stupidity, boorishness, arrogance, or god knows what other flaws that somehow are all coming into lurid evidence in this particular forum for some reason. But I've been posting things on internet forums for over 15 years now and I guess all these other forums have been humoring me into the self-flattering illusion that they actually enjoy the stuff I post. I don't know. I'm guessing that I'm really not as offensive or annoying as you're pretenting I am. I mean I'm not hateful or mean or vicious or critical or insulting or covert. I work up these little essays, it's a hobby of sorts, I've been doing it for many years. Sometimes they bomb, but often people enjoy them. On occasion they start discussions, but not always. I don't know, it can't be all that awful because folks rarely complain. I sometimes get nuked, but most often it seems to be a pleasant experience all around. Right now in fact I have another short essay I finished and already started to post in places. But I'm hesistant to post it here because it seems you're going to roll your eyes even before reading it. Maybe you're all unusually advanced in comparison to most, where most others find new ideas in my stuff where perhaps it would be virtually impossible for me to come up with anything you've long thought about and are already long sick of. I'm obviously babbling and have no point to make or argument to sell. But I always figure when relations are awkward any expression is better than stone silence. I'm stopping simply because I don't know where else to go with this or what else to say. I'm not upset or hurt or junk like that. I'm just flailing wildly on the notion maybe I'll discover something that will enable a more fortunate presence. And I've signed everything Much Love for 15 years. Too gooey? Fine. -- Ben That better? Ma --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 23, 2008, at 4:12 PM, feste37 wrote: Ben's style is to admit to his errors and then make the same ones all over again in his next post. Maybe next time around we'll get the Cliff's Notes version. When I read posts like that, I really start to feel like I must have ADD. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. === message truncated === __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your
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I'll look forward to it, Steve. Wishing you an easy day at work. lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey Ben, Good morning to you. I hope you have a fine day. I'm getting ready to go off to work now. Maybe we'll chat during the day, or perhaps at the end of the day. Enjoy! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ben Gilberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good morning, Steve. lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben And I couldn't be happier to discover a group that's smarter than me. Curtis Equal is another option mate. Yea, the only thing worse than being preached to, is having to prop someone up who keeps saying they're sorry. I think Ben is going to have a hard time relating like an equal. I think he loves the pedestal, and this other mea culpa theme will play out shortly. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
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Well let's see. My claim that you're smarter would compel me to suppose that you know better, and hence would be right about me being equal. curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I couldn't be happier to discover a group that's smarter than me. Equal is another option mate. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ben Gilberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Peter. I must say, I'm very glad to have finally come to realize that the situation is as you've described, though it took me long enough, so that I need persist in posting things that in this forum are clearly foolish. And I couldn't be happier to discover a group that's smarter than me. That's far more promising and interesting than being revered by loveable simpletons. Perhaps for the first time in years I may actually learn something. -- Ben Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben, I admire that you have hung on here in this forum after all the slings and arrows you have taken. But I think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned people being more advanced on this forum. Most of us have been deeply immersed in very authentic spiritual pursuits for decades. Most are not flaky, new-age dilettantes. So we are not easily impressed by your metaphysical forays. It has been thought about before. Your writing is not bad, it just is a little too speculative for this audience. --- Ben Gilberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look, I don't mind you guys having a good laugh at my stupidity, boorishness, arrogance, or god knows what other flaws that somehow are all coming into lurid evidence in this particular forum for some reason. But I've been posting things on internet forums for over 15 years now and I guess all these other forums have been humoring me into the self-flattering illusion that they actually enjoy the stuff I post. I don't know. I'm guessing that I'm really not as offensive or annoying as you're pretenting I am. I mean I'm not hateful or mean or vicious or critical or insulting or covert. I work up these little essays, it's a hobby of sorts, I've been doing it for many years. Sometimes they bomb, but often people enjoy them. On occasion they start discussions, but not always. I don't know, it can't be all that awful because folks rarely complain. I sometimes get nuked, but most often it seems to be a pleasant experience all around. Right now in fact I have another short essay I finished and already started to post in places. But I'm hesistant to post it here because it seems you're going to roll your eyes even before reading it. Maybe you're all unusually advanced in comparison to most, where most others find new ideas in my stuff where perhaps it would be virtually impossible for me to come up with anything you've long thought about and are already long sick of. I'm obviously babbling and have no point to make or argument to sell. But I always figure when relations are awkward any expression is better than stone silence. I'm stopping simply because I don't know where else to go with this or what else to say. I'm not upset or hurt or junk like that. I'm just flailing wildly on the notion maybe I'll discover something that will enable a more fortunate presence. And I've signed everything Much Love for 15 years. Too gooey? Fine. -- Ben That better? Ma --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 23, 2008, at 4:12 PM, feste37 wrote: Ben's style is to admit to his errors and then make the same ones all over again in his next post. Maybe next time around we'll get the Cliff's Notes version. When I read posts like that, I really start to feel like I must have ADD. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ben Gilberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: genius, now i realize there is at least one profound intellect in this group. you sir are marvellous. may we all heal and live and love in freedom... Well, as I've been reading the various replies to the sex post on a couple different Forums, I'm thinking, you know what, this whole thing goes a lot deeper than we dare to even imagine. I'm talking about very severe psychological mutilation, fearfully hidden, and if you start exposing it it feels like an attack. Of course, to expose a fearfully hidden mutilation is not an attack but a step towards healing. But to allow that mutilation to remain hidden because its exposure is feared, is to allow both the fear and the mutilation both to remain. The ego's pretense of benign normality is a desperate attempt to conceal the intolerable madness that knows it's very existence is an absolute fraud. Only the monstrous masculinity of viciously aggressive deceit could sustain such a fragile charade, hence making the fragility of feminine tenderness a mortal threat. And so masculinity has been caricatured into a horrific travesty of cruelty and torture, and femininity bludgeoned lifeless to neutralize the dreadful peril it's feared to be. Disabled Creativity disables spiritual progress and disabled sexuality disables Creativity, and disabled, maimed, distorted, repressed, denied, perverted, feared, abused, misused, misunderstood, misperceived, blocked, misconstrued, slandered, concealed, lied about, dysfunctional, imbalanced, frustrated, impotent, frigid, maligned, hated, twisted, condemned sexuality is the most widespread and deeply entrenched pathological disorder that afflicts the human race. Wilhelm Reich called it the emotional plague, and he was absolutely right. It's the ego's most successful castration of spiritual growth because the ego's got so many people supporting that castration in the name of spiritual well-being. To better understand the necessity of balancing masculinity and femininity within each individual, notice the obvious results if one or the other is disabled. The womanly woman is passive, receptive, accepting, nurturing, but not of anything that she herself intends, so her nurturing acceptance must always be at the service of others, making her a doormat at best and a slave at worst, or worst yet an entirely dysfunctional basket case of no benefit either to herself or to anyone else. The manly man is bristling with assertive intention and forceful initiative. But all his intentions and initiatives that would be of a Creative nature, instead of being accepted and nurtured by him to their full fruition, maturity and completeness, they are callously, impatiently and insensitively abandoned by him and nothing becomes of them. Furious that his grandiose and egotistical assertiveness falls impotent, yet with an intense denial, repression and aversion of the innate femininity that would render him Creative, he turns his assertiveness to aggressive destructiveness where it produces the vivid and grandiose results that his egotism craves, and so he further infects the planet with another manly man waging destructive war in boardrooms, in politics, in military combat, in domestic violence and so on. The male ego is in such a profound state of pathological deformity that it would rather see the world destroyed than to discover the inner femininity that would restore it's wholeness. Fortunately, those of us who are willing to balance ourselves back into our natural Androgyny will embrace these terrified fellows with the patience, forgiveness and compassion that will heal them of the traumatic mutilation they've suffered in the face of society's monstrous gender schizophrenia. Alright, I didn't mean to rant and rave. But actually, this stuff does far more damage left deeply hidden and denied. Unpleasant to expose, but much worse to hide. Much Love, Ben - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
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Alright, I didn't mean to rant and rave. Yes you did, that's what you do. I think this POV was big news when the Brady Bunch was on TV. Man bashing is s 70's. The male ego is in such a profound state of pathological deformity that it would rather see the world destroyed than to discover the inner femininity that would restore it's wholeness. On behalf of all men I revoke your nutsack. Please put it on the shelf next to all the 1970's therapists who thought they could score with chicks if they gave pseudo-feminist rants. Fortunately, those of us who are willing to balance ourselves back into our natural Androgyny will embrace these terrified fellows with the patience, forgiveness and compassion that will heal them of the traumatic mutilation they've suffered in the face of society's monstrous gender schizophrenia. I was gunna guess what you have in your CD collection but I'm afraid you might try to embrace me. I'm terrified don't ya know? Much Love, Ah, the impersonal sweetness of much anonymous love. You're a therapist, how about demonstrating some calibration and rapport skills? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ben Gilberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, as I've been reading the various replies to the sex post on a couple different Forums, I'm thinking, you know what, this whole thing goes a lot deeper than we dare to even imagine. I'm talking about very severe psychological mutilation, fearfully hidden, and if you start exposing it it feels like an attack. Of course, to expose a fearfully hidden mutilation is not an attack but a step towards healing. But to allow that mutilation to remain hidden because its exposure is feared, is to allow both the fear and the mutilation both to remain. The ego's pretense of benign normality is a desperate attempt to conceal the intolerable madness that knows it's very existence is an absolute fraud. Only the monstrous masculinity of viciously aggressive deceit could sustain such a fragile charade, hence making the fragility of feminine tenderness a mortal threat. And so masculinity has been caricatured into a horrific travesty of cruelty and torture, and femininity bludgeoned lifeless to neutralize the dreadful peril it's feared to be. Disabled Creativity disables spiritual progress and disabled sexuality disables Creativity, and disabled, maimed, distorted, repressed, denied, perverted, feared, abused, misused, misunderstood, misperceived, blocked, misconstrued, slandered, concealed, lied about, dysfunctional, imbalanced, frustrated, impotent, frigid, maligned, hated, twisted, condemned sexuality is the most widespread and deeply entrenched pathological disorder that afflicts the human race. Wilhelm Reich called it the emotional plague, and he was absolutely right. It's the ego's most successful castration of spiritual growth because the ego's got so many people supporting that castration in the name of spiritual well-being. To better understand the necessity of balancing masculinity and femininity within each individual, notice the obvious results if one or the other is disabled. The womanly woman is passive, receptive, accepting, nurturing, but not of anything that she herself intends, so her nurturing acceptance must always be at the service of others, making her a doormat at best and a slave at worst, or worst yet an entirely dysfunctional basket case of no benefit either to herself or to anyone else. The manly man is bristling with assertive intention and forceful initiative. But all his intentions and initiatives that would be of a Creative nature, instead of being accepted and nurtured by him to their full fruition, maturity and completeness, they are callously, impatiently and insensitively abandoned by him and nothing becomes of them. Furious that his grandiose and egotistical assertiveness falls impotent, yet with an intense denial, repression and aversion of the innate femininity that would render him Creative, he turns his assertiveness to aggressive destructiveness where it produces the vivid and grandiose results that his egotism craves, and so he further infects the planet with another manly man waging destructive war in boardrooms, in politics, in military combat, in domestic violence and so on. The male ego is in such a profound state of pathological deformity that it would rather see the world destroyed than to discover the inner femininity that would restore it's wholeness. Fortunately, those of us who are willing to balance ourselves back into our natural Androgyny will embrace these terrified fellows with the patience, forgiveness and compassion that will heal them of the traumatic mutilation they've suffered in the face of society's monstrous gender schizophrenia. Alright, I didn't mean to rant and rave. But actually, this stuff does far more damage left deeply hidden and denied. Unpleasant to expose, but much worse to hide. Much
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You're right. It was a reckless post and I did indulge in ranting and raving. I won't be so thoughtless in the future. curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alright, I didn't mean to rant and rave. Yes you did, that's what you do. I think this POV was big news when the Brady Bunch was on TV. Man bashing is s 70's. The male ego is in such a profound state of pathological deformity that it would rather see the world destroyed than to discover the inner femininity that would restore it's wholeness. On behalf of all men I revoke your nutsack. Please put it on the shelf next to all the 1970's therapists who thought they could score with chicks if they gave pseudo-feminist rants. Fortunately, those of us who are willing to balance ourselves back into our natural Androgyny will embrace these terrified fellows with the patience, forgiveness and compassion that will heal them of the traumatic mutilation they've suffered in the face of society's monstrous gender schizophrenia. I was gunna guess what you have in your CD collection but I'm afraid you might try to embrace me. I'm terrified don't ya know? Much Love, Ah, the impersonal sweetness of much anonymous love. You're a therapist, how about demonstrating some calibration and rapport skills? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ben Gilberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, as I've been reading the various replies to the sex post on a couple different Forums, I'm thinking, you know what, this whole thing goes a lot deeper than we dare to even imagine. I'm talking about very severe psychological mutilation, fearfully hidden, and if you start exposing it it feels like an attack. Of course, to expose a fearfully hidden mutilation is not an attack but a step towards healing. But to allow that mutilation to remain hidden because its exposure is feared, is to allow both the fear and the mutilation both to remain. The ego's pretense of benign normality is a desperate attempt to conceal the intolerable madness that knows it's very existence is an absolute fraud. Only the monstrous masculinity of viciously aggressive deceit could sustain such a fragile charade, hence making the fragility of feminine tenderness a mortal threat. And so masculinity has been caricatured into a horrific travesty of cruelty and torture, and femininity bludgeoned lifeless to neutralize the dreadful peril it's feared to be. Disabled Creativity disables spiritual progress and disabled sexuality disables Creativity, and disabled, maimed, distorted, repressed, denied, perverted, feared, abused, misused, misunderstood, misperceived, blocked, misconstrued, slandered, concealed, lied about, dysfunctional, imbalanced, frustrated, impotent, frigid, maligned, hated, twisted, condemned sexuality is the most widespread and deeply entrenched pathological disorder that afflicts the human race. Wilhelm Reich called it the emotional plague, and he was absolutely right. It's the ego's most successful castration of spiritual growth because the ego's got so many people supporting that castration in the name of spiritual well-being. To better understand the necessity of balancing masculinity and femininity within each individual, notice the obvious results if one or the other is disabled. The womanly woman is passive, receptive, accepting, nurturing, but not of anything that she herself intends, so her nurturing acceptance must always be at the service of others, making her a doormat at best and a slave at worst, or worst yet an entirely dysfunctional basket case of no benefit either to herself or to anyone else. The manly man is bristling with assertive intention and forceful initiative. But all his intentions and initiatives that would be of a Creative nature, instead of being accepted and nurtured by him to their full fruition, maturity and completeness, they are callously, impatiently and insensitively abandoned by him and nothing becomes of them. Furious that his grandiose and egotistical assertiveness falls impotent, yet with an intense denial, repression and aversion of the innate femininity that would render him Creative, he turns his assertiveness to aggressive destructiveness where it produces the vivid and grandiose results that his egotism craves, and so he further infects the planet with another manly man waging destructive war in boardrooms, in politics, in military combat, in domestic violence and so on. The male ego is in such a profound state of pathological deformity that it would rather see the world destroyed than to discover the inner femininity that would restore it's wholeness. Fortunately, those of us who are willing to balance ourselves back into our natural Androgyny will embrace these terrified fellows with the patience, forgiveness and compassion that will heal them of the traumatic mutilation they've suffered in the face of society's monstrous gender schizophrenia. Alright, I didn't mean to rant and rave. But actually,
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On Jan 23, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Ben Gilberti wrote: You're right. It was a reckless post and I did indulge in ranting and raving. I won't be so thoughtless in the future. We'll let it go this time, Ben... Sal
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ben Gilberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're right. It was a reckless post and I did indulge in ranting and raving. I won't be so thoughtless in the future. So there is a person behind the writing! Have you ever read William Farrell's work Why Men Are the Way They Are? He was part of the feminist movement until he spoke against their doctrine at the time of men bad, women good. This simplistic perspective has been updated by most modern feminists IMO. But his work was groundbreaking and I found it useful in shaping my own perspective. Here is a link to the Amazon page: http://tinyurl.com/299oep I was busting your balls (excuse the image) for not giving this group credit for having thought about the information you wrote about. I think you will find that most posters here are pretty familiar with the lines of thought you expressed and can actually discuss the ideas rather than get a lecture. Thanks for responding. curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alright, I didn't mean to rant and rave. Yes you did, that's what you do. I think this POV was big news when the Brady Bunch was on TV. Man bashing is s 70's. The male ego is in such a profound state of pathological deformity that it would rather see the world destroyed than to discover the inner femininity that would restore it's wholeness. On behalf of all men I revoke your nutsack. Please put it on the shelf next to all the 1970's therapists who thought they could score with chicks if they gave pseudo-feminist rants. Fortunately, those of us who are willing to balance ourselves back into our natural Androgyny will embrace these terrified fellows with the patience, forgiveness and compassion that will heal them of the traumatic mutilation they've suffered in the face of society's monstrous gender schizophrenia. I was gunna guess what you have in your CD collection but I'm afraid you might try to embrace me. I'm terrified don't ya know? Much Love, Ah, the impersonal sweetness of much anonymous love. You're a therapist, how about demonstrating some calibration and rapport skills? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ben Gilberti b7gilberti@ wrote: Well, as I've been reading the various replies to the sex post on a couple different Forums, I'm thinking, you know what, this whole thing goes a lot deeper than we dare to even imagine. I'm talking about very severe psychological mutilation, fearfully hidden, and if you start exposing it it feels like an attack. Of course, to expose a fearfully hidden mutilation is not an attack but a step towards healing. But to allow that mutilation to remain hidden because its exposure is feared, is to allow both the fear and the mutilation both to remain. The ego's pretense of benign normality is a desperate attempt to conceal the intolerable madness that knows it's very existence is an absolute fraud. Only the monstrous masculinity of viciously aggressive deceit could sustain such a fragile charade, hence making the fragility of feminine tenderness a mortal threat. And so masculinity has been caricatured into a horrific travesty of cruelty and torture, and femininity bludgeoned lifeless to neutralize the dreadful peril it's feared to be. Disabled Creativity disables spiritual progress and disabled sexuality disables Creativity, and disabled, maimed, distorted, repressed, denied, perverted, feared, abused, misused, misunderstood, misperceived, blocked, misconstrued, slandered, concealed, lied about, dysfunctional, imbalanced, frustrated, impotent, frigid, maligned, hated, twisted, condemned sexuality is the most widespread and deeply entrenched pathological disorder that afflicts the human race. Wilhelm Reich called it the emotional plague, and he was absolutely right. It's the ego's most successful castration of spiritual growth because the ego's got so many people supporting that castration in the name of spiritual well-being. To better understand the necessity of balancing masculinity and femininity within each individual, notice the obvious results if one or the other is disabled. The womanly woman is passive, receptive, accepting, nurturing, but not of anything that she herself intends, so her nurturing acceptance must always be at the service of others, making her a doormat at best and a slave at worst, or worst yet an entirely dysfunctional basket case of no benefit either to herself or to anyone else. The manly man is bristling with assertive intention and forceful initiative. But all his intentions and initiatives that would be of a Creative nature, instead of being accepted and nurtured by him to their full fruition, maturity and completeness, they are callously, impatiently and insensitively abandoned by him and nothing becomes of them. Furious that his grandiose and egotistical assertiveness falls impotent, yet with an
[FairfieldLife] Re: this sex thing goes a lot deeper
Ben's style is to admit to his errors and then make the same ones all over again in his next post. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Ben Gilberti wrote: You're right. It was a reckless post and I did indulge in ranting and raving. I won't be so thoughtless in the future. We'll let it go this time, Ben... Sal
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On Jan 23, 2008, at 4:12 PM, feste37 wrote: Ben's style is to admit to his errors and then make the same ones all over again in his next post. Maybe next time around we'll get the Cliff's Notes version. When I read posts like that, I really start to feel like I must have ADD. Sal
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Look, I don't mind you guys having a good laugh at my stupidity, boorishness, arrogance, or god knows what other flaws that somehow are all coming into lurid evidence in this particular forum for some reason. But I've been posting things on internet forums for over 15 years now and I guess all these other forums have been humoring me into the self-flattering illusion that they actually enjoy the stuff I post. I don't know. I'm guessing that I'm really not as offensive or annoying as you're pretenting I am. I mean I'm not hateful or mean or vicious or critical or insulting or covert. I work up these little essays, it's a hobby of sorts, I've been doing it for many years. Sometimes they bomb, but often people enjoy them. On occasion they start discussions, but not always. I don't know, it can't be all that awful because folks rarely complain. I sometimes get nuked, but most often it seems to be a pleasant experience all around. Right now in fact I have another short essay I finished and already started to post in places. But I'm hesistant to post it here because it seems you're going to roll your eyes even before reading it. Maybe you're all unusually advanced in comparison to most, where most others find new ideas in my stuff where perhaps it would be virtually impossible for me to come up with anything you've long thought about and are already long sick of. I'm obviously babbling and have no point to make or argument to sell. But I always figure when relations are awkward any expression is better than stone silence. I'm stopping simply because I don't know where else to go with this or what else to say. I'm not upset or hurt or junk like that. I'm just flailing wildly on the notion maybe I'll discover something that will enable a more fortunate presence. And I've signed everything Much Love for 15 years. Too gooey? Fine. -- Ben That better? Ma --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2008, at 4:12 PM, feste37 wrote: Ben's style is to admit to his errors and then make the same ones all over again in his next post. Maybe next time around we'll get the Cliff's Notes version. When I read posts like that, I really start to feel like I must have ADD. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: this sex thing goes a lot deeper
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2008, at 4:12 PM, feste37 wrote: Ben's style is to admit to his errors and then make the same ones all over again in his next post. Maybe next time around we'll get the Cliff's Notes version. When I read posts like that, I really start to feel like I must have ADD. Sal That's exactly the abbreviation I was looking for. I get ADD whenever Dr. John and Dr. BM speak, which is much too often and for much too long. My friends and I reason that since hot air floats both those guys must have those shoes full of lead you wear when working with spent uranium.
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Ben, I admire that you have hung on here in this forum after all the slings and arrows you have taken. But I think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned people being more advanced on this forum. Most of us have been deeply immersed in very authentic spiritual pursuits for decades. Most are not flaky, new-age dilettantes. So we are not easily impressed by your metaphysical forays. It has been thought about before. Your writing is not bad, it just is a little too speculative for this audience. --- Ben Gilberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look, I don't mind you guys having a good laugh at my stupidity, boorishness, arrogance, or god knows what other flaws that somehow are all coming into lurid evidence in this particular forum for some reason. But I've been posting things on internet forums for over 15 years now and I guess all these other forums have been humoring me into the self-flattering illusion that they actually enjoy the stuff I post. I don't know. I'm guessing that I'm really not as offensive or annoying as you're pretenting I am. I mean I'm not hateful or mean or vicious or critical or insulting or covert. I work up these little essays, it's a hobby of sorts, I've been doing it for many years. Sometimes they bomb, but often people enjoy them. On occasion they start discussions, but not always. I don't know, it can't be all that awful because folks rarely complain. I sometimes get nuked, but most often it seems to be a pleasant experience all around. Right now in fact I have another short essay I finished and already started to post in places. But I'm hesistant to post it here because it seems you're going to roll your eyes even before reading it. Maybe you're all unusually advanced in comparison to most, where most others find new ideas in my stuff where perhaps it would be virtually impossible for me to come up with anything you've long thought about and are already long sick of. I'm obviously babbling and have no point to make or argument to sell. But I always figure when relations are awkward any expression is better than stone silence. I'm stopping simply because I don't know where else to go with this or what else to say. I'm not upset or hurt or junk like that. I'm just flailing wildly on the notion maybe I'll discover something that will enable a more fortunate presence. And I've signed everything Much Love for 15 years. Too gooey? Fine. -- Ben That better? Ma --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2008, at 4:12 PM, feste37 wrote: Ben's style is to admit to his errors and then make the same ones all over again in his next post. Maybe next time around we'll get the Cliff's Notes version. When I read posts like that, I really start to feel like I must have ADD. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben, I admire that you have hung on here in this forum after all the slings and arrows you have taken. But I think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned people being more advanced on this forum. An opinion not universally shared, I'm sure, by many of our neighbors in Fairfield. Posters to FFL are considered 'devolved to stone age status', or 'loaded with recently acquired negative karma' for posting that which isn't the TB party - line. Even lurking is considered dangerous to one's evolution. Warnings to avoid destabilizing one's innocence certainly lay bare the fallacy of theory that the prime mover of relative events on a macro scale are due to the collective consciousness of group program generated by such fragile minds. Most of us have been deeply immersed in very authentic spiritual pursuits for decades. Most are not flaky, new-age dilettantes. So we are not easily impressed by your metaphysical forays. It has been thought about before. Your writing is not bad, it just is a little too speculative for this audience. --- Ben Gilberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look, I don't mind you guys having a good laugh at my stupidity, boorishness, arrogance, or god knows what other flaws that somehow are all coming into lurid evidence in this particular forum for some reason. But I've been posting things on internet forums for over 15 years now and I guess all these other forums have been humoring me into the self-flattering illusion that they actually enjoy the stuff I post. I don't know. I'm guessing that I'm really not as offensive or annoying as you're pretenting I am. I mean I'm not hateful or mean or vicious or critical or insulting or covert. I work up these little essays, it's a hobby of sorts, I've been doing it for many years. Sometimes they bomb, but often people enjoy them. On occasion they start discussions, but not always. I don't know, it can't be all that awful because folks rarely complain. I sometimes get nuked, but most often it seems to be a pleasant experience all around. Right now in fact I have another short essay I finished and already started to post in places. But I'm hesistant to post it here because it seems you're going to roll your eyes even before reading it. Maybe you're all unusually advanced in comparison to most, where most others find new ideas in my stuff where perhaps it would be virtually impossible for me to come up with anything you've long thought about and are already long sick of. I'm obviously babbling and have no point to make or argument to sell. But I always figure when relations are awkward any expression is better than stone silence. I'm stopping simply because I don't know where else to go with this or what else to say. I'm not upset or hurt or junk like that. I'm just flailing wildly on the notion maybe I'll discover something that will enable a more fortunate presence. And I've signed everything Much Love for 15 years. Too gooey? Fine. -- Ben That better? Ma --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 23, 2008, at 4:12 PM, feste37 wrote: Ben's style is to admit to his errors and then make the same ones all over again in his next post. Maybe next time around we'll get the Cliff's Notes version. When I read posts like that, I really start to feel like I must have ADD. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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Thanks, Peter. I must say, I'm very glad to have finally come to realize that the situation is as you've described, though it took me long enough, so that I need persist in posting things that in this forum are clearly foolish. And I couldn't be happier to discover a group that's smarter than me. That's far more promising and interesting than being revered by loveable simpletons. Perhaps for the first time in years I may actually learn something. -- Ben Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben, I admire that you have hung on here in this forum after all the slings and arrows you have taken. But I think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned people being more advanced on this forum. Most of us have been deeply immersed in very authentic spiritual pursuits for decades. Most are not flaky, new-age dilettantes. So we are not easily impressed by your metaphysical forays. It has been thought about before. Your writing is not bad, it just is a little too speculative for this audience. --- Ben Gilberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look, I don't mind you guys having a good laugh at my stupidity, boorishness, arrogance, or god knows what other flaws that somehow are all coming into lurid evidence in this particular forum for some reason. But I've been posting things on internet forums for over 15 years now and I guess all these other forums have been humoring me into the self-flattering illusion that they actually enjoy the stuff I post. I don't know. I'm guessing that I'm really not as offensive or annoying as you're pretenting I am. I mean I'm not hateful or mean or vicious or critical or insulting or covert. I work up these little essays, it's a hobby of sorts, I've been doing it for many years. Sometimes they bomb, but often people enjoy them. On occasion they start discussions, but not always. I don't know, it can't be all that awful because folks rarely complain. I sometimes get nuked, but most often it seems to be a pleasant experience all around. Right now in fact I have another short essay I finished and already started to post in places. But I'm hesistant to post it here because it seems you're going to roll your eyes even before reading it. Maybe you're all unusually advanced in comparison to most, where most others find new ideas in my stuff where perhaps it would be virtually impossible for me to come up with anything you've long thought about and are already long sick of. I'm obviously babbling and have no point to make or argument to sell. But I always figure when relations are awkward any expression is better than stone silence. I'm stopping simply because I don't know where else to go with this or what else to say. I'm not upset or hurt or junk like that. I'm just flailing wildly on the notion maybe I'll discover something that will enable a more fortunate presence. And I've signed everything Much Love for 15 years. Too gooey? Fine. -- Ben That better? Ma --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2008, at 4:12 PM, feste37 wrote: Ben's style is to admit to his errors and then make the same ones all over again in his next post. Maybe next time around we'll get the Cliff's Notes version. When I read posts like that, I really start to feel like I must have ADD. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
[FairfieldLife] Re: this sex thing goes a lot deeper
And I couldn't be happier to discover a group that's smarter than me. Equal is another option mate. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ben Gilberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Peter. I must say, I'm very glad to have finally come to realize that the situation is as you've described, though it took me long enough, so that I need persist in posting things that in this forum are clearly foolish. And I couldn't be happier to discover a group that's smarter than me. That's far more promising and interesting than being revered by loveable simpletons. Perhaps for the first time in years I may actually learn something. -- Ben Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben, I admire that you have hung on here in this forum after all the slings and arrows you have taken. But I think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned people being more advanced on this forum. Most of us have been deeply immersed in very authentic spiritual pursuits for decades. Most are not flaky, new-age dilettantes. So we are not easily impressed by your metaphysical forays. It has been thought about before. Your writing is not bad, it just is a little too speculative for this audience. --- Ben Gilberti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look, I don't mind you guys having a good laugh at my stupidity, boorishness, arrogance, or god knows what other flaws that somehow are all coming into lurid evidence in this particular forum for some reason. But I've been posting things on internet forums for over 15 years now and I guess all these other forums have been humoring me into the self-flattering illusion that they actually enjoy the stuff I post. I don't know. I'm guessing that I'm really not as offensive or annoying as you're pretenting I am. I mean I'm not hateful or mean or vicious or critical or insulting or covert. I work up these little essays, it's a hobby of sorts, I've been doing it for many years. Sometimes they bomb, but often people enjoy them. On occasion they start discussions, but not always. I don't know, it can't be all that awful because folks rarely complain. I sometimes get nuked, but most often it seems to be a pleasant experience all around. Right now in fact I have another short essay I finished and already started to post in places. But I'm hesistant to post it here because it seems you're going to roll your eyes even before reading it. Maybe you're all unusually advanced in comparison to most, where most others find new ideas in my stuff where perhaps it would be virtually impossible for me to come up with anything you've long thought about and are already long sick of. I'm obviously babbling and have no point to make or argument to sell. But I always figure when relations are awkward any expression is better than stone silence. I'm stopping simply because I don't know where else to go with this or what else to say. I'm not upset or hurt or junk like that. I'm just flailing wildly on the notion maybe I'll discover something that will enable a more fortunate presence. And I've signed everything Much Love for 15 years. Too gooey? Fine. -- Ben That better? Ma --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 23, 2008, at 4:12 PM, feste37 wrote: Ben's style is to admit to his errors and then make the same ones all over again in his next post. Maybe next time around we'll get the Cliff's Notes version. When I read posts like that, I really start to feel like I must have ADD. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
