[FairfieldLife] Re: Response to responses to posts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -Only a swami could give sannyas. There are five swami families. Which > lineage are you going to be? I think there are 10, not 5- and I think mine will be Giri- my guru is from both puri and Guri for a reason- there were 4 Gurus for my guru in the jorney, 2 were with different linneages- h Giri and puri. My sanyas name has already been chosen but I don't know what is it yet, but you will hear about it. > > Don't tell me Natha and makea me laugha. > > developed - something like this. In taking sanyas, then again, a new name > > is given- I am > > taking sanyas sept 17th, then it is Swami whatever ananda. > > > > This is how things work on this path > > > -Path from where to where? Path is defined over here as the spiritual organization that has the Guru at the head. TM is a path under this definition, my path is under the direction of my Guru- Swami Ganga- Puri Kaliuttamananda-Giri- ( Swami G for short) . Since I think you are mistaken in who you think my Guru is, here is a link http://kundalinisupport.com/swamiji.htm With whom? To what? Are you doing Vipassana? my Guru does send some disciples there, but advises to not take in the philsophical standpoint or > Shamatha? or Mantravidya? Are you Buddhist, Hindu, or Man-About-Religion? Jewish I > ask simply because I remember reading about the retreats with her and I know > they sit long hours and go through much psychobabble and spiritual tripe. as I said , you have the wrong guru, no retreats are held - the meditation is integrated into life, very practical > Ever eaten tripe? A little goes a long way. Too much and you will be very > hungry. Be very careful who you bind yourself to. Ron. These shravakas who > set themselves up as experts have perks and money rewards for their > Entrance is donation only, there is even free entrance but if one is planing the free route, doubt there will be a lot of benefits to a closed heart. Ashram is needed, there is none yet, only an acount with $4000 which was collected over 8 years Answers to a second post: TQ:What I've been trying to communicate to you since you started this evangelize-to-the-poor-downtrodden- TMers-what-it's-like-to-study-with-a-*real*-teacher campaign is that there are other ways of seeing the situation than the way you currently see it. Tanmay: I agree with this- but I don't mind how it is perceived, it is up to each one and I am not calling it wrong- see it as you like, hope it is something that helps. TQ: One of them is that you spent decades believing what one teacher told you, without ever questioning the validity of anything he said, Tanmay: there is validity to TM and I am not saying that there is not. I honor the benefits I got, what was and how I did or did not question things is of the past. Because one behaves a certain way in the past about anything does not mean that this is current behavior, so this is why it is not worth bringing up the past in this connection and now it appears that you're doing exactly the same thing with another teacher. TanMay : It is not one thing I am doing, it is comprhensive path that is different in many ways. Maybe from you observation, it is what it is, but I know this is very different in many ways, and I am also in a different place than before. You seem to feel that this is progress on your part. I'm not sure that everyone here agrees with you. Tanmay: I know there is much progress for myself. I know that people see what they see, this has nothing to do with me- it is that same thing MMY said- give someone a flower, one is joyfull about it, one starts crying. I am promoting my path, as I feel like doing it, and am enjoying doing it. Maybe someone is interested and then even enters the path and has similar things to say and experience as I am. For those not interested, this is also fine. May all find that eternal lasting Being we hear about, that is all TQ:When asked about what *you* believe, you respond with your teacher's words, not your own. Tanmay: I think it is a good idea, especially compared to those that speak with athority about enlightenment but are not. Then if asked if they are enlightened, they side step the question with non sense. Whose words are better in describing enlightenment - mine when I claim not to be, or My Guru, which passes the test for me now. also the 2 newly enlightened disciples. TQ: Not all of us are convinced of the accuracy of the equation: SwamiGsaysIt = Truth Tanmay: Well, it boils down to each one having to use their discrimination, then choose what you choose, and reap the results. This is karma. I am presenting my path, others here in this forum present their path, which sometimes doesnt have a Guru - sometimes it is a machine even- not laughing at this for I think a machine can be way deeper than one can imagine- based on my experience of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Response to responses to posts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well fellas and any women, > > No matter what gets posted anywhere, there is going to be a > big range of reactions and responses. When it comes to certain > things like Gurus, there may be a strong reaction. This is > probably why there is a barbed wire fence surrounding Maharishi > house with 24 hour security and a German sheppard. Bzt. Thank you for playing, but wrong answer. This is the "Even though *I* know the truth there are people out there not so fortunate, so they are going to react to hearing the truth with skepticism and anger and possibly even violence" answer. In other words, it's the cultist's answer. It's the self importance answer. It's the "I'm just telling them the truth, and if they don't react to that truth the way I want them to, it's because they're not evolved enough to see it" answer. What I've been trying to communicate to you since you started this evangelize-to-the-poor-downtrodden- TMers-what-it's-like-to-study-with-a-*real*-teacher campaign is that there are other ways of seeing the situation than the way you currently see it. One of them is that you spent decades believing what one teacher told you, without ever questioning the validity of anything he said, and now it appears that you're doing exactly the same thing with another teacher. You seem to feel that this is progress on your part. I'm not sure that everyone here agrees with you. > My reason for posting is I am enjoying it. I think some of > the posts I have sent have been really profound and different. > At least this brings a different variety to this forum, one > of a mixture of many other things here. I agree, and you have every right to continue posting these things. Just as I have the right to occasionally point out that you sound a lot like someone who has merely traded one authority figure for another, with no pause in between to practice discrimination. When asked about what *you* believe, you respond with your teacher's words, not your own. When asked specific questions about the practices you perform with Swami G or her credentials or whatever, again you respond *with her words*, as if those words are synonymous with Truth. Not all of us are convinced of the accuracy of the equation: SwamiGsaysIt = Truth What we *are* convinced of by this time is the accuracy of another equation: SwamiGsaysIt = Ron *believes* it is the Truth The two are not the same. I am not for a moment suggesting that you don't firmly believe the things that are being told to you. And I do not for a moment think that you are doing this out of anything other than a sense of inspiration and a desire to share it. I'm merely pointing out something you seem to have missed, that you're acting a lot like a parrot. SwamiG sez this, SwamiG sez that. Who CARES what SwamiG says? What do YOU think about things? That's FAR more interesting to me than anything she has to say. > If by chance, these posts help someone then great, weather > it is voiced or not, doesn't matter. If one voices that > they enjoyed a post and it was helpfull, fine. If one is > very upset with my post, well, could happen- no way I am > going to appeal to everyone. Even if it is zero, whatever > it is, it is ok. Cool, I guess. You're obviously going to continue your evangelistic efforts, no matter what anyone says. Good for you, if it makes you feel like you're doing something valuable. But *as* you continue them, you'll have to forgive me (and others who have spoken up recently) if we point out when you're starting to sound like a fairly naive cultist who is just believing anything that his gooroo tells him to believe. Just as you are providing information on how things are done in your new study, we are occasionally provid- ing *you* with information on how those actions and practices are viewed in other studies and traditions and lineages. Sometimes the things you mention about how Swami G does business just raise big red flags for us, because we've seen those flags raised and dealt with in other traditions. They're "dead end" practices that lead, over time, to confusion in the students and dependence on the teacher. Fine, I guess, if what you really want to become is confused and dependent on your teacher. But if what you're looking for is freedom, that might not be the path you want to take.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Response to responses to posts
-Only a swami could give sannyas. There are five swami families. Which lineage are you going to be? Don't tell me Natha and makea me laugha. > developed - something like this. In taking sanyas, then again, a new name > is given- I am > taking sanyas sept 17th, then it is Swami whatever ananda. > > This is how things work on this path -Path from where to where? With whom? To what? Are you doing Vipassana? or Shamatha? or Mantravidya? Are you Buddhist, Hindu, or Man-About-Religion? I ask simply because I remember reading about the retreats with her and I know they sit long hours and go through much psychobabble and spiritual tripe. Ever eaten tripe? A little goes a long way. Too much and you will be very hungry. Be very careful who you bind yourself to. Ron. These shravakas who set themselves up as experts have perks and money rewards for their
[FairfieldLife] Re: Response to responses to posts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Who's Tanmay and what does it mean? > Tanmay was the spiritual name given to me at the time I took diksha ( initiation) into the path I am on now. The name is given at the time of the diksha ceremony by my Guru in this case. It means meditative calm. Diksha names are either qualities that are already there or will be developed or need to be developed - something like this. In taking sanyas, then again, a new name is given- I am taking sanyas sept 17th, then it is Swami whatever ananda. This is how things work on this path
