RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become

2007-08-29 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of jim_flanegin
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:40 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become

 

Someone oughta remind folks *who are interested* (and *only* those 
who are interested...) that a piercing intellect is a requirement 
for Enlightenment...Even Byron Katie would agree.:-)

Maybe, but Trotaka didn’t have one, and I once heard MMY tell Charlie
Donahue that “all this logic and exactness could just be a symptom of
stress.”

 


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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become

2007-08-29 Thread billy jim
To paraphrase a Japanese poet:
   
   
  Such piercing chill I feel
  My dead guru's sandal
  at his altar
  under my heel
   
   
   
  heh heh

Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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On Behalf Of jim_flanegin
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become


  
Someone oughta remind folks *who are interested* (and *only* those 
who are interested...) that a piercing intellect is a requirement 
for Enlightenment...Even Byron Katie would agree.:-)
  Maybe, but Trotaka didn’t have one, and I once heard MMY tell Charlie Donahue 
that “all this logic and exactness could just be a symptom of stress.”



  


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become

2007-08-29 Thread Peter

--- lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 curtisdeltablues 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Lurk,
 I missed Cliff Rees (not spelled Reese?)  posting
 here?  He was a very
  interesting movement guy if it was the same guy I
 knew.  What posts
  can you direct me to?  I would like to read his
 perspective on his
  movement life if he posted it.
 
 Cliff was well traveled, and had the opportunity to
 rise into the 
 higher echelons of TMO because of his business
 dealings.  So, he 
 always had plenty of good stories to share in this
 regard.  His handle 
 was Cliffthedancer, and as well, he always had some
 fun stories to 
 share about his personal life.  He also served well
 as a reality 
 check, and could come down hard on either side of
 the divide, 
 political or otherwise.  Perhaps it was in this
 regard that he ran 
 into interference with Judy.  
 
 I think some the frustration with Judy is that many
 come to FFL for 
 some easy banter, interesting discussion, venting,
 and Judy comes with 
 her game face on.  Not to say that Judy can't show a
 lighter side, 
 (she does have a good dry sense of humor IMO), but
 the discussion can 
 pretty quickly ramp up to a level that squeezes out
 the fun.
 
 lurk

Lurk, you are such a liar. ;-)





 
   
   
  
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become

2007-08-29 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 12:14 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become

 

--- In HYPERLINK
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lurk,
I missed Cliff Rees (not spelled Reese?) posting here? He was a very
interesting movement guy if it was the same guy I knew. What posts
can you direct me to? I would like to read his perspective on his
movement life if he posted it.

I forwarded this to Cliff. Does the search function in Yahoo groups let you
search by the poster’s ID?

 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become

2007-08-28 Thread gullible fool

Other groups and forums have tight controls, because
the trolls and spammers WILL ruin every one of them if
given a chance.
 
--- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 If someone is mean, out they go, and that
 goes for Edg and everyone else. One strike, out you
 go. 
 
 If I wanted this kind of judgment on my expression I
 would have stayed
 in the movement.  Does the term Age of
 Enlightenment News mean
 anything to you?
 
 Once trollish behavior has been identified, anyone
 responding is doing
 it by choice.  Some are obviously nuts or on the
 outer edges of odd. 
 Some are entertaining if you don't take it
 personally.  
 
 Limiting content freedom is a dark path.  If you
 just control what you
 read, ignore posts that don't interest you and pay
 attention to what
 you like, no one will have to kick people off
 because you don't want
 to read their stuff. 
 
 Self control, not group control.
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Still working here Edg. But I'll ponder this
 tonight and get back to
 you.
  
   
  
  
  
  Rick Archer
  SearchSummit
  1108 South B Street
  Fairfield, IA 52556
  Phone: (641) 472-9336
  Fax: (914) 470-9336
  http:HYPERLINK
 http://searchsummit.com//searchsummit.com
  HYPERLINK
  http://[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Duveyoung
  Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:48 PM
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] What Fairfield and
 Fairfield Life Could Become
  
   
  
  Rick, 
  
  You want a great message board, but I'm finding
 your support of
  trolls to be dangerously near to enabling
 slander -- not to mention
  the attempts of trolls to emotionally abuse folks.
 Rick, how many
  more folks will leave this place because you think
 trolls are cute and
  add to the mix? Don't deny it. There's been many
 a mind here that
  was just abused down to a nub, while you watched
 it. I'm almost ready
  to leave, and Turq just said the same thing. TURQ
 DON'T LEAVE
 WITHOUT ME!
  
  I'm not a prude or some anal type trying to lay
 down some hardass
  morality. It might be quite acceptable to have a
 sort of locker room
  mentality here -- the put-downs could be a good
 natured but gentle
  chiding, but these trolls here are out to piss
 folks off plain and
  simple, and they take the meanest route possible
 every time. 
  
  Rick, I know you have thought for hours and hours
 about this, but, I
  ask you to look into your heart and to more deeply
 consider this
  issue, because, in light of the fact that you are
 not controlling the
  trolls, I think you are harming the community
 here. That said, I AM
  ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT YOU WANT TO THIS BE A
 WONDERFUL FORUM OF DEBATE
  AND SHARING. 
  
  If you truly like the angst here, think deeper.
  
  And with Maharishi's death just around the corner,
 Fairfield Life may
  become an incredibly important hub to find a
 leader, a flag, a notion,
  something to rally around and have Fairfield --
 the New Age City --
  really blossom. Now that would be a wonderful
 thing for the whole
  community, right? But, with the trolls here, it
 just won't happen
  with their typical vilifications. 
  
  Good folk trying hard to make things better just
 won't put up with
  abuse such as is daily seen here. 
  
  Mr. Gorber, Rick tear down this wall! 
  
  This wall of trolls that keeps the good folks who
 really would love a
  dialog of import and a peaceful meeting place of
 quiet minds thinking
  deeply about the potentials that Fairfield could
 finally achieve.
  
  I'm a romantic fool, go figure, but I have a dream
 of this place being
  where free minds think aloud freely and yet no one
 is hating anyone
  else's differences -- you know, what we all
 believed that TM would
  automatically guarantee us. A place where silence
 is the worst put-down.
  
  Well, no luck so far, eh? 
  
  So I say, Jai Guru Rick -- lead us to the
 community light. 
  
  I'll be there for that vision. And here's the
 price I would pay for
  it: I'll never use another swear word here, never
 take offense, never
  abuse, never use, never lie, never insinuate,
 never bait, never troll. 
  
  I'll be your number one disciple if you change
 this group into the
  enlightened community that it truly can be. All
 the other cities that
  could possibly fill this role, Ashland, OR for
 instance, can't hope to
  beat Fairfield if Fairfield got rid of its
 only-TM-works prejudices.
  
  And, Rick, you don't have to do anything mean.
  
  All you have to do is say, If someone is mean,
 out they go, and that
  goes for Edg and everyone else. One strike, out
 you go. And, I say,
  let all the trolls stay here and see if they can
 follow the plan of
  being simply decent. If not, then they kick
 themselves out since
  they'll know you mean what you say. Not your
 fault!
  
  And if you don't want to be a morality 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become

2007-08-28 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 7:04 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become

 

If someone is mean, out they go, and that
goes for Edg and everyone else. One strike, out you go. 

If I wanted this kind of judgment on my expression I would have stayed
in the movement. Does the term Age of Enlightenment News mean
anything to you?

Once trollish behavior has been identified, anyone responding is doing
it by choice. Some are obviously nuts or on the outer edges of odd. 
Some are entertaining if you don't take it personally. 

Limiting content freedom is a dark path. If you just control what you
read, ignore posts that don't interest you and pay attention to what
you like, no one will have to kick people off because you don't want
to read their stuff. 

Self control, not group control.

Curtis said it much better than I could have. Since many of us seem rather
juvenile at times, try to remember the old childhood saying, “Sticks and
stones can break my bones, but names can never hurt me.” Here’s another one
we used to say: “I’m rubber and you’re glue. Everything bad you say to me
bounces off of me and sticks to you.” And one from the Yoga Sutras:
“Undisturbed calmness of mind is attained by cultivating friendliness toward
the happy, compassion for the unhappy, delight in the virtuous, and
indifference toward the wicked.”

Negative posters tire themselves out very quickly if you ignore them. I use
my real name, live in FF, founded this forum, and make some pretty
controversial (and unfounded) statements. I take some pretty serious flak
for this sometimes. When this happens, I remember the Robert Burns poem:

“O would some Power the gift to give us
To see ourselves as others see us!”

I can’t blame these people for seeing me as some rakshasha-possessed,
Maharishi-bashing ne’r do well. That’s how I used to view people who did
what I’m doing. Are any of us completely innocent of doing the things we
accuse others of doing? Look at your recent interchange with Nabby, Edg. He
claimed to have flown 24 feet, and you went ballistic, using expletives,
threatening physical violence, etc. Or this more recent interchange. I only
read a fraction of the posts and may have missed many juicy details, but I
gathered that someone called you some name and rather than ignoring that
childish insult, you exploded, blowing smoke out your ears and threatening a
law suit. You responded to a BB gun with a bazooka. Anyway, Curtis said it
all: “Self control, not group control.”


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become

2007-08-28 Thread Peter
One thing that's interersting about Ciff is that he
taught TM in India with Ravi Shankar befor he became
Sri Sri Ravi Shankar.

--- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Lurk,
 
 I missed Cliff Rees (not spelled Reese?)  posting
 here?  He was a very
 interesting movement guy if it was the same guy I
 knew.  What posts
 can you direct me to?  I would like to read his
 perspective on his
 movement life if he posted it.
 
 Thanks.
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 lurkernomore20002000
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Edg:
  If someone is mean, out they go, and that goes for
 Edg and everyone 
  else. One strike, out you go. 
   
  Curtis:
  If I wanted this kind of judgment on my expression
 I would have 
  stayed in the movement.  Does the term Age of
 Enlightenment News 
  mean anything to you?
  
  You know, we lost Cliff Rees.  That was a loss. 
 He said he couldn't 
  tolerate Judy.  I would hate to lost Edg.  But FFL
 will survive, 
  sometimes more fun, sometimes less.  I can't help
 but feel that 
  Cliff cut himself off from a nice outlet.  Curtis,
 you are so right 
  on.  Self discipline, not imposed discipline is
 what makes for a 
  strong community.   IMHO, Judy has much a right as
 anyone to express 
  herself as she sees fit.  
  
  lurk
   
  
  
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become

2007-08-28 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 7:40 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become

 

Edg:
If someone is mean, out they go, and that goes for Edg and everyone 
else. One strike, out you go. 

Curtis:
If I wanted this kind of judgment on my expression I would have 
stayed in the movement. Does the term Age of Enlightenment News 
mean anything to you?

You know, we lost Cliff Rees. That was a loss. He said he couldn't 
tolerate Judy. I would hate to lost Edg. But FFL will survive, 
sometimes more fun, sometimes less. I can't help but feel that 
Cliff cut himself off from a nice outlet. Curtis, you are so right 
on. Self discipline, not imposed discipline is what makes for a 
strong community. IMHO, Judy has much a right as anyone to express 
herself as she sees fit. 

I agree. Very few people have gotten anywhere near deserving expulsion. Tom
Pall did when he descended into racism and anti-semitism. As I said in
another post, you can control negative people by ignoring them. 


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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become

2007-08-28 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of authfriend
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:06 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become

 

 You know, we lost Cliff Rees. That was a loss. He said he
 couldn't tolerate Judy.

Those who think I drove Cliff out should go
back and reread our exchanges.

What *actually* happened was that he decided
to start beating up on me, and I fought back.

He wasn't used to getting at least as good as
he was giving--especially, I suspect, from a
woman--and *that's* what he couldn't tolerate.

That may be, but many have left because they got sick of the bickering, even
if they didn’t participate in it. You and the rest of the AMT crowd have
been valuable contributors, and I would hate to lose you, but as I recall,
FFL was a much more harmonious place before you all arrived. There must have
been some bickering, but predominantly, there were intelligent, extended
discussions on the sorts of topics outlined in the group description.


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