Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
I think your arms length comment kinda says it all, Steve. That's just what armchair seekers like Judy DO. They never actually DO anything much to further their own self discovery...they just read about other people's, and then argue about the stuff they think about it. One of the reasons that some of these armchair seekers purposefully keep from meeting the teachers they supposedly study with is that it's easier to preserve one's cherished fantasies about them if you've never met them. She did this with Maharishi, and she did it with Robin. She can continue to believe all the fantasies she's developed about both of them without fear of contradiction, because she's never exposed herself to the possibility of contradiction. Both of these guys -- or her impressions of them -- are tucked away in an elaborate fantasy cubbyhole in her mind, placed on a pedestal of honor there, and because she never has (or will) encounter the reality of them, she gets to call this fantasy truth. Anyone who disagrees with the fantasy is a liar. As has been pointed out here, Judy has arguably the *least* actual hands on spiritual experience of anyone on this forum. She's only done one short rounding course (which she, of course, considers long), she never became a teacher (and thus had to put other people's welfare ahead of her own), and she never met Maharishi. She never even met the Robin guy she claims to be the resident expert on. The only things she knows are the fantasies running around in her head. But to her those fantasies are so cherished and she *needs* them so much to keep on keepin' on that any challenge to them is perceived as a challenge to herself, her self, her very being. Challenging her idealized notions of Robin are (from her point of view) like attacking *her*, so of course she has to take them seriously. If anyone were to believe more objective points of view expressed here about the guy, they'd begin to challenge her posturing as the expert. And she simply cannot allow that. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:00 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy Excellent points. For most of us, it is just a chat room. A place to banter about. And so, it is sort of jarring when someone like Judy takes everything so seriously and personally. Like it squeezes most of the fun out of it. Of course you will never convince her of that. She views herself as the staunch upholder of truth and justice, and there is no battle too small for her to fight. Just like what she is going to say in response to this post. The internet age was made for her in some ways as it is easier to be friends with someone, or maintain an alliance when you can remain at arms length. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote: Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
On 2/12/2014 11:02 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: In the real world some people here would remain friendless and wouldn't be invited a second time to the gathering at Starbucks. It would be a strange meeting at Starbucks to be invited for coffee if you'd just been called a dumb hick, a perv, a liar, an idiot, a troll, and lower than slime and you were being shunned for your political POV and your place of birth by the group leaders. If that happened at a Starbucks up in Austin, there would be at least be some table-turning and a food fight before taking it out in the parking lot. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
That's it, Richard! I'm moving to Austin and hanging out at Starbuck's! But might visit Whole Foods now and then, just to stock up on Larabars and quinoa (-: On Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:54 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/12/2014 11:02 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: In the real world some people here would remain friendless and wouldn't be invited a second time to the gathering at Starbucks. It would be a strange meeting at Starbucks to be invited for coffee if you'd just been called a dumb hick, a perv, a liar, an idiot, a troll, and lower than slime and you were being shunned for your political POV and your place of birth by the group leaders. If that happened at a Starbucks up in Austin, there would be at least be some table-turning and a food fight before taking it out in the parking lot. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
I wonder why Barry assumes I never met Robin. So Bhairitu, you think Barry is just kidding with this post? He seems awfully wound up to me. There's always tremendous negative energy behind his demonizations of Robin or Ann or me or others he doesn't like. It's as if he was fighting for his very survival, the poor guy. He isn't kidding, but he might as well be. He styles himself as the expert on Judy Stein, but in fact he knows nothing about me other than what I've said on FFL, and he even misrepresents that. Whenever he tries to guess, he gets it wrong. This post of his is no exception. Remember what Barry said about his therapist telling him that the person suffering from NPD makes it up as they go along? If that isn't a perfect description of Barry himself, I can't imagine what is. Even Xeno admitted that Barry doesn't care anything about being truthful or accurate, and that's certainly borne out by this post, as well as countless others that preceded it. I think your arms length comment kinda says it all, Steve. That's just what armchair seekers like Judy DO. They never actually DO anything much to further their own self discovery...they just read about other people's, and then argue about the stuff they think about it. One of the reasons that some of these armchair seekers purposefully keep from meeting the teachers they supposedly study with is that it's easier to preserve one's cherished fantasies about them if you've never met them. She did this with Maharishi, and she did it with Robin. She can continue to believe all the fantasies she's developed about both of them without fear of contradiction, because she's never exposed herself to the possibility of contradiction. Both of these guys -- or her impressions of them -- are tucked away in an elaborate fantasy cubbyhole in her mind, placed on a pedestal of honor there, and because she never has (or will) encounter the reality of them, she gets to call this fantasy truth. Anyone who disagrees with the fantasy is a liar. As has been pointed out here, Judy has arguably the *least* actual hands on spiritual experience of anyone on this forum. She's only done one short rounding course (which she, of course, considers long), she never became a teacher (and thus had to put other people's welfare ahead of her own), and she never met Maharishi. She never even met the Robin guy she claims to be the resident expert on. The only things she knows are the fantasies running around in her head. But to her those fantasies are so cherished and she *needs* them so much to keep on keepin' on that any challenge to them is perceived as a challenge to herself, her self, her very being. Challenging her idealized notions of Robin are (from her point of view) like attacking *her*, so of course she has to take them seriously. If anyone were to believe more objective points of view expressed here about the guy, they'd begin to challenge her posturing as the expert. And she simply cannot allow that. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:00 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy Excellent points. For most of us, it is just a chat room. A place to banter about. And so, it is sort of jarring when someone like Judy takes everything so seriously and personally. Like it squeezes most of the fun out of it. Of course you will never convince her of that. She views herself as the staunch upholder of truth and justice, and there is no battle too small for her to fight. Just like what she is going to say in response to this post. The internet age was made for her in some ways as it is easier to be friends with someone, or maintain an alliance when you can remain at arms length. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote: Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
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On 2/12/2014 10:25 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: It's odd, isn't it, that most people here in this place for the insane nevertheless manage to get their facts straight most of the time and ground their opinions in those facts rather than in hallucinatory fantasies and deliberate distortions, especially regarding other FFLers. Doesn't mean they always get everything right, or that they're always fair, but they do make an effort. What's odd is that most of us manage to get our facts straight most of the time and ground our facts rather than hallucinatory fantasies and deliberate distortions, except Robin when he posts his parodies. It looks like Robin was deliberately posting some distortions. So, it's not easy to describe Robin in a nut shell - he seems to have come out of his trance-induction state and dealt with his psychotic break pretty well - but he is difficult to figure out. These days he seems like a nice bunch of guys. Go figure. Judy, I think you an intelligent and well-meaning person; but Curtis and Barry and even to some extent, although less passionately, Steve have identified what is wrong with you; and I think you must be courageous enough to finally examine yourself, since I, who until just now was one of your most loyal supporters have undergone an extraordinary change of heart, and have admitted to myself that you are the person in the wrong here, that Barry is right. - Masked Zebra http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/300960
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Um, yeah, except he figured nobody here was stupid enough to think he was serious, given how vanishingly unlikely it was that he would ally himself with Barry. And anyone who was that stupid who watched for signs of any rapprochement with Barry or opposition to me after that would have had a rude awakening and realize how foolish they had been. Good grief, even Barry knew it was a gag. Oh, and not to mention that when he responded to my wildly over-the-top role-playing in response to his post, he pretended to take me seriously. Not even the stupidest people would have failed to realize that what I wrote was a gag. It's odd, isn't it, that most people here in this place for the insane nevertheless manage to get their facts straight most of the time and ground their opinions in those facts rather than in hallucinatory fantasies and deliberate distortions, especially regarding other FFLers. Doesn't mean they always get everything right, or that they're always fair, but they do make an effort. What's odd is that most of us manage to get our facts straight most of the time and ground our facts rather than hallucinatory fantasies and deliberate distortions, except Robin when he posts his parodies. It looks like Robin was deliberately posting some distortions. So, it's not easy to describe Robin in a nut shell - he seems to have come out of his trance-induction state and dealt with his psychotic break pretty well - but he is difficult to figure out. These days he seems like a nice bunch of guys. Go figure. Judy, I think you an intelligent and well-meaning person; but Curtis and Barry and even to some extent, although less passionately, Steve have identified what is wrong with you; and I think you must be courageous enough to finally examine yourself, since I, who until just now was one of your most loyal supporters have undergone an extraordinary change of heart, and have admitted to myself that you are the person in the wrong here, that Barry is right. - Masked Zebra http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/300960 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/300960
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy
What's funny about this is that I posted my comment yesterday morning and it only showed up on the web site in the evening. It came through by mail yesterday morning. The NSA must be really busy these days. :-D Perhaps it depends on one's pedigree. Some folks I met during my time in TM apparently went to finishing schools and their gatherings were a bit snobbish if not uncomfortable. I would guess they would not feel comfortable at one of my anything goes table chats at Starbucks. On 02/12/2014 09:02 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: I like to think of this place as if we are sitting around a table at Starbucks. First off, most folks at the table wouldn't get so wound up on assertions because they would know the asserter is just kidding them. And we would hope that before someone replied they didn't say, just a minute as they looked up something online on their phone or tablet. That would be a really bogged down conversation, hmm. :-D I would like to think if we were all sitting at Starbucks together we would have enough respect for each other that we would be willing to reveal enough of what is real and true about ourselves in a way that does not infringe, compromise or inappropriately offend others. It would also be nice to think that the parameters that bind us when we are together in person are not different from how we would conduct ourselves online. Many times I feel some take liberties via internet forums that they would not so readily adopt in person. Or, at least, I certainly hope they wouldn't adopt in 3D because some here need to learn some real manners. In the real world some people here would remain friendless and wouldn't be invited a second time to the gathering at Starbucks. On 02/12/2014 07:39 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote: Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
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We know you cut the cable as far as TV is concerned. Did you dump TWC for broadband too? Comcast wants to gobble it up if you've been paying attention to the news. The Roberts family must want to own the world. On 02/13/2014 06:54 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 2/12/2014 11:02 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: In the real world some people here would remain friendless and wouldn't be invited a second time to the gathering at Starbucks. It would be a strange meeting at Starbucks to be invited for coffee if you'd just been called a dumb hick, a perv, a liar, an idiot, a troll, and lower than slime and you were being shunned for your political POV and your place of birth by the group leaders. If that happened at a Starbucks up in Austin, there would be at least be some table-turning and a food fight before taking it out in the parking lot. Go figure.
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We could all meet at Starbucks in Austin and get those YouTube people down here to film it and put it online. It would be an interesting meeting but seriously, I doubt if Judy would be invited and still get all the others to show up for the meeting. But, assuming she did show up, after Barry started the yelling and Buck upset the table, I don't see anyone defending her - maybe if Ann wore her boots she might try kicking Share in the shin or something. Go figure. But, seriously I can see Mike Dixon maybe slinging some mashed potatoes at Judy and I'm pretty sure MJ would get a pie in his face hole. There's no telling what Xeno or Curtis would do. I don't know if I could resist tripping someone like Robin as they tried to run out the door to the parking lot. I'd hope that people would come to their senses before someone had to call the cops and a bambulance. LoL! On 2/13/2014 9:22 AM, Share Long wrote: That's it, Richard! I'm moving to Austin and hanging out at Starbuck's! But might visit Whole Foods now and then, just to stock up on Larabars and quinoa (-: On Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:54 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/12/2014 11:02 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com mailto:awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: In the real world some people here would remain friendless and wouldn't be invited a second time to the gathering at Starbucks. It would be a strange meeting at Starbucks to be invited for coffee if you'd just been called a dumb hick, a perv, a liar, an idiot, a troll, and lower than slime and you were being shunned for your political POV and your place of birth by the group leaders. If that happened at a Starbucks up in Austin, there would be at least be some table-turning and a food fight before taking it out in the parking lot. Go figure.
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On 2/13/2014 11:55 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Did you dump TWC for broadband too? We've still got the ATT DSL at the place in San Antonio. When we move to Austin we will get on the fiber optic. Go figure.
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On 2/13/2014 3:04 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Judy has arguably the *least* actual hands on spiritual experience of anyone on this forum. Maybe that's to Judy's credit - she was not as gullible as you were for example, donating thousands of dollars to MMY and to the Rama guy - spending half of your adult life working to promote a simple set of relaxation techniques. If what you say is true, ou've got very little to show for all your money and time. Are you as light as a feather? Can you fly, hover or fill whole rooms with golden light?
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U-Verse or something else? Did I read that they are doing a community fiber in Austin? I have U-Verse and the fiber terminates about 1/2 block away so it is copper from there to the pole. Not much of any problem but it is overpriced. They should have done community fiber here but we would have needed a hipper city council for that. On 02/13/2014 12:35 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 2/13/2014 11:55 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Did you dump TWC for broadband too? We've still got the ATT DSL at the place in San Antonio. When we move to Austin we will get on the fiber optic. Go figure.
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YouTube people is us. You have a smart phone with a camera don't you? My phone takes 1080p HD and has a wide angle lens (instead of a 52mm standard like point and shoots). I also have other HD cameras. I suspect that folks who read like they would kill each other on FFL would just be laughing together. On 02/13/2014 11:52 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: We could all meet at Starbucks in Austin and get those YouTube people down here to film it and put it online. It would be an interesting meeting but seriously, I doubt if Judy would be invited and still get all the others to show up for the meeting. But, assuming she did show up, after Barry started the yelling and Buck upset the table, I don't see anyone defending her - maybe if Ann wore her boots she might try kicking Share in the shin or something. Go figure. But, seriously I can see Mike Dixon maybe slinging some mashed potatoes at Judy and I'm pretty sure MJ would get a pie in his face hole. There's no telling what Xeno or Curtis would do. I don't know if I could resist tripping someone like Robin as they tried to run out the door to the parking lot. I'd hope that people would come to their senses before someone had to call the cops and a bambulance. LoL! On 2/13/2014 9:22 AM, Share Long wrote: That's it, Richard! I'm moving to Austin and hanging out at Starbuck's! But might visit Whole Foods now and then, just to stock up on Larabars and quinoa (-: On Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:54 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/12/2014 11:02 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com mailto:awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: In the real world some people here would remain friendless and wouldn't be invited a second time to the gathering at Starbucks. It would be a strange meeting at Starbucks to be invited for coffee if you'd just been called a dumb hick, a perv, a liar, an idiot, a troll, and lower than slime and you were being shunned for your political POV and your place of birth by the group leaders. If that happened at a Starbucks up in Austin, there would be at least be some table-turning and a food fight before taking it out in the parking lot. Go figure.
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noozguru and Richard, if youtube is us, then why the heck can't I find what I just posted there? Mr first youtube and I can't even figure out how to find it! Go figure! On Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:34 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: YouTube people is us. You have a smart phone with a camera don't you? My phone takes 1080p HD and has a wide angle lens (instead of a 52mm standard like point and shoots). I also have other HD cameras. I suspect that folks who read like they would kill each other on FFL would just be laughing together. On 02/13/2014 11:52 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: We could all meet at Starbucks in Austin and get those YouTube people down here to film it and put it online. It would be an interesting meeting but seriously, I doubt if Judy would be invited and still get all the others to show up for the meeting. But, assuming she did show up, after Barry started the yelling and Buck upset the table, I don't see anyone defending her - maybe if Ann wore her boots she might try kicking Share in the shin or something. Go figure. But, seriously I can see Mike Dixon maybe slinging some mashed potatoes at Judy and I'm pretty sure MJ would get a pie in his face hole. There's no telling what Xeno or Curtis would do. I don't know if I could resist tripping someone like Robin as they tried to run out the door to the parking lot. I'd hope that people would come to their senses before someone had to call the cops and a bambulance. LoL! On 2/13/2014 9:22 AM, Share Long wrote: That's it, Richard! I'm moving to Austin and hanging out at Starbuck's! But might visit Whole Foods now and then, just to stock up on Larabars and quinoa (-: On Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:54 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/12/2014 11:02 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: In the real world some people here would remain friendless and wouldn't be invited a second time to the gathering at Starbucks. It would be a strange meeting at Starbucks to be invited for coffee if you'd just been called a dumb hick, a perv, a liar, an idiot, a troll, and lower than slime and you were being shunned for your political POV and your place of birth by the group leaders. If that happened at a Starbucks up in Austin, there would be at least be some table-turning and a food fight before taking it out in the parking lot. Go figure.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: What's funny about this is that I posted my comment yesterday morning and it only showed up on the web site in the evening. It came through by mail yesterday morning. The NSA must be really busy these days. :-D Perhaps it depends on one's pedigree. Some folks I met during my time in TM apparently went to finishing schools and their gatherings were a bit snobbish if not uncomfortable. I would guess they would not feel comfortable at one of my anything goes table chats at Starbucks. What a funny concept, finishing schools are. I think you are dating yourself by bringing them up. Most people born after 1970 wouldn't know what you meant by that term. I am pretty sure no one currently at FFL ever went to one and as for pedigrees, those are for dogs and farm animals. On 02/12/2014 09:02 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote: I like to think of this place as if we are sitting around a table at Starbucks. First off, most folks at the table wouldn't get so wound up on assertions because they would know the asserter is just kidding them. And we would hope that before someone replied they didn't say, just a minute as they looked up something online on their phone or tablet. That would be a really bogged down conversation, hmm. :-D I would like to think if we were all sitting at Starbucks together we would have enough respect for each other that we would be willing to reveal enough of what is real and true about ourselves in a way that does not infringe, compromise or inappropriately offend others. It would also be nice to think that the parameters that bind us when we are together in person are not different from how we would conduct ourselves online. Many times I feel some take liberties via internet forums that they would not so readily adopt in person. Or, at least, I certainly hope they wouldn't adopt in 3D because some here need to learn some real manners. In the real world some people here would remain friendless and wouldn't be invited a second time to the gathering at Starbucks. On 02/12/2014 07:39 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote: Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: I wonder why Barry assumes I never met Robin. So Bhairitu, you think Barry is just kidding with this post? He seems awfully wound up to me. There's always tremendous negative energy behind his demonizations of Robin or Ann or me or others he doesn't like. It's as if he was fighting for his very survival, the poor guy. He isn't kidding, but he might as well be. He styles himself as the expert on Judy Stein, but in fact he knows nothing about me other than what I've said on FFL, and he even misrepresents that. Whenever he tries to guess, he gets it wrong. This post of his is no exception. Remember what Barry said about his therapist telling him that the person suffering from NPD makes it up as they go along? If that isn't a perfect description of Barry himself, I can't imagine what is. Even Xeno admitted that Barry doesn't care anything about being truthful or accurate, and that's certainly borne out by this post, as well as countless others that preceded it. I think your arms length comment kinda says it all, Steve. That's just what armchair seekers like Judy DO. They never actually DO anything much to further their own self discovery...they just read about other people's, and then argue about the stuff they think about it. One of the reasons that some of these armchair seekers purposefully keep from meeting the teachers they supposedly study with is that it's easier to preserve one's cherished fantasies about them if you've never met them. She did this with Maharishi, and she did it with Robin. She can continue to believe all the fantasies she's developed about both of them without fear of contradiction, because she's never exposed herself to the possibility of contradiction. Both of these guys -- or her impressions of them -- are tucked away in an elaborate fantasy cubbyhole in her mind, placed on a pedestal of honor there, and because she never has (or will) encounter the reality of them, she gets to call this fantasy truth. Anyone who disagrees with the fantasy is a liar. As has been pointed out here, Judy has arguably the *least* actual hands on spiritual experience of anyone on this forum. She's only done one short rounding course (which she, of course, considers long), she never became a teacher (and thus had to put other people's welfare ahead of her own), and she never met Maharishi. She never even met the Robin guy she claims to be the resident expert on. The only things she knows are the fantasies running around in her head. But to her those fantasies are so cherished and she *needs* them so much to keep on keepin' on that any challenge to them is perceived as a challenge to herself, her self, her very being. Challenging her idealized notions of Robin are (from her point of view) like attacking *her*, so of course she has to take them seriously. If anyone were to believe more objective points of view expressed here about the guy, they'd begin to challenge her posturing as the expert. And she simply cannot allow that. Barry you are such an outstandingly boring boor. Give us something to want to read about, step it up, man. You make me positively snooze with your same old, same old. Are you really this uninteresting? Is it possible anyone can find it fulfilling to continually write like you do about the things that you do? Are you really so bereft of originality and is your concern with making shit up about the same old person you have been obsessed with for all these years still your primary life's drive? Thank God you truly are a freak of nature. More than one of you per 100 square miles would be grounds for dropping some sort of nuclear warhead on the area. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:00 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's The Following as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy Excellent points. For most of us, it is just a chat room. A place to banter about. And so, it is sort of jarring when someone like Judy takes everything so seriously and personally. Like it squeezes most of the fun out of it. Of course you will never convince her of that. She views herself as the staunch upholder of truth and justice, and there is no battle too small for her to fight. Just like what she is going to say in response to this post. The internet age was made for her in some ways as it is easier to be friends with someone, or maintain an alliance when you can remain at arms length. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote: Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to
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On 2/12/2014 9:39 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be? This place is supposed to be for sharing information about life experiences and views, but nothing posted here should be taken seriously. There are no scientists posting here that I know of. There used to be an educator Ph.D. psychologist posting here and there was a clinical NP (nurse practioner) posting here at one time. Back in the old days, we used to depend on Rick and Alex to tell us what's going on in Fairfield. But, these days we've got some real informants here who are on the inside of the TMO - so we know all about the comings-and-goings of the TMers up there at MUM, inside the golden domes, and at the Revelations Cafe Book Store. Apparently everyone in town gets their pizza and coffee beans at Revelations downtown on Main Street. You can safely ignore most of the posts of the ex-baker and the expat. There are only a few people posting on-topic messages here these days: Buck, Share, Lawson and Judy. Go figure.
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Correction: Some people get their coffee beans at Revelations and some people get their coffee at Cafe Paridiso, in Fairfield, IA. [image: Inline image 2] http://kartikasays.com/category/life-in-fairfield-iowa/ . On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: On 2/12/2014 9:39 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be? This place is supposed to be for sharing information about life experiences and views, but nothing posted here should be taken seriously. There are no scientists posting here that I know of. There used to be an educator Ph.D. psychologist posting here and there was a clinical NP (nurse practioner) posting here at one time. Back in the old days, we used to depend on Rick and Alex to tell us what's going on in Fairfield. But, these days we've got some real informants here who are on the inside of the TMO - so we know all about the comings-and-goings of the TMers up there at MUM, inside the golden domes, and at the Revelations Cafe Book Store. Apparently everyone in town gets their pizza and coffee beans at Revelations downtown on Main Street. You can safely ignore most of the posts of the ex-baker and the expat. There are only a few people posting on-topic messages here these days: Buck, Share, Lawson and Judy. Go figure.
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On 2/12/2014 8:00 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: And so, it is sort of jarring when someone like Judy takes everything so seriously and personally. Nothing posted here should be taken seriously. Go figure.
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I like to think of this place as if we are sitting around a table at Starbucks. First off, most folks at the table wouldn't get so wound up on assertions because they would know the asserter is just kidding them. And we would hope that before someone replied they didn't say, just a minute as they looked up something online on their phone or tablet. That would be a really bogged down conversation, hmm. :-D On 02/12/2014 07:39 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: I like to think of this place as if we are sitting around a table at Starbucks. First off, most folks at the table wouldn't get so wound up on assertions because they would know the asserter is just kidding them. And we would hope that before someone replied they didn't say, just a minute as they looked up something online on their phone or tablet. That would be a really bogged down conversation, hmm. :-D I would like to think if we were all sitting at Starbucks together we would have enough respect for each other that we would be willing to reveal enough of what is real and true about ourselves in a way that does not infringe, compromise or inappropriately offend others. It would also be nice to think that the parameters that bind us when we are together in person are not different from how we would conduct ourselves online. Many times I feel some take liberties via internet forums that they would not so readily adopt in person. Or, at least, I certainly hope they wouldn't adopt in 3D because some here need to learn some real manners. In the real world some people here would remain friendless and wouldn't be invited a second time to the gathering at Starbucks. On 02/12/2014 07:39 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote: Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
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On 02/11/2014 09:26 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I was raised to not let anyone bully me. So in the late 1960s when there were all kinds of cult leader types I just blew them off. When Robin showed up here you may recall I told him in a message to break up his wall of words as I felt that people might be interested in what he had to say. To me a wall of words shows worse than misspellings that the writer is ignorant or poorly educated. */It's not necessarily an education thang. Some people are simply not aware of the short attention spans of Internet- and soundbyte-impaired readers these days. They find it almost impossible to read a Wall Of Words. Therefore, if you wish to communicate, you use shorter paragraphs. However, according to my friend the psychiatrist who is an expert on Narcissistic Personality Disorder, writing in Wall Of Words style -- especially when you see it happening in someone who has been well educated -- is one of the key markers they look for when diagnosing NPD. Wall Of Words writers don't CARE if they're communicating, and neither do NPD writers. /* Breaking distinctly different ideas into separate paragraphs is just considered good grammar. Sadly, many of us grew up with shitty English teachers who made mastering grammar difficult. When I was in the 9th grade we finally had a decent English who decided to teach us country bumpkins how to really write teaching us grammar, metaphors, allegories, etc and making the subjects fun. Then at one point he went off on one of my posts and finished by saying now tell me you love me. I thought wha...? Rather than berate such cult leader like behavior I treated it like a joke and told him how funny he was. That seemed to throw him off his game. :-D I feel sorry for someone who can't shed the need to feel important. There may indeed be no cure for someone with severe NPD. When someone dares order me around in person I just stare at them. That really fucks them up. */We're both lucky in having avoided the Boss Syndrome for much of our lives. There is a certain freedom in being a consultant that helps when dealing with life's Petty Tyrants. My friend the shrink was familiar with the works of Carlos Castaneda, and he referred to Carlos' descriptions of the Petty Tyrant often when teaching me about NPD. /* So far I haven't been arrested and yes I do stand up to cops. I think we are seeing the rescue the puppy syndrome here. A bunch of women who thought they could help Robin. He seemed to be beyond help or not care. Or maybe just accepted his situation (like Sam Vakim). On 02/11/2014 12:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I'm glad I went back to check out the remaining episodes of season one of The Following on Netflix. I had bailed after episode three because it seemed to formulaic. Perhaps Bacon was thinking that too as the storylines improved over the remainder of the season. But now I'm caught up on the first three episodes of season two they are pushing the envelope farther. */Glad to hear it...I think it's an interesting series. Naturally, given the three-year tutelage I spent talking with my psychiatrist friend in Santa Fe who used to specialize in NPD (before he gave it up, experience having taught him that the disorder was untreatable), I think the series kinda nails it. Also naturally, I see some strong parallels between the TV show and what's going on lately on Fairfield Life. My friend understood immediately my interest in his former specialty, and spend considerable time talking with me and giving me textbooks to read about NPD, so that we could discuss my particular interest -- NPD and how it relates to the spiritual teacher or faux spiritual teacher. They were great discussions, and I learned much from them. Now, of course, the Joe Carroll character in The Following is not a one-to-one match for Robin Carlsen (or Rama, or any of the other NPD-impaired teachers we discussed). Joe is a true psychopath, one who has allowed such free rein to his NPD that he's become a mass murderer. But it's all three of their *tactics* when dealing with their followers that interests me, and in which I see a strong parallel. The person with NPD doesn't *have* a fixed history or story. He or she *makes it up as they go along*. They *tailor* what they say to what the follower or prospective follower wants to hear, telling them things that they can't tell anyone else, making them feel special, as if no one really understands them the way that the person being talked or written to does. Many people -- desperate for attention and specialness -- fall for this routine, and actually *believe* the stories being told to them. But none of them are true. They're just tactics to get -- and keep -- another
