Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)

[Emily Reyn]

Only funny because Judy and I traded links to *Bruch* earlier in the week and 
then completely separately I sent a link to Perry Como singing *Kol Nidrei* to 
Curtis and then you sent a link to *Bruch's Kol Nidrei* - see the connection?  
It was just a funny coincidence...or was it?  Ha.



 From: merudanda 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 4:57 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)
 

  
funny?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>
> Merudanda, thank you for sending this.  How funny that Bruch composed Kol 
> Nidrei.  I had no idea.  
> 
> 
> 
>  From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:12 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)
> 
> 
>   
> dear Emily
> there is no secret everybody know you are a gem here at the Fairy Field 
> Life(forever)
> always love your post and the genuine feeling behind
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mgaICZS79Y
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHwINCeAr38&feature=related
> just want you to know
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote:
> >
> > Curtis, I googled your name just now...just your name...and nothing came up 
> > in the top 10 but the music that you play and the work that you do.  
> > 
> > Having said that, I watched the scene play out last weekend.  I saw you 
> > post statements indicating you trying to reconcile the concepts of internet 
> > freedom and freedom of expression with your personal feelings of being 
> > targeted with repeat statements on FFL that contained words that you felt 
> > could harm you professionally and personally.  I watched you decide to 
> > stand up "by yourself" and not buy in to the larger call of individual 
> > posters for a "sin resolution," or stricter rules, or forward and promote 
> > an FFL descent into a mob mentality. I read you at face value and decided 
> > not to describe your overall strategy as "devious" or "deceptive" or the 
> > like - not in this case, at least.  I noted your post of the SNL skit to 
> > defuse the tension with humor.  I read the statement you came up with in 
> > defense of yourself.  I read your post after Ravi was dismissed.  I read 
> > Robin's post to Ravi and Ravi's response, which was an almost perfect 
> > reflection of
> >  Robin's post, IMO.
> > 
> > Without assigning intent to Ravi's behavior or trying to deduce his mental 
> > state and without condemning him or you, I understand you deciding to 
> > protect and stand up for yourself ( and in the context of the overall 
> > situation and given its length).  We all have that right and no one should 
> > be afraid to state their reality, regardless of what others think or how it 
> > is interpreted.  That's one of the great things about FFL - it challenges 
> > one's reality and one's belief system (at least it does mine) and that 
> > process can't occur if one is afraid to post or is in defense mode all the 
> > time.  My personal feeling is that Ravi could have made all of his points 
> > to you, even repeatedly, by altering his approach only minimally and he 
> > would still be here. He chose not to - stating more than once that he was 
> > "in complete control" and also "that he couldn't help it." The reality is 
> > likely in the middle somewhere, but in the end, regardless of whether in 
> > person he
>  is
> >  a loving and kind and humble human being, his persona and behavior here 
> > towards you crossed a line you finally felt you had to hold.  I understand 
> > that kind of decision and there are no real winners. As compared to the 
> > world at large, the free speech allowed and encouraged here is an enormous 
> > gift to its participants and FFL celebrates this philosophy daily.  I am 
> > glad that you didn't unsubscribe.  
> > 
> > For those who assume that I have "switched sides" - I was never on a 
> > "side."  I recognize and appreciate all that Ravi did for me and I don't 
> > think any less of him. This doesn't mean that I can't also feel for the 
> > position that Curtis and others were in, based on his internet behavior 
> > towards them.  It doesn't mean that he didn't have some great insights and 
> > push all of us to explore our humanness and the pitfalls of hypocritical 
> > behavior and dishonesty and judgment or concepts of love and pain, etc.
> > 
> > Perry Como singing Kol Nidre - yes, it's a little early for Yom Kippur / 
> > the Day of Atonement, but I like the concept in the larger context of 
> > self-reflection (even though I am not Jewish) and it is a beautiful song 
> > sung by a beautiful voice.  
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY6i6SobW6M
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)

[Emily Reyn]

Curtis, that was great - thanks for sending.  I also liked Kill the Old Grey 
Mule.  So, I was trying to look Belton up..not much out there but found this 
writeup from Alan Lomax's recording efforts which is pretty good. I liked Kill 
the Old Grey Mule as well.  

I'm going to have to see this documentary - gives me a reason to buy a TV that 
actually works.

"The land where the blues began."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4AX2wZAiWs


From:  Visual Anthropology Review Volume 17 Number 2 Fall-Winter 2001-2002 17 

"More important than recording technique was Alan’s (Lomax)
intuition; he was gifted with exceptional taste in music.
He could quickly find the best performers, the most
important songs, and the most remarkable performances.
He was never able to explain it, and was irritated
to be questioned on the subject. I suspect that in addition
to responding to the music, Alan picked up kinesic clues
from the audience that validated his perceptions.


Once in Mississippi in the mid-1980s, after it
became known that we were filming, performers would
find us and play for Alan. He told me the worst ones
come forward, the community pushes the better ones
forward, and the phenomenal ones sulk in the background
until you notice them. A few days later, on the
last day of the trip, we had been filming all day and most
of the night, when Alan noticed a man with a guitar
scowling at us. Alan asked him to sing, and Belton
Sutherland sat down and gave us two songs. We had
never heard of him before and never heard of him after,
but his rough guitar and expectorated lyric—kill the old
grey mule, burn down a white man’s barn—is one of
the most emotional moments in the film The Land Where
the Blues Began.





From: curtisdeltablues 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 5:31 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>
> If you feel inspired at any point, post some blues or bluesy / jazzy 
> pieces...only the enlightened ones of course :)

This is as enlightened as it gets.  Thanks for asking:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6jjNRUqPxg&feature=related

> 
> Signed - MusicbeggarsRus
> 
> 
> 
>  From: curtisdeltablues 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 2:34 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)
> 
> 
>   
> Hi Emily,
> 
> Thanks for such a sincere post.  I appreciate it.  What he achieved was to 
> link the two words only. My single name is fine.  Given his interest in me 
> offline, which I have not detailed, it was heading nowhere good.  But I am 
> optimistic that I dodged a bullet and am gunna be just fine.  It was a 
> wake-up call for me though. I'll never let things go that far again here. 
> 
> It was fortunate for me that he simultaneously decided to go after someone 
> else's real name that day.  That was what tipped the scale or we would not be 
> having this chat right now.
> 
> I don't share your view of his value or insights but if you got something 
> good from him, more power to you.  I suspect without all the enlightenment 
> story he wouldn't have lasted so long.  I can't see an atheist coming on this 
> board and communicating with people that way and getting away with it.
> 
> There was no devious strategy, I was tying to survive it day by day and was 
> learning as I went along. Ultimately he was just some dude with a computer 
> who wished me ill.  And fortunately for me he shot himself in the foot.  I 
> really enjoy not seeing F and MF bombs lobbed my way each morning when I 
> check in. It seems much more sane.
> 
> I appreciate what you are saying about not feeling limited to any "side".  I 
> couldn't agree more. I appreciate the feeling of your post.
> 
> My dad traded Christmas cards with Perry Como till he died.  It was one of 
> those celebrity kindnesses that he did off of some casual contact, but it 
> made my dad feel very special.  Thanks for posting that.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
> >
> > Curtis, I googled your name just now...just your name...and nothing came up 
> > in the top 10 but the music that you play and the work that you do.  
> > 
> > Having said that, I watched the scene play out last weekend.  I saw you 
> > post statements indicating you trying to reconcile the concepts of internet 
> > freedom and freedom of expression with your personal feelings of being 
> > targeted with repeat statements on FFL that contained words that you felt 
> > could harm you professionally and personally.  I watched you decide to 
> > stand up "by yourself" and not buy in to the larger call of individual 
> > posters for a "sin resolution," or stricter rules, or forward and promote 
> > an FFL descent into a mob mentality. I read you at face value and decided 
> > not to des

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)

[Emily Reyn]

Merudanda, thank you for sending this.  How funny that Bruch composed Kol 
Nidrei.  I had no idea.  



 From: merudanda 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:12 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)
 

  
dear Emily
there is no secret everybody know you are a gem here at the Fairy Field 
Life(forever)
always love your post and the genuine feeling behind

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mgaICZS79Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHwINCeAr38&feature=related
just want you to know

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>
> Curtis, I googled your name just now...just your name...and nothing came up 
> in the top 10 but the music that you play and the work that you do.  
> 
> Having said that, I watched the scene play out last weekend.  I saw you post 
> statements indicating you trying to reconcile the concepts of internet 
> freedom and freedom of expression with your personal feelings of being 
> targeted with repeat statements on FFL that contained words that you felt 
> could harm you professionally and personally.  I watched you decide to stand 
> up "by yourself" and not buy in to the larger call of individual posters for 
> a "sin resolution," or stricter rules, or forward and promote an FFL descent 
> into a mob mentality. I read you at face value and decided not to describe 
> your overall strategy as "devious" or "deceptive" or the like - not in this 
> case, at least.  I noted your post of the SNL skit to defuse the tension with 
> humor.  I read the statement you came up with in defense of yourself.  I read 
> your post after Ravi was dismissed.  I read Robin's post to Ravi and Ravi's 
> response, which was an almost perfect reflection of
>  Robin's post, IMO.
> 
> Without assigning intent to Ravi's behavior or trying to deduce his mental 
> state and without condemning him or you, I understand you deciding to protect 
> and stand up for yourself ( and in the context of the overall situation and 
> given its length).  We all have that right and no one should be afraid to 
> state their reality, regardless of what others think or how it is 
> interpreted.  That's one of the great things about FFL - it challenges one's 
> reality and one's belief system (at least it does mine) and that process 
> can't occur if one is afraid to post or is in defense mode all the time.  My 
> personal feeling is that Ravi could have made all of his points to you, even 
> repeatedly, by altering his approach only minimally and he would still be 
> here. He chose not to - stating more than once that he was "in complete 
> control" and also "that he couldn't help it." The reality is likely in the 
> middle somewhere, but in the end, regardless of whether in person he
 is
>  a loving and kind and humble human being, his persona and behavior here 
> towards you crossed a line you finally felt you had to hold.  I understand 
> that kind of decision and there are no real winners. As compared to the world 
> at large, the free speech allowed and encouraged here is an enormous gift to 
> its participants and FFL celebrates this philosophy daily.  I am glad that 
> you didn't unsubscribe.  
> 
> For those who assume that I have "switched sides" - I was never on a "side."  
> I recognize and appreciate all that Ravi did for me and I don't think any 
> less of him. This doesn't mean that I can't also feel for the position that 
> Curtis and others were in, based on his internet behavior towards them.  It 
> doesn't mean that he didn't have some great insights and push all of us to 
> explore our humanness and the pitfalls of hypocritical behavior and 
> dishonesty and judgment or concepts of love and pain, etc.
> 
> Perry Como singing Kol Nidre - yes, it's a little early for Yom Kippur / the 
> Day of Atonement, but I like the concept in the larger context of 
> self-reflection (even though I am not Jewish) and it is a beautiful song sung 
> by a beautiful voice.  
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY6i6SobW6M
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 8:54 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
> 
> 
>   
> -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > Excuse me, I would like to make a comment. : )
> > Blaming Ravi by saying he was bringing your posts to the Google top list by 
> > his tech savy talents using your name and the "P," word is absolutely 
> > preposterous. As if his whole purpose was to harm you.
> 
> Then we differ in our opinion about the actions of a tech professional that 
> ended in the factual statement I made.
> 
> > He was playing with you, rather as the Zebra put it like a child, but that 
> > is all he was doing.  I know he had no intentional malice, the legal term.  
> > If you feel this is what he 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)

[Emily Reyn]

If you feel inspired at any point, post some blues or bluesy / jazzy 
pieces...only the enlightened ones of course :)

Signed - MusicbeggarsRus



 From: curtisdeltablues 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 2:34 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)
 

  
Hi Emily,

Thanks for such a sincere post.  I appreciate it.  What he achieved was to link 
the two words only. My single name is fine.  Given his interest in me offline, 
which I have not detailed, it was heading nowhere good.  But I am optimistic 
that I dodged a bullet and am gunna be just fine.  It was a wake-up call for me 
though. I'll never let things go that far again here. 

It was fortunate for me that he simultaneously decided to go after someone 
else's real name that day.  That was what tipped the scale or we would not be 
having this chat right now.

I don't share your view of his value or insights but if you got something good 
from him, more power to you.  I suspect without all the enlightenment story he 
wouldn't have lasted so long.  I can't see an atheist coming on this board and 
communicating with people that way and getting away with it.

There was no devious strategy, I was tying to survive it day by day and was 
learning as I went along. Ultimately he was just some dude with a computer who 
wished me ill.  And fortunately for me he shot himself in the foot.  I really 
enjoy not seeing F and MF bombs lobbed my way each morning when I check in. It 
seems much more sane.

I appreciate what you are saying about not feeling limited to any "side".  I 
couldn't agree more. I appreciate the feeling of your post.

My dad traded Christmas cards with Perry Como till he died.  It was one of 
those celebrity kindnesses that he did off of some casual contact, but it made 
my dad feel very special.  Thanks for posting that.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>
> Curtis, I googled your name just now...just your name...and nothing came up 
> in the top 10 but the music that you play and the work that you do.  
> 
> Having said that, I watched the scene play out last weekend.  I saw you post 
> statements indicating you trying to reconcile the concepts of internet 
> freedom and freedom of expression with your personal feelings of being 
> targeted with repeat statements on FFL that contained words that you felt 
> could harm you professionally and personally.  I watched you decide to stand 
> up "by yourself" and not buy in to the larger call of individual posters for 
> a "sin resolution," or stricter rules, or forward and promote an FFL descent 
> into a mob mentality. I read you at face value and decided not to describe 
> your overall strategy as "devious" or "deceptive" or the like - not in this 
> case, at least.  I noted your post of the SNL skit to defuse the tension 
> with humor.  I read the statement you came up with in defense of yourself. 
>  I read your post after Ravi was dismissed.  I read Robin's post to Ravi 
> and Ravi's response, which was an almost perfect
 reflection of
>  Robin's post, IMO.
> 
> Without assigning intent to Ravi's behavior or trying to deduce his mental 
> state and without condemning him or you, I understand you deciding to protect 
> and stand up for yourself ( and in the context of the overall situation and 
> given its length).  We all have that right and no one should be afraid to 
> state their reality, regardless of what others think or how it is 
> interpreted.  That's one of the great things about FFL - it challenges one's 
> reality and one's belief system (at least it does mine) and that process 
> can't occur if one is afraid to post or is in defense mode all the time.  My 
> personal feeling is that Ravi could have made all of his points to you, even 
> repeatedly, by altering his approach only minimally and he would still be 
> here. He chose not to - stating more than once that he was "in complete 
> control" and also "that he couldn't help it." The reality is likely in the 
> middle somewhere, but in the end, regardless of whether in
 person he is
>  a loving and kind and humble human being, his persona and behavior here 
> towards you crossed a line you finally felt you had to hold.  I understand 
> that kind of decision and there are no real winners. As compared to the 
> world at large, the free speech allowed and encouraged here is an enormous 
> gift to its participants and FFL celebrates this philosophy daily.  I am 
> glad that you didn't unsubscribe.  
> 
> For those who assume that I have "switched sides" - I was never on a "side." 
>  I recognize and appreciate all that Ravi did for me and I don't think any 
> less of him. This doesn't mean that I can't also feel for the position that 
> Curtis and others were in, based on his internet behavior towards them.  It 
> doesn't mean that he didn't have some great insights and push all of us to 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts (Curtis)

[Emily Reyn]

Curtis, I googled your name just now...just your name...and nothing came up in 
the top 10 but the music that you play and the work that you do.  

Having said that, I watched the scene play out last weekend.  I saw you post 
statements indicating you trying to reconcile the concepts of internet freedom 
and freedom of expression with your personal feelings of being targeted with 
repeat statements on FFL that contained words that you felt could harm you 
professionally and personally.  I watched you decide to stand up "by yourself" 
and not buy in to the larger call of individual posters for a "sin resolution," 
or stricter rules, or forward and promote an FFL descent into a mob mentality. 
I read you at face value and decided not to describe your overall strategy as 
"devious" or "deceptive" or the like - not in this case, at least.  I noted 
your post of the SNL skit to defuse the tension with humor.  I read the 
statement you came up with in defense of yourself.  I read your post after Ravi 
was dismissed.  I read Robin's post to Ravi and Ravi's response, which was an 
almost perfect reflection of
 Robin's post, IMO.

Without assigning intent to Ravi's behavior or trying to deduce his mental 
state and without condemning him or you, I understand you deciding to protect 
and stand up for yourself ( and in the context of the overall situation and 
given its length).  We all have that right and no one should be afraid to state 
their reality, regardless of what others think or how it is interpreted.  
That's one of the great things about FFL - it challenges one's reality and 
one's belief system (at least it does mine) and that process can't occur if one 
is afraid to post or is in defense mode all the time.  My personal feeling is 
that Ravi could have made all of his points to you, even repeatedly, by 
altering his approach only minimally and he would still be here. He chose not 
to - stating more than once that he was "in complete control" and also "that he 
couldn't help it." The reality is likely in the middle somewhere, but in the 
end, regardless of whether in person he is
 a loving and kind and humble human being, his persona and behavior here 
towards you crossed a line you finally felt you had to hold.  I understand that 
kind of decision and there are no real winners. As compared to the world at 
large, the free speech allowed and encouraged here is an enormous gift to its 
participants and FFL celebrates this philosophy daily.  I am glad that you 
didn't unsubscribe.  

For those who assume that I have "switched sides" - I was never on a "side."  I 
recognize and appreciate all that Ravi did for me and I don't think any less of 
him. This doesn't mean that I can't also feel for the position that Curtis and 
others were in, based on his internet behavior towards them.  It doesn't mean 
that he didn't have some great insights and push all of us to explore our 
humanness and the pitfalls of hypocritical behavior and dishonesty and judgment 
or concepts of love and pain, etc.

Perry Como singing Kol Nidre - yes, it's a little early for Yom Kippur / the 
Day of Atonement, but I like the concept in the larger context of 
self-reflection (even though I am not Jewish) and it is a beautiful song sung 
by a beautiful voice.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY6i6SobW6M




 From: curtisdeltablues 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 8:54 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
 

  
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
> Excuse me, I would like to make a comment. : )
> Blaming Ravi by saying he was bringing your posts to the Google top list by 
> his tech savy talents using your name and the "P," word is absolutely 
> preposterous. As if his whole purpose was to harm you.

Then we differ in our opinion about the actions of a tech professional that 
ended in the factual statement I made.

> He was playing with you, rather as the Zebra put it like a child, but that is 
> all he was doing.  I know he had no intentional malice, the legal term.  If 
> you feel this is what he did, why don't you write to google?  All of their 
> search results are data mined. I know this too. 

Do me a favor.  Don't ever "play" with me.  We have different standards of fun. 
So was Barry playing with you or was he being sadistic as charged?  That might 
help me clarify your standards better.  I'll CC the president on in my Google 
letter and I'm sure it will get cleared up immediately. They have a lot of time 
to spend on such requests and take them all seriously with all the research 
back up needed to sort out these issues for free. (now who is playing?)(on 
re-read perhaps I had slid into dickish territory.)

> If I wrote the word, "p," here, this too, would come up in a search. 
> This is for educational purposes only and not meant to bring "harm," to this 
> man who refers to himself as a user name c or to 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Vaj]

On Jan 14, 2012, at 11:48 AM, obbajeeba wrote:

> Vaj, you really are a FBI Agent? What is your Identification number?
> I believe you are required to give that when asked. 

../´¯/) 
,/¯../ 
...// 
./´¯/'...'/´¯¯`·¸ 
../'/...//.../¨¯\ 
('(...´...´ ¯~/'...') 
.\.'./ 
..''...\.. _.·´ 
\..( 
..\.\...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Vaj]

On Jan 14, 2012, at 11:37 AM, richardatrwilliamsdotus wrote:

> > esp. if you have children in your home. If 
> > you have an attorney, you should let them 
> > know as well.
> >
> You sound really scared. 


It was my wife who it freaked. But the police were very reassuring - that is if 
you don't mind a trace on your phones for 3 months.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Vaj]

On Jan 14, 2012, at 11:26 AM, obbajeeba wrote:

> Excuse me, I would like to make a comment. : )
> Blaming Ravi by saying he was bringing your posts to the Google top list by 
> his tech savy talents using your name and the "P," word is absolutely 
> preposterous. As if his whole purpose was to harm you. 
> He was playing with you, rather as the Zebra put it like a child, but that is 
> all he was doing. I know he had no intentional malice, the legal term. If you 
> feel this is what he did, why don't you write to google? All of their search 
> results are data mined. I know this too. 

One is forced to assume, based on his actions, that Ravi did in fact intend 
malice or that he is so out of control, he's capable of causing harm to others. 
Either way, it ain't good.

Ravi's very lucky his cyber-crimes weren't reported to authorities, that the 
police or his ex-wife were not contacted or that he wasn't served a court order 
at his place of employment.

It might also be wise to contact ex-Amma and perhaps the MA Center in CA. Such 
an unstable person should probably not be allowed within hugging distance of 
poor Amma.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Vaj]

On Jan 14, 2012, at 10:23 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:

> I wont list all the people who stuck up for me, but you all know who you are 
> and I really appreciate your kindness. The day he left was going to be my 
> last day here. Now the damage is done and I can only hope it will not have 
> its intended malicious effect. I am a sadder but wiser poster here having 
> been through that.
> 
> Word to the wise: People can say almost anything here about you with little 
> lasting consequences. But when someone is repeating a phrase, again and 
> again, it can hurt you and you need to act fast. 


They should also know that if they receive threats or death threats due to 
participation on this forum, they should contact the authorities (local police) 
ASAP, esp. if you have children in your home. If you have an attorney, you 
should let them know as well.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Emily Reyn]

Yay - I loved this movie and forgot all about it; I saw this movie when I was 
about 12 and fell in love with the music.  FFL triggers my memory - it's coming 
back which is a blessing.



 From: seventhray1 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 7:11 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
 

  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkje4FiH9Qc

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
> Obba,
> I think it is sometimes difficult to understand whether you are serious, or 
> joking. And also to understand the main point of some of your posts. Don't 
> take the replies to heart. After all the drama and back and forth of the past 
> week, we need a break. I know I am a bit irritable and sensitive, and I 
> imagine you are and Barry is too, along with everyone else.
> 
> So my suggestion is, if you can, to let this issue go and forget any words 
> that upset you. Just be genuine and be yourself. Relax.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > Dear Mr. Barry Turq,
> > I must consider the most important line of what I wrote below that was 
> > deserving of your attention, if any, that you responded with your below 
> > strange angry mood, below this post too, and this comes from my first 
> > paragraph in what you so attacked with as my needing to get a life, and you 
> > must have missed it in your quick read through, a post you found boring and 
> > uninteresting: 
> > 
> > " If the regular life as those who do not sit on forums was so full of 
> > excitement, this would not matter."
> > 
> > This obviously mattered to you, because you are projecting your own life?
> > I was only trying to rescue you. 
> > I was reaching out to you. 
> > I was trying to talk doggie talk, the language you are so cuddly with, 
> > because dogs give unconditional love and licks and wags as long as 
> > "Master," feeds them. The dog owner, the controller of what he can not get 
> > from either male or female human, by touch of the skin, caress or kiss. 
> > 
> > The matter, came to one who does only sit on forums and is not exciting in 
> > anyway, I am sure. Woof, woof, woof.
> > 
> > All that mattered, was that one line, and you took the bait and showed your 
> > inner selfish love for your self only, and wishing to stay that way till 
> > the day you leave the earth as if life was already in doggie heaven. You 
> > are in the dog house. Mr. Meany. 
> > I thought you had better awareness as you judge me for some TM branding you 
> > created about me, not even knowing if I actually do it or not, based on 
> > what I say on this board. You labeled me and that is not nice. 
> > Bummer. I really thought you were a nice fellow overtaken by cult 
> > tendencies, beliefs and they are still there, because you are gullible to 
> > any or all and that is why you attacked me. You do not trust anyone to be 
> > your friend unless they praise you and sit at your heels. 
> > Think about it. I want an apology, please. 
> > My eyes were swollen almost shut and the pretty blues were surrounded by 
> > pink, puffy stuff. 
> > It was good for me to be near my last post at the time, it gave me time to 
> > think and reflect, a spanking from Mr. Turq, and on how you attacked me for 
> > no reason and that is what I am thankful for.
> > I had to reread what I wrote to see why you were so mean. 
> > That one line,
> > 
> > " If the regular life as those who do not sit on forums was so full of 
> > excitement, this would not matter."
> > 
> > mattered to you. 
> > 
> > ...Mattered so much, you went on and on about Judy, and the MaskedZebra 
> > standing up to you about your, "non-matter," of my post as I was on my 49th 
> > post for the week, kick'em when they're down. 
> > 
> > Have a nice day. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > If you need attention (or even entertainment) so desperately 
> > > that you feel it's appropriate to write all this dreck, get
> > > it from someone else. I find that level of neediness a total
> > > turnoff, both in real life and in surreal cyberspace. 
> > > 
> > > Advice? Get a life, then write about it. Living vicariously 
> > > on the lives of others is so TM. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Not like some dudes on this forum who piss the spot with 
> > > > > > > > complete teeth grinding bark, protection for their red 
> > > > > > > > fire hydrant in multiple layers of consciousness available 
> > > > > > > > if only to break through their awarene

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Emily Reyn]

Ha ha...Jefferson Airplane.  Brings back memories of my first year in college 
high on hallucinogens up on the snow fields above Boulder, CO, communing with 
the oneness of nature and in particular, the trees.  Sliding down the snow 
fields to a big bonfire waiting for it all to wear off.  No wonder I flunked 
math that semester - couldn't find a single reason to attend class.  Thank 
goodness it did wear off :)



 From: obbajeeba 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 8:16 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
 

  
Beautiful. 
Welcome back, Emily.

You give such a kind way to botox the turq's value up. 
Tendering his heart is what is needed for him to see not all women carry a 
whiny tone as he interpreted. If only he could here the voice, he would feel so 
much different in what he reads. The non squeaky, clear as a bell sooth, he 
misses in his extraction of meanings from the words typed, like 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcWZV-FHB2U
or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZPmZ64m3_4   or 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1Ckee7rabM
or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WANNqr-vcx0
Turq just has the wrong tone in his musical ear when he reads the typed words 
from the babes of FFL.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>
> Barry, here is my heartfelt and light response to several of your recent 
> posts.  Yes, I included a "funny" for you in video format, although not 
> nearly as "face value" funny as the Kate Winslet clip re: gender perceptions. 
>  Nor as humorous and gentle and as Merudanda's posts.  Mine is focused more 
> on social convention as an art :)
> 
> For context of my post, consider that perhaps some or many FFL participants 
> are giving similar treatment to all members in acknowledging and witnessing 
> their posts as being written by human beings; of participating in a 
> conversation; of expressing and sharing different points of view; of serving 
> as entertainment or provoking thought with regard to the topics discussed; or 
> aiding in understanding the human condition and ourselves better.
> 
> IMO, you misconstrued (and changed the reality) of Obba's email to you by 
> representing it as a "whiny plea for attention from you" and you would also 
> have your readers believe that you were being "compassionate" in your 
> response.  Is that how you were feeling about the "dreck?"  I thought you 
> were angry.  It's O.K. - we all get angry now and again, Barry, and this is 
> now all in the past and the dirty laundry has been aired out..  
> 
> Barry, do you really think that all of us who respond to you, who you don't 
> like, or who you continually put down, are just "looking for attention from 
> you?" And you go even further in assuming this (and I read you here at face 
> value as you seem so intent on making this point): 
> 
> "But *THEY* are so obsessed with me that *they read every 
> word of every one of my posts*. They probably read them 
> multiple times, trying to work up enough faux outrage and
> hatred to fuel a stinging reply. 
> 
> Seems to me that obsession is its own reward. They're 
> trapped in a samskaric cycle that they cannot escape from.
> They're in EXACTLY the position they want *me* to be in,
> but which they cannot achieve. They have to sit there and 
> read every word I write, whether about them, or about 
> anything else.
> 
> As Ravi might say, they're my bitches. :-)
> 
> And they will continue to be as long as they continue
> obsessing on me..."
> 
> You are most definitely not "prescient", IMHO.  Could you have predicted 
> that in Ravi's absence, you would choose to assume this part of his internet 
> character where you now refer to *THEY* that read your posts and respond to 
> you in ways that offend you as obsessed with you and your "bitches?"  So 
> funny, Barry, you must see the humor in this, n'est-ce pas?  I hope you 
> weren't serious.  You just have been presenting in such a depressed manner 
> of late (IMO), I'm not sure anymore.
> 
> Barry, you so undersell yourself herethink better of yourself, man.  In 
> the context you wrote it, why assume that the only reason I might read you, 
> for example, is because I am "obsessing" on you?  Was it meant as a put-down 
> to your readers that don't always agree with you? It says more about your own 
> self-worth.  Maybe I think you may have something to say that could be 
> "interesting," regardless of whether I appreciate all of your posts all the 
> time, and regardless of whether I comment back to you in ways you don't 
> always like. 
> 
> And, this statement below from another of your posts is also truly amazing 
> coming out of your mouth.  Why are you here?  What is the payoff of staying 
> here?  You could easily correspond offline with those people you deem worth 
> reading - why suffer here year after year?  There is a reason, Barry, and I 
> hope y

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Emily Reyn]

Oh, well that clears it up.  Emily Dickinson...I want to read her poetry.  
Thank you for reminding me. The way things have been going here, I just wasn't 
sure.  Life is surreal right now.  Thank you Robin.  



 From: maskedzebra 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 7:41 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
 

  
Ah, dear Emily: The Emily referred to at the end of the poem is Emily 
DICKINSON—no other Emily. The cold reptilian creature that 
Emily—Dickinson—wrote about had some relevance for the "zero at the bone" 
sensation that obbajeeba must have experienced when Barry couldn't help himself 
and injected obbajeeba with his mystical venom. As often as I remember you, 
Emily—and I owe you a post—you were not in thoughts whatsoever when it came to 
the obbajeeba episode. Emily Dickinson was describing her experience of a 
snake. See my final paragraph in my last post to the Barry guy. 

Robin

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>
> Barry, here is my heartfelt and light response to several of your recent 
> posts.  Yes, I included a "funny" for you in video format, although not 
> nearly as "face value" funny as the Kate Winslet clip re: gender perceptions. 
>  Nor as humorous and gentle and as Merudanda's posts.  Mine is focused more 
> on social convention as an art :)
> 
> For context of my post, consider that perhaps some or many FFL participants 
> are giving similar treatment to all members in acknowledging and witnessing 
> their posts as being written by human beings; of participating in a 
> conversation; of expressing and sharing different points of view; of serving 
> as entertainment or provoking thought with regard to the topics discussed; or 
> aiding in understanding the human condition and ourselves better.
> 
> IMO, you misconstrued (and changed the reality) of Obba's email to you by 
> representing it as a "whiny plea for attention from you" and you would also 
> have your readers believe that you were being "compassionate" in your 
> response.  Is that how you were feeling about the "dreck?"  I thought you 
> were angry.  It's O.K. - we all get angry now and again, Barry, and this is 
> now all in the past and the dirty laundry has been aired out..  
> 
> Barry, do you really think that all of us who respond to you, who you don't 
> like, or who you continually put down, are just "looking for attention from 
> you?" And you go even further in assuming this (and I read you here at face 
> value as you seem so intent on making this point): 
> 
> "But *THEY* are so obsessed with me that *they read every 
> word of every one of my posts*. They probably read them 
> multiple times, trying to work up enough faux outrage and
> hatred to fuel a stinging reply. 
> 
> Seems to me that obsession is its own reward. They're 
> trapped in a samskaric cycle that they cannot escape from.
> They're in EXACTLY the position they want *me* to be in,
> but which they cannot achieve. They have to sit there and 
> read every word I write, whether about them, or about 
> anything else.
> 
> As Ravi might say, they're my bitches. :-)
> 
> And they will continue to be as long as they continue
> obsessing on me..."
> 
> You are most definitely not "prescient", IMHO.  Could you have predicted 
> that in Ravi's absence, you would choose to assume this part of his internet 
> character where you now refer to *THEY* that read your posts and respond to 
> you in ways that offend you as obsessed with you and your "bitches?"  So 
> funny, Barry, you must see the humor in this, n'est-ce pas?  I hope you 
> weren't serious.  You just have been presenting in such a depressed manner 
> of late (IMO), I'm not sure anymore.
> 
> Barry, you so undersell yourself herethink better of yourself, man.  In 
> the context you wrote it, why assume that the only reason I might read you, 
> for example, is because I am "obsessing" on you?  Was it meant as a put-down 
> to your readers that don't always agree with you? It says more about your own 
> self-worth.  Maybe I think you may have something to say that could be 
> "interesting," regardless of whether I appreciate all of your posts all the 
> time, and regardless of whether I comment back to you in ways you don't 
> always like. 
> 
> And, this statement below from another of your posts is also truly amazing 
> coming out of your mouth.  Why are you here?  What is the payoff of staying 
> here?  You could easily correspond offline with those people you deem worth 
> reading - why suffer here year after year?  There is a reason, Barry, and I 
> hope you continue to stay until you figure it out.  Barry, IMHO, you don't 
> see "trends" - how can you when you only look at some of the data? You don't 
> see "the forest through the trees" - how can you when you are so far in the 
> forest yourself on a daily basis?  If you were to decid

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Emily Reyn]

Er, Judy, do not second guess the perfection of your original post here - it 
was divine, I must say.  Now, please, have pity on us incoherants and do 
consult with the Others and get back to us, as time and intention dictate. We 
are, after all, waiting for something new and worthy to "obsess on."  Ho ho ho. 
   

P.S.  I won't hold my breath :)



 From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 10:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

> (MZ, front and center, please. I'd like a word with you. No,
> just leave the harp where you found it. You don't know how
> to play it anyway. I'm going to give you something much
> more interesting to play with, something red-hot, heh heh.)

Er, that didn't come out quite the way I meant it. I had in
mind *red-hot coals* to fit with the mise-en-scene here.
Punishment for MZ, IOW. Yoicks.


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Emily Reyn]

Barry, here is my heartfelt and light response to several of your recent posts. 
 Yes, I included a "funny" for you in video format, although not nearly as 
"face value" funny as the Kate Winslet clip re: gender perceptions.  Nor as 
humorous and gentle and as Merudanda's posts.  Mine is focused more on social 
convention as an art :)

For context of my post, consider that perhaps some or many FFL participants are 
giving similar treatment to all members in acknowledging and witnessing their 
posts as being written by human beings; of participating in a conversation; of 
expressing and sharing different points of view; of serving as entertainment or 
provoking thought with regard to the topics discussed; or aiding in 
understanding the human condition and ourselves better.

IMO, you misconstrued (and changed the reality) of Obba's email to you by 
representing it as a "whiny plea for attention from you" and you would also 
have your readers believe that you were being "compassionate" in your response. 
 Is that how you were feeling about the "dreck?"  I thought you were angry.  
It's O.K. - we all get angry now and again, Barry, and this is now all in the 
past and the dirty laundry has been aired out..  

Barry, do you really think that all of us who respond to you, who you don't 
like, or who you continually put down, are just "looking for attention from 
you?" And you go even further in assuming this (and I read you here at face 
value as you seem so intent on making this point): 

"But *THEY* are so obsessed with me that *they read every 
word of every one of my posts*. They probably read them 
multiple times, trying to work up enough faux outrage and
hatred to fuel a stinging reply. 

Seems to me that obsession is its own reward. They're 
trapped in a samskaric cycle that they cannot escape from.
They're in EXACTLY the position they want *me* to be in,
but which they cannot achieve. They have to sit there and 
read every word I write, whether about them, or about 
anything else.

As Ravi might say, they're my bitches. :-)

And they will continue to be as long as they continue
obsessing on me..."

You are most definitely not "prescient", IMHO.  Could you have predicted that 
in Ravi's absence, you would choose to assume this part of his internet 
character where you now refer to *THEY* that read your posts and respond to you 
in ways that offend you as obsessed with you and your "bitches?"  So funny, 
Barry, you must see the humor in this, n'est-ce pas?  I hope you weren't 
serious.  You just have been presenting in such a depressed manner of late 
(IMO), I'm not sure anymore.

Barry, you so undersell yourself herethink better of yourself, man.  In the 
context you wrote it, why assume that the only reason I might read you, for 
example, is because I am "obsessing" on you?  Was it meant as a put-down to 
your readers that don't always agree with you? It says more about your own 
self-worth.  Maybe I think you may have something to say that could be 
"interesting," regardless of whether I appreciate all of your posts all the 
time, and regardless of whether I comment back to you in ways you don't always 
like. 

And, this statement below from another of your posts is also truly amazing 
coming out of your mouth.  Why are you here?  What is the payoff of staying 
here?  You could easily correspond offline with those people you deem worth 
reading - why suffer here year after year?  There is a reason, Barry, and I 
hope you continue to stay until you figure it out.  Barry, IMHO, you don't see 
"trends" - how can you when you only look at some of the data? You don't see 
"the forest through the trees" - how can you when you are so far in the forest 
yourself on a daily basis?  If you were to decide to take a few weeks off, or 
even maybe one, or maybe even a few days, you might be able to walk
 out far enough
 or climb far enough up in a tall tree to get a different perspective on FFL, 
as a whole and also on its participants. Again, you are undermining your own 
choices and yourself badly, IMO.  

"If I had to recommend to a young person what might be better
for their evolution -- hanging out on an Internet movie
forum or hanging out on a spiritual forum -- I'd have
to go with movies. You meet a nicer class of people."

And speaking of funny, because in your rant on "interesting and not 
interesting" you give yourself an *out* at the end by saying that "funny 
overrides everything,"  
here you go.  Will this override everything and warrant a read?  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81szj1vpEu8&feature=youtu.be

THE END of my long and "obsessive" post to you (as I'm sure you will 
characterize it), boring to the very end.  Even though I am compassionately 
trying to get through to you on a couple of things.  But, not to worry, I wrote 
it for myself as much as for you, Barry, and I will likely continue to read 
your posts, because your participation in FFL is part of the gig and I am an 
equal-oppor

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Emily Reyn]

Steve.  Pull up, pull out...I think I might see a ray of lightbut, come on 
Steveyou have a *BIG* heart, I know you do...look how upset you were about 
Ravi's dismissal...after all.  Here's Madonna for you.  She's in white.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyBQ0MDDcCQ&feature=related




 From: seventhray1 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 4:15 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
 

  
Let me reply as I go through.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
>
> Dear Steve,
> 
> You see what a beautiful rose has flowered from your last post. Your weakness 
> has been perfectly exploited, and the post which you see here from Amsterdam 
> is the offspring of your Inspector Clouseau—Neville Chamberlain approach to 
> these disputes.  You already have me smiling with these references.
> 
> Barry is one tricky dude, that's for sure. Poor obbajeeba. She now knows that 
> Barry acted with justice. I hope she realizes this.
> 
> The sadism, it has made you a pawn, and this is only inevitable, given your 
> refusal to call that nun a burglar when even the judge declared, based on the 
> evidence, she was guilty of stealing your mother's jewellery.
This is a good point.  I do seem to have a blind spot in that regard.  FTR, it 
was the detective who coaxed a confession out of her.  Her date with the judge 
is coming up. 
> No, Barry is much worse than I thought. But I can thank you, Steve, for 
> drawing him out like this.
> 
> Obviously he has made his case. Now go back to his post to obbajeeba, read it 
> carefully from beginning to end; then read Judy's post; after that my first 
> post to Barry; and finally read the post to which Barry is referring here, 
> which, according to him, *he has not read*.
> 
> I think it best just to give him his rightful influence at FFL—even as he, 
> most despicably has refused to speak to me directly, or make his case inside 
> the context of a counter-argument which takes me on personally.
> 
> He is the subtlest liar there could be. And everything, down to the last 
> nuance, is, in this post addressed to you, deceitful and manipulative—but 
> very inspired.
> 
> This level of bullshit, it leaves everyone, or almost everyone, with their 
> head spinning. As it will yours. You see, Steve, Barry has taken the hard and 
> categorical position vis-a-vis myself that you in principle refuse to or 
> cannot take. You should take your cues from him. For he has finally committed 
> himself all the way.
> 
> You now can't have it both ways. Either you argue with Barry the way you have 
> argued with me—which you will not do; or if you make the half-hearted attempt 
> to do so, Barry will just have contempt for you. As he does even now. 
Robin, I will be completely honest.  I pull my punches with both of you.  And 
that is all I will say on that for now. 
> You have allowed yourself to be used, Stevie Baby. And he looked upon his 
> works. And he saw that it was good.
How about as Shakespeare in Julies Caesar might say, "And Barry is an 
h-o-n-o-r-a-b-l-e man".  I couldn't resist that.  Apropos of nothing  
> This is on one level great fun; on another level it is politics that goes 
> well past poor little Nicolo.
> 
> You will have to come down, finally, on one side or the other, Steve.
> 
> From strictly a human standpoint I deem this long post by Barry Wright to be 
> devoid of human feeling, and to be deliberately and cunningly conceived out 
> of pure malice and deceit. But to perceive this, well, I guess you'd have to 
> hate Barry as much as I do.
Yes, I thought Barry's reply to Obbajeeba was a little harsh, but that's Barry 
- often.  I mean, even Curtis has called him on this sometimes.  In particular 
in one instance when he was harsh in responding to you.  But, I mean, so what.  
Is this a capital offense?  
> Lovely man, Barry. And I am only saying this because he has, gentle FFL 
> reader, refuted me up and down. And this, by cracky, hurts.
> 
> As you can imagine.
> 
> Barry has found your weakness, Steve, and he has put it to use big-time. If 
> Barry is who I think he is, then you have just received all the proof you 
> need of the stupidity and blindness of a particular aspect of your modus 
> operandi.
Okay, confession time.  I had my astrological chart done by Hart Defoe around 
25 years ago, and he said I was a slow processor.  And of course as recently as 
just last week, I was declared to be a "pea brained heartland retard".  At 
least I wasn't called a "heartless retard".  Now that might have hurt. 
> By the way, unless you can testify to me that you have read obbajeeba's post 
> to Barry; Barry's response to obbajeeba; Judy's response to Barry's post to 
> obbajeeba; then my first response to Barry; then my second response to Barry; 
> and finally, my open letter to Ravi (#4), I will not be saying another word 
> to you.
Ouch!.  Does 3-1/2 out

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Vaj]

On Jan 13, 2012, at 1:13 PM, maskedzebra wrote:

> Barry: Back in the Bad Old Days, RWC would drag his followers up
> on stage and yell at them (and possibly even strike them),
> "pointing out their weaknesses" and telling them exactly
> what kinds of demons were possessing them.
> 
> Robin: This is a crude and misinformed and inaccurate description of what 
> went on between 1976 and 1986. I never once struck someone on stage.

Well, that's not what I saw. I cannot say it is accurate that you were 
"beating" them, but it would be accurate to say you were pounding them with 
clenched fists as if in total exasperation and frustration.

> If you read Rory's account from his autobiography you get the very essence of 
> metaphysical theatre that I acted out under my enlightenment. Although not 
> nearly the whole picture. Someone who has a mature and unbiased 
> perspective—who was there—will eventually speak out on this forum I hope, and 
> then we can hear the other side, which will be critical, but will not 
> resemble in the least the description given here.

I don't know what you'd want us to say? After all, it was not one of the things 
you'd remember by your constant reflection on it. The people, now that's 
something different, because there were (like old rounding courses, etc.) a lot 
of remarkable humans.

> There are persons out there who know all about what happened. And I have 
> already interrogated myself over this very serious matter these past 25 
> years. And I haven't seen any demons for a few decades, Barry :-)—but perhaps 
> now my streak will be broken.

Well if you haven't declared Our Dear Editor demonic by now, it's a given that 
you're third eye blind. In the day I could see the brouhaha build as Our Dear 
Judy was revealed as the very core of resistance to G_d and driven from the 
course by protective students. Incense would be lit.

> You don't ever grasp a hold of reality when you argue like this, Barry. You 
> systematically avoid contact with reality. And it shows. Not to Steve, but to 
> a few others I would think. (I mean besides the horrible woman Judy—now talk 
> about abuse: did you read some of her recent posts to me, Barry? Now *that's* 
> what I call abuse.)

Robindra, by the Grace of G_d, open your third eye!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Vaj]

On Jan 12, 2012, at 12:11 PM, turquoiseb wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > On Jan 12, 2012, at 9:20 AM, feste37 wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't understand, MZ. Only a week or so ago you wrote a long post 
> > > practically deifying Barry and excoriating Judy, but now you seem to 
> > > have returned to your former position. You are making me dizzy, MZ. 
> > 
> > You're staring at the Masked Zebra again Feste. Do NOT stare at the Masked 
> > Zebra.
> 
> I have a bar code reader app on my iPhone. I pointed it at a zebra once and 
> it listed the product as a gallon jug of cheap red wine, selling for $4.39.  
> :-)


Probably my favorite app on the iPhone next to the one that tells you what song 
is playin - that and the one that helps me find my car in the mall parking lot.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Vaj]

On Jan 12, 2012, at 9:20 AM, feste37 wrote:

> I don't understand, MZ. Only a week or so ago you wrote a long post 
> practically deifying Barry and excoriating Judy, but now you seem to have 
> returned to your former position. You are making me dizzy, MZ. 


You're staring at the Masked Zebra again Feste. Do NOT stare at the Masked 
Zebra.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Vaj]

On Jan 12, 2012, at 1:41 AM, turquoiseb wrote:


If you need attention (or even entertainment) so desperately
that you feel it's appropriate to write all this dreck, get
it from someone else. I find that level of neediness a total
turnoff, both in real life and in surreal cyberspace.

Advice? Get a life, then write about it. Living vicariously
on the lives of others is so TM.



Someone should start a cartoon, like the 'What Would Jesus Do?'  
series "What Would Guru Dev Do?" or "What Would Marshy Do?"

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 4:35 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

 

  



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 ]
> On Behalf Of obbajeeba
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:09 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts
> 
> 
> Just wanting more clarification if you have the time, please. : )
> 
> Honoring anonymity. If one does an email search through google and finds
> someone out, as to what their name is, then what you are saying is no one
> has a right on this forum to expose who they actually are? 
> 
> 
> 
> Correct. For instance, it's easy to go to Curtis's website and learn his
> real name, but he doesn't want that posted here, with all sorts of
profanity
> and false accusations attached to it. That could turn up in internet
> searches by potential employers.

Just like zarzari did with my name twice, some time ago under his current
incarnation and previously as "azgrey".

Like Curtis, I'm also a freelancer. Just saying.

I wasn't aware of it. Let me know if it happens again. Has it been deleted?
Would you like me to?

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of obbajeeba
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:09 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts


Just wanting more clarification if you have the time, please. : )

Honoring anonymity. If one does an email search through google and finds
someone out, as to what their name is, then what you are saying is no one
has a right on this forum to expose who they actually are? 

 

Correct. For instance, it's easy to go to Curtis's website and learn his
real name, but he doesn't want that posted here, with all sorts of profanity
and false accusations attached to it. That could turn up in internet
searches by potential employers.

 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Rick Archer]

 

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of raunchydog
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:19 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

 

  

"It makes me afraid to post" is a bit hyperbolic. We have plenty of button
pushers who could use a time out, but you aren't one of them. Ravi was in a
class by himself. I believe he took Robin's beautiful post to heart. Maybe
he could have learned something from his mistakes if Rick had had a "three
strikes [timeouts] and you're out" policy, perhaps a warning prohibiting
gratuitous abuse. Now we'll never know. I'll miss the motherfucker.

Ravi had been booted before. He came in with guns blazing when he first
joined FFL and was soon so offensive that we had to let him go. He was later
reinstated after he appeared to have mellowed. In this latest instance, he
was booted not so much for being offensive - there are plenty of examples of
that here - but for intentionally and repeatedly violating the FFL
guidelines about posting the real names and personal details of those who
prefer to remain anonymous. As far as I know, he is only the 3rd person in
the 10-plus year history of FFL to be booted. One of those two has rejoined
and the other is welcome any time (and is a good friend of mine). Ravi will
be welcome back eventually, if I'm convinced that he has changed. But I
don't have the time to play school marm.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Buck
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 8:18 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

 

  

Yep, I agree with Curtis here. What RaviC is doing here is sinful by
resolution and no good for the community here. He is not contributing to the
conversation but fishing it with this kind of spiritual abuse. As much as
anything he is mocking Rick with this stuff. This is needless over the top
abuse. The FFL list Moderators should unsubscribe this guy Ravi from FFL.
The guy has fouled out, so to speak. Unsubscribe him now.
-Buck 

I guess you all realize by now that Ravi has been unsubscribed. I don't have
the time to follow these antics, but several people whom I respect emailed
me, unbeknownst to each other, and expressed their concern not only for his
violation of FFL guidelines, but for his sanity. So we nuked him.

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Vaj]

On Jan 9, 2012, at 8:06 PM, sparaig wrote:

> > Yes, as I was pointing out in my original post. What's
> > quoted above was just a footnote to that.
> >
> 
> He might have. I reserve MMY's right to be self-contradicting in word and 
> action because, even if he WAS enlightened, that doesn't mean he was perfect 
> in any Western scientific sense of the word.


Maheshiji at the level of inscrutable enlightenment? He had the Elvis effect 
and the lingering effects of his fading sadhana along with lots of money. Soon 
the money eclipsed any need for sadhana. In the end, he was little more than a 
Hindu Howard Hughes, albeit in a much tackier hotel.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Vaj]

On Jan 9, 2012, at 7:07 PM, feste37 wrote:

> I think it is a matter of degree. Ravi was a particularly egregious offender. 
> No one else comes close, in my opinion. It's a judgment call. Maybe not 
> everyone will agree, but I think the majority will. 


Once again I find myself agreeing.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Vaj]

On Jan 9, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > He should just leave. If he won't leave on his own accord the
> > moderators should decide to protect the contributors here and opt
> > for the greater good, and boot him. He's far exceeded appropriate
> > limits.
> > 
> 
> Ravi is gone. 


Thanks guys.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Vaj]

On Jan 9, 2012, at 4:30 PM, feste37 wrote:

> Ravi should be given a warning by the moderator and then unsubscribed if he 
> persists in his unacceptable behavior, which is dragging this forum down into 
> the gutter. It is all very well for Alex to say just filter him out, but he 
> takes up too much space to do that, given all his posts and the various 
> responses to them. Other threads get drowned out by this acting-out, 
> narcissistic adolescent whose only conversation is about himself.

Well it's interesting how far the same 'balls to the walls 'tude got him on a 
largely Hindu jyotish list: they enumerated the karmic flaws in his chart (he 
has the chart of a criminal, in multiple places) and then booted him after a 
well mannered tongue lashing!

Ravi please post your space time coordinates of birth! ;-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Vaj]

On Jan 9, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote:

> While I do not object to Ravi's rants, I do feel he is exceeding social 
> interaction limits, like a guest shitting on one's dining room table. So I 
> support Curtis's position here. I think it prudent for Ravi to tone it down. 
> It is not playful, and it is not helpful.


He should just leave. If he won't leave on his own accord the moderators should 
decide to protect the contributors here and opt for the greater good, and boot 
him. He's far exceeded appropriate limits.

And there is no Crazy Wisdom tradition - that was just made up by some drunk, 
boozing womanizers.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Ravi Chivukula]

Curtis,

A few more clues - Don't checkout FB page so you retards pop up on friends 
suggestions, stop watching my videos from Virginia and Netherlands. Stop this 
perverse masochistic obsession on me.

You are my Rakshasaa, my metaphorical demon of deception. Consider yourself 
lucky that I even deemed to spend this much time an old dumb pervert like you.

STOP your malicious, evil campaign here.

Love,
Ravi


On Jan 9, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:

> Curtis, fuck you and your malicious, retarded, perverted behavior, if Stephen 
> had a problem he would tell me so, if you don't want people to know your real 
> name please use a fake email id.
> 
> So get a clue you dumb motherfucker.
> 
> Love,
> Ravi
> 
> On Jan 9, 2012, at 6:32 AM, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> 
>> Ravi you are once again going too far with your malicious intent here. 
>> Outing someone's full real name when they are using a handle is uncool and 
>> may have serious repercussions for their lives. 
>> 
>> Part of the freedom of expression here is supported by people's choice to 
>> decide if they want their POV here linked to the searchable internet.
>> 
>> Your expressed intent to humiliate someone here is also out of line.
>> 
>> I consider this post to be beyond the pail of interactions here. I have been 
>> contacted by people offlist who you have cowered with your aggressive 
>> malicious campaign. 
>> 
>> I speak for them and for myself in telling you that this behavior is not 
>> acceptable here. 
>> 
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > What a pathetic, miserable life my retarded psychologist (Name Deleted By 
>> > Curtis), not a single experience, not a single person who acknowledges 
>> > him, sucking furiously at TM and Prozac and drawing a blank..LOL..the only 
>> > thing he looks forward to is my emails do he can at least get some 
>> > attention, perverse satisfaction as I humiliate him, bitch slap him in my 
>> > enlightened mania.
>> > 
>> > Stephen, you little bitch, you made my day..LOL..
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 5:18 PM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>> > 
>> > > And yeah I looked at your picture on FB last year, you came up on my 
>> > > friend suggestions.
>> > > 
>> > > Not only are you a retarded psychologist Stephen, you looked like a 
>> > > lifeless depressed son of a bitch on a cocktail of meds. I suppose they 
>> > > are free since you are so eager to suck Prozac Inc's dicks.
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > On Jan 8, 2012, at 5:13 PM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>> > > 
>> > >> Shut the fuck up Stephen, you little bitch before I bitch slap you in 
>> > >> my enlightened mania.
>> > >> 
>> > >> You never responded to the little assignment I gave you sly 
>> > >> motherfucker.
>> > >> 
>> > >> 
>> > >> On Jan 8, 2012, at 4:59 PM, "shukra69"  wrote:
>> > >> 
>> > >>> Rick Archer likes the controversy. At least Ravi has the excuse of 
>> > >>> being mentally ill. Vaj is just as slanderous but he acts maliciously 
>> > >>> and in bad faith.
>> > >>> 
>> > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > 
>> > >>> > 
>> > >>> > I agree with Doug. Ravi's continual slanderous, obscenity-laden 
>> > >>> > posts drag this forum down into the sewer. He should be expelled 
>> > >>> > from this forum without delay. It is one thing to have serious, even 
>> > >>> > angry disputes with people, but the other feuding parties here avoid 
>> > >>> > excesses such as those demonstrated almost every day by Ravi. If the 
>> > >>> > moderators have any respect for their own forum, they should take 
>> > >>> > action on this issue. If Ravi wants to indulge in his absurd, 
>> > >>> > offensive adolescent fantasies he should find another place to do 
>> > >>> > it. 
>> > >>> > 
>> > >>> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>> > >>> > >
>> > >>> > > Yep, I agree with Curtis here. What RaviC is doing here is sinful 
>> > >>> > > by resolution and no good for the community here. He is not 
>> > >>> > > contributing to the conversation but fishing it with this kind of 
>> > >>> > > spiritual abuse. As much as anything he is mocking Rick with this 
>> > >>> > > stuff. This is needless over the top abuse. The FFL list 
>> > >>> > > Moderators should unsubscribe this guy Ravi from FFL.  The guy has 
>> > >>> > > fouled out, so to speak. Unsubscribe him now.
>> > >>> > > -Buck 
>> > >>> > > 
>> > >>> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>> > >>> > >  wrote:
>> > >>> > > >
>> > >>> > > > Scanning over the posts this morning was a little wake-up call. 
>> > >>> > > > Imagine my surprise (second time use I know, so lamo but I'm 
>> > >>> > > > just getting started here and I'm not warmed up creatively) to 
>> > >>> > > > see this in the headers:
>> > >>> > > > 
>> > >>> > > > "but Steve not being a pervert like Curtis who used his power in 
>> > >>> > > > a cult to prey on innocent women"
>> > >>> > > > 
>> > >>> > > > I gotta 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Ravi Chivukula]

Curtis, fuck you and your malicious, retarded, perverted behavior, if Stephen 
had a problem he would tell me so, if you don't want people to know your real 
name please use a fake email id.

So get a clue you dumb motherfucker.

Love,
Ravi

On Jan 9, 2012, at 6:32 AM, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:

> Ravi you are once again going too far with your malicious intent here. Outing 
> someone's full real name when they are using a handle is uncool and may have 
> serious repercussions for their lives. 
> 
> Part of the freedom of expression here is supported by people's choice to 
> decide if they want their POV here linked to the searchable internet.
> 
> Your expressed intent to humiliate someone here is also out of line.
> 
> I consider this post to be beyond the pail of interactions here. I have been 
> contacted by people offlist who you have cowered with your aggressive 
> malicious campaign. 
> 
> I speak for them and for myself in telling you that this behavior is not 
> acceptable here. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> wrote:
> >
> > What a pathetic, miserable life my retarded psychologist (Name Deleted By 
> > Curtis), not a single experience, not a single person who acknowledges him, 
> > sucking furiously at TM and Prozac and drawing a blank..LOL..the only thing 
> > he looks forward to is my emails do he can at least get some attention, 
> > perverse satisfaction as I humiliate him, bitch slap him in my enlightened 
> > mania.
> > 
> > Stephen, you little bitch, you made my day..LOL..
> > 
> > 
> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 5:18 PM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> > 
> > > And yeah I looked at your picture on FB last year, you came up on my 
> > > friend suggestions.
> > > 
> > > Not only are you a retarded psychologist Stephen, you looked like a 
> > > lifeless depressed son of a bitch on a cocktail of meds. I suppose they 
> > > are free since you are so eager to suck Prozac Inc's dicks.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Jan 8, 2012, at 5:13 PM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> > > 
> > >> Shut the fuck up Stephen, you little bitch before I bitch slap you in my 
> > >> enlightened mania.
> > >> 
> > >> You never responded to the little assignment I gave you sly motherfucker.
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> On Jan 8, 2012, at 4:59 PM, "shukra69"  wrote:
> > >> 
> > >>> Rick Archer likes the controversy. At least Ravi has the excuse of 
> > >>> being mentally ill. Vaj is just as slanderous but he acts maliciously 
> > >>> and in bad faith.
> > >>> 
> > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 
> > >>> > 
> > >>> > I agree with Doug. Ravi's continual slanderous, obscenity-laden posts 
> > >>> > drag this forum down into the sewer. He should be expelled from this 
> > >>> > forum without delay. It is one thing to have serious, even angry 
> > >>> > disputes with people, but the other feuding parties here avoid 
> > >>> > excesses such as those demonstrated almost every day by Ravi. If the 
> > >>> > moderators have any respect for their own forum, they should take 
> > >>> > action on this issue. If Ravi wants to indulge in his absurd, 
> > >>> > offensive adolescent fantasies he should find another place to do it. 
> > >>> > 
> > >>> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > Yep, I agree with Curtis here. What RaviC is doing here is sinful 
> > >>> > > by resolution and no good for the community here. He is not 
> > >>> > > contributing to the conversation but fishing it with this kind of 
> > >>> > > spiritual abuse. As much as anything he is mocking Rick with this 
> > >>> > > stuff. This is needless over the top abuse. The FFL list Moderators 
> > >>> > > should unsubscribe this guy Ravi from FFL.  The guy has fouled out, 
> > >>> > > so to speak. Unsubscribe him now.
> > >>> > > -Buck 
> > >>> > > 
> > >>> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >>> > >  wrote:
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > > Scanning over the posts this morning was a little wake-up call. 
> > >>> > > > Imagine my surprise (second time use I know, so lamo but I'm just 
> > >>> > > > getting started here and I'm not warmed up creatively) to see 
> > >>> > > > this in the headers:
> > >>> > > > 
> > >>> > > > "but Steve not being a pervert like Curtis who used his power in 
> > >>> > > > a cult to prey on innocent women"
> > >>> > > > 
> > >>> > > > I gotta say for the first time in all the years posting here, I 
> > >>> > > > considered unlisting. Not because someone said something 
> > >>> > > > inflammatory and untrue about me, but this is a special case of 
> > >>> > > > Internet tolling. I have become a repetitive negative focus for 
> > >>> > > > someone and I really can't win here. The amount of energy such an 
> > >>> > > > individual can expend on such a malicious project is endless 
> > >>> > > > (within the 50 posts mercifully) So first thanks and props to 
> > >>> > > > Steve who gets that this could have an impact on me 
> > >>> > > >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Vaj]

On Jan 9, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote:

Yes, I did not list all definitions, but Ravi seems a bit over the  
top here lately. Would there be an improvement in the world if Ravi  
were president of Iran?



Doubtful:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sohamsa/message/22853

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Ravi Chivukula]

What a pathetic, miserable life my retarded psychologist Stephen Anderson, not 
a single experience, not a single person who acknowledges him, sucking 
furiously at TM and Prozac and drawing a blank..LOL..the only thing he looks 
forward to is my emails do he can at least get some attention, perverse 
satisfaction as I humiliate him, bitch slap him in my enlightened mania.

Stephen, you little bitch, you made my day..LOL..


On Jan 8, 2012, at 5:18 PM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:

> And yeah I looked at your picture on FB last year, you came up on my friend 
> suggestions.
> 
> Not only are you a retarded psychologist Stephen, you looked like a lifeless 
> depressed son of a bitch on a cocktail of meds. I suppose they are free since 
> you are so eager to suck Prozac Inc's dicks.
> 
> 
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 5:13 PM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> 
>> Shut the fuck up Stephen, you little bitch before I bitch slap you in my 
>> enlightened mania.
>> 
>> You never responded to the little assignment I gave you sly motherfucker.
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 8, 2012, at 4:59 PM, "shukra69"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Rick Archer likes the controversy. At least Ravi has the excuse of being 
>>> mentally ill. Vaj is just as slanderous but he acts maliciously and in bad 
>>> faith.
>>> 
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > I agree with Doug. Ravi's continual slanderous, obscenity-laden posts 
>>> > drag this forum down into the sewer. He should be expelled from this 
>>> > forum without delay. It is one thing to have serious, even angry disputes 
>>> > with people, but the other feuding parties here avoid excesses such as 
>>> > those demonstrated almost every day by Ravi. If the moderators have any 
>>> > respect for their own forum, they should take action on this issue. If 
>>> > Ravi wants to indulge in his absurd, offensive adolescent fantasies he 
>>> > should find another place to do it. 
>>> > 
>>> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Yep, I agree with Curtis here. What RaviC is doing here is sinful by 
>>> > > resolution and no good for the community here. He is not contributing 
>>> > > to the conversation but fishing it with this kind of spiritual abuse. 
>>> > > As much as anything he is mocking Rick with this stuff. This is 
>>> > > needless over the top abuse. The FFL list Moderators should unsubscribe 
>>> > > this guy Ravi from FFL.  The guy has fouled out, so to speak. 
>>> > > Unsubscribe him now.
>>> > > -Buck 
>>> > > 
>>> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>>> > >  wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Scanning over the posts this morning was a little wake-up call. 
>>> > > > Imagine my surprise (second time use I know, so lamo but I'm just 
>>> > > > getting started here and I'm not warmed up creatively) to see this in 
>>> > > > the headers:
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > "but Steve not being a pervert like Curtis who used his power in a 
>>> > > > cult to prey on innocent women"
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > I gotta say for the first time in all the years posting here, I 
>>> > > > considered unlisting. Not because someone said something inflammatory 
>>> > > > and untrue about me, but this is a special case of Internet tolling. 
>>> > > > I have become a repetitive negative focus for someone and I really 
>>> > > > can't win here. The amount of energy such an individual can expend on 
>>> > > > such a malicious project is endless (within the 50 posts mercifully) 
>>> > > > So first thanks and props to Steve who gets that this could have an 
>>> > > > impact on me professionally, due to the amount of material being 
>>> > > > generated here. It makes me look like someone with a controversial 
>>> > > > past which is untrue. No matter how many times I post a rebuttal this 
>>> > > > will just stoke the enthusiasm for more posting. Flooding a forum 
>>> > > > like this will a lie repetitively is a power tactic for slander 
>>> > > > rewarded by search engines for anyone checking me out here. Being 
>>> > > > associated with a term like "pervert" is malicious. 
>>> > > > 
>>> > > > There is no way to reconcile my view in support of Internet freedom 
>>> > > > and particularly the freedom we enjoy here with limiting Ravi's right 
>>> > > > to make such repetitive posts. It could hurt me although to chances 
>>> > > > of that seem small at this point. He attempted to get on my Facebook 
>>> > > > page, which would have escalated the malicious stalking, but I can 
>>> > > > control that so it seems that if he wants to continue this campaign 
>>> > > > here, I am relatively safe. And I believe that at this point 
>>> > > > unsubscribing would not be an answer because of the repetitive nature 
>>> > > > of his tourettes like assaults, there is no guarantee that they would 
>>> > > > cease, I would just be cutting myself off from being able to defend 
>>> > > > myself. So in the manor used for credit report where someone 
>>> > > > malicious has decided to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Ravi Chivukula]

And yeah I looked at your picture on FB last year, you came up on my friend 
suggestions.

Not only are you a retarded psychologist Stephen, you looked like a lifeless 
depressed son of a bitch on a cocktail of meds. I suppose they are free since 
you are so eager to suck Prozac Inc's dicks.


On Jan 8, 2012, at 5:13 PM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:

> Shut the fuck up Stephen, you little bitch before I bitch slap you in my 
> enlightened mania.
> 
> You never responded to the little assignment I gave you sly motherfucker.
> 
> 
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 4:59 PM, "shukra69"  wrote:
> 
>> Rick Archer likes the controversy. At least Ravi has the excuse of being 
>> mentally ill. Vaj is just as slanderous but he acts maliciously and in bad 
>> faith.
>> 
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>> > 
>> > I agree with Doug. Ravi's continual slanderous, obscenity-laden posts drag 
>> > this forum down into the sewer. He should be expelled from this forum 
>> > without delay. It is one thing to have serious, even angry disputes with 
>> > people, but the other feuding parties here avoid excesses such as those 
>> > demonstrated almost every day by Ravi. If the moderators have any respect 
>> > for their own forum, they should take action on this issue. If Ravi wants 
>> > to indulge in his absurd, offensive adolescent fantasies he should find 
>> > another place to do it. 
>> > 
>> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Yep, I agree with Curtis here. What RaviC is doing here is sinful by 
>> > > resolution and no good for the community here. He is not contributing to 
>> > > the conversation but fishing it with this kind of spiritual abuse. As 
>> > > much as anything he is mocking Rick with this stuff. This is needless 
>> > > over the top abuse. The FFL list Moderators should unsubscribe this guy 
>> > > Ravi from FFL.  The guy has fouled out, so to speak. Unsubscribe him now.
>> > > -Buck 
>> > > 
>> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>> > >  wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Scanning over the posts this morning was a little wake-up call. 
>> > > > Imagine my surprise (second time use I know, so lamo but I'm just 
>> > > > getting started here and I'm not warmed up creatively) to see this in 
>> > > > the headers:
>> > > > 
>> > > > "but Steve not being a pervert like Curtis who used his power in a 
>> > > > cult to prey on innocent women"
>> > > > 
>> > > > I gotta say for the first time in all the years posting here, I 
>> > > > considered unlisting. Not because someone said something inflammatory 
>> > > > and untrue about me, but this is a special case of Internet tolling. I 
>> > > > have become a repetitive negative focus for someone and I really can't 
>> > > > win here. The amount of energy such an individual can expend on such a 
>> > > > malicious project is endless (within the 50 posts mercifully) So first 
>> > > > thanks and props to Steve who gets that this could have an impact on 
>> > > > me professionally, due to the amount of material being generated here. 
>> > > > It makes me look like someone with a controversial past which is 
>> > > > untrue. No matter how many times I post a rebuttal this will just 
>> > > > stoke the enthusiasm for more posting. Flooding a forum like this will 
>> > > > a lie repetitively is a power tactic for slander rewarded by search 
>> > > > engines for anyone checking me out here. Being associated with a term 
>> > > > like "pervert" is malicious. 
>> > > > 
>> > > > There is no way to reconcile my view in support of Internet freedom 
>> > > > and particularly the freedom we enjoy here with limiting Ravi's right 
>> > > > to make such repetitive posts. It could hurt me although to chances of 
>> > > > that seem small at this point. He attempted to get on my Facebook 
>> > > > page, which would have escalated the malicious stalking, but I can 
>> > > > control that so it seems that if he wants to continue this campaign 
>> > > > here, I am relatively safe. And I believe that at this point 
>> > > > unsubscribing would not be an answer because of the repetitive nature 
>> > > > of his tourettes like assaults, there is no guarantee that they would 
>> > > > cease, I would just be cutting myself off from being able to defend 
>> > > > myself. So in the manor used for credit report where someone malicious 
>> > > > has decided to assume your identity and F up your credit, I will be 
>> > > > adding a statement regularly for anyone who is checking up on me here 
>> > > > so that my position is clear concerning these charges. It will also 
>> > > > serve as a record of my own clear denials and counter-charges of 
>> > > > malicious intent. Due to the way these posts get viewed online I will 
>> > > > give it its own heading in the following post.
>> > > > 
>> > > > This challenge was an interesting one. It really made me think. What 
>> > > > is the cost of freedom? Freedom is not free. I will happily p

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Ravi Chivukula]

Shut the fuck up Stephen, you little bitch before I bitch slap you in my 
enlightened mania.

You never responded to the little assignment I gave you sly motherfucker.


On Jan 8, 2012, at 4:59 PM, "shukra69"  wrote:

> Rick Archer likes the controversy. At least Ravi has the excuse of being 
> mentally ill. Vaj is just as slanderous but he acts maliciously and in bad 
> faith.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > I agree with Doug. Ravi's continual slanderous, obscenity-laden posts drag 
> > this forum down into the sewer. He should be expelled from this forum 
> > without delay. It is one thing to have serious, even angry disputes with 
> > people, but the other feuding parties here avoid excesses such as those 
> > demonstrated almost every day by Ravi. If the moderators have any respect 
> > for their own forum, they should take action on this issue. If Ravi wants 
> > to indulge in his absurd, offensive adolescent fantasies he should find 
> > another place to do it. 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yep, I agree with Curtis here. What RaviC is doing here is sinful by 
> > > resolution and no good for the community here. He is not contributing to 
> > > the conversation but fishing it with this kind of spiritual abuse. As 
> > > much as anything he is mocking Rick with this stuff. This is needless 
> > > over the top abuse. The FFL list Moderators should unsubscribe this guy 
> > > Ravi from FFL.  The guy has fouled out, so to speak. Unsubscribe him now.
> > > -Buck 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Scanning over the posts this morning was a little wake-up call. Imagine 
> > > > my surprise (second time use I know, so lamo but I'm just getting 
> > > > started here and I'm not warmed up creatively) to see this in the 
> > > > headers:
> > > > 
> > > > "but Steve not being a pervert like Curtis who used his power in a cult 
> > > > to prey on innocent women"
> > > > 
> > > > I gotta say for the first time in all the years posting here, I 
> > > > considered unlisting. Not because someone said something inflammatory 
> > > > and untrue about me, but this is a special case of Internet tolling. I 
> > > > have become a repetitive negative focus for someone and I really can't 
> > > > win here. The amount of energy such an individual can expend on such a 
> > > > malicious project is endless (within the 50 posts mercifully) So first 
> > > > thanks and props to Steve who gets that this could have an impact on me 
> > > > professionally, due to the amount of material being generated here. It 
> > > > makes me look like someone with a controversial past which is untrue. 
> > > > No matter how many times I post a rebuttal this will just stoke the 
> > > > enthusiasm for more posting. Flooding a forum like this will a lie 
> > > > repetitively is a power tactic for slander rewarded by search engines 
> > > > for anyone checking me out here. Being associated with a term like 
> > > > "pervert" is malicious. 
> > > > 
> > > > There is no way to reconcile my view in support of Internet freedom and 
> > > > particularly the freedom we enjoy here with limiting Ravi's right to 
> > > > make such repetitive posts. It could hurt me although to chances of 
> > > > that seem small at this point. He attempted to get on my Facebook page, 
> > > > which would have escalated the malicious stalking, but I can control 
> > > > that so it seems that if he wants to continue this campaign here, I am 
> > > > relatively safe. And I believe that at this point unsubscribing would 
> > > > not be an answer because of the repetitive nature of his tourettes like 
> > > > assaults, there is no guarantee that they would cease, I would just be 
> > > > cutting myself off from being able to defend myself. So in the manor 
> > > > used for credit report where someone malicious has decided to assume 
> > > > your identity and F up your credit, I will be adding a statement 
> > > > regularly for anyone who is checking up on me here so that my position 
> > > > is clear concerning these charges. It will also serve as a record of my 
> > > > own clear denials and counter-charges of malicious intent. Due to the 
> > > > way these posts get viewed online I will give it its own heading in the 
> > > > following post.
> > > > 
> > > > This challenge was an interesting one. It really made me think. What is 
> > > > the cost of freedom? Freedom is not free. I will happily pay the price 
> > > > and will not "go gentle into that good night". I'm fighting back for my 
> > > > own rights and searchable reputation.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
> 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Bhairitu]

On 01/08/2012 07:58 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
> "curtisdeltablues"  wrote:
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786  wrote:
>>> Curtis, ask Alex, anonymity is garanteed here:  one solution
>>> to this is, that you use a different screen name, than your
>>> professional name, and then INSIST, that nobody here who knows
>>> it, could address you with your real/artists name (which could
>>> be everybody). This will be then enforced by the moderators.
>>> You could possibly have all mentions of your artists name,
>>> which are denigatory, removed.
>> Thanks for the kind intentions.  I post here with my sincere
>> beliefs in a way that gives me a little internet search engine
>> room from my professional life.
>>
>> I don't believe that any insistences work here. People have
>> been respectful when I have asked that my full name not be
>> used.  The truth is that these posts are forever.  Our anonymity
>> is long gone.  So we try to do a little patch work here and there,
>> but ultimately, we who have chosen to post on boards like this
>> are searchable and can't stop that.  We can only try to be proud
>> of what we post and let the chips fall where they may.
>>
>> I appreciate your post, thanks!
> Have any of you in the FFL audience ever been blacklisted?
> I mean really, as in seeing an actual physical copy of a
> list circulated to potential employers with a big DO NOT
> HIRE printed across the top in bold, 24-point type?
>
> I have.
>
> A friendly technopimp in New York once showed me the list
> that had my name on it. He, aware of my on-the-job perform-
> ance and my actual talents, laughed it off and described
> it as the work of "cult cranks." Fascinatingly enough, the
> list itself was created and circulated among NYC employers
> by people who called themselves "anti-cultists." They had
> a burr up their butts about Rama - Frenderick Lenz, and had
> decided that the way to put him out of business was to make
> it impossible for his students, most of whom worked in IT,
> to find jobs. So they stole a list of all his students, put
> their names on their DO NOT HIRE list, and distributed it
> widely in New York City. It never really affected me
> personally, but it did affect a number of my good friends
> at the time.
>
> Now think about some of the things that have been said, on
> equally as public a forum, about some on this forum. I have
> been called in the past a tax criminal, a liar, a pervert,
> and many other things. When I applied for residency in Spain,
> the first thing the official in charge of my application did
> when I left his office was Google me, to see what the Internet
> had to say about me. A month later, when I went back to the
> office to pick up the residency card he had approved for me,
> he showed me printouts of a few of the things he had found.
>
> Several of them were from Willytex or Nabby; the vast majority
> of them were from Judy Stein. He referred to all of them as
> "Internet cranks." He looked at me and said, "CIA agent," and
> laughed. I laughed, too. I was fortunate. Not everyone is.
>
> WTF can people who feel that it is their prerogative to make
> up things about the people they don't like to *hurt* them,
> either emotionally or professionally, be *thinking*? When I
> say something about someone here, I try to be conscientious
> enough to always include a bit "IMO," to make it clear that
> anything I say IS opinion. Others do not. As Curtis says,
> the things said here are fuckin' FOREVER, and they have
> effects, both karmic, and real-world.
>
> Catch a fuckin' CLUE, people. Your personal desire to "get"
> someone on your Enemies List doth not give you the right to
> try to "get" them in real life. That just makes you insane,
> not spiritual, or moral.

Then there is the "companies I will not work for" list, which is 
somewhat long and includes any company that would black list me due to 
my Internet activities or does drug testing even though I don't use 
drugs.  In fact it is a downright good reason to make life tough for 
them.  And BTW there are entrepreneurs who would also see such Internet 
activities as a good reason to hire you especially if they ARE looking 
for a maverick.

I would also consider the present day silliness of the general public to 
be a sign that human extinction may well be close at hand (and maybe 
overdue). ;)