Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
On Aug 3, 2012, at 10:06 AM, awoelflebater wrote: Again I have to disagree. If someone's wrong or incorrect in a perception whose fault is that? And who is to say they were wrong? Robin believed himself to have been enlightened and so did many others including me. Are you saying that you think Robin knew he wasn't enlightened the whole time and was pretending for ten years? > > > > > > > into violating that sacred space (for those involved in the dome > > programs); I've heard their hopes and their fears, as I spoke to > > them while they were still doing it, and afterwards. > > > > So what are they doing now? How are they? Did they survive? Are > > they still curled up in the fetal position, inconsolable? > > I cannot say, but I would doubt that. Me too. Let's please keep in mind though, that for some people this type of trauma can last many years or even a lifetime. A recent example, in the context of the TMO provides an example: http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2012/07/recovering-from-transcendental.html > > So you're going with an enablers tack: they survived and they're OK, > so everything's OK, Robin's OK, I'm OK? I'm OK, Robin appears OK but I'm thinking you have a ways to go. Thanks, but I'm fine. > > > > > > > How do you handle this same person recommending abortion for some > > couples "evolution"? > > > > Not the same as undertaking the procedure. As I said, everyone is a > > free agent. Choice, Vaj, choice. No guns to anyone's head. > > But you ignore the key component here: enlightened advice = the > advice to have, if you're on a liberation path. Of course the problem > is, 'what happens when da guru ain't enlightened?' ;-) And what happens when da guru is? How would it differ? Impossible to say. You imply that all enlightened advice results in bouncing babies and happy people. Life isn't like that Vaj, right? Well hopefully it doesn't end in expulsion from college or whatever...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
On Aug 3, 2012, at 12:26 AM, awoelflebater wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:11 PM, "feste37" wrote: > > > So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite different accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! My, oh, my, some people's hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of decorum or decency. > > > > I have never had the impression that Robin is "targeting" anyone. He is working out some ideas and exchanging them with people who are willing to debate or simply chat with him. That's really the purpose of this forum, is it not? > > > > > If we're honest with ourselves, and honest with the people around us, we hopefully tack close to what's actually happening, even in the most relative terms, in our life. > > So the question then becomes, how would you react to someone who caused friends to be expelled from college Only MIU could expel people. I think the key word you're missing is "caused". RWC did not expel these students, he was the cause of their expulsion. > some just before graduation, all that I talked to went on an inviolable faith that the person they put trust in was legit and worth risking their young careers, their young lives. The word "young" makes my eyes water. And oh, what fun they had. I'll bet a degree from MIU was worth the risk. Again, you seem to miss the point - yet another disconnect - they did not get degrees from MIU, they were expelled. >How do you react when you hear someone extolling the virtues of maintaining the meditative purity of domes, while you know and have talked to the students that were tricked How tricked? Everyone is a free agent. These were intelligent, sensitive, strong men. They were adventurers. Nothing in this life is without "risk". The key trick was "look at me, I'm an enlightened man" and based on that faulty information (from my POV) they preceded. I guess really the issue here is that they were part of an organisation that placed great emphasis on alleged "higher" states of consciousness and here was RWC presenting himself as the fulfillment of that ideal, in the flesh. In such a case, the onus falls on the integrity, honesty and maturity of the guru, as he's taking responsibility for his students. into violating that sacred space (for those involved in the dome programs); I've heard their hopes and their fears, as I spoke to them while they were still doing it, and afterwards. So what are they doing now? How are they? Did they survive? Are they still curled up in the fetal position, inconsolable? I cannot say, but I would doubt that. So you're going with an enablers tack: they survived and they're OK, so everything's OK, Robin's OK, I'm OK? How do you handle this same person recommending abortion for some couples "evolution"? Not the same as undertaking the procedure. As I said, everyone is a free agent. Choice, Vaj, choice. No guns to anyone's head. But you ignore the key component here: enlightened advice = the advice to have, if you're on a liberation path. Of course the problem is, 'what happens when da guru ain't enlightened?' ;-) Now while it didn't go as badly as say Rev. Jones or Rajneeshpuram, I'd hope you can see that a similar seed exists in these very different circumstances. So my hope would be that we become wiser - and hopefully more compassionate in action - from seeing these spiritual pathologies acted out. Then we need not be enablers or victims any longer, just wiser to the ways of the world. > > And then there is the demonic confrontations... That " ..." implies so much here. Left to the reader's imagination. Only if they don't ask or make inquiry. Hopefully we would ask ourselves what benefit there was from it? Was it real? Did it represent a pathology of some sort in the guru or some form of direct seeing (of ultimate reality)? If it wasn't real, what does that mean if we encounter similar situations later in life? Are we wiser in response to what we learned, or do we ignore what we've seen and not act in ways that are helpful? Each person will respond very differently. For example one might expect someone who was found to be demonic would react strongly, someone who never was, less so. > > Then as time passes, you forget most of this, only to run into that same person again, weaving the same old patterns (to your perception) once again. What do you do then Feste? We know what you do Vaj. I doubt that, because most of the meaty discussion of RWC and WTS have not taken place on FFL. They've taken place offlist between old movement insiders, therapists and people who were there. > > If you don't get that you're his target audience Feste, then maybe it's because the crosshairs are placed so finely on you, you've missed their very presence. OK, if I had said that I would immediately be branded a DQ
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:11 PM, "feste37" wrote: > So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite different > accusation of criminality, all within a few hours! My, oh, my, some people's > hatred runs so deep it knows no bounds of decorum or decency. > > I have never had the impression that Robin is "targeting" anyone. He is > working out some ideas and exchanging them with people who are willing to > debate or simply chat with him. That's really the purpose of this forum, is > it not? > If we’re honest with ourselves, and honest with the people around us, we hopefully tack close to what’s actually happening, even in the most relative terms, in our life. So the question then becomes, how would you react to someone who caused friends to be expelled from college, some just before graduation, all that I talked to went on an inviolable faith that the person they put trust in was legit and worth risking their young careers, their young lives. How do you react when you hear someone extolling the virtues of maintaining the meditative purity of domes, while you know and have talked to the students that were tricked into violating that sacred space (for those involved in the dome programs); I’ve heard their hopes and their fears, as I spoke to them while they were still doing it, and afterwards. How do you handle this same person recommending abortion for some couples “evolution”? And then there is the demonic confrontations... Then as time passes, you forget most of this, only to run into that same person again, weaving the same old patterns (to your perception) once again. What do you do then Feste? If you don’t get that you’re his target audience Feste, then maybe it’s because the crosshairs are placed so finely on you, you’ve missed their very presence. > I like Robin. I think he is a good guy. I would think you two (and many here) share some similar or even same sentimental moments. R’s sentimentality should appeal to many TM folk.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
"You would think, given that Robin has so radically rejected> TM, that
they'd want to make common cause with him."
You are correct, it's not Maharishi that he's rejected, it's TM.
The second quote is a testament from Robin that he is committed to seeing where
the conversation evolves to.
From: authfriend
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 3:52 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
Not sure what your point here is, Emily. Rather than have me
guess, could you give me a clue?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote:
>
> Â You would think, given that Robin has so radically rejectedTM, that
> they'd want to make common cause with him.
>
> Robin quotes: Â
>
>
> "I still experience that there is almost as much Maharishi inside of me as
> there is me. I don't like it; but that is the consequence of the awesome
> change he wrought in me. I believe I would be one-half the person I am now
> able to be if it were not for meeting Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and coming under
> the tremendous metaphysical integrity of his personality and his
> consciousness."
>
> "Secondly, I am not a doctrinaireâ€"at least in the sense that I would ever
> allow what I believed in to spare me the existential tension, dissonance,
> ordeal of perhaps realizing, in contemplating I could be wrong in those
> beliefs ("wrong" here means: they do not correspond with reality), that
> someone elseâ€"even empty billâ€"is right."
>
>
>
> From: authfriend
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 1:23 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
>
>
> Â
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote:
> >
> > So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite
> > different accusation of criminality, all within a few hours!
>
> As I understand it, he was barred legally from entering
> Jefferson County--I assume that's still in effect, not
> sure--but it had nothing to do with criminality; it was
> part of the outcome of MIU's lawsuit against him back in
> 1983.
>
> > My, oh, my, some people's hatred runs so deep it knows no
> > bounds of decorum or decency.
>
> And Vaj isn't willing to say why he hates Robin so much.
>
> > I have never had the impression that Robin is "targeting"
> > anyone.
>
> Of course he isn't. Targeting them for what? Why?
>
> Vaj knows that's nonsense, but he's hoping others don't.
> He wants to make folks leery of talking to Robin.
>
> > He is working out some ideas and exchanging them with people
> > who are willing to debate or simply chat with him. That's
> > really the purpose of this forum, is it not?
>
> Exactly.
>
> > I like Robin. I think he is a good guy.
>
> Why he makes a few people here freak out is a mystery to me.
> But interestingly, it's the same few people who are in the
> habit of making this forum unpleasant for the TMers here.
> You would think, given that Robin has so radically rejected
> TM, that they'd want to make common cause with him.
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> > >
> > > > But what one doesn't expect is a cult leader, who leaves Neo-Vedism
> > > > and joins...the Catholic church...only to later re-target his old
> > > > audience...as they're probably the only ones interested in
> > > > listeningvia email.
> > > >
> > > > Let's keep in mind, if this person were to set foot in Jefferson
> > > > County, he'd be thrown into jail, no? So if you can't go to
> > > > Fairfield you use email to get to your audience. I mean that has
> > > > to be a first in and of itself: Fairfield guru using email lists
> > > > to gain that lost adulation!
> > >
> > > This is bullshit, deliberate, vicious, thoroughly malicious
> > > bullshit. It's not meant as a joke, it's meant to do harm.
> > >
> > > Vaj is the kind of person who gets his kicks out of harming
> > > people.
> > >
> >
>
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
You would think, given that Robin has so radically rejectedTM, that
they'd want to make common cause with him.
Robin quotes:
"I still experience that there is almost as much Maharishi inside of me as
there is me. I don't like it; but that is the consequence of the awesome change
he wrought in me. I believe I would be one-half the person I am now able to be
if it were not for meeting Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and coming under the
tremendous metaphysical integrity of his personality and his consciousness."
"Secondly, I am not a doctrinaire—at least in the sense that I would ever allow
what I believed in to spare me the existential tension, dissonance, ordeal of
perhaps realizing, in contemplating I could be wrong in those beliefs ("wrong"
here means: they do not correspond with reality), that someone else—even empty
bill—is right."
From: authfriend
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 1:23 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote:
>
> So Vaj moved from the unpleasant pedophile analogy to a quite
> different accusation of criminality, all within a few hours!
As I understand it, he was barred legally from entering
Jefferson County--I assume that's still in effect, not
sure--but it had nothing to do with criminality; it was
part of the outcome of MIU's lawsuit against him back in
1983.
> My, oh, my, some people's hatred runs so deep it knows no
> bounds of decorum or decency.
And Vaj isn't willing to say why he hates Robin so much.
> I have never had the impression that Robin is "targeting"
> anyone.
Of course he isn't. Targeting them for what? Why?
Vaj knows that's nonsense, but he's hoping others don't.
He wants to make folks leery of talking to Robin.
> He is working out some ideas and exchanging them with people
> who are willing to debate or simply chat with him. That's
> really the purpose of this forum, is it not?
Exactly.
> I like Robin. I think he is a good guy.
Why he makes a few people here freak out is a mystery to me.
But interestingly, it's the same few people who are in the
habit of making this forum unpleasant for the TMers here.
You would think, given that Robin has so radically rejected
TM, that they'd want to make common cause with him.
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> > > But what one doesn't expect is a cult leader, who leaves Neo-Vedism
> > > and joins...the Catholic church...only to later re-target his old
> > > audience...as they're probably the only ones interested in
> > > listeningvia email.
> > >
> > > Let's keep in mind, if this person were to set foot in Jefferson
> > > County, he'd be thrown into jail, no? So if you can't go to
> > > Fairfield you use email to get to your audience. I mean that has
> > > to be a first in and of itself: Fairfield guru using email lists
> > > to gain that lost adulation!
> >
> > This is bullshit, deliberate, vicious, thoroughly malicious
> > bullshit. It's not meant as a joke, it's meant to do harm.
> >
> > Vaj is the kind of person who gets his kicks out of harming
> > people.
> >
>
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
First 50 seconds - loving, authentic, and ironic all at the same time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHI9BTpGkp8 From: Robin Carlsen To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 7:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story Most interesting, iranitea. Thank you. My favourite lines from this post: India is filled with many exceptionally beautiful women who don't desire me I verify this every single day as I walk around the city of Bombay I look into face after face and never once have I been wrong The Creator is going to have to really be up for that encounter with Leonard--that loving irony, it might be about as good as it gets. Never knew about this. Appreciate it. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen" wrote: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__ebR_8UKAY&feature=related > > http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com/bombay.html > http://ninamartyris.blogspot.de/2007/04/leonard-cohen-came-looking-in-mumbaiand.html > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-) > > > All I did was forward a music video, under the same > > > Subject title that the person who sent it to me in > > > email did. > > > > > > FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect > > > "soundtrack" to the "groupie metaphor" I've been > > > proposing lately to describe common behavior in > > > spiritual groups. > > > > > > I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured > > > by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the > > > object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That > > > was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably > > > some TV personality or host who was popular in that > > > day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who > > > believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll > > > be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob- > > > ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how > > > groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the > > > projected image, not the reality. > > > > > > Here's a followup "soundtrack song" on the same theme > > > of "spiritual groupies." I like this one because it > > > captures the *polarity* that develops when someone > > > new develops a following among members of an established > > > spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along > > > male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups > > > it's usually split more along dogma/"purity of the > > > teaching" lines. One faction drools over the flashy new > > > wannabee guru, and another faction hates him: > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg > > > > > > And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of > > > spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking > > > their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it > > > difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get > > > so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering > > > under their breaths about "Incredibly Low Standards" > > > on both sides. :-) > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly > > > > > that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I > > > > > make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link > > > > > because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. > > > > > > > > Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be > > > > reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students > > > > way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. > > > > > > > > It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, > > > > it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers > > > > again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess > > > > when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd > > > > that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei > > > > fans here!). > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
I was thinking about those that create false selves that are so real to them, that they forget they created them, in order to protect themselves. Based in fear, looking for safety. One creates a false self in order to not have to create a healthy boundary. We are not taught to understand what a healthy boundary is and that we have the right to set them. If one does not challenge one's false self, one will never move forward, no matter what philosophy/technique one adheres to. From: authfriend To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 11:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > But what one doesn't expect is a cult leader, who leaves Neo-Vedism > and joins...the Catholic church...only to later re-target his old > audience...as they're probably the only ones interested in > listeningvia email. > > Let's keep in mind, if this person were to set foot in Jefferson > County, he'd be thrown into jail, no? So if you can't go to > Fairfield you use email to get to your audience. I mean that has > to be a first in and of itself: Fairfield guru using email lists > to gain that lost adulation! This is bullshit, deliberate, vicious, thoroughly malicious bullshit. It's not meant as a joke, it's meant to do harm. Vaj is the kind of person who gets his kicks out of harming people.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
On 08/02/2012 01:14 AM, turquoiseb wrote: > As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-) > All I did was forward a music video, under the same > Subject title that the person who sent it to me in > email did. > > FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect > "soundtrack" to the "groupie metaphor" I've been > proposing lately to describe common behavior in > spiritual groups. > > I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured > by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the > object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That > was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably > some TV personality or host who was popular in that > day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who > believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll > be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob- > ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how > groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the > projected image, not the reality. Robert Goulet. It was probably on his TV show and meant to be a comedy bit.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
Oh God, hilarious...but is Burt pulling on his chest hair at one point?! From: Robin Carlsen To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 6:45 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mitF1kpMbvg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-) > All I did was forward a music video, under the same > Subject title that the person who sent it to me in > email did. > > FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect > "soundtrack" to the "groupie metaphor" I've been > proposing lately to describe common behavior in > spiritual groups. > > I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured > by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the > object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That > was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably > some TV personality or host who was popular in that > day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who > believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll > be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob- > ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how > groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the > projected image, not the reality. > > Here's a followup "soundtrack song" on the same theme > of "spiritual groupies." I like this one because it > captures the *polarity* that develops when someone > new develops a following among members of an established > spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along > male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups > it's usually split more along dogma/"purity of the > teaching" lines. One faction drools over the flashy new > wannabee guru, and another faction hates him: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg > > And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of > spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking > their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it > difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get > so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering > under their breaths about "Incredibly Low Standards" > on both sides. :-) > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly > > > that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I > > > make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link > > > because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. > > > > Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be > > reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students > > way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. > > > > It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, > > it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers > > again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess > > when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd > > that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei > > fans here!). > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
Wow! Loving that gravelly voice... From: iranitea To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 8:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen" wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__ebR_8UKAY&feature=related http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com/bombay.html http://ninamartyris.blogspot.de/2007/04/leonard-cohen-came-looking-in-mumbaiand.html > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-) > > All I did was forward a music video, under the same > > Subject title that the person who sent it to me in > > email did. > > > > FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect > > "soundtrack" to the "groupie metaphor" I've been > > proposing lately to describe common behavior in > > spiritual groups. > > > > I just loved the almost-drooling adoration captured > > by the three Shangri-Las, and then the twist as the > > object of their adoration rides in on a bike. That > > was funny! I don't recognize the guy -- probably > > some TV personality or host who was popular in that > > day -- but he captured perfectly the kinda guy who > > believes that if he dresses like a macho biker, he'll > > be perceived as a macho biker, even though he's prob- > > ably gayer than Liberace. And, of course, that's how > > groupie adoration works -- they're in love with the > > projected image, not the reality. > > > > Here's a followup "soundtrack song" on the same theme > > of "spiritual groupies." I like this one because it > > captures the *polarity* that develops when someone > > new develops a following among members of an established > > spiritual groups. Here the groupie thang is split along > > male/female dividing lines, but in real spiritual groups > > it's usually split more along dogma/"purity of the > > teaching" lines. One faction drools over the flashy new > > wannabee guru, and another faction hates him: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhH1MkzU7dg > > > > And at the same time, there is a wiser majority of > > spiritual seekers standing on the periphery, shaking > > their heads in dismay at both factions, finding it > > difficult to comprehend how *any* of them could get > > so worked up about such a nobody, and muttering > > under their breaths about "Incredibly Low Standards" > > on both sides. :-) > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly > > > > that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I > > > > make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link > > > > because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. > > > > > > Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be > > > reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students > > > way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. > > > > > > It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, > > > it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers > > > again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. I guess > > > when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd > > > that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei > > > fans here!). > > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
On Aug 2, 2012, at 4:14 AM, turquoiseb wrote: As I suggested earlier, I'm stayin' out of this one. :-) All I did was forward a music video, under the same Subject title that the person who sent it to me in email did. FFL personalities aside, I thought it was a perfect "soundtrack" to the "groupie metaphor" I've been proposing lately to describe common behavior in spiritual groups. And that's a given. One expects it. But what one doesn't expect is a cult leader, who leaves Neo-Vedism and joins...the Catholic church...only to later re-target his old audience...as they're probably the only ones interested in listeningvia email. Let's keep in mind, if this person were to set foot in Jefferson County, he'd be thrown into jail, no? So if you can't go to Fairfield you use email to get to your audience. I mean that has to be a first in and of itself: Fairfield guru using email lists to gain that lost adulation! Robin, by the grace of god, will you please manifest...atonement? TIA. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
On Aug 2, 2012, at 12:13 AM, awoelflebater wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:56 PM, turquoiseb wrote: > > > Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly > > that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I > > make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link > > because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. > > > Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, one cannot help be reminded of previous incidents with innocent MIU students way back when. It's too uncannily familiar. Oh Vaj, Vaj, Vaj. I was hardly innocent. I wasn't looking for anything except something unique, intelligent, exciting and new. So don't start defining categorically the characteristics of those who found and followed and engaged Mr Carlsen. I was no babe in the woods and hardly without smarts so you can just stuff that little assertion of yours back in the junk pile where it belongs. Well don't assume I was talking about you. I believe you had already graduated, no? > > It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's founder and allegedly found Jesus - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a playground. You groom horses Vaj. Or maybe it is you who is feeling the siren call of Robin. It would be for the first time then. Unfortunately I think you're a little late joining the queue. It wound itself down 25 years ago. But I have some great old pictures if you want to relive some great old times. I'd be happy to see them. Thanks for sharing. I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only crowd that fall for the routine (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!). What does this "falling for it" look like? Perhaps you are mistaking civilized exchange for adulation. I'm mere observing a old patterns I've seen before, no more, no less.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
I was wondering *who* the new bunch of TM'ers might be. Vaj, a sincere apology for your ugly analogy is needed from you. Way beyond the pale. From: authfriend To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 8:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story Good grief, Vaj has his insane Robin-hatred on again. Nobody knows why he loathes Robin so much, and Vaj refuses to say. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > Watching RWC work a new bunch of TMers, Says Vaj, starting right out with a lie, one anybody who reads the traffic *knows* is a lie. There's no "new bunch of TMers" here. The only TMer newbie to FFL Robin's been talking to is Share. > one cannot help be reminded of previous incidents with > innocent MIU students way back when. It's too uncannily > familiar. Not from everything I've read and heard, nope, not even remotely. > It's interesting that someone who denounced the TM Org, it's > founder and allegedly found Jesus Another lie. He's rejected Catholicism and has made that clear as crystal. > - is grooming TMers again like an out-of-jail pedophile at a > playground. Let's nominate this for one of the "vicious" posts that Barry's been demanding examples of. I think we can all agree that "out-of-jail pedophile at a playground" is about as vicious as it gets. "Grooming TMers"? For what? Obviously not for TM. Which automatically rules out any similarity to what he was doing at MIU almost 30 years ago. If you haven't been reading Robin's posts, Vaj, why on earth are you even talking about them? > I guess when it really comes down to it, TMers are the only > crowd that fall for the routine Which "routine" is that, Vaj? And what about Emily? She likes him, and she's not a TMer. > (I'm excluding possible Opus Dei fans here!). Not too likely Opus Dei fans would fall for the "routine" of an apostate from Catholicism. Just compare the tone and honesty of Vaj's posts to those of Robin's posts, and you have a really clear idea of what kind of person each of them is. Why is Vaj so threatened by Robin discussing his philosophy? Why can't Robin be allowed to do what everyone else here does all the time without being vilified and lied about?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
Feeling very Echo y here (-: Fun to read you and Xeno, also you and Cricket. As for that other post, as Jerry Seinfeld would say, "I'm not making this up," there's been a woman in the Dome for about a month now who looks EXACTLY like that nurse! She used to sit right in front of me and give me the thumbs up when she stepped over me to get to her backjack. Looking like a dark haired Anjolie Joli and acting like jolly hockey sticks. It's a funny old world for sure... From: Robin Carlsen To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:12 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly > that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I > make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link > because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiJaNSXlYuQ Robert Goulet could sing (and is Canadian), but this is better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya46wfeWqJk
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story
Ha ha haRobin, Robin, Robinmethinks you are channeling the esteemed Mr. Price here with this one, for sure. Send him my regards. From: Robin Carlsen To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Robin Carlsen Story --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > Someone just sent this to me in email, suggesting unkindly > that the four people in it reminded him of FFL lately. I > make no comment whatsoever on that, but forward the link > because it made me chuckle, and might do the same for you. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiJaNSXlYuQ More (not for Buck'e eyes) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbHcR3JjLyo&feature=youtu.be
