Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today's conspiracy theory seldom becomes tomorow's news
new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: new.morning wrote: Remember today's conspiracy theory may well be tomorrow's news. Actually, no. You have it backwards. There are 10,000's conspiracy theories -- few ever come to anything. But a few do. It is a huge logical fallacy to think that because some event was presaged by a conspiracy theorist, that therefore most conspiracy theories are valid and come true. Unfortunately this is a common defect found in the mind-set of many conspiracy nutes. Tomorrow's news periodically will be based on a conspiracy theory -- but today's conspiracy theory seldom becomes tomorow's news. Your proof? HAHAHA. Great imitation and parody of a die-hard conspiratist. You got the dumb-struck cluelessness of many conspiratorists perfectly. Only a total fool would look at the 10,000's of conspiracy theories that were present in the 60's and/or 70's and/or 80s that have not panned out -- only a few have born any seeds of credibility -- to realize there is far from a 1:1 correspondence between conspiracy theories and their actual fruition 10-30 years later. Its maybe closer to a 1:1,000,000 correspondence. Ya know you dodn't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. :) HAHA. keep up the great work on these parodies. They are killing me. :) Great I'll keep posting what you believe to be conspiracy theories then. I know a lot of New Age folks and Indiaphiles find such things entertaining so that's why I post them.I suspect if I had told you back in the 70's that the Gulf of Tonkin was a false flag operation you would have thought me nuts. But we know now it was. The reason some people reject what they feel are conspiracy theories is that they don't want to be seen as kooks themselves if they entertain them. Therefore its an ego thing. They want to maintain some *image* of being a sensible person. If the conspiracy (in some case not a conspiracy at all but a strategy by a group) pans out to be true then they don't feel bad about being fooled as was most of the rest of the populace. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today's conspiracy theory seldom becomes tomorow's news
authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: new.morning wrote: Remember today's conspiracy theory may well be tomorrow's news. Actually, no. You have it backwards. There are 10,000's conspiracy theories -- few ever come to anything. But a few do. It is a huge logical fallacy to think that because some event was presaged by a conspiracy theorist, that therefore most conspiracy theories are valid and come true. Unfortunately this is a common defect found in the mind-set of many conspiracy nutes. Tomorrow's news periodically will be based on a conspiracy theory -- but today's conspiracy theory seldom becomes tomorow's news. Your proof? HAHAHA. Great imitation and parody of a die-hard conspiratist. You got the dumb-struck cluelessness of many conspiratorists perfectly. Only a total fool would look at the 10,000's of conspiracy theories that were present in the 60's and/or 70's and/or 80s that have not panned out -- only a few have born any seeds of credibility -- to realize there is far from a 1:1 correspondence between conspiracy theories and their actual fruition 10-30 years later. Its maybe closer to a 1:1,000,000 correspondence. Ya know you dodn't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. :) HAHA. keep up the great work on these parodies. They are killing me. :) Great I'll keep posting what you believe to be conspiracy theories then. I know a lot of New Age folks and Indiaphiles find such things entertaining so that's why I post them. I suspect if I had told you back in the 70's that the Gulf of Tonkin was a false flag operation you would have thought me nuts. But we know now it was. FWIW, a lot of the '70s conspiracy theories turned out to be true, the biggest, of course, being Watergate and its revelations of Nixon's evildoing. Then Iran-contra turned out to be true, and of course Clinton-Lewinski. Most of the big scandals don't just come out of nowhere; they're almost always conspiracy theories before they're exposed as fact. The reason some people reject what they feel are conspiracy theories is that they don't want to be seen as kooks themselves if they entertain them. On the other hand, Bhairitu, some people are just selective about which conspiracy theories they'll entertain, on the basis of whether they make sense or not. Hence the use of the word some in my statement as for some it is about image. In fact I think that is true more often than not. And then there's the meta-conspiracy theory, which *I* think makes sense, that a lot of the conspiracy theories are based on *disinformation* put out by people who are trying to distract attention from real dirt. The unselective conspiracy theorists get all excited and go after the red herrings, which keeps them from investigating what the disinformation- pushers want to keep hidden. The inside job theory of 9/11, in all its many forms, is one example. Certainly disinformation agents will post other conspiracy theories to distract and further confuse the issues. But 19 hijackers taking over airplanes using box cutters sounds more like a conspiracy theory to a lot of people. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today's conspiracy theory seldom becomes tomorow's news
new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: new.morning wrote: Great I'll keep posting what you believe to be conspiracy theories then. I know a lot of New Age folks and Indiaphiles find such things entertaining so that's why I post them. I suspect if I had told you back in the 70's that the Gulf of Tonkin was a false flag operation you would have thought me nuts. Well, I would have thought you quite foolish if you using (your apparrently repeated flawed logic) that governament manipulation happns, and therefore all conspiracy theories must be true. Gulf of Tonkin was quite odd from the beginning. It was hardly a small fringe of improbabilists that raised major issues regarding it early on and over the years. To say during Johnson's reign that the goverment was distorting, lying about, and manipulating the news from and on Viet-nam was hardly a fringe view. It was clear to all but the brain dead. (Those in fraternities ... :)) My point from my past post was: Of the 10,000's of conspiracy theories that were present in the 60's and/or 70's and/or 80s that have not panned out -- only a few have born any seeds of credibility -- far from a 1:1 correspondence between conspiracy theories and their actual fruition 10-30 years later. This is just a statement you made up. And as Judy points out not necessarily true. If you disagree with that, which you appear to perhaps be doing, ok. Paranoid on! All I am doing is presenting these issues for peoples consideration. If I want to play on a hunch or intuitive insight I will. My intuition has usually been more right than wrong regardless who crazy the idea is. A lot of people here thought I was wacko about the recent airline bomb plot when I pointed out it was bogus. Later the news showed it was. Now lets see some of your intuitive insight Mr. I'm in Brahman. The reason some people reject what they feel are conspiracy theories is that they don't want to be seen as kooks themselves if they entertain them. I am sure there is some small population of very insecure people who react this way. In contrast, personally, I don't give much probability to theories that have little or no evidence -- and have odd features. Other things, with mounting credible evidence, I give higher and higher assessements of plausibility and probability. Guess you're not a theoretical physicist or mathematician nor an artist nor musician. You on the other hand, appear to be stuck in far more black and white world -- giving high probability to theories with little evidence -- and apparently casting those who don't share such weak assessments as having some mental imbalance. Hardly. If anything its you who are stuck in the black and white world. You're the one who wants to see the world in hard facts. And why is that? Afraid you'll be found wrong? Therefore its an ego thing. Thats quite a huge and bizarre jump of logic if you are trying to imply its an ego thing with all people who disagree with your theories. If you simply mean that, extending your above thout, that some small population of very insecure people also have ego issues, well, that seems quite plausible. I didn't say all people did I? I said some people. The vast majority of people on this planet have ego issues. Apparently you must not go out in public and observer people? Worse yet society has been reinforcing ego through their self-esteem building programs. It is mainly those on the spiritual path who succeed in diminishing ego and some to the point there is only enough to keep them in their physical body. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today's conspiracy theory seldom becomes tomorow's news
sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I didn't say all people did I? I said some people. The vast majority of people on this planet have ego issues. Apparently you must not go out in public and observer people? Worse yet society has been reinforcing ego through their self-esteem building programs. It is mainly those on the spiritual path who succeed in diminishing ego and some to the point there is only enough to keep them in their physical body. I prefer MMY's claim that one expands the ego to infinity, rather than reducing it to nothing. I got my comment from his talks. He wasn't talking about it expanding to infinity then. Doesn't matter the experience is the same. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today's conspiracy theory seldom becomes tomorow's news
new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: new.morning wrote: Thats quite a huge and bizarre jump of logic if you are trying to imply its an ego thing with all people who disagree with your theories. If you simply mean that, extending your above thout, that some small population of very insecure people also have ego issues, well, that seems quite plausible. I didn't say all people did I? I made the condition statement if you are trying to imply [on the the otehr hand ] If you simply mean that, if you are seroisly asking, I didn't say all people did I?' then i think we do have a major language barrier. I ask in all sincerity, is English your native language? If not, I would understand that some basic english constructions don't translate well for you. And would explain your interesting responses. I said some people. Yes. and did you carefully read what i said? The vast majority of people on this planet have ego issues. OK. Worse yet society has been reinforcing ego through their self-esteem building programs. OK It is mainly those on the spiritual path who succeed in diminishing ego and some to the point there is only enough to keep them in their physical body. And your success thus far in achieving such? There is no value in me revealing that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Today's conspiracy theory seldom becomes tomorow's news
new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: new.morning wrote: My point from my past post was: Of the 10,000's of conspiracy theories that were present in the 60's and/or 70's and/or 80s that have not panned out -- only a few have born any seeds of credibility -- far from a 1:1 correspondence between conspiracy theories and their actual fruition 10-30 years later. This is just a statement you made up. And as Judy points out not necessarily true. Perhaps we are having a language malfunction here. Your statemetn above implies that you believe that all conspiracy theories over the past 30 years are true. My point, above, in other words, is that they are not. If you truly believe they are -- eveything depicting a conspiritorial charge written or voiced in the past 30+ years is true -- including in the Berkeley Barb, The Inquirier, the British tabloids, Rush Limbaugh, the John Birch Society (the communist conspiracy), Ted Kazinski, posts om FFL, the Nixon Whitehouse (they are all out to get me, the jews, the students, the arabs, the democrats, the ivy-leagers, the marchers), the Johnson White House, the Bush White house (the muslim conspiracy) --- many more examples, etc, then enough said. I think your position, view and state are clear. If you don't hold such an extreme view, and do not hold that there is a 1:1 correspondence bewteen each and every conspiracy theories and their actual fruition 10-30 years later, then we are in agreement. All I am doing is presenting these issues for peoples consideration. If I want to play on a hunch or intuitive insight I will. Thats fine. Thats far from implying all conspiratorial claims in the past 30 years have turned out correct. My intuition has usually been more right than wrong regardless who crazy the idea is. A lot of people here thought I was wacko about the recent airline bomb plot when I pointed out it was bogus. Later the news showed it was. HAHAHAHA. You are a legend in your own mind. Some aspects of the plot are weird, some odd, some amusing. But if you are implying the plot was totally manufactured by Blair and Bush, and this has been fully and indisputible confirmed in the press, then you really are quite whacko. Now lets see some of your intuitive insight Mr. I'm in Brahman. Huh? I am sure there is some small population of very insecure people who react this way. In contrast, personally, I don't give much probability to theories that have little or no evidence -- and have odd features. Other things, with mounting credible evidence, I give higher and higher assessements of plausibility and probability. Guess you're not a theoretical physicist or mathematician nor an artist nor musician. I have worked with risk assessment and and decisions under uncertainty most of my professional life. Sounds like you have not. Indeed I have but I don't let left brain approaches be the only method of resolvement. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
