[FairfieldLife] Re: Unity and sidhis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's baiting the Awakened Ones on the forum. Most of > > > > > > > > them are unwilling > > > > > > > > to take the bait, apparently... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps it's the wrong bait? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps its the fact that it is bait? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps its the intent to fish? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps nobody's awake? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I opt for all of the above. Zzzz. > > > > > > > > > > So all the Awake are asleep? > > > > > > > > One may be asleep, one may be awake ... > > > > what difference to Sparaig does either make? :-) > > > > > > More importantly, what difference to either does Sparaig make? > > > > > > IOW, why would an Awakened ONe bother reading/posting on this > > forum? > > > > It's fun? > > MMY's commentary about continuing to act due to inertia (habits) > suggests that any enlightened one who finds arguing on a forum like > this fun, needed to get a life a long time ago... Truth be told, I *don't* really have a life of my own anymore, and that is perfectly OK with me. I do find communing with others here to be highly enjoyable :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unity and sidhis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 8/8/05 9:40 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> wrote: > > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >> > > >>>> IOW, why would an Awakened ONe bother reading/posting on this > > >>> forum? > > >>> > > >>> It's fun? > > >> > > >> Just seems awfully *attached* somehow. > > > > > > Then again, you seem to be of the opinion that the > > > Awakened should only tell you what you want to > > > hear, so I'm not convinced you have sufficient > > > unattachment to render an impartial judgment > > > on the situation. :-) > > > > > > The best answer has already been given -- "Because > > > it's fun." > > > > > > The next best answer might be "To learn more about > > > the infinite mysteries of creation by learning more > > > about the almost infinite number of ways that humans > > > *can* become awakened." > > > > The question "why would they post" seems to imply that the poster > believes > > awakened people are so high and mighty that they would never do > something so > > mundane as participate in a chat group. > > Where people exchange constant insults, make insulting references to > former teachers, and in general, exchange no useful information? > > Blink, blink... why would that seem counterproductive for someone who > is enlightened? Of what import is the thin rind of an orange compared to the bounty of its sweet, sweet juice? Indeed, even the rind imparts its zest :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unity and sidhis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 8/8/05 9:56 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>> wrote: > > >>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>>>> IOW, why would an Awakened ONe bother reading/posting on this > > >>>> forum? > > >>>> > > >>>> It's fun? > > >>> > > >>> Just seems awfully *attached* somehow. > > >> > > >> Then again, you seem to be of the opinion that the > > >> Awakened should only tell you what you want to > > >> hear, so I'm not convinced you have sufficient > > >> unattachment to render an impartial judgment > > >> on the situation. :-) > > > > > > OOOPS, yer a little mixed up, as usual. Got it > > > backwards, in fact. > > > > > > What I *don't* want the Awakened to tell me is > > > that I'm *not* attached, see. > > > > > > Now, think hard, Barry: What could I possibly > > > be suggesting by saying, "Seems awfully > > > *attached* somehow"? > > > > How can you tell whether a person is attached to the actions they > are > > performing? > > Empathy? I know that if I were healthier, I'd be doing something more > interesting, productive, life-supporting and entertaining than typing > these words. One's actions (being essentially automatic) may not change overmuch when one makes a shift, but one's appreciation of them, their recipients, and their milieu may increase exponentially :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unity and sidhis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > on 8/8/05 9:40 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>>> IOW, why would an Awakened ONe bother reading/posting on > > this > > > > >>> forum? > > > > >>> > > > > >>> It's fun? > > > > >> > > > > >> Just seems awfully *attached* somehow. > > > > > > > > > > Then again, you seem to be of the opinion that the > > > > > Awakened should only tell you what you want to > > > > > hear, so I'm not convinced you have sufficient > > > > > unattachment to render an impartial judgment > > > > > on the situation. :-) > > > > > > > > > > The best answer has already been given -- "Because > > > > > it's fun." > > > > > > > > > > The next best answer might be "To learn more about > > > > > the infinite mysteries of creation by learning more > > > > > about the almost infinite number of ways that humans > > > > > *can* become awakened." > > > > > > > > The question "why would they post" seems to imply that the > > poster > > > believes > > > > awakened people are so high and mighty that they would never do > > > something so > > > > mundane as participate in a chat group. > > > > > > Where people exchange constant insults, make insulting references > > to > > > former teachers, and in general, exchange no useful information? > > > > > > Blink, blink... why would that seem counterproductive for someone > > who > > > is enlightened? > > > > Of what import is the thin rind of an orange compared to the bounty > > of its sweet, sweet juice? Indeed, even the rind imparts its zest :- > ) > > Some rind is better than others? Not that I have noticed; rind is really just juice that thinks it is congealed :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unity and sidhis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > H... I'm posting as an unhealthy, grieiving, out of work > programmer, wannabe animator, etc. My time spent online posting this > BS could be far better spent doing other things. YMMV of course. I see, sparaig; many thanks for your openness in sharing this. It sounds as if your life-story at the moment is very painful; you have my deepest and warmest sympathies. Ill health, deep grief and the feeling of having lost one's way must be very difficult indeed. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unity and sidhis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You've never eaten "mexican oranges" have you... *lol* No, I don't believe I have :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unity and sidhis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I guess "mexican orange" is a local term. Its most commonly known > as "sour orange": > > http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/sour_orange.html OK, many thanks for the link! > TRUST me. You don't eat the rind. Well, the analogy breaks down a bit even with an ordinary orange :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestine people do not exist....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > snip > > > > Right, so why can't Israel exist peacefully in 'Palestine'? > > > > > > Beats me, though I don't think the 'we were here first' argument > > works > > > well. > > > > > > Probably because the Israeli state was created by the British from > > > seized Arab land in the late 40's, in order to weaken the Arab > > > nationalist movement. No one ever goes for that stuff, and there > > has > > > been war there ever since. > > > > I think you are mistaken, the *JEWS* bought most of the land from > > absentie lanlords (Arabs), it was nothing but barren. The JEWS made > > it > > what it is todayisn't that reason enough? (Plus having been there > > since the beginning of time). > > Is that the 6000 year old "beginning of time" per the Old Testement > (as interpreted by some) or the 20 million years ago "beginning of > time" that the progenitors of all current humanity migrated out of > Ethiopia, or the 6 billion? years beginning of time when the earth was > created, ot the 20? billions years ago "beginning of time" since the > big bang? I have read that 80 to 90 percent of Israel's population is Ashkenazi, who are thought to be caucasoid descendants of the eastern-European Khazars, who never lived in the Near- or Middle- East, and who converted to Judaism as late as the 7th or 8th century CE. Only the remaining 10 to 20 percent are Sephardic, who actually *did* originate in or near the region now known as Israel, and who (I have read) are currently treated as distinctly second-class citizens in Israel. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Answers from Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The other thing to look at though is rising sign, which can mitigate > the sun sign. I'm Gemini but Taurus rising, so it has a stabilizing > influence. On the other hand, we Geminis are the life of the party, > can learn anything, and easy to get along with. > > ---Actually, being a double Libra, I get along really well with Geminis, but that's as friends. However, I figure they're a bit too mental to live a very long and stable life as my child. I would prefer an earth sign, a child with some stability. > > Funny that my current wife was giving me a hard time about my geminian > traits (she's an Aquarius) until I looked at her chart and saw that > her rising sign was...you guessed it, Gemini. > > That sounds like fun. > > Easiest way to avoid adding another Gemini is try to concieve now. > August + 9 = Pisces, I think... > > That would be weird. I've never known a Pisces I think. Would be weirder if the child were born a Pisces 9 months from now -- more likely a Taurus :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Answers from Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > The other thing to look at though is rising sign, which can > > mitigate > > > the sun sign. I'm Gemini but Taurus rising, so it has a > > stabilizing > > > influence. On the other hand, we Geminis are the life of the > > party, > > > can learn anything, and easy to get along with. > > > > > > ---Actually, being a double Libra, I get along really well with > > Geminis, but that's as friends. However, I figure they're a bit > too > > mental to live a very long and stable life as my child. I would > > prefer an earth sign, a child with some stability. > > > > > > Funny that my current wife was giving me a hard time about my > > geminian > > > traits (she's an Aquarius) until I looked at her chart and saw > > that > > > her rising sign was...you guessed it, Gemini. > > > > > > That sounds like fun. > > > > > > Easiest way to avoid adding another Gemini is try to concieve > now. > > > August + 9 = Pisces, I think... > > > > > > That would be weird. I've never known a Pisces I think. > > > > Would be weirder if the child were born a Pisces 9 months from > now -- > > more likely a Taurus :-) > > Yeah, I was too lazy to pull my astrology card out of my wallet and > calculate it. Seemed like a good compromise between taking it > seriously, or not. Thanks for the precision though. *lol* well, semi-precise from the Western Astrologer's POV -- woould probably be an Aries in Jyotish, and a Gemini in the Taurus- Equinox "Purusha" system :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is trusting oneself a prerequisite for enlighte
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This wasn't about what prevents one from being > enlightened but rather what "ignorance" feels > like in the body. I love the way you put ignorance in quotes here, Judy! And wonder what would happen if one ceased to label these specific feelings as "ignorance" or "unpleasant" and instead decided to try on the story that they are simply unfamiliar or mislabeled manifestations of "God" or bliss, while we merely sat with them, and allowed them to breathe (i.e. imagined our nose to be where they are and that they were actually breathing for us), resting easily into them, while being narrowly focussed into whatever portion of our body they happened to be in *this* moment... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is trusting oneself a prerequisite for enlighte
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm afraid there are limits to my imagination. It's simply a matter of attending innocently to the sensations, allowing them to "breathe" -- a way to unravel our learned-response- story that they are "bad" or "ignorance" :-) > Seriously, Rory, that kind of stuff just doesn't > resonate with me. It feels like the spiritual > equivalent of the worst kind of psychobabble. Well, I admit it's harder to describe than it is to practice -- MMY's "feeling the body" is perhaps a simpler way to describe it; "rebirthing" is another. > Transcending, I get. It works for me; it's taking > me in the right direction. What I described has > become less and less compelling, less "sticky," > over the years. Yes, IMO transcending is great, and necessary. It steeps us in the wholeness, safely away from all the troubles. This "rebirthing" or "feeling the body" is what I would call the other half of the equation -- learning to incarnate the body *as* transcendence, using our well-trained attention to transform all the apparent troubles or densities into their true nature -- being, or radiant bliss, or love. > I'm not complaining about my situation, as some > would like you to believe (because it provides > greater opportunities for them to make putdowns). > > My "complaint," such as it is, has always been > about people telling me I can't trust my own > experience and should believe what I'm told > my experience "really" is by those whose > experience is different. Understandable. I was only trying to point out that just *underneath* the interpretation of the experience as "suffering" or "ignorance" is an easier way to appreciate it as bliss -- a bit like an old TV set, where we had a choice (for example) of looking at and getting involved in the sturm-und-drang of a soap opera, or looking a little closer and seeing that the whole drama was actually just little light-beams zipping across the screen :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is trusting oneself a prerequisite for enlighte
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... just > *underneath* the interpretation of the experience as "suffering" > or "ignorance" is an easier way to appreciate it as bliss -- a bit > like an old TV set, where we had a choice (for example) of looking > at and getting involved in the sturm-und-drang of a soap opera, or > looking a little closer and seeing that the whole drama was actually > just little light-beams zipping across the screen :-) So we have at least a couple of approaches, *if* we are getting tired of the same old repetitive soap-opera (and if we are not, or don't see it that way, then we may of course simply disregard all of this) -- One, by noticing that the soap-opera is indeed simply a soap-opera, that is, a dramatic mental-emotional "script" or story -- and Byron Katie's work beautifully "deconstructs" suffering from this angle; And/or Two, by using breath and innocent attention to notice that the bodily sensations or feelings we have been labelling "suffering" or "ignorance" are indeed on closer look simply love and bliss, reintegrating these "exiled" or "rejected" portions of ourselves into our wholeness. Yet another way, if we are feeling like or identifying with the small- self sufferer, is to remember or affirm our loving relationship to our large-Self divinity, and to surrender into Him and/or Her. This way and the second way are complementary -- we may either find the small-self sufferer "inside" us, as a pinpoint of discomfort in the body, and direct loving attention to this "child-self" of ours, and/or we may find the large-self Lover "outside" or "around" us, as larger than we are, and relax into Him or Her or Us. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: American karma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 8/12/05 11:00 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> Interesting to note that Amma received three death threats from TM > > folks the > >> first time she came here, but wasn't intimidated. > > > > Obviously "off the program" types. > > A spiritual teacher who was planning to come about a month before her was > also threatened (and decided not to come). The FBI traced one of the calls > to campus. I wouldn't think most "off the program" types would have enough investment in the TMO to be threatened by Amma, unless your definition of "off the program" differs from mine :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 8/13/04 7:47 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > -There's no sense of original purity of which we partake,
there's just a
> > -we must purify the world- approach. That's not very advaita.
Moreover,
> > remaking the world is not very advaita either. All of which
leads me to think
> > that he is not advaita either, which means he's not in unity at
all.
>
>
> He may not be in Unity. I have no idea. But I don¹t think that a
desire to
> help the world indicates one is not in unity.
One apparently cannot determine the state of consciousness of
another from their actions; probably given the observer/observed
uncertainty one can never adequately determine the state of
consciousness of another, if one is not functioning at least from
Brahman and willing to completely "be" the other, or know the other
as oneself. Even in Unity there is room for inaccuracy, as one is in
U.C. still potentially perceiving from the POV of an unchallenged
or "unslain" small-self.
Only in Brahman is one aware of the spatio-temporal ("impermanent")
and egoic nature of all the standard seven SoC (and thus sees that
there is no real difference between "ignorance"
and "enlightenment"), and even in Brahman one is or may be
functioning through a "resurrected" small-self, which itself still
may be quite capable of inaccurate perception-filters and so on. :-)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So I have apparently confused myself on this distinction. It appears > that in Unity we see everything in terms of ourselves, and in > Brahman, there is fundamentally no 'our self'. Or alternatively, > there is one Self: Brahman. Period. The creation has the > overwhelming characteristic of Wholeness and perfection. Yes, sounds good. > So what is Unity? Paradoxically, there appears to be a duality in > Unity because of *the sense of perception of Oneness*, the > perception of Unity. Yes, there is still potentially a duality in Unity. The Unity is (or can be) strictly between the perceiver and the specific object of perception, with the surrounding ambience not being particuarly enlivened or recognized. Hence the four phrases of Mahavakya: I am THAT (C.C.), Thou art THAT (G.C.), All this is THAT (U.C.), and finally THAT ALONE IS (Brahman). To use my old Purusha-Prakriti model, in U.C. Purusha has descended as far down through the (cosmic) body as the Solar Plexus (where the small "I" hangs out), and Prakriti has ascended up through the body to the same spot, but as they have not yet overlapped, the small "I" still subtly thinks it exists and is holding everything together; is actually experiencing these things :-) > Whereas in Brahman, there is no perception of Unity, there is just > *being* Brahman. Yes, Brahman is not really a specific state of consciousness like the standard seven; it is merely perfection now. To use the above model, the time-space existence of or identification through the small self is finally "extinguished" as Purusha and Prakriti overlap, so that "Brahman" is neither absolute nor relative, nor both together, nor neither, and so on. There can be perception of (or via) Unity, G.C., or C.C., or waking, or dreaming, or sleeping, or perhaps more accurately all of these will be going on simultaneously, and where one "is" is simply a question of focus in this moment -- on which aspect of oneself one is attending to and through. In Brahman, the double-cone of consciousness has realized itself alone, and that all the beloved states of consciousness are merely conic sections of itself: point (sleep), line (dream), plane (waking), circle (TC), ellipse (CC), parabola (GC), hyperbola (UC). > Is that correct? Although I have experienced Unity several times, I > am not 100% clear about the distinction of Unity and Brahman. Yes, you can "experience" Unity, but you cannot "experience" Brahman -- Brahman experiences you :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
> --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > One apparently cannot determine the state of
> > consciousness of
> > > another from their actions; probably given the
> > observer/observed
> > > uncertainty one can never adequately determine the
> > state of
> > > consciousness of another, if one is not
> > functioning at least from
> > > Brahman and willing to completely "be" the other,
> > or know the
> > other
> > > as oneself. Even in Unity there is room for
> > inaccuracy, as one is
> > in
> > > U.C. still potentially perceiving from the POV of
> > an unchallenged
> > > or "unslain" small-self.
> > >
> > > Only in Brahman is one aware of the
> > spatio-temporal
> > ("impermanent")
> > > and egoic nature of all the standard seven SoC
> > (and thus sees that
> > > there is no real difference between "ignorance"
> > > and "enlightenment"), and even in Brahman one is
> > or may be
> > > functioning through a "resurrected" small-self,
> > which itself still
> > > may be quite capable of inaccurate
> > perception-filters and so
> > on. :-)
> >
> > So I have apparently confused myself on this
> > distinction. It appears
> > that in Unity we see everything in terms of
> > ourselves, and in
> > Brahman, there is fundamentally no 'our self'. Or
> > alternatively,
> > there is one Self: Brahman. Period. The creation has
> > the
> > overwhelming characteristic of Wholeness and
> > perfection.
> >
> > So what is Unity? Paradoxically, there appears to be
> > a duality in
> > Unity because of *the sense of perception of
> > Oneness*, the
> > perception of Unity.
> >
> > Whereas in Brahman, there is no perception of Unity,
> > there is just
> > *being* Brahman.
> >
> > Is that correct? Although I have experienced Unity
> > several times, I
> > am not 100% clear about the distinction of Unity and
> > Brahman.
>
> On my TTC in LaAntilla MMY started talking alot about
> BC. A distinction he made between UC and BC was that
> UC was a state of consciousness and BC was not a
> state, but the "wholeness" of consciousness.
Precisely!
How this
> translates experientially, I do not know!
"I" may not know indeed :-)
>
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > So I have apparently confused myself on this > > > distinction. It appears > > > that in Unity we see everything in terms of > > > ourselves, and in > > > Brahman, there is fundamentally no 'our self'. Or > > > alternatively, > > > there is one Self: Brahman. Period. The creation has > > > the > > > overwhelming characteristic of Wholeness and > > > perfection. > > > > > > So what is Unity? Paradoxically, there appears to be > > > a duality in > > > Unity because of *the sense of perception of > > > Oneness*, the > > > perception of Unity. > > > > > > Whereas in Brahman, there is no perception of Unity, > > > there is just > > > *being* Brahman. > > > > > > Is that correct? Although I have experienced Unity > > > several times, I > > > am not 100% clear about the distinction of Unity and > > > Brahman. > > > > On my TTC in LaAntilla MMY started talking alot about > > BC. A distinction he made between UC and BC was that > > UC was a state of consciousness and BC was not a > > state, but the "wholeness" of consciousness. How this > > translates experientially, I do not know! > > > OK, that jibes with what I thought, and my experience. There *does* > appear to be a subtle duality present in UC (despite the name) > becuase it is experienced as a distinct SoC. Whereas in Brahman, > there is nothing else, and it never changes to something else. > > So in my experience, all the other relatively higher states of > consciousness come and go, where Brahman is constant. Brahman is the > starting point. Very nicely put! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In Brahman, the double-cone of consciousness has realized > itself alone, and that all the beloved states of consciousness are > merely conic sections of itself: point (sleep), line (dream), plane > (waking), correction -- this waking-state form is more accurately an "X" shape (vertical cross-section through the center of the cone), rather than a simple plane :-) >circle (TC), ellipse (CC), parabola (GC), hyperbola (UC). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > so that "Brahman" is neither absolute nor relative, nor > > both together, nor neither, and so on. There can be perception of > > (or via) Unity, G.C., or C.C., or waking, or dreaming, or > sleeping, > > or perhaps more accurately all of these will be going on > > simultaneously, and where one "is" is simply a question of focus > in > > this moment -- on which aspect of oneself one is attending to and > > through. > > Yes, this is what has been confusing me, because based on old > patterns of perception, I will 'check in' with my self, to recreate > my world as self-centered. And it *works*, but just for that moment > I put my focus on it. Then I go back to being precisely, > *whatever* ;) YES -- Quantum-reality :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > There *does* appear to be a subtle duality present in UC > (despite the name) > > > because it is experienced as a distinct SoC. Whereas in Brahman, > > > there is nothing else, and it never changes to something else. > > > > > > So in my experience, all the other relatively higher states of > > > consciousness come and go, where Brahman is constant. Brahman is > > the > > > starting point. > > > > Very nicely put! > > Odd, isn't it how we used to think ourselves alive, dwelling in two > dimensional shadow forms, declaring this and that, flitting and > changing. Then we die into permanence, and real life begins! *lol* You have a real knack for expressing the paradoxical qualities of Brahman, Jim :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > In Brahman, the double-cone of consciousness has realized
> > > itself alone, and that all the beloved states of consciousness
are
> > > merely conic sections of itself: point (sleep), line (dream),
> plane
> > > (waking),
> >
> > correction -- this waking-state form is more accurately an "X"
shape
> > (vertical cross-section through the center of the cone), rather
than
> a
> > simple plane :-)
> >
> > >circle (TC), ellipse (CC), parabola (GC), hyperbola (UC).
>
> OK, I see where you are placing the point, the line, and the
vertical
> cross section. But where are the circle, ellipse, parabola and
> hyperbola in relation to the double napped cone?
The point is a horizontal plane through the center; the line is a
diagonal plane through the center tangential to one edge; the X is
the vertical cross-section. The "higher" states or planes intersect
the cone off-center, above and/or below the center-point: Circle as
eccentric horizontal plane, ellipse as an eccentric horizontal
tilted slightly into diagonal, parabola as an eccentric diagonal
parallel to an edge, and the hyperbola as an eccentric vertical :-)
(a picture is worth a
> thousand words- are there any images of this available?)
Google on conic sections ("images") :-)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Got it- the googling was instaneously helpful, though I have to > say > > now that I don't know what all the fuss is about, particularly > > visualizing these "higher" states. In all honesty, they look > almost > > pathetic... > > to clarify, it is not the experience of the states I was observing > as pathetic, rather, their symbolic representation on the backdrop > of Brahman seems so tiny. When I saw the forms I was like,"you mean > that's *all* I get, for these "higher" SoC's??" Yes *lol* Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Got it- the googling was instaneously helpful, though I have > to > > > say > > > > now that I don't know what all the fuss is about, particularly > > > > visualizing these "higher" states. In all honesty, they look > > > almost > > > > pathetic... > > > > > > to clarify, it is not the experience of the states I was > observing > > > as pathetic, rather, their symbolic representation on the > backdrop > > > of Brahman seems so tiny. When I saw the forms I was like,"you > mean > > > that's *all* I get, for these "higher" SoC's??" > > > > Yes *lol* > > So, given that the double cone is an incorporation of all time- > space, past, present, and future, emanating from a singularity, what > does the other, 'negative space' double cone, seen perpendicularly > to the first double cone, formed from the first cone's boundaries, > represent? > > Or is that other 'negative space' double cone just a fragment > created from the limitations of using the first double cone as > symbolic of Brahman? Good question! I would say offhand that the double cone is actually the central core of a torus (the Hiranyagarbha-field), which in turn is one of the countless "Krishna-bubbles" or Universes, and so on...:-) The play of the three gunas is clearer when we see it as a full- fledged torus rather than as merely the central core. If (for example) the energy is moving upward through the core, and out the north pole and down around the torus-bubble, and then collapsing in at the south pole to form a singularity at the core's center, we could ascribe the coalescing, centripetal energy at the south-pole to Vishnu (originally probably Indra), the rotating, radiating energy at the singularity to Brahma, and the dispersing, centtrifugal energy at the north-pole to Shiva (originally Rudra). And yet nothing ever "happens" from the vantage-point of the Brahman- torus as a whole :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Got it- the googling was instaneously helpful, though I have > > to > > > > say > > > > > now that I don't know what all the fuss is about, particularly > > > > > visualizing these "higher" states. In all honesty, they look > > > > almost > > > > > pathetic... > > > > > > > > to clarify, it is not the experience of the states I was > > observing > > > > as pathetic, rather, their symbolic representation on the > > backdrop > > > > of Brahman seems so tiny. When I saw the forms I was like,"you > > mean > > > > that's *all* I get, for these "higher" SoC's??" > > > > > > Yes *lol* > > > > So, given that the double cone is an incorporation of all time- > > space, past, present, and future, emanating from a singularity, what > > does the other, 'negative space' double cone, seen perpendicularly > > to the first double cone, formed from the first cone's boundaries, > > represent? > > > > Or is that other 'negative space' double cone just a fragment > > created from the limitations of using the first double cone as > > symbolic of Brahman? > > Einstein and other relativity theorists, used a similar double cone to > explain the time/space continuum and called the "negative space" > "Elsewhere". As most MIU core course students may remember from the > physics courses. Kind of makes me wish I had gone to MIU; this analogy just came to me a few years ago when I was thinking about the relationship between Brahman and the classic seven states of consciousness :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 13, 2005, at 4:31 PM, akasha_108 wrote: > > > Einstein and other relativity theorists, used a similar double cone to > > explain the time/space continuum and called the "negative space" > > "Elsewhere". As most MIU core course students may remember from the > > physics courses. > > Itzhak Bentov also used this in his explanation of the "mechanics of > consciousness" and how the observer changes (along with the experience > of time) in different states of consciousness. A must read (Stalking > the Wild Pendulum). He's so experientially "right on" most will find an > immediate sympathy with his work. He used the double-cone analogy? I didn't recall that -- will have to re-read it; I do remember it was a great book. I met "Ben" Bentov at Livingston Manor on a sidhis-prep course around 1977 or '78 -- was most impressed with him and his "experiences." Fascinating fellow; you wanna talk about a guy with innumerable stories! :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 13, 2005, at 4:39 PM, Rory Goff wrote: > > > Good question! I would say offhand that the double cone is actually > > the central core of a torus (the Hiranyagarbha-field), which in turn > > is one of the countless "Krishna-bubbles" or Universes, and so > > on...:-) > > Have you read the myth of Er in Plato's _Republic_? You'd probably find > great sympathy with it. It's heartening to read because you realize > that somehow this same experience was alive and well among the > Greeks...it's universal. Yes, I "recall" learning a lot of this stuff amongst the Pythagoreans and Neoplatonists, but don't recall if I've read Plato's Republic. Many thanks, Vaj; I will keep my eyes open for it :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think that you're confused. I think we can -only- determine the state of conscious of someone by their actions, Yes, Jesus would probably agree -- "by their fruits ye shall know them" >and I think that overreaching is the specific quality of the ignorant which determines that they are in fact not in Brahmin. Could be, though I am not prepared to say yea or nay in MMY's case -- I can only say the effect MMY had on me was perfect, mindblowing, exactly what I needed though certainly not what I had thought I wanted :-) > In the cases of the Mahabharata and Ramayana the villians are always those that overreach. Such is also the case in many other tracts. It's an interesting argument, I'll grant you :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, you can "experience" Unity, but you cannot "experience" > Brahman -- Brahman experiences you :-) > > > > I spent many years doing Forest Academys where Maharishi and his white pundits talked about the distinction between unity and brahman, and the main point of difference was always having to do with the production of soma after CC. That is, in GC the senses refine, in UC they are always coherent, and in BC everything one perceives is perceived in coherence, based upon the reflectivity of coherence of soma in the nervous system. It sounds as if what MMY is calling "coherence" I would call "perfection" -- but I am not clear on any real distinction between UC and BC as given by (you by) MMY above. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 13, 2005, at 5:38 PM, Rory Goff wrote: > > > He used the double-cone analogy? > > Oh yeah--took it to really the most experiential heights IMO. He also > describes the macrocosmic hiranyagarbha in some detail. Cool. Bentov lives! :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Yes, you can "experience" Unity, but you cannot "experience" > > Brahman -- Brahman experiences you :-) > > > > > > > > I spent many years doing Forest Academys where Maharishi and his > white pundits talked about the distinction between unity and brahman, > and the main point of difference was always having to do with the > production of soma after CC. That is, in GC the senses refine, in UC > they are always coherent, and in BC everything one perceives is > perceived in coherence, based upon the reflectivity of coherence of > soma in the nervous system. > > It sounds as if what MMY is calling "coherence" I would > call "perfection" -- but I am not clear on any real distinction > between UC and BC as given by (you by) MMY above. Perhaps we could say Unity ripens the intimate identity between perceiver and the perceived, while allowing the essential I-thou relationship to remain relatively intact at the subtlest levels, while BC destroys all such relationships and indeed every opposite or duality into utter paradox, sheer quantum reality. While in Unity one has distinctly "progressed" into this "exalted state," in Brahman one has attained exactly nothing but one's own annihilation into the immediately obvious but extremely slippery pre-existent emptiful ordinariness :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 13, 2005, at 5:41 PM, Rory Goff wrote: > > > Yes, I "recall" learning a lot of this stuff amongst the Pythagoreans > > and Neoplatonists, but don't recall if I've read Plato's Republic. > > Many thanks, Vaj; I will keep my eyes open for it :-) > > Just do a web search for it "plato myth of er". It's the classic sun, > moon, polestar experience. > > Basically there has been a war and there are all these dead bodies they > are piling up to burn. When they throw Er's--a great warrior--body on > the pyre he sits upright and recalls his experience of leaving his body > and visiting other dimensions. The Er myth is relatively short to read > (as opposed to the Republic which is rather long). > > I remember reading it the first time and thinking "oh my god, they knew > this too", it's that close. Interesting! I have never seen the hiranyagarbha-torus as containing those "nests" of orbital harmonics -- though I have seen and heard the planetary angels singing the "music of the spheres" for the solar system, a good bit earlier. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You're really attached to the notion of Brahman. Could be. You are seeing a very small, specific, and rather concentrated part of me here. When I am not talking to you guys, none of this material exists for me at all. That's part of the reason I like talking with you all so much. I will say this, anyhow -- I am not particularly attached to the idea of being perceived as unattached, so think of me what you will :-) >I think you're attached to the idea of having reached "the goal." Yes, I don't think there really *is* a "goal" per se, if that's what you mean. Right now my goal is to write this sentence as clearly as I can. In a few minutes my goal will be to commune with my wife. Two days from now my goal will probably be to finish clapboarding the house. Beyond that -- who knows? :-) >Whereas the notion of Brahman is merely some sketchy concept with no actual basis in anything. All you're doing with this geometries of awareness is reifying some errant conceptuality which itself has no actual basis in anything, at all. What "thing" would you like it to have a basis in? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 13, 2004, at 6:39 PM, Llundrub wrote: > > > > > Perhaps we could say Unity ripens the intimate identity between > > perceiver and the perceived, while allowing the essential I-thou > > relationship to remain relatively intact at the subtlest levels, > > while BC destroys all such relationships and indeed every opposite > > or duality into utter paradox, sheer quantum reality. While in Unity > > one has distinctly "progressed" into this "exalted state," in > > Brahman one has attained exactly nothing but one's own annihilation > > into the immediately obvious but extremely slippery pre-existent > > emptiful ordinariness :-) > > > > > > You're really attached to the notion of Brahman. I think you're > > attached to the idea of having reached "the goal." Whereas the notion > > of Brahman is merely some sketchy concept with no actual basis in > > anything. > > > > All you're doing with this geometries of awareness is reifying some > > errant conceptuality which itself has no actual basis in anything, at > > all. > > Until any of us stop casting shadows and our very normal intentions > manifest as "siddhis" (which others will no doubt notice) we ain't > there yet. > > It's worth mentioning that brahma-vidya is often simply called "vidya" > (non-dual pure knowledge), and that "vidya" is the Sanskrit word for > the Tibetan "rigpa". Before one can integrate vidya, this unitary View, > one has to grok experientially how to differentiate samsaric, karmic > vision and nirvanic, pure vision. Both have their geometries > paradoxically, but one is quite different from the other! Lundgrub > seems to be grokking this fine distinction. Congratulations, Llundrub! And to you too, Vaj, of course for appreciating and providing the commentary on his fine cognition. It takes One to know One :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Normal Life Ended for Protesting Mother
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 8/13/05 4:19:50 P.M. Central > > Daylight Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > "My whole family would rather I was home more than > > gone," she said. > > > > > > Yeah, It's not just her extended family that objects > > to her actions. She > > disgraces the memory of her son, a true hero. Hope > > she enjoys her long hot days > > on the side of a dusty Texas road with the rattle > > snakes , skunks and > > armadillos. > > Disgraced the memory of her son? Bush is the one who > has disgraced the memory of her son and the fast > approaching 2000 American casualities in a war who's > justification keeps on changing. Bush is such the > castrated boy struting around showing us how big his > penis is. He's a joke of a president. Such presence, > so articulate. He explains his positions so well. Oh, were you taking MDixon seriously? :-D Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Whereas the notion of Brahman is merely some sketchy concept with no > actual basis in anything. All you're doing with this geometries of > awareness is reifying some errant conceptuality which itself has no > actual basis in anything, at all. R: > What "thing" would you like it to have a basis in? It seems to me that all *anyone* does who speaks of the unspeakable, is "reifying some errant conceptuality," and yet I enjoyed reading of "reifications" like these when I thought myself on a path, and I enjoy playing with these "reifications" now when there is evidently no path. No artist's self-portrait is going to be as alive as he is, nor is it going to please every critic, but so what? We still do what we do. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Until any of us stop casting shadows and our very normal intentions > manifest as "siddhis" (which others will no doubt notice) we ain't > there yet. Now *this* is what I would call "reification" of the worst sort :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It seems to me that all *anyone* does who speaks of the unspeakable, > is "reifying some errant conceptuality," and yet I enjoyed reading > of "reifications" like these when I thought myself on a path, and I > enjoy playing with these "reifications" now when there is evidently no > path. No artist's self-portrait is going to be as alive as he is, nor > is it going to please every critic, but so what? We still do what we > do. :-) > > > > -If you're going to reify advaita then how about making reference to actual tantras which might discuss these things, like the Todala tantra and the Dashmahavidyas which discusses the ten directional aspect of the adhiyatmika in terms of Shiva and the Ten Mahavidyas. It's interesting in terms of the directional nature of spacetime in creating matter from its own self through aprehending itself in terms of direction. Perhaps that will be *your* job, then -- studying and referencing the various scriptures has no real draw for me at the moment :-) > It's just less personal, and thus more universal, Less personal is not necessarily more universal, IMO :-) >and thus more likely to draw more commentary Oh I don't know -- I seem to be drawing *plenty* of commentary *lol* >then the self masturbative personal drama with no foundation of specious conical and planary irrelevancy. Don't hold back, Llundrub -- tell me what you *really* think :-) Seriously, did I inadvertently push some button when I compared the various states of consciousness to conic sections? Are you particularly attached to one of these states of consciousness, or something? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > >> Until any of us stop casting shadows and our very normal intentions > >> manifest as "siddhis" (which others will no doubt notice) we ain't > >> there yet. R. wrote: > > Now *this* is what I would call "reification" of the worst sort :-) V. wrote: > If so then Grand Unification and Quantum theory are moot as a model. > Truly if you embody reality at the level of Grand Unification then such > things as being not bound by gravity, being able to walk through walls > and so on are just part of that state of 'grand unification'. Indeed, > the non-dual tradition very explicitly not only tells us this, but it > also explicitly tells us the landmarks. This is very helpful, but not > everyone gets this. > > My own grand-teacher eventually (physically) dissolved into light. > Therefore it is not so surprising that he could tell you the time of > your own death simply by asking. Yes, none of this stuff is particularly undo-able if/when appropriate -- I didn't mean to imply that it was -- but IMO neither is any of it a criterion for anyone's particular embodiment of Wholeness, which is a priori and dependent upon nothing whatsoever. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Don't hold back, Llundrub -- tell me what you *really* think :-) > > Seriously, did I inadvertently push some button when I compared the > various states of consciousness to conic sections? Are you > particularly attached to one of these states of consciousness, or > something? > > > > -Sorry, once I got started with the adjectives I couldn't hold back. And I am sorry if my analogy appeared to denigrate any of the states of consciousness -- they are all good :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Normal Life Ended for Protesting Mother
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 8/13/05 10:42:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Oh, yeah, and a majority now think Bush > deliberately misled the public about the presence > of WMDs in Iraq. > > *61 percent* think we're less safe now from terrorism. > So much for the guy who wants to kick "the terrorists > ass's." > > > > > So you think if both election were re- run today, either Gore or Kerry would > win? ROFLMAO! Why not? They won the first two times :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Normal Life Ended for Protesting Mother
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 8/13/05 10:51:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Why not? They won the first two times :-) > > > > They did? Well if they didn't have the balls to take office what makes you > think they would have done anything about terrorism? Terrorism is a big bad boogey-man for you isn't it MDixon? You ever think to look at the humbug behind the curtain running that great and terrible Oz-ama? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with > > my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to > > deal with all the legal ramifications. > > *Legal* ramifications?? > > What are the ramifications for your *dick*? It will be sent to a penile institution for rehabilitation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Relative
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >snip> > > Is such enlightenment still "relative" then, and is there another > more profound level to reach in which truly one would experience > everything as the Self, this Self being truly INTIMATELY cognissant > of the egos and bodies of ALL creatures? Because only THEN it becomes > possible to love one's neighbour as one's Self AND have the sense > that a wrong done to another is truly a wrong done to one's "self" as > well. Can't say as it is more profound particularly, but it's been my experience that intimacy with the egos and physiologies of others as and in this bodymind certainly becomes available as other aspects of oneself. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Relative
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh No, not George Bush! > Hi Rory! Welcom back! :-D Hiya Jim. Thanks. And happy birthday, BTW! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Now that is quite an opening post. Welcome back (activate dormant > bandwith) > Thanks, lurk. Yes, I enjoy silence (and a good lurk), but that pun was simply irresistible. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Welcome back, Rory! You were in ff? Thank you, gf! Yes; was and am. FF just keeps getting better and better. Now (somewhat to our surprise) we have become semi-permanent residents. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > If you could mellow out the Winters and Summers, you could add one more old 'ru > to the population! Now that FF has a fantastic beach at Waterworks Park, my wife and I are enjoying the summer heat here a great deal more than in previous years. And coming from Maine (which so far this year has been cold and wet), we are quite pleased that Spring is in full force here in March (as opposed to June in Maine if we were lucky :-) ) We have never seen a town that provided such a perfect balance of nourishment for spirit, soul, and body as FF now does. We've both lost weight just from walking our dog around the trails early in the AM and in late afternoon... and everyone is FRIENDLY. Wow! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Well, seems like some people in South florida have a > > problem with this type of activity. So Kali yuga of > > them, isn't it? > > > > --There are no hills in S Florida. > > That explains how Dr. Pete could pull off the elephant > thang so easily... :-) Oh, did he pull it off? You may be in real trouble now, Dr. Pete. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Relative
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I cannot understand how this kind of theoretical, intellectual > > speculation can help a person to evolve. > > > why "speculation" ? No. > > Jnana has it's own value. yes? I love the descriptions Irmeli has given of her own awareness, and they have tickled me to pay more attention to sound/vibration myself, bringing that angle more into conscious enjoyment in this bodymind, to excellent effect. (Whereas this bodymind's habitual sense-channels have tended to emphasize feeling/touch and sight.) Perhaps sharing different angles and (ap)perceptions can often help us to recognize more consciously the "enlightenment" that has been here all along -- as long (as Irmeli cautions) as we do not deny our own innate focus and gifts in favor of some conceptual idea we might have of another's gifts or "enlightenment-criteria." Claudio's questions seem (to me at least) to show that he is "seeing through" the old absolute/relative dichotomy, and finding that "Brahman" or Wholeness resides AS fully in the "manifest, relative" point as in the "unmanifest, absolute" Ocean. No difference. A natural progression from this would seem to be the realization that one's Wholeness is potentially as free to be ANY point-self as to be one's habitual point-self: what I would (habitually) call Krishna Consciousness. Again, just a matter of putting a bit of attention on what has been here all along. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Happy Elephant (was Re: balancing techniques)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On the other hand, the elephant in question > seems pretty pleased with the whole experience: > > http://www.boardsmag.com/screeningroom/commercials/1673/ > > Dr. Pete's obviously got some pushin' tool... :-) ROFL Thanks, Unc! Great manifestation. :-D To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: infinity to PointS (was the relative)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes Infinity (= Wholeness = Unmanifest/Absolute = Self) is > omnipresent at every Point (= manifest, relative = self). So why is > the consciosness/Knower remain linked to the habitual point self if > it is free to be ANY point-self ? It is all point-selves of oneself, and one can (to whatever degree) emerge from the "Ocean" to experience any specific "wave" one attends to. However, generally it would seem that habit keeps one focussed more or less in the original bodymind if there is no particular need/desire at any given moment to experience/heal other point-selves or aspects of oneself. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: infinity to PointS (was the relative)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I had to read this many times to understand it: > > the first time, I understood it intuitively, perhaps the *sound* and construction of it was balanced. > > the second time I tried to interpret it in terms of some imagined > nebulous 'higher state of consciousness'/hidden meaning, and it made no sense to me. > > the third time, I read it as a simple person, potentially in > need: 'we keep to ourselves unless we have a need to interact with > someone else. When we interact with someone else to fulfill our > need, we will experience them just to the degree that we must, in > order to fulfill our need.' > > the fourth time, I read what was written in terms of unobstructed > flow of pure consciousness, eliminating the imaginary boundaries > between the Ocean and the waves, between I and them. > > I conclude by enjoying the simplicity of it all, wondering why I > have once again used a bulldozer to remove a toothpick, and delight > in the absurdity of it all! > > Thank you! LOL Thanks, Jim. I was wondering why that point-self gobbledygook came out the way it did. You really made a very nice cake out of my pile of pig-dung! Always nice to be appreciated from every angle! Yours always, :-) :-) :-D To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: infinity to PointS (was the relative)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > pile of pig-dung? Which way is the wind blowing in Fairfield? Yes, FF has restored whole new olfactory chords and harmonic arpeggios of redolent appreciation that my nose had quite forgotten. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A Sense of Sangha (was Re: balancing techniques)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes this was Norbert. He was a big fan of an initiator who imagined > himself having been Ernst Röhm, chief of the SA who was executed by > Hitler later on. My understanding is that it was specifically Hermann Goering who eliminated his rival Rohm, after (presumably) causing the Reichstag fire and (certainly) exploiting it to eradicate "homeland" civil rights in the name of "security". To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A Sense of Sangha (was Re: balancing techniques)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes this was Norbert. He was a big fan of an > > initiator who > > imagined > > > > himself having been Ernst Röhm, chief of the SA > > who was > > executed by > > > > Hitler later on. > > > > > > My understanding is that it was specifically > > Hermann Goering who > > > eliminated his rival Rohm, after (presumably) > > causing the > > Reichstag > > > fire and (certainly) exploiting it to eradicate > > "homeland" civil > > > rights in the name of "security". > > > > "I'm a uniter, not a divider. I refuse to play the > > politics of > > putting people into groups and pitting one group > > against another." > > George Bush, May 6, 1999 > > He's also a gigantic, moronic, neurologically > impaired, tremendous asshole. Have a pitta day. Which "he" would that be? Norbert? Rory? Goering? Bush? All of the above? Pitta-full indeed! :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Scholars/pandits
> > Your support is vitally needed! Let's give the Vedic > > Scholars a very warm > > welcome, and make sure that they have all that they > > need. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where do I send the "go fvck yourself" letter? What a > bunch of con artists. I'm not sure that's the "warm welcome" our fearless Raja had in mind... :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Scholars/pandits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- Rory Goff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Your support is vitally needed! Let's give the > > Vedic > > > > Scholars a very warm > > > > welcome, and make sure that they have all that > > they > > > > need. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Where do I send the "go fvck yourself" letter? > > What a > > > bunch of con artists. > > > > I'm not sure that's the "warm welcome" our fearless > > Raja had in mind... > > My manners, I know.. But that's how we greet > people in South Florida! Yeah, I remember seeing those "Greetings from South Florida ... go fvck yourself" postcards in every gift-shop in Sarasota. ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Scholars/pandits
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Where do I send the "go fvck yourself" letter? What a > > > bunch of con artists. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, I seek THAT. That pure holy enlightenment! I seek THAT! I sometimes wonder what and how long it will take for one to fully comprehend that the act of seeking is itself the perfect denial of the ordinary "pure holy enlightenment" one already is... and then again remembering that seeking is itself yet another expression of that "pure holy enlightenment" ... Perfect enlightenment denying/fulfilling itself perfectly. Wow. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can you believe
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is the President of the most powerful nation on > > earth. It would make a great joke if it wasn't true. > > He truly doesn't know what he is talking about, he > > only thinks he knows. A very dangerous combination. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > um, yeah. Look in the mirror. Alright! I am outing this "anonymousff"! Welcome, Byron Katie! :-) :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Scholars/pandits
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah, I remember seeing those "Greetings from South Florida ... go > > fvck yourself" postcards in every gift-shop in Sarasota. ;-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonymousff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Its Self talking to your pseudo Self, Rory Duh. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Let's do a dog walk together sometime. We've got two. Sounds good ... except our dog is very small and not at all fond of most other dogs, and that is putting it mildly. Perhaps it is the terrier in her. Understandable, I suppose, when I remember most other dogs could kill her with one bite. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A Sense of Sangha (was Re: balancing techniques)
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually I am not too well versed with history. I think he was a > competitor to SS chief Himmler, so I think Himmler had his hand in it. > Also Röhm tried to overthrow Hitler and got caught. Yeah, fun times all right. We thought they'd never end -- and surprise! They haven't :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can you believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You mean "thing in his ear." Teleprompters are passe, especially during a debate (e.g. "let > me finish, let me finish", in the middle of a sentence during the debate where no-one had > interrupted him). http://isbushwired.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can you believe
> --- Rory Goff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Alright! I am outing this "anonymousff"! Welcome, > > Byron Katie! :-) :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you know that to be true? Do you know that to be > absolutely true? ;-) LOL What would I be without that thought? Anonymousff. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A Sense of Sangha (was Re: balancing techniques)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lupidus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What happened to you Doc. - since when did you become positive to MMY ? > Or are you back on to TM ? :-) To understand Dr. Pete we must simply be the same Blazing Brahman of perfect paradox he and MMY are :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Elections, american style
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lupidus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Well, that is certainly a very interesting question. According to > > Benjamin Creme the last american presidential "election" was > > substantially rigged, the "election" before that was a substansial > > fraud indeed involving millions of votes, mainly black votes. > > Gee, that must've required a shitload of psychic > abilities and being on a first name basis with > the Ascended Masters to figure out. :-) ROFL To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A Sense of Sangha (was Re: balancing techniques)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jun 23, 2005, at 10:16 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > Yep, MMY never had any clue about anything he's talking about. He > > just read from some script prepared for him by Sanskrit scholars > > because he couldn't read sanskrit... > > Are you being sarcastic or do you really mean what you said? Maybe it's just me, but I smell a gentle whiff of irony. Subtle, not unlike pig-dungProbably just me. Maybe I should go shower. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Scholars/pandits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> your comments speak to the 'career' we have all undertaken to
> gain "pure holy enlightenment". In that there is time and space
> involved in the journey from here to there, and a constant watching
> for improvement, greater Self actualization.
>
> Maharishi said it succinctly when he spoke of going for the Highest
> first. It seems to work. In other words, to keep the attention on
> that ideal, those highest most Supreme values, and not mind the path
> so much.
Yes, this is apparently as much of the truth as the believer's mind
will allow while still protecting its "serious-seeker" game-path,
denying perfection here-now and projecting it into an "illusory" past
or future. No harm in collecting sequential conic slide-sections of
Brahman across time and space; no harm in comparing and discriminating
between one time-space section and another ("look! a circle! No; a
hyperbola!"); apparently that's one of the things the cone of Brahman
likes to do to itself: suffer the "death of a thousand cuts" by
suicide. :-)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: choice of mantras
Absolutely agreed on all counts. Our limited ego *loves* to complicate things and make them "right" or "wrong" and so on... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wonder about this obssession, genuinely felt of course, > concerning "correct" mantras - whether they are right for one's body > type or householder status or whatever. Is it more > about "reinforcement" for the EGO, to inspire and motivate it - it > needs to feel that it's doing something unique and special and > exclusive etc for it to perservere along the meditative path; same > with its "religious" affiliations - only ITS version is the TRUE > religion, meditation technique, mantra etc. > > What if this is another of Nature's tricks.. like love and sex - we > are catapulted into feelings and behaviours that serve quite a > different "purpose" (the SURVIVAL of the species). Suppose it doesn't > matter WHAT the mantra is - one is supported in the practice by the > BELIEF that it is the ONLY path etc - Nature's way of ensuring > regular practice and, eventually, the LIBERATION of the species. > > Although there MAY BE finer aspects of mantra choice that are more or > less facilitative for transcending purposes, I wonder if in the scale > of effects it is THAT important. I'm sure, for instance, that one can > have an OK life living in a building with a southern entrance. Guru > Dev's cave might not have been "ideal" (was it?) but then much of > life isn't.. one has to make do with imperfections and still move on. > > But the most persuasive argument, I think, is that even in the > ABSENCE of Vedic knowledge there have been individuals who did attain > higher states of consciousness and even siddhi powers from entirely > different traditions - Buddhist, Christian etc. > > If the process is mental with correlated physiology, perhaps no > matter what the "sound" impulse one takes as a mantra initially is, > it will get duly "refined" and result in transcendental > consciousness. In fact the more biological one views this human > capacity the less the cultural character of the vehicle for > transcendence becomes. > > The fact that Maharishi changed his mantras about and didn't give non- > householder mantras to people who effectively opted for the reclusive > lives etc further emphasises the flexibility, perhaps, of mantra > choice... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: choice of mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > A working automobile will take you to a given location. A broken down > '78 Chevy might get you there. A Volkswagen will get you there > cheaper. A Porsche will get you there faster, more expensively, and in > class. And so on depends on how you want to travel. ;-) What if you were in the longed-for location all along? I think it was Maharshi Zaphod who said, "No matter where you go, there you are!" ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Scholars/pandits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I sometimes wonder how long it will take some to sense sarcasm? The sarcasm was quite evident to this fool, anyhow :-) > Why would one take seriously an enlightenment consisting of > aggregrevated anger? What makes one think "an" enlightenment consists of anything? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Scholars/pandits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You thought it was just a meaningless sound? :) > > The extra "reg" and "e for a" switch is a mid 1600s form of the word > used by alchemists -- that means "really aggravated". At least thats > the roomer. And as any dedicated etymologist, philologist, or linguist knows, "roomer" is the original Middle English form of "rumor" (and I suppose "rumour"), and as such is much preferred by true purists :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Vedic Scholars/pandits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I tend to look it as once having gained the distinct experience of > Brahman with that first trancendent experience of the mantra, we > continue growing in our appreciation of that perfection, experienced > as ourselves, others, the union of the two, the entire creation. So > perfection is always there, like a compass needle pointing at the > transcendent. It is up to us to learn to appreciate it more and > more, become intimate with it. Sounds fair and balanced to me :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] For Vaj Re: Pitta-aggravating mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My point is simply that judging someone else in contrast to MMY needs > to take into account where MMY has been. Without at all intending to detract from your most commendable devotion to MMY, I would merely suggest that to judge anyone in contrast to anyone else is essentially indulging in delusion. Where it counts, you and MMY and FF's pig-dung are all precisely the same -- infinite divinity focussing perfectly here now. Resisting the perfection here now merely dilutes our experience of divinity; acknowledging (surrendering) into the perfection of whatever is playing through us here now -- love, anger, pain, whatever -- frees us to be the Whole: what we have always been, regardless of external appearance :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] For Vaj Re: Pitta-aggravating mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Who you calling pig-dung, boy! Me and Me alone :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] For Vaj Re: Pitta-aggravating mantras
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Who you calling pig-dung, boy! > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Me and Me alone :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Wait a minute pal, you have also indicated frequently, that "you" > and "me" are essentially the same thing. Sure sounds ta me like I'm > gettin' called pig-dung!...boy! *lol* The key-word being "essentially." Only in essence. Apples are not oranges, and as such cannot truly be compared, but both are fruit. You, I and pig-dung are each unique and cannot truly be judged "better" or "worse" than each other, but essentially we are all Me -- or all You, if You prefer. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] For Vaj Re: Pitta-aggravating mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Allright let me get this straight, are you callin me a unique pig- > dung fruit? I don't know, there's a lot a lot of fancy words in > there but it sure sounds like an insult to me. I ain't stupid > neither, I know the difference between an apple and a orange, tell > you that right now. Yep, you got it straight, if a unique pig-dung fruit can be called straight. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anger and Self-Realized, Liberated Sages/Yogis Absorbed in Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why should I consider the Gita authoritative? > Because you do? Hell no, boy, you should consider the Gita authoritative because the Bible says so. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anger and Self-Realized, Liberated Sages/Yogis Absorbed in Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, we all know that God wrote the bible, but who in > the hell wrote that thar Gita thang? Could be the > devil, don't know. Wanna be prudent. Of COURSE it was the devil, or one of them false gods, since my God is bigger than yours and can beat yours up with one hand tied behind His back and He's the one and only true one anyway. Bible says so. Don't know what made me say different. Musta been the devil. Praise God, and damn the devil anyhow. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Anger and Self-Realized, Liberated Sages/Yogis Absorbed in Brahman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > [...] > > The mind always projects "its own stuff." The mind has > > its own agenda which is primarily bending experience > > to fit a priori concepts. In short, the mind wants to > > be right. > > Sure. The nice thing about TM is that I'm always right... Interesting. I on the other hand have found that I am *always* deluded. We must be describing the same phenomenon. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] TM & Laxity, was: For Vaj Re:Pitta-aggravating mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jun 25, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > I also find that some > > gentle attentiveness vs. allowing the mind to just mess around makes a > > big > > difference in terms of clarity and frequency of transcending. > > > > At Estes Park, M quoted the Vedas as saying, "Be easy to us with gentle > > effort." > > > > And indeed this very simple attentiveness--or mindfulness--is one of > the key antidotes to laxity and torpor. But of course this is not > taught as part of TM, it's sad Rick that this is buried in some old > tape and not integrated into practice. I don't know about you, but I've > met a good number of meditators who ended up being drained by such > torpor. Laxity is believed to be a intentional mental process where the > meditative object (in this case Self or mantra) is not perceived with > vividness. Once meditation reaches the "effortless" stage (where one > simply sits and can transcend for at least an hour at a time with no > breaks) this tends to disappear as delusion is dissolved. I tend to agree with you about TM and torpor; this is part of why I quit the practice in 1982, the larger part being there was nowhere to "go" anymore. This latter understanding makes me wonder a bit about your statement about "transcending ... with no breaks." From where I stand now anyhow, the belief that one can "be" without thought is as absurd as the belief that one can "be" without silence. It seems more to me that the two are utterly the same, and any belief otherwise would be the result of being stunned by an apparent contrast in subtleties. Of course I may well be delusional. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] TM & Laxity, was: For Vaj Re:Pitta-aggravating mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Funny. But ... > > John the Baptist -- preparing the way. Do we actually know John the Baptist's take on the whole thing? I am only aware of written material from a sect that (apparently and apparently successfully) wished to marginalize him in favor of their own candidate. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] TM & Laxity, was: For Vaj Re:Pitta-aggravating mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have no authoritative knowledge of J the B. You should have asked > Charlie - he, among others, proclaimed to be J the B. I believe. Or > was it M being J the B, with SBS being JC. Too many stories for me. > (Charlie did proclaim to also be Alexander the Great.) (btw, do people > in the lands he ravaged call him "the great"?) No, I think their official title for him was "Alexander the Sumbitch" :-) > But your point is true with all "surviving" religions and political > power sources. Thus, its always prudent I fidn to try to see history > through the opposing / losing / non-surviving sides. Yeah, I seem to recall that the Freemasons revere J the B quite a bit (holy day of June 24 and so on), while references to Jesus are noticeably absent (IIRC). I wonder if the original Jewish/Templar/Masons were at least in part an offshoot of J the B's original sect? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Communication Breakdown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hari Om, > It appears that one has to be carefull even with Enlightened people. People are Double-edged swords. > Jason Is there an echo in here...? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Think - Premanand Paul and Bob Brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hari Om, > Would Premanand Paul and Bob Brigantte give their opinion on this please.?? Definitely picking up a very faint echo To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pardon
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hari Om, > Connection problems. No Echo. > Jason Name and form... probably better not to title the subject "Communication Breakdown," I guess :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] TM & Laxity, was: For Vaj Re:Pitta-aggravating mantras
Many thanks for your reply, Vaj. Yes, this all sounds pretty familiar, except for your phrase "such a high level" -- "here" is certainly not high; I feel exactly the same as before I ever started on any path. I mean *complete* ordinariness; "ignorance" even -- the only real difference being a simple contentment and appreciation of the perfection here and now. No path remains that I am aware of: samsara is perfection; emptiness isn't sacrificed in thought (or vice versa); I cannot appreciate the two as two anymore. On the other hand, I do feel even better when I appreciate more -- become even more focussed and incarnate and attentive -- so maybe there is yet in store a depth and breadth of "growth" or "me" I have perhaps scarcely begun to enliven. Meditation (as I understand the term) seems to have no real bearing on this; appreciation appears to work best (mostly) eyes-open, or via simple listening, or the like. In a similar manner, the stages of bodhisattvahood you provided didn't ring too clearly; only the buddha one felt like "home" or "me," but I have attained nothing; am no more a buddha than my beloved pig-dung. No less, either, of course. :-) At that we all appear to be pretty much identical in our perfect buddhahood, maybe with some of us occasionally enjoying -- or at least indulging in -- a momentary bit of more or less resistance here or there. Namaste, R. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think you bring up a wonderful point and a great experiential > insight. My feeling is that you can dissolve negative thought patterns > to an extent that you can simply rest in the Natural Mind--thoughts may come, thoughts may go--but even this apparent duality can be > experienced as non-dual then one can truly begin to experience how > samsara and perfection arise together. > Typically once one works on calmness at such a high level, if one is > following a graduated path where you go in stages, the next form of > meditation would be being able to integrate with thought *without > sacrificing emptiness*. > > Even in total quiescence thoughts which arise are not sustained, nor do they proliferate; rather they vanish of their own accord, much like small clouds on a really blue sky day. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Think - Premanand Paul and Bob Brigante
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > Who said I am incensed? "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Me. It was the smoke pouring out of your every > orifice that gave it away. *lol* Frank-incense, wasn't it? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Think - Premanand Paul and Bob Brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As for getting a straigh answer to something Ii don't recall Bob ever giving one that didn't merely come rebounding off one of his inner mental rubberbands. If you were tryin to get his to step outside of his mental house of cards then welcome to the club. Most of us have tried, and I think the concensus is that that way lies madness. *lol* I believe Bob plays the part of Bob to perfection -- why would anyone want to critique or change such a word-perfect role? He certainly seems to enjoy it for the most part; his knowledge is encyclopedic and his sudden flashes of humor are even funnier for their unexpectedness :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Buddhism (per Mantreshwar, ancient jyotishi)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If he were he would be wrong. TM does not teach the four noble truths > or bodhichitta, therefore it would not qualify :-) Since it has not > created any Buddhas it could not be considered a path to > enlightenment--after all it has no way for the accumulations necessary. Vaj = Bob Brigante? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Buddhism (per Mantreshwar, ancient jyotishi)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > If he were he would be wrong. TM does not teach the four noble > truths > > or bodhichitta, therefore it would not qualify :-) Since it has not > > created any Buddhas it could not be considered a path to > > enlightenment--after all it has no way for the accumulations > necessary. > > Vaj = Bob Brigante? (I love the smell of dogma in the morning) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Buddhism (per Mantreshwar, ancient jyotishi)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jun 27, 2005, at 9:56 AM, Rory Goff wrote: > > > (I love the smell of dogma in the morning) > > It's just the facts m'am! Facts? We don't need no stinking facts! :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Buddhism (per Mantreshwar, ancient jyotishi)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jun 27, 2005, at 9:56 AM, Rory Goff wrote: > > > (I love the smell of dogma in the morning) > > It's just the facts m'am! Just out of curiosity -- did you ever take the Keirsey/Jung personality test? I am wondering if you (and Bob Brigante) might be something like a --TJ, as opposed to an --FP, for example... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Buddhism (per Mantreshwar, ancient jyotishi)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jun 27, 2005, at 9:56 AM, Rory Goff wrote: > > > (I love the smell of dogma in the morning) > > It's just the facts m'am! Just out of curiosity -- did you ever take the Keirsey/Jung personality test? I am wondering if you (and Bob Brigante) might be something like a --TJ, as opposed to an --FP, for example... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Buddhism (per Mantreshwar, ancient jyotishi)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just out of curiosity -- did you ever take the Keirsey/Jung > personality test? I am wondering if you (and Bob Brigante) might be > something like a --TJ, as opposed to an --FP, for example... I ask this as I am tempted to hypothesize that J's, being more concerned with tangible "facts" and conceptual boundaries, might have a relatively harder time dropping their preferred dogma and descriptors in favor of life-as-it-is, or indeed might never need to, and thus perenially simply experience life-as-it-is in an entirely different way than the more amorphous P's. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Buddhism (per Mantreshwar, ancient jyotishi)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pretty hard person to find. Well for starters one might look at the rather large pool of disaffected ex-TMers, particuarly ones exhibiting strong anti-TM bias, and examine some of them for signs of "enlightenment" :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Buddhism (per Mantreshwar, ancient jyotishi)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I actually have a friend who is licensed to give that test and I took > the long test (as opposed to the short ones you see on the net). I > guess the results are broken down into four pairs. I fell in the middle > on all four pairs. Consequently she felt I had the freedom to go > either way as the situation demanded. > > Interesting test though. She liked classifying all her friends and > acquaintances based on that system. Needless to say my results > frustrated her to no end because it meant she couldn't "read me." Another perfectly good hypothesis down the drain! :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Buddhism (per Mantreshwar, ancient jyotishi)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I actually have a friend who is licensed to give that test and I took > the long test (as opposed to the short ones you see on the net). I > guess the results are broken down into four pairs. I fell in the middle > on all four pairs. Consequently she felt I had the freedom to go > either way as the situation demanded. > > Interesting test though. She liked classifying all her friends and > acquaintances based on that system. Needless to say my results > frustrated her to no end because it meant she couldn't "read me." Another perfectly good hypothesis down the drain :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Buddhism (per Mantreshwar, ancient jyotishi)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I guess you would have to find someone like that. I think your issue is that when responses are made in regards to a particular path you are assuming that is what I "Vaj" or someone else believes. Paths are relative. Different paths will have their own internal logic peculiar > to them and their own View. In discussion it might be helpful to choose the way-of-seeing that meets the subject matter at hand and thus we may discuss different ways. There's a lot of ways do do it, don't get so stuck if we are discussing one. But if we are saying we want to retain > the five objects of desire (i.e. the five sense's objects) AND achieve > Buddhahood in one lifetime, that does kinda narrow things down. Yes, I guess this is where we differ -- I honestly don't think any "path" is going to take us anywhere other than here, and so I don't think Buddhahood can be "achieved" at all. Rather, "we" do what "we" do until "we" don't, if you see what I mean. For those who swing that way, TM appears to be as good a "path" as any to eventually abandon into the remembrance of who we always have been. All the "paths" are in the realest sense nothing but a distraction, a wonderful sleight of hand. This is not to say they don't serve a very real purpose, as only misdirection can "fool" us into eventually accepting what always is :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
