RE: [farsiweb] Persian input with US/European keyboard

2003-06-12 Thread Linguasoft 
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Hi,

I tried your 
demo at http://www.elgin.free-online.co.uk/fdemo_online.htm 
and found that some of the substitution rules you use are problematic (e.g., in 
the beginning of a new line, "oftad" generates  and NOT  ; in front of 
certain punctuation marks, "do" generates  and NOT ); what's more, 
punctuation in LTR (Latin) insert mode does not work properly -- it always 
follows RTL rules!

Also, there 
are a number of *free* phonetic keyboards for Farsi and other RTL languages that 
work nicely under Word or other wordprocessors. (There are even solutions for 
Win98 or Word97, using the so-called Arabic presentation forms, but this is an 
approach I would not recommend.)

Best 
regards,

Peter E. 
Hauer
Linguaosft
Vienna, 
Austria


  
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  On Behalf Of Nigel GreenwoodSent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 
  12:37 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [farsiweb] Persian input with 
  US/European keyboard
  Connie 
  Bobroff of Wahington University has kindly suggested that I bring our 
  ScriptMaster software products PerScript and PerScribe to the attention of 
  list members who would like to type Farsi using a US/European 
  OS.
  
  For most 
  users, particularly those with Windows XP or Windows 2000, **PerScript** is 
  more appropriate. It allows you to type (more or less!) phonetically 
  right-to-left in a text box. The [Unicode] Persian text can then be 
  saved as HTML or, if your system has Farsi-language support, pasted into Word 
  for further processing. For more details and an online demo, please 
  see:
  
  http://www.elgin.free-online.co.uk/perscript.htm
  
  If you are 
  running Windows 98 you can still use PerScript to generate HTML -- but you 
  won't be able to use Word (for example, Word 97) for further processing. 
  If you really want to produce a Persian document in Word you will have 
  to use our other product, **PerScribe**, which is a bit more complicated and 
  in effect "tricks" Word into displaying Persian correctly. The .doc file will 
  print out correctly, but may look strange if viewed with a WXP/W2K system. 
  For details, please see:
  
  http://www.elgin.free-online.co.uk/perscribe.htm
  
  I would be 
  happy to answer any questions about these programs.
  
  Nigel
  
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RE: [farsiweb] Persian input with US/European keyboard

2003-06-12 Thread Nigel Greenwood 
Re Peter E. Hauer's message of 12 Jun 2003:

Many thanks for your patient testing  feedback.

 I tried your demo at
 http://www.elgin.free-online.co.uk/fdemo_online.htm and found that
 some of the substitution rules you use are problematic (e.g., in the
 beginning of a new line, oftad generates ? and NOT ? ;

I can't replicate this, I'm afraid.

 in front of certain punctuation marks, do generates ?? and NOT ??); 

Could you please specify which punct. marks?  Ah yes, you must mean 
things like {}/.  We'll look into that.

 what's more, punctuation in LTR (Latin) insert mode does not work
 properly -- it always follows RTL rules!

This is true.  The Latin feature is intended mainly for the occasional word, 
title or place name -- but I agree the punctuation should be correct if 
possible.

Nigel
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RE: [farsiweb] Persian input with US/European keyboard

2003-06-12 Thread Linguasoft 
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Hi,When typing "o", substitution 
of waw with hamzah (for alef) happens after using Backspace or Ctrl-Alt and then 
Del, for example when clearing a line or the entire document in the test window, 
and then typing a word beginning with "o"."Punctuation" I referred to 
includes the symbols you mentioned but also normal parentheses (as well as 
numerals). I found that a trick to remove the unwanted hamzah on waw is to type 
a hyphen (=pseudo-space) after this letter, but that's maybe a bit too clumsy 
and definitely not Unicode-compliant ...BTW, if you say that you support 
input with a US or European keyboard, you should also reverse glyphs for 
left/right parentheses, brackets, and so forth. (Using the left parenthesis key 
for "opening parenthesis" and the left parenthesis key for "closing parenthesis" 
may be logical when dealing with so-called "weak" characters in RTL context but 
is misleading as the shapes you get are different from the shapes you 
type.)Best regards,Peter
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Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:51 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [farsiweb] 
Persian input with US/European keyboardRe Peter E. Hauer's message 
of 12 Jun 2003:Many thanks for your patient testing  
feedback. I tried your demo at http://www.elgin.free-online.co.uk/fdemo_online.htm 
and found that some of the substitution rules you use are problematic 
(e.g., in the beginning of a new line, "oftad" generates ? and NOT 
? ;I can't replicate this, I'm afraid. in front of 
certain punctuation marks, "do" generates ?? and NOT ??);Could you 
please specify which punct. marks? Ah yes, you must meanthings like 
{}/. We'll look into that. what's more, punctuation in 
LTR (Latin) insert mode does not work properly -- it always follows RTL 
rules!This is true. The Latin feature is intended mainly for the 
occasional word,title or place name -- but I agree the punctuation should be 
correct ifpossible.Nigel
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