Re: Wallpaper
On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 07:09:35PM +0200, Max Spevack wrote: On Wed, 6 May 2009, Máirín Duffy wrote: This is an extremely open design team. We openly discuss our methods and our decisions, and we make our source artwork available in open formats using open licenses so anyone who wants to participate, extend, or build on our work can easily. If you been participating in the list when we received complaints on this particular issue and when we made the final call on how to handle it, you could have spoken up just as anyone else could have. Even if you were not paying attention to the list at the time, it doesn't mean the issue wasn't discussed openly. Rodrigo, I recognize your passion, but I must disagree with you. Mo has said it correctly. The purpose of Fedora is not to vote on all sorts of things. The purpose of Fedora is to provide a leadership model for individual teams to take ownership of tasks, and work those tasks to completion in an open, inclusive way. And I think it's worth pointing out that the whole reason we have a different theme now, as opposed to the landscape originally being worked for F11, is precisely *because* the open process allowed someone to bring in a new idea. Did it occur late in the process? Yes. But people committed to working on many of the design pieces needed, which created a clear consensus. Discussing which of several options is most right is perfectly fine, but in the end decisions are made by the people in the teams who are directly doing the work, or those who are active participants. To speak directly: I am a lurker on fedora-art-list. Sometimes I say I like this one! but I don't expect that my voice will have any more than a minor impact, because I'm not the one designing the artwork. I think the fact that the lion is being shipped as an alternative and is default in dual-monitor settings is a good compromise of all the various ideas. Absolutely. As someone who observed for himself the issues with interaction between desktop icons and the lion design, I think it was the correct decision. I would also like everyone here to remember that the decisions we make always have ramifications. It is impossible to lead, in any pursuit, and expect to make every single person happy all the time, no matter how much we'd like it if that was the case. I try to expect that reaction, listen thoughtfully, and do the best I can to at least achieve understanding. Where that isn't possible, I leave the conversation knowing that I've done the best I can, and accept that I cannot provide perfect happiness to everyone -- it's out of my control. Mo, Nicu, Samuele, Paolo, and many other people (please forgive me if I didn't list all names, it's only because of my imperfect, human, aging brain) continue to do an exceptional job making Fedora look BEAUTIFUL, working as a team. Art never pleases everyone, and we can continue to look for ways to improve while peacefully accepting that. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper
On 05/07/2009 12:26 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote: If anyone would like to step up as art team leader, please let me know, as I no longer wish to hold the position. Mo, I understand why you feel like this at times, but honestly I don't know anyone who would be able to assume this position and also be recognized as such *inside* or *outside* of the team. So please, have a walk in the park, have some fun time and maybe you will find enough new energy. As for the wallpaper problem, here is my proposed solution, hope the schedule still allow it: include the right screen (the lion head) in the default package, so those wanting it don't have to download additional stuff, have only to click on Change Desktop Background (as we had with the temple image). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper
Hi Rodrigo, - Original Message From: Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira rodrigopad...@projetofedora.org To: Fedora-art-list@redhat.com Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 2:36:25 PM Subject: Wallpaper Hello Guys! The Fedora 11 Preview wallpaper is the Final version of our artwork ? Why the lion was ripped ? We received numerous rawhide user complaints that the lion was too distracting for a default background. We decided to make the lion wallpaper a bonus feature for the right screen in a dual screen setup as well as offer the lion wallpaper as a non-default alternative. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper
Hi Mairin. Máirín Duffy escreveu: Hi Rodrigo, - Original Message From: Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira rodrigopad...@projetofedora.org To: Fedora-art-list@redhat.com Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 2:36:25 PM Subject: Wallpaper Hello Guys! The Fedora 11 Preview wallpaper is the Final version of our artwork ? Why the lion was ripped ? We received numerous rawhide user complaints that the lion was too distracting for a default background. We decided to make the lion wallpaper a bonus feature for the right screen in a dual screen setup as well as offer the lion wallpaper as a non-default alternative. The wallpaper without a symbol is very simple! How the group take this decisions ? I think will be better to use the vote system for next releases, to get feedback from all Ambassadors and contributors. Can we open this decision process ? -- Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ Fedora Community Manager - Latin America Red Hat Community and Academy Relations http://www.proyectofedora.org http://twitter.com/rodrigopadula http://www.rodrigopadula.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper
Máirín Duffy escreveu: Hi Rodrigo, - Original Message From: Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira rodrigopad...@projetofedora.org To: Fedora Art List fedora-art-list@redhat.com Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 3:15:47 PM Subject: Re: Wallpaper The wallpaper without a symbol is very simple! Who says a default wallpaper needs to be complicated? The more complex a default wallpaper, the harder it is to see the items on your desktop. This is not a good thing and we receive complaints *regulary* when a wallpaper is perceived to be too complicated/busy for discerning items on the desktop. How the group take this decisions ? Not complicated, but with a logo or symbol about the name/release. I think a blue screen with some effects isn't the best wallpaper for Fedora 11. Fedora 10 had a sun Fedora 9 waves Fedora 8 transition effect during the day Fedora 7 balloons . In general, how this group handles a decision (and how I think any group would) depends at what level the decision is and the context around the decision. This particular problem needed to be addressed (in short-order to say the least) so I made a call on the list. No one opposed it and several people supported it. If you are curious read back through the list archives. I think will be better to use the vote system for next releases, to get feedback from all Ambassadors and contributors. Can we open this decision process ? I think voting on every bug and issue that comes up (especially in something as subjective as artwork where user preferences vary widely) is a really bad idea for ANY project. It's supremely inefficient - how can you accomplish anything when you are constantly needing to arrange and manage voting processes? Who gets to vote on the items that get to be on the ballot? Design itself is essentially a continual process of decision-making. If we had a vote on every single decision made for every design this team produced for Fedora, it might take us 10 years to do the artwork for a release and I don't feel I am exaggerating. This is an extremely open design team. We openly discuss our methods and our decisions, and we make our source artwork available in open formats using open licenses so anyone who wants to participate, extend, or build on our work can easily. If you been participating in the list when we received complaints on this particular issue and when we made the final call on how to handle it, you could have spoken up just as anyone else could have. Even if you were not paying attention to the list at the time, it doesn't mean the issue wasn't discussed openly. I really want to see more folks participating in the artwork process - creating mockups or alternatives or suggesting solutions to problems such as this one (where the lion was too distracting for some users). So, if you would like to have a say, please join us. Then the next time an issue like this crops up, you'll more easily be able to take the opportunity to speak up and discuss the issue. My sugestion isn't to voting on every bug and issue that comes up, but voting on artwork options for every Fedora Release to take a direction (not a final decision), to have feedback from the people that spread and use Fedora around the world. I'm talking constantly with Maria Leandro, Jayme and more recently Samuele and nobody knew about the changes and decisions taked about the wallpaper/Lion. If this process is open, clear and etc why these members, member of this list don't knew about this decision ? For me this decision impacts all users/contributors/ambassadors, but the decision isn't clear and isn't open! Samule saved us again, this time from a Windows XP Like wallpaper, but, unfortunately the beautiful wallpaper was ripped! Our artwork team is great and is doing a GREAT JOB, but, we need to improve the decision process. -- Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ Fedora Community Manager - Latin America Red Hat Community and Academy Relations http://www.proyectofedora.org http://twitter.com/rodrigopadula http://www.rodrigopadula.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper
- Original Message From: Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira rodrigopad...@projetofedora.org Not complicated, but with a logo or symbol about the name/release. We haven't had a logo in the wallpaper since F8. The wallpaper uses the same base artwork/theme as the more knock-you-over-the-head artwork so it matches fine. I think a blue screen with some effects isn't the best wallpaper for Fedora 11. Fedora 10 had a sun Fedora 9 waves Fedora 8 transition effect during the day This was an extremely abstract rendering. F8 and F9 both had transition effects. Just because things were done one way in the past doesn't mean that way was the best way or the way to go now. As has been discussed on this list extensively over the past couple of years, we're looking to tone down the artwork a lot more and make it a bit more elegant and not knock-you-over-the-head-with-something-thematic-in-every-single-available-space-used-for-artwork. My sugestion isn't to voting on every bug and issue that comes up, but voting on artwork options for every Fedora Release to take a direction (not a final decision), to have feedback from the people that spread and use Fedora around the world. I'm sorry, I must have misunderstood. I thought you were talking about the decision to not have the lion on the left screen wallpaper by default. The decision to go with the lion wallpaper was made very much as a group discussion, discussed and agonized over thoroughly on-list and over IRC. The last time we did a vote was a disaster. We were getting multiple art team FAS group requests daily from people who wanted to vote. Too bad we don't normally get that many requests from people who actually want to help produce artwork. I'm talking constantly with Maria Leandro, Jayme and more recently Samuele and nobody knew about the changes and decisions taked about the wallpaper/Lion. Ultimately, as the team lead of the art team, I am responsible for when these decisions have to be made. I am the person who has to stay up all night and work to make deadlines, giving up my free time up to get things done when it isn't getting done. This is a role I truly do not enjoy, as it seems that the artwork is ALWAYS controversial, release after release. There is no way to satisfy everyone with the artwork. When one person is happy, there are 5 others who are upset about it. Change things to make those 5 people happy, then there are 20 more who are unhappy. Samuele went on vacation for a long time. Unfortunately, the deadlines for this team do not get to go on vacation. We were getting many complaints about the lion being in the wallpaper by default, and a decision had to be made. If I had held a vote, Samuele wouldn't have been there to vote. It is unfortunate that the artwork we went with was submitted so late (well past the deadline). The quality of the artwork is what drove us to make an exception to the deadline, but this obviously left us very shorthanded on time to deal with issues that cropped up such as the incessant complaints about the lion being too busy. Perhaps if the artwork had been submitted according to the schedule, we would have had more time to deliberate on how to handle the user complaints. Please read the archives. Please. I just had to take time out of my incredibly busy day to dig these links out for you. I would greatly appreciate if you would honor that by reading these threads before continuing this discussion. Thread: Artwork Feedback start here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00070.html Thread: Leonidas background brightness start here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00137.html Thread: Leonidas backgrounds start here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00132.html Thread: Improving Leonidas backgrounds start here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00141.html Message (Schedule reminder) https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00160.html Thread: Wallpaper for F11 https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00255.html If this process is open, clear and etc why these members, member of this list don't knew about this decision ? If they were following the list, they would have as documented above. If Samuele, Maria, and Jayme have issues I would rather hear from them directly than second hand, okay? I saw Samuele's message about the changes and after the discussion that had ensured I had thought the confusion had been cleared up. I have not heard from either Maria or Jayme about their concerns as of yet so that is news to me. For me this decision impacts all users/contributors/ambassadors, but the decision isn't clear and isn't open! You tell me how it isn't open after reading the threads above. Samule saved us again, this time from a Windows XP Like wallpaper, but, unfortunately the beautiful
Re: Wallpaper
Hello all. Between lines: 2009/5/7 Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com: - Original Message From: Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira rodrigopad...@projetofedora.org Not complicated, but with a logo or symbol about the name/release. We haven't had a logo in the wallpaper since F8. The wallpaper uses the same base artwork/theme as the more knock-you-over-the-head artwork so it matches fine. I think a blue screen with some effects isn't the best wallpaper for Fedora 11. Fedora 10 had a sun Fedora 9 waves Fedora 8 transition effect during the day This was an extremely abstract rendering. F8 and F9 both had transition effects. Just because things were done one way in the past doesn't mean that way was the best way or the way to go now. As has been discussed on this list extensively over the past couple of years, we're looking to tone down the artwork a lot more and make it a bit more elegant and not knock-you-over-the-head-with-something-thematic-in-every-single-available-space-used-for-artwork. I think that we were fine with the F6, F7 and F8 wallpapers; and the change was a little bit too hard. I said this before and is my personal opinion. I send some test in the past but I was really working with other issues. Besides my English isn't so good, and sometimes I just don't want to give an answer for not make a mistake. My sugestion isn't to voting on every bug and issue that comes up, but voting on artwork options for every Fedora Release to take a direction (not a final decision), to have feedback from the people that spread and use Fedora around the world. I'm sorry, I must have misunderstood. I thought you were talking about the decision to not have the lion on the left screen wallpaper by default. The decision to go with the lion wallpaper was made very much as a group discussion, discussed and agonized over thoroughly on-list and over IRC. The last time we did a vote was a disaster. We were getting multiple art team FAS group requests daily from people who wanted to vote. Too bad we don't normally get that many requests from people who actually want to help produce artwork. There are a lot of solutions for this. For example, take the voting in 2 sections: 60% of the current art team 40% of a free vote Is really important to get the users opinions. They will use fedora and the artwork (for me) is one of the most important issues. The users (noobs or pro) will see the wallpaper everyday, this is really important. I'm talking constantly with Maria Leandro, Jayme and more recently Samuele and nobody knew about the changes and decisions taked about the wallpaper/Lion. Ultimately, as the team lead of the art team, I am responsible for when these decisions have to be made. I am the person who has to stay up all night and work to make deadlines, giving up my free time up to get things done when it isn't getting done. This is a role I truly do not enjoy, as it seems that the artwork is ALWAYS controversial, release after release. There is no way to satisfy everyone with the artwork. When one person is happy, there are 5 others who are upset about it. Change things to make those 5 people happy, then there are 20 more who are unhappy. We all do that Mairin. In different ways we all give something from our lives to the project. Is true that you take the mayor responsibility and always there is a group of persons who never get satisfied, but there are ways to know if the artwork (in this case) goes on the right line. Like I said, polls, interviews, comments, free suggestions need to be done frequently. Samuele went on vacation for a long time. Unfortunately, the deadlines for this team do not get to go on vacation. We were getting many complaints about the lion being in the wallpaper by default, and a decision had to be made. If I had held a vote, Samuele wouldn't have been there to vote. It is unfortunate that the artwork we went with was submitted so late (well past the deadline). The quality of the artwork is what drove us to make an exception to the deadline, but this obviously left us very shorthanded on time to deal with issues that cropped up such as the incessant complaints about the lion being too busy. Perhaps if the artwork had been submitted according to the schedule, we would have had more time to deliberate on how to handle the user complaints. Please read the archives. Please. I just had to take time out of my incredibly busy day to dig these links out for you. I would greatly appreciate if you would honor that by reading these threads before continuing this discussion. Thread: Artwork Feedback start here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00070.html Thread: Leonidas background brightness start here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00137.html Thread: Leonidas backgrounds start here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora
Re: Wallpaper
Máirín Duffy escreveu: - Original Message From: Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira rodrigopad...@projetofedora.org Not complicated, but with a logo or symbol about the name/release. We haven't had a logo in the wallpaper since F8. The wallpaper uses the same base artwork/theme as the more knock-you-over-the-head artwork so it matches fine. I think a blue screen with some effects isn't the best wallpaper for Fedora 11. Fedora 10 had a sun Fedora 9 waves Fedora 8 transition effect during the day This was an extremely abstract rendering. F8 and F9 both had transition effects. Yes, I know! Just because things were done one way in the past doesn't mean that way was the best way or the way to go now. As has been discussed on this list extensively over the past couple of years, we're looking to tone down the artwork a lot more and make it a bit more elegant and not knock-you-over-the-head-with-something-thematic-in-every-single-available-space-used-for-artwork. We need to change, of corse, but we need to improve, to grow up. Release by release the artwork team has done this job better and better. IMHO the Fedora 11 artwork, codename and slogan isn't going in the same way. All decisions was very confuse and troubled. My sugestion isn't to voting on every bug and issue that comes up, but voting on artwork options for every Fedora Release to take a direction (not a final decision), to have feedback from the people that spread and use Fedora around the world. I'm sorry, I must have misunderstood. I thought you were talking about the decision to not have the lion on the left screen wallpaper by default. The decision to go with the lion wallpaper was made very much as a group discussion, discussed and agonized over thoroughly on-list and over IRC. The last time we did a vote was a disaster. We were getting multiple art team FAS group requests daily from people who wanted to vote. Too bad we don't normally get that many requests from people who actually want to help produce artwork. I'm talking constantly with Maria Leandro, Jayme and more recently Samuele and nobody knew about the changes and decisions taked about the wallpaper/Lion. Ultimately, as the team lead of the art team, I am responsible for when these decisions have to be made. I am the person who has to stay up all night and work to make deadlines, giving up my free time up to get things done when it isn't getting done. This is a role I truly do not enjoy, as it seems that the artwork is ALWAYS controversial, release after release. There is no way to satisfy everyone with the artwork. When one person is happy, there are 5 others who are upset about it. Change things to make those 5 people happy,then there are 20 more who are unhappy Your arguments confirm my arguments. If we have troubles and controversies release by release, the process is not good enough and we need to improve. I'm working in the Fedora Project since 2005 as contributor (translation, documentation, free media, events, support, infra, fedora latam, fedora education and others projects) and some decisions makes our job more hard, I know! Samuele went on vacation for a long time. Unfortunately, the deadlines for this team do not get to go on vacation. We were getting many complaints about the lion being in the wallpaper by default, and a decision had to be made. If I had held a vote, Samuele wouldn't have been there to vote. It is unfortunate that the artwork we went with was submitted so late (well past the deadline). The quality of the artwork is what drove us to make an exception to the deadline, but this obviously left us very shorthanded on time to deal with issues that cropped up such as the incessant complaints about the lion being too busy. Perhaps if the artwork had been submitted according to the schedule, we would have had more time to deliberate on how to handle the user complaints. Please read the archives. Please. I just had to take time out of my incredibly busy day to dig these links out for you. I would greatly appreciate if you would honor that by reading these threads before continuing this discussion. Sure! Thread: Artwork Feedback start here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00070.html Thread: Leonidas background brightness start here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00137.html Thread: Leonidas backgrounds start here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00132.html Thread: Improving Leonidas backgrounds start here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00141.html Message (Schedule reminder) https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00160.html Thread: Wallpaper for F11 https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00255.html Good, but, we have millions of users. Using a open process (voting system
Re: Wallpaper
Firstly it's already to late in the release cycle to start demanding some kind of vote or voting system. Secondly Participate or monitor to this list from the beginning of the release cycle to be up2date on what's happening and why things are being done the way they are being done. If you are unable to do that start reading the mailing lists archives before posting a topic to prevent reoccurring threads. If you have something to add added to that thread. ( If the topic reoccurred reply to the thread with a link to the original thread ) Thirdly This decision has been made and it's final ( at least for this release cycle ) Fourthly The background with the lion did not get sent to /dev/null If you want the lion open up a terminal and run su -c 'rpm -Uhv http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/leonidas-backgrounds/10.93.0/1.fc11/noarch/leonidas-backgrounds-10.93.0-1.fc11.noarch.rpm http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/leonidas-backgrounds/10.93.0/1.fc11/noarch/leonidas-backgrounds-common-10.93.0-1.fc11.noarch.rpm --oldpackage echo exclude=leonidas-backgrounds leonidas-backgrounds-common /etc/yum.conf' If the background with the lion will be provided as an add on then just open up a terminal window and run yum -y install $package Then select that background from the list from available backgrounds. ( Ye might wanna add that to the release-notes for those that want the lion ) Máirín Duffy you are doing great job and are an excellent leader don't let the nature of mailing lists put you off balance just build an immune system :). And to the whole Art Team as always your arts is spectacular and is the envy of all the other distros.. JBG -- Viking-Ice One of my gods has a hammer your's was nailed to a cross You do the math! ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper
Hi JBG! I'm a Gnu/Linux user since 1996 and Fedora user since Fedora 1. So, I know how can I change my wallpaper and install packages, thanks :-) After the ugly Windows XP Like wallpaper and the Blue Screen of death without a fedora identity/relation I will keep in touch in this list to give the US$0,02 of our community (Latam/Brazil). Best regards! -- Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ Fedora Community Manager - Latin America Red Hat Community and Academy Relations http://www.proyectofedora.org http://twitter.com/rodrigopadula http://www.rodrigopadula.com Jóhann B. Guðmundsson escreveu: Firstly it's already to late in the release cycle to start demanding some kind of vote or voting system. Secondly Participate or monitor to this list from the beginning of the release cycle to be up2date on what's happening and why things are being done the way they are being done. If you are unable to do that start reading the mailing lists archives before posting a topic to prevent reoccurring threads. If you have something to add added to that thread. ( If the topic reoccurred reply to the thread with a link to the original thread ) Thirdly This decision has been made and it's final ( at least for this release cycle ) Fourthly The background with the lion did not get sent to /dev/null If you want the lion open up a terminal and run su -c 'rpm -Uhv http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/leonidas-backgrounds/10.93.0/1.fc11/noarch/leonidas-backgrounds-10.93.0-1.fc11.noarch.rpm http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/leonidas-backgrounds/10.93.0/1.fc11/noarch/leonidas-backgrounds-common-10.93.0-1.fc11.noarch.rpm --oldpackage echo exclude=leonidas-backgrounds leonidas-backgrounds-common /etc/yum.conf' If the background with the lion will be provided as an add on then just open up a terminal window and run yum -y install $package Then select that background from the list from available backgrounds. ( Ye might wanna add that to the release-notes for those that want the lion ) Máirín Duffy you are doing great job and are an excellent leader don't let the nature of mailing lists put you off balance just build an immune system :). And to the whole Art Team as always your arts is spectacular and is the envy of all the other distros.. JBG ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper
- Original Message From: María Leandro tat...@fedoraproject.org Just because things were done one way in the past doesn't mean that way was the best way or the way to go now. As has been discussed on this list extensively over the past couple of years, we're looking to tone down the artwork a lot more and make it a bit more elegant and not knock-you-over-the-head-with-something-thematic-in-every-single-available-space-used-for-artwork. I think that we were fine with the F6, F7 and F8 wallpapers; and the change was a little bit too hard. I said this before and is my personal opinion. I send some test in the past but I was really working with other issues. Besides my English isn't so good, and sometimes I just don't want to give an answer for not make a mistake. I do not think we were fine because we got many vehement arguments against what we did with F6-F8 so it seemed worth trying something different. The last time we did a vote was a disaster. We were getting multiple art team FAS group requests daily from people who wanted to vote. Too bad we don't normally get that many requests from people who actually want to help produce artwork. There are a lot of solutions for this. For example, take the voting in 2 sections: 60% of the current art team 40% of a free vote If we can't even police a vote with just the art team, how are we going to police something Fedora-wide? I think the artwork vote is going to be something people are going to sign up for accounts just to participate in. Is really important to get the users opinions. They will use fedora and the artwork (for me) is one of the most important issues. The users (noobs or pro) will see the wallpaper everyday, this is really important. We already get users' opinions. We've made many of the changes that occurred during this cycle because of feedback from users. I'm talking constantly with Maria Leandro, Jayme and more recently Samuele and nobody knew about the changes and decisions taked about the wallpaper/Lion. Ultimately, as the team lead of the art team, I am responsible for when these decisions have to be made. I am the person who has to stay up all night and work to make deadlines, giving up my free time up to get things done when it isn't getting done. This is a role I truly do not enjoy, as it seems that the artwork is ALWAYS controversial, release after release. There is no way to satisfy everyone with the artwork. When one person is happy, there are 5 others who are upset about it. Change things to make those 5 people happy, then there are 20 more who are unhappy. We all do that Mairin. In different ways we all give something from our lives to the project. Is true that you take the mayor responsibility and always there is a group of persons who never get satisfied, but there are ways to know if the artwork (in this case) goes on the right line. Like I said, polls, interviews, comments, free suggestions need to be done frequently. By saying that I am working late nights on this stuff when I don't want to is not in any way an attempt to discount the hard work everyone else does. I am just trying to illustrate being in a hard position that I do not want to be in. We do polls and interviews and talk to people. For example, David Leray did a study of the fedora-fr forum users (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00070.html). I did a survey on my blog early on. We had a lot of users bringing up comments and feedback about the artwork here on list and in the IRC channels. If you think we need to do more, who will do it? How much more do we need? How frequently? Do you have a plan in mind? If they were following the list, they would have as documented above. If Samuele, Maria, and Jayme have issues I would rather hear from them directly than second hand, okay? I saw Samuele's message about the changes and after the discussion that had ensured I had thought the confusion had been cleared up. I have not heard from either Maria or Jayme about their concerns as of yet so that is news to me. I think this isn't necessary. This is not like who say and who didn't read a thread. Is right that I hasn't been reading every thread of the Fedora11 discussion; my mistake.; I also have a huge responsibility working on a lot of LATAM events, on Spanish artwork, Users support for new users, working on several things of the Design Service, and more. We're all busy. It's not fair though, to say that a decision was not made in the open when it WAS made in the open and you were simply not listening. If anyone would like to step up as art team leader, please let me know, as I no longer wish to hold the position. We need a lot of new ideas; more people working on themes. I've seen that in the past 2 versions, people don't send many artwork as they did before. This is the point that we need
Re: Wallpaper
On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 02:26:05PM -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: - Original Message From: Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira rodrigopad...@projetofedora.org Samule saved us again, this time from a Windows XP Like wallpaper, but, unfortunately the beautiful wallpaper was ripped! Our artwork team is great and is doing a GREAT JOB, but, we need to improve the decision process. If anyone would like to step up as art team leader, please let me know, as I no longer wish to hold the position. Rodrigo, please end this argument now. Máirín alone has answered every point you have brought up on this list with a rational argument that has been agreed upon with consensus previously on this list. Fedora is not a democracy as you would like it to be. Fedora is a meritocracy. Those who do things have more clout in how things are done. For example, Máirín has spent a multitude of very late nights working on wallpaper for deadline since I've started contributing. The decision process works, we have reached a consensus of many Art Team members, and raising trivial complaints similar to yours this late in the development cycle will not get things done. Thank you for ending this argument and realizing that you have a choice to add the lion back to the wallpaper yourself. You might also be interested in this essay: http://fpaste.org/paste/11201 -- Ian Weller i...@ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 pgpHR9Xxwp1cd.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper
Ian Weller escreveu: On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 02:26:05PM -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: - Original Message From: Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira rodrigopad...@projetofedora.org Samule saved us again, this time from a Windows XP Like wallpaper, but, unfortunately the beautiful wallpaper was ripped! Our artwork team is great and is doing a GREAT JOB, but, we need to improve the decision process. If anyone would like to step up as art team leader, please let me know, as I no longer wish to hold the position. Rodrigo, please end this argument now. Máirín alone has answered every point you have brought up on this list with a rational argument that has been agreed upon with consensus previously on this list. Fedora is not a democracy as you would like it to be. Fedora is a meritocracy. Those who do things have more clout in how things are done. For example, Máirín has spent a multitude of very late nights working on wallpaper for deadline since I've started contributing. Thank you for ending this argument and realizing that you have a choice to add the lion back to the wallpaper yourself. You might also be interested in this essay: http://fpaste.org/paste/11201 Sometimes meritocracy sounds like autocracy in the Fedora Project. Talking about meritocracy, the King Concept wallpaper was made by Samuele THE GREAT to save us from the Greek Concept Windows Xp based and his job was ripped without consensus! Take a look: Fedora 11 Wallpaper - Life Cycle 1 - First we had a Greek Concept Wallpaper. 2 - Second we had a King Concept Wallpaper. 3 - Now we have only a Wallpaper, without Greek, without King and without a CONCEPT. That's the point! What's the concept used to take/define the consensus? -- Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ Fedora Community Manager - Latin America Red Hat Community and Academy Relations http://www.proyectofedora.org http://twitter.com/rodrigopadula http://www.rodrigopadula.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Wallpaper for F11
Hi everybody, I was out for the easter's holidays in the last days and I'm returned only yesterday. I see a lot of mail and a lot of changes, I need some explanation, 'cause I have some doubt on the Wallpaper: will we use the Lion only for the Dual Screen? So if it is, I don't think it's a good idea, 'cause the Lion is the heores of this comunication, of this theme, and takin' it apart for me isn't the right choice, I'm asking 'cause maybe I misunderstood. I'm glad if someone could explain me the direction we take. Ciao Samuele -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper for F11
El jue, 23-04-2009 a las 17:45 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik escribió: On Thursday 23 April 2009 17:40:26 Samuele Storari wrote: Hi everybody, Hi Samuele! Hi!!! I was out for the easter's holidays in the last days and I'm returned only yesterday. I see a lot of mail and a lot of changes, I need some explanation, 'cause I have some doubt on the Wallpaper: will we use the Lion only for the Dual Screen? It seems so - people complained that lion is too bright and it's unusable for icons/desktop applets. So if it is, I don't think it's a good idea, 'cause the Lion is the heores of this comunication, of this theme, and takin' it apart for me isn't the right choice, I'm asking 'cause maybe I misunderstood. Maybe I'd like to have one wp theme with lion but only as optional one. It's a little boring theme now but please do not change it - I already have splash/KDM theme and I don't really want to redo it for third time :D An optional wall with the lion could be great (more choice) Jaroslav I'm glad if someone could explain me the direction we take. Ciao Samuele ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper for F11
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 05:48:10PM +0200, Israel Rodríguez wrote: El jue, 23-04-2009 a las 17:45 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik escribió: On Thursday 23 April 2009 17:40:26 Samuele Storari wrote: I was out for the easter's holidays in the last days and I'm returned only yesterday. I see a lot of mail and a lot of changes, I need some explanation, 'cause I have some doubt on the Wallpaper: will we use the Lion only for the Dual Screen? It seems so - people complained that lion is too bright and it's unusable for icons/desktop applets. So if it is, I don't think it's a good idea, 'cause the Lion is the heores of this comunication, of this theme, and takin' it apart for me isn't the right choice, I'm asking 'cause maybe I misunderstood. Maybe I'd like to have one wp theme with lion but only as optional one. It's a little boring theme now but please do not change it - I already have splash/KDM theme and I don't really want to redo it for third time :D An optional wall with the lion could be great (more choice) You might want to consider making the lion less present. Maybe lower the opacity, or alter the color levels to make the lion interfere less with desktop icons on top of it. Sorry if I'm not using the right terminology, I leave the implementation details to the true artists! :-) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpX4eIsussHj.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper for F11
El jue, 23-04-2009 a las 12:35 -0400, Paul W. Frields escribió: On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 05:48:10PM +0200, Israel Rodríguez wrote: El jue, 23-04-2009 a las 17:45 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik escribió: On Thursday 23 April 2009 17:40:26 Samuele Storari wrote: I was out for the easter's holidays in the last days and I'm returned only yesterday. I see a lot of mail and a lot of changes, I need some explanation, 'cause I have some doubt on the Wallpaper: will we use the Lion only for the Dual Screen? It seems so - people complained that lion is too bright and it's unusable for icons/desktop applets. So if it is, I don't think it's a good idea, 'cause the Lion is the heores of this comunication, of this theme, and takin' it apart for me isn't the right choice, I'm asking 'cause maybe I misunderstood. Maybe I'd like to have one wp theme with lion but only as optional one. It's a little boring theme now but please do not change it - I already have splash/KDM theme and I don't really want to redo it for third time :D An optional wall with the lion could be great (more choice) You might want to consider making the lion less present. Maybe lower the opacity, or alter the color levels to make the lion interfere less with desktop icons on top of it. Sorry if I'm not using the right terminology, I leave the implementation details to the true artists! :-) XD In my opinion, a more transparent lion (and perhaps smaller) may be more comfortable to final user ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Security Spin Wallpaper
Hi Craig, I think your rendering here is fine and addresses the issue folks pointed out about the fingerprint. I wonder though if a fingerprint is really a good concept for a security wallpaper. Have you talked to the security spin folks to brainstorm some alternative conceptual ideas? What's the main purpose of the security spin - from their wiki page it looks like its goal is To provide a fully functional livecd based on Fedora for use in security auditing, forensics, and penetration testing. So one thing you could try to do is to talk to a few system admins who work on security auditing / forensics/ penetration testing (I can introduce you to a few if that would be helpful) and see if they have any ideas as to what kind of wallpaper they would prefer. A few other ideas: - develop a 'brand' (a literal brand) or logomark specifically for the security spin that could be imprinted on whatever is the default wallpaper for the current Fedora release - look for a nice appropriately creative commons licensed wallpaper that gets high marks from security spin users and brand that with a fedora security mark Hope this helps! ~m From: Craig Kempf crai...@gmail.com To: Fedora Art List fedora-art-list@redhat.com Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:48:31 AM Subject: Re: Security Spin Wallpaper Thanks for your input. I created 2 more wallpapers based more or less on the previous theme I did. I see your point about the fingerprint, so I distorted and blurred it which also might make this a more interesting design. Included are a wallpaper with the standard Fedora color logo, and one with Fedora in white. http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1369/securityspinwall2.png http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/444/securityspinwall2b.png ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Security Spin Wallpaper
On 04/17/2009 09:30 PM, Mola pahnadayan wrote: On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 12:55 -0400, Craig Kempf wrote: Low res version of a wallpaper design for Security Spin. Please let me know what you think. Thanks... Hi :) I think it's good art idea for fedora 12 theme, really good. I think it is proposed for F11 time frame, as it is intended for a spin, not for a default. Back at the graphic: there are any sources available? A large version? It would not be better to make the logotype white? see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines#Reversing_Logotype_Color_to_White Someone will ask: is this a real fingerprint? (i.e. from a real person) no privacy issues about that? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Security Spin Wallpaper
On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 12:55 -0400, Craig Kempf wrote: Low res version of a wallpaper design for Security Spin. Please let me know what you think. Thanks... ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Hi :) I think it's good art idea for fedora 12 theme, really good. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper Extras - was: Re: F11 Art Schedule
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 12:36 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Martin, Mo, let breathe a bit and make a plan: - when do we need the extra wallpapers packaged? a deadline... since we talk about bitmaps, can we go with something absolutely minimal for the freeze and add a few more later? I think, freeze is irrelevant here. It's highly probable it won't be on any of the official spins, so having the package released at the same day as GA is IMHO fine. - do we require some minimal specs for the images, like a minimum resolution? Good uestion. How does 1600x1200 and 1600x1050 as the minimum reqs sounds? I think I have some images that could do for nice wallpapers (mostly flower macros) and knowing about a deadline would be useful to prioritize some work (selection, gimping, upload). Cool. I think Mo should have the last word about the deadline, but you can do some work nevertheless, should you have some spare time to do it. Another question is, should we package all the wallpapers on the wallpaper extras wiki [1], or are we going to hand-pick a few? Also, I don't recall the conversation back then, but when googling, I found this proposal [2] from Ian that sound like a pretty big improvement over our current set-up. It would require probably these steps: 1. reorganise the wallpaper extras wiki, create categories and templates 2. create an art-team space on fedora hosted (with git for the stored images) 3. create a script (be it in python, ruby, perl, bash, whatever) to pull the images together with info (author, cc attribution, ...) from wiki and put them in a sane format into the git repo Note that we would benefit from the fedorahosted space even more - i.e. we would have good place to store the release graphics (especially the wallpapers which currently contain the source archive only within the srpm) have a place to track our tasks (ticket system) and could also be a better place than wiki for the design queue. Martin [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Wallpaper_Extras [2] http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-art-list@redhat.com/msg06898.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper Extras - was: Re: F11 Art Schedule
On 04/09/2009 12:57 PM, Martin Sourada wrote: On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 12:36 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: - do we require some minimal specs for the images, like a minimum resolution? Good uestion. How does 1600x1200 and 1600x1050 as the minimum reqs sounds? Those are absolute minimums. We can accept something lower only if it is vector image. But what could be a recommended rezolution? Another question is, should we package all the wallpapers on the wallpaper extras wiki [1], or are we going to hand-pick a few? If we open the gate and announce that widely, I think we will get *a lot* of images, ending with a huge package. IMO we can have two types of criteria to divide the images: - the quality, and I don't mean the *artistic* quality, but technical quality, for images with too much noise, bad focus or exposure, wrong aspect ratio and such; - the subject, someone wanting a nice landscape may not want to endure the download of a lot of flower macros and cute cats. Also, I don't recall the conversation back then, but when googling, I found this proposal [2] from Ian that sound like a pretty big improvement over our current set-up. It would require probably these steps: 1. reorganise the wallpaper extras wiki, create categories and templates 2. create an art-team space on fedora hosted (with git for the stored images) 3. create a script (be it in python, ruby, perl, bash, whatever) to pull the images together with info (author, cc attribution, ...) from wiki and put them in a sane format into the git repo Note that we would benefit from the fedorahosted space even more - i.e. we would have good place to store the release graphics (especially the wallpapers which currently contain the source archive only within the srpm) have a place to track our tasks (ticket system) and could also be a better place than wiki for the design queue. I would like a much lower barrier to entry, having an upload form there the contributor select a file to upload, check a few boxes and fill a few fields with keywords, press a button and is done (that sounds awfully close to a gallery software?). If the barrier is low and contribution easy, I am sure we will get more contributors. Ian's proposal sound better for the packager but somewhat complicated for the contributor. Martin [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Wallpaper_Extras [2] http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-art-list@redhat.com/msg06898.html -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Wallpaper Extras - was: Re: F11 Art Schedule
On 04/08/2009 10:52 AM, Martin Sourada wrote: On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 10:19 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: On 04/08/2009 04:18 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote: 11. wallpaper extras - I do not think this is on your task list John but I think we need to add it. I want to try to revive the wallpaper project Nicu started so we can ship some nice extras wallpapers so the default wallpaper isn't the only thing we do. I was wondering if anyone has time to help me out with this? Or is it too late right now to do something like this? I am not sure we have enough time for those extra wallpapers, what the deadline would be for them? Martin started the collection of the wiki and at the time he talked about packaging. Martin, are you still up for for packaging them? Yup, I hope to put some packages together as soon as I have enough time to do so. Martin, Mo, let breathe a bit and make a plan: - when do we need the extra wallpapers packaged? a deadline... since we talk about bitmaps, can we go with something absolutely minimal for the freeze and add a few more later? - do we require some minimal specs for the images, like a minimum resolution? I think I have some images that could do for nice wallpapers (mostly flower macros) and knowing about a deadline would be useful to prioritize some work (selection, gimping, upload). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
correct wallpaper format
Just trying to create some star-field wallpapers for the fedora astronomy spin. Just want to now what is the correct wallpaper format? Get fit, feel better! All the help you need at Yahoo!Xtra Health - http://nz.lifestyle.yahoo.com/health___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: correct wallpaper format
On Sat, 2009-04-04 at 09:14 -0700, brian hurren wrote: Just trying to create some star-field wallpapers for the fedora astronomy spin. Just want to now what is the correct wallpaper format? I don't know which Desktop Environment is the Astronomy Spin using, but unless you are planning on making an animated wallpaper (like the time of day changes in F10 Desktop Spin Wallpaper) just plain png or jpeg is fine. Standard ratios are 4:3 (highest resolution with this ratio we support in Fedora 10 wallpapers is 2048x1536) and 16:10 (highest used resolution we support is 1920x1200) plus the weird 5:4 for 1280x1024 and I don't recall the exact resolution/ratios for EeePC, but I think it was non-standard as well. GNOME in addition supports defining the wallpaper via XML file which lets you support all size ratios you want in one file and also lets you create simple animations. Hope this answers your question :) Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: correct wallpaper format
On Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 07:52:35PM +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: I don't recall the exact resolution/ratios for EeePC, but I think it was non-standard as well. One is 800x400 and the other is 1024x600. It's weird. -- Ian Weller ianwel...@gmail.com GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 pgpspwBMjNYjd.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 wood wallpaper
Thomas Kole wrote: Nicu Buculei wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: Other than that we have an explicit policy to not ship wallpapers with the Fedora logo in them. This not only makes our wallpapers more generally useful, but also lessens the complications for folks who repackage Fedora under a different name (eg unofficial spins). Máirín is right. Also for a *defaut* Fedora theme, I would like to use some blue, even if a secondary color. No sorry, blue would look awful with brown. It dont have to be a standard wallpaper, like the solar is now, but more like the stone bird and the ladybugs :) This is why I emphasized default. Currently we don't have a package with additional packages. We have an intiative to collect such images but currently is dormant: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Wallpaper_Extras Maybe someone would be interested to revive it? (if so, I may have a ton of photos to add...) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 wood wallpaper
Justin Fuhrer wrote: Thomas Kole wrote: [snipped] Nicu Buculei wrote: Máirín is right. Also for a *defaut* Fedora theme, I would like to use some blue, even if a secondary color. No sorry, blue would look awful with brown. [snipped] Actually, it appears that someone else thought blue would've been fine: http://oliuss.deviantart.com/art/Hardwood-Night-88299626?offset=10 http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1649/welcomebackgroundbg.jpg *«I» *think it would look awfull, but might not. Here's a preview with blue. http://dilopho-dd.deviantart.com/art/F11-wallpaper-blue-117887125 ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 wood wallpaper
Máirín Duffy wrote: From: Thomas Kole diloph...@gmail.com No comments about mine? =( (http://dilopho-dd.deviantart.com/art/Fedora-wood-wallpaper-v2-116975355) We are looking for artwork that relates to Fedora 11's codename, Leonidas. A lion being a king (as Leonidas was) or images depicting Greek scenery fit in with the release codename. I'm not sure how wood fits in, but maybe you have an idea? Other than that we have an explicit policy to not ship wallpapers with the Fedora logo in them. This not only makes our wallpapers more generally useful, but also lessens the complications for folks who repackage Fedora under a different name (eg unofficial spins). Máirín is right. Also for a *defaut* Fedora theme, I would like to use some blue, even if a secondary color. I think, personally, the wallpaper would look a lot nicer without the Fedora logo. It looks like something I might like to use as my own wallpaper, actually, if it didn't have the logo superimposed on it. :) I like how the wood gives the wallpaper a natural feel and how the lighting suggests a stage. Did you use a texture/pattern to create it? It may be interesting to have the texture at a certain angle, not strictly vertical. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 wood wallpaper
Nicu Buculei wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: From: Thomas Kole diloph...@gmail.com No comments about mine? =( (http://dilopho-dd.deviantart.com/art/Fedora-wood-wallpaper-v2-116975355) We are looking for artwork that relates to Fedora 11's codename, Leonidas. A lion being a king (as Leonidas was) or images depicting Greek scenery fit in with the release codename. I'm not sure how wood fits in, but maybe you have an idea? Other than that we have an explicit policy to not ship wallpapers with the Fedora logo in them. This not only makes our wallpapers more generally useful, but also lessens the complications for folks who repackage Fedora under a different name (eg unofficial spins). Máirín is right. Also for a *defaut* Fedora theme, I would like to use some blue, even if a secondary color. No sorry, blue would look awful with brown. It dont have to be a standard wallpaper, like the solar is now, but more like the stone bird and the ladybugs :) I think, personally, the wallpaper would look a lot nicer without the Fedora logo. It looks like something I might like to use as my own wallpaper, actually, if it didn't have the logo superimposed on it. :) I like how the wood gives the wallpaper a natural feel and how the lighting suggests a stage. Did you use a texture/pattern to create it? It may be interesting to have the texture at a certain angle, not strictly vertical. No sorry, it wont look good with that too. But if you want to try, Ill upload the .xcf to my website. Link comes soon. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 wood wallpaper
- Original Message From: Thomas Kole diloph...@gmail.com I think, personally, the wallpaper would look a lot nicer without the Fedora logo. It looks like something I might like to use as my own wallpaper, actually, if it didn't have the logo superimposed on it. :) I like how the wood gives the wallpaper a natural feel and how the lighting suggests a stage. Did you use a texture/pattern to create it? It may be interesting to have the texture at a certain angle, not strictly vertical. No sorry, it wont look good with that too. But if you want to try, Ill upload the .xcf to my website. Link comes soon. What do you man? It wouldn't look good at an angle? Or it wouldn't look good without the Fedora logo? Was wondering about the answer to my question about if you used a texture/pattern to create it. It seems you missed it? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 wood wallpaper
Máirín Duffy wrote: - Original Message From: Thomas Kole diloph...@gmail.com I think, personally, the wallpaper would look a lot nicer without the Fedora logo. It looks like something I might like to use as my own wallpaper, actually, if it didn't have the logo superimposed on it. :) I like how the wood gives the wallpaper a natural feel and how the lighting suggests a stage. Did you use a texture/pattern to create it? It may be interesting to have the texture at a certain angle, not strictly vertical. No sorry, it wont look good with that too. But if you want to try, Ill upload the .xcf to my website. Link comes soon. What do you man? It wouldn't look good at an angle? Or it wouldn't look good without the Fedora logo? Was wondering about the answer to my question about if you used a texture/pattern to create it. It seems you missed it? ~m I mean when it has an angle. Yeah, it was made with a pattern and i made it myself. Of course. Regards, Thomas Kole ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 wood wallpaper
Thomas Kole wrote: [snipped] Nicu Buculei wrote: Máirín is right. Also for a *defaut* Fedora theme, I would like to use some blue, even if a secondary color. No sorry, blue would look awful with brown. [snipped] Actually, it appears that someone else thought blue would've been fine: http://oliuss.deviantart.com/art/Hardwood-Night-88299626?offset=10 http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1649/welcomebackgroundbg.jpg -- Justin Fuhrer ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
F11 wood wallpaper
No comments about mine? =( (http://dilopho-dd.deviantart.com/art/Fedora-wood-wallpaper-v2-116975355) ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 wood wallpaper
Hi Thomas, - Original Message From: Thomas Kole diloph...@gmail.com To: Fedora Art List fedora-art-list@redhat.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:45:20 PM Subject: F11 wood wallpaper No comments about mine? =( (http://dilopho-dd.deviantart.com/art/Fedora-wood-wallpaper-v2-116975355) We are looking for artwork that relates to Fedora 11's codename, Leonidas. A lion being a king (as Leonidas was) or images depicting Greek scenery fit in with the release codename. I'm not sure how wood fits in, but maybe you have an idea? Other than that we have an explicit policy to not ship wallpapers with the Fedora logo in them. This not only makes our wallpapers more generally useful, but also lessens the complications for folks who repackage Fedora under a different name (eg unofficial spins). I think, personally, the wallpaper would look a lot nicer without the Fedora logo. It looks like something I might like to use as my own wallpaper, actually, if it didn't have the logo superimposed on it. :) I like how the wood gives the wallpaper a natural feel and how the lighting suggests a stage. Did you use a texture/pattern to create it? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 wood wallpaper
Thomas Kole wrote: No comments about mine? =( (http://dilopho-dd.deviantart.com/art/Fedora-wood-wallpaper-v2-116975355) ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Looks a lot like this wallpaper, hardwood lights: http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2hl=ensafe=offq=hardwood+lightssa=Nstart=0ndsp=21 Seems it's already a common idea. +1 on Mo's comments. Additionally, the big logo across the middle looks like it's just there to force relevance to Fedora, rather than actually being related in some conceptual sense to the OS or the theme Leonidas. Intrusive and/or large text is typically a no-no when it comes to wallpaper design. -- Justin Fuhrer ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: f11 wood wallpaper
I'm missing a wood texture. And it looks good! i just doubt that it would be a good fedora in generic wallpaper that is enabled by default. 2009/3/23 Thomas Kole diloph...@gmail.com: i made an extra wallpaper. i hope you like it! http://dilopho-dd.deviantart.com/art/F11-wood-wallaper-116861603 ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: f11 wood wallpaper
Mark wrote: I'm missing a wood texture. And it looks good! i just doubt that it would be a good fedora in generic wallpaper that is enabled by default. 2009/3/23 Thomas Kole diloph...@gmail.com: i made an extra wallpaper. i hope you like it! http://dilopho-dd.deviantart.com/art/F11-wood-wallaper-116861603 Thanks! Here is an update: http://dilopho-dd.deviantart.com/art/Fedora-wood-wallpaper-v2-116975355 ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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i made an extra wallpaper. i hope you like it! http://dilopho-dd.deviantart.com/art/F11-wood-wallaper-116861603 ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
Máirín Duffy wrote: Based on some feedback we've gotten about the beta wallpaper, I have a couple of approaches to suggest for moving forward, let me know which you think is the better approach: This morning I had the time to think a bit about changing directions: possibly this will make Paul nervous and it may put some deadlines in danger, but before committing to a radical change, I think it would be useful to see the post-beta feedback from a larger mass the users: the first wave of reviews, blogs and forum talks (the perception setters). We all here, supporters or critics, are pretty much subjectively involved and I think a breath of fresh air from the outside is valuable. What I said above is not to be read as stop the development, just as keep all the options open. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 09:49 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: What I said above is not to be read as stop the development, just as keep all the options open. +1 :) Luca -- Today is Sweetmorn, the 3rd day of Discord in the YOLD 3175 A penny saved is a penny to squander. -- Ambrose Bierce ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
- Original Message From: Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro To: Fedora Art List fedora-art-list@redhat.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:49:51 AM Subject: Re: new direction for the wallpaper Máirín Duffy wrote: Based on some feedback we've gotten about the beta wallpaper, I have a couple of approaches to suggest for moving forward, let me know which you think is the better approach: This morning I had the time to think a bit about changing directions: possibly this will make Paul nervous and it may put some deadlines in danger, but before committing to a radical change, I think it would be useful to see the post-beta feedback from a larger mass the users: the first wave of reviews, blogs and forum talks (the perception setters). We all here, supporters or critics, are pretty much subjectively involved and I think a breath of fresh air from the outside is valuable. What I said above is not to be read as stop the development, just as keep all the options open. I think if more folks are willing to step up and commit to making it happen, it would be great for us to be able to change direction in response to the feedback we get. We do have to keep an eye on the schedule though. Right now I'm a little bit nervous about the manpower we have going into the wallpaper as I've already needed to put in a couple of late nights. :( ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper - NEW FOLKS TOO!
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 04:58:30AM -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: - Original Message From: Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro To: Fedora Art List fedora-art-list@redhat.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:49:51 AM Subject: Re: new direction for the wallpaper Máirín Duffy wrote: Based on some feedback we've gotten about the beta wallpaper, I have a couple of approaches to suggest for moving forward, let me know which you think is the better approach: This morning I had the time to think a bit about changing directions: possibly this will make Paul nervous and it may put some deadlines in danger, but before committing to a radical change, I think it would be useful to see the post-beta feedback from a larger mass the users: the first wave of reviews, blogs and forum talks (the perception setters). We all here, supporters or critics, are pretty much subjectively involved and I think a breath of fresh air from the outside is valuable. What I said above is not to be read as stop the development, just as keep all the options open. I think if more folks are willing to step up and commit to making it happen, it would be great for us to be able to change direction in response to the feedback we get. We do have to keep an eye on the schedule though. Right now I'm a little bit nervous about the manpower we have going into the wallpaper as I've already needed to put in a couple of late nights. :( I think the Artwork team should be empowered to change direction if needed. The point of having a wallpaper release in the Beta was to encourage more feedback. If the team doesn't feel it can act on that feedback, it would be silly to bother in the first place! :-) As far as the schedule goes, I see it as an organic process that we try to improve and tune with each release. If it doesn't work perfectly this release, we will try to capture the problems and resolve them with a better attempt for the F12 schedule. Mo is right, we do need people to commit to helping with any changes proposed. It's great to have ideas coming in, and we should simply ask that the changes be backed up by a person agreeing to execute them, or that the Artwork team agree to make a decision by a specific date on which changes they'll accept and work on. How do you guys feel about a simple task list on the wiki by which artists could claim a task? That might make it easier to see what's left to do, and make progress. If all the work looks like it will land on one artist, maybe because people don't know what they can step up to do, it's far less likely to get done -- or at least, it will be very painful for that person when it does! It seems like we've had quite a number of people come by the list recently offering to learn and help, and this is a good occasion for them to do so. It's relatively easy to take some existing art from a background and make, say, a single banner with specific dimensions. (At least, it seems easy to me, even though I'm not an artist!) :-) If each person taking a task (1) feels responsible for getting that task done, (2) knows exactly what is needed to finish it, and (3) knows when it's due, I suspect we have enough talented artists here to get everything done. It's *so* much easier for ten people to put in two hours of work each, than for two people to put in ten hours each. And as others have said before, it's also easier for experienced folks to fine-tune a particular task, than to do the whole thing from scratch. And asking for help is always encouraged here! It looks like there is a very complete set of instructions already on the Artwork team's wiki area, which would help form the task list (along with the bullet list of different splashes and banners): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemingOverview Do team members think we can get all the other art done in time for the Fedora 11 Preview Release? That might mean a tight schedule, since I think all the freeze stuff for F11 Preview happens around April 14, a little less than a month from now. But I think it can be done if we can put a plan in place quickly, first for deciding and making changes to the background however the Artwork team feels is required, then tasking out the rest of the theme and getting those pieces done. The last thing on my mind is being schedule-pushy as the FPL. The Artwork team has long expressed the desire to get Artwork done sooner, so I'm just trying to bring that historical perspective. I think people are doing a great job already, and I really feel there's enough momentum to do a superb F11 Preview with full artwork. Let's make it easy for people to grab a small piece of work and own it. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs
Re: new direction for the wallpaper - NEW FOLKS TOO!
Paul W. Frields wrote: I think the Artwork team should be empowered to change direction if needed. The point of having a wallpaper release in the Beta was to encourage more feedback. If the team doesn't feel it can act on that feedback, it would be silly to bother in the first place! :-) As far as the schedule goes, I see it as an organic process that we try to improve and tune with each release. If it doesn't work perfectly this release, we will try to capture the problems and resolve them with a better attempt for the F12 schedule. Mo is right, we do need people to commit to helping with any changes proposed. It's great to have ideas coming in, and we should simply ask that the changes be backed up by a person agreeing to execute them, or that the Artwork team agree to make a decision by a specific date on which changes they'll accept and work on. I am leaning towards an enhancement on what we have in Beta instead of changing the direction, but I need to see the reactions once it is in the wild (I am often proved wrong). How do you guys feel about a simple task list on the wiki by which artists could claim a task? That might make it easier to see what's left to do, and make progress. If all the work looks like it will land on one artist, maybe because people don't know what they can step up to do, it's far less likely to get done -- or at least, it will be very painful for that person when it does! It seems like we've had quite a number of people come by the list recently offering to learn and help, and this is a good occasion for them to do so. It's relatively easy to take some existing art from a background and make, say, a single banner with specific dimensions. (At least, it seems easy to me, even though I'm not an artist!) :-) The list is quite clear, it may be a copy/paste of your previous email or a simplification of the ThemingOverview page. But those tasks are blocking on the main wallpaper, since they will be a derivative of it. Or do you talk about a list of tasks for helping with the wallpaper, like finding source photos and such? It looks like there is a very complete set of instructions already on the Artwork team's wiki area, which would help form the task list (along with the bullet list of different splashes and banners): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemingOverview Yes, that is the reference, it is slightly outdated but is our best reference. Do team members think we can get all the other art done in time for the Fedora 11 Preview Release? That might mean a tight schedule, since I think all the freeze stuff for F11 Preview happens around April 14, a little less than a month from now. But I think it can be done if we can put a plan in place quickly, first for deciding and making changes to the background however the Artwork team feels is required, then tasking out the rest of the theme and getting those pieces done. I think it will be an interesting experience: until now we had abstract graphics, so it was easier to make things like Anaconda banners by just moving the elements in Inkscape, with photorealistic images I am not sure what's the best: different photos, heavy photomanipulation or just clever cropping. The last thing on my mind is being schedule-pushy as the FPL. The Artwork team has long expressed the desire to get Artwork done sooner, so I'm just trying to bring that historical perspective. I think people are doing a great job already, and I really feel there's enough momentum to do a superb F11 Preview with full artwork. Let's make it easy for people to grab a small piece of work and own it. We need someone to keep us with our feet on earth and remind about mundane things such as schedule... :p -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
Máirín Duffy wrote: Based on some feedback we've gotten about the beta wallpaper, I have a couple of approaches to suggest for moving forward, let me know which you think is the better approach: 1) Islands - I saw the movie Mama Mia this weekend for the first time, and it's a movie based on a pretty Greek island. We did a survey a while back that indicated most people would prefer a landscape-based wallpaper, but maybe instead of going with mountains+temple wallpaper we could try a landscape based on the islands of Greece, e.g. maybe somewhat like this (higher res, and a bit cleaned up, no boat in the water and the land area here is a bit too busy, maybe replace it or clean it up): I don't like this particular photo: - from a compositional point of view, it is correct, with the land at 1/3 of the screen, but id does not tell me anything; - the colors are dull, the land is brown (tan?), not green to show life and the water is too gray. - the resolution of 1600x1200 is not enough. Too bad Smolt is not giving any statistics about display sizes, but I expect a lot of people would need to scale it up. And even viewed at 100%, the photo lack details. If we are going with this approach, I think we may need to search for a better photo. http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnkarakatsanis/3334225599/sizes/l/ (Santorini Island Greece, by John.Karakatsanis CC-BY-SA) 2) Mount Olympus - or instead we could take the temple out of the current wallpaper and focus a bit more wholly on the mountains as the symbol of Greece rather than the temple. We might need to swap Bob's photo out for an actual photo of Mount Olympus in this case though. If we take the temple out, then the result may be a bit to close to the Windows XP default wallpaper but with mountains instead of a hill. Let me know if you have any thoughts, or even better mockups / adequately-licensed reference or source photos . Back when we started talking about landscape photography I did extensive search on Flickr and was not able to find something to like with Mount Olympus -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 19:21 -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: Based on some feedback we've gotten about the beta wallpaper, I have a couple of approaches to suggest for moving forward, let me know which you think is the better approach: 1) Islands - I saw the movie Mama Mia this weekend for the first time, and it's a movie based on a pretty Greek island. We did a survey a while back that indicated most people would prefer a landscape-based wallpaper, but maybe instead of going with mountains+temple wallpaper we could try a landscape based on the islands of Greece, e.g. maybe somewhat like this (higher res, and a bit cleaned up, no boat in the water and the land area here is a bit too busy, maybe replace it or clean it up): http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnkarakatsanis/3334225599/sizes/l/ (Santorini Island Greece, by John.Karakatsanis CC-BY-SA) 2) Mount Olympus - or instead we could take the temple out of the current wallpaper and focus a bit more wholly on the mountains as the symbol of Greece rather than the temple. We might need to swap Bob's photo out for an actual photo of Mount Olympus in this case though. Let me know if you have any thoughts, or even better mockups / adequately-licensed reference or source photos . Thanks ~m Hm... I'd say get rid of the trees or make them just complimentary part of the wallpaper, drop the focus away from mountains and instead have it on the temple. As it is now, it's cool and I would not want much of the elements to go away, but as Matthias said, the wallpaper is focusing on too many elements at once. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 09:30:58AM +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 19:21 -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: Based on some feedback we've gotten about the beta wallpaper, I have a couple of approaches to suggest for moving forward, let me know which you think is the better approach: 1) Islands - I saw the movie Mama Mia this weekend for the first time, and it's a movie based on a pretty Greek island. We did a survey a while back that indicated most people would prefer a landscape-based wallpaper, but maybe instead of going with mountains+temple wallpaper we could try a landscape based on the islands of Greece, e.g. maybe somewhat like this (higher res, and a bit cleaned up, no boat in the water and the land area here is a bit too busy, maybe replace it or clean it up): http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnkarakatsanis/3334225599/sizes/l/ (Santorini Island Greece, by John.Karakatsanis CC-BY-SA) 2) Mount Olympus - or instead we could take the temple out of the current wallpaper and focus a bit more wholly on the mountains as the symbol of Greece rather than the temple. We might need to swap Bob's photo out for an actual photo of Mount Olympus in this case though. Let me know if you have any thoughts, or even better mockups / adequately-licensed reference or source photos . Thanks ~m Hm... I'd say get rid of the trees or make them just complimentary part of the wallpaper, drop the focus away from mountains and instead have it on the temple. As it is now, it's cool and I would not want much of the elements to go away, but as Matthias said, the wallpaper is focusing on too many elements at once. That's not a bad idea if the desire is to reduce the number of elements and simplify the background. Maybe losing the birds would be something to consider too. All right, I'll put in a bit of critique here, noting that overall I like the theme and the care which was put into it. I confess, I am one of those people with a messy Desktop in the computer sense. (OK, you caught me, I have a messy desk in the real-life sense too. Oh, the shame!) So I tend to hit problems with icons and/or their labels clashing with backgrounds easily. But I wouldn't put myself out there as an average user, because I suspect many people keep an emptier Desktop than I do. I found that in my use case, the following elements tend to make it more difficult to discern text labels on icons: (1) birds, (2) the particular coloration and brightness of the sky, especially around the middle third of the picture. Interestingly, toward the bottom third of the picture, even though that is where some people complain about clutter, this problem goes away completely -- probably because the picture's quite darker there, so the white text of the icon labels shows up easier. To be fair, this could also indicate that I need more or better shadowing on icon text, so that it shows up well even on a medium-bright background area. That's not the Artwork team's problem AFAICT, but I don't know an easy way of adjusting it. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpgiIoxnGElS.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
- Original Message From: Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com Hm... I'd say get rid of the trees or make them just complimentary part of the wallpaper, drop the focus away from mountains and instead have it on the temple. As it is now, it's cool and I would not want much of the elements to go away, but as Matthias said, the wallpaper is focusing on too many elements at once. This feedback is really useful. I'm a little disappointed that I didn't see any feedback like this on the list when the wallpaper was first posted over a week ago. (Did I simply miss it?) I am wondering what we should be doing in order to get this feedback in a more timely manner so we have more time to take it into account. Also, I just wanted to make it really clear that if anyone has the time to step in and help out with the wallpaper it would be very deeply appreciated. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
sorry to bother ... but i'm a bit confused now ... what are the final key elements for the beckground now? P.S: i am willing to give a shot on helping with the design (if i have an idea about what we are aiming for). ~hish 2009/3/16 Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com - Original Message From: Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com Hm... I'd say get rid of the trees or make them just complimentary part of the wallpaper, drop the focus away from mountains and instead have it on the temple. As it is now, it's cool and I would not want much of the elements to go away, but as Matthias said, the wallpaper is focusing on too many elements at once. This feedback is really useful. I'm a little disappointed that I didn't see any feedback like this on the list when the wallpaper was first posted over a week ago. (Did I simply miss it?) I am wondering what we should be doing in order to get this feedback in a more timely manner so we have more time to take it into account. Also, I just wanted to make it really clear that if anyone has the time to step in and help out with the wallpaper it would be very deeply appreciated. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
Hi Hish! what are the final key elements for the beckground now? P.S: i am willing to give a shot on helping with the design (if i have an idea about what we are aiming for). Great to hear from you! I'm not sure what the final elements should be. It does seem we have too many, though - my suggestion would be: - field - mountains - clouds Any other elements should be removed for the next iteration, and the mountains should probably be the center of attention / main focus, the fields and clouds playing a supporting role. What do you think? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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hi mo ^_^ k .. got the idea .. will c wt i can do .. regards. ~hish 2009/3/16 Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com Hi Hish! what are the final key elements for the beckground now? P.S: i am willing to give a shot on helping with the design (if i have an idea about what we are aiming for). Great to hear from you! I'm not sure what the final elements should be. It does seem we have too many, though - my suggestion would be: - field - mountains - clouds Any other elements should be removed for the next iteration, and the mountains should probably be the center of attention / main focus, the fields and clouds playing a supporting role. What do you think? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Eng. Hisham Isam M. Abdel-Magid Civil Infrastructures Engineer Dar Al-Handasah Consultants (Shair and Partners) P.O.Box: 40358 Mobile: +974 5042547 - +974 5543080 E.mail: hisham.abdelma...@dargroup.com Websites: www.dargroup.com - www.thepearlqatar.com Fedora Ambassador in Sudan and Qatar, E.mail: hi...@fedoraproject.org wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Himam ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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- Original Message From: Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com Blame Matthias -- if it were not for him pointing it out, I wouldn't probably come to this conclusion all by myself. His critique made me think about it and you've read the result :-D Okay great. So all I need to do is send unintentionally offensive funny emails to start a controversy, and suddenly the feedback will pour in. I'm not sure I'm going to be up for that again, though. :( ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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exactly what kind of help? For some reason I'm not able to find the thread that you're replying to, but if you are interested in helping out with the wallpaper we can use: 1 - detailed critique 2 - help in sourcing appropriately-licensed reference and source photographs (CC-BY, CC-BY-SA, public domain, GNU documentation license are all acceptable licenses) 3 - help in iterating the wallpaper (the files are at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11) ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 11:25 -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: - Original Message From: Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com Blame Matthias -- if it were not for him pointing it out, I wouldn't probably come to this conclusion all by myself. His critique made me think about it and you've read the result :-D Okay great. So all I need to do is send unintentionally offensive funny emails to start a controversy, and suddenly the feedback will pour in. I'm not sure I'm going to be up for that again, though. :( Not sure this was needed... But having it in release definitely helps a lot. Naturally, we cannot see everything ourselves, but the feedback from people outside of the Art Team can be the push (like with Matthias). I hope more mails will pour in after the Beta is released to public ;-) Come to think of it, it would be really great to have it in Alpha already, but seeing how we are always late with schedule (note that I'm also at fault here for not helping with the actual art)... But I think the new process of creating the art also contributed a bit to us not being exactly fastest this release... I'm sure next release will be better (unless we change the process again). Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 08:38:44PM +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 11:25 -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: - Original Message From: Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com Blame Matthias -- if it were not for him pointing it out, I wouldn't probably come to this conclusion all by myself. His critique made me think about it and you've read the result :-D Okay great. So all I need to do is send unintentionally offensive funny emails to start a controversy, and suddenly the feedback will pour in. I'm not sure I'm going to be up for that again, though. :( Not sure this was needed... But having it in release definitely helps a lot. Naturally, we cannot see everything ourselves, but the feedback from people outside of the Art Team can be the push (like with Matthias). I hope more mails will pour in after the Beta is released to public ;-) Come to think of it, it would be really great to have it in Alpha already, but seeing how we are always late with schedule (note that I'm also at fault here for not helping with the actual art)... But I think the new process of creating the art also contributed a bit to us not being exactly fastest this release... I'm sure next release will be better (unless we change the process again). Actually, from what I could see release-over-release, this time around the Artwork team has done its best job ever of meeting a self-imposed schedule, including having a theme iterated during the early part of the cycle, producing promo Alpha and Beta banners for the web site, soliciting backgrounds, and getting one included in the Beta release. I think this team's doing a spectacular job. Nevertheless, more hands are good, and I encourage you to get involved as much as you can! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpTRQPZwXnYU.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
Máirín Duffy wrote: Based on some feedback we've gotten about the beta wallpaper, I have a couple of approaches to suggest for moving forward, let me know which you think is the better approach: 1) Islands - I saw the movie Mama Mia this weekend for the first time, and it's a movie based on a pretty Greek island. We did a survey a while back that indicated most people would prefer a landscape-based wallpaper, but maybe instead of going with mountains+temple wallpaper we could try a landscape based on the islands of Greece, e.g. maybe somewhat like this (higher res, and a bit cleaned up, no boat in the water and the land area here is a bit too busy, maybe replace it or clean it up): http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnkarakatsanis/3334225599/sizes/l/ (Santorini Island Greece, by John.Karakatsanis CC-BY-SA) 2) Mount Olympus - or instead we could take the temple out of the current wallpaper and focus a bit more wholly on the mountains as the symbol of Greece rather than the temple. We might need to swap Bob's photo out for an actual photo of Mount Olympus in this case though. Let me know if you have any thoughts, or even better mockups / adequately-licensed reference or source photos . Thanks ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Hello all, newbie to fedora-art-list here. :) I don't currently have any time on my hands to contribute any mock-ups or artwork, unfortunately. In the meantime, I wanted to offer constructive criticism and ideas. Following the current thread, I think that the direction of going for a landscape/photo-realistic wallpaper is going to be prohibitively difficult. I foresee problems with the wallpaper clashing with desktop icons due to the amount of detail required by a landscape. It will also be difficult to reconcile this theme with the, likely, more benign overall Fedora theme/icons/details. I think Fedora 7's theme is as close as anyone could really get to a highly detailed, yet not obstructive, theme. To suggest (another) alternative direction, has anyone explored employing a more subtle reference to Greek culture? I think there should be a lot of resources to pull from in this line of thought - there are many patterns/themes that could be built upon from Greek culture, for example: http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2hl=ensafe=offq=greek+patternbtnG=Search+Images Using such patterns as a guideline, it could be possible for someone to come up with a more abstract-style wallpaper (a la Fedora 8) that, while not necessarily beating the user over the head with Greek culture, could still subtly carry the Leonidas/Greek reference/theme/inspiration. I have some ideas of what this might look like, but as I said, no time. :( Anyway, good luck in your efforts and I look forward to the finished product! I will try to offer criticism/opinions/ideas whenever possible. -- Justin Fuhrer ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
2009/3/16 Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com: Okay great. So all I need to do is send unintentionally offensive funny emails to start a controversy, and suddenly the feedback will pour in. I'm not sure I'm going to be up for that again, though. That sounds like a job for me. -jef ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
new direction for the wallpaper
Based on some feedback we've gotten about the beta wallpaper, I have a couple of approaches to suggest for moving forward, let me know which you think is the better approach: 1) Islands - I saw the movie Mama Mia this weekend for the first time, and it's a movie based on a pretty Greek island. We did a survey a while back that indicated most people would prefer a landscape-based wallpaper, but maybe instead of going with mountains+temple wallpaper we could try a landscape based on the islands of Greece, e.g. maybe somewhat like this (higher res, and a bit cleaned up, no boat in the water and the land area here is a bit too busy, maybe replace it or clean it up): http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnkarakatsanis/3334225599/sizes/l/ (Santorini Island Greece, by John.Karakatsanis CC-BY-SA) 2) Mount Olympus - or instead we could take the temple out of the current wallpaper and focus a bit more wholly on the mountains as the symbol of Greece rather than the temple. We might need to swap Bob's photo out for an actual photo of Mount Olympus in this case though. Let me know if you have any thoughts, or even better mockups / adequately-licensed reference or source photos . Thanks ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper for Beta?
Hey Nicu~ - Original Message From: Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro There are a few things I am not happy about, like the grass not being green enough and the sky being more cyan than blue, but there is time for those after the Beta. It started out a lot more green cyan (see Mola's original mockup, bottom here: http://mola.fedorapeople.org/gimp/view/) But trying that as a wallpaper, it was way too intense and contrasty / distracting for a wallpaper. :( ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper for Beta?
On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 21:35 -0800, Máirín Duffy wrote: This is what I've got https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Artwork#Beta_Mockups It's not perfect, but it's something what do you think? ~m Hi Mo, I've put them to a rpm package [1]. I'll submit it for inclusion in fedora later if you find it good. Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/packages/rawhide/noarch/leonidas-backgrounds-10.92.0-1.fc11.noarch.rpm signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper for Beta?
Hey Nicu! - Original Message From: Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro I tried a quick trick starting from one of Mola's images (attached): decreased the saturation and increased the lightness a bit, the colors are closer to what I have in mind (but I should have applied the lightness/saturation operation separately to the grass and sky). Would you mind applying those changes to the newer mockup I posted to the wiki last night? The reason I ask is because Mola's mockup has brushes that don't have an explicit license so I had to redo parts of the image. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper for Beta?
On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 03:05:48PM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: The hard reality is an wallpaper like this will be inevitably compared with the default Windows XP wallpaper, which had set a standard in people's minds: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Windows_XP_SP3.png Interesting that you mention this, because looking at a couple of the beta releases for Windows 7, I notice they've gone for a wallpaper that looks *really* close to the Fedora 9 default wallpaper: http://www.askvg.com/download-windows-7-official-wallpaper-shown-at-pdc-2008/ http://www.askvg.com/download-windows-7-beta-build-6936-default-desktop-wallpaper/ I suppose one could take the position that if Microsoft does it, it's bad, but we should recognize they have a lot of money to spend on design, and they've come up with something very close to what you, the Fedora Artwork team, did in the past year with free tools and open processes. That speaks volumes for this team in my opinion. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgp0GzBnVfuDN.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper for Beta?
On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 09:35:52PM -0800, Máirín Duffy wrote: From: Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com When is the decision going to be made about which one goes in the Beta? This is what I've got https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Artwork#Beta_Mockups It's not perfect, but it's something what do you think? WANT. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpdR7YE0ZnV1.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper for Beta?
Máirín Duffy wrote: Would you mind applying those changes to the newer mockup I posted to the wiki last night? I can't apply the same changes sing the image is different, but I tried something: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Artwork_F11_Betamockup1_n.jpg https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Artwork_F11_Betamockup1_n.xcf.bz2 Personally I like a bit better this way: the color adjustment layer was removes since it made the sky more cyan and the color balance for the background was altered to reduce the cyan more. Also the Cliff overlay layer was removed and the color balance of the Cliff - Base was altered to make it greener. But I am not entirely happy with what I did... -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Wallpaper for Beta?
With all the energy on the list, I thought it would be an opportune time to mention that there is an open issue of wallpaper. There are several options on the table from different contributors. A few are ineligible for specific reasons but there are plenty that are interesting and quite good. When is the decision going to be made about which one goes in the Beta? We are a little past that deadline if the wallpaper is to get into the Beta spin as was originally intended, but it *can* still happen. I suggest deciding on a candidate by tomorrow. If the design isn't perfect there is still time to tweak it as we move toward the Preview Release and the other collateral designs are made. Once that's done, are there multiple people who can work on creating the various other banners and art from that design? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpu6eWIsLjmb.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper for Beta?
2009/3/5 Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com Once that's done, are there multiple people who can work on creating the various other banners and art from that design? I think that latest Mo's Mockups are best candidates for the F11 wallpaper. Personally, I can help to provide release banners for the beta and, in the future, for the final version (including countdown). -- Paolo Leoni ~ http://pleoni.altervista.org ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper for Beta?
- Original Message From: Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com When is the decision going to be made about which one goes in the Beta? This is what I've got https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Artwork#Beta_Mockups It's not perfect, but it's something what do you think? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper for Beta?
Máirín Duffy wrote: From: Paul W. Frields When is the decision going to be made about which one goes in the Beta? This is what I've got https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Artwork#Beta_Mockups It's not perfect, but it's something what do you think? I think we can go with one of those for beta, my option would be for on *with* a temple (Betamockup1_wide_right.png). There are a few things I am not happy about, like the grass not being green enough and the sky being more cyan than blue, but there is time for those after the Beta. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper?
Hi all, I work on greek-concept and you can see my ouyput here : http://mola.fedorapeople.org/gimp/view/ total 15 pictures ( 13 picture is new work ) Mola ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper?
Hi All I've uploaded a new proposal for the Greek theme on the wiki https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Leonidas_sstorari_mo1_1920x1200.png The Ideas behind this mockup are: 1) a connection between past (helmet, Shield Spear) and a connection with our time or the future made by the transistors on the back. 2) The Spear is rotated and take the position of the 11 o clock as the release number 3) The basic RED of the Spartan color now turned in to a Fedora Blu, you can see it in the helmet in the triangle of the shield. I need some help for the background, my purpose it's to reproduce an Hi-tech BG with some transistor and a Printed circuit board can someone help me? Samuele - Original Message - From: Mola pahnadayan mola...@gmail.com To: Fedora Art List fedora-art-list@redhat.com Sent: Monday, 2 March, 2009 11:22:31 AM GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna Subject: Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper? Hi all, I work on greek-concept and you can see my ouyput here : http://mola.fedorapeople.org/gimp/view/ total 15 pictures ( 13 picture is new work ) Mola ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper?
Samuele Storari wrote: I've uploaded a new proposal for the Greek theme on the wiki https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Leonidas_sstorari_mo1_1920x1200.png The Ideas behind this mockup are: 1) a connection between past (helmet, Shield Spear) and a connection with our time or the future made by the transistors on the back. 2) The Spear is rotated and take the position of the 11 o clock as the release number 3) The basic RED of the Spartan color now turned in to a Fedora Blu, you can see it in the helmet in the triangle of the shield. I thought we reached a consensus about going with a photographic landscape... I need some help for the background, my purpose it's to reproduce an Hi-tech BG with some transistor and a Printed circuit board can someone help me? You want something like this http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dg-pcb.jpg ? You can also open the case of your computer and take a photo. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper?
Hi Mola! - Original Message From: Mola pahnadayan mola...@gmail.com I work on greek-concept and you can see my ouyput here : http://mola.fedorapeople.org/gimp/view/ These are fabulous! I have only one concern - do you have references for the new photo sources you pulled in? (Eg the birds and the fireworks for example.) We can't use any of the new ones unless we know what photos you used and their license, etc. Do you have the XCFs for any of these? I'm particularly interested in the very last one. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper?
Hi a bit late perhaps but I thought of something that may make an interesting background - since you mentioned photographic landscape. I saw an article on tilt-shift photography, where special lenses are used to modify perspective and depth-of-field giving an uncanny model photography effect. This effect can also be faked in CGI rendering. Here's the article, http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/11/16/beautiful-examples-of-tilt-shift-photography/ There are several sports stadiums (I imagined an amphitheatre) also some Italian landscapes bearing some similarity to the nearby Greek. I thought the large expanses of blurred areas created by the effect would be a good non-distracting background for icons. As to getting any usable images - I can't help but I thought it might inspire someone more artistically inclined :) -Cam ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper?
Hisham Abdel-Magid wrote: hello all ^_^ i have a small Q ... why the use of 4070 x 1267 resolution? (i hope this is not a square zero type of Qs). It looks like that exact size is arbitrary, but the intention is to have an image for a dual wide screen (the most extreme case, everything else can be cropped from it). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper?
i c ^_^ thnx Nicu ~hish On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.rowrote: Hisham Abdel-Magid wrote: hello all ^_^ i have a small Q ... why the use of 4070 x 1267 resolution? (i hope this is not a square zero type of Qs). It looks like that exact size is arbitrary, but the intention is to have an image for a dual wide screen (the most extreme case, everything else can be cropped from it). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper?
Máirín Duffy wrote: Do you have any ideas on how we can integrate Greek columns into it? I think you were on the right track when originally requesting either the top or bottom of the pillar. If we have the columns like in the mockup, starting from outside of the image and ending also outside the image, is quite obvious they are not integrated in the image and were added with GIMP. For a good integration they should have a little distance from the viewing plane to see how they stay in the ground. Maybe have some temple in the hills across the water? That could work. We would have to take care about the mist: the hills are blurry due to the distance, so we will have to apply some blur to the temple too. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper?
Michael Beckwith wrote: I think it'd be cool, at the details stage, if we could perhaps have some light cast in between some of the columns, and perhaps change the angle as time goes by. Unfortunately, we are in GIMP, doing 2D raster operations... what you say would be relatively easy to do in 3D graphics, but not so in our case: casting light will create shadows, changing the light angle will change the size and direction of the shadows... I have no idea how to do this in 2D. Also look at the columns: they have a lighted side and a shadowed side. The light direction and intensity is pretty much fixed, otherwise we are going dangerously close to http://photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com/ -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper?
Hey Nicu, - Original Message From: Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro That could work. We would have to take care about the mist: the hills are blurry due to the distance, so we will have to apply some blur to the temple too. I did two more. I took out the large framing column because neither the top or bottom was in great shape. I might spend some time fixing up the bottom of the column and add it back though. Instead I swapped in a temple image I've been working with: http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/8/8d/Artwork_F11_greek-concept_mockup4_mo.png ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper?
Máirín Duffy wrote: I did two more. I took out the large framing column because neither the top or bottom was in great shape. I might spend some time fixing up the bottom of the column and add it back though. Instead I swapped in a temple image I've been working with: http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/8/8d/Artwork_F11_greek-concept_mockup4_mo.png I am inclined more towards https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/3/3e/Artwork_F11_greek-concept_mockup5_mo.png since I am not very happy with the look of the village/farms/houses across the water in mockup4_mo. I am sorry, I wish I was more active today with this, but I had a killer day with a lot of annoying *must do* work. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper?
- Original Message From: Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/8/8d/Artwork_F11_greek-concept_mockup4_mo.png Whoops, hit enter before I was done, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Artwork_F11_greek-concept_mockup5_mo.png ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper?
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 07:12:43AM -0800, Máirín Duffy wrote: - Original Message From: Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/8/8d/Artwork_F11_greek-concept_mockup4_mo.png Whoops, hit enter before I was done, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Artwork_F11_greek-concept_mockup5_mo.png I like the placement and general balance... Also, keeping any detail objects on the right side seems to support the setup for most Fedora desktop environments. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpzeVpQkF1dW.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper? AND a short hello to everyone!
Hey, i just searched through my photos and found some pieces of work that could be useful. Most of them are those dramatic skies you were looking for. License.txt -file is also packed in, for further questions or so just mail me. You can find the file on my webspace - ca. 19 MB compressed folder. http://www.schnorchelkatze.ist-stylish.de/Skies_for_Fedora_11_by_krzzzt.tar.bz2 Now the thing i should have said a week before i guess... Hello, i'm Justus Holzberger from Germany. I'm a happy Fedora-user and want to share my talents with the fedora-project. I do photography and work also with Blender and Gimp - even want to study arts, so i think i should just fit fine into the artwork-team of fedora. For my Portfolio take a look at http://www.krzzzt.deviantart.com and fon't forget to look into the scrapbook - i'm one of the rare people who use it. I'm glad to help if i can! Justus Hey folks, So the clock is ticking and we don't have much time to make F11 beta. I would like to try to take the wallpaper base artwork that I put together [1] and add some elements to it to match Luya's sketch [2]. (Although I'm not 100% sure the vase in the composition will work but we can certainly try it.) Since there's not so much time, I was wondering if folks would be willing to help out with this. We need some good, clear, high-resolution, and openly-licensed [3] source photos for this composition. Here's what we need: A) Greek columns, high-res, including either the top or bottom of the pillar, straight-on / dead-on perspective, no angles. B) A photo of a lake or body of water, with as clean a horizon as possible (eg., if there's only sky above the water, perfect, or a flat color above the water ,perfect. If there's a lot of different colors above the water's surface like trees etc, it will be too hard to work with.) The photo should be mostly water. E.g., something like: http://flickr.com/photos/rashid4u/2885932926/ (NOTE: this one isn't the right license so we can't use it) C) A Spartan boat (see Luya's picture for the type), preferably shot from above so the camera is looking down on the boat D) Clouds - a nice clean shot of some dramatic clouds E) Olive trees, a full tree without much noise behind the branches and leaves so it can be cut out cleanly. Flat/level perspective preferred, but a from below perspective or from above perspective could be useful too. F) Vase (see Luya's sketch) For each photo you find, write down: 1) the URL you got it at 2) what license it is under 3) the author of the photo 4) if the photo isn't up somewhere online (eg from your personal or a friend's collection), upload it to the wiki and provide that url. Thanks in advance to any of y'all who are interested in helping out :) For an extra incentive, I'll ship out a packet of Fedora stickers and some other goodies to the person who sends in the greatest number high-quality and usable photos. ~m [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Artwork_F11_greek-concept_mockup2_mo.png [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Sketch_greek_field.png [3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#Good_Licenses_3 *MUST* be one of these licenses or public domain ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper?
Hey Nicu! - Original Message From: Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro I am not that happy on the columns positioning and with them going all the screen, from top to bottom. Do you have any ideas on how we can integrate Greek columns into it? Maybe have some temple in the hills across the water? (PS I think Brian's latest blue starfield for the night version would work well for this) I don't think this is going to work: if we put a dark sky and just change the colors for the ground, I expect the result will be unnatural, looking like a fake. Did you see the mockup Paolo did? I think the coloring was right, definitely a lot of polish needed, but... I don't know. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper?
� wrote: Hey Nicu! - Original Message From: Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro I am not that happy on the columns positioning and with them going all the screen, from top to bottom. Do you have any ideas on how we can integrate Greek columns into it? Maybe have some temple in the hills across the water? (PS I think Brian's latest blue starfield for the night version would work well for this) I don't think this is going to work: if we put a dark sky and just change the colors for the ground, I expect the result will be unnatural, looking like a fake. Did you see the mockup Paolo did? I think the coloring was right, definitely a lot of polish needed, but... I don't know. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list I think it'd be cool, at the details stage, if we could perhaps have some light cast in between some of the columns, and perhaps change the angle as time goes by. -- ~Michael http://michaelbox.net ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper?
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 08:54:20AM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: BTW, how did you generate your gallery? It looks great. I used a less known gem: gThumb and Create Index Image (under it's Tools menu) and tweaked a bit the parameters (background color, font face and size). Holy moley, I never knew this function was there. Thanks Nicu! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpz93ATMVM0I.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper?
https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/0/00/Artwork_F11_greek-concept_mockup3_mo.png XCF: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/c/c3/Artwork_F11_greek-concept_mockup23_mo.xcf (warning, ~70MB) It's a very quick/sloppy copy/paste job. I healed the columns a little bit so they look less crumbled than in Bob's original photo, but could push it more if we decide this is a good direction to go. (Same with the mountain/clouds/sky boundary and the water.) A lot of polish work would need to be applied, but I don't think we should make the time investment unless folks think this is the right direction. So what do *you* think? (PS I think Brian's latest blue starfield for the night version would work well for this) ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper?
2009/2/25 Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com So what do *you* think? I think that this *is* the idea for F11 artwork. (PS I think Brian's latest blue starfield for the night version would work well for this) I agree with using of Brian's starfiled in a night version. I've in my mind four version of the background: morning/sunrise, day, afternoon/sunset, night. Day version with the Sun and night version with the Moon. It could be possible to realize? http://pleoni.altervista.org p.s: sorry if you have received a double copy of this email. -- Paolo Leoni ~ http://pleoni.altervista.org ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper?
Hi Paolo, I agree with using of Brian's starfiled in a night version. I've in my mind four version of the background: morning/sunrise, day, afternoon/sunset, night. Day version with the Sun and night version with the Moon. It could be possible to realize? That sounds great! I'm going to work on polishing this daytime version first. However, I've done the XCF in layers, so if someone else wanted to take Brian's starfield and find a pretty moon to layer on top (I have some Gimp moon brushes I made with public domain NASA art here http://pookstar.deviantart.com/art/Moon-Brushes-99087754) for the night version, then it could easily be swapped in for the daytime sky. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper?
2009/2/25 Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com So what do *you* think? I think that this *is* the idea for F11 artwork. (PS I think Brian's latest blue starfield for the night version would work well for this) I think that this *is* the idea for F11 artwork. I agree with using of Brian's starfiled in a night version. I've in my mind four version of the background: morning/sunrise, day, afternoon/sunset, night. Day version with the Sun and night version with the Moon. It could be possible to realize? -- Paolo Leoni ~ http://pleoni.altervista.org ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper?
2009/2/25 Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com I have some Gimp moon brushes I made with public domain NASA art here http://pookstar.deviantart.com/art/Moon-Brushes-99087754 These moons are greats! I've made a draft for the night version: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Artwork_F11_greek-concept_mockup23_mo_night.png I've tried to rendering the blue light effect of the moon on the columns and on the landscape...this is, more or less, my idea for the night version. -- Paolo Leoni ~ http://pleoni.altervista.org ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper?
Máirín Duffy wrote: It's a very quick/sloppy copy/paste job. I healed the columns a little bit so they look less crumbled than in Bob's original photo, but could push it more if we decide this is a good direction to go. (Same with the mountain/clouds/sky boundary and the water.) I am not that happy on the columns positioning and with them going all the screen, from top to bottom. A lot of polish work would need to be applied, but I don't think we should make the time investment unless folks think this is the right direction. So what do *you* think? It appears to be our best solution so far and something completely different from what we had in the past. We are taking a huge bet here, a lot of our users will be happy with the change and a lot will be unhappy (but I have no idea which camp will be bigger in numbers). And yes, *a lot* of polish will be needed. (PS I think Brian's latest blue starfield for the night version would work well for this) I don't think this is going to work: if we put a dark sky and just change the colors for the ground, I expect the result will be unnatural, looking like a fake. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper?
Máirín Duffy wrote: So the clock is ticking and we don't have much time to make F11 beta. I would like to try to take the wallpaper base artwork that I put together [1] and add some elements to it to match Luya's sketch [2]. (Although I'm not 100% sure the vase in the composition will work but we can certainly try it.) Since there's not so much time, I was wondering if folks would be willing to help out with this. We need some good, clear, high-resolution, and openly-licensed [3] source photos for this composition. Here's what we need: See if you can find something useful from my photos: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/f11/ (sorry, I don't have Greek stuff) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: cool *-wallpaper
Justin Fuhrer wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: Hey, I saw this at design shack's latest blog post on designer's workstation: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bartelme/3292776820/ It's kind of a neat concept, it could be used for x monitors since it tiles. Anyhow just thought I'd point it out as a hey coolkind of thing.:) ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list That is a beautiful wallpaper, and the designed to be tiled idea is definitely cool. Hard to imagine how to reconcile that with the Leonidas theme, though. Another source of wallpaper inspiration: http://www.mandolux.com/archive/index.html -- Colby Alexander Hoke Brand Communications + Design [ Producer ] 919.621.8802 ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper?
Hi Nicu! - Original Message From: Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/f11/ (sorry, I don't have Greek stuff) These are fabulous! I will play with some of these, thanks!!! BTW, how did you generate your gallery? It looks great. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper?
Hi Bob! - Original Message From: Bob Peterson rpete...@redhat.com To: Fedora Art List fedora-art-list@redhat.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:06:27 PM Subject: Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper? - Máirín Duffy wrote: | A) Greek columns, high-res, including either the top or bottom of the | pillar, straight-on / dead-on perspective, no angles. Will this work? I took this. http://www.robertpeterson.org/pict0072.JPG It just might. We don't want to have 'ruins' in the photo, but this is a clear enough photo I think I can touch the columns up so they look new. Thanks!! | D) Clouds - a nice clean shot of some dramatic clouds I previously posted: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Rockies3.JPG Amazing shot, thanks! Keep 'em coming :) ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper?
Máirín Duffy wrote: BTW, how did you generate your gallery? It looks great. I used a less known gem: gThumb and Create Index Image (under it's Tools menu) and tweaked a bit the parameters (background color, font face and size). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
cool *-wallpaper
Hey, I saw this at design shack's latest blog post on designer's workstation: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bartelme/3292776820/ It's kind of a neat concept, it could be used for x monitors since it tiles. Anyhow just thought I'd point it out as a hey coolkind of thing.:) ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: cool *-wallpaper
When i hooked up second (smaller) monitor i found that it's practically impossible to find good tiling wallpapers. I have 1 (one) =( On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Hey, I saw this at design shack's latest blog post on designer's workstation: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bartelme/3292776820/ It's kind of a neat concept, it could be used for x monitors since it tiles. Anyhow just thought I'd point it out as a hey coolkind of thing.:) ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- http://scwlab.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: cool *-wallpaper
Actually, it kind of reminds me an idea I had for Fedora, but instead of the sequence of colors of this wallpaper, we could use #00(cyan) , #000FFF, #FF (both are blue) and #0F (black). That means the 4 Fs and colors very familiar to Fedora. On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 11:09 -0800, Máirín Duffy wrote: Hey, I saw this at design shack's latest blog post on designer's workstation: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bartelme/3292776820/ It's kind of a neat concept, it could be used for x monitors since it tiles. Anyhow just thought I'd point it out as a hey coolkind of thing.:) ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Konstantinos Antonakoglou PGP key: 0xC9E2E16B anton.c...@gmail.com constanton @ Freenode signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
