Re: Hello hello
Evangeline McGlynn wrote: Greetings Fedora Art group, My name is Eve McGlynn and I am hoping to join the Fedora Art group. A little bit about myself: my formal background is in cartography, which focuses a lot more on design than some people realize (though others are suspicious of the technical aspects, so I guess I'm doomed to always justify myself to other folks!). Outside of school though, I've always had my fingers in some sort of creative medium. I currently work for Red Hat as an interaction designer, and am trying to join the Art group to better dig my heels into fedoraland as I will likely occasionally do projects in that realm for work. As far as software is concerned, I work in both the Adobe tools and Inkscape and GIMP. For most projects, I find myself using a pen and paper for most of the early stages, as it's easier for me to think with a pen than a mouse, but I'm nevertheless grateful I was born after the paste-board days of graphic design. I hope this introduction helps you folks. If there's any more you'd like to hear, please let me know! Thanks, eve ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Hi Eve, Firstly Welcome to Fedora-Art-MailingList. Vert Precise Intro..and also a good one. We have different sections to work on. Starting from Creating Icons and Banners to wallpapers and many more.. And Using a Pen and paper is the stepping stones.. And you know that better.. Everyone in this list are keen and eaer and they will surely help you in all the possible ways.. I Like this team so much. See ya around. Regards Dreko ###Team-Work Means MORE### ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Preferences-system-users draft
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Re: [PATCH] make authtype a config option
On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 22:54 -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: the attached patch adds a config option that can be in a config file or on the command line forcing the use of one authentication type. it is useful if a hub supports more than one authentication type. or using different hubs that support different authentications methods. Ive tested with noauth, kerberos, and ssl. Applied. Thanks for the patch! -- Fedora-buildsys-list mailing list Fedora-buildsys-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-buildsys-list
Font subsetting is patented?
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Asana-Math: close but no cigar
It's nice to see that the first ( only?) FOSS OpenType math font, (and by that I mean one that has a math script, like Cambria Math), has been added to rawhide. But the font is currently useless in Fedora, because (i) our XeTeX is too old, and (ii) the unicode-math XeLaTeX package is not installed. Unlike most other TeX projects, XeTeX has it's own SNV repository. I've been using the svn version of XeTeX for a while now, mainly because I've reported some bugs upstream (and I mean to the real upstream, not TeXLive). The repository includes all the required texmf bits that XeTeX needs, but unicode-math is considered experimental so it's not installed even by the svn installation script, thus it's missing even in TeXLive 2008. But it works well enough for me and others on that have tried it, including typesetting the whole AMS test document. Given that we package xetex separately in texlive-xetex, and since it doesn't seem likely that we'll ship TeXLive 2008 anytime soon, I'd like to prose that we switch xetex to its own upstream sources instead of getting the obsolete version from TeXLive 2007. This will fix (i) without having to wait for TeXLive 2008 to get packaged. Since we'd be using the svn sources, we can easily add unicode-math - it just needs some files copied to texmf, so we'd fix (ii) as well. ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
Re: Asana-Math: close but no cigar
The STIX fonts do **NOT** currently have the math OpenType script. What this means is that they have nice collection of glyphs, but no special layout features, so they're pretty useless for actually typesetting something with them. The math script, aka MATH table, is a MS extension to OpenType. MS has not yet officially submitted any documentation for these math layout extensions -- and they are quite extensive -- not even in the draft 1.5/1.6 OpenType spec. Despite this, it is the de-facto OpenType math standard, and support for it has appeared in FOSS projects. These extensions are implemented only in the Cambria Math font (MS), and now in Asana Math (FOSS). Fonts using these extensions are currenly usable only in MS Office 2007 (and some other minor non-FOSS products), but out of the FOSS world only XeTeX supports them right now. LuaTeX is scheduled to add support by the end of this year, together with the release of the GUST Math font. On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 5:52 AM, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 05:41 +0300, Vasile Gaburici wrote: It's nice to see that the first ( only?) FOSS OpenType math font, STIXFonts? Well, not quite FOSS yet, but soon hopefully... http://www.stixfonts.org/user_license.html -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
Re: Asana-Math: close but no cigar
It turns out that STIX beta fonts have a modicum of MATH table (it didn't occur to me check), but not math script support. Because of the MATH table, STIXGeneral gets recognized as math font in Office 2007, but it doesn't really work; as soon as you type anything, you get Cambria Math instead. See: http://blogs.msdn.com/murrays/archive/2007/11/06/stix-beta-fonts.aspx. Also, the way the STIX fonts are spread across multiple otf files doesn't work with any typesetting software; but hey, if you just want to gawk at the glyphs with unicode.org's unibook viewer, it's fine. $ otfinfo -t /usr/share/fonts/stix/STIXGeneral.otf 251327 CFF 28 FFTM 30 GDEF 242 MATH 96 OS/2 4346 cmap 54 head 36 hhea 10026 hmtx 6 maxp 6393 name 32 post 572 prop $ otfinfo -s /usr/share/fonts/stix/STIXGeneral.otf nothing $ otfinfo -t /usr/share/fonts/asana-math/asana-math.otf 354717 CFF 28 FFTM 30 GDEF 80 GPOS 1268 GSUB 12168 MATH 96 OS/2 2262 cmap 44 feat 54 head 36 hhea 12076 hmtx 6 maxp 128 morx 15289 name 32 post 542 prop $ otfinfo -s /usr/share/fonts/asana-math/asana-math.otf DFLTDefault grekGreek latnLatin mathunknown script $ otfinfo -f --script=math /usr/share/fonts/asana-math/asana-math.otf dtlsunknown feature onumOldstyle Figures saltStylistic Alternates sstyunknown feature On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The STIX fonts do **NOT** currently have the math OpenType script. What this means is that they have nice collection of glyphs, but no special layout features, so they're pretty useless for actually typesetting something with them. The math script, aka MATH table, is a MS extension to OpenType. MS has not yet officially submitted any documentation for these math layout extensions -- and they are quite extensive -- not even in the draft 1.5/1.6 OpenType spec. Despite this, it is the de-facto OpenType math standard, and support for it has appeared in FOSS projects. These extensions are implemented only in the Cambria Math font (MS), and now in Asana Math (FOSS). Fonts using these extensions are currenly usable only in MS Office 2007 (and some other minor non-FOSS products), but out of the FOSS world only XeTeX supports them right now. LuaTeX is scheduled to add support by the end of this year, together with the release of the GUST Math font. On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 5:52 AM, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 05:41 +0300, Vasile Gaburici wrote: It's nice to see that the first ( only?) FOSS OpenType math font, STIXFonts? Well, not quite FOSS yet, but soon hopefully... http://www.stixfonts.org/user_license.html -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
Re: Asana-Math: close but no cigar
Unlike Office 2007, XeTeX checks if a font contains the math script, not the MATH table to decide whether it will work or not for Unicode math. So with STIX it complains: Package fontspec Warning: Font STIXGeneral/ICU at 12.0pt does not contain script 'Math' And predictably, it doesn't work: http://www.cs.umd.edu/~gaburici/uni-asana.pdf http://www.cs.umd.edu/~gaburici/uni-cambria.pdf http://www.cs.umd.edu/~gaburici/uni-stix.pdf On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 7:34 AM, Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It turns out that STIX beta fonts have a modicum of MATH table (it didn't occur to me check), but not math script support. Because of the MATH table, STIXGeneral gets recognized as math font in Office 2007, but it doesn't really work; as soon as you type anything, you get Cambria Math instead. See: http://blogs.msdn.com/murrays/archive/2007/11/06/stix-beta-fonts.aspx. Also, the way the STIX fonts are spread across multiple otf files doesn't work with any typesetting software; but hey, if you just want to gawk at the glyphs with unicode.org's unibook viewer, it's fine. $ otfinfo -t /usr/share/fonts/stix/STIXGeneral.otf 251327 CFF 28 FFTM 30 GDEF 242 MATH 96 OS/2 4346 cmap 54 head 36 hhea 10026 hmtx 6 maxp 6393 name 32 post 572 prop $ otfinfo -s /usr/share/fonts/stix/STIXGeneral.otf nothing $ otfinfo -t /usr/share/fonts/asana-math/asana-math.otf 354717 CFF 28 FFTM 30 GDEF 80 GPOS 1268 GSUB 12168 MATH 96 OS/2 2262 cmap 44 feat 54 head 36 hhea 12076 hmtx 6 maxp 128 morx 15289 name 32 post 542 prop $ otfinfo -s /usr/share/fonts/asana-math/asana-math.otf DFLTDefault grekGreek latnLatin mathunknown script $ otfinfo -f --script=math /usr/share/fonts/asana-math/asana-math.otf dtlsunknown feature onumOldstyle Figures saltStylistic Alternates sstyunknown feature On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The STIX fonts do **NOT** currently have the math OpenType script. What this means is that they have nice collection of glyphs, but no special layout features, so they're pretty useless for actually typesetting something with them. The math script, aka MATH table, is a MS extension to OpenType. MS has not yet officially submitted any documentation for these math layout extensions -- and they are quite extensive -- not even in the draft 1.5/1.6 OpenType spec. Despite this, it is the de-facto OpenType math standard, and support for it has appeared in FOSS projects. These extensions are implemented only in the Cambria Math font (MS), and now in Asana Math (FOSS). Fonts using these extensions are currenly usable only in MS Office 2007 (and some other minor non-FOSS products), but out of the FOSS world only XeTeX supports them right now. LuaTeX is scheduled to add support by the end of this year, together with the release of the GUST Math font. On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 5:52 AM, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 05:41 +0300, Vasile Gaburici wrote: It's nice to see that the first ( only?) FOSS OpenType math font, STIXFonts? Well, not quite FOSS yet, but soon hopefully... http://www.stixfonts.org/user_license.html -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
Re: Public demo of amber and eventual production instance
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:07:41 -0400 Robin Norwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Second, Fedora Applications/Amber is eventually going to need an actual production server ready around the Fedora 10 release date. I'd like to get to the point where I can make a formal request for aforementioned resources. What do I need to do to get there? Ping - what do I need to do to get moving on hosting resources for Amber/Fedora Applications? (Note: It hasn't yet been approved as a Feature, it's up for approval during Wednesday's FESCO meeting. Ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/666 -RN -- Robin Norwood Red Hat, Inc. The Sage does nothing, yet nothing remains undone. -Lao Tzu, Te Tao Ching ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Tasks and followup
Apologies for this being an idea with no code attached. I'm hoping that some of the able folks are on this list and will see something achievable. Something the Community Architecture folks and I have discovered is that when we sign up new folks for an account, there's not any way to mark them for follow up or to indicate a note for where they did it. A couple methods for doing this come to mind: 1. Simple but effective -- a way to tag account holders arbitrarily. This might help with a number of things, like skill sets, karma, and so forth. In this case, the tag would allow Ambassadors to follow up on particular shows by listing everyone with FooCon 2008 in their tag list. 2. More complicated but possibly more predictable -- A plugin for FAS that would allow ambassadors to request or create a special signup portal, and use it at a show to help visitors sign up (e.g. join.fp.o/foocon2008 or foocon2008.join.fp.o). -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Tasks and followup
On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 15:52 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: Apologies for this being an idea with no code attached. I'm hoping that some of the able folks are on this list and will see something achievable. Something the Community Architecture folks and I have discovered is that when we sign up new folks for an account, there's not any way to mark them for follow up or to indicate a note for where they did it. A couple methods for doing this come to mind: 1. Simple but effective -- a way to tag account holders arbitrarily. This might help with a number of things, like skill sets, karma, and so forth. In this case, the tag would allow Ambassadors to follow up on particular shows by listing everyone with FooCon 2008 in their tag list. 2. More complicated but possibly more predictable -- A plugin for FAS that would allow ambassadors to request or create a special signup portal, and use it at a show to help visitors sign up (e.g. join.fp.o/foocon2008 or foocon2008.join.fp.o). I'd say 2 is pretty easy in a plugin. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/promo/sign-up/MyPromo where MyPromo could just be arbitrary. It'd get flagged somewhere that we could get it later. The point of this is so users can sign up with some sort of flag on how they found out about Fedora, and then run stats on it later? Not just stats, but also to get people assigned geographically to Ambassadors or some other mentor group, in a way that makes sense and maximizes stickiness. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Tasks and followup
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 08:33:32PM +, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Apologies for this being an idea with no code attached. I'm hoping that
some of the able folks are on this list and will see something
achievable.
Something the Community Architecture folks and I have discovered is that
when we sign up new folks for an account, there's not any way to mark
them for follow up or to indicate a note for where they did it. A
couple methods for doing this come to mind:
1. Simple but effective -- a way to tag account holders arbitrarily.
This might help with a number of things, like skill sets, karma, and so
forth. In this case, the tag would allow Ambassadors to follow up on
particular shows by listing everyone with FooCon 2008 in their tag
list.
We could possibly do this by using the 'myfedora' application
namespace that already exists in the FAS person config model. Each user
in the db can have a list of configs for a variety of different apps
(currently hardcoded to asterisk, moin, myfedora, and openid).
For MyFedora we were thinking about storing various widget settings in
this field, but the namespace has not yet been decided on.
I'm not familiar with the FAS codebase, but we may be able to do
something like this::
from fas.model import Person, Configs
Person.configs.append(
Configs(application='myfedora',
value={
'tags' : ['FUDCon2008Boston'],
'skills': ['python', 'c++', 'trolling'],
'karma' : -8,
}))
luke
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Re: Public demo of amber and eventual production instance
On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 13:23 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Robin Norwood wrote: On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:07:41 -0400 Robin Norwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Second, Fedora Applications/Amber is eventually going to need an actual production server ready around the Fedora 10 release date. I'd like to get to the point where I can make a formal request for aforementioned resources. What do I need to do to get there? Ping - what do I need to do to get moving on hosting resources for Amber/Fedora Applications? (Note: It hasn't yet been approved as a Feature, it's up for approval during Wednesday's FESCO meeting. as in have it hosted in a production supported / backed-up instance at a location like https://admin.fedoraproject.org/amber/ ? If so work with your project sponsor. Surely it'd be better suited as 'amber.fedoraproject.org', or something like that, hopefully I'll be back later today/tomorrow to help if needed. (Note, we'd need to get the wildcard cert on the proxy servers first, but that's not too bigger deal) -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Public demo of amber and eventual production instance
On 2008-08-13 12:29:55 PM, Nigel Jones wrote: Surely it'd be better suited as 'amber.fedoraproject.org', or something like that, hopefully I'll be back later today/tomorrow to help if needed. If it requires auth, we'll probably want it at admin.fedoraproject.org so that it can share cookies with our other applications. Thanks, Ricky pgpjBZVzMLRnn.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Public demo of amber and eventual production instance
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Ricky Zhou wrote: On 2008-08-13 12:29:55 PM, Nigel Jones wrote: Surely it'd be better suited as 'amber.fedoraproject.org', or something like that, hopefully I'll be back later today/tomorrow to help if needed. If it requires auth, we'll probably want it at admin.fedoraproject.org so that it can share cookies with our other applications. it is probably time to better describe what goes where and why. I'm fond of the admin.fedoraproject.org/blah/ for stuff. But if this is an application that end users will be using that doesn't seem quite right. -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: [Fwd: Re: Tasks and followup]
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: --- Snips some cleanup --- We could create FAS groups for regions, sure. But there's also particular ambassadors to consider -- for example, an Ambassador who works on Websites might target a new signup for helping with Websites, even though that new person lives in a different country. Maybe groups plus the portal plugin would do the trick. I'll ask around with the Ambassadors. When people sponsor someone we do track that. But for a group of sponsors we're not. -Mie ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Public demo of amber and eventual production instance
On 2008-08-12 08:09:20 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: it is probably time to better describe what goes where and why. I'm fond of the admin.fedoraproject.org/blah/ for stuff. But if this is an application that end users will be using that doesn't seem quite right. Hmm, I wonder if this could lead into a discussion of whether FAS accounts are generally targetted towards 100% end users as well and if end user apps should have the possibility of separate auth (OpenID would be really cool for this). Thanks, Ricky pgpyWUqZOwAgT.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Public demo of amber and eventual production instance
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:09:20 -0500 (CDT) Mike McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Ricky Zhou wrote: On 2008-08-13 12:29:55 PM, Nigel Jones wrote: Surely it'd be better suited as 'amber.fedoraproject.org', or something like that, hopefully I'll be back later today/tomorrow to help if needed. If it requires auth, we'll probably want it at admin.fedoraproject.org so that it can share cookies with our other applications. it is probably time to better describe what goes where and why. I'm fond of the admin.fedoraproject.org/blah/ for stuff. But if this is an application that end users will be using that doesn't seem quite right. Yes, it isn't really a fedora 'admin' app. As you said, it's targeted at end users. -RN -- Robin Norwood Red Hat, Inc. The Sage does nothing, yet nothing remains undone. -Lao Tzu, Te Tao Ching ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Is Apache included with Fedora
Hi, I want to use Apache-Mysql-Php in my fedora 8. I did yum install apache the result was no package apache available but httpd is already installed. So i want to know if apache is installed in my machine under the name httpd or i have to download it myself. If it is already installed please tell me how to start it. Thanks -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Is Apache included with Fedora
Adil Drissi a écrit : So i want to know if apache is installed in my machine under the name httpd or i have to download it myself. If it is already installed please tell me how to start it. Yes https is apache. ++ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Ogg Totem kill X
Hi, I have F9 with Totem and VLC installed. When I try to watch an ogg video from Red Hat's web site in Totem, the screen goes blank and I can hear my hard disk head park. I can't recover X from this - I have to hard reset the machine and boot back into the desktop. When I try the same video in VLC, VLC just dies immediately (but at least it doesn't bring the system down too). I've searched for log entries relating to this error, but there seem to be none. So... my question is, does video require DRI to be enabled in X? I had to disable DRI in my xorg.conf because it was making X hang in certain situations. Here's my xorg.conf for reference: Section ServerLayout Identifier Default Layout Screen 0 Screen0 0 0 InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard EndSection Section InputDevice # keyboard added by rhpxl Identifier Keyboard0 Driver kbd OptionXkbModel pc105 OptionXkbLayout gb EndSection Section Device Identifier Videocard0 Driver radeon OptionDRI off EndSection Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Videocard0 DefaultDepth 24 SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 EndSubSection EndSection Any ideas, suggestions, etc appreciated. Thanks, Steve -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Live USB-stick format
On Monday 04 August 2008 03:51, Bill Davidsen wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: I want F9 on a USB stick. It's 8GB, and comes with a few files concerned with using it on windows, so I don't really care whether they survive or not. Most of my hardware is not so young, and doesn't boot off usb sticks. However, the EeePC should do - it does from a Mandriva flash drive. It lists the drive, in BIOS, enclosed in [ ] which seems to mean that it is not bootable, so I looked at the drive with fdisk. It says Disk /dev/sdc1: 8120MB Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: loop and that 'The flag 'boot' is not available for loop disk labels' Obviously I've done something wrong, but what? Best guess is that you formatted it without a partition table and/or boot sector. Try fdisk -l as root and see if you get more information. /dev/sdc1 * 11023 8055071 83 Linux Mounting the drive from a running system, I can see all the directories that I would expect to see. Anne -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Live USB-stick format
On Friday 08 August 2008 14:44, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: I want F9 on a USB stick. It's 8GB, and comes with a few files concerned with using it on windows, so I don't really care whether they survive or not. Most of my hardware is not so young, and doesn't boot off usb sticks. However, the EeePC should do - it does from a Mandriva flash drive. It lists the drive, in BIOS, enclosed in [ ] which seems to mean that it is not bootable, so I looked at the drive with fdisk. It says Disk /dev/sdc1: 8120MB Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: loop and that 'The flag 'boot' is not available for loop disk labels' Obviously I've done something wrong, but what? Anne Dumb question - did you run fdisk -l /dev/sdc or fdisk -l /dev/sdc1? The first form is the correct one, and the second one will give strange results. From the output it looks like you used the second form. Mikkel, I'm away from home and from the laptop I used to do the install, so I can't examine the history to find out. Mounting the drive in a running system shows all the expected directories under /media/Z Mate 8GB/DaneElec, and as you will see in my reply to Bill, fdisk shows /dev/sdc1 * 11023 8055071 83 Linux Anne -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Xvfb - desperate -- help needed...
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 12:33 AM, Ric Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 22:57 -0700, Tod Merley wrote:
but I gotta have the X11
applications features enabled (thus Xvfb)
Hi Ric!
The little I know of virtual frame buffers is that they are used to
test hardware or provide a virtual KVM for an X client. I think you
simply want to get X11 running. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xvfb
For that I would be looking at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and
/etc/X11/xorg.conf (along with /var/log/messages and /var/log/dmesg).
I do hope you find what you need.
I tried the wikipedia example and got my old friend again:
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] log]# Xvfb :1
[1] 6791
[EMAIL PROTECTED] log]# xv -display :1
[2] 6793
[EMAIL PROTECTED] log]# AUDIT: Mon Aug 11 23:26:37 2008: 6791 Xvfb: client 1
rejected from local host (uid 0)
Xlib: connection to :1.0 refused by server
Xlib: No protocol specified
xv: Can't open display
---
THAT kinda error is typical of that which busts my jewels.
Does anyone suppose that it's related to gdm?? Should I use xdm?? Is
there some securetty config file to edit or something of that nature??
Xvfb seems to want to work, but somehow gets rejected. REFUSED! This
stick has beaten me for several months or more. I could use some
relief! :) Ric
Ric,
read this:
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/NVidia/TV-OUT
Your error is there. I used to use something like this for connecting
my TV to :1. I call the script display.auth :
#!/bin/sh
# Allows the use of :1 for X.
# By default the file /tmp/.gdmxx is used.
# At each new session this script should be run.
#
xauth add $(/bin/hostname)/unix:1 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 \
$( xauth list | egrep $(/bin/hostname)/unix:0 | awk '{print $3}' )
--
Paulo Roma Cavalcanti
LCG - UFRJ
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Re: Stripes on screen after installing Fedora
Tim wrote: On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 19:17 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: In my Fedora 9 system it's /etc/xorg.conf. Not here. How odd. Maybe it depends on how the file is initially created? That sounds more like you've moved it out of the way. I would have known if I had done that. Is it actually being used? You don't need a configuration file, most of the time, these days. So the chances are that it's not being used. I had a problem with the resolution for a while, before Intel's driver got fixed, and fiddled a lot with xorg.conf to diagnose the problem, first through system-config-display and then by hand. I assure you that editing /etc/xorg.conf did affect the resolution. Björn Persson signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Is Apache included with Fedora
Adil Drissi wrote: I want to use Apache-Mysql-Php in my fedora 8. I did yum install apache the result was no package apache available but httpd is already installed. So i want to know if apache is installed in my machine under the name httpd or i have to download it myself. If it is already installed please tell me how to start it. In the philosophy of teaching a man to fish rather than giving him a fish, I'll give you this tip: If you run rpm --query --info httpd you'll get a description of the package where it says, among other things, Apache HTTP Server. If you don't know the name of the package you can ask about the package that owns a certain file, for example rpm --query --info --file /usr/sbin/httpd. Björn Persson signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Is Apache included with Fedora
Yes, but the important point is that he wouldn't have known the background to the rename, which was The Apache project isn't just a web server. Could try yum search apache but that will return several other things (I get several hundred lines of output). 2008/8/12 Björn Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Adil Drissi wrote: I want to use Apache-Mysql-Php in my fedora 8. I did yum install apache the result was no package apache available but httpd is already installed. So i want to know if apache is installed in my machine under the name httpd or i have to download it myself. If it is already installed please tell me how to start it. In the philosophy of teaching a man to fish rather than giving him a fish, I'll give you this tip: If you run rpm --query --info httpd you'll get a description of the package where it says, among other things, Apache HTTP Server. If you don't know the name of the package you can ask about the package that owns a certain file, for example rpm --query --info --file /usr/sbin/httpd. Björn Persson -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Ubuntu v Fedora on an Inspiron
[was Re: burning iso image on a Mac] I'm just starting to play around with Linux. A couple of days ago, I installed Ubuntu on my Inspiron 7500. When I switch from one application to another by clicking (say) on a Firefox window when Help is in the foreground, it takes many seconds before the newly selected application is available and the screen properly refreshed. I'm planning on installing Fedora. Is it likely to be any faster? Thanks, -J On Aug 11, 2008, at 9:36 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 21:07 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Another question: I tried Ubuntu on my Inspiron 7500, but context switching was so slow it drove me crazy. Will Fedora be any swifter? (Please don't top-post on mailing lists. It makes threads harder to read). Thanks Patrick. What exactly do you mean by context-switching? Between windows? Between desktops? Between virtual consoles? Between processes? poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
How to patch Fedora Core 2 Bind RPM?
I have a Fedora Core 2 box that is running BIND 9.2.3-13 and I want to update to the latest patch due to the DNS issue. How can I upgrade my RPM install? Is there an RPM that is independent of the Fedora OS? Or is it possible to compile and use the patch installed from source overtop my RPM? Any help would be great. Thanks. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How to patch Fedora Core 2 Bind RPM?
John Smith wrote: I have a Fedora Core 2 box that is running BIND 9.2.3-13 and I want to update to the latest patch due to the DNS issue. How can I upgrade my RPM install? Is there an RPM that is independent of the Fedora OS? Or is it possible to compile and use the patch installed from source overtop my RPM? Any help would be great. Thanks. Your best bet is to do what I did with my FC6 boxes and get the latest Source RPM (9.5.0 or thereabouts) install it and see if you can build it on the FC2 box. You might need to satisfy some dependencies and devel packages, but it should work. Maybe. That's an old OS. -- Libenter homines id quod volunt credunt -- Caius Julius Caesar Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How to patch Fedora Core 2 Bind RPM?
Do you mean build the source and install it overtop the RPM or do you mean uninstall the RPM then build and install from source... On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Mark Haney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Smith wrote: I have a Fedora Core 2 box that is running BIND 9.2.3-13 and I want to update to the latest patch due to the DNS issue. How can I upgrade my RPM install? Is there an RPM that is independent of the Fedora OS? Or is it possible to compile and use the patch installed from source overtop my RPM? Any help would be great. Thanks. Your best bet is to do what I did with my FC6 boxes and get the latest Source RPM (9.5.0 or thereabouts) install it and see if you can build it on the FC2 box. You might need to satisfy some dependencies and devel packages, but it should work. Maybe. That's an old OS. -- Libenter homines id quod volunt credunt -- Caius Julius Caesar Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How to patch Fedora Core 2 Bind RPM?
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Mark Haney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Smith wrote: I have a Fedora Core 2 box that is running BIND 9.2.3-13 and I want to update to the latest patch due to the DNS issue. How can I upgrade my RPM install? Is there an RPM that is independent of the Fedora OS? Or is it possible to compile and use the patch installed from source overtop my RPM? Your best bet is to do what I did with my FC6 boxes and get the latest Source RPM (9.5.0 or thereabouts) install it and see if you can build it on the FC2 box. You might need to satisfy some dependencies and devel packages, but it should work. Maybe. That's an old OS. Mark is right, however, there are a few issues with this approach, as i have been going through the exact same thing. The major issue is that it requires a newer version of openssl to be compiled and installed which breaks some dependencies on the box. I am intereted in hearing if anyone out there still running FC2 has gotten this figured out including all the dependencies on libssl.so.4, etc. Michael -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How to patch Fedora Core 2 Bind RPM?
John Smith wrote: I have a Fedora Core 2 box that is running BIND 9.2.3-13 and I want to update to the latest patch due to the DNS issue. How can I upgrade my RPM install? Is there an RPM that is independent of the Fedora OS? Or is it possible to compile and use the patch installed from source overtop my RPM? Any help would be great. Thanks. You can try to build from my RPM. I build RPMs for my FC1 box and do have the update for BIND. http://beta.intcomgrp.com/~jkosin Click on the source found here link and download the bind-xxx.src.rpm. or just here: http://support.intcomgrp.com/mirror/fedora-core/beta/src/bind-9.4.2-0.2.fc1.src.rpm Good Luck, James signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How to patch Fedora Core 2 Bind RPM?
John Smith wrote: Do you mean build the source and install it overtop the RPM or do you mean uninstall the RPM then build and install from source... Please, don't top post, it's hard to keep track of what I've said. No, it means get the latest source RPM for bind: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/updates/9/SRPMS/bind-9.5.0-33.P1.fc9.src.rpm rpm -Uvh the source RPM. That should get you a setup in /usr/src/redhat/ for the build to a binary RPM. Then, cd to the specs directory and issue rpmbuild -bb bind.spec (or whatever the .spec filename is) And see if any dependencies need to be addressed. Once the dependencies are done, you should be able to issue that command and get the updated RPM in /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386 (or whatever your arch is). Then you can install that RPM just like any other. This gets you an RPM managed version of BIND on your system. Instead of compiling from a tarball. -- Libenter homines id quod volunt credunt -- Caius Julius Caesar Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Live USB-stick format
Anne Wilson wrote: Mikkel, I'm away from home and from the laptop I used to do the install, so I can't examine the history to find out. Mounting the drive in a running system shows all the expected directories under /media/Z Mate 8GB/DaneElec, and as you will see in my reply to Bill, fdisk shows /dev/sdc1 * 11023 8055071 83 Linux Anne OK - you have the boot flag. The problem may by that there isn't a boot loader in the MBR. It depends on how the stick was formatted from the factory. You may need to install makebootfat to make the stick bootable. I think there is also a way to do it with syslinux, but I am not sure. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How to patch Fedora Core 2 Bind RPM?
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Mark Haney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Smith wrote: Do you mean build the source and install it overtop the RPM or do you mean uninstall the RPM then build and install from source... Please, don't top post, it's hard to keep track of what I've said. No, it means get the latest source RPM for bind: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/updates/9/SRPMS/bind-9.5.0-33.P1.fc9.src.rpm rpm -Uvh the source RPM. That should get you a setup in /usr/src/redhat/ for the build to a binary RPM. Then, cd to the specs directory and issue rpmbuild -bb bind.spec (or whatever the .spec filename is) And see if any dependencies need to be addressed. Once the dependencies are done, you should be able to issue that command and get the updated RPM in /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386 (or whatever your arch is). Then you can install that RPM just like any other. This gets you an RPM managed version of BIND on your system. Instead of compiling from a tarball. -- Libenter homines id quod volunt credunt -- Caius Julius Caesar Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Thanks Mark -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora 8 and VMware Server
My mistake on the lack of details. I am attempting to use the tar.gz format of the vmware server 1.0.6.91891. To be exact, the install works, it's the configuration that aborts at the vmmon creation step. I tried a new test and found the following: 1. On a machine running the 32-bit version of Fedora 9 on a Intel Pentium 4 and 2-GB RAM the complete install and configuration works correctly. 2. On a machine running the 64-bit version of Fedora 8 on a AMD Athlon x2 5600+ and 4-GB RAM the configuration fails at the vmmon creation step. I have no way to test this on a 64-bit Intel to see if that makes a difference, nor can I upgrade the Fedora 8 machine to Fedora 9 (it's running Oracle 11g, Fedora-DS, plus other stuff). I will attempt to remove all of the vmware and attempt a re-install and capture the exact error. I will then report back here. Thanks, Gene Poole -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F8 vs F9
Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED wrote: I need to install a few new systems in the next few weeks. My requirements are: apache; C++ code development; netfilter; KDE; openvpn; and above all, stability. I have heard a rumor that I might be better off with F8 than F9. Is this true? The answer is either yes, no, or maybe. And you get 10 points for asking one of the silliest questions I've seen asked her in quite some time. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
how to decrease timeout when enter wrong password
Peeps, any thoughts on the below? Ta, M On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 11:59 +0100, michael wrote: I've tried and tried but failed and failed to determine where the setting is for the delay post wrong user/pass at the gdmgreeter screen. It current seems about 90 secs which is a bit too long (I'd be more than happy to have a longer delay between attempts on ext ssh connections but not when sitting in front of the machine). ta, M -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: time/ntp[d]
michael wrote, On 08/11/2008 07:46 AM: On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 11:15 -0400, Todd Denniston wrote: michael wrote, On 08/07/2008 10:47 AM: On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:40 -0400, Todd Denniston wrote: SNIP BTW assuming ntpd is still running it might be interesting to run date \ ntpdate -d ntp2.mcc.ac.uk \ ntpdate -d utserv.mcc.ac.uk \ hwclock --show \ date well what I get now is [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /usr/sbin/ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter == +maverick.mcc.ac 193.62.22.98 2 u 24 64 3770.311 19.721 0.321 130.88.200.98 .STEP. 16 u- 102400.0000.000 0.000 *utserv.mcc.ac.u 193.62.22.98 2 u 49 64 3770.334 23.639 0.629 meonis.mc.man.a .STEP. 16 u- 102400.0000.000 0.000 (not sure where/how those extra servers came from) multicast??? is there a -m in ntpd's command line? NB this is after 0.5 day's downtime last night. For above I now get [EMAIL PROTECTED] mkb]# date \ ntpdate -d ntp2.mcc.ac.uk \ ntpdate -d utserv.mcc.ac.uk \ hwclock --show \ date Mon Aug 11 12:43:07 BST 2008 11 Aug 12:43:07 ntpdate[5738]: ntpdate [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Aug 21 13:58:55 UTC 2007 (1) Looking for host ntp2.mcc.ac.uk and service ntp host found : utserv.mcc.ac.uk SNIP offset 0.022145 11 Aug 12:43:07 ntpdate[5738]: adjust time server 130.88.200.6 offset 0.022145 sec 11 Aug 12:43:07 ntpdate[5739]: ntpdate [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Aug 21 13:58:55 UTC 2007 (1) Looking for host utserv.mcc.ac.uk and service ntp host found : utserv.mcc.ac.uk SNIP HMM, looks like ntp2.mcc.ac.uk is utserv.mcc.ac.uk in disguise. offset 0.022142 11 Aug 12:43:07 ntpdate[5739]: adjust time server 130.88.200.6 offset 0.022142 sec Mon 11 Aug 2008 12:43:08 BST -0.210030 seconds Mon Aug 11 12:43:08 BST 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mkb]# err... is that good??!? Yes. system time is within 0.022 seconds of a stratum 2 host [i.e., very good host], and the hardware clock is within 0.21 seconds of system time. Not sure what I've fixed... Getting system time within the (IIRC) 1000 second window for ntpd and getting the hardware clock set similar so that when a reboot occurs ntpd can go back to work. :) Look at the second paragraph of How NTP Operates in [1]. SNIP One other bit of info, if I turn off ntpd over night, the clock loses time (new battery required?) no, unlike MS, Unix system clock uses the frequency ticker on the CPU to keep time, which is independent of the battery backed TOY clock. i.e., after shutting ntpd off run: date;/sbin/hwclock --show;date then after you have slept date;/sbin/hwclock --show;date I'll try this next time I power off the machine I expect the time from the date commands to have drifted as you are seeing, but the time from hwclock will have drifted differently. date - returns system time hwclock - returns TOY clock time. Not sure I follow all that. Surely, the hwclock must also use battery in order to track the time? Thanks for all your expert help, M You still have a small but fundamental understanding problem here. The system time is the time in the kernel that is maintained by the frequency of the CPU, turn off the cpu or drop back to bios and system time does not EXIST, there is no battery backed system time. The time-of-year (TOY)* or BIOS clock is THE hardware clock in MOST PC equipment, and yes it is usually backed up by a battery. *I just realized this moniker (time-of-year or TOY) is peculiar to DEC equipment and some ntp documentation[1] and not a general usage thing. I will now try to stop using it, sorry for the confusion. [1] http://doc.ntp.org/4.1.0/ntpd.htm http://doc.ntp.org/4.2.4/debug.html -- Todd Denniston Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F8 vs F9
Ed Greshko wrote: The answer is either yes, no, or maybe. And you get 10 points for asking one of the silliest questions I've seen asked her in quite some time. Why is it silly? I think it's personally a good one to ask especially where stability is concerned. We all know F9 is 'bleeding edge' or thereabouts and sometimes that's not acceptable for certain uses. Sure, he can purchase and enterprise level OS if he wants, but if he doesn't, why not ask that question. I think he's more asking 'Is F9 getting more stable now than at it's release?' than anything else. My $0.02, I think F9 would work fine at this point in it's lifecycle for what you are looking to do. It seems to be very stable with most everything you are asking about, although I don't do any development on it, nor use any VPN software. HTH. -- Libenter homines id quod volunt credunt -- Caius Julius Caesar Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
RE: F8 vs F9
It sounded like a reasonable question to me. Who knows if this guy is new to this group (or even Linux) but non-friendly answers are a good way to send a newbie packing (and perpetuate the rumor that Linux is non-friendly to a new user). Mike...in the FWIW department, I have F9 running on 12 machines and have had very little trouble. Arch -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Greshko Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:26 AM To: For users of Fedora Subject: Re: F8 vs F9 Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED wrote: I need to install a few new systems in the next few weeks. My requirements are: apache; C++ code development; netfilter; KDE; openvpn; and above all, stability. I have heard a rumor that I might be better off with F8 than F9. Is this true? The answer is either yes, no, or maybe. And you get 10 points for asking one of the silliest questions I've seen asked her in quite some time. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F8 vs F9
I need to install a few new systems in the next few weeks. My requirements are: apache; C++ code development; netfilter; KDE; openvpn; and above all, stability. I have heard a rumor that I might be better off with F8 than F9. Is this true? I'm still running F8 as my primary system because F9 is so annoying, but F9 has certainly improved with updates (and with nvidia drivers becoming available) since the release. My main blocker with F9 now is that I haven't yet figured out how to rip pulseaudio out and get alsa functioning again. There are certainly a vast number of KDE users screaming about KDE 4 and wanting 3.5 back (but I merely note that I've seen those messages in the list - I don't use KDE myself). -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F8 vs F9
On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 14:05 +, Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED wrote: I need to install a few new systems in the next few weeks. My requirements are: apache; C++ code development; netfilter; KDE; openvpn; and above all, stability. I have heard a rumor that I might be better off with F8 than F9. Is this true? Thanks, Mike. If you have ATI, F8 is the only way to go. F9 is not good for ATI cards, the ati drivers won't support any x server greater than 1.4.2. KDE4 really is a disaster so far, it looks like a dumbed down gnome. F8 features the last mature version of kde, which is 3.5, and it's pretty robust. There's other things, but yeah, F8 is a sweet spot. LX -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F8 vs F9
Tom Horsley wrote: since the release. My main blocker with F9 now is that I haven't yet figured out how to rip pulseaudio out and get alsa functioning again. I've never managed to get pulse-audio working (although TBH I haven't tried very hard), so I just do a yum remove pulse* and that's always fixed the problem for me, alsa just seems to work after that - on F8 and F9. -- Chris -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Ubuntu v Fedora on an Inspiron
On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 07:32 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [was Re: burning iso image on a Mac] I'm just starting to play around with Linux. A couple of days ago, I installed Ubuntu on my Inspiron 7500. When I switch from one application to another by clicking (say) on a Firefox window when Help is in the foreground, it takes many seconds before the newly selected application is available and the screen properly refreshed. I'm planning on installing Fedora. Is it likely to be any faster? You're still top-posting. Please don't do that. It annoys a lot of people on mailing lists including this one. I doubt the problem you're seeing is related to Ubuntu specifically. It's more likely a configuration problem e.g. with the X drivers, or perhaps you're using Compiz and your video hardware isn't up to it. Or maybe you have a slow machine with only a small amount of RAM. You may have luck with Fedora, not because of the system but because the default X setup happens to be different. If not, you'll still need to tweak it. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F8 vs F9
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 7:05 AM, Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to install a few new systems in the next few weeks. My requirements are: apache; C++ code development; netfilter; KDE; openvpn; and above all, stability. I have heard a rumor that I might be better off with F8 than F9. Is this true? Thanks, Mike. You know, those on this list may beat me up for this, but if you're looking for stability and least fuss, I'd suggest CentOS instead. As someone else pointed out, Fedora is for people who want to get their hands dirty and try out the bleeding edge - and it doesn't sound like that's what you're after. Guys, I'm not dissing you, just suggesting what I think is the right tool for the job. Not everything is a nail. :-) --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F8 vs F9
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Christopher Mocock [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Tom Horsley wrote: since the release. My main blocker with F9 now is that I haven't yet figured out how to rip pulseaudio out and get alsa functioning again. I've never managed to get pulse-audio working (although TBH I haven't tried very hard), so I just do a yum remove pulse* and that's always fixed the problem for me, alsa just seems to work after that - on F8 and F9. It might bea permissions problem... I found that by changing the ownership on the alsa device files to root:pulse-rt and adding your local user to pulse-rt, it started working. Someone is insisting that's not a bug, which does not make me happy. --Russell -- Chris -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Idle thoughts or question re: dual booting and grub default !?
Thanks once again Mikkel; On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 17:51 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: William Case wrote: Hi; If you don't boot Windows often, and you normally want to boot Linux the next time you boot after running Windows, you could try Booting once-only setup in Grub. This is explained in detail in the Grub Info page, so I will not go into setup details. But what it does is tell Grub to boot a specific entry the next time you boot, and as part of the entry, it sets things back to the original default. Note - it does not look like Fedora has the grub-set-default script file talked about, but your script could write the /boot/grub/default file. I have not used this under Fedora, but I have done it under Mandriva many times. Another option, if you have ext2 support under windows, would be that not have the menu entry reset the default boot, but have a Windows script that changes the /boot/grub/default file. In any case, you are going to want to change: default=0 to default saved Mikkel I found http://sidvind.com/wiki/GRUB:_Boot_another_OS_once because of your post. It seems to have everything I need. A pointer in the right direction and a suggestion of some google search key words or criteria was all it took. Thanks -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F8 vs F9
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:25:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED wrote: I need to install a few new systems in the next few weeks. My requirements are: apache; C++ code development; netfilter; KDE; openvpn; and above all, stability. I have heard a rumor that I might be better off with F8 than F9. Is this true? The answer is either yes, no, or maybe. And you get 10 points for asking one of the silliest questions I've seen asked her in quite some time. A long time ago I worked for a very large company whose name you would recognize and for those who have worked there, whose name commands respect. I worked in assembly language on control systems whose failure could rapidly cost dollars counted in millions, and potentially be quite dangerous to human life. On their control systems, the only operating systems they allowed were long obsolete, and very well understood. The idea that perhaps one should upgrade to the latest system would be met with an incredulous stare. (I remember once entering my boss's office with the question: Is anything interesting happening?. He responded: God, I hope not!.) To the others respondents: Thanks for your helpful comments. I'll wait for more, especially on KDE and maybe openvpn. (But, then, my present web server has no GUI at all.) Mike. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Live USB-stick format
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: Mikkel, I'm away from home and from the laptop I used to do the install, so I can't examine the history to find out. Mounting the drive in a running system shows all the expected directories under /media/Z Mate 8GB/DaneElec, and as you will see in my reply to Bill, fdisk shows /dev/sdc1 * 11023 8055071 83 Linux Anne OK - you have the boot flag. The problem may by that there isn't a boot loader in the MBR. It depends on how the stick was formatted from the factory. You may need to install makebootfat to make the stick bootable. I think there is also a way to do it with syslinux, but I am not sure. makebootfat?? It's a Linux partition, hopefully one could boot a rescue disk, chroot to the stick, and grub install on the device. I'n assuming that Anne checked for the presence of the /boot partition on the USB, etc. -- Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F8: how to enable wpa-supplicant at boot from network scripts?
Jurgen Kramer wrote: Hi, I want to replace my cable based network on my F8 based MyhtTV mediacenter with a wireless one. I already managed to configure wpa-supplicant properly. When I start it by hand it works nicely. The next step is to make it run using the network scripts, what do I need to do to make it work? I created a ifcfg-ra0 file but that does not trigger wpa-supplicant. Using NetworkManager is not an option as this will only be enabled after logging in. Warning, I have not tried this, I read it in a post on another list and saved the post for future use. S.B. safe to try. Set the device as managed by NM on, start at boot off, allow anyone to start on. Sounds reasonable, let me know if it works for you. -- Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: encrypted swap question
Mike C wrote: Bill Davidsen davidsen at tmr.com writes: Better in what way? I think either case gets you out of typing a 2nd LIKS password. Using /dev/urandom seems to avoid having a password where anyone could ever recover it, and I think using LUKS on swap will kill suspend in either case (it may work better than it did last time I tried it). Yup - you are right - at least with the keyfile stored for swap - I cannot come out of suspend!! I am not sure this is working right at present as even regenerating the initial ramdisk file it still asks for the swap passphrase at boot - and it goes into suspend but won't come out! It is possible this is due to the hardware being quite old (around 5 years old) - which is my test system! I think it works that way, the restore information is on encrypted swap, you can't get the system up high enough to read the saved password. -- Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora 8 and VMware Server
Gene Poole wrote: My mistake on the lack of details. I am attempting to use the tar.gz format of the vmware server 1.0.6.91891. To be exact, the install works, it's the configuration that aborts at the vmmon creation step. Yes, I ran into this on F9 x86_64. I'm using the RPMs from VMWare. I had to go out and get the latest vmware-any-any-update. I think I found version for 116, 117, and 117a. In order to get it running on my laptop. I tried a new test and found the following: 1. On a machine running the 32-bit version of Fedora 9 on a Intel Pentium 4 and 2-GB RAM the complete install and configuration works correctly. 2. On a machine running the 64-bit version of Fedora 8 on a AMD Athlon x2 5600+ and 4-GB RAM the configuration fails at the vmmon creation step. My laptop came with VMWare already configured on FC6, but as the kernel updates came out, I had to get the any-any-updates to keep it running. When I upgraded to F9, it became a bigger problem. It was solved by applying the vmware-any-any-update117a.tar.gz over the VMWare-server-1.0.6-91891.i386.rpm installation. Yes, on an x86_64 system. Works just fine right now (except my VMWare tools are out date). I have no way to test this on a 64-bit Intel to see if that makes a difference, nor can I upgrade the Fedora 8 machine to Fedora 9 (it's running Oracle 11g, Fedora-DS, plus other stuff). I stopped runing VMWare on i386 when I updated to F9, so I have no way to run it on i386 anymore. My F8 server is an i386 running an AMD 2600+ CPU, but I don't run VMWare on it. I run VMWare only on my F9 laptop. I will attempt to remove all of the vmware and attempt a re-install and capture the exact error. I will then report back here. Google for the vmware-any-any-update tars. Thanks, Gene Poole -- Kevin J. Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User #1232 (http://counter.li.org) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 and nVidia Quadro NVS 140 M
Matthew Saltzman wrote: Is anyone running this combination with either the nv driver or the binary nvidia driver? Are there any issues--in particular with suspend or hibernate and resume? I have a ThinkPad T61 with this card. I'd like to know before I upgrade that I will still be able to suspend/resume. Every case I've ever heard of suspend/resume problems with that hardware was fixed by installing the nvidia driver. If you're comfortable running that, you should be okay. -- Chris -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F8 vs F9
On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 08:05 -0700, Russell Miller wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 7:05 AM, Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to install a few new systems in the next few weeks. My requirements are: apache; C++ code development; netfilter; KDE; openvpn; and above all, stability. I have heard a rumor that I might be better off with F8 than F9. Is this true? Thanks, Mike. You know, those on this list may beat me up for this, but if you're looking for stability and least fuss, I'd suggest CentOS instead. As someone else pointed out, Fedora is for people who want to get their hands dirty and try out the bleeding edge - and it doesn't sound like that's what you're after. Guys, I'm not dissing you, just suggesting what I think is the right tool for the job. Not everything is a nail. :-) I think Russell has hit this one on the head. Mike, you say above all, stability. That in my mind, does not equate with the newness that Fedora strives for. Also, bear in mind, that while you might be picking F8 today, it will be gone in less than six months. If you need support or certification, pony up for Red Hat Enterprise Linux. If you do not need support, nor certification, but still want the long term stability, choose CentOS. If you want to help move the open source community along, need to access latest versions of certain elements, or are just a Linux enthusiast who wants to play, then Fedora is the platform for you. --Rob -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F8 vs F9
Russell Miller wrote: You know, those on this list may beat me up for this, but if you're looking for stability and least fuss, I'd suggest CentOS instead. As someone else pointed out, Fedora is for people who want to get their hands dirty and try out the bleeding edge - and it doesn't sound like that's what you're after. Guys, I'm not dissing you, just suggesting what I think is the right tool for the job. Not everything is a nail. :-) --Russell Why would you get beat up? It is an entirely reasonable suggestion. Fedora and CentOS target different requirements. CentOS would not meet my requirements, but I enjoy tinkering under the hood, and things sometimes breaking is only an inconvenience. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Fixing or removing NetworkManager ??
Hi; Last week I was messing around with my network and Internet connections and managed to break NeteworkManager. See thread Messed up my ISP/Networkmanager connection !? Aug 5. Since I couldn't get it fixed, I stopped and disabled the NetworkManager service. I now find that many of my gnome services are somehow dependant on it. Will 'yum remove NetworkMangaer' remove it or will I end up in dependency hell? I would prefer to fix it but I am a fish out of water when it comes to anymore than rudimentary network stuff. My current ~/.xsession-errors. I moved the previous file aside before logging out and back in so it is absolutely current. xrdb: colon missing on line 18, ignoring line SESSION_MANAGER=local/unix:@/tmp/.ICE-unix/3565,unix/unix:/tmp/.ICE-unix/3565 seahorse nautilus module initialized ** (nautilus:3654): WARNING **: Unable to add monitor: Not supported Failure: Module initalization failed ** Message: failed to load session from /home/bill/.nautilus/saved-session-0E9JFU ** (nm-applet:3708): WARNING **: nm_object_get_property: Error getting 'WirelessHardwareEnabled' for /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager: The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files ** (nm-applet:3708): WARNING **: No connections defined evolution-alarm-notify-Message: Setting timeout for 47486 121860 1218552514 evolution-alarm-notify-Message: Wed Aug 13 00:00:00 2008 evolution-alarm-notify-Message: Tue Aug 12 10:48:34 2008 CalDAV Eplugin starting up ... connect: Operation now in progress Unable to open desktop file /home/bill/Desktop/alacarte-made.desktop for panel launcher: No such file or directory ** (evolution:3669): DEBUG: mailto URL command: evolution --component=mail %s ** (evolution:3669): DEBUG: mailto URL program: evolution libnm_glib_nm_state_cb: dbus returned an error. (org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown) The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files ** (nm-applet:3708): WARNING **: nm_object_get_property: Error getting 'ActiveConnections' for /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager: The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files BBDB spinning up... Shouldn't I be able to make commandline adjustments to network configurations (for ill or good) and still get NetworkManager to continue to operate, on my machine at least? If I made mistakes, shouldn't I, none-the-less, be able to correct them through the NetworkManager gui? -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F8 vs F9
On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 08:05 -0700, Russell Miller wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 7:05 AM, Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to install a few new systems in the next few weeks. My requirements are: apache; C++ code development; netfilter; KDE; openvpn; and above all, stability. I have heard a rumor that I might be better off with F8 than F9. Is this true? Thanks, Mike. You know, those on this list may beat me up for this, but if you're looking for stability and least fuss, I'd suggest CentOS instead. As someone else pointed out, Fedora is for people who want to get their hands dirty and try out the bleeding edge - and it doesn't sound like that's what you're after. This is absolutely right. I run F9 on my desktop but my institution's servers run on CentOS and that's not going to change. I wish more people would understand that Fedora is basically a testbed, then we might get a lower rate of this-damn-thing-doesn't-work-I'm-moving-to-Ubuntu messages. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F8 vs F9
Russell Miller wrote: It might bea permissions problem... I found that by changing the ownership on the alsa device files to root:pulse-rt and adding your local user to pulse-rt, it started working. Someone is insisting that's not a bug, which does not make me happy. Thanks. I did try that on Fedora 8 when I actually put some effort into investigating, with no success, but haven't tried again on F9. Might give it another go tonight. -- Chris -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F8 vs F9
Christopher Mocock wrote: Russell Miller wrote: It might be permissions problem... I found that by changing the ownership on the alsa device files to root:pulse-rt and adding your local user to pulse-rt, it started working. Someone is insisting that's not a bug, which does not make me happy. Thanks. I did try that on Fedora 8 when I actually put some effort into investigating, with no success, but haven't tried again on F9. Might give it another go tonight. The strange thing, at least for me, is that it works on the three systems I have installed it on without changing anything. All three have different hardware - 2 desktops and one laptop. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Live USB-stick format
Bill Davidsen wrote: Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: Mikkel, I'm away from home and from the laptop I used to do the install, so I can't examine the history to find out. Mounting the drive in a running system shows all the expected directories under /media/Z Mate 8GB/DaneElec, and as you will see in my reply to Bill, fdisk shows /dev/sdc1 * 11023 8055071 83 Linux Anne OK - you have the boot flag. The problem may by that there isn't a boot loader in the MBR. It depends on how the stick was formatted from the factory. You may need to install makebootfat to make the stick bootable. I think there is also a way to do it with syslinux, but I am not sure. makebootfat?? It's a Linux partition, hopefully one could boot a rescue disk, chroot to the stick, and grub install on the device. I'n assuming that Anne checked for the presence of the /boot partition on the USB, etc. You are correct - not one of my better days. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F8 vs F9
Em Ter 12 Ago 2008, Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED escreveu: I need to install a few new systems in the next few weeks. My requirements are: apache; C++ code development; netfilter; KDE; openvpn; and above all, stability. I have heard a rumor that I might be better off with F8 than F9. Is this true? I, for one, would stay with F8 and KDE 3.5.9 for a while. KDE 4.1 is now much better than KDE 4.0 released with F9, but it's still far from finished and much of the functionality of 3.5.9 is not available yet. Also, there are many really annoying bugs waiting for fixes. I'm currently using KDE 4.1 on F9, but if there was an easy way to go back to F8 and KDE 3.5.9, I certainly would. []'s Marcelo -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Re: Fedora 8 and VMware Server
Kevin J. Cummings wrote: Yes, I ran into this on F9 x86_64. I'm using the RPMs from VMWare. I had to go out and get the latest vmware-any-any-update. I think I found version for 116, 117, and 117a. In order to get it running on my laptop. My laptop came with VMWare already configured on FC6, but as the kernel updates came out, I had to get the any-any-updates to keep it running. When I upgraded to F9, it became a bigger problem. It was solved by applying the vmware-any-any-update117a.tar.gz over the VMWare-server-1.0.6-91891.i386.rpm installation. Yes, on an x86_64 system. Works just fine right now (except my VMWare tools are out date). I stopped runing VMWare on i386 when I updated to F9, so I have no way to run it on i386 anymore. My F8 server is an i386 running an AMD 2600+ CPU, but I don't run VMWare on it. I run VMWare only on my F9 laptop. It's my goal to run this on my Fedora 8 x86_64 machine. I'm hoping your Fedora 9 suggestions work even though it's Fedora 8. Thanks, Gene Poole-- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Ubuntu v Fedora on an Inspiron
On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 07:32 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [was Re: burning iso image on a Mac] I'm just starting to play around with Linux. A couple of days ago, I installed Ubuntu on my Inspiron 7500. When I switch from one application to another by clicking (say) on a Firefox window when Help is in the foreground, it takes many seconds before the newly selected application is available and the screen properly refreshed. I'm planning on installing Fedora. Is it likely to be any faster? Thanks, -J On Aug 11, 2008, at 9:36 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 21:07 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Another question: I tried Ubuntu on my Inspiron 7500, but context switching was so slow it drove me crazy. Will Fedora be any swifter? (Please don't top-post on mailing lists. It makes threads harder to read). +1 :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/oar https://oar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 - -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: To mount or not to mount, that's the question!
Daniel B. Thurman kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika tiistai, 12. elokuuta 2008): I am a bit confused. I have a small audio/video collection and it is placed in an NTFS file-system on a secondary disk, and I noticed that it is fusefs mounted into the /media directory. The problem for me, is that I am unable to set ownership and attributes (selinux) on this mounted file-system. Ownership and access control support on ntfs-3g requires setting up a file with Windows/Linux user and group ID mappings: http://pagesperso-orange.fr/b.andre/security.html SElinux labels aren't supported in ntfs-3g. -- Markku Kolkka [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Xvfb - desperate -- help needed... FIXED!!
On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 06:30 -0300, Paulo Cavalcanti wrote:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 12:33 AM, Ric Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 22:57 -0700, Tod Merley wrote:
but I gotta have the X11
applications features enabled (thus Xvfb)
Hi Ric!
The little I know of virtual frame buffers is that they are
used to
test hardware or provide a virtual KVM for an X client. I
think you
simply want to get X11 running. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xvfb
For that I would be looking at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and
/etc/X11/xorg.conf (along with /var/log/messages
and /var/log/dmesg).
I do hope you find what you need.
I tried the wikipedia example and got my old friend again:
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] log]# Xvfb :1
[1] 6791
[EMAIL PROTECTED] log]# xv -display :1
[2] 6793
[EMAIL PROTECTED] log]# AUDIT: Mon Aug 11 23:26:37 2008: 6791 Xvfb:
client 1
rejected from local host (uid 0)
Xlib: connection to :1.0 refused by server
Xlib: No protocol specified
xv: Can't open display
---
THAT kinda error is typical of that which busts my jewels.
Does anyone suppose that it's related to gdm?? Should I use
xdm?? Is
there some securetty config file to edit or something of that
nature??
Xvfb seems to want to work, but somehow gets rejected.
REFUSED! This
stick has beaten me for several months or more. I could use
some
relief! :) Ric
Ric,
read this:
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/NVidia/TV-OUT
Your error is there. I used to use something like this for connecting
my TV to :1. I call the script display.auth :
#!/bin/sh
# Allows the use of :1 for X.
# By default the file /tmp/.gdmxx is used.
# At each new session this script should be run.
#
xauth add $(/bin/hostname)/unix:1 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 \
$( xauth list | egrep $(/bin/hostname)/unix:0 | awk '{print $3}' )
Holy SMOKES cheers wildly THAT WORKS!! Is there someway to make
this behavior permanent in xauth?? I'll need to have Wonderland call up
X11 apps whenever it feels like it. Or maybe I'll get the Java folks to
study what you have figured out. I've been asking for this for months.
You have no idea the amount of intellectual bacon you just saved me!
Again, THANK YOU!! beaming with tears of relief and gratitude Ric
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Re: F8 vs F9
On Tuesday 12 August 2008 19:54, Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote: Em Ter 12 Ago 2008, Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED escreveu: I need to install a few new systems in the next few weeks. My requirements are: apache; C++ code development; netfilter; KDE; openvpn; and above all, stability. I have heard a rumor that I might be better off with F8 than F9. Is this true? I, for one, would stay with F8 and KDE 3.5.9 for a while. KDE 4.1 is now much better than KDE 4.0 released with F9, but it's still far from finished and much of the functionality of 3.5.9 is not available yet. Also, there are many really annoying bugs waiting for fixes. I'm currently using KDE 4.1 on F9, but if there was an easy way to go back to F8 and KDE 3.5.9, I certainly would. []'s Marcelo I'd downloaded the 6 cd iso's on dialup for Fedora 9, but hadn't got around to installing it, as there were updates waiting for other distros. I updated my Archlinux install, which was going to upgrade KDE 3.5.9 to KDE 4.1. Stupidly, looking back on it, I let the upgrade go ahead, and ended up with a KDE4 desktop that was virtually unuseable compared to my KDE 3.5.9 one. I could give a huge list of problems with KDE4, but the first that I noticed is that the sound had stopped working. That is a real no no for me, as the first thing I check on a new install is that the sound works. Going through the hoops a bit, I removed KDE4, and thankfully Archlinux has a kdemod repo, and I've been able to re-install KDE 3.5.9. I now have the desktop I'm used to, but still no sounds. I'm on the way to getting the sounds fixed though. I somehow I believe that Kubuntu/Ubuntu have dealt with KDE4 in the best way. Kubuntu Hardy Heron 8.04 has KDE 3.5.9 as default, but with the option of installing KDE4. That way you could install Hardy Heron with the default KDE 3.5.9, and if you have sufficient harddrive space, also install another instance of Hardy Heron, and install KDE4, and see how you get on with it. 2¢ worth of observations, and comments. Nigel. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Stripes on screen after installing Fedora
On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 12:04 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: Tim wrote: On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 19:17 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: In my Fedora 9 system it's /etc/xorg.conf. Not here. How odd. Maybe it depends on how the file is initially created? That sounds more like you've moved it out of the way. I would have known if I had done that. Is it actually being used? You don't need a configuration file, most of the time, these days. So the chances are that it's not being used. I had a problem with the resolution for a while, before Intel's driver got fixed, and fiddled a lot with xorg.conf to diagnose the problem, first through system-config-display and then by hand. I assure you that editing /etc/xorg.conf did affect the resolution. Bjorn, I told you that you couldn't update that 30 floppy install of Slackware to Fedora 9. :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/oar https://oar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 - -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Creating a local repository
On Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 22:07:49 -0400, Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, I know that someday I will get the command line too long message, and decided to create a repository. And it looks as if the While you might still want to do this, you probably won't be getting the command line too long message as that kernel limitation was fixed about a year ago. The space is still on the stack or heap, so there is a limit. But it's much larger now. And you can increase it if you need to. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: f9 kerneloops
On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 09:52 -0700, David L wrote: I noticed my f9 system was slow and checked CPU usage with top. top showed a process called kerneloops sucking 98% of the CPU. Is this normal? If not, what is one supposed to do to provide debugging info? Exactly the same thing happened to me. Killing the kerneloops program didn't cause a reduction in CPU activity; massive system activity was replaced by massive user activity, but I couldn't find out which process was responsible. Removing kerneloops -- rpm --erase kerneloops -- brought instant relief. What's going on? Any advice for investigation? Thanks - jon -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
FC9 installation sees SATA drives but not PATA
I want to install FC9 in place of my old Debian 4 I have one PATA three SATA hard drives and a SATA DVD-RW on a ASUS N1L64-SLI WS motherboard with the 0505 bios release IDE: /dev/hda1ntfs Windows vista boot /dev/hda2linux-swap /dev/hda3reiserfsdebian / SATA: /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 configured with LVM as RAID 1 mounted as /home /dev/sdc1 ntfs windows data drive The problem is that FC9 will not see the ide drive (/dev/hda) it does not show up in /proc/partitions I tried Fedora Live 8 with the same result, the kernel sees the SATA drives but not the IDE I have tried various boot parameters such as libata.dma=0 or ide=nodma I do not think it is a BIOS problem because I am running the older Linux just fine. Also, various live CD's such as Knopix and SLAX see all four drives. I can always add another SATA drive just for the Linux OS, but I would rather see this problem solved first. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: FC9 installation sees SATA drives but not PATA
Stephen Soliday wrote: I want to install FC9 in place of my old Debian 4 I have one PATA three SATA hard drives and a SATA DVD-RW on a ASUS N1L64-SLI WS motherboard with the 0505 bios release IDE: /dev/hda1ntfs Windows vista boot /dev/hda2linux-swap /dev/hda3reiserfsdebian / SATA: /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 configured with LVM as RAID 1 mounted as /home /dev/sdc1 ntfs windows data drive The problem is that FC9 will not see the ide drive (/dev/hda) it does not show up in /proc/partitions I tried Fedora Live 8 with the same result, the kernel sees the SATA drives but not the IDE I have tried various boot parameters such as libata.dma=0 or ide=nodma I do not think it is a BIOS problem because I am running the older Linux just fine. Also, various live CD's such as Knopix and SLAX see all four drives. I can always add another SATA drive just for the Linux OS, but I would rather see this problem solved first. Fedora changed how it see's hard drives in Fedora 8, all IDE and SATA drives are listed as /dev/sd* Regards, Seann -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F8 vs F9
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Nigel Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 12 August 2008 19:54, Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote: Em Ter 12 Ago 2008, Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED escreveu: I need to install a few new systems in the next few weeks. My requirements are: apache; C++ code development; netfilter; KDE; openvpn; and above all, stability. I have heard a rumor that I might be better off with F8 than F9. Is this true? I, for one, would stay with F8 and KDE 3.5.9 for a while. KDE 4.1 is now much better than KDE 4.0 released with F9, but it's still far from finished and much of the functionality of 3.5.9 is not available yet. Also, there are many really annoying bugs waiting for fixes. I'm currently using KDE 4.1 on F9, but if there was an easy way to go back to F8 and KDE 3.5.9, I certainly would. []'s Marcelo I'd downloaded the 6 cd iso's on dialup for Fedora 9, but hadn't got around to installing it, as there were updates waiting for other distros. I updated my Archlinux install, which was going to upgrade KDE 3.5.9 to KDE 4.1. Stupidly, looking back on it, I let the upgrade go ahead, and ended up with a KDE4 desktop that was virtually unuseable compared to my KDE 3.5.9 one. I could give a huge list of problems with KDE4, but the first that I noticed is that the sound had stopped working. That is a real no no for me, as the first thing I check on a new install is that the sound works. How exactly did you pair the problem of sound not working with KDE4 ? -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Ubuntu v Fedora on an Inspiron
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 7:02 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I doubt the problem you're seeing is related to Ubuntu specifically. It's more likely a configuration problem e.g. with the X drivers, or perhaps you're using Compiz and your video hardware isn't up to it. Or maybe you have a slow machine with only a small amount of RAM. It could be firefox specific...if he's running a firefox 3 prerelease or firefox 3 gold... There was an issue with firefox aggressively requesting a disk fsync to save state that appeared on linux late in the firefox 3 run up. Is this person running an affected firefox build on Ubuntu? I've no idea. In Fedora space this was addressed in an update package in F9. symptoms can appear as slow system response to the average user. So... as long as a F9 install is imediately updated before using the browser..or the install is done from the Unity respin that is available..you won't see this particular problem. For reference: http://shaver.off.net/diary/2008/05/25/fsyncers-and-curveballs/ The reference is a good read. I'm not saying this is the problem he's seeing... I'm just saying its a new sort of problem that cropped up recently. Generally speaking the video driver or acceleration issues you brought up are more likely to be the problem..especially if it still happens when firefox is not running. We'd need much more information from the original poster to be sure. -jef -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fixing or removing NetworkManager ??
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 7:55 AM, William Case [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shouldn't I be able to make commandline adjustments to network configurations (for ill or good) and still get NetworkManager to continue to operate, on my machine at least? If I made mistakes, shouldn't I, none-the-less, be able to correct them through the NetworkManager gui? I missed the original thread detailing how you munched your NM config..ill need to go back and read it. But quick answer for now on how you can work around this until i understand how you screwed up your NM config: system-config-network can be used in F9 if needed to configure devices using the legacy sysconfig network scripts. iit has a new setting to turn NM control of the device on or off per device. This gui toggle sets a new variable in the legacy networking scripts which get written down below /etc/sysconfig. The legacy network service..appropriately named 'network' must be turned on...for these configs to be parsed...the legacy service its off by default. If you have set the configs correct NM will ignore those devices and let the legacy service handle them. -jef -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F8 vs F9
Mark Haney wrote: Ed Greshko wrote: The answer is either yes, no, or maybe. And you get 10 points for asking one of the silliest questions I've seen asked her in quite some time. Why is it silly? Basically because it doesn't have enough detail. It doesn't tell us what versions of the particular software you need (feature requirements). Nor, does it go into any details about the rumor. So, that leaves everyone free to determine what the rumor is and base their responses on their interpretation. Also, the term stability is subject to interpretation as well. Then there is the life cycle question. Is Fedora really right for this project? Will the relatively quick release cycles for Fedora and the subsequent lack of updates present a problem in the future? And on, and on. I think it's personally a good one to ask especially where stability is concerned. We all know F9 is 'bleeding edge' or thereabouts and sometimes that's not acceptable for certain uses. Sure, he can purchase and enterprise level OS if he wants, but if he doesn't, why not ask that question. I think he's more asking 'Is F9 getting more stable now than at it's release?' than anything else. My $0.02, I think F9 would work fine at this point in it's lifecycle for what you are looking to do. It seems to be very stable with most everything you are asking about, although I don't do any development on it, nor use any VPN software. HTH. -- Tax reform means Don't tax you, don't tax me, tax that fellow behind the tree. -- Russell Long -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F8 vs F9
On Tuesday 12 August 2008 09:05:13 am Russell Miller wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 7:05 AM, Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to install a few new systems in the next few weeks. My requirements are: apache; C++ code development; netfilter; KDE; openvpn; and above all, stability. I have heard a rumor that I might be better off with F8 than F9. Is this true? Thanks, Mike. You know, those on this list may beat me up for this, but if you're looking for stability and least fuss, I'd suggest CentOS instead. As someone else pointed out, Fedora is for people who want to get their hands dirty and try out the bleeding edge - and it doesn't sound like that's what you're after. Guys, I'm not dissing you, just suggesting what I think is the right tool for the job. Not everything is a nail. :-) How do you install CentOS onto a pre-existing XFS partition? Thanks, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Problems running SH jobs using CRON
Hi there, I have two SH jobs I've always run manually in the past and would like to have them run once a week automatically using cron.. I looked on the internet for examples of running SH jobs and used crontab -e to create this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jeff]# cat /var/spool/cron/root 45 12 * * 0 root /bin/sh /home/jeff/jeffbkup.sh 11 3 * * 6 root /home/jeff/rsynchbkup.sh When each scheduled job fires off, I get an email from Cron_Daemon with this message: /bin/sh: root: command not found This endeavor seemed pretty straight forward and after adding /bin to my path and still getting the above message, I'm kinda stumped now. Any suggestions or any more info I can offer? Thanks! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fixing or removing NetworkManager ??
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Jeff Spaleta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I missed the original thread detailing how you munched your NM config..ill need to go back and read it. But quick answer for now on how you can work around this until i understand how you screwed up your NM config: Okay I've caught up. NM does NOT make use of most of the information set through system-config-network usage nor any information you manually set in the ifcfg-* scripts. These are legacy network controls and there are provided explicitly because the developers of NM know..full well..that NM is not feature complete for all network needs. The are working on it. My gut feeling is you are primarily confused because you are expecting NM to read the legacy network configs..and they don't. It's not clear to me that you made any changes to NM's configs..i saw you attempting to edit the legacy configs and resulting confusion. Before we get into specifics as to what you should or should not be doing to configure to make NM useful for you again.. I need to understand what your network topology and a succint and completely english-with no numbers or urls-description of what you are trying to do with your network set up. For example... NM works perfectly fine for my very mundane network topologies I have to work with. At home I have an off-the-shelf lan router which acts as both dns and dhcp... NM works just fine there wired and wireless. I even vpn into work no problems. At work I have another dhcp server configuration to deal with, nothing fancy..things just work..wired and wireless. So I need to understand what inspired you to make manual changes at all..before I can attempt to direct you on what to do. I'm also probably going to need to review several of your network related scripts down in /etc/sysconfig And no..you can't just remove NM..dont even try..you'll just get into deep deep trouble. -jef -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Problems running SH jobs using CRON
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:04:00 -0400, jeff goudie wrote: Hi there, I have two SH jobs I've always run manually in the past and would like to have them run once a week automatically using cron.. I looked on the internet for examples of running SH jobs and used crontab -e to create this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jeff]# cat /var/spool/cron/root 45 12 * * 0 root /bin/sh /home/jeff/jeffbkup.sh 11 3 * * 6 root /home/jeff/rsynchbkup.sh When each scheduled job fires off, I get an email from Cron_Daemon with this message: /bin/sh: root: command not found This endeavor seemed pretty straight forward and after adding /bin to my path and still getting the above message, I'm kinda stumped now. Any suggestions or any more info I can offer? Thanks! Reread the crontab manual page. User's crontabs have only six (!) fields, not seven. Only the global /etc/crontab has seven fields. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Problems running SH jobs using CRON
Michael Schwendt wrote: On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:04:00 -0400, jeff goudie wrote: Hi there, I have two SH jobs I've always run manually in the past and would like to have them run once a week automatically using cron.. I looked on the internet for examples of running SH jobs and used crontab -e to create this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jeff]# cat /var/spool/cron/root 45 12 * * 0 root /bin/sh /home/jeff/jeffbkup.sh 11 3 * * 6 root /home/jeff/rsynchbkup.sh When each scheduled job fires off, I get an email from Cron_Daemon with this message: /bin/sh: root: command not found This endeavor seemed pretty straight forward and after adding /bin to my path and still getting the above message, I'm kinda stumped now. Any suggestions or any more info I can offer? Thanks! Reread the crontab manual page. User's crontabs have only six (!) fields, not seven. Only the global /etc/crontab has seven fields. Also, if you want them run only one a week, you might just put a script to run them in /etc/cron.weekly unless you need better control over when they run. -- Kevin J. Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User #1232 (http://counter.li.org) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Problems running SH jobs using CRON
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 1:04 PM, jeff goudie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jeff]# cat /var/spool/cron/root 45 12 * * 0 root /bin/sh /home/jeff/jeffbkup.sh 11 3 * * 6 root /home/jeff/rsynchbkup.sh When each scheduled job fires off, I get an email from Cron_Daemon with this message: /bin/sh: root: command not found Remove the word 'root' from both lines? I'm not positive, but if the two scripts have the proper #!/bin/sh line in them, putting /bin/sh in the crontab line should also be unnecessary. Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Problems running SH jobs using CRON
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Dave Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 1:04 PM, jeff goudie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jeff]# cat /var/spool/cron/root 45 12 * * 0 root /bin/sh /home/jeff/jeffbkup.sh 11 3 * * 6 root /home/jeff/rsynchbkup.sh When each scheduled job fires off, I get an email from Cron_Daemon with this message: /bin/sh: root: command not found Remove the word 'root' from both lines? I'm not positive, but if the two scripts have the proper #!/bin/sh line in them, putting /bin/sh in the crontab line should also be unnecessary. Dave That's correct. The lines should work like this: 45 12 * * 0 /home/jeff/jeffbkup.sh 11 3 * * 6 /home/jeff/rsynchbkup.sh ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 and nVidia Quadro NVS 140 M
On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 12:00 -0400, Chris Snook wrote: Matthew Saltzman wrote: Is anyone running this combination with either the nv driver or the binary nvidia driver? Are there any issues--in particular with suspend or hibernate and resume? I have a ThinkPad T61 with this card. I'd like to know before I upgrade that I will still be able to suspend/resume. Every case I've ever heard of suspend/resume problems with that hardware was fixed by installing the nvidia driver. If you're comfortable running that, you should be okay. I do run the binary drivers in F8. Suspend works, but hibernate doesn't. I just wanted confirmation that it was at least that good in F9. Thx. -- Chris -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: time/ntp[d]
On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 10:32 -0400, Todd Denniston wrote: The time-of-year (TOY)* or BIOS clock is THE hardware clock in MOST PC equipment, and yes it is usually backed up by a battery. I've seen some PCs where it's *only* run off the battery. i.e. There is no mains supplied power to the clock when the PC is running. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Problems running SH jobs using CRON
Thanks for everbody's help! Both jobs ran after removing root as suggested. Thanks agan! On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Aldo Foot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Dave Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 1:04 PM, jeff goudie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jeff]# cat /var/spool/cron/root 45 12 * * 0 root /bin/sh /home/jeff/jeffbkup.sh 11 3 * * 6 root /home/jeff/rsynchbkup.sh When each scheduled job fires off, I get an email from Cron_Daemon with this message: /bin/sh: root: command not found Remove the word 'root' from both lines? I'm not positive, but if the two scripts have the proper #!/bin/sh line in them, putting /bin/sh in the crontab line should also be unnecessary. Dave That's correct. The lines should work like this: 45 12 * * 0 /home/jeff/jeffbkup.sh 11 3 * * 6 /home/jeff/rsynchbkup.sh ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
PAN Failure -- Help
I am talking to you from my laptop (running F8 and pan-0.132-2.fc8) because my desktop (running F7 and pan-0.131-1.fc7) suddenly stopped working. When I start pan (under KDE), its GUI flashes briefly and then disappears. Other things, including Firefox and Apache seem fine so far. Thanks for your help. Mike. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: PAN Failure -- Help
MIKE - EMAIL IGNORED wrote: I am talking to you from my laptop (running F8 and pan-0.132-2.fc8) because my desktop (running F7 and pan-0.131-1.fc7) suddenly stopped working. When I start pan (under KDE), its GUI flashes briefly and then disappears. Other things, including Firefox and Apache seem fine so far. Thanks for your help. Mike. If you have not already, open a terminal window and try starting it in there and see if it will give your an error. It puts its config files in ~/.pan2 and there are some things in there that could be delete without it being and issue (cache) but others are a bit more trouble if you delete them. If you don't get an error I would try doing mv ~/.pan2 ~/.pan2.bad and then start it again and see if it works, if this makes it work, there is something in the .pan2 directory that disagrees with it. Roger -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
help on installing fedora 9 on external disk
Hi , I am planning to install fedora 9 on my external USB hard disk. right now my laptop is having windows vista. how do I manage vista when i unplug my USB hard disk because grub will be stored on external hard disk. I have a dvd with fedora 9 to install fedora 9 I should be able to work on fedora 9 when I plug in my external hard disk by providing options ( 1. fedora 9 2. windows vista ) when I plug out and reboot my laptop, it should automatically boot windows vista without any problem. I am very much worried what if fedora 9 installation corrupts my windows vista MBR. I appreciate any suggestions regarding this. Thanks, Ravi -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: PAN Failure -- Help
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:24:57 -0500, Roger Heflin wrote: MIKE - EMAIL IGNORED wrote: I am talking to you from my laptop (running F8 and pan-0.132-2.fc8) because my desktop (running F7 and pan-0.131-1.fc7) suddenly stopped working. When I start pan (under KDE), its GUI flashes briefly and then disappears. Other things, including Firefox and Apache seem fine so far. Thanks for your help. Mike. If you have not already, open a terminal window and try starting it in there and see if it will give your an error. It puts its config files in ~/.pan2 and there are some things in there that could be delete without it being and issue (cache) but others are a bit more trouble if you delete them. If you don't get an error I would try doing mv ~/.pan2 ~/.pan2.bad and then start it again and see if it works, if this makes it work, there is something in the .pan2 directory that disagrees with it. iv=ch Roger Thanks for this. Starting from a command line results in the dump below. Can anything be discerned from it? (I deleted the long memory map, which I will post if anyone thinks it would be useful.) I renamed the .pan directory as suggested, and pan then works. I guess if there is no better suggestion, I'll restore the .pan directory and start moving out files, starting with the latest modified (tomorrow at standard -0500). Mike. -- $ pan *** glibc detected *** pan: free(): invalid next size (normal): 0x0a4c07f0 *** === Backtrace: = /lib/libc.so.6[0x178df1] /lib/libc.so.6(cfree+0x90)[0x17c430] pan(UUCleanUp+0x1da)[0x81a510a] pan(_ZN3pan7Decoder7do_workEv+0x60c)[0x8176e6c] pan(_ZN3pan10WorkerPool6Worker18worker_thread_funcEPvS2_+0x12)[0x81a41a2] /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0[0x502f028] /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0[0x502d66f] /lib/libpthread.so.0[0xd2844b] /lib/libc.so.6(clone+0x5e)[0x1e180e] === Memory map: [...] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: help on installing fedora 9 on external disk
Ravi writes: Hi , I am planning to install fedora 9 on my external USB hard disk. right now my laptop is having windows vista. how do I manage vista when i unplug my USB hard disk because grub will be stored on external hard disk. I have a dvd with fedora 9 to install fedora 9 I should be able to work on fedora 9 when I plug in my external hard disk by providing options ( 1. fedora 9 2. windows vista ) when I plug out and reboot my laptop, it should automatically boot windows vista without any problem. I am very much worried what if fedora 9 installation corrupts my windows vista MBR. Try installing Grub on your external drive's master boot record, not your primary hard drive's MBR, and see if there's a BIOS setting that boots the system off the external USB drive, if one is present. In theory, if your BIOS cooperates, if your USB drive is plugged in, it will boot off the external drive's MBR, thus loading Grub. Unplug the drive, and the system will boot off the primary hard drive, as usual. pgpMgyXtr7qf5.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: help on installing fedora 9 on external disk
Ravi wrote: Hi , I am planning to install fedora 9 on my external USB hard disk. right now my laptop is having windows vista. how do I manage vista when i unplug my USB hard disk because grub will be stored on external hard disk. I have a dvd with fedora 9 to install fedora 9 I should be able to work on fedora 9 when I plug in my external hard disk by providing options ( 1. fedora 9 2. windows vista ) when I plug out and reboot my laptop, it should automatically boot windows vista without any problem. I am very much worried what if fedora 9 installation corrupts my windows vista MBR. I appreciate any suggestions regarding this. Thanks, Ravi One way to do it is to set up the USB drive so that it will boot when you select booting from a USB device in the BIOS. You tell the installer to put Grub on the MBR of the USB drive. You will have to change the drive mapping that Grub uses, but there is an option to do this at the end of the install. You want the USB drive to be drive 0, so that the mapping is correct when booting from it. It will not be drive 0 during the install, so the defaults will be wrong. I am not sure, but I think you still have to do an expert install in order for the installer to see and use the USB drive. The advantages to this are that you do not touch the built in drive, and you can plug the USB drive into another computer and boot from it. That way, you can take your Linux drive with you and run it on most other computers. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fixing or removing NetworkManager ??
Hi Jeff; I would appreciate the help getting things back to normal. On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 15:05 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Jeff Spaleta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I missed the original thread detailing how you munched your NM config..ill need to go back and read it. But quick answer for now on how you can work around this until i understand how you screwed up your NM config: Okay I've caught up. NM does NOT make use of most of the information set through system-config-network usage nor any information you manually set in the ifcfg-* scripts. These are legacy network controls and there are provided explicitly because the developers of NM know..full well..that NM is not feature complete for all network needs. The are working on it. My gut feeling is you are primarily confused because you are expecting NM to read the legacy network configs..and they don't. It's not clear to me that you made any changes to NM's configs..i saw you attempting to edit the legacy configs and resulting confusion. Yes, that is what happened. Before we get into specifics as to what you should or should not be doing to configure to make NM useful for you again.. I need to understand what your network topology and a succint and completely english-with no numbers or urls-description of what you are trying to do with your network set up. For example... NM works perfectly fine for my very mundane network topologies I have to work with. At home I have an off-the-shelf lan router which acts as both dns and dhcp... NM works just fine there wired and wireless. I even vpn into work no problems. At work I have another dhcp server configuration to deal with, nothing fancy..things just work..wired and wireless. Your description fits mine. I have a three computer home LAN; 1 dual boot running Fedora 9 + WindowsXP; 2nd running Ubuntu + WindowsXP and a 3rd running WindowsXp. The house was purchased completely wired with cat5 leading to a central router in the basement which in turn is connected to a cable modem leading out of the house. So I need to understand what inspired you to make manual changes at all..before I can attempt to direct you on what to do. What *inspired* me was that the time had come to learn about networking, from top to bottom; inside out. In the past, including the Fedora 9 installation, I understood only the rudiments of network setup and Internet connecting. I basically let whatever front ends that existed set the networks up for me. Anaconda seemed to have correctly installed NetworkManager for me when I did a fresh install of F9 A week or so ago I began to read various manuals, texts and tutorials, all of which dealt with a pre-NetworkManager world. The changes came about as a result of various experiments, tweaks and tries using the command line. This is in fact something I would like to do over the next few weeks until a understand more than just the basics. If this means NetworkManager is going to be in the way while I learn then I would like to temporarily remove it. I would like to end the learning process by re-introducing NetworkManager but only after learning the wheres and whyfors about its operation. I'm also probably going to need to review several of your network related scripts down in /etc/sysconfig ifcfg-eth0: # nVidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=dhcp HWADDR=00:1a:92:e5:dc:47 ONBOOT=yes DHCP_HOSTNAME=CASE NM_CONTROLLED=no TYPE=Ethernet #DNS1=192.168.1.1 DEVICE=lo IPADDR=127.0.0.1 NETMASK=255.0.0.0 NETWORK=127.0.0.0 # If you're having problems with gated making 127.0.0.0/8 a martian, # you can change this to something else (255.255.255.255, for example) BROADCAST=127.255.255.255 ONBOOT=yes NAME=loopback For various ifup-xx and ifdown-xx scripts let me know which ones you need. I will be happy to post any other information you need, including router data. And no..you can't just remove NM..dont even try..you'll just get into deep deep trouble. -jef -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.3 Evo.2.22.3.1, Emacs 22.2.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: help on installing fedora 9 on external disk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: snip The advantages to this are that you do not touch the built in drive, and you can plug the USB drive into another computer and boot from it. That way, you can take your Linux drive with you and run it on most other computers. if hardware compatibility is close enough. like graphics card, monitor, nic, hard drives, partitions. - -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIolS/+C4Bj9Rkw/wRAuFwAKC+2jKa/nH42Nb8nFmRH2OukqPkPwCcCPL6 fUKmuyR7quIbGx9diNfARjM= =ebHv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: The assignment of numerical addresses for Domain Names ??
On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 21:54:31 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 21:20 -0400, William Case wrote: When ARIN (American Registry for Internet Numbers or one of its clients, or any other IANA RIR) assigns a /8, or /16 number and registers a new domain name is there any rules, policy or usual practice in the assignment that gives a hint to the nature of the entity that has received a certain address? At what time the prefix could be used to tell the size of the allocation. The prefix determined whether the allocation was a class A, B or C (which correspond to /8, 16 and /24 respectively). Attempts were made to keep similar prefixes in the same area to keep routing table sizes down. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Sony videocam w/ USB
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bill Davidsen wrote: snip Any thoughts on getting data out of this without huge loss of picture quality? have you considered 'dcraw'? http://www.cybercom.net/~dcoffin/dcraw/ - -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIol0F+C4Bj9Rkw/wRAu4tAKCRnGdEcryvIuzc0VNi6W8pvQ0EQgCgxSs0 EZO0tKceSJFh4H2hBUe39GY= =sYVH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Ubuntu v Fedora on an Inspiron
On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 13:49 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: There was an issue with firefox aggressively requesting a disk fsync to save state that appeared on linux late in the firefox 3 run up. Good catch. I'd forgotten about that one. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
[Fedora-livecd-list] [PATCH] Handle yum api change so that conditional dict has only package names, not objects.
This is to resolve RH bug #458803 --- imgcreate/yuminst.py |4 ++-- 1 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a/imgcreate/yuminst.py b/imgcreate/yuminst.py index a7b04b6..628b0cd 100644 --- a/imgcreate/yuminst.py +++ b/imgcreate/yuminst.py @@ -103,8 +103,8 @@ class LiveCDYum(yum.YumBase): # dict so that things don't get pulled back in as a result # of them. yes, this is ugly. conditionals should die. for req, pkgs in self.tsInfo.conditionals.iteritems(): -if x in pkgs: -pkgs.remove(x) +if x.name in pkgs: +pkgs.remove(x.name) self.tsInfo.conditionals[req] = pkgs else: logging.warn(No such package %s to remove %(pkg,)) -- 1.5.5.2 -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Fedora-livecd-list mailing list Fedora-livecd-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-livecd-list
Re: [Fedora-livecd-list] [PATCH] Handle yum api change so that conditional dict has only package names, not objects.
On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 08:48 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote: This is to resolve RH bug #458803 This ends up breaking compatibility with older yum, which isn't really acceptable. Also, the right thing is to fix yum to *not* change its API/ABI -- not to adjust every caller to handle the fallout Jeremy -- Fedora-livecd-list mailing list Fedora-livecd-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-livecd-list
