Fedora Board IRC meeting 1800 UTC 2008-09-09
The Board is holding its monthly public meeting on Tuesday, 9 September 2008, at 1800 UTC on IRC Freenode. The public is invited to do the following: * Join #fedora-board-meeting to see the Board's conversation. This channel is read-only for non-Board members. * Join #fedora-board-public to discuss topics and post questions. This channel is read/write for everyone. The moderator will direct questions from the #fedora-board-public channel to the Board members at #fedora-board-meeting. This should limit confusion and ensure our logs are useful to everyone. The Board has set aside one meeting of each month as a public town hall style meeting. We are *still* hoping to hold an audio-based meeting at some point in the near future using some of the new resources being developed by the Infrastructure team. More news on this will be forthcoming. We look forward to seeing you at the meeting. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-announce-list mailing list fedora-announce-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list
Re: [Echo] New system-network-control icon set
Quoting Martin Sourada [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi from FUDCon, I've just finished new system-network-control icon set. The metaphor is based on what I've found when looking for network control on google images. I attach PNG, SVG is way too big, so you can get it on my fp.o page [1]. Minor issue of the globle on 256x256 icon. Monitor and the global are hard to distinguish on extra small icon. Perhaps adding outline on the globe might help . -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[Issue 43029] support PS-OpenType/OTF/(SFNT with CFF) fonts for PDF export and printing
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=43029 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Sep 6 22:19:58 + 2008 --- Support for OTF (with CFF) is a must. Hope soon have some certain good news about it. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 453017] Review Request: un-extra-fonts - Korean TrueType fonts
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=453017 --- Comment #27 from Dennis Jang [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-09-06 21:25:41 EDT --- cvs done. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 453017] Review Request: un-extra-fonts - Korean TrueType fonts
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=453017 --- Comment #28 from Dennis Jang [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-09-06 21:29:44 EDT --- (In reply to comment #27) cvs done. So sorry, un-core-fonts is cvs done. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
Test fedora-release packages for F8 and F9
http://togami.com/~warren/fedora/fedora-release-8-5.transitiontest1.noarch.rpm http://togami.com/~warren/fedora/fedora-release-9-3.transitiontest1.noarch.rpm Test fedora-release packages pointing at the newkey update repos. Attached are sha1sums GPG clearsigned by my personal GPG keyid 54A2ACF1. Some cursory tests have indicated that no typos are in these new .repo files. Please test these and report if you see any errors. The F9 version seems to work fine with yum, but unfortunately it exposes one or more nasty bugs in PackageKit so we likely need more work before updates can go live. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/rel-eng/2008-September/001702.html http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/rel-eng/2008-September/001704.html Discussion ensues about our options for the F9 PackageKit problem... http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/rel-eng/2008-August/001627.html These packages are drafts the first fedora-release of the newrepo process. After this has settled in we will push another fedora-release in the newrepo signed by the newkey in order to complete the transition and eliminate the old repos from the user's system. Warren Togami [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 b2938496b2f57b0b8340c436aac4064802d5b9c6 fedora-release-8-5.transitiontest1.noarch.rpm bf9338d4f04dcdf733946ded9d375f7631383187 fedora-release-8-5.transitiontest1.src.rpm d9d26a1061079bf4580a892d668ae569cafe8081 fedora-release-9-3.transitiontest1.noarch.rpm f01c1749470a7e296408ab6338857e326fe6457e fedora-release-9-3.transitiontest1.src.rpm -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkjCMVcACgkQa93+jlSirPFLrQCfbAgUaumBGWy5YfDOc8Sbn6l3 W6MAnj501zCkRN3Jb+JM0+YdAQsHjfFr =ftuj -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
archives on secondary1
quick sanity check. archives.fp.o is on secondary1.fp.o, right? There are 2 separate rsyncd.conf files in puppet, one for archives, one for secondary. Given they land at the same place on the same machine, only the one for secondary is actually in effect. If they're going to be on the same machine, we need to merge them. yes? Thanks, Matt -- Matt Domsch Linux Technology Strategist, Dell Office of the CTO linux.dell.com www.dell.com/linux ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: archives on secondary1
On Sat, 6 Sep 2008, Matt Domsch wrote: quick sanity check. archives.fp.o is on secondary1.fp.o, right? There are 2 separate rsyncd.conf files in puppet, one for archives, one for secondary. Given they land at the same place on the same machine, only the one for secondary is actually in effect. If they're going to be on the same machine, we need to merge them. yes? Correct. I only copied the files from the old archives box to the new one and forgot to merge the configs. -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: archives on secondary1
On Sat, Sep 06, 2008 at 10:05:05AM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: On Sat, 6 Sep 2008, Matt Domsch wrote: quick sanity check. archives.fp.o is on secondary1.fp.o, right? There are 2 separate rsyncd.conf files in puppet, one for archives, one for secondary. Given they land at the same place on the same machine, only the one for secondary is actually in effect. If they're going to be on the same machine, we need to merge them. yes? Correct. I only copied the files from the old archives box to the new one and forgot to merge the configs. no worries, it's done now. They're all in secondary's config. -- Matt Domsch Linux Technology Strategist, Dell Office of the CTO linux.dell.com www.dell.com/linux ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: is it possible to create an orphaned process?
On 05Sep2008 19:40, Konstantin Svist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I have an odd application that has threads which hang around until all | child processes have finished executing. | I'd like to create a background process that isn't a child of said | thread, so that the thread can exit. Fork twice when you make the children. The immediate child should exit. The grandchild should exec your child process. Since its parent exited (the imediate child) it becomes inherited by init. Your main process will be fine. However, I would dig a bit into why the threads hang around (if you have the source, or can play with strace and lsof). Why? Because it is possible for a process to have children unknowingly. Like this: sleep 3600 # makes sleep a child of the current process exec your-app ... # now you app has sleep as a child Provided you started the app itself as a child (no exec) you're fine. Just something to keep in mind. Cheers, -- Cameron Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] DoD#743 http://www.cskk.ezoshosting.com/cs/ There's no trick to being a humorist when you have the whole government working for you.- Will Rogers -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Dell OptiPlex 745 reboot problem -- BIOS update went poorly
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 05.09.2008 23:51, Johnathan Hegge a écrit : Starting up looks fine, all services showed OK. Gets to local, X starts and the box freezes at the spinning dots with a frozen mouse. Can't break with Ctrl-Alt-Del or Ctrl-Backspace. seems that X is stuck. Hard power, restart, interactive init. Allow all, but skip local. X starts fine. rc.local contains: #!/bin/sh # # This script will be executed *after* all the other init scripts. # You can put your own initialization stuff in here if you don't # want to do the full Sys V style init stuff. touch /var/lock/subsys/local nothing Reset BIOS to defaults for kicks, no change. I have a PCI Express graphics card, ATI x1300 installed. Disable selinux and retry. - -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 44 55 35 61 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIwiRCdE6C2dhV2JURAv/nAJ96d1i3O3qc7Xep5OniyrcOjiJW9QCePq9/ uzeXKu1bbTMjivMI39dC078= =xXo3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Fwd: Fedora 8 and 9 updates status]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul W. Frields wrote: snip As a reminder, the fedora-announce-list is *extremely* low traffic and it's highly recommended that if you bother with any of our lists at all, you should subscribe to it too: http://redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list why not expose readers to *all* available with; http://redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/ - -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIwiW8+C4Bj9Rkw/wRAk8nAKCsTrCChSSPX2ehtq/d/ggAUisv2gCdGc1c jh14ibBhIV3ChsHCKvovzLw= =/Y/Q -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
nvidia quadro 135m issues - fc9
I have a problem which I was hoping someone could send me in the right direction. I have a nvidia quadro 135m working with the latest driver from the nvidia site on fc9, but occasionally my screen will flicker, even when the screen is idle. Additionally any time I have the laptop docked using dual screens my they will both display very chopped up pictures and machine will freeze to the point of having to hard boot it. Any insight/help/thoughts/flames are much appreciated. -- This is an email sent via The Fedora Community Portal https://fcp.surfsite.org https://fcp.surfsite.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=287636topic_id=61173forum=10#forumpost287636 If you think, this is spam, please report this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and/or blame [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Reasons behind defaulting atd and sendmail
On 05Sep2008 18:32, Michael Cronenworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You continuously explain what *you* do with your system, but have yet to give a wider, more useful reason for enabling sendmail and atd at startup. Gah. Wake up. It doesn't matter what one of _us_ does with our system, it matters that the system is there at all in a functional sense. UNIX is a multiprocess system. _Any_ system process may wish to schedule an activity for later, or report on stuff by email. atd and sendmail are the standard way these things are done on UNIX. If they are not there, things will not work. The pretty Gnomic scheduley thing uses cron underneath. Cron reports by sendmail! Because it should not need anything else, and if you disable it at boot it needs something else! That's really stupid. Thunderbird is in many ways a slightly broken app in that it requires the user to configure mail dispatch. Mail dispatch is a _general_ facility, used be every facility on the system, and every user. You configure it once for the system, not once per user, per app! That's insane. Configuring mail is a _system_ thing, just like configuring the clock and configuring the network. It is _not_ an app or user thing. atd should live, so anything can schedule one off tasks, just like crond should be live so anything can schedule repeating tasks and sendmail/postfix/qmail/whatever should be live so anything can send email, just like the X11 server should be live so you can run your apps and live the kernel should be live so it can all work. atd and sendmail are basic services. Just because _you_ don't realise or understand that _everything_ should be able to expect their presence doesn't mean they shouldn't be there. -- Cameron Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] DoD#743 http://www.cskk.ezoshosting.com/cs/ Do you think that you're right and I'm wrong? How naive if you do... - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Script Test [OT]
This is OT, but perhaps someone knows an answer. Is there a way a script can determine which computer it is running on and refuse to run if it is on the wrong computer? if [ some case ]; then run else don't run fi -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Script Test [OT]
On Sat, Sep 06, 2008 at 02:27:27AM -0600, kwhiskerz wrote: This is OT, but perhaps someone knows an answer. Is there a way a script can determine which computer it is running on and refuse to run if it is on the wrong computer? if [ some case ]; then if [ $(hostname -s) = puter ]; then echo running fi Or, for multiple cases: case $(hostname -s) in ws*) do_something ;; db*|app*) do_other ;; esac -- lfr 0/0 pgp2CXYlUmOh1.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Secrecy and user trust
From: Anders Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 2008, September 05 13:12 * jdow [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20080905 20:52]: From: Anders Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 2008, September 05 00:50 * jdow [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20080905 08:56]: Suppose I have NO RedHat installed. I have no working computer near me. I want to install Fedora 9. How do I establish the ability to subject the packages to tests for being properly signed, that the key used in the test is correct, and that I am reading and updating from a legitimate mirror? In this event you are likely installing from physical media, which will have the public key on it already. If you do not trust that media - why are you installing from it? Where did I get the media? How do I establish the chain of trust? Perhaps I downloaded with an old copy of Red Hat 4.0 I had laying around. If trust can be established from zero then it can happen again. You had no OS installed - so where did you get the media from? The only thing that matters at this point is whether you do, or not, trust the media you are installing from? If you do - then you will have a good key on the media that will validate updates later. I probably should have said no OS new enough to have been signed. That is why I amplified it to the old copy of RH4 or maybe a really antique Slackware. The idea is that I had something via which I could initialize the bootstrap process - barely. Basically I had to trust that when I logged into download.fedora... that I went to the right place and nobody in the middle was in a position to futz the results. If I was paranoid I could then go to several of the other mirror sites and perform downloads of at least the signatures to see if they were bit copies of each other. I could, with enough work, establish trust. I can, if needed, do that again. Poof - much discussion about nothing new. It's all old well covered territory. Once you have installed the system - the updates you are pulling down will be verified with the key that was on the media - unless you actively go and switch off the gpg checking. If I am actually going to the right mirrors and not a setup of fast flux servers full of malware that will be true. Mu. The Fedora installation media installs repo configs that point to the Fedora projects servers. Your comment indicates that you believe your ISP and the DNS servers you use are compromised. At this point - all bets are off. As others have already pointed out - it's a question of trust. At some point or other - you have to decide what you trust. If you do not trust something, do not use it (and then live with the consequences of that choice). Exactly. This is the point. If I can proceed from zero and establish trust once I can do it again. So I am unclear over what the problem in that regard can be such that it would stall the process of getting rolling again. I can see other items causing a hitch in the gitalong. But I cannot see any means other than trusting my DNS server and the routers between download.fedora.redhat.com and me. If I could trust them once I can trust them again. So the focus of this thread is wrong. It should be more along the lines of How can a company that uses RPM and signed packages arrange to have the packages multiply signed so that both an old obsolete key works and a new key works? THAT is probably not a simple problem. I also suspect it is not something considered in designing rpm itself or the distribution system. This is what the infrastructure team have been working on, and reading the fedora-devel list should give answers to the plans that they have. It would appear that you can only sign a package with a single key at a time. I just tested it. Of course, if you think about it an RPM that will accept multiple signatures would also have to have a proper signature revocation protocol involved. But how does that prevent someone who has compromised the key from issueing a revoke and a new key that is next used to sign a full set of forged RPMs? I imagine the Fedora and Red Hat fellows have their hands seriously full figuring out how they are going to handle the whole process. [snip] If trust can be established once, it can be establised again the same way as many times as needed. So the discussion needs to move to what may be the REAL problem. Can an rpm be signed with multiple keys in any meaningful way so that people pre-update can still grab the key updates and compare files prior to a specific date against the old key while new files compare against the new key. It appears the answer is no. Only one signature at a time. This is one of the problems the infrastructure team have been wrestling with. If THAT can be done it seems like both this discussion and the delay are somewhat spurious, right? It would appear the discussion is not entirely spurious. ;-) Large chunks of the discussion have bypassed the main problems in flights of trust fantasy. They established
Re: is it possible to create an orphaned process?
On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:40:32 -0700 Konstantin Svist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have an odd application that has threads which hang around until all child processes have finished executing. I'd like to create a background process that isn't a child of said thread, so that the thread can exit. Can this be done cleanly? Yes man 3 daemon -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Dell OptiPlex 745 reboot problem -- BIOS update went poorly
Changing the subject like that is normally a very good way to make sure I won't spot your reply... Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:51:59 -0500 From: Johnathan Hegge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dell OptiPlex 745 reboot problem -- BIOS update went poorly To: fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Got tons of Dell Optiplex 7XX, had that exact problem. Solution is two-step: 1. Flash up the bios. The ones they're shipped with suck bigtime. 2. Add the kernel parameter reboot=bios to all kernel lines in /boot/grub/menu.lst Solved it for us. -BT Ugh, I was having the same problem with my 745. So, I drug out a USB floppy and applied the latest BIOS -- going from 2.3.1 to 2.6.2 from Dell. Whoops. Starting up looks fine, all services showed OK. Gets to local, X starts and the box freezes at the spinning dots with a frozen mouse. Can't break with Ctrl-Alt-Del or Ctrl-Backspace. Hard power, restart, interactive init. Allow all, but skip local. X starts fine. rc.local contains: NOTHING 1. Did you apply the reboot=bios setting as well? 2. Did you try more than once, with the new bios? What you're describing sounds more like a fluke, or at least a problem unrelated to the bios update. There's nothing in your rc.local, thus nothing there which should make a difference. Reapply the most recent bios, set the kernel boot parameter, and give it a few more tries to check. -BT -- Bjørn Tore Sund Phone: 555-84894 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IT department VIP: 81724 Support: http://bs.uib.no Univ. of Bergen When in fear and when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Jack Audio Not Working
Hello Chris, What soundcard are you using? Could you post the output of cat /proc/asound/cards? And the options with which you fire up jackd? Jeremy Chris Spencer wrote: I'm unable to hear any audio using the Jack server. I've followed the guide at http://www.passback.org.uk/music/fedora-music-intro/ and everything seems to work, except that I don't hear anything. If I connect VKeybd to ZynAddSubFX using QJackCtl, then hitting keys in VKeybd causes the decibels to spike in ZynAddSubFX, so I think Jack is working but it's output isn't getting to ALSA. Another interesting point is that while Jack's running, I can't play music in any other apps (Audacious, VLC, Timidity, etc). However, as soon as I stop Jack, sound returns. Is this a bug somewhere, or could I have something mis-configured? Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Chris -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fetchmail + Sendmail for local users ??
Arun Shrimali wrote: I am planning to setup fetchmail + sendmail so that I can fetch mails from remote server for few users and they can access mail through outlook express or squirrel mail. Is the combination right ?? where can I get the how to about this combination ?? I have googled but ... I do this, with cron jobs to run fetchmail from the different mail servers every few minutes. Actually, I save the email on one machine, and use IMAP (dovecot) to read it on various laptops. There might be something about this on Brennan's home server tutorial at http://www.brennan.id.au/. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Regarding Fedora core 7
On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 17:36 +0530, winiston wrote: Can you provide the VGA driver for Fedora core 7? How to make it works? Fedora 7 no longer supported. End of Life Upgrade to Fedora 8 or 9 Frank -- gpg id EB547226 Revoked Forgot Password :( aMSN: Frankly3D http://www.frankly3d.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fetchmail + Sendmail for local users ??
From: Arun Shrimali [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, 2008, September 06 03:15
Dear All,
I have a remote mail server and domain where all our mails are received.
Locally I have a squid proxy server (non transparent) (on FC6) behind a
router through which my local users access the Internet as well as mails
(browser based client).
Problem :
Few of my users receives huge amount of mails, thus slow net connectivity
irritates them to check mails. I don't want to call all the mails on my
local server as few of the staff members wants to access mails from
different geographical locations.
Solution ??:
I am planning to setup fetchmail + sendmail so that I can fetch mails from
remote server for few users and they can access mail through outlook
express
or squirrel mail.
Is the combination right ?? where can I get the how to about this
combination ?? I have googled but ...
I keep a locked down sendmail running locally for log messages. It does
nothing else.
I use fetchmail on about 6 different accounts for two different people.
Fetchmail feeds procmail. It could feed almost anything else, too.
procmail performs the delivery. Along the way it cycles the email
through SpamAssassin with the clamav plugin for SA. The use of procmail
ensures I get the precise markup that SpamAssassin applies and not some
bowlderized version. It also allows me to play games and upon receipt
of email from clients play a short sound file. (I admit that I do strange
things.)
That all gets the mail into /var/spool/mail/account name. I then have
DoveCot installed (with POP3S and IMAPS) enabled. OutlookExpress speaks
to POP3S for grabbing mail and IMAPS for stuffing spam into a special
folder that is periodically fed to the salearn program for Bayes
training.
I use per user fetchmail. The .fetchmailrc typically looks like:
===8---
defaults mda /usr/bin/procmail -d jdow
#set postmaster jdow
set syslog
set postmaster
set no bouncemail
set no spambounce
set properties
#set daemon 60
#set logfile fetchmail_el.log
poll smtp.earthlink.net with proto POP3
user 'jdow' there with password 'ZUBFUSHIES IF YOU THINK THIS IS REAL'
is '[EMAIL PROTECTED] MY MACHINE' here options pass8bits
smtpaddress ' '
===8---
The poll like is repeated as needed.
The guts of the .procmailrc file looks like this including a few nice
goodie ideas.
===8---
#
# Necessary generic definitions
#
SHELL=/bin/sh
DROPPRIVS=yes
#VERBOSE=yes
## This is used when testing the file so that nothing is lost.
## rawmbox is no longer needed at this time.
#:0c: clone.lock
##* ^List-Id: .*(spamassassin\.apache\.org)
#$HOME/mail/rawmbox
#
# Then we install some deaths and diversions
#
:0:
* ^From: AntiSpam UOL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
#/dev/null
$HOME/mail/uol_crap
##
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}
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* 49
{
:0 hc
$HOME/mm/headers
:0 hfw: spamassassin.lock
| cat - mail_dummy | /usr/bin/spamc -t 150 -u jdow
}
===8---
For reference I use SpamAssassin with per user rules. Both my partner and I
write rules as needed.
I hope this helps.
{^_^}Joanne
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Re: Fetchmail + Sendmail for local users ??
From: Timothy Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, 2008, September 06 03:32
Arun Shrimali wrote:
I am planning to setup fetchmail + sendmail so that I can fetch mails
from
remote server for few users and they can access mail through outlook
express
or squirrel mail.
Is the combination right ?? where can I get the how to about this
combination ?? I have googled but ...
I do this, with cron jobs to run fetchmail from the different mail servers
every few minutes.
Why bother with a cron job. Fetchmail itself has a daemon mode. Use it.
{^_^}
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Re: When the floodgates open ...
From: Timothy Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, 2008, September 06 04:21
When updates re-appear, will we have to do anything more
than say yum update?
Will we (common-or-garden users) have to do anything
to validate or accept the new key?
Good questions. I wonder if the infrastructure folks have figured
that out yet or not.
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Re: Can't switch to KDE
On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 08:26 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 16:35 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 15:07 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 09:39 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 18:46 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 15:47 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 14:22 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 20:35 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote: Can't one just edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop , or doesn't that work any more? It does work and has been mentioned here several times in the past. Note that F9 doesn't seem to include the file by default so you have to create it, and of course know what to put in it. For KDE: #!/bin/sh DESKTOP=KDE DISPLAYMANAGER=KDE poc That does not work on my machine. What does not work mean? What exactly happens? Have you restarted X after makimg the above changes? It's not enough just to log out and in again since you want to change the display manager (not just the window manager). init 3 init 5 from a console should do the trick. Not work means when I login I get GNOME not KDE. What do you think of .Xclient-default? You mean .Xclients-default? It just seems to execute startkde on my system. That won't change the display manager either. Actually running startkde does change the display manager. According to http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-runtime/userguide/kde-startup-sequence.html : The KDE startup sequence starts with the startkde script. In most cases this script gets called from the display manager (kdm) once the user has been authenticated. Which is how switchsession is supposed to work. You just want to change the display manager for thew one user not the whole machine. I think you're confused about what the display manager does. Note that you can also run KDE under gdm, the Gnome Display Manager. This is why /etc/sysconfig/desktop is not a candidate for the job. So how come it works for me and apparently many other people? poc You are partially right. Reread message replacing display manager by window manager. Sorry for the mistake. OK, rereading it with substitution we get: Actually running startkde does change the window manager ... Which is how switchsession is supposed to work. You just want to change the window manager for the one user not the whole machine To be pedantic, switchdesk (not switchsession) doesn't explicitly change the window manager, it changes the desktop (which usually will change the window manager implicitly). However that's immaterial. If you look at what it does -- it's a Shell script so you can read it -- it just sets up some initialization files for the next user session. In the case of KDE, the initialization file simply searches for startkde in a number of standard places. Since you say that startkde works for you when run from a terminal, I'm at a loss to understand why this doesn't just work unless it's a bug in startkde itself. But you are wrong that the contents of /etc/sysconfig/desktop controls which window manager is booted when you login. Which is what I wanted to do. That does not work for anyone. Doesn't work for anyone? I'm telling you (again) that it works for me, and I think it also works for other people. Perhaps you meant it doesn't work for *everyone*, which is why we're discussing this. poc Look, we have been at this too long. switchdesk changes the file .Xclient-defaults but that file is not sourced on my machine. If you know how to get it sourced when you login I will be glad to learn something new. -- === Each of us bears his own Hell. -- Publius Vergilius Maro (Virgil) === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fetchmail + Sendmail for local users ??
jdow wrote: I do this, with cron jobs to run fetchmail from the different mail servers every few minutes. Why bother with a cron job. Fetchmail itself has a daemon mode. Use it. Thanks, I didn't know about that. I'm trying it now (fetchmail -d 300). Actually, I also fetch some mail by uucp, but I don't think this can be brought within the auspices of fetchmail? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fetchmail + Sendmail for local users ??
Dear All, It means that I have to configure fetchmail + dovecot and outlook or other client at local users PC. Please mention the howto of this combination if any body knows .. regards Arun On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Timothy Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arun Shrimali wrote: I am planning to setup fetchmail + sendmail so that I can fetch mails from remote server for few users and they can access mail through outlook express or squirrel mail. Is the combination right ?? where can I get the how to about this combination ?? I have googled but ... I do this, with cron jobs to run fetchmail from the different mail servers every few minutes. Actually, I save the email on one machine, and use IMAP (dovecot) to read it on various laptops. There might be something about this on Brennan's home server tutorial at http://www.brennan.id.au/. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- Arun Shrimali Sr. Manager (IT QS) Resonance +91 9413353335 www.resonance.ac.in *** -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fetchmail + Sendmail for local users ??
Arun Shrimali wrote: It means that I have to configure fetchmail + dovecot and outlook or other client at local users PC. Please mention the howto of this combination if any body knows .. I'm no expert, but I collect my email with fetchmail (and uucp, but that is almost certainly irrelevant) on one computer, helen. I run dovecot (a simple IMAP server) on helen, with Fedora's service dovecot. I read the email on any laptop with kmail, which allows IMAP accounts. The point of this (for me) is that the email remains on helen. The only things one needs to do is edit /etc/dovecot.conf , which is straightforward, and add an IMAP account on kmail which is also straightforward. It may all be described in the Brennan home server tutorial I mentioned before, at http://www.brennan.id.au/. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Fwd: Fedora 8 and 9 updates status]
Vis-a-vis Jesse Keating's forwarded note of 2008-09-05 10:08:
...
Today we've reached a major milestone in this progress. We have done a
successful compose of all the existing and as of yesterday pending
updates for Fedora 8 and Fedora 9, all signed with our new keys. These
updates will soon hit mirrors in a new set of directory locations.
What, pray tell, are the new locations? I have local mirrors of the
F{8,9} updates, since it takes less time to rsync the trees than to do
multiple yum updates over my slim Internet connection.
...
While we're working on this update, we'll also be drafting a FAQ page to
explain to users what it is that we're doing, and hopefully answer some
of the questions that will come up. ...
Where is that?
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Please save us from our
ignorance. Let's not be so busy making easy things trivial that we make
hard things an ordeal.
Joe
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Re: [Fwd: Fedora 8 and 9 updates status]
Vis-a-vis my note of 2008-09-06 07:53: ... A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Please save us from our ignorance. Let's not be so busy making easy things trivial that we make hard things an ordeal. ... This is a joke. I'm perfectly content to wait until the dust settles to modify my mirror setup. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Regarding Fedora core 7
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 5:06 AM, winiston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Respected Sir/Madam, My name is P.Winiston. I am working in Futura Automation Pvt Ltd as a RD Engineer. Technical problem: We are using Intel 852GME chipset with 6.4 Display. After installing the Fedora core 7, it support 800x600 resolution.But it is not supporting for 640x480 resolution. (ex : display gets banned) If i install Redhat Linux 5.0 ,it support for both 800x600 and 640x480 resolution. I want to use Fedora core7 with 640x480 resolution only. Can you provide the VGA driver for Fedora core 7? How to make it works? We are ready to pay money for your service. I would be very thankful if you do my needy. With Best Regards, Winiston.P Futura Automation Pvt Ltd. Have you tried using just the VESA driver or a lower color depth? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When the floodgates open ...
When updates resume, would anything show up in package kit and how would your sort of non geeky/technical user fix the problem- would this involve updating mirrors by hand in a file? *Travis Arnold* Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When the floodgates open ...
On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 11:53 -0400, Travis Arnold wrote: When updates resume, would anything show up in package kit and how would your sort of non geeky/technical user fix the problem- would this involve updating mirrors by hand in a file? *Travis Arnold* Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] No hand-jobs. New fedora-release* New fedora-release-notes* which will point to new updates. Frank -- gpg id EB547226 Revoked Forgot Password :( aMSN: Frankly3D http://www.frankly3d.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Reasons behind defaulting atd and sendmail
Michael Cronenworth wrote: Chris Tyler wrote: For sure. But the original statement it is true when configuration means configuration of the MTA or MUA. Let me clarify: In my case, on my desktop at work and on my home machines, I can do a default installation of Fedora and then send mail without knowing anything about the ISP. (Yes, I know that won't work for everyone, but it wfm in multiple settings). Some MUAs (mail included :-) send via sendmail by default; others require the user to specify sendmail for outbound mail. But when sendmail is selected in Evolution, no more configuration is required; when SMTP is selected, seven additional fields appear for the user to figure out (server, authentication, encryption, ...). Most USA ISPs block outgoing SMTP except through their SMTP server. Even if it is not blocked, again, *spam filters* will not accept your e-mail you sent from sendmail. You run into SPF requirements with some domains. I've stated this a few times already. I have personal experience with this (the domain I'm emailing from is just one example I could provide). That's great you arn't blocked and you don't send mail to people authenticating your IP address, but I promise you you are the minority. Well, my ISP blocks me, but Sendmail (or Postfix in my case) can still send mail. The thing is, you can configure Sendmail once, and all your users can then use Sendmail to send their mail without a lot of complicated setup of the SMPT server. Now, if you have users using different e-mail relay hosts, it does get a bit complicated to set up - I am not sure how common that is. I guess it might be easier to configure one MUA if you only have one user. But even then, it is also easy to add a local account to get system messages. If you don't at least check the logwatch reports, you do not know what is happening on your system. Kind of like driving a car, and never checking the oil, tire pressure, and ignoring the gages. I use 4 different ones myself. For example, all of the infinity-ltd.com go through my web host's mail server, and that is the only server authorized to send mail for that domain. (If you look at the MX record for infinity-ltd.com, it points to sslcatacombnetworks.net.) I also have Yahoo, Gmail, and my local network account. Until they closed, I also had a Mailtag account. So you end up using different relay hosts, depending on the From: e-mail address. But I don't think most people use more then one, so it is an easy setup. Once thing I have not looked at is if there is a GUI to configure Sendmail. Then again, I use Postfix instead. (I used to use Sendmail, and I was fairly good at configuring it.) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When the floodgates open ...
On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 17:02 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 11:53 -0400, Travis Arnold wrote: When updates resume, would anything show up in package kit and how would your sort of non geeky/technical user fix the problem- would this involve updating mirrors by hand in a file? *Travis Arnold* Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] No hand-jobs. New fedora-release* New fedora-release-notes* which will point to new updates. And as Jesse said in his announcement -- which I would ask that all people *read*: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-September/msg2.html ...we'll be putting together an explanatory document for how users can verify and accept the new key, and get the new updates. We are working to make it a relatively painless operation. Another announcement will follow with links to the finished documents on our wiki. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fetchmail + Sendmail for local users ??
jdow wrote:
From: Timothy Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, 2008, September 06 03:32
Arun Shrimali wrote:
Is the combination right ?? where can I get the how to about this
combination ?? I have googled but ...
I do this, with cron jobs to run fetchmail from the different mail
servers
every few minutes.
Why bother with a cron job. Fetchmail itself has a daemon mode. Use it.
{^_^}
Plus it also avoids trying to run two copies of Fetchmail if you
have a big e-mail download. One that last longer the the interval
between cron jobs.
Mikkel
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Re: Script Test [OT]
if [ some case ]; then if [ $(hostname -s) = puter ]; then echo running fi I'd check how the hostname command runs on your computer, See what happens on my F8 system: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ hostname confianza [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ hostname -s localhost [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ the -s option returns 'localhost' so it will never = the name of your computer. Dennis __ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! Regístrate ya - http://correo.yahoo.com.mx/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can't switch to KDE
On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 08:23 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: Look, we have been at this too long. Agreed. switchdesk changes the file .Xclient-defaults but that file is not sourced on my machine. If you know how to get it sourced when you login I will be glad to learn something new. And I've been trying to explain that I don't use switchdesk because I get the right result by editing /etc/sysconfig/desktop, which for some reason isn't working for you. I suspect that if you find out why switchdesk doesn't work for you, you will also find out why my method doesn't work for you. The answer may be to do with your X setup, not with switchdesk or /etc/sysconfig/desktop. This is what is supposed to happen on F9 (note that this has changed a bit since F8): Boot goes to state 5 ... which runs /etc/event.d/prefdm ... which runs /etc/X11/prefdm ... which consults /etc/sysconfig.desktop if present, and sets the desktop manager ... and then executes it. The desktop manager runs the login session ... then runs X as a child You might want to look at /var/log/messages to see what is actually happening. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Reasons behind defaulting atd and sendmail
Michael Cronenworth wrote: For sure. But the original statement it is true when configuration means configuration of the MTA or MUA. Let me clarify: In my case, on my desktop at work and on my home machines, I can do a default installation of Fedora and then send mail without knowing anything about the ISP. (Yes, I know that won't work for everyone, but it wfm in multiple settings). Some MUAs (mail included :-) send via sendmail by default; others require the user to specify sendmail for outbound mail. But when sendmail is selected in Evolution, no more configuration is required; when SMTP is selected, seven additional fields appear for the user to figure out (server, authentication, encryption, ...). Most USA ISPs block outgoing SMTP except through their SMTP server. Even if it is not blocked, again, *spam filters* will not accept your e-mail you sent from sendmail. You run into SPF requirements with some domains. I've stated this a few times already. I have personal experience with this (the domain I'm emailing from is just one example I could provide). I don't see how this has anything to do with whether you configure sendmail to send as required for the system or whether you configure every possible smtp sender and user agent separately to meet the requirements. If you ever have more than one sender, configuring sendmail once takes care of them all. If you ever work offline, sendmail will automatically queue and retry when the network is up. That's great you arn't blocked and you don't send mail to people authenticating your IP address, but I promise you you are the minority. Sendmail can be configured to send through an ISP relay - or pretty much anywhere, including using SMTP authentication and SSL. I'd agree that this is more difficult than necessary and should have the same fill-in-the-form GUI that an MUA would have for the same items, but not that the functionality isn't there or isn't needed. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Script Test [OT]
The problem is that both computers return hostname = localhost, so that won't work. IP address is not always possible, as the network might not be up, especially on the laptop. How would I check the HWaddress (MAC)? As ifconfig returns a whole list of things: 1.How can I isolate just 00:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in order to make a comparision? 2.How do I make this comparison in bash? I guess this value must be a string? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Reasons behind defaulting atd and sendmail
Michael Cronenworth wrote: If you don't use email, why are you using computers again? And if you do, you've provided exactly this information to one or several email client programs. Doing it once for sendmail lets any number of users run any number of email clients that just hand off to sendmail for delivery. Please provide an example that shows a majority of Fedora users use sendmail for their primary mail delivery system where it is not blocked by their ISP and they required no text file configuration to get it working. What does that have to do with making it available? Sendmail can deliver under any circumstances that you can use any mail program. I agree that the supplied configuration tools are inadequate, but this is fedora not a Mac (which by the way, includes a working /usr/sbin/sendmail although it's really postfix). You may not understand the value until your machine dies and you are curious about the warnings that preceded it (like smartctl screaming that your disk is not healthy) so you might avoid the problem next time. If they've automatically been delivered to some other machine they will still be available when you decide they are important. Since users don't read root mail or setup alternate transport methods, how would they read their SMART messages? Sure, *you* would setup an alternate mailbox on another server, open the iptables hole, allow sendmail to receive on all interfaces, etc. etc. but the issue is still the majority of users. I already have mailboxes elsewhere - getting root's mail sent there is a matter of adding an alias for root. Sendmail receives local messages on the permitted localhost address and doesn't need to receive on other interfaces for outbound delivery. Huh? I think you mean 'you' didn't install any of them - or you don't know that you did. Again, you're off base and it's becoming an attack against me. Please read my e-mails. This entire thread is about the *default* fedora install. Clicking Next through all the install prompts. I think there is a better argument that the configuration should be made more user friendly than that the functionality should be removed. Are you really trying to say that users should not be given an opportunity to use a standard mail system when they install a unix-like OS? I disagree with that, although you do have a point that the current state makes it difficult enough to set up that many users don't bother. But I don't think that justifies removing it - and I'd expect more than logwatch to have RPM dependencies on a mail transport. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Script Test [OT]
A suggestion I found on the net is to test for the value of md5sum /etc/passwd. Now, does this stay the same, even if a password is added or changed? Is it unique to a computer? And also, how do I isolate the number and strip off the space and /etc/passwd from the result? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Script Test [OT]
On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 11:54 -0600, kwhiskerz wrote:
The problem is that both computers return hostname = localhost, so that won't
work. IP address is not always possible, as the network might not be up,
especially on the laptop.
How would I check the HWaddress (MAC)?
As ifconfig returns a whole list of things:
1.How can I isolate just 00:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in order to make a comparision?
/sbin/ifconfig eth0|awk 'NR==1 {print $5}'
(adjust for your primary interface name). Note that this isn't
identifying the machine, it's identifying a network interface, but that
may be good enough for your purpose.
2.How do I make this comparison in bash? I guess this value must be a string?
if [ $(/sbin/ifconfig eth0|awk 'NR==1 {print $5}') = 00:16:76:C2:87:D2 ]
then
echo yes
else
echo no
fi
poc
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Re: NFS statd fails to start
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 4:40 AM, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, While booting F9, I NFS statd fails to start. Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Paul What troubleshooting steps have you taken? More details are needed. The mandatory questions: have you checked your logs for messages? Do you get any errors? Have you searched the archives for answers? ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Regarding Fedora core 7
On Saturday 06 September 2008 18:44, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Kam Leo wrote: On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 5:06 AM, winiston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Respected Sir/Madam, My name is P.Winiston. I am working in Futura Automation Pvt Ltd as a RD Engineer. Technical problem: We are using Intel 852GME chipset with 6.4 Display. After installing the Fedora core 7, it support 800x600 resolution.But it is not supporting for 640x480 resolution. (ex : display gets banned) If i install Redhat Linux 5.0 ,it support for both 800x600 and 640x480 resolution. I want to use Fedora core7 with 640x480 resolution only. Can you provide the VGA driver for Fedora core 7? How to make it works? We are ready to pay money for your service. I would be very thankful if you do my needy. With Best Regards, Winiston.P Futura Automation Pvt Ltd. Have you tried using just the VESA driver or a lower color depth? Did FC7 still have the VGA driver? That would limit you to 640 x 480 - but it would only be 256 colors. You can also try specifying a generic display that only does 640 x 480. Mikkel I've just booted my FC7 to check for the VGA driver. Alright I've booted with the planetccrma 2.6.24.7-1.rt3.2.fc7.ccrmart kernel, but the the VGA driver is there as vga15fb.ko. Just had a quick look at the latest FC7 kernel that I had before support was dropped, 2.6.23.8-34.fc7, and that too shows the vga16fb.ko driver. Just a bit of info from a still useable but no longer supported Fedora version. BTW. I'm posting from FC2, and have hardly ever had a problem with it. Nigel. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Fwd: Fedora 8 and 9 updates status]
On Sat, Sep 06, 2008 at 07:53:49 -0700,
Joe Christy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Vis-a-vis Jesse Keating's forwarded note of 2008-09-05 10:08:
What, pray tell, are the new locations? I have local mirrors of the
F{8,9} updates, since it takes less time to rsync the trees than to do
multiple yum updates over my slim Internet connection.
Replace $arch with $arch.newkey to get to the new updates and updates-testing
trees. I haven't seen an update to the release trees show up yet.
I didn't see a new fedora-release with the new keys. There is a newer version
(in Koji) that has arch specific keys, but they are still the old ones. So
you'll need to update without checking keys if you want to do this right now.
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Re: [Fwd: Fedora 8 and 9 updates status]
why not create a fedora 8.1 and 9.1 release with new key's ?
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Sat, Sep 06, 2008 at 07:53:49 -0700,
Joe Christy[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Vis-a-vis Jesse Keating's forwarded note of 2008-09-05 10:08:
What, pray tell, are the new locations? I have local mirrors of the
F{8,9} updates, since it takes less time to rsync the trees than to do
multiple yum updates over my slim Internet connection.
Replace $arch with $arch.newkey to get to the new updates and updates-testing
trees. I haven't seen an update to the release trees show up yet.
I didn't see a new fedora-release with the new keys. There is a newer version
(in Koji) that has arch specific keys, but they are still the old ones. So
you'll need to update without checking keys if you want to do this right now.
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Re: Script Test [OT]
kwhiskerz wrote: The problem is that both computers return hostname = localhost, so that won't work. IP address is not always possible, as the network might not be up, especially on the laptop. How would I check the HWaddress (MAC)? As ifconfig returns a whole list of things: 1.How can I isolate just 00:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in order to make a comparision? Just grep for it, you only need to verify that it is there, not isolate it. 2.How do I make this comparison in bash? I guess this value must be a string? Use grep's return status instead of doing things the shell doesn't does as well. if ! ifconfig eth0 | grep -q 00:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx then echo 'wrong box' exit 1 fi ..rest of script.. You could also find this value in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Thunderbird header 'date' display -
Until changing to F-9 Thunderbird used to display the e-mail sender's time and offset in the header above the text field like 14:03:08 -0500 instead of 15:03 which is an almost totally useless bit of information [to me] and is already displayed in the list of incoming messages. I've spent a lot of time looking for the reason but to no avail. Any idea why and how to restore it? Bob -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
FYI
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Re: Mouse in gnome-terminal under ssh?? SOLVED
On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:06:29 +, Beartooth wrote: [X] Enable-mouse-in-xterm is still checked in the new Alpine configuration -- but it no longer works. I find this an invaluable tweak, which my fingers have long since adopted without requiring conscious attention. So now, of course, suddenly I'm stumbling constantly in all directions with everything I try to write. My host has long since forgotten how he made it work, and I never really understood in the first place. Can someone here tell us? With help under the list, he found it! He writes : It was in /etc/profile at the bottom: DISPLAY= export DISPLAY -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Fedora 8 9; Alpine 1.10, Pan 0.132; Privoxy 3.0.6; Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2.0.3, Epiphany 2.20, Opera 9.27, Firefox 2.0 Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can't switch to KDE
On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 12:35 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 08:23 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: Look, we have been at this too long. Agreed. switchdesk changes the file .Xclient-defaults but that file is not sourced on my machine. If you know how to get it sourced when you login I will be glad to learn something new. And I've been trying to explain that I don't use switchdesk because I get the right result by editing /etc/sysconfig/desktop, which for some reason isn't working for you. I suspect that if you find out why switchdesk doesn't work for you, you will also find out why my method doesn't work for you. The answer may be to do with your X setup, not with switchdesk or /etc/sysconfig/desktop. This is what is supposed to happen on F9 (note that this has changed a bit since F8): Boot goes to state 5 ... which runs /etc/event.d/prefdm ... which runs /etc/X11/prefdm ... which consults /etc/sysconfig.desktop if present, and sets the desktop manager ... and then executes it. The desktop manager runs the login session ... then runs X as a child You might want to look at /var/log/messages to see what is actually happening. poc You boot process stops to soon. Once you are in a login session we still have the question of what window manager is launched when you login. What do you think controls that? -- === If you own a machine, you are in turn owned by it, and spend your time serving it... -- Marion Zimmer Bradley, _The Forbidden Tower_ === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can't switch to KDE
On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 08:10 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 16:37 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: Ypou are absolutely correct but I wanted to change the window manager not the display manager. I am sorry I got the terms confused in a previous message. switchdesk is supposed to do this. Actually you want to change the *desktop*. Changing the window manager alone is not enough (e.g. there are several window managers that work with Gnome). poc What are the nammes of window managers that work with gnome? Now oyu seem to be confusing dispaly managewrs with window managers. -- === I think your opinions are reasonable, except for the one about my mental instability. -- Psychology Professor, Farifield University === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When the floodgates open ...
On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 15:25 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 17:02 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 11:53 -0400, Travis Arnold wrote: When updates resume, would anything show up in package kit and how would your sort of non geeky/technical user fix the problem- would this involve updating mirrors by hand in a file? *Travis Arnold* Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] No hand-jobs. New fedora-release* New fedora-release-notes* which will point to new updates. Frank What does the answer above mean? Will yum update work, or not? -- About as much as apt-get Frank -- gpg id EB547226 Revoked Forgot Password :( aMSN: Frankly3D http://www.frankly3d.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can't switch to KDE
On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 15:16 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 08:10 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 16:37 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: Ypou are absolutely correct but I wanted to change the window manager not the display manager. I am sorry I got the terms confused in a previous message. switchdesk is supposed to do this. Actually you want to change the *desktop*. Changing the window manager alone is not enough (e.g. there are several window managers that work with Gnome). poc What are the nammes of window managers that work with gnome? Now oyu seem to be confusing dispaly managewrs with window managers. Metacity, Enlightenment, Sawfish. These are *window managers*, not display managers. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Regarding Fedora core 7
On Saturday 06 September 2008 21:01, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Nigel Henry wrote: On Saturday 06 September 2008 18:44, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Did FC7 still have the VGA driver? That would limit you to 640 x 480 - but it would only be 256 colors. You can also try specifying a generic display that only does 640 x 480. Mikkel I've just booted my FC7 to check for the VGA driver. Alright I've booted with the planetccrma 2.6.24.7-1.rt3.2.fc7.ccrmart kernel, but the the VGA driver is there as vga15fb.ko. Just had a quick look at the latest FC7 kernel that I had before support was dropped, 2.6.23.8-34.fc7, and that too shows the vga16fb.ko driver. I guess I wasn't as clear as I could have been - I meant the X driver, not the kernel driver. Mikkel Apologies, as that's just as much my fault in misreading what you were suggesting. As I had FC7 booted up, I ran apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade. Although no longer supported, there were 13 upgrades, and 1 new package available, which I'm currently downloading. Last time I updated FC7 was 20080609 (06 is June). Well the updates have just finished downloading, and are installed, so I'm having a look in synaptic for the X drivers. Most have been installed as default, apart from a few, including the vga one, which is: xorg-x11-drv-vga latest version 4.1.0-3.fc7 The OP should be able to install this vga driver, as the servers for the updates still are up and running, so the core packages should still be available. Nigel. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can't switch to KDE
On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 15:14 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 12:35 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 08:23 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: Look, we have been at this too long. Agreed. switchdesk changes the file .Xclient-defaults but that file is not sourced on my machine. If you know how to get it sourced when you login I will be glad to learn something new. And I've been trying to explain that I don't use switchdesk because I get the right result by editing /etc/sysconfig/desktop, which for some reason isn't working for you. I suspect that if you find out why switchdesk doesn't work for you, you will also find out why my method doesn't work for you. The answer may be to do with your X setup, not with switchdesk or /etc/sysconfig/desktop. This is what is supposed to happen on F9 (note that this has changed a bit since F8): Boot goes to state 5 ... which runs /etc/event.d/prefdm ... which runs /etc/X11/prefdm ... which consults /etc/sysconfig.desktop if present, and sets the desktop manager ... and then executes it. The desktop manager runs the login session ... then runs X as a child You might want to look at /var/log/messages to see what is actually happening. poc You boot process stops to soon. Once you are in a login session we still have the question of what window manager is launched when you login. What do you think controls that? What do you think controls it? It's usually part of the X initialization process, which itself is run via xinit or startkde or whatever. The window manager is simply another X client. I say usually because you can have X running with *no* window manager. It's not terribly useful but it can happen when the wm crashes for some reason (in which case if you have a terminal open you can just start it again without ending the session.) poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NFS statd fails to start
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Aldo Foot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While booting F9, I NFS statd fails to start. Any ideas? What troubleshooting steps have you taken? More details are needed. The mandatory questions: have you checked your logs for messages? Do you get any errors? Have you searched the archives for answers? Thanks, Aldo. My logs after I run '/sbin/service nfs start are: -- Sep 6 20:46:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out Sep 6 20:46:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5). Sep 6 20:47:20 localhost nfsd[7023]: nfssvc: writing fds to kernel failed: errno 5 (Input/output error) Sep 6 20:47:20 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out Sep 6 20:47:20 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5). Sep 6 20:47:50 localhost nfsd[7023]: nfssvc: writing fds to kernel failed: errno 5 (Input/output error) Sep 6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out Sep 6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5). Sep 6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: NFSD: Using /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery as the NFSv4 state recovery directory Sep 6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: NFSD: starting 90-second grace period Sep 6 20:48:20 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out Sep 6 20:48:20 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5). Sep 6 20:48:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out Sep 6 20:48:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5). Sep 6 20:49:16 localhost acpid: client connected from 2400[0:0] Sep 6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out Sep 6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5). Sep 6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: nfsd: last server has exited Sep 6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: nfsd: unexporting all filesystems Sep 6 20:49:50 localhost nfsd[7023]: nfssvc: Input/output error Sep 6 20:49:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out Sep 6 20:49:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5). -- Any ideas? Paul Is the rpcbind service running in your system? if not start it. You must be running Fedora 9, right? ~ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NFS statd fails to start
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 10:32 PM, Aldo Foot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While booting F9, I NFS statd fails to start. Any ideas? What troubleshooting steps have you taken? More details are needed. The mandatory questions: have you checked your logs for messages? Do you get any errors? Have you searched the archives for answers? Thanks, Aldo. My logs after I run '/sbin/service nfs start are: -- Sep 6 20:46:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out Sep 6 20:46:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5). Sep 6 20:47:20 localhost nfsd[7023]: nfssvc: writing fds to kernel failed: errno 5 (Input/output error) Sep 6 20:47:20 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out Sep 6 20:47:20 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5). Sep 6 20:47:50 localhost nfsd[7023]: nfssvc: writing fds to kernel failed: errno 5 (Input/output error) Sep 6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out Sep 6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5). Sep 6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: NFSD: Using /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery as the NFSv4 state recovery directory Sep 6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: NFSD: starting 90-second grace period Sep 6 20:48:20 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out Sep 6 20:48:20 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5). Sep 6 20:48:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out Sep 6 20:48:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5). Sep 6 20:49:16 localhost acpid: client connected from 2400[0:0] Sep 6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out Sep 6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5). Sep 6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: nfsd: last server has exited Sep 6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: nfsd: unexporting all filesystems Sep 6 20:49:50 localhost nfsd[7023]: nfssvc: Input/output error Sep 6 20:49:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out Sep 6 20:49:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5). -- Any ideas? Is the rpcbind service running in your system? if not start it. You must be running Fedora 9, right? Whenever I run /sbin/service rpcbind restart I get everything OK, but Selinux pops up a message indicating: AVC denial After the rpcbind restart, no progress regarding nfs being able to start. Yes, I am running F9. Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Script Test [OT]
On 06Sep2008 12:01, kwhiskerz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | A suggestion I found on the net is to test for the value of md5sum | /etc/passwd. That's horrible. Unreliable, etc. | Now, does this stay the same, even if a password is added or | changed? With shadow passwords, yes. But if someone: changes their name, changes their shell, changes their homedir, a new user is added, a user is deleted. All these will break the test. | Is it unique to a computer? And it is not unique. It is a very bad suggestion. Just check hostname (and maybe domainname, depending how widely your test needs to wordk). | And also, how do I isolate the number and | strip off the space and /etc/passwd from the result? With cut or sed or awk or perl or ... But since it is a signature, who cares if the filename is there or not? Just compare the full thing. Seriously, don't do the md5sum thing. Personally, I try to set up three environment variables: $HOSTNAME, being the full hostname (foo.example.com), $HOST, being the shortname (foo) and $SYSTEMID being what I call the administrative zone (home at home, cisra at a former workplace of that name, etc). These are all arbitrary and of course need special setup everywhere, but once they are there it is possible to make sensible comparison statements. Then the problem moves from an ad hoc test in a script to maintaining these variables, which at least is a better defined problem. So my scripts which care tend to say: case [EMAIL PROTECTED] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]) # my laptop ... ... ;; esac and so forth. Cheers, -- Cameron Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] DoD#743 http://www.cskk.ezoshosting.com/cs/ I am returning this otherwise good typing paper to you because someone has printed gibberish all over it and put your name at the top. - English Professor, Ohio University -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can't switch to KDE
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 15:14 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 12:35 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 08:23 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: Look, we have been at this too long. Agreed. switchdesk changes the file .Xclient-defaults but that file is not sourced on my machine. If you know how to get it sourced when you login I will be glad to learn something new. And I've been trying to explain that I don't use switchdesk because I get the right result by editing /etc/sysconfig/desktop, which for some reason isn't working for you. I suspect that if you find out why switchdesk doesn't work for you, you will also find out why my method doesn't work for you. The answer may be to do with your X setup, not with switchdesk or /etc/sysconfig/desktop. This is what is supposed to happen on F9 (note that this has changed a bit since F8): Boot goes to state 5 ... which runs /etc/event.d/prefdm ... which runs /etc/X11/prefdm ... which consults /etc/sysconfig.desktop if present, and sets the desktop manager ... and then executes it. The desktop manager runs the login session ... then runs X as a child You might want to look at /var/log/messages to see what is actually happening. poc You boot process stops to soon. Once you are in a login session we still have the question of what window manager is launched when you login. What do you think controls that? What do you think controls it? It's usually part of the X initialization process, which itself is run via xinit or startkde or whatever. The window manager is simply another X client. I say usually because you can have X running with *no* window manager. It's not terribly useful but it can happen when the wm crashes for some reason (in which case if you have a terminal open you can just start it again without ending the session.) poc That is correct. In fact, you can launch X from the CLI and have it display a small xterm with nothing else in the desktop, but what's the use of that... that's why we have Window Managers like Gnome, KDE and the others mentioned earlier. I think the OP should really read the man pages: xinit for starters. ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NFS statd fails to start
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 10:32 PM, Aldo Foot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While booting F9, I NFS statd fails to start. Any ideas? What troubleshooting steps have you taken? More details are needed. The mandatory questions: have you checked your logs for messages? Do you get any errors? Have you searched the archives for answers? Thanks, Aldo. My logs after I run '/sbin/service nfs start are: -- Sep 6 20:46:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out Sep 6 20:46:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5). Sep 6 20:47:20 localhost nfsd[7023]: nfssvc: writing fds to kernel failed: errno 5 (Input/output error) Sep 6 20:47:20 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out Sep 6 20:47:20 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5). Sep 6 20:47:50 localhost nfsd[7023]: nfssvc: writing fds to kernel failed: errno 5 (Input/output error) Sep 6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out Sep 6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5). Sep 6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: NFSD: Using /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery as the NFSv4 state recovery directory Sep 6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: NFSD: starting 90-second grace period Sep 6 20:48:20 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out Sep 6 20:48:20 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5). Sep 6 20:48:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out Sep 6 20:48:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5). Sep 6 20:49:16 localhost acpid: client connected from 2400[0:0] Sep 6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out Sep 6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5). Sep 6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: nfsd: last server has exited Sep 6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: nfsd: unexporting all filesystems Sep 6 20:49:50 localhost nfsd[7023]: nfssvc: Input/output error Sep 6 20:49:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out Sep 6 20:49:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5). -- Any ideas? Is the rpcbind service running in your system? if not start it. You must be running Fedora 9, right? Whenever I run /sbin/service rpcbind restart I get everything OK, but Selinux pops up a message indicating: AVC denial After the rpcbind restart, no progress regarding nfs being able to start. Yes, I am running F9. Paul I don't run F9 -so I cannot be much help if I don't have system to look at. But google AVC denial it has been discussed in this list before. Perhaps someone who has solved this will be kind to share it that with you. ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NFS statd fails to start
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 10:51 PM, Aldo Foot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While booting F9, I NFS statd fails to start. Any ideas? What troubleshooting steps have you taken? More details are needed. The mandatory questions: have you checked your logs for messages? Do you get any errors? Have you searched the archives for answers? Thanks, Aldo. My logs after I run '/sbin/service nfs start are: -- Sep 6 20:46:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out Sep 6 20:46:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5). Sep 6 20:47:20 localhost nfsd[7023]: nfssvc: writing fds to kernel failed: errno 5 (Input/output error) Sep 6 20:47:20 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out Sep 6 20:47:20 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5). Sep 6 20:47:50 localhost nfsd[7023]: nfssvc: writing fds to kernel failed: errno 5 (Input/output error) Sep 6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out Sep 6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5). Sep 6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: NFSD: Using /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery as the NFSv4 state recovery directory Sep 6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: NFSD: starting 90-second grace period Sep 6 20:48:20 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out Sep 6 20:48:20 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5). Sep 6 20:48:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out Sep 6 20:48:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5). Sep 6 20:49:16 localhost acpid: client connected from 2400[0:0] Sep 6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out Sep 6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5). Sep 6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: nfsd: last server has exited Sep 6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: nfsd: unexporting all filesystems Sep 6 20:49:50 localhost nfsd[7023]: nfssvc: Input/output error Sep 6 20:49:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out Sep 6 20:49:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 5). -- Any ideas? Is the rpcbind service running in your system? if not start it. You must be running Fedora 9, right? Whenever I run /sbin/service rpcbind restart I get everything OK, but Selinux pops up a message indicating: AVC denial After the rpcbind restart, no progress regarding nfs being able to start. Yes, I am running F9. I don't run F9 -so I cannot be much help if I don't have system to look at. But google AVC denial it has been discussed in this list before. Perhaps someone who has solved this will be kind to share it that with you. Thanks, Aldo. I have just noticed that with Selinux set in permissive mode, NFS starts correctly. Any ideas, you or others? Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Thunderbird won't Display jpg pictures
If I get a .jpg picture in a email Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 won't open pictures, Even after I tell it to Open Images. But if I go to attachments at bottom of email and click on attachments it will open the pictures in a different window. In /Edit/Preferences/Attachments/Download Actions/View and Edit Actions, there is nothing in that window, should there be ? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Samba Crash
Hi There Folks, I have a problem in fedora core 9 in that when ever i go to system settings and click on Samba i get a KDE Crash Report with the following short description message. The application KDE Control Module (kcmshell4) crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV) This happens when ever i try to do this even after a restart. The KDE Crash Handler recommended placing a bug report but i dont really know how to go about that.. Any advice appreciated either a fix if it is known or advice on how to submit a bug report. Thanking you in advance. Regards, -- Darren Foster -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Thunderbird won't Display jpg pictures
Jim wrote: If I get a .jpg picture in a email Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 won't open pictures, Even after I tell it to Open Images. But if I go to attachments at bottom of email and click on attachments it will open the pictures in a different window. In /Edit/Preferences/Attachments/Download Actions/View and Edit Actions, there is nothing in that window, should there be ? Check to see if View -- Display Attachment Inline is checked. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Thunderbird header 'date' display -
Bob Goodwin wrote: Until changing to F-9 Thunderbird used to display the e-mail sender's time and offset in the header above the text field like 14:03:08 -0500 instead of 15:03 which is an almost totally useless bit of information [to me] and is already displayed in the list of incoming messages. I've spent a lot of time looking for the reason but to no avail. Any idea why and how to restore it? One way to accomplish this is to install the ConfigDate addon. In the preferences it says: There is a hidden option to display the original date string instead of the formated date in messages headers. I've been too lazy to find the hidden option. -- Vendor no longer supports the product -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Thunderbird won't Display jpg pictures
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Jim wrote: If I get a .jpg picture in a email Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 won't open pictures, Even after I tell it to Open Images. But if I go to attachments at bottom of email and click on attachments it will open the pictures in a different window. In /Edit/Preferences/Attachments/Download Actions/View and Edit Actions, there is nothing in that window, should there be ? Check to see if View -- Display Attachment Inline is checked. Mikkel Yes it is checked. Thanks -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Thunderbird header 'date' display -
Ed Greshko wrote: Bob Goodwin wrote: Until changing to F-9 Thunderbird used to display the e-mail sender's time and offset in the header above the text field like 14:03:08 -0500 instead of 15:03 which is an almost totally useless bit of information [to me] and is already displayed in the list of incoming messages. I've spent a lot of time looking for the reason but to no avail. Any idea why and how to restore it? One way to accomplish this is to install the ConfigDate addon. In the preferences it says: There is a hidden option to display the original date string instead of the formated date in messages headers. I've been too lazy to find the hidden option. That fixed it. I forgot about that addon. The hidden option is just a check box after selecting the Sent Time tab. Not sure what it does but I checked it. Thanks. Bob -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Thunderbird header 'date' display -
Bob Goodwin wrote: One way to accomplish this is to install the ConfigDate addon. In the preferences it says: There is a hidden option to display the original date string instead of the formated date in messages headers. I've been too lazy to find the hidden option. That fixed it. I forgot about that addon. The hidden option is just a check box after selecting the Sent Time tab. Not sure what it does but I checked it. Yes, what I'm to lazy to research...what the check box does. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Thunderbird header 'date' display -
Ed Greshko wrote: Bob Goodwin wrote: One way to accomplish this is to install the ConfigDate addon. In the preferences it says: There is a hidden option to display the original date string instead of the formated date in messages headers. I've been too lazy to find the hidden option. That fixed it. I forgot about that addon. The hidden option is just a check box after selecting the Sent Time tab. Not sure what it does but I checked it. Yes, what I'm to lazy to research...what the check box does. Uncheck it and you lose what I was looking for, it reverts to showing only the local time, nothing more than that, in the header field. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Thunderbird header 'date' display -
Bob Goodwin wrote: Ed Greshko wrote: Bob Goodwin wrote: One way to accomplish this is to install the ConfigDate addon. In the preferences it says: There is a hidden option to display the original date string instead of the formated date in messages headers. I've been too lazy to find the hidden option. That fixed it. I forgot about that addon. The hidden option is just a check box after selecting the Sent Time tab. Not sure what it does but I checked it. Yes, what I'm to lazy to research...what the check box does. Uncheck it and you lose what I was looking for, it reverts to showing only the local time, nothing more than that, in the header field. I think you are misunderstanding what I am trying to say. I am *was* too lazy to find out exactly what the check box was doing under the hood. I know what the results are...otherwise I would not have been able to answer your question. :-) Under the odd it is adding this line... user_pref(mailnews.display.original_date, true); to the prefs.js file. It is considered a hidden option since it does not show up in the advanced editor display. That line is either in the prefs.js or not. So, if you don't want to install the ConfigDate addon you can simply add the line above. -- My brain is my second favorite organ. -- Woody Allen -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NFS statd fails to start
Paul Smith wrote: Whenever I run /sbin/service rpcbind restart I get everything OK, but Selinux pops up a message indicating: AVC denial After the rpcbind restart, no progress regarding nfs being able to start. Yes, I am running F9. I don't run F9 -so I cannot be much help if I don't have system to look at. But google AVC denial it has been discussed in this list before. Perhaps someone who has solved this will be kind to share it that with you. Thanks, Aldo. I have just noticed that with Selinux set in permissive mode, NFS starts correctly. Any ideas, you or others? we need far more information than that to be of assistance! An 'AVC denial' is just telling you that SELinux has prevented something from happening on your system. We'd need the actual denial message to see what it's complaining about - click on the Sheriff's badge in your system tray and tell us what it says. Then we may know what is wrong! Regards, Stuart -- Stuart Sears RHCA etc. It's today! said Piglet. My favourite day, said Pooh. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Character encoding
Adil Drissi wrote: I want to know what is the encoding type of a file. So i run this command: file --mime index.php. The output is : index.php: text/html But this does not give any character encoding type. I would like to convert this file to UTF-8 but the command convmv cannot be run without specifying the type of the file with -f option i think. There is no general way to find out the character encoding of a random piece of data. Some encodings are fairly easy to recognize but the numerous eight-bit encodings can be difficult to tell apart. The character encoding must always be specified somewhere if it isn't implicitly known. In some file systems it's possible to specify the character encoding of a file as an attribute, but I've never seen it used. HTML can contain a meta tag that specifies the encoding, like this: meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 If the HTML file is served by an HTTP server, then the server can specify the encoding in the Content-Type header, and there are rules that define what the encoding is if the server doesn't specify it. You could open the file in a browser that lets you choose the encoding, and try an encoding that you think it may be. Then proofread the text. If all the characters are right, then you guessed right, or close enough to work for that particular file. If not, try the next encoding. o is there a way to convert this file to UTF-8 Once you know the current encoding, transcoding won't be a big problem. If the encoding is specified in the file, such as in a meta tag, then you'll have to change that too. or better how to set the default character encoding to utf-8? Default in what context? The locale settings in the environment include a character encoding. Many programs assume that text files and filenames are encoded in that encoding, but some programs think they're smarter and assume something else. (The approach with environment variables will of course fail if different users use different locales and access the same files.) Björn Persson signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Thunderbird header 'date' display -
Ed Greshko wrote: I think you are misunderstanding what I am trying to say. I guess ... I am *was* too lazy to find out exactly what the check box was doing under the hood. I know what the results are...otherwise I would not have been able to answer your question. :-) Under the odd it is adding this line... user_pref(mailnews.display.original_date, true); to the prefs.js file. It is considered a hidden option since it does not show up in the advanced editor display. That line is either in the prefs.js or not. I searched through the advanced editor display several times but if you don't know what you are looking for that's a difficult task! I appreciate the information and will add it to my notes. So, if you don't want to install the ConfigDate addon you can simply add the line above. Bob -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Thunderbird won't Display jpg pictures
Jim wrote: Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Jim wrote: If I get a .jpg picture in a email Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 won't open pictures, Even after I tell it to Open Images. But if I go to attachments at bottom of email and click on attachments it will open the pictures in a different window. In /Edit/Preferences/Attachments/Download Actions/View and Edit Actions, there is nothing in that window, should there be ? Check to see if View -- Display Attachment Inline is checked. Mikkel Yes it is checked. Thanks One other thing you can check is View -- Message Body As -- Original HTML. If that does not do it, I am stumped. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Reasons behind defaulting atd and sendmail
On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 01:21:40AM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Are there any legitimate reasons why the atd and sendmail services are enabled by default? A default install is for a desktop and they are quite useless in that regard. Maybe they're useless to YOU. Sendmail only stores the logwatch output, which actually accumulates after a period of time because no normal desktop user reads the mail. I read mine. It sends me the SMART status of the drives, it sends me the packages I've installed, etc. BTW... sendmail doesn't *store* anything. Do you actually know what an MTA is? -- Marc Wilson | Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more [EMAIL PROTECTED] | than half of the people are right more than half of | the time. -- E. B. White -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Script Test [OT]
I will see if I can make the HWaddr test work. Thanks, those are great suggestions. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 9 Openchrome drv HP w2207h Monitor was: Re: help with setting up graphics
Björn Persson wrote: Beartooth wrote: I can't imagine why startx would work immediately after logging in in text mode, without touching anything that affects the configuration of X; and it seems a strange, roundabout approach. But I'm willing to try it, if I understand aright what it is I'm to try. I don't understand it either but similar things happen to me. If I boot into runlevel 5 I only get a black screen. If I boot into runlevel 3, log in as root and run init 5 ; exit, then X starts just fine. This thread is a bit old but I thought I should mention what I've discovered: Booting into runlevel 5 works if I disable RHGB (by removing rhgb from the Linux command line). RHGB also doesn't run in runlevel 3, so that's why booting into runlevel 3 made a difference. It seems like X works only if X hasn't run before since the machine was booted. (RHGB uses its own instance of X.) I no longer have to run init 5 manually. Of course I don't know how this will work for anyone else. Björn Persson -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Script Test [OT]
kwhiskerz wrote: The problem is that both computers return hostname = localhost, so that won't work. IP address is not always possible, as the network might not be up, especially on the laptop. How would I check the HWaddress (MAC)? As ifconfig returns a whole list of things: 1.How can I isolate just 00:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in order to make a comparision? 2.How do I make this comparison in bash? I guess this value must be a string? Wrong approach (that means I don't know how to do it reliably). Try this instead, it needs to be run as root: #!/bin/bash # get the root device rt_dev=$(df / | sed -n '2s/ .*//p' # get the UUID in a shell variable fsid=$(dumpe2fs -h $rt_dev | sed -n '/UUID:/s/.*: *//p') # now you can test it against one or more systems # if they NFS mount their root like dickless workstations # you have to test something else like /tmp -- Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Secrecy and user trust
Mike McCarty wrote: jdow wrote: If this can be done once in an initial install situation it can be done again in an update situation using the same mechanism. One way is to download the stuff from Red Hat's site itself, and trust that no one has managed to intercept your communications. Actually you don't need the stuff other than the new key, do you? And the sha1sum (or even sha256sum) of the key and the ISO install image. Once you have that you can trust the mirrors, because even if someone can corrupt a mirror it will be detected. And a list of checksums for all packages released against FC[89] so I can check my archived RPMs against it. That should restore the level of trust present for any previous Fedora release. -- Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Secrecy and user trust
Ed Greshko wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Ed Greshko wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: The hypothetical scenario being discussed is that you have already replaced the former (good but now possibly suspect) public key with a spurious new one. If that were to happen, you would be in danger of accepting trojanned packages signed with this new fake key. My point is that you would also *reject* packages signed with the new good key, and this would be noticed very quickly (basically the next time you did an update). That is an extremely unlikely possibility as you have to generate a key with the same key id (fingerprint)as the original. Also, you have to determine how to trick all users in to replacing the original. All users? This is like spam email, you only need to succeed in a few cases to get benefit. And distributing the fingerprint assumes you can do that securely as well. I think you have no concept of public/private encryption or signing. My concept is that if I can fool you into accepting a false public key, I can sign packages with the matching false private key, and when you install the first such package it may (probably will) include evil things of some nature. Do you disagree? Or feel that if I can get you to run one evil package I can't put in a root kit, or rend personal information from your systems, or otherwise attack your system? If you feel that line of attack is not possible do tell me how your concept of encryption and signing prevents it. -- Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Script Test [OT]
Tried it on both computers. Works great! Neither will run the other's script. Fantastic! THANKS :-) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Character encoding
Hi, Thank you for your answer. I want to use this in my personal computer. Can you give me the name of the variable please? Say I will set that variable to UTF-8 in /etc/profile, do you think that vim will always save my files in utf-8 format? Another thing, a lot of editors allow to choose the text encoding format, and that what i want to be set by default to utf-8. I know that in my html code i have to set manually. Thank you --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Björn Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Björn Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Character encoding To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 11:56 PM Adil Drissi wrote: I want to know what is the encoding type of a file. So i run this command: file --mime index.php. The output is : index.php: text/html But this does not give any character encoding type. I would like to convert this file to UTF-8 but the command convmv cannot be run without specifying the type of the file with -f option i think. There is no general way to find out the character encoding of a random piece of data. Some encodings are fairly easy to recognize but the numerous eight-bit encodings can be difficult to tell apart. The character encoding must always be specified somewhere if it isn't implicitly known. In some file systems it's possible to specify the character encoding of a file as an attribute, but I've never seen it used. HTML can contain a meta tag that specifies the encoding, like this: meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 If the HTML file is served by an HTTP server, then the server can specify the encoding in the Content-Type header, and there are rules that define what the encoding is if the server doesn't specify it. You could open the file in a browser that lets you choose the encoding, and try an encoding that you think it may be. Then proofread the text. If all the characters are right, then you guessed right, or close enough to work for that particular file. If not, try the next encoding. o is there a way to convert this file to UTF-8 Once you know the current encoding, transcoding won't be a big problem. If the encoding is specified in the file, such as in a meta tag, then you'll have to change that too. or better how to set the default character encoding to utf-8? Default in what context? The locale settings in the environment include a character encoding. Many programs assume that text files and filenames are encoded in that encoding, but some programs think they're smarter and assume something else. (The approach with environment variables will of course fail if different users use different locales and access the same files.) Björn Persson -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Secrecy and user trust
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 1:38 AM, jdow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Anders Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 2008, September 05 13:12 Some 5 posts later . Where are the other critical open source players in all this? Moving forward... At this point a critical missing component is the framework to re-key/ sign the top of a distribution tree/mesh.All vendors might face this same problem and so all vendors have skin in this game. It seems that a collection of face to face credential exchanges and FedX packages containing CDROMs with the public half of key pairs to and from the likes of RH, Fedora, Sun, Cray, Cisco, Dell, Debian, Ubuntu, Scientific Linux, Cern, CentOS, and some.edu sites on multiple continents could go a long way to establish a foundation for a web of trust. Each site can then use their 'top' level keys to sign a set of critical site and individual keys then place the master key in an off line vault. Once the foundation is in place ... more can be done (designed). -- NiftyFedora T o m M i t c h e l l -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
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Re: [Fedora-livecd-list] F9-x86_64: setarch i686 not working anymore?
Am Samstag, 6. September 2008 schrieb Jeremy Katz: On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 00:54 +0200, Sebastian Vahl wrote: Is a setarch i686 livecd-creator ... to create a i686 based live image on a x86_64 host not working anymore? It should be fine -- are you sure your config hasn't been changed to have the arch explicitly listed? No. I've used the unmodified kickstarts from livecd-tools-017.1-1 for testing. And: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# rpm -V livecd-tools [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# Also, 'setarch i686 uname -m' should give basically the same information for what arch is used The output of this is the correct i686. I'm not sure about this but I think this behaviour was introduced by yum-3.2.19. And maybe it's related that commands like LANG=en_US.UTF-8 yum are also not working anymore. Sebastian signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Fedora-livecd-list mailing list Fedora-livecd-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-livecd-list
Re: [Fedora-livecd-list] 2 commits - imgcreate/creator.py imgcreate/kickstart.py
Ok, now works again. But it apparently hasn't helped the /usr/share/locale size issue. I still get 272MB in the locale directory, and tons of languages - Jim On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 12:07 -0400, Jeremy Katz wrote: On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 11:11 -0400, Jim Gettys wrote: I updated from git; running with the PYTHONPATH set, I get: Hmmm, looks like clumens had fixed up the typo. Pushed a commit that should make it work properly Jeremy -- Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] One Laptop Per Child -- Fedora-livecd-list mailing list Fedora-livecd-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-livecd-list
Re: [Fedora-livecd-list] 2 commits - imgcreate/creator.py imgcreate/kickstart.py
On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 15:37 -0400, Jim Gettys wrote: Ok, now works again. But it apparently hasn't helped the /usr/share/locale size issue. I still get 272MB in the locale directory, and tons of languages Are you actually specifying instlangs? (%package --instLangs en_US:es_ES or similar) If not, then you're not going to see any change. The default behavior is to install all languages. Doing otherwise requires explicitly telling the tools what you want Jeremy -- Fedora-livecd-list mailing list Fedora-livecd-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-livecd-list
Re: [Fedora-livecd-list] F9-x86_64: setarch i686 not working anymore?
On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 10:41 +0200, Sebastian Vahl wrote: Am Samstag, 6. September 2008 schrieb Jeremy Katz: Also, 'setarch i686 uname -m' should give basically the same information for what arch is used The output of this is the correct i686. I'm not sure about this but I think this behaviour was introduced by yum-3.2.19. And maybe it's related that commands like LANG=en_US.UTF-8 yum are also not working anymore. What's the output of i686 python -c 'import rpmUtils.arch ; print rpmUtils.arch.getBaseArch()' Also, make sure you don't have an /etc/rpm/platform as that overrides anything from uname() Jeremy -- Fedora-livecd-list mailing list Fedora-livecd-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-livecd-list
Re: press kit
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 10:25 AM, wonderer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hy there, I had a short look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press and I miss a press-kit, a lets say press information document, a short doc where all necessary things a journalist needs to know about fedora is presented. Is there a need for it? If yes, I would be glad to write one. I would love to have a text like that, and also that has been reviewed for several people. I offer to translate that to Spanish. Neville https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:yn1v Linux User # 473217 -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: press kit
Hi, I had a short look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press and I miss a press-kit, a lets say press information document, a short doc where all necessary things a journalist needs to know about fedora is presented. Is there a need for it? If yes, I would be glad to write one. I'd say that even if there is no need for it, everyone would be glad if you could write one :) -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: [Fedora-music-list] [Fwd: [Bug 440736] FTBFS qsynth-0.2.5-7.fc9]
Michel Salim wrote: I can take a look at it later today. Good, Let me know if you can't solve it then I'll take a look. Regards, Hans ___ Fedora-music-list mailing list Fedora-music-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-music-list
Re: [Fedora-music-list] [Fwd: [Bug 440736] FTBFS qsynth-0.2.5-7.fc9]
On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 09:11 -0400, Michel Salim wrote: On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 5:59 AM, Hans de Goede [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michel Salim wrote: I can take a look at it later today. Good, Let me know if you can't solve it then I'll take a look. I've pushed the build to the update system: the actual build failure is not complicated (qt - qt3 renaming), but as the qt4-based 0.3.3 release is out, I figured updating to it instead would reduce the number of Qt3 applications shipped. Works on F10 just fine (modulo the currently-broken Qt/KDE anti-aliasing, ugh) Thank you very much for the fast response! And for the upgrade to 0.3.3... -- Fernando ___ Fedora-music-list mailing list Fedora-music-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-music-list
[Bug 461350] New: cpanspec nearly always misses the BuildRequires: perl(Test::More)
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: cpanspec nearly always misses the BuildRequires: perl(Test::More) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=461350 Summary: cpanspec nearly always misses the BuildRequires: perl(Test::More) Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Platform: All OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: medium Priority: medium Component: cpanspec AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] QAContact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: fedora-perl-devel-list@redhat.com Estimated Hours: 0.0 Classification: Fedora Description of problem: cpanspec nearly always misses the BuildRequires: perl(Test::More) for test suite files. I imagine this is because the 'use' statement often has trailing arguments use Test::More tests = 19; instead of a more usual use Test::More; It'd be very helpful if cpanspec picked up this style, because then nearly all its autogenerated specs would be correct. Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): cpanspec-1.77-1.fc9.noarch How reproducible: Often Steps to Reproduce: 1. cpanspec Data-Section-0.005.tar.gz 2. 3. Actual results: Missing BuildRequires: perl(Test::More) Expected results: All BuildRequires are correct Additional info: -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl Fedora-perl-devel-list mailing list Fedora-perl-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-perl-devel-list
[Bug 461383] New: Data::Visitor 0.19 is out
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: Data::Visitor 0.19 is out https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=461383 Summary: Data::Visitor 0.19 is out Product: Fedora Version: 9 Platform: All OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: medium Priority: medium Component: perl-Data-Visitor AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] QAContact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: fedora-perl-devel-list@redhat.com Estimated Hours: 0.0 Classification: Fedora ...let's see if we can get it in before F-10 :-) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl Fedora-perl-devel-list mailing list Fedora-perl-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-perl-devel-list
[Bug 461383] Data::Visitor 0.19 is out
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=461383 Chris Weyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added Version|9 |rawhide -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl Fedora-perl-devel-list mailing list Fedora-perl-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-perl-devel-list
[Bug 461383] Data::Visitor 0.19 is out
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[Bug 461383] Data::Visitor 0.19 is out
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