Re: [Fwd: Fedora 8 and 9 updates status]

[David C. Chipman]

On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:03:08 -0500
Bruno Wolff III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Replace $arch with $arch.newkey to get to the new updates and
> updates-testing trees. I haven't seen an update to the release trees
> show up yet.
> 
Hi Bruno, 

I'm trying to take your advice about changing $arch to
$arch.newkey, and it doesn't make any difference. *Where* exactly
should the changes be made? I modified the fedora.repo and
fedora-updates.repo files, with no change. Thanks, 

-David Chipman

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Re: When the floodgates open ...

[Steve Repo]

On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 2:01 AM, Frank Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 15:25 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
>> On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 17:02 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
>> > On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 11:53 -0400, Travis Arnold wrote:
>> > > When updates resume, would anything show up in package kit and how would
>> > > your sort of non geeky/technical user fix the problem- would this
>> > > involve updating mirrors by hand in a file?
>> > > *Travis Arnold*
>> > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> >
>> > No hand-jobs.
>> >
>> > New fedora-release*
>> > New fedora-release-notes*
>> >
>> > which will point to new updates.
>> >
>> > Frank
>> What does the answer above mean? Will yum update work, or not?
>> --
>
> About as much as apt-get
>


Typical Fedora cryptic answer.

Well, as far as I understand,  when the updates are available, "yum
update" should fetch new fedora-release RPM with the new key. This
will automatically install the new key and allow newer updates to
flow.

So, technically, a "yum update" should work.

Steve

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Re: [Fwd: Fedora 8 and 9 updates status]

[Steve Repo]

On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Itamar - IspBrasil
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> why not create a fedora 8.1 and 9.1 release with new key's ?
>

Amen! Why make a mess and add confusion to it?

I'd rather have a _new_ distro 9.1 with new key all the latest patches.

New installs can be done as 9.1 and exisiting fedora can be "upgraded" to 9.1

Brilliant!

Steve

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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[NiftyFedora Mitch]

On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 1:38 AM, jdow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: "Anders Karlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, 2008, September 05 13:12

Some 5 posts later .

Where are the other critical open source players in all this?

Moving forward...

At this point a critical missing component is the framework to re-key/
sign the top of a distribution tree/mesh.All vendors might face
this same problem and so all vendors have skin in this game.

It seems that a collection of  face to face credential exchanges and
FedX packages containing CDROMs with the public half of key pairs to
and from the likes of RH, Fedora, Sun, Cray, Cisco, Dell, Debian,
Ubuntu, Scientific Linux, Cern, CentOS, and some.edu sites on multiple
continents could go a long way to establish a foundation for a web of
trust.

Each site can then use their 'top' level keys to sign a set of
critical site and individual keys then place the master key in an off
line vault.

Once the foundation is in place ... more can be done (designed).

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Re: Character encoding

[Adil Drissi]

Hi, 

Thank you for your answer. I want to use this in my personal computer. 
Can you give me the name of the variable please? Say I will set that variable 
to UTF-8 in /etc/profile, do you think that vim will always save my files in 
utf-8 format?

Another thing, a lot of editors allow to choose the text encoding format, and 
that what i want to be set by default to utf-8. I know that in my html code i 
have to set manually.

Thank you

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> From: Björn Persson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Character encoding
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for 
> using Fedora." 
> Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 11:56 PM
> Adil Drissi wrote:
> > I want to know what is the encoding type of a file. So
> i run this command:
> > "file --mime index.php". The output is :
> index.php: text/html
> >
> > But this does not give any character encoding type.
> >
> > I would like to convert this file to UTF-8 but the
> command convmv cannot be
> > run without specifying the type of the file with -f
> option i think.
> 
> There is no general way to find out the character encoding
> of a random piece 
> of data. Some encodings are fairly easy to recognize but
> the numerous 
> eight-bit encodings can be difficult to tell apart. The
> character encoding 
> must always be specified somewhere if it isn't
> implicitly known.
> 
> In some file systems it's possible to specify the
> character encoding of a file 
> as an attribute, but I've never seen it used. HTML can
> contain a meta tag 
> that specifies the encoding, like this:
> 
>  content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
> 
> If the HTML file is served by an HTTP server, then the
> server can specify the 
> encoding in the Content-Type header, and there are rules
> that define what the 
> encoding is if the server doesn't specify it.
> 
> You could open the file in a browser that lets you choose
> the encoding, and 
> try an encoding that you think it may be. Then proofread
> the text. If all the 
> characters are right, then you guessed right, or close
> enough to work for 
> that particular file. If not, try the next encoding.
> 
> > o is there a way to convert this file to UTF-8
> 
> Once you know the current encoding, transcoding won't
> be a big problem. If the 
> encoding is specified in the file, such as in a meta tag,
> then you'll have to 
> change that too.
> 
> > or better how to set the default character encoding to
> utf-8?
> 
> Default in what context? The locale settings in the
> environment include a 
> character encoding. Many programs assume that text files
> and filenames are 
> encoded in that encoding, but some programs think
> they're smarter and assume 
> something else. (The approach with environment variables
> will of course fail 
> if different users use different locales and access the
> same files.)
> 
> Björn Persson


  


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Re: Script Test [OT]

[kwhiskerz]

Tried it on both computers. Works great! Neither will run the other's script.

Fantastic!

THANKS :-)

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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Bill Davidsen]

Ed Greshko wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Ed Greshko wrote:

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

The hypothetical scenario being discussed is that you have already
replaced the former (good but now possibly suspect) public key with a
spurious new one. If that were to happen, you would be in danger of
accepting trojanned packages signed with this new fake key. My point is
that you would also *reject* packages signed with the new good key, and
this would be noticed very quickly (basically the next time you did an
update).
  

That is an extremely unlikely possibility as you have to generate a key
with the same key id (fingerprint)as the original.  Also, you have to
determine how to trick all users in to replacing the original.

All users? This is like spam email, you only need to succeed in a few
cases to get benefit. And distributing the fingerprint assumes you can
do that securely as well.


I think you have no concept of public/private encryption or signing.

My concept is that if I can fool you into accepting a false public key, 
I can sign packages with the matching false private key, and when you 
install the first such package it may (probably will) include evil 
things of some nature.


Do you disagree? Or feel that if I can get you to run one evil package I 
can't put in a root kit, or rend personal information from your systems, 
or otherwise attack your system?


If you feel that line of attack is not possible do tell me how your 
concept of encryption and signing prevents it.


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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[Bill Davidsen]

Mike McCarty wrote:

jdow wrote:





If this can be done once in an initial install situation it can be done
again in an update situation using the same mechanism.


One way is to download the stuff from Red Hat's site itself,
and trust that no one has managed to intercept your communications.

Actually you don't need "the stuff" other than the new key, do you? And 
the sha1sum (or even sha256sum) of the key and the ISO install image. 
Once you have that you can trust the mirrors, because even if someone 
can corrupt a mirror it will be detected. And a list of checksums for 
all packages released against FC[89] so I can check my archived RPMs 
against it.


That should restore the level of trust present for any previous Fedora 
release.


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Re: Script Test [OT]

[Bill Davidsen]

kwhiskerz wrote:
The problem is that both computers return hostname = localhost, so that won't 
work. IP address is not always possible, as the network might not be up, 
especially on the laptop.


How would I check the HWaddress (MAC)?

As ifconfig returns a whole list of things:

1.How can I isolate just 00:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in order to make a comparision?
2.How do I make this comparison in bash? I guess this value must be a string?


Wrong approach (that means I don't know how to do it reliably).

Try this instead, it needs to be run as root:
  #!/bin/bash
  # get the root device
  rt_dev=$(df / | sed -n '2s/ .*//p'
  # get the UUID in a shell variable
  fsid=$(dumpe2fs -h $rt_dev | sed -n '/UUID:/s/.*: *//p')
  # now you can test it against one or more systems
  # if they NFS mount their root like dickless workstations
  # you have to test something else like /tmp


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Re: Fedora 9 Openchrome drv HP w2207h Monitor was: Re: help with setting up graphics

[Björn Persson]

Björn Persson wrote:
> Beartooth wrote:
> > I can't imagine why startx would work immediately after logging
> > in in text mode, without touching anything that affects the configuration
> > of X; and it seems a strange, roundabout approach. But I'm willing to try
> > it, if I understand aright what it is I'm to try.
>
> I don't understand it either but similar things happen to me. If I boot
> into runlevel 5 I only get a black screen. If I boot into runlevel 3, log
> in as root and run "init 5 ; exit", then X starts just fine.

This thread is a bit old but I thought I should mention what I've discovered: 
Booting into runlevel 5 works if I disable RHGB (by removing "rhgb" from the 
Linux command line). RHGB also doesn't run in runlevel 3, so that's why 
booting into runlevel 3 made a difference. It seems like X works only if X 
hasn't run before since the machine was booted. (RHGB uses its own instance 
of X.)

I no longer have to run "init 5" manually. Of course I don't know how this 
will work for anyone else.

Björn Persson

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Re: Script Test [OT]

[kwhiskerz]

I will see if I can make the HWaddr test work.

Thanks, those are great suggestions.

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Re: Reasons behind defaulting atd and sendmail

[Marc Wilson]

On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 09:23:10AM -0500, Mike Cronenworth wrote:
> I believe Evolution is installed by default, is it not?

Unfortunately, yes.  By default, users are left with a poor-at-best MUA.

>*Desktop* Fedora users are guaranteed outbound e-mail with or without
>sendmail.

No.  Desktop users are guaranteed that there's a MUA installed.

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Re: Reasons behind defaulting atd and sendmail

[Marc Wilson]

On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 01:21:40AM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Are there any legitimate reasons why the "atd" and "sendmail" services  
> are enabled by default? A "default" install is for a desktop and they are 
> quite useless in that regard.

Maybe they're useless to YOU.

> Sendmail only stores the logwatch output, which actually accumulates  
> after a period of time because no normal desktop user reads the mail.

I read mine.  It sends me the SMART status of the drives, it sends me the
packages I've installed, etc.

BTW... sendmail doesn't *store* anything.  Do you actually know what an MTA
is?

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Re: Thunderbird won't Display jpg pictures

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Jim wrote:
> Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
>> Jim wrote:
>>  
>>> If I get a .jpg picture in a email Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 won't open
>>> pictures, Even after I tell it to "Open Images".
>>> But if I go to attachments at bottom of email and click on attachments
>>> it will open the pictures in a different window.
>>> In /Edit/Preferences/Attachments/Download Actions/View and Edit Actions,
>>> there is nothing in that window, should there
>>> be ?
>>>
>>> 
>> Check to see if View --> Display Attachment Inline is checked.
>>
>> Mikkel
>>   
> Yes it is checked.
> 
> Thanks
> 
One other thing you can check is View --> Message Body As -->
Original HTML. If that does not do it, I am stumped.

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Re: Thunderbird header 'date' display -

[Bob Goodwin]

Ed Greshko wrote:


I think you are misunderstanding what I am trying to say.
  

I guess ...

I am *was* too lazy to find out exactly what the check box was doing
"under the hood".  I know what the results are...otherwise I would not
have been able to answer your question.  :-)

Under the odd it is adding this line...

user_pref("mailnews.display.original_date", true);

to the prefs.js file. 


It is considered a "hidden" option since it does not show up in the
"advanced editor" display.  That line is either in the prefs.js or not.
  
I searched through the "advanced editor" display several times but if 
you don't know what you are looking for that's a difficult task!  I 
appreciate the information and will add it to my notes.  

So, if you don't want to install the ConfigDate addon you can simply add
the line above.

  


Bob

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Re: Character encoding

[Björn Persson]

Adil Drissi wrote:
> I want to know what is the encoding type of a file. So i run this command:
> "file --mime index.php". The output is : index.php: text/html
>
> But this does not give any character encoding type.
>
> I would like to convert this file to UTF-8 but the command convmv cannot be
> run without specifying the type of the file with -f option i think.

There is no general way to find out the character encoding of a random piece 
of data. Some encodings are fairly easy to recognize but the numerous 
eight-bit encodings can be difficult to tell apart. The character encoding 
must always be specified somewhere if it isn't implicitly known.

In some file systems it's possible to specify the character encoding of a file 
as an attribute, but I've never seen it used. HTML can contain a meta tag 
that specifies the encoding, like this:



If the HTML file is served by an HTTP server, then the server can specify the 
encoding in the Content-Type header, and there are rules that define what the 
encoding is if the server doesn't specify it.

You could open the file in a browser that lets you choose the encoding, and 
try an encoding that you think it may be. Then proofread the text. If all the 
characters are right, then you guessed right, or close enough to work for 
that particular file. If not, try the next encoding.

> o is there a way to convert this file to UTF-8

Once you know the current encoding, transcoding won't be a big problem. If the 
encoding is specified in the file, such as in a meta tag, then you'll have to 
change that too.

> or better how to set the default character encoding to utf-8?

Default in what context? The locale settings in the environment include a 
character encoding. Many programs assume that text files and filenames are 
encoded in that encoding, but some programs think they're smarter and assume 
something else. (The approach with environment variables will of course fail 
if different users use different locales and access the same files.)

Björn Persson


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Re: NFS statd fails to start

[Stuart Sears]

Paul Smith wrote:
>>> Whenever I run
>>>
>>> /sbin/service rpcbind restart
>>>
>>> I get everything OK, but Selinux pops up a message indicating:
>>>
>>> "AVC denial"
>>>
>>> After the rpcbind restart, no progress regarding nfs being able to start.
>>>
>>> Yes, I am running F9.
>> I don't run F9 -so I cannot be much help if I don't have system to look at.
>> But google "AVC denial" it has been discussed in this list before.
>> Perhaps someone who has solved this will be kind to share it that with you.
> 
> Thanks, Aldo. I have just noticed that with Selinux set in permissive
> mode, NFS starts correctly.
> 
> Any ideas, you or others?

we need far more information than that to be of assistance!

An 'AVC denial' is just telling you that SELinux has prevented something
from happening on your system. We'd need the actual denial message to
see what it's complaining about - click on the "Sheriff's badge" in your
system tray and tell us what it says.

Then we may know what is wrong!

Regards,

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Re: Thunderbird header 'date' display -

[Ed Greshko]

Bob Goodwin wrote:
> Ed Greshko wrote:
>> Bob Goodwin wrote:
>>  
 One way to accomplish this is to install the "ConfigDate" addon. 
 In the
 preferences it says:

 There is a hidden option to display the original date string
 instead of
 the formated date in messages headers.

 I've been too lazy to find the "hidden" option.
 
>>> That fixed it.  I forgot about that "addon."
>>>
>>> The hidden option is just a check box after selecting the "Sent Time"
>>> tab. Not sure what it does but I checked it.
>>>
>>> 
>> Yes, what I'm to lazy to research...what the check box does.
>>
>>   
> Uncheck it and you lose what I was looking for, it reverts to showing
> only the local time, nothing more than that, in the header field.
>
>
I think you are misunderstanding what I am trying to say.

I am *was* too lazy to find out exactly what the check box was doing
"under the hood".  I know what the results are...otherwise I would not
have been able to answer your question.  :-)

Under the odd it is adding this line...

user_pref("mailnews.display.original_date", true);

to the prefs.js file. 

It is considered a "hidden" option since it does not show up in the
"advanced editor" display.  That line is either in the prefs.js or not.

So, if you don't want to install the ConfigDate addon you can simply add
the line above.

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Re: Thunderbird header 'date' display -

[Bob Goodwin]

Ed Greshko wrote:

Bob Goodwin wrote:
  

One way to accomplish this is to install the "ConfigDate" addon.  In the
preferences it says:

There is a hidden option to display the original date string instead of
the formated date in messages headers.

I've been too lazy to find the "hidden" option.
  
  

That fixed it.  I forgot about that "addon."

The hidden option is just a check box after selecting the "Sent Time"
tab. Not sure what it does but I checked it.



Yes, what I'm to lazy to research...what the check box does.

  

Uncheck it and you lose what I was looking for, it reverts to showing
only the local time, nothing more than that, in the header field.


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Re: Thunderbird header 'date' display -

[Ed Greshko]

Bob Goodwin wrote:
>
>> One way to accomplish this is to install the "ConfigDate" addon.  In the
>> preferences it says:
>>
>> There is a hidden option to display the original date string instead of
>> the formated date in messages headers.
>>
>> I've been too lazy to find the "hidden" option.
>>   
>
> That fixed it.  I forgot about that "addon."
>
> The hidden option is just a check box after selecting the "Sent Time"
> tab. Not sure what it does but I checked it.
>
Yes, what I'm to lazy to research...what the check box does.

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Re: Thunderbird header 'date' display -

[Bob Goodwin]

Ed Greshko wrote:

Bob Goodwin wrote:
  

Until changing to F-9 Thunderbird used to display the e-mail sender's
time and offset in the header above the text field like "14:03:08
-0500" instead of "15:03" which is an almost totally useless bit of
information [to me] and is already displayed in the list of incoming
messages.

I've spent a lot of time looking for the reason but to no avail.  Any
idea why and how to restore it?




One way to accomplish this is to install the "ConfigDate" addon.  In the
preferences it says:

There is a hidden option to display the original date string instead of
the formated date in messages headers.

I've been too lazy to find the "hidden" option.
  


That fixed it.  I forgot about that "addon."

The hidden option is just a check box after selecting the "Sent Time" tab. 
Not sure what it does but I checked it.


Thanks.

Bob




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Re: Thunderbird won't Display jpg pictures

[Jim]

Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:

Jim wrote:
  

If I get a .jpg picture in a email Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 won't open
pictures, Even after I tell it to "Open Images".
But if I go to attachments at bottom of email and click on attachments
it will open the pictures in a different window.
In /Edit/Preferences/Attachments/Download Actions/View and Edit Actions,
there is nothing in that window, should there
be ?



Check to see if View --> Display Attachment Inline is checked.

Mikkel
  

Yes it is checked.

Thanks

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Re: Thunderbird header 'date' display -

[Ed Greshko]

Bob Goodwin wrote:
>
>
> Until changing to F-9 Thunderbird used to display the e-mail sender's
> time and offset in the header above the text field like "14:03:08
> -0500" instead of "15:03" which is an almost totally useless bit of
> information [to me] and is already displayed in the list of incoming
> messages.
>
> I've spent a lot of time looking for the reason but to no avail.  Any
> idea why and how to restore it?
>
>
One way to accomplish this is to install the "ConfigDate" addon.  In the
preferences it says:

There is a hidden option to display the original date string instead of
the formated date in messages headers.

I've been too lazy to find the "hidden" option.



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Re: Thunderbird won't Display jpg pictures

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Jim wrote:
> If I get a .jpg picture in a email Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 won't open
> pictures, Even after I tell it to "Open Images".
> But if I go to attachments at bottom of email and click on attachments
> it will open the pictures in a different window.
> In /Edit/Preferences/Attachments/Download Actions/View and Edit Actions,
> there is nothing in that window, should there
> be ?
> 
Check to see if View --> Display Attachment Inline is checked.

Mikkel
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Samba Crash

[Darren Foster]

Hi There Folks,

I have a problem in fedora core 9 in that when ever i go to system settings
and click on Samba i get a KDE Crash Report with the following short
description message.

The application KDE Control Module (kcmshell4) crashed and caused the signal
11 (SIGSEGV)

This happens when ever i try to do this even after a restart.

The KDE Crash Handler recommended placing a bug report but i dont really
know how to go about that..

Any advice appreciated either a fix if it is known or advice on how to
submit a bug report.

Thanking you in advance.

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Thunderbird won't Display jpg pictures

[Jim]

If I get a .jpg picture in a email Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 won't open 
pictures, Even after I tell it to "Open Images".
But if I go to attachments at bottom of email and click on attachments 
it will open the pictures in a different window.
In /Edit/Preferences/Attachments/Download Actions/View and Edit Actions, 
there is nothing in that window, should there

be ?

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Re: NFS statd fails to start

[Paul Smith]

On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 10:51 PM, Aldo Foot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> While booting F9, I NFS statd fails to start. Any ideas?
>
> What troubleshooting steps have you taken? More details are needed.
> The mandatory questions: have you checked your logs for messages? Do you
> get any errors? Have you searched the archives for answers?

 Thanks, Aldo. My logs after I run '/sbin/service nfs start" are:

 --

 Sep  6 20:46:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
 responding, timed out
 Sep  6 20:46:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
 server (errno 5).
 Sep  6 20:47:20 localhost nfsd[7023]: nfssvc: writing fds to kernel
 failed: errno 5 (Input/output error)
 Sep  6 20:47:20 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
 responding, timed out
 Sep  6 20:47:20 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
 server (errno 5).
 Sep  6 20:47:50 localhost nfsd[7023]: nfssvc: writing fds to kernel
 failed: errno 5 (Input/output error)
 Sep  6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
 responding, timed out
 Sep  6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
 server (errno 5).
 Sep  6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: NFSD: Using /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery
 as the NFSv4 state recovery directory
 Sep  6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: NFSD: starting 90-second grace period
 Sep  6 20:48:20 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
 responding, timed out
 Sep  6 20:48:20 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
 server (errno 5).
 Sep  6 20:48:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
 responding, timed out
 Sep  6 20:48:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
 server (errno 5).
 Sep  6 20:49:16 localhost acpid: client connected from 2400[0:0]
 Sep  6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
 responding, timed out
 Sep  6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
 server (errno 5).
 Sep  6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: nfsd: last server has exited
 Sep  6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: nfsd: unexporting all filesystems
 Sep  6 20:49:50 localhost nfsd[7023]: nfssvc: Input/output error
 Sep  6 20:49:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
 responding, timed out
 Sep  6 20:49:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
 server (errno 5).

 --

 Any ideas?
>>>
>>> Is the rpcbind service running in  your system? if not start it.
>>> You must be running Fedora 9, right?
>>
>> Whenever I run
>>
>> /sbin/service rpcbind restart
>>
>> I get everything OK, but Selinux pops up a message indicating:
>>
>> "AVC denial"
>>
>> After the rpcbind restart, no progress regarding nfs being able to start.
>>
>> Yes, I am running F9.
>
> I don't run F9 -so I cannot be much help if I don't have system to look at.
> But google "AVC denial" it has been discussed in this list before.
> Perhaps someone who has solved this will be kind to share it that with you.

Thanks, Aldo. I have just noticed that with Selinux set in permissive
mode, NFS starts correctly.

Any ideas, you or others?

Paul

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Re: NFS statd fails to start

[Aldo Foot]

On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Paul Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 10:32 PM, Aldo Foot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> While booting F9, I NFS statd fails to start. Any ideas?

 What troubleshooting steps have you taken? More details are needed.
 The mandatory questions: have you checked your logs for messages? Do you
 get any errors? Have you searched the archives for answers?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Aldo. My logs after I run '/sbin/service nfs start" are:
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Sep  6 20:46:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
>>> responding, timed out
>>> Sep  6 20:46:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
>>> server (errno 5).
>>> Sep  6 20:47:20 localhost nfsd[7023]: nfssvc: writing fds to kernel
>>> failed: errno 5 (Input/output error)
>>> Sep  6 20:47:20 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
>>> responding, timed out
>>> Sep  6 20:47:20 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
>>> server (errno 5).
>>> Sep  6 20:47:50 localhost nfsd[7023]: nfssvc: writing fds to kernel
>>> failed: errno 5 (Input/output error)
>>> Sep  6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
>>> responding, timed out
>>> Sep  6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
>>> server (errno 5).
>>> Sep  6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: NFSD: Using /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery
>>> as the NFSv4 state recovery directory
>>> Sep  6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: NFSD: starting 90-second grace period
>>> Sep  6 20:48:20 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
>>> responding, timed out
>>> Sep  6 20:48:20 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
>>> server (errno 5).
>>> Sep  6 20:48:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
>>> responding, timed out
>>> Sep  6 20:48:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
>>> server (errno 5).
>>> Sep  6 20:49:16 localhost acpid: client connected from 2400[0:0]
>>> Sep  6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
>>> responding, timed out
>>> Sep  6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
>>> server (errno 5).
>>> Sep  6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: nfsd: last server has exited
>>> Sep  6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: nfsd: unexporting all filesystems
>>> Sep  6 20:49:50 localhost nfsd[7023]: nfssvc: Input/output error
>>> Sep  6 20:49:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
>>> responding, timed out
>>> Sep  6 20:49:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
>>> server (errno 5).
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Is the rpcbind service running in  your system? if not start it.
>> You must be running Fedora 9, right?
>
> Whenever I run
>
> /sbin/service rpcbind restart
>
> I get everything OK, but Selinux pops up a message indicating:
>
> "AVC denial"
>
> After the rpcbind restart, no progress regarding nfs being able to start.
>
> Yes, I am running F9.
>
> Paul
>

I don't run F9 -so I cannot be much help if I don't have system to look at.
But google "AVC denial" it has been discussed in this list before.
Perhaps someone who has solved this will be kind to share it that with you.

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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Aldo Foot]

On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 15:14 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
>> On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 12:35 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> > On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 08:23 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
>> > > Look, we have been at this too long.
>> >
>> > Agreed.
>> >
>> > > switchdesk changes the
>> > > file .Xclient-defaults but that file is not sourced on my machine. If
>> > > you know how to get it sourced when you login I will be glad to learn
>> > > something new.
>> >
>> > And I've been trying to explain that I don't use switchdesk because I
>> > get the right result by editing /etc/sysconfig/desktop, which for some
>> > reason isn't working for you.
>> >
>> > I suspect that if you find out why switchdesk doesn't work for you, you
>> > will also find out why my method doesn't work for you. The answer may be
>> > to do with your X setup, not with switchdesk or /etc/sysconfig/desktop.
>> >
>> > This is what is supposed to happen on F9 (note that this has changed a
>> > bit since F8):
>> >
>> > Boot goes to state 5
>> > ... which runs /etc/event.d/prefdm
>> > ... which runs /etc/X11/prefdm
>> > ... which consults /etc/sysconfig.desktop if present, and sets the
>> > desktop manager
>> > ... and then executes it.
>> > The desktop manager runs the login session
>> > ... then runs X as a child
>> >
>> > You might want to look at /var/log/messages to see what is actually
>> > happening.
>> >
>> > poc
>> >
>> You boot process stops to soon. Once you are in a login session we still
>> have the question of what window manager is launched when you login.
>> What do you think controls that?
>
> What do you think controls it? It's usually part of the X initialization
> process, which itself is run via xinit or startkde or whatever. The
> window manager is simply another X client. I say "usually" because you
> can have X running with *no* window manager. It's not terribly useful
> but it can happen when the wm crashes for some reason (in which case if
> you have a terminal open you can just start it again without ending the
> session.)
>
> poc
>

That is correct. In fact, you can launch X from the CLI and have it
display a small xterm
with nothing else in the desktop, but what's the use of that... that's
why we have
Window Managers like Gnome, KDE and the others mentioned earlier.
I think the OP should really read the man pages: xinit for starters.

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Re: Script Test [OT]

[Cameron Simpson]

On 06Sep2008 12:01, kwhiskerz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| A suggestion I found on the net is to test for the value of md5sum 
| /etc/passwd.

That's horrible. Unreliable, etc.

| Now, does this stay the same, even if a password is added or 
| changed?

With shadow passwords, yes. But if someone: changes their name, changes
their shell, changes their homedir, a new user is added, a user is
deleted. All these will break the test.

| Is it unique to a computer?

And it is not unique.
It is a very bad suggestion.
Just check hostname (and maybe domainname, depending how widely
your test needs to wordk).

| And also, how do I isolate the number and 
| strip off the space and "/etc/passwd" from the result?

With cut or sed or awk or perl or ...
But since it is a "signature", who cares if the filename is there or
not? Just compare the full thing.

Seriously, don't do the md5sum thing.

Personally, I try to set up three environment variables: $HOSTNAME,
being the full hostname (foo.example.com), $HOST, being the shortname
(foo) and $SYSTEMID being what I call the "administrative zone" ("home"
at home, "cisra" at a former workplace of that name, etc).  These are
all arbitrary and of course need special setup everywhere, but once they
are there it is possible to make sensible comparison statements. Then
the problem moves from an ad hoc test in a script to maintaining these
variables, which at least is a better defined problem.

So my scripts which care tend to say:

  case "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" in
[EMAIL PROTECTED])
  # my laptop ...
  ...
  ;;
  esac

and so forth.

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Re: NFS statd fails to start

[Paul Smith]

On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 10:32 PM, Aldo Foot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 While booting F9, I NFS statd fails to start. Any ideas?
>>>
>>> What troubleshooting steps have you taken? More details are needed.
>>> The mandatory questions: have you checked your logs for messages? Do you
>>> get any errors? Have you searched the archives for answers?
>>
>> Thanks, Aldo. My logs after I run '/sbin/service nfs start" are:
>>
>> --
>>
>> Sep  6 20:46:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
>> responding, timed out
>> Sep  6 20:46:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
>> server (errno 5).
>> Sep  6 20:47:20 localhost nfsd[7023]: nfssvc: writing fds to kernel
>> failed: errno 5 (Input/output error)
>> Sep  6 20:47:20 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
>> responding, timed out
>> Sep  6 20:47:20 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
>> server (errno 5).
>> Sep  6 20:47:50 localhost nfsd[7023]: nfssvc: writing fds to kernel
>> failed: errno 5 (Input/output error)
>> Sep  6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
>> responding, timed out
>> Sep  6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
>> server (errno 5).
>> Sep  6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: NFSD: Using /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery
>> as the NFSv4 state recovery directory
>> Sep  6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: NFSD: starting 90-second grace period
>> Sep  6 20:48:20 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
>> responding, timed out
>> Sep  6 20:48:20 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
>> server (errno 5).
>> Sep  6 20:48:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
>> responding, timed out
>> Sep  6 20:48:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
>> server (errno 5).
>> Sep  6 20:49:16 localhost acpid: client connected from 2400[0:0]
>> Sep  6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
>> responding, timed out
>> Sep  6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
>> server (errno 5).
>> Sep  6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: nfsd: last server has exited
>> Sep  6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: nfsd: unexporting all filesystems
>> Sep  6 20:49:50 localhost nfsd[7023]: nfssvc: Input/output error
>> Sep  6 20:49:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
>> responding, timed out
>> Sep  6 20:49:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
>> server (errno 5).
>>
>> --
>>
>> Any ideas?
>
> Is the rpcbind service running in  your system? if not start it.
> You must be running Fedora 9, right?

Whenever I run

/sbin/service rpcbind restart

I get everything OK, but Selinux pops up a message indicating:

"AVC denial"

After the rpcbind restart, no progress regarding nfs being able to start.

Yes, I am running F9.

Paul

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Re: NFS statd fails to start

[Aldo Foot]

On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Paul Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Aldo Foot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> While booting F9, I NFS statd fails to start. Any ideas?
>>
>> What troubleshooting steps have you taken? More details are needed.
>> The mandatory questions: have you checked your logs for messages? Do you
>> get any errors? Have you searched the archives for answers?
>
> Thanks, Aldo. My logs after I run '/sbin/service nfs start" are:
>
> --
>
> Sep  6 20:46:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
> responding, timed out
> Sep  6 20:46:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
> server (errno 5).
> Sep  6 20:47:20 localhost nfsd[7023]: nfssvc: writing fds to kernel
> failed: errno 5 (Input/output error)
> Sep  6 20:47:20 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
> responding, timed out
> Sep  6 20:47:20 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
> server (errno 5).
> Sep  6 20:47:50 localhost nfsd[7023]: nfssvc: writing fds to kernel
> failed: errno 5 (Input/output error)
> Sep  6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
> responding, timed out
> Sep  6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
> server (errno 5).
> Sep  6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: NFSD: Using /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery
> as the NFSv4 state recovery directory
> Sep  6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: NFSD: starting 90-second grace period
> Sep  6 20:48:20 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
> responding, timed out
> Sep  6 20:48:20 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
> server (errno 5).
> Sep  6 20:48:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
> responding, timed out
> Sep  6 20:48:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
> server (errno 5).
> Sep  6 20:49:16 localhost acpid: client connected from 2400[0:0]
> Sep  6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
> responding, timed out
> Sep  6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
> server (errno 5).
> Sep  6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: nfsd: last server has exited
> Sep  6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: nfsd: unexporting all filesystems
> Sep  6 20:49:50 localhost nfsd[7023]: nfssvc: Input/output error
> Sep  6 20:49:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
> responding, timed out
> Sep  6 20:49:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
> server (errno 5).
>
> --
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Paul
>


Is the rpcbind service running in  your system? if not start it.
You must be running Fedora 9, right?


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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 15:14 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 12:35 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 08:23 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > > Look, we have been at this too long.
> > 
> > Agreed.
> > 
> > > switchdesk changes the
> > > file .Xclient-defaults but that file is not sourced on my machine. If
> > > you know how to get it sourced when you login I will be glad to learn
> > > something new.
> > 
> > And I've been trying to explain that I don't use switchdesk because I
> > get the right result by editing /etc/sysconfig/desktop, which for some
> > reason isn't working for you.
> > 
> > I suspect that if you find out why switchdesk doesn't work for you, you
> > will also find out why my method doesn't work for you. The answer may be
> > to do with your X setup, not with switchdesk or /etc/sysconfig/desktop.
> > 
> > This is what is supposed to happen on F9 (note that this has changed a
> > bit since F8):
> > 
> > Boot goes to state 5
> > ... which runs /etc/event.d/prefdm
> > ... which runs /etc/X11/prefdm
> > ... which consults /etc/sysconfig.desktop if present, and sets the
> > desktop manager
> > ... and then executes it.
> > The desktop manager runs the login session
> > ... then runs X as a child
> > 
> > You might want to look at /var/log/messages to see what is actually
> > happening.
> > 
> > poc
> > 
> You boot process stops to soon. Once you are in a login session we still
> have the question of what window manager is launched when you login.
> What do you think controls that?

What do you think controls it? It's usually part of the X initialization
process, which itself is run via xinit or startkde or whatever. The
window manager is simply another X client. I say "usually" because you
can have X running with *no* window manager. It's not terribly useful
but it can happen when the wm crashes for some reason (in which case if
you have a terminal open you can just start it again without ending the
session.)

poc

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Character encoding

[Adil Drissi]

Hi,

I want to know what is the encoding type of a file. So i run this command: 
"file --mime index.php". 
The output is : index.php: text/html

But this does not give any character encoding type.

I would like to convert this file to UTF-8 but the command convmv cannot be run 
without specifying the type of the file with -f option i think.

o is there a way to convert this file to UTF-8 or better how to set the default 
character encoding to utf-8?

Thank you


  

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Re: Regarding Fedora core 7

[Nigel Henry]

On Saturday 06 September 2008 21:01, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> Nigel Henry wrote:
> > On Saturday 06 September 2008 18:44, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> >> Did FC7 still have the VGA driver? That would limit you to 640 x 480
> >> - but it would only be 256 colors.
> >>
> >> You can also try specifying a generic display that only does 640 x 480.
> >>
> >> Mikkel
> >
> > I've just booted my FC7 to check for the VGA driver. Alright I've booted
> > with the planetccrma 2.6.24.7-1.rt3.2.fc7.ccrmart kernel, but the the VGA
> > driver is there as vga15fb.ko.
> >
> > Just had a quick look at the latest FC7 kernel that I had before support
> > was dropped, 2.6.23.8-34.fc7, and that too shows the vga16fb.ko driver.
>
> I guess I wasn't as clear as I could have been - I meant the X
> driver, not the kernel driver.
>
> Mikkel

Apologies, as that's just as much my fault in misreading what you were 
suggesting.

As I had FC7 booted up, I ran apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade. 
Although no longer supported, there were 13 upgrades, and 1 new package 
available, which I'm currently downloading. Last time I updated FC7 was 
20080609 (06 is June).

Well the updates have just finished downloading, and are installed, so I'm 
having a look in synaptic for the X drivers. Most have been installed as 
default, apart from a few, including the vga one, which is:
xorg-x11-drv-vga   latest version 4.1.0-3.fc7

The OP should be able to install this vga driver, as the servers for the 
updates still are up and running, so the core packages should still be 
available.

Nigel.


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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 15:16 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 08:10 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 16:37 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > > Ypou are absolutely correct but I wanted to change the window manager
> > > not the display manager. I am sorry I got the terms confused in a
> > > previous message. switchdesk is supposed to do this.
> > 
> > Actually you want to change the *desktop*. Changing the window manager
> > alone is not enough (e.g. there are several window managers that work
> > with Gnome).
> > 
> > poc
> > 
> What are the nammes of window managers that work with gnome? Now oyu
> seem to be confusing dispaly managewrs with window managers.

Metacity, Enlightenment, Sawfish. These are *window managers*, not
display managers.

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Re: When the floodgates open ...

[Aaron Konstam]

On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 17:02 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 11:53 -0400, Travis Arnold wrote:
> > When updates resume, would anything show up in package kit and how would 
> > your sort of non geeky/technical user fix the problem- would this 
> > involve updating mirrors by hand in a file?
> > *Travis Arnold*
> > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> No hand-jobs.
> 
> New fedora-release* 
> New fedora-release-notes*
> 
> which will point to new updates.
> 
> Frank
What does the answer above mean? Will yum update work, or not?
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Re: When the floodgates open ...

[Frank Murphy]

On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 15:25 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 17:02 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
> > On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 11:53 -0400, Travis Arnold wrote:
> > > When updates resume, would anything show up in package kit and how would 
> > > your sort of non geeky/technical user fix the problem- would this 
> > > involve updating mirrors by hand in a file?
> > > *Travis Arnold*
> > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > 
> > No hand-jobs.
> > 
> > New fedora-release* 
> > New fedora-release-notes*
> > 
> > which will point to new updates.
> > 
> > Frank
> What does the answer above mean? Will yum update work, or not?
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About as much as apt-get

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Re: NFS statd fails to start

[Paul Smith]

On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Aldo Foot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> While booting F9, I NFS statd fails to start. Any ideas?
>
> What troubleshooting steps have you taken? More details are needed.
> The mandatory questions: have you checked your logs for messages? Do you
> get any errors? Have you searched the archives for answers?

Thanks, Aldo. My logs after I run '/sbin/service nfs start" are:

--

Sep  6 20:46:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
responding, timed out
Sep  6 20:46:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
server (errno 5).
Sep  6 20:47:20 localhost nfsd[7023]: nfssvc: writing fds to kernel
failed: errno 5 (Input/output error)
Sep  6 20:47:20 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
responding, timed out
Sep  6 20:47:20 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
server (errno 5).
Sep  6 20:47:50 localhost nfsd[7023]: nfssvc: writing fds to kernel
failed: errno 5 (Input/output error)
Sep  6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
responding, timed out
Sep  6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
server (errno 5).
Sep  6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: NFSD: Using /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery
as the NFSv4 state recovery directory
Sep  6 20:47:50 localhost kernel: NFSD: starting 90-second grace period
Sep  6 20:48:20 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
responding, timed out
Sep  6 20:48:20 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
server (errno 5).
Sep  6 20:48:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
responding, timed out
Sep  6 20:48:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
server (errno 5).
Sep  6 20:49:16 localhost acpid: client connected from 2400[0:0]
Sep  6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
responding, timed out
Sep  6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
server (errno 5).
Sep  6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: nfsd: last server has exited
Sep  6 20:49:20 localhost kernel: nfsd: unexporting all filesystems
Sep  6 20:49:50 localhost nfsd[7023]: nfssvc: Input/output error
Sep  6 20:49:50 localhost kernel: rpcbind: server localhost not
responding, timed out
Sep  6 20:49:50 localhost kernel: RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind
server (errno 5).

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Any ideas?

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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Aaron Konstam]

On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 08:10 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 16:37 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > Ypou are absolutely correct but I wanted to change the window manager
> > not the display manager. I am sorry I got the terms confused in a
> > previous message. switchdesk is supposed to do this.
> 
> Actually you want to change the *desktop*. Changing the window manager
> alone is not enough (e.g. there are several window managers that work
> with Gnome).
> 
> poc
> 
What are the nammes of window managers that work with gnome? Now oyu
seem to be confusing dispaly managewrs with window managers.
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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Aaron Konstam]

On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 12:35 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 08:23 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > Look, we have been at this too long.
> 
> Agreed.
> 
> > switchdesk changes the
> > file .Xclient-defaults but that file is not sourced on my machine. If
> > you know how to get it sourced when you login I will be glad to learn
> > something new.
> 
> And I've been trying to explain that I don't use switchdesk because I
> get the right result by editing /etc/sysconfig/desktop, which for some
> reason isn't working for you.
> 
> I suspect that if you find out why switchdesk doesn't work for you, you
> will also find out why my method doesn't work for you. The answer may be
> to do with your X setup, not with switchdesk or /etc/sysconfig/desktop.
> 
> This is what is supposed to happen on F9 (note that this has changed a
> bit since F8):
> 
> Boot goes to state 5
> ... which runs /etc/event.d/prefdm
> ... which runs /etc/X11/prefdm
> ... which consults /etc/sysconfig.desktop if present, and sets the
> desktop manager
> ... and then executes it.
> The desktop manager runs the login session
> ... then runs X as a child
> 
> You might want to look at /var/log/messages to see what is actually
> happening.
> 
> poc
> 
You boot process stops to soon. Once you are in a login session we still
have the question of what window manager is launched when you login.
What do you think controls that?
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Re: Mouse in gnome-terminal under ssh?? SOLVED

[Beartooth]

On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:06:29 +, Beartooth wrote:

>   [X] Enable-mouse-in-xterm is still checked in the new Alpine
> configuration -- but it no longer works.
> 
>   I find this an invaluable tweak, which my fingers have long since
> adopted without requiring conscious attention. So now, of course,
> suddenly I'm stumbling constantly in all directions with everything I
> try to write.
> 
>   My host has long since forgotten how he made it work, and I never
> really understood in the first place.
> 
>   Can someone here tell us?

With help under the list, he found it! He writes :


It was in /etc/profile at the bottom:

DISPLAY=""

export DISPLAY

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FYI

[Aaron Konstam]

 Forwarded Message 
From: Paul W. Frields <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: fedora-list@redhat.com
To: fedora-announce-list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Fedora Board IRC meeting 1800 UTC 2008-09-09
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 09:33:30 -0400

The Board is holding its monthly public meeting on Tuesday, 9 September
2008, at 1800 UTC on IRC Freenode.  The public is invited to do the
following:

* Join #fedora-board-meeting to see the Board's conversation.  This
channel is read-only for non-Board members.
* Join #fedora-board-public to discuss topics and post questions.  This
channel is read/write for everyone.

The moderator will direct questions from the #fedora-board-public
channel to the Board members at #fedora-board-meeting.  This should limit
confusion and ensure our logs are useful to everyone.

The Board has set aside one meeting of each month as a public "town
hall" style meeting.  We are *still* hoping to hold an audio-based
meeting at some point in the near future using some of the new resources
being developed by the Infrastructure team.  More news on this will be
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Thunderbird header 'date' display -

[Bob Goodwin]

Until changing to F-9 Thunderbird used to display the e-mail sender's 
time and offset in the header above the text field like "14:03:08 -0500" 
instead of "15:03" which is an almost totally useless bit of information 
[to me] and is already displayed in the list of incoming messages.


I've spent a lot of time looking for the reason but to no avail.  Any 
idea why and how to restore it?


Bob

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Re: Script Test [OT]

[Les Mikesell]

kwhiskerz wrote:
The problem is that both computers return hostname = localhost, so that won't 
work. IP address is not always possible, as the network might not be up, 
especially on the laptop.


How would I check the HWaddress (MAC)?

As ifconfig returns a whole list of things:

1.How can I isolate just 00:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in order to make a comparision?


Just grep for it, you only need to verify that it is there, not isolate it.


2.How do I make this comparison in bash? I guess this value must be a string?


Use grep's return status instead of doing things the shell doesn't does 
as well.



if ! ifconfig eth0 | grep -q 00:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
 then
 echo 'wrong box'
 exit 1
fi

..rest of script..


You could also find this value in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0

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Re: [Fwd: Fedora 8 and 9 updates status]

[Itamar - IspBrasil]

why not create a fedora 8.1 and 9.1 release with new key's ?


Bruno Wolff III wrote:

On Sat, Sep 06, 2008 at 07:53:49 -0700,
   Joe Christy<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote:
   

   Vis-a-vis Jesse Keating's forwarded note of 2008-09-05 10:08:

What, pray tell, are the new locations? I have local mirrors of the
F{8,9} updates, since it takes less time to rsync the trees than to do
multiple yum updates over my slim Internet connection.
 


Replace $arch with $arch.newkey to get to the new updates and updates-testing
trees. I haven't seen an update to the release trees show up yet.

I didn't see a new fedora-release with the new keys. There is a newer version
(in Koji) that has arch specific keys, but they are still the old ones. So
you'll need to update without checking keys if you want to do this right now.

   





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Re: [Fwd: Fedora 8 and 9 updates status]

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Sat, Sep 06, 2008 at 07:53:49 -0700,
  Joe Christy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Vis-a-vis Jesse Keating's forwarded note of 2008-09-05 10:08:
> 
>   What, pray tell, are the new locations? I have local mirrors of the
> F{8,9} updates, since it takes less time to rsync the trees than to do
> multiple yum updates over my slim Internet connection.

Replace $arch with $arch.newkey to get to the new updates and updates-testing
trees. I haven't seen an update to the release trees show up yet.

I didn't see a new fedora-release with the new keys. There is a newer version
(in Koji) that has arch specific keys, but they are still the old ones. So
you'll need to update without checking keys if you want to do this right now.

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Re: Regarding Fedora core 7

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Nigel Henry wrote:
> On Saturday 06 September 2008 18:44, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
>> Did FC7 still have the VGA driver? That would limit you to 640 x 480
>> - but it would only be 256 colors.
>>
>> You can also try specifying a generic display that only does 640 x 480.
>>
>> Mikkel
> 
> I've just booted my FC7 to check for the VGA driver. Alright I've booted with 
> the planetccrma 2.6.24.7-1.rt3.2.fc7.ccrmart kernel, but the the VGA driver 
> is there as vga15fb.ko.
> 
> Just had a quick look at the latest FC7 kernel that I had before support was 
> dropped, 2.6.23.8-34.fc7, and that too shows the vga16fb.ko driver.
> 
I guess I wasn't as clear as I could have been - I meant the X
driver, not the kernel driver.

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Re: Regarding Fedora core 7

[Nigel Henry]

On Saturday 06 September 2008 18:44, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> Kam Leo wrote:
> > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 5:06 AM, winiston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >> Respected Sir/Madam,
> >>
> >> My name is P.Winiston. I am working in Futura Automation Pvt Ltd as a
> >> R&D Engineer.
> >>
> >> Technical problem:
> >>
> >> We are using Intel 852GME chipset with 6.4" Display.
> >>
> >> After installing the Fedora core 7, it support 800x600 resolution.But it
> >> is not supporting for 640x480 resolution. (ex : display gets banned)
> >>
> >> If i install Redhat Linux 5.0 ,it support for both 800x600 and 640x480
> >> resolution.
> >>
> >> I want to use Fedora core7 with 640x480 resolution only.
> >>
> >> Can you provide the VGA driver for Fedora core 7?
> >>
> >> How to make it works?
> >>
> >> We are ready to pay money for your service.
> >>
> >> I would be very thankful if you do my needy.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> With Best Regards,
> >> Winiston.P
> >> Futura Automation Pvt Ltd.
> >
> > Have you tried using just the VESA driver or a lower color depth?
>
> Did FC7 still have the VGA driver? That would limit you to 640 x 480
> - but it would only be 256 colors.
>
> You can also try specifying a generic display that only does 640 x 480.
>
> Mikkel

I've just booted my FC7 to check for the VGA driver. Alright I've booted with 
the planetccrma 2.6.24.7-1.rt3.2.fc7.ccrmart kernel, but the the VGA driver 
is there as vga15fb.ko.

Just had a quick look at the latest FC7 kernel that I had before support was 
dropped, 2.6.23.8-34.fc7, and that too shows the vga16fb.ko driver.

Just a bit of info from a still useable but no longer supported Fedora 
version.

BTW. I'm posting from FC2, and have hardly ever had a problem with it.

Nigel.

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Re: NFS statd fails to start

[Aldo Foot]

On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 4:40 AM, Paul Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> While booting F9, I NFS statd fails to start. Any ideas?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Paul
>

What troubleshooting steps have you taken? More details are needed.
The mandatory questions: have you checked your logs for messages? Do you
get any errors? Have you searched the archives for answers?

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Re: Script Test [OT]

[Dennis Kaptain]

> The problem is that both computers return hostname = localhost, so that won't 
> work. IP address is not always possible, as the network might not be up, 
> especially on the laptop.


As root run
$ system-config-network

under the DNS tab set your hostname

save changes and restart your network

$ service network restart


Then try the hostname again


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Re: Script Test [OT]

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 12:01 -0600, kwhiskerz wrote:
> A suggestion I found on the net is to test for the value of md5sum 
> /etc/passwd. Now, does this stay the same, even if a password is added or 
> changed?

No.

> Is it unique to a computer?

No.

> And also, how do I isolate the number and 
> strip off the space and "/etc/passwd" from the result?

Don't bother, this is a really stupid idea.

poc

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Re: Script Test [OT]

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 11:54 -0600, kwhiskerz wrote:
> The problem is that both computers return hostname = localhost, so that won't 
> work. IP address is not always possible, as the network might not be up, 
> especially on the laptop.
> 
> How would I check the HWaddress (MAC)?
> 
> As ifconfig returns a whole list of things:
> 
> 1.How can I isolate just 00:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in order to make a comparision?

/sbin/ifconfig eth0|awk 'NR==1 {print $5}'

(adjust for your primary interface name). Note that this isn't
identifying the machine, it's identifying a network interface, but that
may be good enough for your purpose.

> 2.How do I make this comparison in bash? I guess this value must be a string?

if [ $(/sbin/ifconfig eth0|awk 'NR==1 {print $5}') = 00:16:76:C2:87:D2 ]
then
echo yes
else
echo no
fi

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Re: Script Test [OT]

[kwhiskerz]

A suggestion I found on the net is to test for the value of md5sum 
/etc/passwd. Now, does this stay the same, even if a password is added or 
changed? Is it unique to a computer? And also, how do I isolate the number and 
strip off the space and "/etc/passwd" from the result?

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Re: Reasons behind defaulting atd and sendmail

[Les Mikesell]

Michael Cronenworth wrote:


If you don't use email, why are you using computers again?  And if you 
do, you've provided exactly this information to one or several email 
client programs.  Doing it once for sendmail lets any number of users 
run any number of email clients that just hand off to sendmail for 
delivery.


Please provide an example that shows a majority of Fedora users use 
sendmail for their primary mail delivery system where it is not blocked 
by their ISP and they required no text file configuration to get it 
working.


What does that have to do with making it available?  Sendmail can 
deliver under any circumstances that you can use any mail program.  I 
agree that the supplied configuration tools are inadequate, but this is 
fedora not a Mac (which by the way, includes a working 
/usr/sbin/sendmail although it's really postfix).


You may not understand the value until your machine dies and you are 
curious about the warnings that preceded it (like smartctl screaming 
that your disk is not healthy) so you might avoid the problem next 
time.  If they've automatically been delivered to some other machine 
they will still be available when you decide they are important.


Since users don't read root mail or setup alternate transport methods, 
how would they read their SMART messages? Sure, *you* would setup an 
alternate mailbox on another server, open the iptables hole, allow 
sendmail to receive on all interfaces, etc. etc. but the issue is still 
the majority of users.


I already have mailboxes elsewhere - getting root's mail sent there is a 
matter of adding an alias for root.  Sendmail receives local messages on 
the permitted localhost address and doesn't need to receive on other 
interfaces for outbound delivery.


Huh? I think you mean 'you' didn't install any of them - or you don't 
know that you did.


Again, you're off base and it's becoming an attack against me. Please 
read my e-mails. This entire thread is about the *default* fedora 
install. Clicking Next through all the install prompts.


I think there is a better argument that the configuration should be made 
more user friendly than that the functionality should be removed.  Are 
you really trying to say that users should not be given an opportunity 
to use a standard mail system when they install a unix-like OS?  I 
disagree with that, although you do have a point that the current state 
makes it difficult enough to set up that many users don't bother.  But I 
don't think that justifies removing it - and I'd expect more than 
logwatch to have RPM dependencies on a mail transport.


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Re: Script Test [OT]

[kwhiskerz]

The problem is that both computers return hostname = localhost, so that won't 
work. IP address is not always possible, as the network might not be up, 
especially on the laptop.

How would I check the HWaddress (MAC)?

As ifconfig returns a whole list of things:

1.How can I isolate just 00:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx in order to make a comparision?
2.How do I make this comparison in bash? I guess this value must be a string?

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Re: Reasons behind defaulting atd and sendmail

[Les Mikesell]

Michael Cronenworth wrote:



For sure. But the original statement it is true when "configuration"
means "configuration of the MTA or MUA".

Let me clarify: In my case, on my desktop at work and on my home
machines, I can do a default installation of Fedora and then send mail
without knowing anything about the ISP. (Yes, I know that won't work for
everyone, but it wfm in multiple settings).

Some MUAs ("mail" included :-) send via sendmail by default; others
require the user to specify "sendmail" for outbound mail. But when
"sendmail" is selected in Evolution, no more configuration is required;
when "SMTP" is selected, seven additional fields appear for the user to
figure out (server, authentication, encryption, ...).
  
Most USA ISPs block outgoing SMTP except through their SMTP server. Even 
if it is not blocked, again, *spam filters* will not accept your e-mail 
you sent from sendmail. You run into SPF requirements with some domains. 
I've stated this a few times already. I have personal experience with 
this (the domain I'm emailing from is just one example I could provide).


I don't see how this has anything to do with whether you configure 
sendmail to send as required for the system or whether you configure 
every possible smtp sender and user agent separately to meet the 
requirements.  If you ever have more than one sender, configuring 
sendmail once takes care of them all.  If you ever work offline, 
sendmail will automatically queue and retry when the network is up.


That's great you arn't blocked and you don't send mail to people 
authenticating your IP address, but I promise you you are the minority.


Sendmail can be configured to send through an ISP relay - or pretty much 
anywhere, including using SMTP authentication and SSL.  I'd agree that 
this is more difficult than necessary and should have the same 
fill-in-the-form GUI that an MUA would have for the same items, but not 
that the functionality isn't there or isn't needed.


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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 08:23 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> Look, we have been at this too long.

Agreed.

> switchdesk changes the
> file .Xclient-defaults but that file is not sourced on my machine. If
> you know how to get it sourced when you login I will be glad to learn
> something new.

And I've been trying to explain that I don't use switchdesk because I
get the right result by editing /etc/sysconfig/desktop, which for some
reason isn't working for you.

I suspect that if you find out why switchdesk doesn't work for you, you
will also find out why my method doesn't work for you. The answer may be
to do with your X setup, not with switchdesk or /etc/sysconfig/desktop.

This is what is supposed to happen on F9 (note that this has changed a
bit since F8):

Boot goes to state 5
... which runs /etc/event.d/prefdm
... which runs /etc/X11/prefdm
... which consults /etc/sysconfig.desktop if present, and sets the
desktop manager
... and then executes it.
The desktop manager runs the login session
... then runs X as a child

You might want to look at /var/log/messages to see what is actually
happening.

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Re: Script Test [OT]

[Dennis Kaptain]

> > if [ some case ]; then

> 
> if [ "$(hostname -s)" = "puter" ]; then
>   echo running
> fi


I'd check how the hostname command runs on your computer,
See what happens on my F8 system:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ hostname
confianza
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ hostname -s
localhost
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ 

the -s option returns 'localhost' so it will never = the name of your computer.

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Re: Regarding Fedora core 7

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Kam Leo wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 5:06 AM, winiston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Respected Sir/Madam,
>>
>> My name is P.Winiston. I am working in Futura Automation Pvt Ltd as a R&D
>> Engineer.
>>
>> Technical problem:
>>
>> We are using Intel 852GME chipset with 6.4" Display.
>>
>> After installing the Fedora core 7, it support 800x600 resolution.But it is
>> not supporting for 640x480 resolution. (ex : display gets banned)
>>
>> If i install Redhat Linux 5.0 ,it support for both 800x600 and 640x480
>> resolution.
>>
>> I want to use Fedora core7 with 640x480 resolution only.
>>
>> Can you provide the VGA driver for Fedora core 7?
>>
>> How to make it works?
>>
>> We are ready to pay money for your service.
>>
>> I would be very thankful if you do my needy.
>>
>>
>>
>> With Best Regards,
>> Winiston.P
>> Futura Automation Pvt Ltd.
>>
> 
> Have you tried using just the VESA driver or a lower color depth?
> 
Did FC7 still have the VGA driver? That would limit you to 640 x 480
- but it would only be 256 colors.

You can also try specifying a generic display that only does 640 x 480.

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Re: Fetchmail + Sendmail for local users ??

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

jdow wrote:
> From: "Timothy Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, 2008, September 06 03:32
> 
>> Arun Shrimali wrote:
>>
>>> Is the combination right ?? where can I get the how to about this
>>> combination ?? I have googled but ...
>>
>> I do this, with cron jobs to run fetchmail from the different mail
>> servers
>> every few minutes.
> 
> Why bother with a cron job. Fetchmail itself has a daemon mode. Use it.
> 
> {^_^}

Plus it also avoids trying to run two copies of Fetchmail if you
have a big e-mail download. One that last longer the the interval
between cron jobs.

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Re: When the floodgates open ...

[Paul W. Frields]

On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 17:02 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 11:53 -0400, Travis Arnold wrote:
> > When updates resume, would anything show up in package kit and how would 
> > your sort of non geeky/technical user fix the problem- would this 
> > involve updating mirrors by hand in a file?
> > *Travis Arnold*
> > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> No hand-jobs.
> 
> New fedora-release* 
> New fedora-release-notes*
> 
> which will point to new updates.

And as Jesse said in his announcement -- which I would ask that all
people *read*:
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-September/msg2.html
 
...we'll be putting together an explanatory document for how users can
verify and accept the new key, and get the new updates.  We are working
to make it a relatively painless operation.

Another announcement will follow with links to the finished documents on
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Re: Reasons behind defaulting atd and sendmail

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Chris Tyler wrote:
>> For sure. But the original statement it is true when "configuration"
>> means "configuration of the MTA or MUA".
>>
>> Let me clarify: In my case, on my desktop at work and on my home
>> machines, I can do a default installation of Fedora and then send mail
>> without knowing anything about the ISP. (Yes, I know that won't work for
>> everyone, but it wfm in multiple settings).
>>
>> Some MUAs ("mail" included :-) send via sendmail by default; others
>> require the user to specify "sendmail" for outbound mail. But when
>> "sendmail" is selected in Evolution, no more configuration is required;
>> when "SMTP" is selected, seven additional fields appear for the user to
>> figure out (server, authentication, encryption, ...).
>>   
> Most USA ISPs block outgoing SMTP except through their SMTP server. Even
> if it is not blocked, again, *spam filters* will not accept your e-mail
> you sent from sendmail. You run into SPF requirements with some domains.
> I've stated this a few times already. I have personal experience with
> this (the domain I'm emailing from is just one example I could provide).
> 
> That's great you arn't blocked and you don't send mail to people
> authenticating your IP address, but I promise you you are the minority.
> 
Well, my ISP blocks me, but Sendmail (or Postfix in my case) can
still send mail. The thing is, you can configure Sendmail once, and
all your users can then use Sendmail to send their mail without a
lot of complicated setup of the SMPT server. Now, if you have users
using different e-mail relay hosts, it does get a bit complicated to
set up - I am not sure how common that is.

I guess it might be easier to configure one MUA if you only have one
user. But even then, it is also easy to add a "local" account to get
system messages. If you don't at least check the logwatch reports,
you do not know what is happening on your system. Kind of like
driving a car, and never checking the oil, tire pressure, and
ignoring the gages.

I use 4 different ones myself. For example, all of the
infinity-ltd.com go through my web host's mail server, and that is
the only server authorized to send mail for that domain. (If you
look at the MX record for infinity-ltd.com, it points to
sslcatacombnetworks.net.) I also have Yahoo, Gmail, and my local
network account. Until they closed, I also had a Mailtag account. So
you end up using different relay hosts, depending on the From:
e-mail address. But I don't think most people use more then one, so
it is an easy setup.

Once thing I have not looked at is if there is a GUI to configure
Sendmail. Then again, I use Postfix instead. (I used to use
Sendmail, and I was fairly good at configuring it.)

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Re: When the floodgates open ...

[Frank Murphy]

On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 11:53 -0400, Travis Arnold wrote:
> When updates resume, would anything show up in package kit and how would 
> your sort of non geeky/technical user fix the problem- would this 
> involve updating mirrors by hand in a file?
> *Travis Arnold*
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

No hand-jobs.

New fedora-release* 
New fedora-release-notes*

which will point to new updates.

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Re: When the floodgates open ...

[Travis Arnold]

When updates resume, would anything show up in package kit and how would 
your sort of non geeky/technical user fix the problem- would this 
involve updating mirrors by hand in a file?

*Travis Arnold*
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Re: Regarding Fedora core 7

[Kam Leo]

On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 5:06 AM, winiston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Respected Sir/Madam,
>
> My name is P.Winiston. I am working in Futura Automation Pvt Ltd as a R&D
> Engineer.
>
> Technical problem:
>
> We are using Intel 852GME chipset with 6.4" Display.
>
> After installing the Fedora core 7, it support 800x600 resolution.But it is
> not supporting for 640x480 resolution. (ex : display gets banned)
>
> If i install Redhat Linux 5.0 ,it support for both 800x600 and 640x480
> resolution.
>
> I want to use Fedora core7 with 640x480 resolution only.
>
> Can you provide the VGA driver for Fedora core 7?
>
> How to make it works?
>
> We are ready to pay money for your service.
>
> I would be very thankful if you do my needy.
>
>
>
> With Best Regards,
> Winiston.P
> Futura Automation Pvt Ltd.
>

Have you tried using just the VESA driver or a lower color depth?

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Re: [Fwd: Fedora 8 and 9 updates status]

[Joe Christy]

  Vis-a-vis my note of 2008-09-06 07:53:
> ...
>   A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Please save us from our
> ignorance. Let's not be so busy making easy things trivial that we make
> hard things an ordeal.
> ...

This is a joke.

I'm perfectly content to wait until the dust settles to modify my
mirror setup.

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Re: [Fwd: Fedora 8 and 9 updates status]

[Joe Christy]

  Vis-a-vis Jesse Keating's forwarded note of 2008-09-05 10:08:
> ...

> Today we've reached a major milestone in this progress.  We have done a
> successful compose of all the existing and as of yesterday pending
> updates for Fedora 8 and Fedora 9, all signed with our new keys.  These
> updates will soon hit mirrors in a new set of directory locations.

What, pray tell, are the new locations? I have local mirrors of the
F{8,9} updates, since it takes less time to rsync the trees than to do
multiple yum updates over my slim Internet connection.

> ...
> While we're working on this update, we'll also be drafting a FAQ page to
> explain to users what it is that we're doing, and hopefully answer some
> of the questions that will come up. ...

Where is that?

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Please save us from our
ignorance. Let's not be so busy making easy things trivial that we make
hard things an ordeal.

Joe

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Re: Fetchmail + Sendmail for local users ??

[Timothy Murphy]

Arun Shrimali wrote:

> It means that I have to configure fetchmail + dovecot and outlook or other
> client at local users PC.
> 
> Please mention the howto of this combination if any body knows ..

I'm no expert, but I collect my email with fetchmail
(and uucp, but that is almost certainly irrelevant)
on one computer, "helen".
I run dovecot (a simple IMAP server) on helen,
with Fedora's "service dovecot".

I read the email on any laptop with kmail,
which allows IMAP accounts.
The point of this (for me) is that the email remains on helen.

The only things one needs to do is edit /etc/dovecot.conf ,
which is straightforward, and add an IMAP account on kmail
which is also straightforward.

It may all be described in the Brennan home server tutorial
I mentioned before, at .


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Re: Fetchmail + Sendmail for local users ??

[Arun Shrimali]

Dear All,

It means that I have to configure fetchmail + dovecot and outlook or other
client at local users PC.

Please mention the howto of this combination if any body knows ..

regards

Arun


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> Arun Shrimali wrote:
>
> > I am planning to setup fetchmail + sendmail so that I can fetch mails
> from
> > remote server for few users and they can access mail through outlook
> > express
> > or  squirrel mail.
> >
> > Is the combination right ?? where can I get the how to about this
> > combination ?? I have googled but ...
>
> I do this, with cron jobs to run fetchmail from the different mail servers
> every few minutes.
> Actually, I save the email on one machine,
> and use IMAP (dovecot) to read it on various laptops.
>
> There might be something about this on Brennan's home server tutorial
> at .
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Re: Fetchmail + Sendmail for local users ??

[Timothy Murphy]

jdow wrote:

>> I do this, with cron jobs to run fetchmail from the different mail
>> servers every few minutes.
> 
> Why bother with a cron job. Fetchmail itself has a daemon mode. Use it.

Thanks, I didn't know about that.
I'm trying it now ("fetchmail -d 300").

Actually, I also fetch some mail by uucp,
but I don't think this can be brought within the auspices of fetchmail?

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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Aaron Konstam]

On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 08:26 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 16:35 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 15:07 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 09:39 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 18:46 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 15:47 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 14:22 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 20:35 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> > > > > > > > Can't one just edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop ,
> > > > > > > > or doesn't that work any more?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > It does work and has been mentioned here several times in the 
> > > > > > > past. Note
> > > > > > > that F9 doesn't seem to include the file by default so you have to
> > > > > > > create it, and of course know what to put in it. For KDE:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > #!/bin/sh
> > > > > > > DESKTOP="KDE"
> > > > > > > DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > poc
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > That does not work on my machine.
> > > > > 
> > > > > What does "not work" mean? What exactly happens? Have you restarted X
> > > > > after makimg the above changes? It's not enough just to log out and in
> > > > > again since you want to change the display manager (not just the 
> > > > > window
> > > > > manager). "init 3 && init 5" from a console should do the trick.
> > > > Not work means when I login I get GNOME not KDE.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > What do you think of .Xclient-default?
> > > > > 
> > > > > You mean .Xclients-default? It just seems to execute startkde on my
> > > > > system. That won't change the display manager either.
> > > > Actually running startkde does change the display manager.
> > > 
> > > According to
> > > http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-runtime/userguide/kde-startup-sequence.html
> > >  :
> > > 
> > > "The KDE startup sequence starts with the startkde script. In
> > > most cases this script gets called from the display manager
> > > (kdm) once the user has been authenticated."
> > > 
> > > > Which is how
> > > > switchsession is supposed to work. You just want to change the display
> > > > manager for thew one user not the whole machine.
> > > 
> > > I think you're confused about what the display manager does. Note that
> > > you can also run KDE under gdm, the Gnome Display Manager.
> > > 
> > > > This is
> > > > why /etc/sysconfig/desktop is not a candidate for the job.
> > > 
> > > So how come it works for me and apparently many other people?
> > > 
> > > poc
> > > 
> > You are partially right. Reread message replacing display manager by
> > window manager. Sorry for the mistake.
> 
> OK, rereading it with substitution we get:
> 
> "Actually running startkde does change the window manager ...
> Which is how switchsession is supposed to work. You just want to
> change the window manager for the one user not the whole
> machine"
> 
> To be pedantic, switchdesk (not "switchsession") doesn't explicitly
> change the window manager, it changes the desktop (which usually will
> change the window manager implicitly). However that's immaterial. If you
> look at what it does -- it's a Shell script so you can read it -- it
> just sets up some initialization files for the next user session. In the
> case of KDE, the initialization file simply searches for startkde in a
> number of standard places. Since you say that startkde works for you
> when run from a terminal, I'm at a loss to understand why this doesn't
> just work unless it's a bug in startkde itself.
> 
> > But you are wrong that the
> > contents of /etc/sysconfig/desktop controls which window manager is
> > booted when you login. Which is what I wanted to do. That does not work
> > for anyone.
> 
> Doesn't work for anyone? I'm telling you (again) that it works for me,
> and I think it also works for other people. Perhaps you meant it doesn't
> work for *everyone*, which is why we're discussing this.
> 
> poc
> 
Look, we have been at this too long. switchdesk changes the
file .Xclient-defaults but that file is not sourced on my machine. If
you know how to get it sourced when you login I will be glad to learn
something new.
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Re: [Fwd: Fedora 8 and 9 updates status]

[Aaron Konstam]

On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 03:06 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Aaron Konstam wrote:
> 
> > It ius low traffic but the messages are long and combined with their
> > links complex. It will take you probably of the order of hours to read
> > the whole message.
> 
> That seems a gross exaggeration to me. I can hardly think of any single 
> message that would take more than 10 minutes.
> 
> Rahul
> 
Ok, I will admit to a little exaggeration. But if you can read the last
announce-list post (reading all the text at the links cited) in 10
minutes you:
1. Are a highly skilled speed reader.
or:
2. Due to your involvement with Fedora at elevated levels know much of
the stuff included and can skip it.

But I am not saying that people should not subscribe to the
announce-list. You get some good information that way.
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Re: Script Test [OT]

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 02:27 -0600, kwhiskerz wrote:
> This is OT, but perhaps someone knows an answer.
> 
> Is there a way a script can determine which computer it is running on and 
> refuse to run if it is on the wrong computer?

How paranoid do you want to be? If the question is how to avoid
accidentally running something on the wrong machine, then the answer is
easy (check hostname, ip address, ...). If you want to avoid a malicious
computer running it, I doubt it can be done reliably.

So it's either easy or impossible.

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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 16:35 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 15:07 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 09:39 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 18:46 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 15:47 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 14:22 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 20:35 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> > > > > > > Can't one just edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop ,
> > > > > > > or doesn't that work any more?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It does work and has been mentioned here several times in the past. 
> > > > > > Note
> > > > > > that F9 doesn't seem to include the file by default so you have to
> > > > > > create it, and of course know what to put in it. For KDE:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > #!/bin/sh
> > > > > > DESKTOP="KDE"
> > > > > > DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > poc
> > > > > > 
> > > > > That does not work on my machine.
> > > > 
> > > > What does "not work" mean? What exactly happens? Have you restarted X
> > > > after makimg the above changes? It's not enough just to log out and in
> > > > again since you want to change the display manager (not just the window
> > > > manager). "init 3 && init 5" from a console should do the trick.
> > > Not work means when I login I get GNOME not KDE.
> > > > 
> > > > > What do you think of .Xclient-default?
> > > > 
> > > > You mean .Xclients-default? It just seems to execute startkde on my
> > > > system. That won't change the display manager either.
> > > Actually running startkde does change the display manager.
> > 
> > According to
> > http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-runtime/userguide/kde-startup-sequence.html
> >  :
> > 
> > "The KDE startup sequence starts with the startkde script. In
> > most cases this script gets called from the display manager
> > (kdm) once the user has been authenticated."
> > 
> > > Which is how
> > > switchsession is supposed to work. You just want to change the display
> > > manager for thew one user not the whole machine.
> > 
> > I think you're confused about what the display manager does. Note that
> > you can also run KDE under gdm, the Gnome Display Manager.
> > 
> > > This is
> > > why /etc/sysconfig/desktop is not a candidate for the job.
> > 
> > So how come it works for me and apparently many other people?
> > 
> > poc
> > 
> You are partially right. Reread message replacing display manager by
> window manager. Sorry for the mistake.

OK, rereading it with substitution we get:

"Actually running startkde does change the window manager ...
Which is how switchsession is supposed to work. You just want to
change the window manager for the one user not the whole
machine"

To be pedantic, switchdesk (not "switchsession") doesn't explicitly
change the window manager, it changes the desktop (which usually will
change the window manager implicitly). However that's immaterial. If you
look at what it does -- it's a Shell script so you can read it -- it
just sets up some initialization files for the next user session. In the
case of KDE, the initialization file simply searches for startkde in a
number of standard places. Since you say that startkde works for you
when run from a terminal, I'm at a loss to understand why this doesn't
just work unless it's a bug in startkde itself.

> But you are wrong that the
> contents of /etc/sysconfig/desktop controls which window manager is
> booted when you login. Which is what I wanted to do. That does not work
> for anyone.

Doesn't work for anyone? I'm telling you (again) that it works for me,
and I think it also works for other people. Perhaps you meant it doesn't
work for *everyone*, which is why we're discussing this.

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Re: Can't switch to KDE

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 16:37 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> Ypou are absolutely correct but I wanted to change the window manager
> not the display manager. I am sorry I got the terms confused in a
> previous message. switchdesk is supposed to do this.

Actually you want to change the *desktop*. Changing the window manager
alone is not enough (e.g. there are several window managers that work
with Gnome).

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NFS statd fails to start

[Paul Smith]

Dear All,

While booting F9, I NFS statd fails to start. Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,

Paul

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Re: When the floodgates open ...

[jdow]

From: "Timothy Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, 2008, September 06 04:21



When updates re-appear, will we have to do anything more
than say "yum update"?

Will we (common-or-garden users) have to do anything
to validate or accept the new key?


Good questions. I wonder if the infrastructure folks have figured
that out yet or not.

{^_-}

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Re: Fetchmail + Sendmail for local users ??

[jdow]

From: "Timothy Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, 2008, September 06 03:32



Arun Shrimali wrote:

I am planning to setup fetchmail + sendmail so that I can fetch mails 
from

remote server for few users and they can access mail through outlook
express
or  squirrel mail.

Is the combination right ?? where can I get the how to about this
combination ?? I have googled but ...


I do this, with cron jobs to run fetchmail from the different mail servers
every few minutes.


Why bother with a cron job. Fetchmail itself has a daemon mode. Use it.

{^_^} 


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Re: Fetchmail + Sendmail for local users ??

[jdow]

From: "Arun Shrimali" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, 2008, September 06 03:15



Dear All,

I have a remote mail server and domain where all our mails are received.
Locally I have a squid proxy server (non  transparent)  (on FC6) behind a
router through which my local users access the Internet as well as mails
(browser based client).

Problem :
Few of my users receives huge amount of mails, thus slow net connectivity
irritates them to check mails. I don't want to call all the mails on my
local server as few of the staff members wants to access mails from
different geographical locations.

Solution ??:
I am planning to setup fetchmail + sendmail so that I can fetch mails from
remote server for few users and they can access mail through outlook 
express

or  squirrel mail.

Is the combination right ?? where can I get the how to about this
combination ?? I have googled but ...


I keep a locked down sendmail running locally for log messages. It does
nothing else.

I use fetchmail on about 6 different accounts for two different people.
Fetchmail feeds procmail. It could feed almost anything else, too.
procmail performs the delivery. Along the way it cycles the email
through SpamAssassin with the clamav plugin for SA. The use of procmail
ensures I get the precise markup that SpamAssassin applies and not some
bowlderized version. It also allows me to play games and upon receipt
of email from clients play a short sound file. (I admit that I do strange
things.)

That all gets the mail into /var/spool/mail/. I then have
DoveCot installed (with POP3S and IMAPS) enabled. OutlookExpress speaks
to POP3S for grabbing mail and IMAPS for stuffing spam into a special
folder that is periodically fed to the "salearn" program for Bayes
training.

I use per user fetchmail. The .fetchmailrc typically looks like:
===8<---
defaults mda "/usr/bin/procmail -d jdow"
#set postmaster "jdow"
set syslog
set postmaster ""
set no bouncemail
set no spambounce
set properties ""
#set daemon 60
#set logfile fetchmail_el.log
poll smtp.earthlink.net with proto POP3
  user 'jdow' there with password 'ZUBFUSHIES IF YOU THINK THIS IS REAL'
  is '[EMAIL PROTECTED] MY MACHINE' here options pass8bits
  smtpaddress '  '

===8<---

The "poll" like is repeated as needed.

The guts of the .procmailrc file looks like this including a few nice
goodie ideas.
===8<---
#
# Necessary generic definitions
#
SHELL=/bin/sh
DROPPRIVS=yes
#VERBOSE=yes

## This is used when testing the file so that nothing is lost.
## rawmbox is no longer needed at this time.
#:0c: clone.lock
##* ^List-Id: .*(spamassassin\.apache\.org)
#$HOME/mail/rawmbox

#
# Then we install some deaths and diversions
#

:0:
* ^From: AntiSpam UOL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
#/dev/null
$HOME/mail/uol_crap

##
# Rewrite Reply-To: for SpamAssassin user list
##

:0 fw
* ^TO_:.*([EMAIL PROTECTED]|dev\.spamassassin\.apache\.org)
| formail -A "$PROCMAILMATCH SpamAssassin Dev list" -i "Reply-to: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]"


:0 fw
* ^TO_:.*([EMAIL PROTECTED]|users\.spamassassin\.apache\.org)
| formail -A "$PROCMAILMATCH SpamAssassin Users list" -i "Reply-to: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]"


:0 fw
* ^List-Id: 
.*([EMAIL PROTECTED]|users\.spamassassin\.apache\.org)
| formail -A "$PROCMAILMATCH SpamAssassin users list" -i "Reply-to: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]"


##
# run spamassassin on things not from the spamassassin list
# THIS IS THE RED MEAT
##
:0
* < 50
* !^List-Id: .*(spamassassin\.apache.\org)
{
  :0 fw: spamassassin.lock
  | /usr/bin/spamc -t 150 -u jdow
}

# if too big at least test the header with a safe dummy body.
:0
* > 49
{
  :0 hc
  $HOME/mm/headers

  :0 hfw: spamassassin.lock
  | cat - mail_dummy | /usr/bin/spamc -t 150 -u jdow
}
===8<---

For reference I use SpamAssassin with per user rules. Both my partner and I
write rules as needed.

I hope this helps.

{^_^}Joanne

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When the floodgates open ...

[Timothy Murphy]

When updates re-appear, will we have to do anything more
than say "yum update"?

Will we (common-or-garden users) have to do anything
to validate or accept the new key?

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Re: Regarding Fedora core 7

[Frank Murphy]

On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 17:36 +0530, winiston wrote:

>  
> Can you provide the VGA driver for Fedora core 7?
>  
> How to make it works?
>  

Fedora 7 no longer supported.
End of Life
Upgrade to Fedora 8 or 9

Frank

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Re: Fetchmail + Sendmail for local users ??

[Timothy Murphy]

Arun Shrimali wrote:

> I am planning to setup fetchmail + sendmail so that I can fetch mails from
> remote server for few users and they can access mail through outlook
> express
> or  squirrel mail.
> 
> Is the combination right ?? where can I get the how to about this
> combination ?? I have googled but ...

I do this, with cron jobs to run fetchmail from the different mail servers
every few minutes.
Actually, I save the email on one machine,
and use IMAP (dovecot) to read it on various laptops.

There might be something about this on Brennan's home server tutorial
at .

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Fetchmail + Sendmail for local users ??

[Arun Shrimali]

Dear All,

I have a remote mail server and domain where all our mails are received.
Locally I have a squid proxy server (non  transparent)  (on FC6) behind a
router through which my local users access the Internet as well as mails
(browser based client).

Problem :
Few of my users receives huge amount of mails, thus slow net connectivity
irritates them to check mails. I don't want to call all the mails on my
local server as few of the staff members wants to access mails from
different geographical locations.

Solution ??:
I am planning to setup fetchmail + sendmail so that I can fetch mails from
remote server for few users and they can access mail through outlook express
or  squirrel mail.

Is the combination right ?? where can I get the how to about this
combination ?? I have googled but ...

Regards

Arun
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Re: Dell OptiPlex 745 reboot problem -- BIOS update went poorly

[Jonathan Underwood]

2008/9/5 Johnathan Hegge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Ugh, I was having the same problem with my 745.  So, I drug out a USB
> floppy and applied the latest BIOS -- going from 2.3.1 to 2.6.2 from
> Dell.  Whoops.
>
> Starting up looks fine, all services showed OK.  Gets to local, X starts
> and the box freezes at the spinning dots with a frozen mouse.  Can't
> break with Ctrl-Alt-Del or Ctrl-Backspace.
>

I have a couple of the optiplex 745 line running Fedora (from about 6
upwards to 9 currently) and have upgraded the bios from
2.3.1->2.4.1->2.6.2. At no point did I see the problems you're having.
Makes me suspect you have a hardware fault somewhere - have you tried
running memtest overnight?

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Re: Jack Audio Not Working

[Jeremy]

Hello Chris,

What soundcard are you using? Could you post the output of cat 
/proc/asound/cards? And the options with which you fire up jackd?


Jeremy

Chris Spencer wrote:

I'm unable to hear any audio using the Jack server. I've followed the
guide at http://www.passback.org.uk/music/fedora-music-intro/ and
everything seems to work, except that I don't hear anything. If I
connect VKeybd to ZynAddSubFX using QJackCtl, then hitting keys in
VKeybd causes the decibels to spike in ZynAddSubFX, so I think Jack is
working but it's output isn't getting to ALSA.

Another interesting point is that while Jack's running, I can't play
music in any other apps (Audacious, VLC, Timidity, etc). However, as
soon as I stop Jack, sound returns.

Is this a bug somewhere, or could I have something mis-configured? Any
help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Chris

  


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Re: Dell OptiPlex 745 reboot problem -- BIOS update went poorly

[Bjørn Tore Sund]

Changing the subject like that is normally a very good way to make sure I
won't spot your reply...

> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:51:59 -0500
> From: Johnathan Hegge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Dell OptiPlex 745 reboot problem -- BIOS update went poorly
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> > 
> > Got tons of Dell Optiplex 7XX, had that exact problem.  Solution is
> > two-step:
> > 1. Flash up the bios.  The ones they're shipped with suck bigtime.
> > 2. Add the kernel parameter "reboot=bios" to all kernel lines in
> > /boot/grub/menu.lst
> > 
> > Solved it for us.
> > 
> > -BT
>
> Ugh, I was having the same problem with my 745.  So, I drug out a USB
> floppy and applied the latest BIOS -- going from 2.3.1 to 2.6.2 from
> Dell.  Whoops.
> 
> Starting up looks fine, all services showed OK.  Gets to local, X starts
> and the box freezes at the spinning dots with a frozen mouse.  Can't
> break with Ctrl-Alt-Del or Ctrl-Backspace.
> 
> Hard power, restart, interactive init.  Allow all, but skip local.  X
> starts fine.  
> 
> rc.local contains:


1. Did you apply the reboot=bios setting as well?
2. Did you try more than once, with the new bios?

What you're describing sounds more like a fluke, or at least a problem
unrelated to the bios update.  There's nothing in your rc.local, thus
nothing there which should make a difference.  Reapply the most recent bios,
set the kernel boot parameter, and give it a few more tries to check.

-BT
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Re: is it possible to create an orphaned process?

[Alan Cox]

On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:40:32 -0700
Konstantin Svist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I have an odd application that has threads which hang around until all
> child processes have finished executing.
> I'd like to create a background process that isn't a child of said
> thread, so that the thread can exit.
> 
> Can this be done cleanly?

Yes

man 3 daemon

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Re: Secrecy and user trust

[jdow]

From: "Anders Karlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, 2008, September 05 13:12



* jdow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20080905 20:52]:

From: "Anders Karlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, 2008, September 05 00:50



* jdow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20080905 08:56]:

Suppose I have NO RedHat installed. I have no working computer near
me. I want to install Fedora 9. How do I establish the ability to
subject the packages to tests for being properly signed, that the
key used in the test is correct, and that I am reading and updating
from a legitimate mirror?


In this event you are likely installing from physical media, which
will have the public key on it already. If you do not trust that media
- why are you installing from it?


Where did I get the media? How do I establish the chain of trust?
Perhaps I downloaded with an old copy of Red Hat 4.0 I had laying
around. If trust can be established from zero then it can happen
again.


You had no OS installed - so where did you get the media from?
The only thing that matters at this point is whether you do, or not,
trust the media you are installing from? If you do - then you will
have a good key on the media that will validate updates later.


I probably should have said no OS new enough to have been signed. That
is why I amplified it to the old copy of RH4 or maybe a really antique
Slackware. The idea is that I had something via which I could initialize
the bootstrap process - barely.

Basically I had to trust that when I logged into download.fedora...
that I went to the right place and nobody in the middle was in a
position to futz the results. If I was paranoid I could then go to
several of the other mirror sites and perform downloads of at least
the signatures to see if they were bit copies of each other.

I could, with enough work, establish trust. I can, if needed, do that
again. Poof - much discussion about nothing new. It's all old well
covered territory.


Once you have installed the system - the updates you are pulling down
will be verified with the key that was on the media - unless you
actively go and switch off the gpg checking.


If I am actually going to the right mirrors and not a setup of fast
flux servers full of malware that will be true.


Mu.

The Fedora installation media installs repo configs that point to the
Fedora projects servers. Your comment indicates that you believe your
ISP and the DNS servers you use are compromised. At this point - all
bets are off.


As others have already pointed out - it's a question of trust. At some
point or other - you have to decide what you trust. If you do not
trust something, do not use it (and then live with the consequences of
that choice).


Exactly. This is the point. If I can proceed from zero and establish
trust once I can do it again. So I am unclear over what the problem
in that regard can be such that it would stall the process of getting
rolling again.

I can see other items causing a hitch in the gitalong. But I cannot
see any means other than trusting my DNS server and the routers
between download.fedora.redhat.com and me. If I could trust them once
I can trust them again. So the focus of this thread is wrong. It
should be more along the lines of "How can a company that uses RPM
and signed packages arrange to have the packages multiply signed so
that both an old obsolete key works and a new key works?"

THAT is probably not a simple problem. I also suspect it is not something
considered in designing rpm itself or the distribution system.


This is what the infrastructure team have been working on, and reading
the fedora-devel list should give answers to the plans that they have.

It would appear that you can only sign a package with a single key at
a time. I just tested it.


Of course, if you think about it an RPM that will accept multiple
signatures would also have to have a proper signature revocation protocol
involved. But how does that prevent someone who has compromised the
key from issueing a revoke and a new key that is next used to sign a
full set of forged RPMs? I imagine the Fedora and Red Hat fellows have
their hands seriously full figuring out how they are going to handle
the whole process.


[snip]


If trust can be established once, it can be establised again the same way
as many times as needed. So the discussion needs to move to what may be
the REAL problem. Can an rpm be signed with multiple keys in any
meaningful way so that people pre-update can still grab the key updates
and compare files prior to a specific date against the old key while new
files compare against the new key.


It appears the answer is no. Only one signature at a time. This is one
of the problems the infrastructure team have been wrestling with.


If THAT can be done it seems like both this discussion and the delay
are somewhat spurious, right?


It would appear the discussion is not entirely spurious. ;-)


Large chunks of the discussion have bypassed the main problems in flights
of trust fantasy. They 

Re: Script Test [OT]

[Luciano Rocha]

On Sat, Sep 06, 2008 at 02:27:27AM -0600, kwhiskerz wrote:
> This is OT, but perhaps someone knows an answer.
> 
> Is there a way a script can determine which computer it is running on and 
> refuse to run if it is on the wrong computer?
> 
> if [ some case ]; then

if [ "$(hostname -s)" = "puter" ]; then
  echo running
fi

Or, for multiple cases:

case "$(hostname -s)" in
  ws*)
do_something
;;
  db*|app*)
do_other
;;
esac

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Script Test [OT]

[kwhiskerz]

This is OT, but perhaps someone knows an answer.

Is there a way a script can determine which computer it is running on and 
refuse to run if it is on the wrong computer?

if [ some case ]; then
 run
else
 don't run
fi


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Re: Reasons behind defaulting atd and sendmail

[Cameron Simpson]

On 05Sep2008 18:32, Michael Cronenworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You continuously explain what *you* do with your system, but have yet to  
> give a wider, more useful reason for enabling sendmail and atd at 
> startup.

Gah. Wake up. It doesn't matter what one of _us_ does with our system,
it matters that the system is there at all in a functional sense.

UNIX is a multiprocess system. _Any_ system process may wish to schedule
an activity for later, or report on stuff by email. atd and sendmail
are the standard way these things are done on UNIX. If they are not
there, things will not work. The pretty Gnomic scheduley thing uses cron
underneath. Cron reports by sendmail! Because it should not need
anything else, and if you disable it at boot it needs something else!
That's really stupid.

Thunderbird is in many ways a slightly broken app in that it requires the
user to configure mail dispatch. Mail dispatch is a _general_ facility,
used be every facility on the system, and every user. You configure it
once for the system, not once per user, per app! That's insane.

Configuring mail is a _system_ thing, just like configuring the clock
and configuring the network. It is _not_ an "app" or "user" thing.

atd should live, so anything can schedule one off tasks, just like crond
should be live so anything can schedule repeating tasks and
sendmail/postfix/qmail/whatever should be live so anything can send email,
just like the X11 server should be live so you can run your apps and live the
kernel should be live so it can all work.

atd and sendmail are basic services. Just because _you_ don't realise or
understand that _everything_ should be able to expect their presence
doesn't mean they shouldn't be there.
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nvidia quadro 135m issues - fc9

[d830usr]

I have a problem which I was hoping someone could send me in the right 
direction. I have a nvidia quadro 135m working with the latest driver from the 
nvidia site on fc9, but occasionally my screen will flicker, even when the 
screen is idle. Additionally any time I have the laptop docked using dual 
screens my they will both display very "chopped up" pictures and machine will 
freeze to the point of having to hard boot it.

Any insight/help/thoughts/flames are much appreciated.


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