date:20081031


I run Gnome; KDE has always grated on me for some reason -- but I 
do use Konqueror and K3B often. Do I have to install KDE in toto under F9 
to get those two? Or is there a way to tell yum to get them and only what 
they have to have?

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Re: getting a minimum of KDE

2008-10-31 Thread Paul W. Frields

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 01:23:14PM +, Beartooth wrote:
> 
>   I run Gnome; KDE has always grated on me for some reason --
> but I do use Konqueror and K3B often. Do I have to install KDE in
> toto under F9 to get those two? Or is there a way to tell yum to get
> them and only what they have to have?

These programs require underlying libraries to run properly.  Those
libraries are stored in separate packages which must also be
installed.  The link between those two is "known" by the RPM
database. That linkage, a dependency, must be solved by yum to install
the programs you want and have them actually work.

So the best way to do this is:

$ su -c 'yum install kdebase k3b'

Anything that comes down the pipe, at that point, is required in fact
to let you run konqueror and k3b.

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Re: Fedora 10 and Xen (at this point)?

2008-10-31 Thread Kevin Martin



Robert Locke wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 20:03 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote:
>   
>> M A Young wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008, Kevin Martin wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 What is the status of XEN and Fedora 10 at this point?  The website
 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XenPvopsDom0 shows a last update
 date of 7/30/08.
 
>>> It is still domU only. It might be in Fedora 11 depending on when the
>>> upstream kernel gets PvopsDom0 support (maybe in 2.6.28).
>>>
>>> Michael Young
>>>
>>>   
>> So does that mean it can run as the domain controller but not as a VM on
>> another domain controller?  Am I reading what that means correctly?
>>
>> 
>
> Nope, reverse it.  Dom0 is the "controller", DomU is the "guest".  F8 is
> the last Fedora to have Dom0 support.
>
> --Rob
>
>
>   
Crud.  After I replied I re-read what I wrote and thought that I must
have reversed it.  Guess it's time to rebuild my box to F8 (which is
where I started yesterday)!  Why even have F10 xen rpm's if it's not
available as a dom0 architecture?

Kevin

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RE: Fedora 10 and Xen (at this point)?

2008-10-31 Thread Joseph L. Casale

>Why even have F10 xen rpm's if it's not
>available as a dom0 architecture?

"It is still domU only", so those are for DomU.

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Re: CUPS, Alpine, and printserving

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:44:19 +0100, Björn Persson wrote:

> Beartooth wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:48:27 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
>> > You should be able to administer all the CUPS setups from one
>> > machine,
>>
>>  I tried that again this morning. No joy. If I type
>> http://192.168.x.y:631/admin into firefox on 192.168.x.z, I get a 503
>> from privoxy : connect failed.
> 
> 1: Check that Cups is actually listening on the network. Run this
> command as root on the machine where the printer is:
> 
> netstat --inet --inet6 --listen --program --numeric | grep cupsd
> 
> Does it say "192.168.x.y:631" or "127.0.0.1:631"?

No, neither. 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# netstat --inet --inet6 --listen --program --numeric | 
grep cupsd
tcp0  0 0.0.0.0:631 
0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN  2526/cupsd  
tcp0  
0 :::631  :::*LISTEN  
2526/cupsd  
udp0  0 0.0.0.0:631 
0.0.0.0:*   2526/cupsd  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# 

(Btw, the formatting is bad here, too: I have to run fairly large 
fonts in my gnome-terminal to be able to read with any comfort, alas!)

> 2: Do you have a packet filter ("firewall") on the machine where the
> printer is? Have you opened the IPP ports in the packet filter?

How do I tell?

I have whatever F9 defaults to; I've tried to disable SELinux, 
but not I think succeeded.

Lacking the skills to be sure whether I've been cracked, let 
alone those to recover, I try to be paranoid; I install denyhosts, for 
instance, and likely other defenses that don't spring to mind.

Also, the router that my ISP supplies (Netgear MBR 814) supplies 
several kinds of defenses, which I have tried to set with caution. When I 
want to do bittorrent, for instance, I have to go change the router 
settings for a while. (I try to leave them changed long enough to give 
back more that I take, before I change them back; but I haven't actually 
used the torrent in months, so they are probably tight.)

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Re: CUPS, Alpine, and printserving

On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 21:52 +, Beartooth wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:29:41 +, James Wilkinson wrote:
>   [...]
> > May I recommend you start here? Find out which one of these entries
> > works, use it, and delete the other. Don’t look into network printing
> > until you’ve got local printing working reliably.
> > 
> > Having two entries for the same printer on the same computer is an
> > opportunity for both CUPS and you to get confused.¹
> > 
> > Once you’ve got local printing working, then you may want to start from
> > scratch on other PC, so you know you’re sharing the printer entry that
> > works.
>   [...]
> > ¹ There are sometimes good reasons for doing so, mind, but that’s more
> > advanced stuff.
> 
>   Yes, somebody else recommended that, and I did it as soon as I 
> was sure he meant it.
> 
>   The current situation is that printing works on #1, where the 
> printer is -- and not from the others.
> 
> -
Ok, here is the deal. Configure all the printers on the server. On the
clients do no configuration at all ,none. And you will be able to print
to all the printers. Any configuration you do on the clients will
undoubtedly screw things up. One exception. In the /etc/cups/client.conf
file you can fill in the ServerName line with the address of the server.
Leave the admin boxes alone.
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Re: kernel: martian messages

2008-10-31 Thread Seann Clark


Frank Cox wrote:

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:23:34 -0700
Aldo Foot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

Oct 28 08:53:28 myhost kernel: martian source 255.255.255.255 from



  

what do they mean?



A "martian source" is an invalid IP address.  In your case, 255.255.255.255 is
the IP address.  It's impossible for that to be a valid address, not least
because *.*.*.255 is a broadcast address.

  
A little clarification, a "martian source" isn't strictly an invalid IP. 
It is usually triggered when the kernel routing table doesn't match 
where it expects the IP address. I see this a lot on my firewall, but 
that is because both my ISP and myself use a 10.x.x.x private IP range 
that overlaps. They use it for the management of the cable modems, and I 
use it for more traditional uses. This results in my firewalls Kernel 
expecting 10.x to come in on eth3, not eth1 so the kernel fires off a 
martian source message with the details of the problem.


In terms of a broadcast range, since most proper broadcasts on more up 
to date TCP stacks use x.x.x.255 as the broadcast, not a full 'every 
network possible' broadcast (255.255.255.255) it will fire off an alert 
that something it trying a mass broadcast that it doesn't expect (since 
that broadcast range will not match its known route table). This 
broadcast IP can be seen a lot on DHCP type setups, or other discovery 
items on a computer. You can also see occasional 224-236.x.x.x ranges 
fire off the same messages on the box, for multicast messages.



A good example of a non-invalid IP address message is off my 
firewall(Sanitized a bit, of course):


Oct 29 01:39:08 fw kernel: martian source 192.168.1.1 from 68.10.11.12, 
on dev eth1
Oct 29 01:39:08 fw kernel: ll header: 
00:e0:81:2a:1f:b8:00:30:b8:c6:c3:90:08:00
Oct 29 01:39:11 fw kernel: martian source 192.168.1.1 from 68.10.11.12, 
on dev eth1
Oct 29 01:39:11 fw kernel: ll header: 
00:e0:81:2a:1f:b8:00:30:b8:c6:c3:90:08:00
Oct 29 01:39:11 fw kernel: martian source 192.168.1.1 from 68.10.11.12, 
on dev eth1
Oct 29 01:39:11 fw kernel: ll header: 
00:e0:81:2a:1f:b8:00:30:b8:c6:c3:90:08:00


To break it down simply, there is a problem with how the routes are 
seeing the end results of my firewall as the wrong source (The internal 
gateway versus the public IP) with eth1 being the interface with the 68 
address assigned.



Not to completely shoot down the last response, but it is an invalid 
address, that is true, same as any of the private IP ranges are seen on 
the Internet.



Sorry for the long winded reply, but this was something I know pretty 
well since I see it a lot.



Regards,
Seann



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Re: best fedora-out-of-the-box pcmcia wifi?

2008-10-31 Thread Mike

Tony Placilla  jhuadig.admin.jhu.edu> writes:

> Based upoin a similar question I posted to this list about a month ago I
purchased an Edimax PCI wireless for
> my kid's workstation & later got the USB dongle ( EW-7318USg) for my craptop.
> It Just Works(tm)

Indeed the usb dongle is the same one that I use - it worked flawlessly on f8 
and f9 - though I have not tested f10 beta at this time.

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Re: CUPS, Alpine, and printserving

2008-10-31 Thread Tim Waugh

On Fri, 2008-10-31 at 08:50 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> Ok, here is the deal. Configure all the printers on the server. On the
> clients do no configuration at all ,none. And you will be able to print
> to all the printers.

This used to be the case.  Unfortunately, starting with Fedora 9, the
minimum that is now needed on the clients has changed from "none" to:

* enable Network Printing Client (IPP) packets through the firewall by
selection System->Administration->Firewall, selecting the "Network
Printing Client (IPP)" check-box and clicking Apply.

Tim.
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RE: Fedora 10 and Xen (at this point)?

2008-10-31 Thread M A Young


On Fri, 31 Oct 2008, Joseph L. Casale wrote:


Why even have F10 xen rpm's if it's not
available as a dom0 architecture?


"It is still domU only", so those are for DomU.


Except you don't need the xen packages inside a domU host, just a xen 
enabled kernel (which for F10 is the ordinary kernel). I would have said 
they are there for when Dom0 starts working again, and that might occur 
within F10 if the Dom0 hooks are in 2.6.28 and F10 is updated to that 
kernel, which is certainly possible during the lifetime of F10.


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Re: [Off-topic]cvs hangs due a dangling nfs.

2008-10-31 Thread Todd Denniston


Rick Stevens wrote, On 10/30/2008 07:04 PM:

Marcelo M. Garcia wrote:

Hi

I use automount to share a partition via NFS so every machine can 
mount this share. For example, the machine "abc" has a partitio /abc 
and other machines mounts /users/abc.


One the machines was removed (retired), but now a few clients can't 
use the CVS server. After the command "cvs history...", it simply sits 
and wait.




Please tell us that your $CVSROOT contains :pserver:|:ext:|:extssh: and not a 
:fork:|:local:|direct pointer to the file system...


because using CVS across a Network File System (including smb|cif) has been 
the recipe for corrupted repository data for a very long time.

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=corrupt+nfs&submit=Search%21&idxname=info-cvs&max=20&result=normal&sort=score
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=corrupt+network+&submit=Search%21&idxname=info-cvs&max=10&result=normal&sort=score
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=%7Bnetwork+file+system%7D&submit=Search%21&idxname=info-cvs&max=20&result=normal&sort=score

If you do use cvs across nfs, may I suggest you investigate the use of 
verify_repo running on what ever machine now physically hosts the repository.


verify_repo A perl script to check an entire repository for corruption.
Contributed by Donald Sharp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/ccvs/contrib/validate_repo.pl?revision=1.4&root=cvs&view=markup


I know that the problem is in accessing the retired machine because of 
the command "strace cvs history".


Is there a way to find where is this reference to the old machine? 
Something like /etc/mtab?


Part II (Really Off-topic)
Is there a way to find which machines are client of a NFS share? So 
that before the shutdown I could umount in the clients?


"showmount -d" or "showmount -a" on the NFS server should give you a
list of the clients that have made a mount request.  There's no
guarantee that they STILL have a valid mount...if a client doesn't issue
an umount command (e.g. simply goes tits up), the server will still
think there's a valid mount.  See "man showmount" for details.

You should make sure the clients mount "soft".  That way if the server
goes away, any request made by the client should eventually time out.
If they do a hard mount, the request will hang until the server comes
back.


I would like to respectfully disagree with the suggestion to use the soft 
mount option, or at least suggest only using it if you understand and can live 
with the implications.

*"soft   If an NFS file operation has a major timeout then report
an  I/O error to the calling program."
and some programs don't deal with the error well, by that I mean I have seen**:
 cp and tar when writing large (>1MB) files across the net introduce multiple 
faults in the file being copied (i.e. the md5|sha1 sums do NOT match 
afterwards) with out issuing a fault message at all.
 gnome & Firefox (on account initialization), create a sort-of 
file&directory&link combination (it was supposed to be a directory to hold 
files, but it turned into a monster NODE that was interesting to remove from 
the server even AS root).
These kinds of errors stopped immediately after changing clients to hard,intr, 
and would return if we changed back to soft.


The better option most times is hard,intr which will "continue retrying 
indefinitely" but " then  allow signals to interupt the file operation and 
cause it to return EINTR  to  the  calling program."


*see man nfs for quoted material. :)
**on a network with over 30 folks using nfs for home, project work, and 
included other network traffic at moderate to high volume (10 to 75% of 100Mb 
links).


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Re: Installing a RPM

2008-10-31 Thread Jim


James Wilkinson wrote:

Jim wrote:
  

I got OpenOffice-3.0-rpm from Open Office.
I was thinking, would a rpm install of openoffice from the rawhide repo  
work, to install OOo-3 in FC8.

That way you could get all dependencies .



Unfortunately, those dependencies would include a lot of Rawhide. You’d
be running an untested amalgam of F8 and what will become F10. It will
probably work, but you’ll get little sympathy or advice if things don’t
work well.

Hope this helps,

James.

  

Yes I have found that out.
I'am resign to the fact that I'll have to wait for the release of  FC10.

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Re: 16GB USB Drive Not Accessible

2008-10-31 Thread Robin Laing


Christopher A. Williams wrote:

I recently bought a snazzy new 16GB USB pen drive from the local store -
it was only $29! I have several drives that are 8GB and smaller from the
same store that are the same brand.

Imagine my surprise when:
* The 16GB drive is not accessible on either F9 or F10 Snap 3
* The 8GB drives all work just fine on both F9 and F10 Snap 3
* The 16GB drive works fine on Windows XP
* The 16GB drive also works on a Windows XP VM running on top of F9!!!

I can only conclude from this that something is a miss that causes F9 to
not be able to access and use USB pen drives that are bigger than 8GB,
and that this most likely has something to do with a file system driver
or such.

Anyone else seen this yet? Is there a fix / work-around?



I had issues as well with various drives.

First rule is don't get any drive with U3 software.  Remove this as I 
have had data losses due to it.  It also affects the USB bus.



My Corsair had issues and I submitted a bug report with Corsair.  There 
is a timing issue


It may not be the same with yours but could be important to others. 
Just something that I thought I would share.




http://www.asktheramguy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73036

Whenever you create multiple partitions or a non fat(32) file system in 
a partition on the stick the inquiry of the stick timeouts. The default 
linux timeout is set for 5 secs, and the stick takes 14.5 seconds. So if 
you set the timeout to 15 seconds or more, and reinsert the stick, the 
stick should be mountable and readable. Just remember to add this to 
your boot scripts, or repeat it every time you reboot the kernel.


The inquiry timeout can be set to 15 sec with the following command line:
Code:

   echo 15 >/sys/module/scsi_mod/parameters/inq_timeout

Or if you prefer the grub command line is :
Code:

   scsi_mod.inq_timeout=15

I hope this longer timeout will someday be standard for the kernel. Or 
maybe part of an exception list when a prolific 2528 stick is detected.



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Re: best fedora-out-of-the-box pcmcia wifi?

2008-10-31 Thread Mike

Mike  gmail.com> writes:

> > Based upoin a similar question I posted to this list about a month ago I
> purchased an Edimax PCI wireless for
> > my kid's workstation & later got the USB dongle ( EW-7318USg) for my 
> > craptop.
> > It Just Works(tm)
> 
> Indeed the usb dongle is the same one that I use - it worked flawlessly on f8 
> and f9 - though I have not tested f10 beta at this time.

Actually I realised mine is the 7318Ug (not 7318USg)...




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Re: getting a minimum of KDE

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:29:20 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
[]
> These programs require underlying libraries to run properly.  Those
> libraries are stored in separate packages which must also be installed. 
> The link between those two is "known" by the RPM database. That linkage,
> a dependency, must be solved by yum to install the programs you want and
> have them actually work.
> 
> So the best way to do this is:
> 
> $ su -c 'yum install kdebase k3b'
> 
> Anything that comes down the pipe, at that point, is required in fact to
> let you run konqueror and k3b.

Ok; it got 44 of them. Many thanks! Among other things, 
man:whatever is far and away the easiest way to read a man page, 
especially if your regular terminal font is too large to format one 
properly. Thanks again!

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Re: Mails


On 10/29/2008 10:08 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 15:59 +0200, Hilton Britten wrote:
  

Hi, is there away to take me of the mail list where members of the
forum send me mail, some of the mail is coming though two to three
times a day.
Please help.



Read the second last line of every single message on this list.

poc

  


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Re: Fedora vs RedHat

2008-10-31 Thread Bruno Wolff III

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:05:28 -0700,
  Rick Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Fedora is the "beta test, bleeding edge" test version.  If it works

It's not a beta. It is more of a proving ground things that may be used in
future Red Hat releases. You won't be able to update from Fedora to any
Red Hat release without needing to do some extra work to resolve conflicts
as you might expect updating from a beta version of a soon to be released
product to the final product.

While isn't intented to be unstable things, get missed sometimes and updates
can break things for some of the users. The breakage rate seems to be higher
than what happens for Red Hat products, so in that sense there is higher
risk to take into account as with running a beta version of a product.

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Re: FEDORA net etiquette

2008-10-31 Thread Bruno Wolff III

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 04:11:16 +,
  g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> you use mutt. can mutt not send 'text/plain' in 8 bit?

smtp isn't 8 bit clean. So even text/plain may need to be encoded if it
uses stuff out of the normal ascii set.

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Re: Fedora 10 and Xen (at this point)?

2008-10-31 Thread Kevin Martin



M A Young wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008, Joseph L. Casale wrote:
>
>>> Why even have F10 xen rpm's if it's not
>>> available as a dom0 architecture?
>>
>> "It is still domU only", so those are for DomU.
>
> Except you don't need the xen packages inside a domU host, just a xen
> enabled kernel (which for F10 is the ordinary kernel). I would have
> said they are there for when Dom0 starts working again, and that might
> occur within F10 if the Dom0 hooks are in 2.6.28 and F10 is updated to
> that kernel, which is certainly possible during the lifetime of F10.
>
> Michael Young
>
That makes sense.  I didn't think they were required for a domU.

Thanks.

Kevin

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Re: Fedora vs RedHat


Bruno Wolff III wrote:



Fedora is the "beta test, bleeding edge" test version.  If it works


It's not a beta.


That would imply that adequate testing has been done before shipping.


It is more of a proving ground things that may be used in
future Red Hat releases.


And that would imply that fedora users are, in fact, the real testers. 
Which has been my experience...  Is there some published list of 
hardware that is tested to boot before an update is pushed out, or a set 
of commands that are confirmed to work across some set of hardware types?


The real problem with this from a user's perspective is that no version 
of fedora ever 'matures'.  That is, you can participate in the process, 
report bugs, etc., but you never end up with a resulting improved, 
stable version that is useful for any length of time because every 
version is quickly discarded and replaced with new betas from upstream.


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Re: Fedora vs RedHat

Les Mikesell wrote:
> 
> The real problem with this from a user's perspective is that no version
> of fedora ever 'matures'.  That is, you can participate in the process,
> report bugs, etc., but you never end up with a resulting improved,
> stable version that is useful for any length of time because every
> version is quickly discarded and replaced with new betas from upstream.
> 
This is a problem? I thought that was what most of us were here for.

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Re: CUPS, Alpine, and printserving

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:50:59 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
[...]
>>  The current situation is that printing works on #1, where the
>> printer is -- and not from the others.
>> 
>> -
> Ok, here is the deal. Configure all the printers on the server. On the
> clients do no configuration at all ,none. And you will be able to print
> to all the printers. Any configuration you do on the clients will
> undoubtedly screw things up. One exception. In the /etc/cups/client.conf
> file you can fill in the ServerName line with the address of the server.
> Leave the admin boxes alone.

This confuses me. It reads as if the problem were using several 
printers from one machine.

Not so. I have only one printer, but I need to be able to use it 
from at least four machines -- the PCs at my desk. (If I can eventually 
also use it from the wireless laptops a/o from my wife's PC downstairs 
(all of them on the LAN, at least when at home and booted), so much the 
better.)

Are we at cross-purposes? Or am I just imagining so?

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Re: CUPS, Alpine, and printserving

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:22:18 +, Tim Waugh wrote:

> On Fri, 2008-10-31 at 08:50 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
>> Ok, here is the deal. Configure all the printers on the server. On the
>> clients do no configuration at all ,none. And you will be able to print
>> to all the printers.
> 
> This used to be the case.  Unfortunately, starting with Fedora 9, the
> minimum that is now needed on the clients has changed from "none" to:
> 
> * enable Network Printing Client (IPP) packets through the firewall by
> selection System->Administration->Firewall, selecting the "Network
> Printing Client (IPP)" check-box and clicking Apply.

WOW!! What a difference! I did that on machine #2 (only, so far).

When I click on Printers, I see what the machine thinks are 
*nine* : my wife's downstairs is there twice, once as itself and once 
with "-fax" appended to it. All the other seven are my one machine, once 
as default with my name for the machine it's on, but no IP; the others 
have either an IP or some other indication where they are; I'm seeing it 
double on #1 (as default and not), and double on #4 (with its same 
correct IP both times, not together); sometimes it shows as published, 
sometimes not.

I tried to print the router's table, with IP and MAC numbers, 
from a browser (Konqueror, despite the fact i run Gnome); but it just 
asked me if the printer were connected.

Iiuc, I should go do the same on the other two clients (machine 
#3 and #4, no printer attached), but *not* on #1, which does have the 
printer, and must therefore be acting as the server. Right?

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Re: 16GB USB Drive Not Accessible

2008-10-31 Thread Phil Meyer


Christopher A. Williams wrote:

...

Now, one last question: what's the flag to format a FAT32 partition with
mkfs? I saw options for pretty much everything but that. I'm probably
just suffering from not having had my first cup of coffee... :)
  



I deal with this often, as its part of my job to produce bootable pen 
drives and CF cards.  I like using pungi and revisor to roll a product 
specific distro, and using livecd tools for copying them to the pen drives.


Most of this is scripted for convenience, but all new drives go through 
a process like this:


Stomp on the MBR:

cat /usr/lib/syslinux/mbr.bin >/dev/${disc}

That particular file is a generic GPL MBR.  Its part of the syslinux rpm.

Run fdisk to delete all partitions and recreate just what is necessary 
-- the script for that is kinda hard to read unless you are intimate 
with fdisk, so I won't post it here to prevent confusion.


Be sure to tag the primary (assuming 1 here) partition as bootable.

Then to format:

mkfs -t vfat -F 32 -n "$name" /dev/${disc}1

Some vendors like to really mess with their thumb drives, requiring a 
bad sector check during format.  Add a -c to the above for that.  It 
takes a bit longer, but might help on a stubborn drive.


Good luck!


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Re: Fedora vs RedHat


Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:

Les Mikesell wrote:

The real problem with this from a user's perspective is that no version
of fedora ever 'matures'.  That is, you can participate in the process,
report bugs, etc., but you never end up with a resulting improved,
stable version that is useful for any length of time because every
version is quickly discarded and replaced with new betas from upstream.


This is a problem? I thought that was what most of us were here for.


Are you working simply to improve your computer?  I thought the machines 
were supposed to work for us.


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Re: CUPS, Alpine, and printserving

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:43:14 +, Beartooth wrote:

> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:22:18 +, Tim Waugh wrote:
[...] 
>> * enable Network Printing Client (IPP) packets through the firewall by
>> selection System->Administration->Firewall, selecting the "Network
>> Printing Client (IPP)" check-box and clicking Apply.
> 
>   WOW!! What a difference! I did that on machine #2 (only, so far).
> 
>   When I click on Printers, I see what the machine thinks are
> *nine* : my wife's downstairs is there twice, once as itself and once
> with "-fax" appended to it. All the other seven are my one machine, once
> as default with my name for the machine it's on, but no IP; the others
> have either an IP or some other indication where they are; I'm seeing it
> double on #1 (as default and not), and double on #4 (with its same
> correct IP both times, not together); sometimes it shows as published,
> sometimes not.
> 
>   I tried to print the router's table, with IP and MAC numbers,
> from a browser (Konqueror, despite the fact i run Gnome); but it just
> asked me if the printer were connected.
> 
>   Iiuc, I should go do the same on the other two clients (machine
> #3 and #4, no printer attached), but *not* on #1, which does have the
> printer, and must therefore be acting as the server. Right?

I did that, but did not try again to print, nor to configure 
anything on one machine from another. 

I did check the printers listed -- and found no two lists the 
same.

#1 shows its own printer, and nothing else, not even my wife's.

#2, as previously reported, shows my wife's twice, and mine seven 
different ways on three identifiable (by me) machines.

#3 shows my wife's twice, and mine four times, if you accept the 
designation "default" as telling me it's on #1.

#4 machine shows my wife's twice, and mine five times, 
identifying them in various ways.

There's more detail, among which it may be of interest that, 
somewhere in all that, I noticed an identification of a printer on one 
machine, and a driver of a different machine.

Whoo - ooo -- oooie!

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Re: Fedora vs RedHat

2008-10-31 Thread Claude Jones

On Fri October 31 2008 1:06:10 pm Les Mikesell wrote:
> The real problem with this from a user's perspective is that
> no version of fedora ever 'matures'.

I have no idea why I'm jumping in to this, Les, but the real 
problem is that you refuse to accept that some people like it 
this way, and that if they don't, they have other choices...
There's no problem except the one you continuously create with 
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Re: CUPS, Alpine, and printserving

2008-10-31 Thread Björn Persson

Beartooth wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:44:19 +0100, Björn Persson wrote:
> > 1: Check that Cups is actually listening on the network. Run this
> > command as root on the machine where the printer is:
> >
> > netstat --inet --inet6 --listen --program --numeric | grep cupsd
> >
> > Does it say "192.168.x.y:631" or "127.0.0.1:631"?
>
>   No, neither.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# netstat --inet --inet6 --listen --program --numeric |
> grep cupsd
> tcp0  0 0.0.0.0:631
> 0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN  2526/cupsd
> tcp0
> 0 :::631  :::*LISTEN
> 2526/cupsd
> udp0  0 0.0.0.0:631
> 0.0.0.0:*   2526/cupsd
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]#

OK, "0.0.0.0" means "all addresses" in this case, so that's good. Cups is 
listening on the network.

> > 2: Do you have a packet filter ("firewall") on the machine where the
> > printer is? Have you opened the IPP ports in the packet filter?
>
>   How do I tell?

Run system-config-firewall and on the page "Trusted Services" check the 
box "Network Printing Server (IPP)".

>   Lacking the skills to be sure whether I've been cracked, let
> alone those to recover, I try to be paranoid; I install denyhosts, for
> instance, and likely other defenses that don't spring to mind.

I don't think Denyhosts affects IPP, but if you have installed some product 
that's called a firewall, then it has probably replaced Fedora's packet 
filter. In that case you should allow IPP in that product instead of in 
system-config-firewall.

>   Also, the router that my ISP supplies (Netgear MBR 814) supplies
> several kinds of defenses, which I have tried to set with caution. When I
> want to do bittorrent, for instance, I have to go change the router
> settings for a while. (I try to leave them changed long enough to give
> back more that I take, before I change them back; but I haven't actually
> used the torrent in months, so they are probably tight.)

Yes, it's important that the Netgear router block IPP traffic if you're going 
to allow printing and administration over the network. Otherwise, as you 
said, some script kiddie might think it fun to print gibberish or mess with 
your printer configuration. It's also a safeguard against any security holes 
in Cups that could otherwise be exploited to crack your computer. Because of 
the way this kind of routers work, it most likely blocks anything that you 
haven't explicitly allowed.

You should also be aware that if your wireless network is open, then anyone 
who happens to be in the neighbourhood will also be able to access your 
printer.

Björn Persson

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Re: Fedora vs RedHat

2008-10-31 Thread Craig White

On Fri, 2008-10-31 at 14:15 -0400, Claude Jones wrote:
> On Fri October 31 2008 1:06:10 pm Les Mikesell wrote:
> > The real problem with this from a user's perspective is that
> > no version of fedora ever 'matures'.
> 
> I have no idea why I'm jumping in to this, Les, but the real 
> problem is that you refuse to accept that some people like it 
> this way, and that if they don't, they have other choices...
> There's no problem except the one you continuously create with 
> your endless pugilism

I vaguely recall you getting angry at me for much the same thing that
you are dissing Les for here...it's not that his criticism isn't valid,
it's just that it gets repeated infinitely.

As a user, Les is entitled to criticize.

As a reader of the list, it can be overly burdensome to have to read
through repetitive complaining.

Craig

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Re: Fedora vs RedHat

2008-10-31 Thread Bruno Wolff III

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:53:29 -0500,
  Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
>> Les Mikesell wrote:
>>> The real problem with this from a user's perspective is that no version
>>> of fedora ever 'matures'.  That is, you can participate in the process,
>>> report bugs, etc., but you never end up with a resulting improved,
>>> stable version that is useful for any length of time because every
>>> version is quickly discarded and replaced with new betas from upstream.
>>>
>> This is a problem? I thought that was what most of us were here for.
>
> Are you working simply to improve your computer?  I thought the machines  
> were supposed to work for us.

Being able to make Fedora better is one of the reasons I use it.

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Re: How do I create 6 pages?

2008-10-31 Thread Steven W. Orr

On Friday, Oct 31st 2008 at 00:10 -, quoth Anoop:

=>Hi Steven,
=>
=>On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Steven W. Orr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
=>> On my F9 task bar I have a pager widget, but I can't figure out how to
=>> increase the number of pages. I'd like to get to 6.
=>For that you have to increase number of desktops. You can increase them from
=>System Settings -> Desktop -> Multiple Desktops
=>
=>Thanks,
=>Anoop

Now I see the problem. I don't have Desktop -> Multiple Desktops. What I 
have looks like this

Appearance
Windows
Window Decorations
Buttons
Theme Manager
Colors
Scheme
Color
Effects
Style
Style
Effects
Toolbar
Splash Screen
Fonts
Icons
Desktop
Desktop Effects
General
All Effects
Launch Feedback
Screensaver
Notifications
System notifications
Applications
Player Settings
System Bell
Window Behaviour
Window Specific
Window Behavior
Focus
Titlebar Actions
Window Actions
Moving
Advanced

Any ideas? Am I missing something? Do I have to pay extra ;-)


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Re: Slow Second Access to Internet


On 10/28/2008 08:19 PM, Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED wrote:

In summery, it appears at this time that the repeated DNS
problem (if it is really that) is isolated to Firefox.

  

A couple of things first.
There is a daemon, nscd that causes DNS to cache locally.
Additionally, is your Linux system using a static IP, and if so, how 
does it have DNS configured, through the router or locally. Then on 
Windows, bring up a comand prompt and run "ipconfig /all", and look at 
the name servers.


If nscd is not running, manually start it:"sudo service nscd start"
You could also start it with the system service menu also.

Also, your name servers are in /etc/resolv.conf

This list should be similar to your Windows ones. It is possible that 
your primary name server could be offline, or far away.
Since your Windows systems do not exhibit this problem, it is probably 
something unique to the way you have F9 configured.


You also might be able to use ping to trouble shoot the problem. 
Remember, with firefox, and other browsers you are possibly hitting a 
number of different web servers so that by not caching DNS locally, it 
is costing you.


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Re: How do I create 6 pages?

2008-10-31 Thread Dan Thurman


Steven W. Orr wrote:

On Friday, Oct 31st 2008 at 00:10 -, quoth Anoop:

=>Hi Steven,
=>
=>On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Steven W. Orr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
=>> On my F9 task bar I have a pager widget, but I can't figure out how to
=>> increase the number of pages. I'd like to get to 6.
=>For that you have to increase number of desktops. You can increase them from
=>System Settings -> Desktop -> Multiple Desktops
=>
=>Thanks,
=>Anoop

Now I see the problem. I don't have Desktop -> Multiple Desktops. What I 
have looks like this


Appearance
Windows
Window Decorations
Buttons
Theme Manager
Colors
Scheme
Color
Effects
Style
Style
Effects
Toolbar
Splash Screen
Fonts
Icons
Desktop
Desktop Effects
General
All Effects
Launch Feedback
Screensaver
Notifications
System notifications
Applications
Player Settings
System Bell
Window Behaviour
Window Specific
Window Behavior
Focus
Titlebar Actions
Window Actions
Moving
Advanced

Any ideas? Am I missing something? Do I have to pay extra ;-)

  

Unless I am missing something, are you talking about Workspace Switcher?
If so, then move mouse over the workspace switcher, right mouse button 
click,

then select Preferences.  In the pop up Preferences menu, increase
"Number of Workspaces"

If not, sorry to bother you!

Dan

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Re: Fedora 9 32 or 64 Bit - Which One?


On 10/29/2008 07:50 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:


I think I see the reason this 32 vs 64 doesn't get resolved, the 
people who say "what hassles" or "it just works" are all either 
genuine experts such as you, people who do system administration "as a 
job" rather than "so they can do their job," and a few people who 
present themselves as experts and expect others to take opinion as 
gospel, actual expertise unknown. Based on notes about having to hand 
install both 32 bit and 64 bit versions of libraries and a few other 
minor diddles, which are not worth noticing to the experts, but 
confusing and worrisome for the users who are either just running 
applications or developing desktop applications.


I think those of us using a mix of 32 bit and 64 bit CPUs would have 
to see an easily measured performance gain to go 64 bit on the 
machines which can do so, because the hassle factor of supporting 
multiple versions of the rest of the system is measurable.


I think the answer is that many more people are running 32 bit 
systems, and unless you have some need to run very large applications, 
or a large server, or large memory, you will be using more widely 
tested compilations of the software, and will have a larger group of 
experienced users to answer questions. That's the best reason to stay 
32 bit now, lacking a benefit from 64 bit.


The reason for some of the hassles is that some developers are just too 
lazy to fix their applications, or that some 32-bit applications are 
very poorly written, It's just that simple. From a developer standpoint, 
developing a portable application, eg. one that can be compiled for 
32-bit or 64-bit and work out of the box is relatively simple if you 
follow some rules. The newer C and C++ language standards also have 
specific 32-bit and 64-bit integers, so you don't have to use "long" 
which can be 32-bits or 64-bits. I remember the same issue with 16-bit 
and 32-bit. In the past, I worked on a reasonably complex application 
that had to work on Linux (debian 32-bit, Solaris x86 32-bit, and 
Solaris SPARC. And, my development system at home was a Digital Alpha 
running Linux 64-bit. The only problem we had was that the data base 
code used an algorithm where pointers would be stored with the keys, and 
could be on a non-natural boundary causing an exception on the SPARC. 
There were zero 32-bit to 64-bit issues. I've seen other code that it 
will take several man-years to get it to run properly on 64-bits.


The bottom line is that nearly every new laptop and desktop system being 
produced today uses 64-bit hardware, and Vista is very memory hungry to 
where you probably won't be able to get a 32-bit Windows platform.
land since at least 1994, and with 64-bit Linux roughly in the same time 
frame. I forget exactly when Linus actually had a 64-bit kernel for the 
Alpha, but it was 94 or 95.


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Re: Fedora vs RedHat


Claude Jones wrote:

On Fri October 31 2008 1:06:10 pm Les Mikesell wrote:

The real problem with this from a user's perspective is that
no version of fedora ever 'matures'.


I have no idea why I'm jumping in to this, Les, but the real 
problem is that you refuse to accept that some people like it 
this way, and that if they don't, they have other choices...
There's no problem except the one you continuously create with 
your endless pugilism


It seemed somewhat relevant to post a view that I think represents the 
99.something% of computer users that don't use fedora (and my own 
experience) in the context of a question about a choice between fedora 
or something else.  Sorry if it upsets the closed minority here, but I 
liked the way RH development worked in the old days up through RH 7.3 
where there was a continuous transition toward stability within a major 
version.


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Re: Fedora 9 32 or 64 Bit - Which One?

2008-10-31 Thread stan


Jerry Feldman wrote:
very poorly written, It's just that simple. From a developer standpoint, 
developing a portable application, eg. one that can be compiled for 
32-bit or 64-bit and work out of the box is relatively simple if you 
follow some rules. The newer C and C++ language standards also have 
specific 32-bit and 64-bit integers, so you don't have to use "long" 
which can be 32-bits or 64-bits. I remember the same issue with 16-bit 


Would you be willing to point to those 'relatively simple' 
techniques with a link?


Thanks.

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Re: Fedora vs RedHat

Les Mikesell wrote:
> 
> Are you working simply to improve your computer?  I thought the machines
> were supposed to work for us.
> 
Some people like to explore the way machines work, and modify them,
rather then just use them. If we didn't have people that like to
"tinker", would we have Linux?

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Re: Fedor 9 X Window System error:

On 10/30/2008 01:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Has anyone encountered:

The program 'recorder' received an X Window System error.
This probably reflects a bug in the program.
The error was 'BadName (named color or font does not exist)'.
(Details: serial 214 error_code 15 request_code 45 minor_code 0)
(Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;
that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.
To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line
option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful
backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.)

I have had this happen on a couple of other applications.

I am also curious if this is preventing my Gnome applications from running?
They seem to just flash and disappear.

First, we need to know what platform and what video system you have. I suspect that you do not have all the needed fonts installed. IMHO, I would go back and install all the fonts available in your LOCALE (eg. language). You also might want to reinstall x.org at tthe same time. While I don't think it is a driver issue you might check your driver and display settings (system/administration/display).

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Re: CUPS, Alpine, and printserving

On Fri, 2008-10-31 at 14:22 +, Tim Waugh wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-10-31 at 08:50 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > Ok, here is the deal. Configure all the printers on the server. On the
> > clients do no configuration at all ,none. And you will be able to print
> > to all the printers.
> 
> This used to be the case.  Unfortunately, starting with Fedora 9, the
> minimum that is now needed on the clients has changed from "none" to:
> 
> * enable Network Printing Client (IPP) packets through the firewall by
> selection System->Administration->Firewall, selecting the "Network
> Printing Client (IPP)" check-box and clicking Apply.
> 
> Tim.
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Re: installating from iso

2008-10-31 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan

On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 22:04 -0400, Jerry Ro wrote:
> Mmm.. If I understand correctly, I am past the stage that you referred
> to me
> in the guide - I already have a USB stick with Live CD - I think
> that's what
> they suggest there?

Fair enough, but that's not what you implied in your earlier messages.

> I actually want to install a fedora on part of the hard
> disk. But I could maybe mount the full DVD .iso using the USB stick
> live
> version, after mounting the Vista partition which contains that ISO,
> and run
> the installation from the mounted .iso - that's what I was trying to
> look
> for in google. I was hoping it is possible to do that, instead of
> having to
> boot from the full DVD version for full installation (since I dont
> have a
> DVD or a 4GB USB stick...)

I still can't get my head round what you're trying to do. If you have a
Live USB stick, then why not install from that? Once you've done so, you
can easily install extra stuff from the DVD if you have it. You can even
do it from an ISO image of the DVD on your Windows partition (it'll mean
mounting the partition under Linux and using a loopback mount for the
image, but one thing at a time).

What you haven't mentioned, either because you haven't realized it's
necessary or because it's too obvious to bring up, is that you have to
partition your hard disk to add space for Linux. Don't expect to be able
to boot and run Fedora from a file in your Windows system (I think
Ubuntu supports doing this if it's what you really want, but you'd need
to ask elsewhere about that).

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Re: Fedora vs RedHat


Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:

Les Mikesell wrote:

Are you working simply to improve your computer?  I thought the machines
were supposed to work for us.


Some people like to explore the way machines work, and modify them,
rather then just use them. If we didn't have people that like to
"tinker", would we have Linux?


Tinkering or not isn't quite the point.  Of course things can always be 
improved and a certain number of backwards-incompatible changes are 
going to be needed to fix earlier mistakes or bad designs.  The question 
is more whether the tinkering is a means towards the end of better 
stability or usability or an end to itself.  If you are working to get 
something usable, you want long, smooth transitions from betas with 
major differences through their useful productive lives with 
considerable overlap between versions so you can tinker with a new test 
copy while the old one continues to deliver value in production.  If you 
don't really have a use for the finished product, I guess it wouldn't 
matter.


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Re: CUPS, Alpine, and printserving

On Fri, 2008-10-31 at 17:43 +, Beartooth wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:22:18 +, Tim Waugh wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 2008-10-31 at 08:50 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> >> Ok, here is the deal. Configure all the printers on the server. On the
> >> clients do no configuration at all ,none. And you will be able to print
> >> to all the printers.
> > 
> > This used to be the case.  Unfortunately, starting with Fedora 9, the
> > minimum that is now needed on the clients has changed from "none" to:
> > 
> > * enable Network Printing Client (IPP) packets through the firewall by
> > selection System->Administration->Firewall, selecting the "Network
> > Printing Client (IPP)" check-box and clicking Apply.
> 
>   WOW!! What a difference! I did that on machine #2 (only, so far).
> 
>   When I click on Printers, I see what the machine thinks are 
> *nine* : my wife's downstairs is there twice, once as itself and once 
> with "-fax" appended to it. All the other seven are my one machine, once 
> as default with my name for the machine it's on, but no IP; the others 
> have either an IP or some other indication where they are; I'm seeing it 
> double on #1 (as default and not), and double on #4 (with its same 
> correct IP both times, not together); sometimes it shows as published, 
> sometimes not.
> 
>   I tried to print the router's table, with IP and MAC numbers, 
> from a browser (Konqueror, despite the fact i run Gnome); but it just 
> asked me if the printer were connected.
> 
>   Iiuc, I should go do the same on the other two clients (machine 
> #3 and #4, no printer attached), but *not* on #1, which does have the 
> printer, and must therefore be acting as the server. Right?
Not necessarily. This case is somewhat special. Are you saying you want
that printer available to all the client machines. To do that you need
to read very carefully the document on the web interface concerning
configuring cupsd.conf. Otherwise , you probably will not to be able to
print to that printer from the machine it is attached to. If you tell me
it is printing to that machine as well as the other machines you have
lucked out.
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Re: How do I make my task bar hide when it's not being accessed?

2008-10-31 Thread Steven W. Orr

On Thursday, Oct 30th 2008 at 23:57 -, quoth Anoop:

=>On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Steven W. Orr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
=>> Under F9, kde, I don't see how to get to the controls to cause my taskbar to
=>> hide? Anyone know where the controls are?
=>Update to the new KDE packages using yum. You will get auto hide feature.
=>To enable auto hiding:
=> o Unlock the widgets.
=> o Click on task bar plasma cashew.
=> o Click more settings.
=> o Click auto hide.
=>

I feel like a mental midget! I did the update so now I'm running kde-4.1. 
It looks good. I just don't see how to "Unlock the widgets". If I can get 
that far then I'm ready for the next challenge of The Mighty Cashew.

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Re: CUPS, Alpine, and printserving

On Fri, 2008-10-31 at 17:20 +, Beartooth wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:50:59 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
>   [...]
> >>The current situation is that printing works on #1, where the
> >> printer is -- and not from the others.
> >> 
> >> -
> > Ok, here is the deal. Configure all the printers on the server. On the
> > clients do no configuration at all ,none. And you will be able to print
> > to all the printers. Any configuration you do on the clients will
> > undoubtedly screw things up. One exception. In the /etc/cups/client.conf
> > file you can fill in the ServerName line with the address of the server.
> > Leave the admin boxes alone.
> 
>   This confuses me. It reads as if the problem were using several 
> printers from one machine.
> 
>   Not so. I have only one printer, but I need to be able to use it 
> from at least four machines -- the PCs at my desk. (If I can eventually 
> also use it from the wireless laptops a/o from my wife's PC downstairs 
> (all of them on the LAN, at least when at home and booted), so much the 
> better.)
> 
>   Are we at cross-purposes? Or am I just imagining so?
The machine with the printer is the server and the printer should be
configured on that machine. Printing will be possible from all the
printers on the LAN without any further configuration. The machines will
all have to be on the same LAN for this to work. If they are on
different LANS the SERVERNAME must be filled in in clients.conf.

I print from my wireless laptop to a printer on the server and a printer
on my wife's XP. But all configuration of printers are on my server
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Re: How do I make my task bar hide when it's not being accessed?

2008-10-31 Thread Marcelo Magno T. Sales

Em Sex 31 Out 2008, Steven W. Orr escreveu:
> On Thursday, Oct 30th 2008 at 23:57 -, quoth Anoop:
>
> =>On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Steven W. Orr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote: =>> Under F9, kde, I don't see how to get to the controls to
> cause my taskbar to =>> hide? Anyone know where the controls are?
> =>Update to the new KDE packages using yum. You will get auto hide
> feature. =>To enable auto hiding:
> => o Unlock the widgets.
> => o Click on task bar plasma cashew.
> => o Click more settings.
> => o Click auto hide.
> =>
>
> I feel like a mental midget! I did the update so now I'm running
> kde-4.1. It looks good. I just don't see how to "Unlock the widgets".
> If I can get that far then I'm ready for the next challenge of The
> Mighty Cashew.

You can unlock the widgets by clicking the color palette icon on the 
top-right corner of the screen or by right-clicking the plasma panel. 
If you don't see an "Unlock widgets" option there, this is because 
they're already unlocked. In this case, you'll see "Lock widgets".

[]'s
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Re: Fedora vs RedHat

2008-10-31 Thread Tom Horsley

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:53:29 -0500
Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > This is a problem? I thought that was what most of us were here for.  
> 
> Are you working simply to improve your computer?

Well, in my case, I use fedora to find out what nightmares will
bite me in future versions of redhat. Testing on fedora helps
me make sure my software will work when the next rhel release
comes out. So I certainly see fedora as beta test for rhel.

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Re: kernel: martian messages

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 6:59 AM, Seann Clark
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>. I see this a lot on my firewall, but that is because
> both my ISP and myself use a 10.x.x.x private IP range that overlaps. They
> use it for the management of the cable modems, and I use it for more
> traditional uses

What you describe is more or less what occurs with my network setup.

> In terms of a broadcast range, since most proper broadcasts on more up to
> date TCP stacks use x.x.x.255 as the broadcast, not a full 'every network
> possible' broadcast (255.255.255.255) it will fire off an alert that
> something it trying a mass broadcast that it doesn't expect (since that
> broadcast range will not match its known route table). This broadcast IP can
> be seen a lot on DHCP type setups, or other discovery items on a computer.
> You can also see occasional 224-236.x.x.x ranges fire off the same messages
> on the box, for multicast messages.

The machine I was asking about uses two NICs. One for the outside world and
the other for talking to a switch where DHCP is enabled for a bunch of systems.

Given your insight  then is it alright to conclude that the
"martian source" messages can be ignored and are harmless? The messages
do not fill the log files and some days are much less than others.

Your explanation was pretty good. Thanks.
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Re: How do I make my task bar hide when it's not being accessed?

2008-10-31 Thread Fred Silsbee




--- On Fri, 10/31/08, Marcelo Magno T. Sales <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Marcelo Magno T. Sales <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: How do I make my task bar hide when it's not being accessed?
> To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." 
> 
> Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 8:55 PM
> Em Sex 31 Out 2008, Steven W. Orr escreveu:
> > On Thursday, Oct 30th 2008 at 23:57 -, quoth
> Anoop:
> >
> > =>On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Steven W. Orr
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote: =>> Under F9, kde, I don't see how to
> get to the controls to
> > cause my taskbar to =>> hide? Anyone know where
> the controls are?
> > =>Update to the new KDE packages using yum. You
> will get auto hide
> > feature. =>To enable auto hiding:
> > => o Unlock the widgets.
> > => o Click on task bar plasma cashew.
> > => o Click more settings.
> > => o Click auto hide.
> > =>
> >
> > I feel like a mental midget! I did the update so now
> I'm running
> > kde-4.1. It looks good. I just don't see how to
> "Unlock the widgets".
> > If I can get that far then I'm ready for the next
> challenge of The
> > Mighty Cashew.
> 
> You can unlock the widgets by clicking the color palette
> icon on the 
> top-right corner of the screen or by right-clicking the
> plasma panel. 
> If you don't see an "Unlock widgets" option
> there, this is because 
> they're already unlocked. In this case, you'll see
> "Lock widgets".
> 
> []'s
> Marcelo
> 

Thanks I've been waiting for auto hide!
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Re: CUPS, Alpine, and printserving

2008-10-31 Thread Tim Waugh

On Fri, 2008-10-31 at 15:35 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > This used to be the case.  Unfortunately, starting with Fedora 9, the
> > minimum that is now needed on the clients has changed from "none" to:
[...]
> Not true. One always had to have the appropriate port open.

Indeed, but talking about the default installation, Fedora prior to
Fedora 9 defaulted to allowing IPP traffic whereas Fedora 9 is the first
version to disable that on a default installation.

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Re: installating from iso

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 22:04 -0400, Jerry Ro wrote:
>> Mmm.. If I understand correctly, I am past the stage that you referred
>> to me
>> in the guide - I already have a USB stick with Live CD - I think
>> that's what
>> they suggest there?
>
> Fair enough, but that's not what you implied in your earlier messages.
>
>> I actually want to install a fedora on part of the hard
>> disk. But I could maybe mount the full DVD .iso using the USB stick
>> live
>> version, after mounting the Vista partition which contains that ISO,
>> and run
>> the installation from the mounted .iso - that's what I was trying to
>> look
>> for in google. I was hoping it is possible to do that, instead of
>> having to
>> boot from the full DVD version for full installation (since I dont
>> have a
>> DVD or a 4GB USB stick...)
>
> I still can't get my head round what you're trying to do. If you have a
> Live USB stick, then why not install from that? Once you've done so, you
> can easily install extra stuff from the DVD if you have it. You can even
> do it from an ISO image of the DVD on your Windows partition (it'll mean
> mounting the partition under Linux and using a loopback mount for the
> image, but one thing at a time).
>
> What you haven't mentioned, either because you haven't realized it's
> necessary or because it's too obvious to bring up, is that you have to
> partition your hard disk to add space for Linux. Don't expect to be able
> to boot and run Fedora from a file in your Windows system (I think
> Ubuntu supports doing this if it's what you really want, but you'd need
> to ask elsewhere about that).
>
> poc

One important bit of info:
Put the OS ISO image on a FAT32 partition. Avoid NTFS.
The install doc says that one can use an NTFS partition to store the
iso image, but
that did not work for me.
Vista is installed in an NTFS partition and you may not be able to
access the image there.

I suggest two options: (a) in your PC's hard drive, create a fat32 partition and
put the OS ISO image there, or (b) put the image in an usb hard drive, then
boot with the usb stick and select Hard Drive as the install method.
To access the OS ISO image use a relative path to its location, for example:
if the path to it is C:\mydir\fedora.iso, you use "mydir/fedora.iso"

The above is clearly outlined in the F9 documentation, section 6.2:
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f9/en_US/sn-installing-from-harddrive.html

I suggest you save your data from the Vista partition.
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Re: Fedora 9 32 or 64 Bit - Which One?

2008-10-31 Thread Björn Persson

stan wrote:
> Jerry Feldman wrote:
> > very poorly written, It's just that simple. From a developer standpoint,
> > developing a portable application, eg. one that can be compiled for
> > 32-bit or 64-bit and work out of the box is relatively simple if you
> > follow some rules. The newer C and C++ language standards also have
> > specific 32-bit and 64-bit integers, so you don't have to use "long"
> > which can be 32-bits or 64-bits. I remember the same issue with 16-bit
>
> Would you be willing to point to those 'relatively simple'
> techniques with a link?

No link needed. Just don't make baseless assumptions about sizes of data 
types. Don't assume that a pointer is the same size as an int for example, or 
that the number 50 will fit in a long int. Use uint32_t if you need a 
32-bit number and so on. It's just that simple.

Even better, avoid C and use a better designed language with a good type 
system.

Björn Persson


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Re: FEDORA net etiquette

2008-10-31 Thread James Wilkinson

g wrote:
> you use mutt. can mutt not send 'text/plain' in 8 bit?

It does, and did. It looks as though somewhere en-route my last e-mail
got recoded a couple of times, though.

Incidentally, 8 bit without MIME is meaningless: you need the MIME
headers to (reliably) make any sense of the non-ASCII values. ASCII
(US-ASCII in the standards) is merely 7 bit.

> *subject: fedora net etiquette*
> 
> this is 'fedora-list'. it is not intercourse between business, people
> writing in a 'non english language', or commercial advertisements.
> 
> it is a *tech support list* with people speaking in one common language
> as best as some are able to. [no degradation intended]
> 
> there is no need for accent marks, special characters or symbols. yet posters
> continue to do so.

1. Red Hat Linux 8.0 adopted UTF-8 as a default for most locales. As far
   as I am aware, all Fedora mail clients support UTF-8, and most other
   modern e-mail clients do¹. So why not make use of it?

2. As has been pointed out, not all names can be properly spelt in
   ASCII, and there are other reasons for using symbols outside raw
   ASCII.

> the 'guidelines' state, in general terms, 'plain text'. for some reason there
> are posters who continue to send 'mime', 'quoted' and 'base64' instead of
> 'text/plain 8-bit'.

text/plain is a MIME term. Quoted-printable and base64 are valid
encodings of text/plain: according to the relevant standards, being
quoted-printable or base64 doesn’t stop an e-mail being text/plain.

This guideline is aimed against text/HTML.

> if i and many others can set up our mail clients for 'text/plain' 8-bit,
> why not rest of posters.
> 
> my only reasoning is that they do not care to bother to and to hell with
> who does not like.

You may care to take a look at RFCs 2045 to 2049, the RFCs defining MIME.

Hope this helps,

James.

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Re: Fedora vs RedHat

Les Mikesell wrote:
> Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
>> Les Mikesell wrote:
>>> Are you working simply to improve your computer?  I thought the machines
>>> were supposed to work for us.
>>>
>> Some people like to explore the way machines work, and modify them,
>> rather then just use them. If we didn't have people that like to
>> "tinker", would we have Linux?
> 
> Tinkering or not isn't quite the point.  Of course things can always be
> improved and a certain number of backwards-incompatible changes are
> going to be needed to fix earlier mistakes or bad designs.  The question
> is more whether the tinkering is a means towards the end of better
> stability or usability or an end to itself.  If you are working to get
> something usable, you want long, smooth transitions from betas with
> major differences through their useful productive lives with
> considerable overlap between versions so you can tinker with a new test
> copy while the old one continues to deliver value in production.  If you
> don't really have a use for the finished product, I guess it wouldn't
> matter.
> 
And here I thought tinkering was the point of Fedora. Are you under
the mistaken impression that Fedora is supposed to be a stable,
mainstream desktop distribution? I was under the impression that is
was a testbed for different ideas. Is stability listed anywhere ase
one of Fedora's goals? I would think that the fast version turnover
would indicate the opposite.

If you chose a distribution with a quick version turnover, and you
expect "long, smooth transitions", there is something wrong with
your judgment. Or are you trying to say that ALL Linux distributions
should strive for stability above all else? You keep complaining
that Fedora is not meeting your goals. Did you ever stop and think
that maybe that is because the goals of the Fedora community are not
the same as your goals? Fedora seams to be meeting a lot of people's
goals. So if these are not your goals, maybe you should look
elsewhere for a distribution that meats your goals, instead of
beating your head ageist the wall trying to change the goals of the
rest of us?

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Re: kernel: martian messages

2008-10-31 Thread James Wilkinson

Frank Cox wrote:
> A "martian source" is an invalid IP address.  In your case, 255.255.255.255 is
> the IP address.  It's impossible for that to be a valid address, not least
> because *.*.*.255 is a broadcast address.

Usually. If you’re using anything larger than a Class C (= /24 = netmask
of 255.255.255.0), then you will have normal IP addresses ending in .0
and .255.

Worked example: a local network with 4 computers, using 10.0.0.0/8:
Network address: 10.0.0.0
Broadcast address: 10.255.255.255
A normal address: 10.1.2.3
Another normal address: 10.1.1.255

Hope this helps,

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Re: Fedora vs RedHat

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Mikkel L. Ellertson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Les Mikesell wrote:
>> Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
>>> Les Mikesell wrote:
 Are you working simply to improve your computer?  I thought the machines
 were supposed to work for us.

>>> Some people like to explore the way machines work, and modify them,
>>> rather then just use them. If we didn't have people that like to
>>> "tinker", would we have Linux?
>>
>> Tinkering or not isn't quite the point.  Of course things can always be
>> improved and a certain number of backwards-incompatible changes are
>> going to be needed to fix earlier mistakes or bad designs.  The question
>> is more whether the tinkering is a means towards the end of better
>> stability or usability or an end to itself.  If you are working to get
>> something usable, you want long, smooth transitions from betas with
>> major differences through their useful productive lives with
>> considerable overlap between versions so you can tinker with a new test
>> copy while the old one continues to deliver value in production.  If you
>> don't really have a use for the finished product, I guess it wouldn't
>> matter.
>>
> And here I thought tinkering was the point of Fedora. Are you under
> the mistaken impression that Fedora is supposed to be a stable,
> mainstream desktop distribution? I was under the impression that is
> was a testbed for different ideas. Is stability listed anywhere ase
> one of Fedora's goals? I would think that the fast version turnover
> would indicate the opposite.


Just to add --nowhere I read in the Fedora docs or release notes
that a particular release is to serve as a testbed for anything. It
appears that
simply Fedora users have come to terms that that is the case.

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Re: Fedora vs RedHat

2008-10-31 Thread Claude Jones

On Fri October 31 2008 2:26:25 pm Craig White wrote:
> I vaguely recall you getting angry at me for much the same thing that
> you are dissing Les for here...it's not that his criticism isn't valid,
> it's just that it gets repeated infinitely.
>

it was quite different, and anger would not be quite the right characterization 
- but I do remember poking some fun at you

> As a user, Les is entitled to criticize.
>

yes, he is, and further, I'm entitled to criticize his criticisms - but, I've 
said my piece, I'm not going to say another word

> As a reader of the list, it can be overly burdensome to have to read
> through repetitive complaining.

indeed, but, that's the nature of most lists
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Re: Fedora vs RedHat


Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:


And here I thought tinkering was the point of Fedora.


And perhaps the only point.


Are you under
the mistaken impression that Fedora is supposed to be a stable,
mainstream desktop distribution? 


No, I was under the impression that it was the development towards the 
next RHEL release.  As it has been through FC1->RHEL3, FC3->RHEL4, 
FC6->RHEL6 with almost no surprises, almost replicating the old 
X.0->X.2[->X.3] progressions.  But I don't see current changes that make 
sense for a future EL.



If you chose a distribution with a quick version turnover, and you
expect "long, smooth transitions", there is something wrong with
your judgment. Or are you trying to say that ALL Linux distributions
should strive for stability above all else?


No, I'm saying that to produce something usable, the development cycles 
should have infrequent big discrete jumps, followed by fixing all of the 
things that these inevitably break, and this time needs to overlap with 
everyone adjusting the applications they run to the changes.


> You keep complaining

that Fedora is not meeting your goals. Did you ever stop and think
that maybe that is because the goals of the Fedora community are not
the same as your goals? Fedora seams to be meeting a lot of people's
goals.


Where are people using fedora?  How many?


So if these are not your goals, maybe you should look
elsewhere for a distribution that meats your goals, instead of
beating your head ageist the wall trying to change the goals of the
rest of us?


Basically I'm just wondering out loud where the next server distribution 
is going to come from.


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Problem viewing network streams with vlc.

2008-10-31 Thread Erik P. Olsen

It's vlc 0.8.6i on Fedora 8 fully updated as of today and the problem is not
viewing, it's in the audio. After approx. one minute of sound it suddenly goes
mute and after maybe half a minute it will produce sound again and so it
continues ad infinitum. The console list from such vlc looks like:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ vlc
VLC media player 0.8.6i Janus
[0331] access_mms access: selecting stream[0x1] audio (85 kb/s)
[0331] access_mms access: ignoring stream[0x2] audio (69 kb/s)
[0331] access_mms access: ignoring stream[0x3] audio (38 kb/s)
[0331] access_mms access: selecting stream[0x4] video (859 kb/s)
[0331] access_mms access: ignoring stream[0x5] video (419 kb/s)
[0331] access_mms access: ignoring stream[0x6] video (224 kb/s)
[0331] access_mms access: connection successful
[0376] pulse audio output error: Failed to connect to server: Connection 
refused
[0376] pulse audio output error: Pulse initialization failed
[0376] alsa audio output error: write failed (Broken pipe)
[0319] main playlist: stopping playback

It is very consistent it happens every time I view a network stream.
Is this something I can correct or should I raise an issue with bugzilla?

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Re: Slow Second Access to Internet

2008-10-31 Thread Nifty Fedora Mitch

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 02:49:46PM -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> On 10/28/2008 08:19 PM, Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED wrote:
>> In summery, it appears at this time that the repeated DNS
>> problem (if it is really that) is isolated to Firefox.
>>
>>   
> A couple of things first.
> There is a daemon, nscd that causes DNS to cache locally.
> Additionally, is your Linux system using a static IP, and if so, how  
> does it have DNS configured, through the router or locally. Then on  
> Windows, bring up a comand prompt and run "ipconfig /all", and look at  
> the name servers.
>
> If nscd is not running, manually start it:"sudo service nscd start"
> You could also start it with the system service menu also.
>
> Also, your name servers are in /etc/resolv.conf
>
> This list should be similar to your Windows ones. It is possible that  
> your primary name server could be offline, or far away.
> Since your Windows systems do not exhibit this problem, it is probably  
> something unique to the way you have F9 configured.
>
> You also might be able to use ping to trouble shoot the problem.  
> Remember, with firefox, and other browsers you are possibly hitting a  
> number of different web servers so that by not caching DNS locally, it  
> is costing you.

Good stuff.

If it is 'only' Firefox look at the network setup of both.
It is common for ISPs and even wireless hot spots to insert 
a caching server or proxy in the mix.

Check your broswer setup 
Mozilla-->edit-->preferences-->network-->connection-->Settings-->Configure-Proxies

There are four choices in mozilla
Compare and contrast -- take notes prior to changing anything.




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Re: Fedora vs RedHat

Les Mikesell wrote:
> 
> Where are people using fedora?  How many?
> 
Well, it is just a guess, but I would think that most of the people
on this list are using Fedora. (Why else be on the list?) As for how
many? Who know. When you can not even get hard numbers on how many
people are running some Linux distribution, how are you going to
come up with the number of people using Fedora?

I have it running on my personal desktop and laptop.

Mikkel
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no text appearing

2008-10-31 Thread Jerry Ro

Hello,
I finally got the fedora installation to load from a FAT + USB stick (no CD,
no network.)However, the same thing I was afraid of that happened with the
Live CD happens with this ISO as well.
There is a message, when loading the GUI interface that says "probing
video."
Then when loading the GUI, there is no text, but only empty boxes of the
size of the text.
I am using an X61 Tablet from Lenovo.

Any ideas?

Thanks
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Re: How do I make my task bar hide when it's not being accessed?

2008-10-31 Thread Steven W. Orr

On Friday, Oct 31st 2008 at 16:55 -, quoth Marcelo Magno T. Sales:

=>Em Sex 31 Out 2008, Steven W. Orr escreveu:
=>> On Thursday, Oct 30th 2008 at 23:57 -, quoth Anoop:
=>>
=>> =>On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Steven W. Orr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
=>> wrote: =>> Under F9, kde, I don't see how to get to the controls to
=>> cause my taskbar to =>> hide? Anyone know where the controls are?
=>> =>Update to the new KDE packages using yum. You will get auto hide
=>> feature. =>To enable auto hiding:
=>> => o Unlock the widgets.
=>> => o Click on task bar plasma cashew.
=>> => o Click more settings.
=>> => o Click auto hide.
=>> =>
=>>
=>> I feel like a mental midget! I did the update so now I'm running
=>> kde-4.1. It looks good. I just don't see how to "Unlock the widgets".
=>> If I can get that far then I'm ready for the next challenge of The
=>> Mighty Cashew.
=>
=>You can unlock the widgets by clicking the color palette icon on the 
=>top-right corner of the screen or by right-clicking the plasma panel. 
=>If you don't see an "Unlock widgets" option there, this is because 
=>they're already unlocked. In this case, you'll see "Lock widgets".

Thanks Marcelo. I'd have never found that. :-)

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Re: Problem with .Xresources

2008-10-31 Thread Nifty Fedora Mitch

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 03:58:27PM -0400, Steven W. Orr wrote:
> 
> When I log in, I want to get my .Xresources file loaded. That is not  
> happening. Then I found a file called /etc/X11/Xresources
>
> I added the content of my .Xresources file to it
>
> *customization: -color
> *StringConversionWarnings: on
>
> But when I log in, it still does not get loaded. Anyone?
>

Reboot or Restart the X-server logout may not restart X.

How do you know that $HOME/.Xresources is not being looked at?
Can you set something obvious that does not wack your desktop
perhaps-- xterm background Fuchsia

Check permissions:
ls -ld $HOME
ls -l  $HOME/.Xresources




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Re: Slow Second Access to Internet

2008-10-31 Thread Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:49:46 -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote:

> On 10/28/2008 08:19 PM, Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED wrote:
>> In summery, it appears at this time that the repeated DNS problem (if
>> it is really that) is isolated to Firefox.
>>
>>
> A couple of things first.
> There is a daemon, nscd that causes DNS to cache locally. Additionally,
> is your Linux system using a static IP, and if so, how does it have DNS
> configured, through the router or locally. Then on Windows, bring up a
> comand prompt and run "ipconfig /all", and look at the name servers.
> 
> If nscd is not running, manually start it:"sudo service nscd start" You
> could also start it with the system service menu also.
> 
> Also, your name servers are in /etc/resolv.conf
> 
> This list should be similar to your Windows ones. It is possible that
> your primary name server could be offline, or far away. Since your
> Windows systems do not exhibit this problem, it is probably something
> unique to the way you have F9 configured.
> 
> You also might be able to use ping to trouble shoot the problem.
> Remember, with firefox, and other browsers you are possibly hitting a
> number of different web servers so that by not caching DNS locally, it
> is costing you.
> 
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Thanks for this; starting nscd solved the problem.  Firefox is
now fine, and I may have also improved pan, but I'll have to
wait for a weekday daytime (at -0500) to be sure, because at
other times there is less of a problem.

FYI, My name server primary is set to my router which, in turn,
is set to nameservers from my provider (Verizon). The secondary
is also set to one provided by Verizon.  Also my WAN and all my
LAN IP addresses are static.

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Re: Slow Second Access to Internet

2008-10-31 Thread Mike -- EMAIL IGNORED

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:24:30 -0700, Nifty Fedora Mitch wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 02:49:46PM -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote:
[...]
> 
> Good stuff.

Yes, it solved the problem

> 
> If it is 'only' Firefox look at the network setup of both. It is common
> for ISPs and even wireless hot spots to insert a caching server or proxy
> in the mix.
> 
> Check your broswer setup
> Mozilla-->edit-->preferences-->network-->connection-->Settings--
>Configure-Proxies
> 
> There are four choices in mozilla Compare and contrast -- take notes
> prior to changing anything.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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FYI, the Linux Firefox is set to "Direct connection to the Internet",
and on WinXP, it is "No Proxy", which I guess is the same thing.

Thanks for your help.
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Oracle 11g1 on Fedora 9

2008-10-31 Thread Fred Silsbee

http://www.oracle-base.com/articles/linux/ArticlesLinux.php



  

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Re: no text appearing

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Jerry Ro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
> I finally got the fedora installation to load from a FAT + USB stick (no CD,
> no network.)
> However, the same thing I was afraid of that happened with the Live CD
> happens with this ISO as well.
> There is a message, when loading the GUI interface that says "probing
> video."
> Then when loading the GUI, there is no text, but only empty boxes of the
> size of the text.
> I am using an X61 Tablet from Lenovo.
> Any ideas?

When you boot try typing
 linux  xdriver=vesa
maybe that will give you a basic gui install method.

If that fails, try a text install, see this:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Fedora-Core-6-Text-Mode-Installation-Guide-43302.shtml
At the boot prompt you would type "linux text". Read the text
displayed by the boot screen.

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Re: FEDORA net etiquette

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"Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using F"Community
assistance, encouragement, and advice for using F"Community assistance,
encouragement, and advice for using F"Community assistance, encouragement, and
advice for using FJames Wilkinson wrote:
> g wrote:
>> you use mutt. can mutt not send 'text/plain' in 8 bit?
> 
> It does, and did. It looks as though somewhere en-route my last e-mail
> got recoded a couple of times, though.

gander at copy from your header as i see;

+++
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Content-Disposition: inline
In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17)
X-SA: 0
X-RedHat-Spam-Score: 0
X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.58 on 172.16.52.254
X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 172.16.48.32
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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listman.util.phx.redhat.com id m9VMGHad022594
+++

> Incidentally,

** no need going into this part now, as i think/hope
** you will see more of what i am getting at below.

> 1. Red Hat Linux 8.0 adopted UTF-8 as a default for most locales. As far
>as I am aware, all Fedora mail clients support UTF-8, and most other
>modern e-mail clients doÂ¹. So why not make use of it?


>> the 'guidelines' state, in general terms, 'plain text'. for some reason there
>> are posters who continue to send 'mime', 'quoted' and 'base64' instead of
>> 'text/plain 8-bit'.
> 
> text/plain is a MIME term. Quoted-printable and base64 are valid
> encodings of text/plain: according to the relevant standards, being
> quoted-printable or base64 doesnâ€™t stop an e-mail being text/plain.

to clear things a bit, i hope, in my second line above your reply,
*mime* should not have been quoted, as my dislike is primarily with
'quoted' and 'base64'. still, i do not care for mime.

'quoted' will substitute an equal sign plus a 2 byte hex code, from ascii
table for special characters, ie, *=3d* for 'equal sign' and *=20* for a
'space' if at end of a line. this to me is 'illogical'. as is rest of this
use for what is *standard ascii*.

now, in your message and in your "1." above, 3rd line is, -> doÂ¹ <-.
which, viewed in hexeditor, after 'do' is c3 82 c2 b9 and equates to
- -> 't <- and using 4 bytes to represent 2 bytes of *standard ascii*.

in your reply, line just before my reply, is -> doesnâ€™t <-.
which, viewed in hexeditor, after 'doesn' is c3 a2 e2 82 ac e2 84 a2
and equates to -> 't <- and using 8 bytes to represent 2 bytes of
*standard ascii*.

where in again i say, and continue to say _mime_is_a_waste_. no matter
how you look at it, using 12 bytes to represent 4 bytes is 8 bytes waste.

**note** i still have not gone thru all the trouble of setting thunderbird
to be fully *mime compliant* and i see actually special coding. [waste ;o)]

> This guideline is aimed against text/HTML.

and should include 'quoted' and 'base64'...

> You may care to take a look at RFCs 2045 to 2049, the RFCs defining MIME.

i read them years back when mime came out, and a few months back, i skimmed
thru them. because you bring them up again, i will go back and read in entire.
plus a couple others that are still in my bookmarks.

later. i need to grab a bite of food and put in some more 'barn time'.
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Re: no text appearing

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Aldo Foot wrote:

> When you boot try typing
>  linux  xdriver=vesa
> maybe that will give you a basic gui install method.
> 
> If that fails, try a text install, see this:
> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Fedora-Core-6-Text-Mode-Installation-Guide-43302.shtml
> At the boot prompt you would type "linux text". Read the text
> displayed by the boot screen.

uhhh. what about 'e' for edit?
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Re: 16GB USB Drive Not Accessible

2008-10-31 Thread Christopher A. Williams

On Fri, 2008-10-31 at 11:52 -0600, Phil Meyer wrote:
> Christopher A. Williams wrote:
> > ...
> >
> > Now, one last question: what's the flag to format a FAT32 partition with
> > mkfs? I saw options for pretty much everything but that. I'm probably
> > just suffering from not having had my first cup of coffee... :)
> >   
> 
> 
> I deal with this often, as its part of my job to produce bootable pen 
> drives and CF cards.  I like using pungi and revisor to roll a product 
> specific distro, and using livecd tools for copying them to the pen drives.
> 
> Most of this is scripted for convenience, but all new drives go through 
> a process like this:
> 
> Stomp on the MBR:
> 
> cat /usr/lib/syslinux/mbr.bin >/dev/${disc}
> 
> That particular file is a generic GPL MBR.  Its part of the syslinux rpm.
> 
> Run fdisk to delete all partitions and recreate just what is necessary 
> -- the script for that is kinda hard to read unless you are intimate 
> with fdisk, so I won't post it here to prevent confusion.
> 
> Be sure to tag the primary (assuming 1 here) partition as bootable.
> 
> Then to format:
> 
> mkfs -t vfat -F 32 -n "$name" /dev/${disc}1
> 
> Some vendors like to really mess with their thumb drives, requiring a 
> bad sector check during format.  Add a -c to the above for that.  It 
> takes a bit longer, but might help on a stubborn drive.

Exactly what I was looking for - thanks a bunch!

Cheers,

Chris


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Re: no text appearing

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:27 PM, g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Aldo Foot wrote:
> 
>> When you boot try typing
>>  linux  xdriver=vesa
>> maybe that will give you a basic gui install method.
>>
>> If that fails, try a text install, see this:
>> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Fedora-Core-6-Text-Mode-Installation-Guide-43302.shtml
>> At the boot prompt you would type "linux text". Read the text
>> displayed by the boot screen.
>
> uhhh. what about 'e' for edit?

Are you thinking of the grub boot loader?

~af

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Re: FEDORA net etiquette

2008-10-31 Thread Tim

On Fri, 2008-10-31 at 04:11 +, g wrote:
> it is a *tech support list* with people speaking in one common
> language as best as some are able to. [no degradation intended]
>
> there is no need for accent marks, special characters or symbols. yet
> posters continue to do so.

All I can say is that you're a racist ignoramus.  People who have
accents in their names are not going to anglicise their names to please
you, likewise with people who've names that don't use English
characters, at all, and words that have accents as a proper part of
their name, or anything else beyond ASCII (which has ALWAYS been
hopelessly inadequate for anything other than basic grade school
language).

As far as etiquette goes, you're taking the cake for blasting it away to
be a rude pig.

You also seem to have a general misunderstanding about what plain text
means, not to mention the technicalities of email.  Content-type
text/plain just means text, it doesn't disallow MIME headers, nor
content-type-encoding, such as base 64.  They're different things,
again, and still part of plain text content.

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Re: Fedora vs RedHat

2008-10-31 Thread Matt Domsch

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 06:30:45PM -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> Les Mikesell wrote:
> > 
> > Where are people using fedora?  How many?
> > 
> Well, it is just a guess, but I would think that most of the people
> on this list are using Fedora. (Why else be on the list?) As for how
> many? Who know. When you can not even get hard numbers on how many
> people are running some Linux distribution, how are you going to
> come up with the number of people using Fedora?

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics
uses some fairly decent guesses, noting how these statistics may not
be perfect, but they're as close as we have.

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Re: no text appearing

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Aldo Foot wrote:

>> uhhh. what about 'e' for edit?
> 
> Are you thinking of the grub boot loader?

well, actually, not thinking. or thinking and not recalling.

too much 'trick or treat' candy, and fermented grapes w/ caramel.

yes, 'e' for edit is grub.

were in, actual, with an install dvd/cd, it is  and 
to clear line, then enter 'linux text' for boot a text install.

that is in the case of f8. as for f9, has it change?

i am still enjoying f8 with kde3.

'happy pumpkin'.
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Re: How do I create 6 pages?

2008-10-31 Thread Anoop

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Dan Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Steven W. Orr wrote:
>>
>> On Friday, Oct 31st 2008 at 00:10 -, quoth Anoop:
>>
>> =>Hi Steven,
>> =>
>> =>On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Steven W. Orr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> =>> On my F9 task bar I have a pager widget, but I can't figure out how to
>> =>> increase the number of pages. I'd like to get to 6.
>> =>For that you have to increase number of desktops. You can increase them
>> from
>> =>System Settings -> Desktop -> Multiple Desktops
>> =>
>> =>Thanks,
>> =>Anoop
>>
>> Now I see the problem. I don't have Desktop -> Multiple Desktops. What I
>> have looks like this
>>
>> Appearance
>>Windows
>>Window Decorations
>>Buttons
>>Theme Manager
>>Colors
>>Scheme
>>Color
>>Effects
>>Style
>>Style
>>Effects
>>Toolbar
>>Splash Screen
>>Fonts
>>Icons
>> Desktop
>>Desktop Effects
>>General
>>All Effects
>>Launch Feedback
>>Screensaver
>> Notifications
>>System notifications
>>Applications
>>Player Settings
>>System Bell
>> Window Behaviour
>>Window Specific
>>Window Behavior
>>Focus
>>Titlebar Actions
>>Window Actions
>>Moving
>>Advanced
>>
>> Any ideas? Am I missing something? Do I have to pay extra ;-)
No need to pay anything :).
BTW what KDE version are you using?
I am using KDE-4.1.2 and I am seeing 'Multiple Desktops' icon

-anoop

>>
>>
>
> Unless I am missing something, are you talking about Workspace Switcher?
> If so, then move mouse over the workspace switcher, right mouse button
> click,
> then select Preferences.  In the pop up Preferences menu, increase
> "Number of Workspaces"
>
> If not, sorry to bother you!
>
> Dan
>
>

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Re: Can't load cpuspeed

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open a window terminal, or virtual terminal, run commands;

  modprobe -c|grep acpi
  chkconfig --list|grep cpuspeed

what do these commands show?
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Re: FEDORA net etiquette