K3B freezes system (temporarily)

[Michael Eager]

When I run K3B on Fedora 10 (or past versions)
it pretty much freezes my system until it finishes.
Especially when erasing a CD, display, keyboard
and mouse are frozen.

I'm running a four-processor system.  What would
K3B be doing which would lock the system so that
it would not respond?

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Re: initdefault has no effect

[Sharpe, Sam J]

2009/4/7 D. Hugh Redelmeier :
> | From: "Sharpe, Sam J" 
>
> | runlevel=$(/bin/awk -F ':' '($3 == "initdefault") && ($1 !~ /(#|;)/) { 
> print $2 }' /etc/inittab)
>
> Probably you meant ($1 !~ /^(#|;)/)

Actually I didn't - hence my comment:

> I've assumed that # and ; are comments and aren't allowed in the runlevel 
> descriptions.

# is definitely a comment
; this might be a comment
 # I consider a comment - # is the first non-whitespace character

Because It's only matching on $1 and split on colons, then the only
conceivable bad match would be something like:

id#:5:initdefault:

hence the assumption that # is not allowed in the runlevel descriptions.

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Re: Apache Config - how to make a directory accessable ? (SOLVED)

[Uwe Kiewel]

Craig White schrieb:

On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 23:18 +0200, Uwe Kiewel wrote:

max bianco wrote:

SELinux was in fact the issue !

Thanks for your help
--

 If you think you need to add policy rules , ask on fedora-selinux
first. The webserver policy is pretty well tested and there are
several booleans that usually will cover most of your needs.


The question is: Does he need selinux? For a normal server it is too
paranoid I think. SElinux is the first thing I switch off after the setup.


I can see how life's easier when you disable technologies that
contribute to the overall security of your systems but I can't see the
logic of boasting about it.



My point of view: Use the technologies you need in your specific case - 
do not use every technology you could use.


Fedora enables SElinux by default - other distributions do not so.

Uwe

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Re: Chown ???

[Paul Newell]

g wrote:

Jim wrote:

  
Thanks for your reply, yes I'm aware about the SU, I just do that so it 
will stand out in a message.



ok. i will accept that. that is as long as you know 'su' is 'substitute user 
and group'
and not 'super user' as msbsos people like to think of themselves. :)

  
I remember hearing "super user" back when I first was working on Unix in 
the mid 1980's and I was positive that I hadn't picked it up from any 
DOS-folk. But, of course, memory is not good enough when trying to say 
"I don't quite think so", so I searched through my library and found 
what I think is a good cause for source of the "super-user" meaning, not 
"substitute user and group"


From "The Unix Programming Environment" by Brian W. Kernighan and Rob 
Pike (c) 1984 (I think mine is 5th printing of that first edition) page 52:


"But we must warn you: there is a special user on every UNIX system, 
called the super-user, who can read of modify any file on the system. 
The special login name root carries super-user privileges: it is used by 
system administrators when they do system maintenance. There is also a 
command called su that grants super-user status if you know the root 
password. This anyone who knows the super-user password can read you 
love letters, so don't keep sensitive material in a file system." 
(Syntax removed to make sure this doesn't turn into html doc)


The third sentence pretty much binds "su" to "super-user" as far as 
Kernighan and Pike phrase it. Not msbsos (and I think you were the one 
who answered my query many months ago to find out what msbsos meant (smile))


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Re: Forttran 77

[Nifty Fedora Mitch]

On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 08:05:23PM -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
> mj...@lavabit.com wrote:
>>  hi to all
>>
>>   I want  help to install Fortran 77 on my laptop at
>> present i am using FC9. please  help me .
>
> Install:
>
>compat-gcc-34-g77
>
> It sould give you a g77 command which will compile F77 programs.

F77 is an 'old' fortran.   Are your programs equally as old?

One of the generic way to find packages like compat-gcc-34-g77 is:

yum info all > /tmp/infoall
less /tmp/infoall   # search for fortran or Fortran or FORTRAN.

Of interest the Intel compiler suite for students has a good price.


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Re: symmetric multiprocessing?

[charles zeitler]

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Konstantin Svist  wrote:

> charles zeitler wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 1:01 AM, Shakthi Kannan  > > wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > --- On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:15 AM, charles zeitler
> > mailto:cfzeit...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > | does anybody have any links?
> > |
> > | especially interested in:
> > |
> > | how does it work?
> > | and linux 2.6 support of SMP
> > | with XEON and AMD server motherboards.
> > \--
> >
> > Linux and symmetric multiprocessing:
> > http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-linux-smp/
> >
> > SK
> >
> > --
> > Shakthi Kannan
> > http://www.shakthimaan.com
> >
> >
> > thanks, Shakti. it seems that smp is likely not a good fit for the
> > multi-socket
> > opteron boards. time to google for info on numa..
> >
> > charles zeitler
> http://lse.sourceforge.net/numa/faq/index.html#numa_v_smp
> As long as you have fewer than a dozen sockets, you'll do fine with an
> SMP kernel :)
>
>
> uh huh.  will the smp kernel see non-local memory as part of its shared
> memory?
>

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Re: Need help with Reboot cause

[g]

Peter J. Stieber wrote:

> running the latest x86_64 Fedora 10 kernel that I recently loaded (April 
> 2).  The machine reboots without warning.

where you previously running 32 bit?

how soon after loading f10 64 bit did problem start?

is there any consistency in reboot, that is, how often?

if reboot time is short, have you tried booting just to bios or boot prompt?

in and along lines of psu and mainboard, have you added any hardware?

what is make and model of psu and mainboard?

check web for load ratings of mainboard, drives and any added cards to see how 
close
you are to rating of psu.

in direction of psu and mainboard, 'bad cap syndrome', do you have hardware 
that you
can remove to see if you are having psu load problem?

like drives that can be removed, cd/dvd drive, nic, audio, change to a light 
weight video?

pull all removable hardware and boot to bios to see if will stay up. if ok, 
replace cards one
by one. then add drives one by one.

if you pull hardware and still have reboots, then you may well have 'bad caps'.

a quick test to save pulling hardware and you are a tinkerer, get an automobile 
tail/brake
light and connect to psu +12v and +5v to test loading.

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Re: Apache Config - how to make a directory accessable ?

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Craig White wrote:
> 
> mkdir /var/www/html/csweb
> mount -o bind /stage/webpages/csweb /var/www/html
> 
> and if that works, makes user, selinux happy, then you could permanently
> add it to fstab
> 
> Craig
> 
If that does not make SELinux happy, try something like:

mount -o bind,context=system_u:object_r:httpd_sys_content_t:s0 \
/stage/webpages/csweb /var/www/html

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Re: Apache Config - how to make a directory accessable ? (SOLVED)

[Craig White]

On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 23:18 +0200, Uwe Kiewel wrote:
> max bianco wrote:
> >> SELinux was in fact the issue !
> >>
> >> Thanks for your help
> >> --
> >  If you think you need to add policy rules , ask on fedora-selinux
> > first. The webserver policy is pretty well tested and there are
> > several booleans that usually will cover most of your needs.
> > 
> The question is: Does he need selinux? For a normal server it is too
> paranoid I think. SElinux is the first thing I switch off after the setup.

I can see how life's easier when you disable technologies that
contribute to the overall security of your systems but I can't see the
logic of boasting about it.

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CIFS unmount fails at shutdown, causing delay...

[Eric Holt]

Hello all.  I am relatively new to Fedora, but have been very impressed.  It
has replaced Ubuntu as my linux "desktop distro" of choice on both my Laptop
and Desktop machines.

I have a file server in my home, which both the desktop and laptop mount at
bootup via fstab, over the network via the CIFS filesystem.  The mounts work
perfectly on bootup on both machines.  When I log in, I have perfect access
to all my files.

The problem comes with rebooting or shutting down the laptop.  When it gets
to the CIFS stuff, it hangs, and gives an error.  Sometimes it will delay
the shutdown/reboot 30 seconds, other times it delays it about a minute,
while trying to do whatever its trying to do.  The desktop machine does not
exhibit this issue.

The desktop machine is wire-networked, and the laptop is wireless.  My
instinct tells me that something before CIFS is causing the wireless to
disconnect before it gets to the CIFS unmounting, which is why it does not
present as a problem on the desktop machine.  I see NetworkManager shuts
down *after* the CIFS stuff, however.

Anyone have any quick thoughts on how to fix this?  This is really the only
issue I am having with my Fedora install, everything else has been
fantastic.  Oh BTW, this is Fedora 10, 64bit.


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* blowing up in your face.

[James Wilkinson]

max bianco wrote:
> If i read him right then the hidden files and such aren't getting the
> right owner/group. I think its just the way the * is exapanded in the
> shell.
> he should have used *.*

PLEASE take more care when making recommendations!

Fortunately, it won’t work. It will match any file with a dot somewhere
in the middle.

Why is that fortunate? If you had recommended
chown -R .*
the shell would have expanded that to
chown -R . .. (and so on)
and would have chowned all files under the parent directory (assuming it
was run as root).

If you’re in a user’s home directory, then this would change the
ownership of all files in all home directories on the machine.

I once had a colleague do a
cd /home
chmod 777 * .*
on an AIX machine. That changed all the permissions on all files on the
machine. Eventually we had to reinstall. (These days I could have done
something with a shell script and a backup log…)

Personally, I’d recommend
chown -R user:group /home/user
i.e. do it on the directory itself, not all the files underneath it.

Hope this helps,

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Re: Chown ???

[g]

Jim wrote:

> Thanks for your reply, yes I'm aware about the SU, I just do that so it 
> will stand out in a message.

ok. i will accept that. that is as long as you know 'su' is 'substitute user 
and group'
and not 'super user' as msbsos people like to think of themselves. :)

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Re: Apache Config - how to make a directory accessable ? (SOLVED)

[Uwe Kiewel]

max bianco wrote:
>> SELinux was in fact the issue !
>>
>> Thanks for your help
>> --
>  If you think you need to add policy rules , ask on fedora-selinux
> first. The webserver policy is pretty well tested and there are
> several booleans that usually will cover most of your needs.
> 
The question is: Does he need selinux? For a normal server it is too
paranoid I think. SElinux is the first thing I switch off after the setup.

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Re: Chown ???

[Jim]

g wrote:

Jim wrote:

  

As SU and in /home/michael folder I'am running the command;

chown -R michael:michael *



that should work.

  
But it is not changing to owner "michael"   in SOME of the folders and 
files in his 'home' folders.

What command would I use ??



try 'chown -R michael:michael /home/michael'.

[also, as a note to your typing, 'SU' should be 'su'.]

  
Thanks for your reply, yes I'm aware about the SU, I just do that so it 
will stand out in a message.

Thanks

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Re: Chown ???

[Craig White]

On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 22:58 +0200, Uwe Kiewel wrote:
> Craig White wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 16:33 -0400, Jim wrote:
> >> I have a user /home/user directory that ended up with the wrong OWNERS 
> >> of his files , I know what cause it, it was my mistake, but I'm having 
> >> problems of get Folders, Files assigned to "michael" who is the real owner.
> >> As SU and in /home/michael folder I'am running the command;
> >>
> >> chown -R michael:michael *
> >>
> >> But it is not changing to owner "michael"   in SOME of the folders and 
> >> files in his 'home' folders.
> >> What command would I use ??
> > 
> > should work...
> > 
> > chmod -R michael:michael /home/user/michael
> 
> assuming you're takling about chown
> 
> > 
> > cd /home/user/michael
> > find . ! -user michael
> > 
> > will return all files/folders not owned by 'user' michael
> 
> if there are any files:
> 
> find . ! -user michael -exec chown michael:michael {} \;
> 

yeah, chown... ;-)  one liner showoff... ;-)

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Re: Chown ???

[g]

Craig White wrote:

> chmod -R michael:michael /home/user/michael

where you getting '/user/'?

op states '/home/michael'.

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Re: Apache Config - how to make a directory accessable ? (SOLVED)

[max bianco]

>
> SELinux was in fact the issue !
>
> Thanks for your help
> --
 If you think you need to add policy rules , ask on fedora-selinux
first. The webserver policy is pretty well tested and there are
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Re: Chown ???

[g]

max bianco wrote:

> he should have used *.* or what you suggested : chown -R
> michael:michael /home/michael

you are correct about '*.*' from /home/micheal directory to get hidden
files and directories.

but using 'chown -R michael:michael /home/michael' give home directory to 
michael,
which is what michael will need.

also, tho i did not mention it, there is a need to insure that '/home/michael' 
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Re: Need help with Reboot cause

[Peter J. Stieber]

PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> This is going to sound vague, but here goes...
PS>>
PS>> I have a dual opteron system that has been acting as the
PS>> worldly node for a small cluster of computers since
PS>> September, 2004.  The machine is running the latest
PS>> x86_64 Fedora 10 kernel that I recently loaded (April
PS>> 2).  The machine reboots without warning.  I can't find
PS>> the cause in log files (maybe I'm not looking in the
PS>> correct log).
PS>>
PS>> I'm currently running memtest.  If all of the tests pass,
PS>> could the community suggest other diagnostic tasks or
PS>> information I could post to help diagnose the problem?
PS>>
PS>> I wish I could be more specific

AF = Aldo Foot
AF> I had a similar problem with a machine. It would reboot
AF> and go through several reboots before it would give me
AF> a login screen. Then it would crash without warning. It
AF> was a bad memory module; the machine would boot fine
AF> with one, but not with two modules.
AF> If you have more than one memory module test by using
AF> one at a time. Maybe memtest will give some info.

I have been using the same memory in the machine since 2004.  I ran 
memtest for one complete test cycle and didn't get any error reports.  I 
know I should let it run longer, but I'm trying a couple of other tests...


1. Removed a Belkin OmniView PRO2 4-Port KVM switch (F1DA104T)
2. Didn't start my samba server

and I'm having better luck.  I'll report back either way.

Thanks for the suggestion,
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Re: Chown ???

[Uwe Kiewel]

Craig White wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 16:33 -0400, Jim wrote:
>> I have a user /home/user directory that ended up with the wrong OWNERS 
>> of his files , I know what cause it, it was my mistake, but I'm having 
>> problems of get Folders, Files assigned to "michael" who is the real owner.
>> As SU and in /home/michael folder I'am running the command;
>>
>> chown -R michael:michael *
>>
>> But it is not changing to owner "michael"   in SOME of the folders and 
>> files in his 'home' folders.
>> What command would I use ??
> 
> should work...
> 
> chmod -R michael:michael /home/user/michael

assuming you're takling about chown

> 
> cd /home/user/michael
> find . ! -user michael
> 
> will return all files/folders not owned by 'user' michael

if there are any files:

find . ! -user michael -exec chown michael:michael {} \;

HTH,
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Re: Classified Updates2

[Paul W. Frields]

On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 02:48:28PM -0500, Seann Clark wrote:
> Levesque, Michael wrote:
>>
>> I just put a fresh install of Fedora 10 on a classified machine on a  
>> closed network. Is there a way that I can bring updates into the area  
>> since I can’t use yum?
>>
> Best way to do it is get a list of packages to be updated (run yum on an  
> unclassified machine and get the package list) and download the RPM's for 
> those, either manually or using YUM. Then burn them to CD or DVD
>
>
> Next time you should do a fresh install on an Unclass system, get it  
> updated, get it moved into your Secure location, and maintain it from  
> there. I recommend using a more stable life cycle distro than Fedora so  
> you don't have to use as many discs to keep it up to date. This way it is 
> complaint with your IA group and easier to maintain.
>
>
> Military jargon is no different than financial jargon or computer jargon. 
> If you don't understand it, there shouldn't be a need to persecute those 
> who do. It isn't a conducive way to facilitate a community, and I take it 
> that is what this list is supposed to be, since the list is labeled as: 
> "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora".

Coming from a background where this jargon appeared frequently, I
understood what the OP meant perfectly.  Note that one person doesn't
necessarily speak for the whole community, so a negative reaction from
a single person shouldn't be taken as coming from all of us.

By the way, I pretty much agree with your answer here.  I had a
similar setup, and what I did there -- with approval, because
compliance with security policy is first and foremost in that kind of
environment -- was to simply mirror updates onto a storage medium, do
the necessary compliance procedures on that medium, and then use it to
transfer the updates to an internal mirror not on the external
network.  Machines on the network with the internal mirror used a DNS
that redirected calls to mirrors.fedoraproject.org, and I provided a
mirrorlist script that gave out the appropriate IP address and
directories for the update server.

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Re: Need help with Reboot cause

[Peter J. Stieber]

PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> I have a dual opteron system that has been acting as
PS>> the worldly node for a small cluster of computers
PS>> since September, 2004.  The machine is running the
PS>> latest x86_64 Fedora 10 kernel that I recently loaded
PS>> (April 2).  The machine reboots without warning.  I
PS>> can't find the cause in log files (maybe I'm not
PS>> looking in the correct log).

m> any new hardware attached or installed recently?

It's not real new (a few months or so), but I did start using a Belkin 
OmniView PRO2 4-Port KVM switch (F1DA104T) with this machine.  I am 
currently running my builds with this device "out of the loop" and 
without the samba server enabled and this seems to be working.


I'll report back if the machine reboots.

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Re: Fedora and Dell Vostro

[Gary Stainburn]

On Tuesday 07 April 2009 19:51:36 Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Gary Stainburn wrote:
> > Work's finally looking to get me a new laptop.  Can anyone tell me how
> > they find Dell Vostro laptops with Fedora.
>
> There are many Vostro models with vastly differing hardware configurations,
> you'll have to be more specific.
>
> Kevin Kofler

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Re: Chown ???

[Craig White]

On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 16:33 -0400, Jim wrote:
> I have a user /home/user directory that ended up with the wrong OWNERS 
> of his files , I know what cause it, it was my mistake, but I'm having 
> problems of get Folders, Files assigned to "michael" who is the real owner.
> As SU and in /home/michael folder I'am running the command;
> 
> chown -R michael:michael *
> 
> But it is not changing to owner "michael"   in SOME of the folders and 
> files in his 'home' folders.
> What command would I use ??

should work...

chmod -R michael:michael /home/user/michael

cd /home/user/michael
find . ! -user michael

will return all files/folders not owned by 'user' michael

(shouldn't be any)

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Re: Apache Config - how to make a directory accessable ? (SOLVED)

[Kevin Kempter]

On Tuesday 07 April 2009 14:38:23 max bianco wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Uwe Kiewel  wrote:
> > max bianco wrote:
> >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Kevin Kempter  
wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday 07 April 2009 14:05:49 Uwe Kiewel wrote:
>  Kevin Kempter wrote:
> > On Tuesday 07 April 2009 13:24:00 Uwe Kiewel wrote:
> >> Kevin Kempter wrote:
> >>> Hi All;
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have a laptop running Fedora10 x86_64.
> >>>
> >>> I started the default config and I can go to http://localhost and I
> >>> see the expected Fedora Test Page.
> >>>
> >>> I want to install a web site in /stage/webpages/csweb (/stage is a
> >>> separate file system) so I did this:
> >>>
> >>> 1) I checked to make sure the httpd.conf file was including the
> >>> conf.d/* files with this line in the httpd.conf file:
> >>>
> >>> Include conf.d/*.conf
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2) I added this file (named csweb.conf) to the /etc/httpd/conf.d
> >>> directory:
> >>>
> >>> #
> >>> # Setup directory: /stage/webpages/csweb
> >>
> >> Is that directory readable by the webserver? In that case I talk
> >> about file system permissions.
> >>
> >>
> >> THT,
> >> Uwe
> >
> > Here's the file system perms:
> >
> >
> > /stage:
> > (ls -l / | grep stage)
> > drwxrwxrwx 18 root root 4096 2009-04-07 10:45 stage
> >
> >
> > /stage/webpages
> > (ls -l /stage | grep webpages)
> > drwxrwxr-x 4 kkempter kkempter 4096 2009-04-07 10:46 webpages
> >
> >
> > /stage/webpages/csweb
> > (ls -l /stage/webpages | grep csweb)
> > drwxrwxr-x 17 kkempter kkempter 4096 2009-04-07 12:41 csweb
> 
>  What does the error_log say?
> 
>  /var/log/httpd/error_log
> 
> 
>  HTH,
>  Uwe
> >>>
> >>> [Tue Apr 07 14:15:31 2009] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (13)Permission
> >>> denied: access to /csweb/ denied
> >>
> >> SELinux?
> >
> > Good hint, Max.
> >
> > e.g. dmesg might show this
>
> SELinux stores its logs in : /var/log/audit/audit.log
>
> ausearch is the best tool to search this from the CLI or use the
> graphical audit log analysis tools.
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>
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SELinux was in fact the issue !

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Re: Chown ???

[max bianco]

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 4:46 PM, g  wrote:
> Jim wrote:
>
>> As SU and in /home/michael folder I'am running the command;
>>
>> chown -R michael:michael *
>
> that should work.
>
>> But it is not changing to owner "michael"   in SOME of the folders and
>> files in his 'home' folders.
>> What command would I use ??
>
> try 'chown -R michael:michael /home/michael'.
>
> [also, as a note to your typing, 'SU' should be 'su'.]
>
If i read him right then the hidden files and such aren't getting the
right owner/group. I think its just the way the * is exapanded in the
shell.
he should have used *.* or what you suggested : chown -R
michael:michael /home/michael
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Re: Chown ???

[g]

Jim wrote:

> As SU and in /home/michael folder I'am running the command;
>
> chown -R michael:michael *

that should work.

> But it is not changing to owner "michael"   in SOME of the folders and 
> files in his 'home' folders.
> What command would I use ??

try 'chown -R michael:michael /home/michael'.

[also, as a note to your typing, 'SU' should be 'su'.]

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Re: Apache Config - how to make a directory accessable ?

[max bianco]

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Uwe Kiewel  wrote:
> max bianco wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Kevin Kempter  
>> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday 07 April 2009 14:05:49 Uwe Kiewel wrote:
 Kevin Kempter wrote:
> On Tuesday 07 April 2009 13:24:00 Uwe Kiewel wrote:
>> Kevin Kempter wrote:
>>> Hi All;
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a laptop running Fedora10 x86_64.
>>>
>>> I started the default config and I can go to http://localhost and I
>>> see the expected Fedora Test Page.
>>>
>>> I want to install a web site in /stage/webpages/csweb (/stage is a
>>> separate file system) so I did this:
>>>
>>> 1) I checked to make sure the httpd.conf file was including the
>>> conf.d/* files with this line in the httpd.conf file:
>>>
>>> Include conf.d/*.conf
>>>
>>>
>>> 2) I added this file (named csweb.conf) to the /etc/httpd/conf.d
>>> directory:
>>>
>>> #
>>> # Setup directory: /stage/webpages/csweb
>> Is that directory readable by the webserver? In that case I talk about
>> file system permissions.
>>
>>
>> THT,
>> Uwe
> Here's the file system perms:
>
>
> /stage:
> (ls -l / | grep stage)
> drwxrwxrwx 18 root root 4096 2009-04-07 10:45 stage
>
>
> /stage/webpages
> (ls -l /stage | grep webpages)
> drwxrwxr-x 4 kkempter kkempter 4096 2009-04-07 10:46 webpages
>
>
> /stage/webpages/csweb
> (ls -l /stage/webpages | grep csweb)
> drwxrwxr-x 17 kkempter kkempter 4096 2009-04-07 12:41 csweb
 What does the error_log say?

 /var/log/httpd/error_log


 HTH,
 Uwe
>>> [Tue Apr 07 14:15:31 2009] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (13)Permission denied:
>>> access to /csweb/ denied
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> SELinux?
>>
> Good hint, Max.
>
> e.g. dmesg might show this

SELinux stores its logs in : /var/log/audit/audit.log

ausearch is the best tool to search this from the CLI or use the
graphical audit log analysis tools.
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Re: initdefault has no effect

[Robert Nichols]

Craig White wrote:

On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 12:30 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:

Mike Burger wrote:

Ed Greshko wrote:


Hummm  Bad news

I had to test this and have in the intttab file

#   5 - X11
#   6 - reboot (Do NOT set initdefault to this)
#
; id:5:initdefault:
id:3:initdefault:

And the system still comes up in run level 5.



Yet the fact remains, ; had no more effect than #.  If you don't trust
the test that I did, you can do it yourself in order to prove it.


I've done nothing to study the code but it seems consistent with the way
chkconfig also derives the runlevels from the initscripts. It leads to a
guess that there is just a quick & dirty type grep for the first result
and run with it.


In the case of chkconfig, the file it's examining is a shell script, and
the parameter lines have to be marked as shell comments.  That's not the
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Re: Apache Config - how to make a directory accessable ?

[Craig White]

On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 13:33 -0700, Craig White wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 13:10 -0600, Kevin Kempter wrote:
> > Hi All;
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I have a laptop running Fedora10 x86_64.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I started the default config and I can go to http://localhost and I
> > see the expected Fedora Test Page.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I want to install a web site in /stage/webpages/csweb (/stage is a
> > separate file system) so I did this:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 1) I checked to make sure the httpd.conf file was including the
> > conf.d/* files with this line in the httpd.conf file:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Include conf.d/*.conf
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 2) I added this file (named csweb.conf) to the /etc/httpd/conf.d
> > directory:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > #
> > # Setup directory: /stage/webpages/csweb
> > #
> > AliasMatch ^/csweb(?:/(?:de|en|fr|ja|ko|ru))?(/.*)?$
> > "/stage/webpages/csweb$1"
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Options Indexes
> > AllowOverride None
> > Order allow,deny
> > Allow from all
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I restarted apache (service httpd restart) and I go to
> > "http://localhost/csweb"; and I get this:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Forbidden
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > You don't have permission to access /csweb on this server
> 
> I was under the impression that httpd would automatically load all conf
> files in /etc/httpd/conf.d and such an addition was unnecessary.
> 
> httpd runs as user 'apache' and would necessarily have to be able to
> descend to the proper folder in this setup.
> 
> output of...?
> ls -ld /stage /stage/webpages /stage/webpages/csweb
> 
> Also, this kind of setup would cause all sorts of problems with selinux
> if it's on and would require some chcon adjustments. All of this could
> be avoided by simply doing a bind mount of /stage/webpages/csweb to
> something in /var/www/html...
> 
> mkdir /var/www/html/csweb
> mount -o bind /stage/webpages/csweb /var/www/html
> 
> and if that works, makes user, selinux happy, then you could permanently
> add it to fstab

um...

mount -o bind /stage/webpages/csweb /var/www/html/csweb

probably would work better ;-)

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Re: Apache Config - how to make a directory accessable ?

[Craig White]

On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 13:10 -0600, Kevin Kempter wrote:
> Hi All;
> 
> 
> 
> I have a laptop running Fedora10 x86_64.
> 
> 
> 
> I started the default config and I can go to http://localhost and I
> see the expected Fedora Test Page.
> 
> 
> 
> I want to install a web site in /stage/webpages/csweb (/stage is a
> separate file system) so I did this:
> 
> 
> 
> 1) I checked to make sure the httpd.conf file was including the
> conf.d/* files with this line in the httpd.conf file:
> 
> 
> 
> Include conf.d/*.conf
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2) I added this file (named csweb.conf) to the /etc/httpd/conf.d
> directory:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> #
> # Setup directory: /stage/webpages/csweb
> #
> AliasMatch ^/csweb(?:/(?:de|en|fr|ja|ko|ru))?(/.*)?$
> "/stage/webpages/csweb$1"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Options Indexes
> AllowOverride None
> Order allow,deny
> Allow from all
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I restarted apache (service httpd restart) and I go to
> "http://localhost/csweb"; and I get this:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Forbidden
> 
> 
> 
> You don't have permission to access /csweb on this server

I was under the impression that httpd would automatically load all conf
files in /etc/httpd/conf.d and such an addition was unnecessary.

httpd runs as user 'apache' and would necessarily have to be able to
descend to the proper folder in this setup.

output of...?
ls -ld /stage /stage/webpages /stage/webpages/csweb

Also, this kind of setup would cause all sorts of problems with selinux
if it's on and would require some chcon adjustments. All of this could
be avoided by simply doing a bind mount of /stage/webpages/csweb to
something in /var/www/html...

mkdir /var/www/html/csweb
mount -o bind /stage/webpages/csweb /var/www/html

and if that works, makes user, selinux happy, then you could permanently
add it to fstab

Craig


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Chown ???

[Jim]

I have a user /home/user directory that ended up with the wrong OWNERS 
of his files , I know what cause it, it was my mistake, but I'm having 
problems of get Folders, Files assigned to "michael" who is the real owner.

As SU and in /home/michael folder I'am running the command;

chown -R michael:michael *

But it is not changing to owner "michael"   in SOME of the folders and 
files in his 'home' folders.

What command would I use ??

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Re: Apache Config - how to make a directory accessable ?

[Uwe Kiewel]

max bianco wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Kevin Kempter  
> wrote:
>> On Tuesday 07 April 2009 14:05:49 Uwe Kiewel wrote:
>>> Kevin Kempter wrote:
 On Tuesday 07 April 2009 13:24:00 Uwe Kiewel wrote:
> Kevin Kempter wrote:
>> Hi All;
>>
>>
>> I have a laptop running Fedora10 x86_64.
>>
>> I started the default config and I can go to http://localhost and I
>> see the expected Fedora Test Page.
>>
>> I want to install a web site in /stage/webpages/csweb (/stage is a
>> separate file system) so I did this:
>>
>> 1) I checked to make sure the httpd.conf file was including the
>> conf.d/* files with this line in the httpd.conf file:
>>
>> Include conf.d/*.conf
>>
>>
>> 2) I added this file (named csweb.conf) to the /etc/httpd/conf.d
>> directory:
>>
>> #
>> # Setup directory: /stage/webpages/csweb
> Is that directory readable by the webserver? In that case I talk about
> file system permissions.
>
>
> THT,
> Uwe
 Here's the file system perms:


 /stage:
 (ls -l / | grep stage)
 drwxrwxrwx 18 root root 4096 2009-04-07 10:45 stage


 /stage/webpages
 (ls -l /stage | grep webpages)
 drwxrwxr-x 4 kkempter kkempter 4096 2009-04-07 10:46 webpages


 /stage/webpages/csweb
 (ls -l /stage/webpages | grep csweb)
 drwxrwxr-x 17 kkempter kkempter 4096 2009-04-07 12:41 csweb
>>> What does the error_log say?
>>>
>>> /var/log/httpd/error_log
>>>
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>> Uwe
>> [Tue Apr 07 14:15:31 2009] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (13)Permission denied:
>> access to /csweb/ denied
>>
>>
>>
> SELinux?
> 
Good hint, Max.

e.g. dmesg might show this

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Re: Classified Updates2

[Seann Clark]

Levesque, Michael wrote:

Thanks for the advice Sean

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Subject: Re: Classified Updates2

Levesque, Michael wrote:
  
I just put a fresh install of Fedora 10 on a classified machine on a 
closed network. Is there a way that I can bring updates into the area 
since I can't use yum?




Best way to do it is get a list of packages to be updated (run yum on an 
unclassified machine and get the package list) and download the RPM's for 
those, either manually or using YUM. Then burn them to CD or DVD


Next time you should do a fresh install on an Unclass system, get it updated, 
get it moved into your Secure location, and maintain it from there. I recommend 
using a more stable life cycle distro than Fedora so you don't have to use as 
many discs to keep it up to date. This way it is complaint with your IA group 
and easier to maintain.


Military jargon is no different than financial jargon or computer jargon. If you don't 
understand it, there shouldn't be a need to persecute those who do. It isn't a conducive 
way to facilitate a community, and I take it that is what this list is supposed to be, 
since the list is labeled as: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for 
using Fedora".



Regards,
Seann





  
If you need anything regarding this, I still have some knowledge on 
military networks, six and a half years working in a Network Operations 
Center helped a lot, esp. with the secured networks side, and can offer 
some of the solutions I have used.



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Re: Apache Config - how to make a directory accessable ?

[max bianco]

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Kevin Kempter  wrote:
> On Tuesday 07 April 2009 14:05:49 Uwe Kiewel wrote:
>> Kevin Kempter wrote:
>> > On Tuesday 07 April 2009 13:24:00 Uwe Kiewel wrote:
>> >> Kevin Kempter wrote:
>> >> > Hi All;
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I have a laptop running Fedora10 x86_64.
>> >> >
>> >> > I started the default config and I can go to http://localhost and I
>> >> > see the expected Fedora Test Page.
>> >> >
>> >> > I want to install a web site in /stage/webpages/csweb (/stage is a
>> >> > separate file system) so I did this:
>> >> >
>> >> > 1) I checked to make sure the httpd.conf file was including the
>> >> > conf.d/* files with this line in the httpd.conf file:
>> >> >
>> >> > Include conf.d/*.conf
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > 2) I added this file (named csweb.conf) to the /etc/httpd/conf.d
>> >> > directory:
>> >> >
>> >> > #
>> >> > # Setup directory: /stage/webpages/csweb
>> >>
>> >> Is that directory readable by the webserver? In that case I talk about
>> >> file system permissions.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> THT,
>> >> Uwe
>> >
>> > Here's the file system perms:
>> >
>> >
>> > /stage:
>> > (ls -l / | grep stage)
>> > drwxrwxrwx 18 root root 4096 2009-04-07 10:45 stage
>> >
>> >
>> > /stage/webpages
>> > (ls -l /stage | grep webpages)
>> > drwxrwxr-x 4 kkempter kkempter 4096 2009-04-07 10:46 webpages
>> >
>> >
>> > /stage/webpages/csweb
>> > (ls -l /stage/webpages | grep csweb)
>> > drwxrwxr-x 17 kkempter kkempter 4096 2009-04-07 12:41 csweb
>>
>> What does the error_log say?
>>
>> /var/log/httpd/error_log
>>
>>
>> HTH,
>> Uwe
>
> [Tue Apr 07 14:15:31 2009] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (13)Permission denied:
> access to /csweb/ denied
>
>
>
SELinux?



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Re: dbus vs bluetooth, dbus denies all bt actions. WTH?

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 07 April 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>Gene Heskett wrote:
>> Subject says it all, anything/everything in the bluez-4.34/test directory
>> is being denied by dbus.
>
>[snip]
>
>> How can I fix this?
>
>File a bug.
>
>And as you appear to use Rawhide, please use the fedora-test-list next time.
>Stable Fedora releases have a permissive D-Bus, so this bug should only
>happen in Rawhide. And BlueZ 4.34 is also only in Rawhide at the moment.
>
>Kevin Kofler

Not rawhide, Kevin, locally built bluez when the rpms for 4.30 wouldn't work.

And I have edited /etc/dbus-1/system.d/bluetooth.conf & made the last stanza 
read allow instead of deny.  That generally fixed the dbus denial crap, but 
even though I now have the devices paired ok, minicom still says it can't find 
/dev/rfcomm0 when I can plainly see it in /dev/rfcomm*:

-
[r...@coyote blueman-1.02]# ls -l /dev/rfcomm*
crw--- 1 root root 216, 0 2009-04-07 14:50 /dev/rfcomm0
[r...@coyote blueman-1.02]# minicom
minicom: cannot open /dev/rfcomm0: No such file or directory


I have paired them with the bluez 'simple-agent' from the 4.34 build, a 
utility that is not in the rpms.

I have also installed blueman-1.0.2 and the blueman-assistant claims the 
remote device was added, but then cannot connect with it, same error as 
minicom gives.

Any Suggestions?  I now have quite an array of tools and can supply the output 
they give, so ask away.  The devices are now reported as paired, but still 
aren't talking to each other.

Thanks.

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Re: Need help with Reboot cause

[Aldo Foot]

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Peter J. Stieber  wrote:
> This is going to sound vague, but here goes...
>
> I have a dual opteron system that has been acting as the worldly node for a
> small cluster of computers since September, 2004.  The machine is running
> the latest x86_64 Fedora 10 kernel that I recently loaded (April 2).  The
> machine reboots without warning.  I can't find the cause in log files (maybe
> I'm not looking in the correct log).
>
> I'm currently running memtest.  If all of the tests pass, could the
> community suggest other diagnostic tasks or information I could post to help
> diagnose the problem?
>
> I wish I could be more specific,
> Pete

I had a similar problem with a machine. It would reboot and go through several
reboots before it would give me a login screen. Then it would crash without
warning. It was a bad memory module; the machine would boot fine with one, but
not with two modules.
If you have more than one memory module test by using one at a time. Maybe
memtest will give some info.

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Re: Apache Config - how to make a directory accessable ?

[Kevin Kempter]

On Tuesday 07 April 2009 14:05:49 Uwe Kiewel wrote:
> Kevin Kempter wrote:
> > On Tuesday 07 April 2009 13:24:00 Uwe Kiewel wrote:
> >> Kevin Kempter wrote:
> >> > Hi All;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I have a laptop running Fedora10 x86_64.
> >> >
> >> > I started the default config and I can go to http://localhost and I
> >> > see the expected Fedora Test Page.
> >> >
> >> > I want to install a web site in /stage/webpages/csweb (/stage is a
> >> > separate file system) so I did this:
> >> >
> >> > 1) I checked to make sure the httpd.conf file was including the
> >> > conf.d/* files with this line in the httpd.conf file:
> >> >
> >> > Include conf.d/*.conf
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2) I added this file (named csweb.conf) to the /etc/httpd/conf.d
> >> > directory:
> >> >
> >> > #
> >> > # Setup directory: /stage/webpages/csweb
> >>
> >> Is that directory readable by the webserver? In that case I talk about
> >> file system permissions.
> >>
> >>
> >> THT,
> >> Uwe
> >
> > Here's the file system perms:
> >
> >
> > /stage:
> > (ls -l / | grep stage)
> > drwxrwxrwx 18 root root 4096 2009-04-07 10:45 stage
> >
> >
> > /stage/webpages
> > (ls -l /stage | grep webpages)
> > drwxrwxr-x 4 kkempter kkempter 4096 2009-04-07 10:46 webpages
> >
> >
> > /stage/webpages/csweb
> > (ls -l /stage/webpages | grep csweb)
> > drwxrwxr-x 17 kkempter kkempter 4096 2009-04-07 12:41 csweb
>
> What does the error_log say?
>
> /var/log/httpd/error_log
>
>
> HTH,
>   Uwe

[Tue Apr 07 14:15:31 2009] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (13)Permission denied: 
access to /csweb/ denied


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RE: Classified Updates2

[Levesque, Michael]

Thanks for the advice Sean

-Original Message-
From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On 
Behalf Of Seann Clark
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:48 PM
To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora.
Subject: Re: Classified Updates2

Levesque, Michael wrote:
>
> I just put a fresh install of Fedora 10 on a classified machine on a 
> closed network. Is there a way that I can bring updates into the area 
> since I can't use yum?
>
Best way to do it is get a list of packages to be updated (run yum on an 
unclassified machine and get the package list) and download the RPM's for 
those, either manually or using YUM. Then burn them to CD or DVD


Next time you should do a fresh install on an Unclass system, get it updated, 
get it moved into your Secure location, and maintain it from there. I recommend 
using a more stable life cycle distro than Fedora so you don't have to use as 
many discs to keep it up to date. This way it is complaint with your IA group 
and easier to maintain.


Military jargon is no different than financial jargon or computer jargon. If 
you don't understand it, there shouldn't be a need to persecute those who do. 
It isn't a conducive way to facilitate a community, and I take it that is what 
this list is supposed to be, since the list is labeled as: "Community 
assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora".



Regards,
Seann





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Re: Apache Config - how to make a directory accessable ?

[Uwe Kiewel]

Kevin Kempter wrote:
> On Tuesday 07 April 2009 13:24:00 Uwe Kiewel wrote:
>> Kevin Kempter wrote:
>> > Hi All;
>> >
>> >
>> > I have a laptop running Fedora10 x86_64.
>> >
>> > I started the default config and I can go to http://localhost and I see
>> > the expected Fedora Test Page.
>> >
>> > I want to install a web site in /stage/webpages/csweb (/stage is a
>> > separate file system) so I did this:
>> >
>> > 1) I checked to make sure the httpd.conf file was including the conf.d/*
>> > files with this line in the httpd.conf file:
>> >
>> > Include conf.d/*.conf
>> >
>> >
>> > 2) I added this file (named csweb.conf) to the /etc/httpd/conf.d
>> > directory:
>> >
>> > #
>> > # Setup directory: /stage/webpages/csweb
>>
>> Is that directory readable by the webserver? In that case I talk about
>> file system permissions.
>>
>>
>> THT,
>> Uwe
> 
> 
> Here's the file system perms:
> 
> 
> /stage:
> (ls -l / | grep stage)
> drwxrwxrwx 18 root root 4096 2009-04-07 10:45 stage
> 
> 
> /stage/webpages
> (ls -l /stage | grep webpages)
> drwxrwxr-x 4 kkempter kkempter 4096 2009-04-07 10:46 webpages
> 
> 
> /stage/webpages/csweb
> (ls -l /stage/webpages | grep csweb)
> drwxrwxr-x 17 kkempter kkempter 4096 2009-04-07 12:41 csweb
> 


What does the error_log say?

/var/log/httpd/error_log


HTH,
Uwe

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Re: Classified Updates2

[Daniel B. Thurman]

Seann Clark wrote:

Levesque, Michael wrote:


I just put a fresh install of Fedora 10 on a classified machine on a 
closed network. Is there a way that I can bring updates into the area 
since I can’t use yum?


Best way to do it is get a list of packages to be updated (run yum on 
an unclassified machine and get the package list) and download the 
RPM's for those, either manually or using YUM. Then burn them to CD or 
DVD



Next time you should do a fresh install on an Unclass system, get it 
updated, get it moved into your Secure location, and maintain it from 
there. I recommend using a more stable life cycle distro than Fedora 
so you don't have to use as many discs to keep it up to date. This way 
it is complaint with your IA group and easier to maintain.



Military jargon is no different than financial jargon or computer 
jargon. If you don't understand it, there shouldn't be a need to 
persecute those who do. It isn't a conducive way to facilitate a 
community, and I take it that is what this list is supposed to be, 
since the list is labeled as: "Community assistance, encouragement, 
and advice for using Fedora".


Regards,
Seann

I concur.  Well spoken.

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Re: Classified Updates2

[Seann Clark]

Levesque, Michael wrote:


I just put a fresh install of Fedora 10 on a classified machine on a 
closed network. Is there a way that I can bring updates into the area 
since I can’t use yum?


Best way to do it is get a list of packages to be updated (run yum on an 
unclassified machine and get the package list) and download the RPM's 
for those, either manually or using YUM. Then burn them to CD or DVD



Next time you should do a fresh install on an Unclass system, get it 
updated, get it moved into your Secure location, and maintain it from 
there. I recommend using a more stable life cycle distro than Fedora so 
you don't have to use as many discs to keep it up to date. This way it 
is complaint with your IA group and easier to maintain.



Military jargon is no different than financial jargon or computer 
jargon. If you don't understand it, there shouldn't be a need to 
persecute those who do. It isn't a conducive way to facilitate a 
community, and I take it that is what this list is supposed to be, since 
the list is labeled as: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice 
for using Fedora".




Regards,
Seann






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RE: Classified Updates2

[Levesque, Michael]

First off.. you should probably lock the attitude up. No one needs to be 
witness to your projecting middle-of-the-week blues onto others.

Second.. thanks for the answers. I got what I needed.


-Original Message-
From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On 
Behalf Of Tim
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:12 PM
To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora.
Subject: Re: Classified Updates2

On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 11:57 -0400, Levesque, Michael wrote:
> I just put a fresh install of Fedora 10 on a classified machine
> on a closed network. 

Classified as *what*?  Gawd but I hate that term, it says nothing.
*EVERYTHING* is classified (terms like that are stupid, donkeys are
animals, this email is public, etc., etc., etc.).  The word "classified"
is *NOT* a description.

If the machine is one that must be kept in a particular, and known,
state, then you can't update it willy nilly, and must only install
pre-approved updates.

Your question is next to impossible to answer without adequate
information.

> Is there a way that I can bring updates into the area since I can’t
> use yum?
> 
Yes.

  * Run a second machine with the same packages installed, whenever
it pulls in an updated package, copy the downloaded files and
install the same packages on your other machine (via local
network, disc, etc.).
  * Mirror an updates repo, do your updates from it as your local
repo.
  * Manually download new updates, local install them.
  * Other options, too.

This email is classified.  The classification is public.

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Re: Need help with Reboot cause

[Peter J. Stieber]

PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> This is going to sound vague, but here goes...
PS>>
PS>> I have a dual opteron system that has been acting as the
PS>> worldly node for a small cluster of computers since
PS>> September, 2004.  The machine is running the latest
PS>> x86_64 Fedora 10 kernel that I recently loaded (April
PS>> 2).  The machine reboots without warning.  I can't find
PS>> the cause in log files (maybe I'm not looking in the
PS>> correct log).
PS>>
PS>> I'm currently running memtest.  If all of the tests pass,
PS>> could the community suggest other diagnostic tasks or
PS>> information I could post to help diagnose the problem?
PS>>
PS>> I wish I could be more specific,

AW = Anne Wilson
AW> I'd tend to put my money on the PSU.  Do you have a spare
AW> one that you can try?

No, but that would be a good guess.  Maybe I'll see if I can order a 
spare.  Anyone have a way of testing this without a spare?


Thanks Anne,
Pete


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Re: Apache Config - how to make a directory accessable ?

[Kevin Kempter]

On Tuesday 07 April 2009 13:24:00 Uwe Kiewel wrote:
> Kevin Kempter wrote:
> > Hi All;
> >
> >
> > I have a laptop running Fedora10 x86_64.
> >
> > I started the default config and I can go to http://localhost and I see
> > the expected Fedora Test Page.
> >
> > I want to install a web site in /stage/webpages/csweb (/stage is a
> > separate file system) so I did this:
> >
> > 1) I checked to make sure the httpd.conf file was including the conf.d/*
> > files with this line in the httpd.conf file:
> >
> > Include conf.d/*.conf
> >
> >
> > 2) I added this file (named csweb.conf) to the /etc/httpd/conf.d
> > directory:
> >
> > #
> > # Setup directory: /stage/webpages/csweb
>
> Is that directory readable by the webserver? In that case I talk about
> file system permissions.
>
>
> THT,
>   Uwe

Here's the file system perms:

/stage:
(ls -l / | grep stage)
drwxrwxrwx  18 root root   4096 2009-04-07 10:45 stage

/stage/webpages
(ls -l /stage | grep webpages)
drwxrwxr-x  4 kkempter kkempter   4096 2009-04-07 10:46 webpages

/stage/webpages/csweb
(ls -l /stage/webpages | grep csweb)
drwxrwxr-x 17 kkempter kkempter 4096 2009-04-07 12:41 csweb




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Re: Fedora and Dell Vostro

[m]

On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 02:12:08PM -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> Frank Cox wrote:
> > On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:58:35 -0400
> > m wrote:
> > 
> >> Vostro 1500 works fine wth F10 , i had to opt for the intel wireless 
> >> otherwise they shipped broadcom(no thank you).  Also had to nuke XP (kinda 
> >> fun actually) but beware the "media direct button"(i think its called) it 
> >> will hose your install.
> > 
> > There is actually a button on the keyboard(?) that will cause the laptop to
> > stop working?  And you can't disable that?
> > 
> > Really?
> > 
> > That alone would be a darn good reason to stay far far away from the 
> > thing
> > 
> If the button does what the one I have on my Toshiba, it boots from
> a special partition on the drive. This normally loads a media player
> that works without Windows. I have never checked to see if the
> location was "hard-wired" into the BIOS, but I could see it causing
> problems if it is. You would never know what code was going to be
> run if you deleted the partition. I am not sure what error checking
> is done. I am not going to delete it and find out - I like being to
> use the laptop as a DVD/CD player without having to boot a "normal" OS.
> 
> I have also heard of laptops that have a button that will restore
> the OS from a recovery partition, but they normally require you to
> confirm that this is what you want to do.
> 
I don't remember all the details of what its supposed to do, only that it 
killed an innocent werewolf(F8). I think the confirmation mechanism was 
designed to work with windows only, i formatted the drive before use but this 
was apparently in a ROM or something because as soon as it got pressed the 
floor fell out from under me.It formatted and overwrote sections of the drive. 
I heard that Dell was going to fix this thing but i don't know that they ever 
did.  

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Re: Fedora and Dell Vostro

[m]

On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 12:45:27PM -0600, Frank Cox wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:58:35 -0400
> m wrote:
> 
> > Vostro 1500 works fine wth F10 , i had to opt for the intel wireless 
> > otherwise they shipped broadcom(no thank you).  Also had to nuke XP (kinda 
> > fun actually) but beware the "media direct button"(i think its called) it 
> > will hose your install.
> 
> There is actually a button on the keyboard(?) that will cause the laptop to
> stop working?  And you can't disable that?
> 
> Really?
I was unaware of what it did until it was to late. I know better than too look 
at it now. The laptop will work fine but it will hose the install, somethng to 
do with reinstalling windows if i remember it right. If the default xp had been 
on there it probably wouldn't have been a problem.
> 
> That alone would be a darn good reason to stay far far away from the thing
> 
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Re: Fedora10 and Cricket Wireless Service

[g]

Linux Media wrote:

>  Is it "plug and play"?

it is pnp msbsos. look at;
http://www.mycricket.com/broadband/

> Does it take a guru to  get it working?

also look at;
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Re: Need help with Reboot cause

[m]

On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 06:50:59PM +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Tuesday 07 April 2009 17:35:15 Peter J. Stieber wrote:
> > This is going to sound vague, but here goes...
> >
> > I have a dual opteron system that has been acting as the worldly node
> > for a small cluster of computers since September, 2004.  The machine is
> > running the latest x86_64 Fedora 10 kernel that I recently loaded (April
> > 2).  The machine reboots without warning.  I can't find the cause in log
> > files (maybe I'm not looking in the correct log).
> >
> > I'm currently running memtest.  If all of the tests pass, could the
> > community suggest other diagnostic tasks or information I could post to
> > help diagnose the problem?
> >
> > I wish I could be more specific,
> 
> I'd tend to put my money on the PSU.  Do you have a spare one that you can 
> try?
> 
An excellent point but I think he's convinced it can't be power related.

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Re: Apache Config - how to make a directory accessable ?

[Uwe Kiewel]

Kevin Kempter wrote:
> Hi All;
> 
> 
> I have a laptop running Fedora10 x86_64.
> 
> I started the default config and I can go to http://localhost and I see
> the expected Fedora Test Page.
> 
> I want to install a web site in /stage/webpages/csweb (/stage is a
> separate file system) so I did this:
> 
> 1) I checked to make sure the httpd.conf file was including the conf.d/*
> files with this line in the httpd.conf file:
> 
> Include conf.d/*.conf
> 
> 
> 2) I added this file (named csweb.conf) to the /etc/httpd/conf.d directory:
> 
> #
> # Setup directory: /stage/webpages/csweb

Is that directory readable by the webserver? In that case I talk about
file system permissions.


THT,
Uwe


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Re: Fedora and Dell Vostro

[Kevin Kofler]

Gary Stainburn wrote:
> Work's finally looking to get me a new laptop.  Can anyone tell me how
> they find Dell Vostro laptops with Fedora.

There are many Vostro models with vastly differing hardware configurations,
you'll have to be more specific.

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Re: Fedora and Dell Vostro

[Frank Cox]

On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:58:35 -0400
m wrote:

> Vostro 1500 works fine wth F10 , i had to opt for the intel wireless 
> otherwise they shipped broadcom(no thank you).  Also had to nuke XP (kinda 
> fun actually) but beware the "media direct button"(i think its called) it 
> will hose your install.

There is actually a button on the keyboard(?) that will cause the laptop to
stop working?  And you can't disable that?

Really?

That alone would be a darn good reason to stay far far away from the thing

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Re: Screensavers fighting

[g]

Beartooth wrote:
>   For the last several releases, up to and including F10, I've been 
> running xscreensaver exclusively, and wouldn't even install gnome-
> screensaver except that xscreensaver demands it.

screensaver is a misnomer.

intent of a screensaver is to keep from burning an image into phosphor, while 
in process,
it is still burning phosphor.

if you really want to save your screen, then use 'blank'. this will not burn 
phosphor and
give added life over what a graphic screensaver takes away.

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Re: Fedora and Dell Vostro

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Frank Cox wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:58:35 -0400
> m wrote:
> 
>> Vostro 1500 works fine wth F10 , i had to opt for the intel wireless 
>> otherwise they shipped broadcom(no thank you).  Also had to nuke XP (kinda 
>> fun actually) but beware the "media direct button"(i think its called) it 
>> will hose your install.
> 
> There is actually a button on the keyboard(?) that will cause the laptop to
> stop working?  And you can't disable that?
> 
> Really?
> 
> That alone would be a darn good reason to stay far far away from the thing
> 
If the button does what the one I have on my Toshiba, it boots from
a special partition on the drive. This normally loads a media player
that works without Windows. I have never checked to see if the
location was "hard-wired" into the BIOS, but I could see it causing
problems if it is. You would never know what code was going to be
run if you deleted the partition. I am not sure what error checking
is done. I am not going to delete it and find out - I like being to
use the laptop as a DVD/CD player without having to boot a "normal" OS.

I have also heard of laptops that have a button that will restore
the OS from a recovery partition, but they normally require you to
confirm that this is what you want to do.

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Fedora10 and Cricket Wireless Service

[Linux Media]

Hi,

I'm here in Tucson Arizona and the Cricket dealers offer wireless 
internet service for the laptop via a Cricket Broadband USB Modem. Is 
anyone using this service? Is it "plug and play"? Does it take a guru to 
get it working?


Thanks,
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Re: dbus vs bluetooth, dbus denies all bt actions. WTH?

[Kevin Kofler]

Gene Heskett wrote:
> Subject says it all, anything/everything in the bluez-4.34/test directory
> is being denied by dbus.
[snip]
> How can I fix this?

File a bug.

And as you appear to use Rawhide, please use the fedora-test-list next time.
Stable Fedora releases have a permissive D-Bus, so this bug should only
happen in Rawhide. And BlueZ 4.34 is also only in Rawhide at the moment.

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Re: Editor to program in C

[Armin]

On Tuesday 07 April 2009 08:45:23 Jerry Feldman wrote:
> On 04/04/2009 06:56 AM, Paul Smith wrote:
> > Dear All,
> >
> > I am starting to learn how to program in C, and I am looking for a
> > proper editor for that. Do you recommend Kate to me? Or is there
> > something better?
>
> Time for me to chime in. I have been using EMACs for C and C++
> development for 25 years, and vi even longer. While there are other good
> editors, I specifically like emacs (and xemacs) because it innately
> knows about make and source control. I work on a system that has over 1
> million lines of code (mostly C++).  Note only is there syntax coloring,
> but it matches parentheses and curly braces. It also can be set for
> automatic indentation (K&R style is the default). Additionally, emacs
> supports multiple windows. You can have them line up horizontally or
> vertically. Normally, when I do a compile, the compilation results are
> displayed in a windows. In addition, the dired feature sets emacs to
> behave like a file manager. Additionally, I routinely to finds and
> greps. Yes, emacs is not easy to lean, but it is extremely rich, has
> modes for most computer languages as well as HTML and XML. While I
> certainly am set in my ways, I could not practice my profession as a
> software engineer without emacs. But, I don't want to belittle vi and
> vim. I use vi especially when accessing files on a non-local server.

I also has a speedbar which has helped me work on many files at once.

You can download Emacs 23.0 (development version, but pretty fonts!) from 
here:

http://rpm.bradmwalker.com/

add the repository (download and install bmw-release-1-1.fc10.noarch.rpm) and 
install emacs:

$ yum install emacs

and run it:

$ emacs

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Apache Config - how to make a directory accessable ?

[Kevin Kempter]

Hi All;

I have a laptop running Fedora10 x86_64.

I started the default config and I can go to http://localhost and I see the 
expected Fedora Test Page.

I want to install a web site in /stage/webpages/csweb (/stage is a separate 
file system) so I did this:

1) I checked to make sure the httpd.conf file was including the conf.d/* files 
with this line in the httpd.conf file:

Include conf.d/*.conf


2) I added this file (named csweb.conf) to the /etc/httpd/conf.d directory:
 

#
# Setup directory:  /stage/webpages/csweb
#
AliasMatch ^/csweb(?:/(?:de|en|fr|ja|ko|ru))?(/.*)?$ "/stage/webpages/csweb$1"


Options Indexes
AllowOverride None
Order allow,deny
Allow from all



I restarted apache (service httpd restart) and I go to 
"http://localhost/csweb"; and I get this:


Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /csweb on this server



Thoughts ?

Thanks in advance





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RE: Classified Updates2

[Tim]

On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 14:27 -0400, Levesque, Michael wrote:
> First off.. you should probably lock the attitude up. No one needs to
> be witness to your projecting middle-of-the-week blues onto others.

If you're going to put military unintelligence idiot-speak in your
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Re: Need help with Reboot cause

[m]

On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 11:07:12AM -0700, Peter J. Stieber wrote:
> PS = Pete Stieber
> PS>> This is going to sound vague, but here goes...
> PS>>
> PS>> I have a dual opteron system that has been acting as the
> PS>> worldly node for a small cluster of computers since
> PS>> September, 2004.  The machine is running the latest
> PS>> x86_64 Fedora 10 kernel that I recently loaded (April
> PS>> 2).  The machine reboots without warning.  I can't find
> PS>> the cause in log files (maybe I'm not looking in the
> PS>> correct log).
> PS>>
> PS>> I'm currently running memtest.  If all of the tests pass,
> PS>> could the community suggest other diagnostic tasks or
> PS>> information I could post to help diagnose the problem?
> PS>>
> PS>> I wish I could be more specific,
>
> AW = Anne Wilson
> AW> I'd tend to put my money on the PSU.  Do you have a spare
> AW> one that you can try?
>
> No, but that would be a good guess.  Maybe I'll see if I can order a  
> spare.  Anyone have a way of testing this without a spare?

They sell testers for PSU or you could use a voltmeter but these methods can 
leave room for doubt,  under a load is best and I don't know of an inexpensive 
tool that will do that so the best thing is just to swap it out.
>
> Thanks Anne,
> Pete
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RE: Classified Updates2

[Levesque, Michael]

Classy. Hope your week gets better Tim.

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On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 14:27 -0400, Levesque, Michael wrote:
> First off.. you should probably lock the attitude up. No one needs to
> be witness to your projecting middle-of-the-week blues onto others.

If you're going to put military unintelligence idiot-speak in your
messages (it's 'classified') then expect to be taken to task about it.
Seriously, it's moron language, morons need stamping out.

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Re: Fedora and Dell Vostro

[Kevin Kofler]

Paul W. Frields wrote:
> Actually, we've made good strides for support in the "radeon" and
> "nouveau" (ATI and Nvidia, respectively) open source drivers for Xorg
> lately, which will be appearing in Fedora 11.

But neither of those improvements include OpenGL (3D, desktop effects etc.)
support.

Radeons still only have 3D up to the r5xx series (r6xx and above not
supported) and Nvidia's stuff still has no working 3D support at all.

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Re: help with openvpn config

[Kevin Kofler]

Kevin Kempter wrote:
> 1) where do I stage these files

Somewhere in your home directory, doesn't really matter where.

> 2) how do I setup the openvpn connection ?

Use the NetworkManager applet (the GTK+/GNOME one which is installed by
default - both knetworkmanager and kde-plasma-networkmanagement are known
to have problems with VPN).

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Re: [Request] Language support packages not installed by default

[Tim]

On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 17:56 +, Beartooth wrote:
> It ought not to be all that hard to get a list of languages by 
> number of computer users. Given that, surely one could include only
> the top five (including or excluding English), plus directions in each
> saying how to get the rest.

It's really only the installer that needs to have multi-lingual support
right from the get-go, to ask you what languages to use.  An installed
system only needs the languages that you actually need.


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Re: Fedora and Dell Vostro

[Craig White]

On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 14:23 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 10:35:30AM -0700, Konstantin Svist wrote:
> > Gary Stainburn wrote:
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > Work's finally looking to get me a new laptop.  Can anyone tell me how 
> > > they 
> > > find Dell Vostro laptops with Fedora.
> > >

> > I think Dell only sells Ubuntu on consumer machines. If you want Fedora,
> > you'll need to install it yourself.
> > If you go that way, try to get one with intel or amd/ati video chipset -
> > nvidia is not well supported by open drivers. Other than that, pretty
> > much everything else is supported.
> 
> Actually, we've made good strides for support in the "radeon" and
> "nouveau" (ATI and Nvidia, respectively) open source drivers for Xorg
> lately, which will be appearing in Fedora 11.

now if we could get xrandr up to 1.3 (I think it's still hanging at
1.2.3), I could conceivably get virtual scrolling back.

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Re: Screensavers fighting

[Frank Cox]

On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 18:11:25 + (UTC)
Beartooth wrote:

>   For the last several releases, up to and including F10, I've been 
> running xscreensaver exclusively, and wouldn't even install gnome-
> screensaver except that xscreensaver demands it.

xscreensaver doesn't require gnome-screensaver.

[frank...@mutt ~]$ rpm -qa | grep screensaver
xscreensaver-base-5.08-5.fc10.x86_64
xscreensaver-gl-base-5.08-5.fc10.x86_64
xscreensaver-gl-extras-5.08-5.fc10.x86_64
xscreensaver-extras-5.08-5.fc10.x86_64
[frank...@mutt ~]$ 

You would be much better off to install either gnome-screensaver or
xscreensaver and leave it at that.  I don't think they are intended to work
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Re: initdefault has no effect

[Kevin Kofler]

Mike Burger wrote:
> Fair enough, if that is to be the end product...but if you want to test
> something, and don't want to litter the system with dozens of backup
> inittab files and the like, commenting a line is quicker than fully
> editing it in and out.

I don't understand this at all. It's a single character to change. Just do
the change.

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Re: Fedora and Dell Vostro

[Paul W. Frields]

On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 10:35:30AM -0700, Konstantin Svist wrote:
> Gary Stainburn wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > Work's finally looking to get me a new laptop.  Can anyone tell me how they 
> > find Dell Vostro laptops with Fedora.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Gary
> >   
> 
> I think Dell only sells Ubuntu on consumer machines. If you want Fedora,
> you'll need to install it yourself.
> If you go that way, try to get one with intel or amd/ati video chipset -
> nvidia is not well supported by open drivers. Other than that, pretty
> much everything else is supported.

Actually, we've made good strides for support in the "radeon" and
"nouveau" (ATI and Nvidia, respectively) open source drivers for Xorg
lately, which will be appearing in Fedora 11.

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Screensavers fighting

[Beartooth]

For the last several releases, up to and including F10, I've been 
running xscreensaver exclusively, and wouldn't even install gnome-
screensaver except that xscreensaver demands it.

Usually, though, unwelcome things begin happening, particularly 
as to power-saving features -- often, for instance, I come down in the 
morning to find my email still up, and visible from across two rooms, 
from twelve to sixteen hours before.

Whenever that happens and I click on my screensaver launcher, 
invariably I get a popup saying the gnomescreensaver daemon (I think it 
is) is running, and asking whether to shut it off -- followed by another 
saying the xscreensaver daemon is not, and asking whether to start it.

I always say yes to both, and the screen behaves again for some 
days; then it goes back to its misbehavior.

Do I have some setting set wrong??


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Re: Need help with Reboot cause

[m]

On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 10:41:43AM -0700, Peter J. Stieber wrote:
> PS = Pete Stieber
> PS>> I have a dual opteron system that has been acting as
> PS>> the worldly node for a small cluster of computers
> PS>> since September, 2004.  The machine is running the
> PS>> latest x86_64 Fedora 10 kernel that I recently loaded
> PS>> (April 2).  The machine reboots without warning.  I
> PS>> can't find the cause in log files (maybe I'm not
> PS>> looking in the correct log).
> PS>>
> PS>> I'm currently running memtest.  If all of the tests
> PS>> pass, could the community suggest other diagnostic
> PS>> tasks or information I could post to help diagnose the
> PS>> problem?
>
> m> Have you tried going back to the previous kernel?
>
> The machine is still running memtest (no errors so far), but I already  
> removed the prior kernel.  I did notice reboots with the prior kernel.  
> BTW my current kernel is 2.6.27.21-170.2.56.fc10.x86_64.
>
If it reboots with prior kernels then i would do a thorough check of the 
hardware first but you may look for known issues reported against your 
particular hardware setup, since it may be a known issue

> Reboots indicated by information in /var/log/messages...
>
> SundayMarch 29   4:08
> Tuesday   March 31   7:02
> Thursday  April  2  18:27 Intentional reboot due to new kernel
> FridayApril  3   1:36
> SundayApril  5   1:37
> SundayApril  5   2:48
> SundayApril  5   9:43
> SundayApril  5  13:20 as I was typing this email
>
> m> Did you check dmesg and /var/log/messages?
>
> Yes.  I can see reboots, but not the cause.
>
> m> Does it boot normally and then just fail at some random
> m> interval or is it consistently failing at the same point?
>
> I have had top running during a few of the reboots.  I have forced a  
> couple of them by starting my nightly build process.  The linker/loader  
> has been running during some of the reboots...

>
> top - 13:19:53 up  3:36,  6 users,  load average: 1.27, 2.70, 2.32
> Tasks: 138 total,   6 running, 132 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
> Cpu(s): 40.8%us, 13.8%sy,  0.0%ni, 42.5%id,  2.7%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.3%si,  
> 0.0%st
> Mem:   2060232k total,  1683996k used,   376236k free,   164484k buffers
> Swap:  2031608k total,   56k used,  2031552k free,  1230796k cached
>
>   PID USER  PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+  COMMAND
>  8878 pstieber  20   0 34552  25m 1096 R  7.6  1.3   0:00.23 ld
>  8884 pstieber  20   0 48284  27m 1080 R  5.0  1.4   0:00.15 ld
> 7 root  15  -5 000 S  0.3  0.0   0:00.17 ksoftirqd/1
> 22427 pstieber  20   0 14880 1208  872 R  0.3  0.1   0:03.49 top
> 1 root  20   0  4096  876  616 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.71 init
>
> Another instance
>
> top - 06:55:13 up 17:34,  2 users,  load average: 2.83, 2.59, 1.86
> Tasks: 127 total,   2 running, 125 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
> Cpu(s): 45.1%us,  4.7%sy,  0.0%ni, 49.8%id,  0.5%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  
> 0.0%st
> Mem:   2060232k total,  1763404k used,   296828k free,   177052k buffers
> Swap:  2031608k total,   56k used,  2031552k free,  1271964k cached
>
>   PID USER  PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+  COMMAND
>  5757 pstieber  20   0 79788  69m 1080 R 12.3  3.5   0:00.37 ld
> 1 root  20   0  4096  876  616 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.68 init
> 2 root  15  -5 000 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 kthreadd
>
> I'm not sure this is always the case.
>
Might be worth finding out...

> m> Other things you may consider:
> m> CPU type?
>
> Motherboard: Tyan Thunder K8W (S2885ANRF)
> CPUs: Dual Opteron 244 (1.8 GHz) processors
> Memory: 2 GB   4-512MB  CT6472Y40B  DDR PC3200 from Crucial
>
> m> temperature?
>
> Is there a command to monitor this while running the OS?

there is a gnome widget for this or there was and it required some 
configuration...from the CLI i am not sure how to go about it but usually the 
BIOS has the temp and this will be good enough to start with
>
> m> potential hard drive issue?
>
> I have 3 SATA drives running.  It's been so long since I have done this,  
> but how does one manually do a disk chack?
>

 I think you would do better with a dedicated hard drive test like Hitachi 
makes available, but i am forgetting about smartctl!! Still two sets of 
independent results are better than one so maybe do both if you have the time. 
I usually start with hitachi (works with non hitachi drives) and if that passes 
I move on to try other things but fsck first.

man fsck
man smartctl
> m> any new hardware attached or installed recently?
>
> No
>
> m> Notice any power surges or brownouts?
>
> The machine is on a UPS that deals with this.
>
> m> any other nodes having issues?
>
> No and they are not on UPSs.  They also do not have as large of a work load.
>
> The machine in question is used for nightly builds and regression tests.  
>  I use distcc with the compute nodes to perform the builds.
>
> The machine also runs samba to provide a network share to Windows users  
> and 

Re: Compare iso to burned CD\DVD? Fedora 10

[D. Hugh Redelmeier]

| From: "Frank Murphy (Frankly3D)" 

| The one thing I can't find is how to compare
| the downloaded iso to the Burned media.
| Google on compare iso to cd(dvd)
| just brings up proprietry efforts.
| 
| Can someone supply the cli for this?
| I think:
| diff /path to iso -o loop  /path to/dvd ?

The simple command would be cmp:
cmp file.iso /dev/cdrom
Of course you need to adjust those paths according to your system.

One problem with this is that the raw cd read may not yield EOF at the
exact end of what was burned.  So you need to limit the cmp to the
correct length.

What is that length?
isosize file.iso
will tell you the number of bytes.

Then you can tell cmp:
cmp --bytes=`isosize file.iso` file.iso /dev/cdrom

There is still a problem with some drives combined with some kernels
generating spurious I/O errors because they read ahead beyond the
burned part of the medium.  I'll leave that issue alone this time.

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Re: Fedora and Dell Vostro

[m]

On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 10:35:30AM -0700, Konstantin Svist wrote:
> Gary Stainburn wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > Work's finally looking to get me a new laptop.  Can anyone tell me how they 
> > find Dell Vostro laptops with Fedora.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Gary
> >   
> 
> I think Dell only sells Ubuntu on consumer machines. If you want Fedora,
> you'll need to install it yourself.
> If you go that way, try to get one with intel or amd/ati video chipset -
> nvidia is not well supported by open drivers. Other than that, pretty
> much everything else is supported.
>
Vostro 1500 works fine wth F10 , i had to opt for the intel wireless otherwise 
they shipped broadcom(no thank you).  Also had to nuke XP (kinda fun actually) 
but beware the "media direct button"(i think its called) it will hose your 
install.
 
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Re: [Request] Language support packages not installed by default

[Beartooth]

On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 12:14:57 +0300, Code Dash wrote:

> Under "Package collections" in Add/Remove, there are tooo many language
> packages installed by default. Most of us need english and the native
> laguage, if its not english. Why have in my clean install system "Arabic
> support", "Armenian Support" etc? Since i choose english in the
> beginning of install that should only be installed. If i want another or
> all the languages i can add them with some clicks. I d like my request
> to be accepted, or explain to me if i miss something.

Please discipline your mailer or newsreader to eschew html.

I concur with the content, and have a suggestion. 

It ought not to be all that hard to get a list of languages by 
number of computer users. Given that, surely one could include only the 
top five (including or excluding English), plus directions in each saying 
how to get the rest.

There are certainly monolingual users in North America, alas!; 
but they should be pretty well taken care of by the default to English. 

Elsewhere, people learn others in school if not before -- and the 
less widespread their own language, the more others they learn.

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Re: Need help with Reboot cause

[Anne Wilson]

On Tuesday 07 April 2009 17:35:15 Peter J. Stieber wrote:
> This is going to sound vague, but here goes...
>
> I have a dual opteron system that has been acting as the worldly node
> for a small cluster of computers since September, 2004.  The machine is
> running the latest x86_64 Fedora 10 kernel that I recently loaded (April
> 2).  The machine reboots without warning.  I can't find the cause in log
> files (maybe I'm not looking in the correct log).
>
> I'm currently running memtest.  If all of the tests pass, could the
> community suggest other diagnostic tasks or information I could post to
> help diagnose the problem?
>
> I wish I could be more specific,

I'd tend to put my money on the PSU.  Do you have a spare one that you can 
try?

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Re: initdefault has no effect

[D. Hugh Redelmeier]

| From: "Sharpe, Sam J" 

| runlevel=$(/bin/awk -F ':' '($3 == "initdefault") && ($1 !~ /(#|;)/) { print 
$2 }' /etc/inittab)

Probably you meant ($1 !~ /^(#|;)/)

Simpler, I think:
  runlevel=`/bin/awk -F ':' '/^[^#;]/ && ($3 == "initdefault") { print $2 }' 
/etc/inittab`

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Re: Need help with Reboot cause

[Peter J. Stieber]

PS = Pete Stieber
PS>> I have a dual opteron system that has been acting as
PS>> the worldly node for a small cluster of computers
PS>> since September, 2004.  The machine is running the
PS>> latest x86_64 Fedora 10 kernel that I recently loaded
PS>> (April 2).  The machine reboots without warning.  I
PS>> can't find the cause in log files (maybe I'm not
PS>> looking in the correct log).
PS>>
PS>> I'm currently running memtest.  If all of the tests
PS>> pass, could the community suggest other diagnostic
PS>> tasks or information I could post to help diagnose the
PS>> problem?

m> Have you tried going back to the previous kernel?

The machine is still running memtest (no errors so far), but I already 
removed the prior kernel.  I did notice reboots with the prior kernel. 
BTW my current kernel is 2.6.27.21-170.2.56.fc10.x86_64.


Reboots indicated by information in /var/log/messages...

SundayMarch 29   4:08
Tuesday   March 31   7:02
Thursday  April  2  18:27 Intentional reboot due to new kernel
FridayApril  3   1:36
SundayApril  5   1:37
SundayApril  5   2:48
SundayApril  5   9:43
SundayApril  5  13:20 as I was typing this email

m> Did you check dmesg and /var/log/messages?

Yes.  I can see reboots, but not the cause.

m> Does it boot normally and then just fail at some random
m> interval or is it consistently failing at the same point?

I have had top running during a few of the reboots.  I have forced a 
couple of them by starting my nightly build process.  The linker/loader 
has been running during some of the reboots...


top - 13:19:53 up  3:36,  6 users,  load average: 1.27, 2.70, 2.32
Tasks: 138 total,   6 running, 132 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
Cpu(s): 40.8%us, 13.8%sy,  0.0%ni, 42.5%id,  2.7%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.3%si, 
0.0%st

Mem:   2060232k total,  1683996k used,   376236k free,   164484k buffers
Swap:  2031608k total,   56k used,  2031552k free,  1230796k cached

  PID USER  PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+  COMMAND
 8878 pstieber  20   0 34552  25m 1096 R  7.6  1.3   0:00.23 ld
 8884 pstieber  20   0 48284  27m 1080 R  5.0  1.4   0:00.15 ld
7 root  15  -5 000 S  0.3  0.0   0:00.17 ksoftirqd/1
22427 pstieber  20   0 14880 1208  872 R  0.3  0.1   0:03.49 top
1 root  20   0  4096  876  616 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.71 init

Another instance

top - 06:55:13 up 17:34,  2 users,  load average: 2.83, 2.59, 1.86
Tasks: 127 total,   2 running, 125 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
Cpu(s): 45.1%us,  4.7%sy,  0.0%ni, 49.8%id,  0.5%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si, 
0.0%st

Mem:   2060232k total,  1763404k used,   296828k free,   177052k buffers
Swap:  2031608k total,   56k used,  2031552k free,  1271964k cached

  PID USER  PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+  COMMAND
 5757 pstieber  20   0 79788  69m 1080 R 12.3  3.5   0:00.37 ld
1 root  20   0  4096  876  616 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.68 init
2 root  15  -5 000 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 kthreadd

I'm not sure this is always the case.

m> Other things you may consider:
m> CPU type?

Motherboard: Tyan Thunder K8W (S2885ANRF)
CPUs: Dual Opteron 244 (1.8 GHz) processors
Memory: 2 GB   4-512MB  CT6472Y40B  DDR PC3200 from Crucial

m> temperature?

Is there a command to monitor this while running the OS?

m> potential hard drive issue?

I have 3 SATA drives running.  It's been so long since I have done this, 
but how does one manually do a disk chack?


m> any new hardware attached or installed recently?

No

m> Notice any power surges or brownouts?

The machine is on a UPS that deals with this.

m> any other nodes having issues?

No and they are not on UPSs.  They also do not have as large of a work load.

The machine in question is used for nightly builds and regression tests. 
 I use distcc with the compute nodes to perform the builds.


The machine also runs samba to provide a network share to Windows users 
and provides authentication using Windows domain accounts.


m> Recent power surge zapped a board, DSL modem,
m> and the surge protector.

I doubt this is the problem.

Memtest make it through the first pass of all test successfully.

Thanks for the suggestions, especially considering my vague information.

Pete

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Re: Fedora and Dell Vostro

[Konstantin Svist]

Gary Stainburn wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Work's finally looking to get me a new laptop.  Can anyone tell me how they 
> find Dell Vostro laptops with Fedora.
>
> Cheers
>
> Gary
>   

I think Dell only sells Ubuntu on consumer machines. If you want Fedora,
you'll need to install it yourself.
If you go that way, try to get one with intel or amd/ati video chipset -
nvidia is not well supported by open drivers. Other than that, pretty
much everything else is supported.

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Re: initdefault has no effect

[Mike Burger]

> Mike Burger wrote:
>>
>> Again...within inittab, the # character is not a comment delimiter...the
>> ;
>> character is.
>>
>> Because the # was used, the first default line was matched, therefore
>> processing to determine the default runlevel stopped at the first
>> match...the line with the 5 in it.
>>
>> Subsequent lines, which do not contain "initdefault" are processed,
>> because they do not match the "initdefault" parameter that was matched
>> above.
> Strange - I have always been under the impression that both # and ;
> work as comment delimiters in inittab. If # is not a comment
> delimiter, then all the other comment lines that start with # should
> generate syntax errors.

As has been noted, it turns out it's nothing to do with the delimiter
being used for commenting, after all, but a scripting logic error that
ignores the fact that there's a commenting delimiter in place, at all.
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Re: Resources to learn C

[Jorge Luis]

* Frank Cox:
> On Sun, 05 Apr 2009 11:39:45 +0930
> 
> I learned to type in school on huge Underwood manual typewriters.  (I was the
> only boy in the high school typing class; I thought it would be a good skill 
> to
> learn.  Obviously, I was right.)

My ex-father in law had been in the Army during the Korean War.  He came home
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Re: Classified Updates2

[Tim]

On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 11:57 -0400, Levesque, Michael wrote:
> I just put a fresh install of Fedora 10 on a classified machine
> on a closed network. 

Classified as *what*?  Gawd but I hate that term, it says nothing.
*EVERYTHING* is classified (terms like that are stupid, donkeys are
animals, this email is public, etc., etc., etc.).  The word "classified"
is *NOT* a description.

If the machine is one that must be kept in a particular, and known,
state, then you can't update it willy nilly, and must only install
pre-approved updates.

Your question is next to impossible to answer without adequate
information.

> Is there a way that I can bring updates into the area since I can’t
> use yum?
> 
Yes.

  * Run a second machine with the same packages installed, whenever
it pulls in an updated package, copy the downloaded files and
install the same packages on your other machine (via local
network, disc, etc.).
  * Mirror an updates repo, do your updates from it as your local
repo.
  * Manually download new updates, local install them.
  * Other options, too.

This email is classified.  The classification is public.

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Re: Need help with Reboot cause

[m]

On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 09:35:15AM -0700, Peter J. Stieber wrote:
> This is going to sound vague, but here goes...
>
> I have a dual opteron system that has been acting as the worldly node  
> for a small cluster of computers since September, 2004.  The machine is  
> running the latest x86_64 Fedora 10 kernel that I recently loaded (April  
> 2).  The machine reboots without warning.  I can't find the cause in log  
> files (maybe I'm not looking in the correct log).
>
> I'm currently running memtest.  If all of the tests pass, could the  
> community suggest other diagnostic tasks or information I could post to  
> help diagnose the problem?

Have you tried going back to the previous kernel? Did you check dmesg and 
/var/log/messages? Does it boot normally and then just fail at some random 
interval or is it consistently failing at the same point?

Other things you may consider: CPU type? temperature? potential hard drive 
issue? any new hardware attached or installed recently? Notice any power surges 
or brownouts? any other nodes having issues? 

Recent power surge zapped a board, DSL modem, and the surge protector. Come on 
newegg

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Need help with Reboot cause

[Peter J. Stieber]

This is going to sound vague, but here goes...

I have a dual opteron system that has been acting as the worldly node 
for a small cluster of computers since September, 2004.  The machine is 
running the latest x86_64 Fedora 10 kernel that I recently loaded (April 
2).  The machine reboots without warning.  I can't find the cause in log 
files (maybe I'm not looking in the correct log).


I'm currently running memtest.  If all of the tests pass, could the 
community suggest other diagnostic tasks or information I could post to 
help diagnose the problem?


I wish I could be more specific,
Pete

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help with openvpn config

[Kevin Kempter]

Hi All;

I'm running Fedora 10 & KDE 4.2

I have a local untangle firewall in place for my home network firewall.

I setup the firewall as a VPN server and downloaded the openvpn config for my 
current settings.

The openvpn config (client) download contained these files in a zip file:

./untangle-vpn/
./untangle-vpn/cs.conf
./untangle-vpn/cs.ovpn

./untangle-vpn/untangle-vpn
./untangle-vpn/untangle-vpn/cs-csvpn.crt
./untangle-vpn/untangle-vpn/cs-csvpn.key
./untangle-vpn/untangle-vpn/cs-ca.crt


So here's my question:

1) where do I stage these files
2) how do I setup the openvpn connection ?


Thanks in advance

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Re: Firefox default problem -

[paul s]

hi -

i don't do it this way... i have cleared all my associations in Firefox 
and Thunderbird since nothing ever seems to work all the time...


cp /usr/share/applications/defaults.list ~/.local/share/applications

and changed all the types there to map to my preferred applications... 
anything gtk seems to use this list in kde...


seems to work without a hitch... it will be available here for a bit...

http://queuemail.com/defaults.list

cheers
paul


On 04/06/2009 04:57 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:

Tim wrote:

On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 13:05 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
 

I accidentally typed "VNC" when I meant "VLC" when Thunderbird asked
me how to open a .wmv file and to make matters worse I clicked on the
box to always do that!

Now I can't find how to undo that selection.



Does Thunderbird have a mimeTypes.rdf file in your profile, like Firefox
has?  If so, you could modify the action for wmv, manually.  Ensure the
program is not running at all while you do this.

Firefox's:  ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/mimeTypes.rdf

  
In /home/bobg/.thunderbird/inggc4ck.default/mimeTypes  I changed vnc to 
vlc on two lines which then caused it to once more ask me what 
application I wanted to use!


RDF:about="urn:mimetype:externalApplication:video/x-ms-wmv" 

NC:path="/usr/bin/vlc"  

NC:prettyName="vlc"
And that fixes the problem, I selected vlc and the file played.


Thanks for the help.

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Re: Fedora 10, kickstart install (booted netinst image CD) - cannot eject CD during install

[Peter Schwenk]

On Apr 7, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:


On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 11:00:50AM -0400, Peter Schwenk wrote:

Hello:

Let me start with some background to the problem.  I'm performing
kickstart installations by booting the system with a CD made from  
the F10
netinst ISO.  My installation RPMs are stored on an NFS server.   
I've got

the updates repository being served up by an HTTP server.

Now for the problem...  With previous versions of Fedora (and other  
Red
Hat-related distros, like CentOS), I was able to push the eject  
button on

the CD drive DURING THE INSTALLATION and get my boot CD out of the
machine.  This was handy because I could start the installation,  
get my CD
back and walk away from the machine.  Now, with Fedora 10, I am  
unable to
get my CD out of the drive during the installation.  It is a minor  
hassle

to have to come back later to retrieve my CD.  Plus, if I want to
kickstart install multiple machines at once, I have to have many  
copies of

the boot CD.

Setting up a PXE boot scenario is not a good solution because I do  
not

have control over the campus' DHCP service.

Does anyone know how to eject a boot CD during a kickstart install?
Thanks in advance for your help.


You can still eject the disc right after both the kernel and the
initrd image load, while the kernel messages are starting to spill
out.  After that, I believe the second-stage image is loaded from the
disc once it's detected.


Thanks!  That's the information I was looking for.  I've always  
wondered how early in the boot process I was allowed to remove the CD.


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dbus vs bluetooth, dbus denies all bt actions. WTH?

[Gene Heskett]

Subject says it all, anything/everything in the bluez-4.34/test directory is 
being denied by dbus.

[r...@coyote test]# ./test-device 11:11:11:11:11:11
ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on :1.67:/: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: 
org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: A security policy in place prevents 
this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus 
configuration file (rejected message had interface 
"org.freedesktop.DBus.Introspectable" member "Introspect" error name "(unset)" 
destination ":1.67")
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./test-device", line 11, in 
adapter = dbus.Interface(bus.get_object("org.bluez", 
manager.DefaultAdapter()),
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py", line 68, in 
__call__
return self._proxy_method(*args, **keywords)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py", line 140, in 
__call__
**keywords)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/connection.py", line 630, in 
call_blocking
message, timeout)
dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: A 
security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to 
this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had 
interface "org.bluez.Manager" member "DefaultAdapter" error name "(unset)" 
destination ":1.67")
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How can I fix this?

TIA.

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Classified Updates2

[Levesque, Michael]

I just put a fresh install of Fedora 10 on a classified machine on a closed 
network. Is there a way that I can bring updates into the area since I can't 
use yum?
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Re: Dual monitors KDE 4.2 - no panel, no keyboard focus

[mike1993]

same story here.
KDE - working screen 0 and just a background on screen 1 and no ability to do 
anything on screen 1.

running under Gnome works as expected - separate X screens.
 # nvidia-settings: X configuration file generated by nvidia-settings # 
nvidia-settings:  version 1.0  (buildmeis...@builder62)  Thu Feb  5 00:09:30 
PST 2009 # Xorg configuration created by livna-config-display Section 
"ServerLayout" Identifier "Layout0" Screen  0  "Screen0" 0 0
 Screen  1  "Screen1" RightOf "Screen0" InputDevice"Keyboard0" 
"CoreKeyboard" InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer" EndSection Section 
"Files" #FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/default/Type1" ModulePath
  "/usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/nvidia" ModulePath  
"/usr/lib64/xorg/modules" FontPath"catalogue:/etc/X11/fontpath.d"   
  FontPath"built-ins" EndSection Section "Module" Load   
"dbe" Load   "extmod" Load   "freetype" Load
   "glx" Load   "type1" EndSection Section "ServerFlags" Option 
"Xinerama" "0" Option "AIGLX" "on" EndSection Section "!
 InputDevice" # generated from
default Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option   
  "Protocol" "auto" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option
 "Emulate3Buttons" "no" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection 
Section "InputDevice" # generated from data in "/etc/sysconfig/keyboard"
 Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" Option 
"XkbLayout" "us" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" EndSection Section 
"Monitor" # HorizSync source: edid, VertRefresh source: edid Identifier 
"Monitor0" VendorName "Unknown" ModelName  "LG L1953TX" 
HorizSync   30.0 - 71.0 VertRefresh 56.0 - 75.0 Option 
"DPMS" EndSection Section "Monitor" # HorizSync source: edid, VertRefresh 
source: edid Identifier "Monitor1" VendorName "Unknown" 
ModelName  "LG L1953TX" HorizSync   30.0 - 71.0 VertRefresh 
56.0 - 75.0 Option "DPMS" EndSection Se!
 ction "Device" Identifier
"Videocard0" Driver "nvidia" VendorName "NVIDIA 
Corporation" BoardName  "GeForce 8600 GT" BusID  
"PCI:1:0:0" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard1" 
Driver "nvidia" VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation" BoardName   
   "GeForce 8600 GT" BusID  "PCI:1:0:0" Screen  1 
EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Device0" Driver 
"nvidia" VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation" BoardName  "GeForce 
8600 GT" BusID  "PCI:1:0:0" Screen  0 EndSection 
Section "Device" Identifier "Device1" Driver "nvidia" 
VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation" BoardName  "GeForce 8600 GT" 
BusID  "PCI:1:0:0" Screen  1 EndSection Section "Screen"
 Identifier "Screen0" Device "Device0" Monitor
"Monitor0" DefaultDepth24 Option "TwinView" "0" Option  
   !
 "metamodes" "DFP-0:
nvidia-auto-select +0+0" SubSection "Display" Depth   24
 EndSubSection EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen1" 
Device "Device1" Monitor"Monitor1" DefaultDepth24   
  Option "TwinView" "0" Option "metamodes" "DFP-1: 
nvidia-auto-select +0+0" SubSection "Display" Depth   24
 EndSubSection EndSection Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" 
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Re: F10: KDE and second display not working

[mike1993]

This is the 1st post I found that describes exactly the problem I have.

1 Nvidia 8600GTS card, 2 LCDs. 
screen0 - fully functional,
screen1:- just a default background. no functionality whatsoever.

Under gnome, everything is as it's supposed to be.

And I have kde 4.2.1
 # nvidia-settings: X configuration file generated by nvidia-settings # 
nvidia-settings:  version 1.0  (buildmeis...@builder62)  Thu Feb  5 00:09:30 
PST 2009 # Xorg configuration created by livna-config-display Section 
"ServerLayout" Identifier "Layout0" Screen  0  "Screen0" 0 0
 Screen  1  "Screen1" RightOf "Screen0" InputDevice"Keyboard0" 
"CoreKeyboard" InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer" EndSection Section 
"Files" #FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/default/Type1" ModulePath
  "/usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/nvidia" ModulePath  
"/usr/lib64/xorg/modules" FontPath"catalogue:/etc/X11/fontpath.d"   
  FontPath"built-ins" EndSection Section "Module" Load   
"dbe" Load   "extmod" Load   "freetype" Load
   "glx" Load   "type1" EndSection Section "ServerFlags" Option 
"Xinerama" "0" Option "AIGLX" "on" EndSection Section "!
 InputDevice" # generated from
default Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option   
  "Protocol" "auto" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option
 "Emulate3Buttons" "no" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection 
Section "InputDevice" # generated from data in "/etc/sysconfig/keyboard"
 Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" Option 
"XkbLayout" "us" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" EndSection Section 
"Monitor" # HorizSync source: edid, VertRefresh source: edid Identifier 
"Monitor0" VendorName "Unknown" ModelName  "LG L1953TX" 
HorizSync   30.0 - 71.0 VertRefresh 56.0 - 75.0 Option 
"DPMS" EndSection Section "Monitor" # HorizSync source: edid, VertRefresh 
source: edid Identifier "Monitor1" VendorName "Unknown" 
ModelName  "LG L1953TX" HorizSync   30.0 - 71.0 VertRefresh 
56.0 - 75.0 Option "DPMS" EndSection Se!
 ction "Device" Identifier
"Videocard0" Driver "nvidia" VendorName "NVIDIA 
Corporation" BoardName  "GeForce 8600 GT" BusID  
"PCI:1:0:0" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard1" 
Driver "nvidia" VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation" BoardName   
   "GeForce 8600 GT" BusID  "PCI:1:0:0" Screen  1 
EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Device0" Driver 
"nvidia" VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation" BoardName  "GeForce 
8600 GT" BusID  "PCI:1:0:0" Screen  0 EndSection 
Section "Device" Identifier "Device1" Driver "nvidia" 
VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation" BoardName  "GeForce 8600 GT" 
BusID  "PCI:1:0:0" Screen  1 EndSection Section "Screen"
 Identifier "Screen0" Device "Device0" Monitor
"Monitor0" DefaultDepth24 Option "TwinView" "0" Option  
   !
 "metamodes" "DFP-0:
nvidia-auto-select +0+0" SubSection "Display" Depth   24
 EndSubSection EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen1" 
Device "Device1" Monitor"Monitor1" DefaultDepth24   
  Option "TwinView" "0" Option "metamodes" "DFP-1: 
nvidia-auto-select +0+0" SubSection "Display" Depth   24
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Re: Fedora 10, kickstart install (booted netinst image CD) - cannot eject CD during install

[Paul W. Frields]

On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 11:00:50AM -0400, Peter Schwenk wrote:
> Hello:
>
> Let me start with some background to the problem.  I'm performing  
> kickstart installations by booting the system with a CD made from the F10 
> netinst ISO.  My installation RPMs are stored on an NFS server.  I've got 
> the updates repository being served up by an HTTP server.
>
> Now for the problem...  With previous versions of Fedora (and other Red 
> Hat-related distros, like CentOS), I was able to push the eject button on 
> the CD drive DURING THE INSTALLATION and get my boot CD out of the 
> machine.  This was handy because I could start the installation, get my CD 
> back and walk away from the machine.  Now, with Fedora 10, I am unable to 
> get my CD out of the drive during the installation.  It is a minor hassle 
> to have to come back later to retrieve my CD.  Plus, if I want to 
> kickstart install multiple machines at once, I have to have many copies of 
> the boot CD.
>
> Setting up a PXE boot scenario is not a good solution because I do not  
> have control over the campus' DHCP service.
>
> Does anyone know how to eject a boot CD during a kickstart install?   
> Thanks in advance for your help.

You can still eject the disc right after both the kernel and the
initrd image load, while the kernel messages are starting to spill
out.  After that, I believe the second-stage image is loaded from the
disc once it's detected.

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Re: initdefault has no effect

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Mike Burger wrote:
> 
> Again...within inittab, the # character is not a comment delimiter...the ;
> character is.
> 
> Because the # was used, the first default line was matched, therefore
> processing to determine the default runlevel stopped at the first
> match...the line with the 5 in it.
> 
> Subsequent lines, which do not contain "initdefault" are processed,
> because they do not match the "initdefault" parameter that was matched
> above.
Strange - I have always been under the impression that both # and ;
work as comment delimiters in inittab. If # is not a comment
delimiter, then all the other comment lines that start with # should
generate syntax errors.

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Fedora 10, kickstart install (booted netinst image CD) - cannot eject CD during install

[Peter Schwenk]

Hello:

Let me start with some background to the problem.  I'm performing  
kickstart installations by booting the system with a CD made from the  
F10 netinst ISO.  My installation RPMs are stored on an NFS server.   
I've got the updates repository being served up by an HTTP server.


Now for the problem...  With previous versions of Fedora (and other  
Red Hat-related distros, like CentOS), I was able to push the eject  
button on the CD drive DURING THE INSTALLATION and get my boot CD out  
of the machine.  This was handy because I could start the  
installation, get my CD back and walk away from the machine.  Now,  
with Fedora 10, I am unable to get my CD out of the drive during the  
installation.  It is a minor hassle to have to come back later to  
retrieve my CD.  Plus, if I want to kickstart install multiple  
machines at once, I have to have many copies of the boot CD.


Setting up a PXE boot scenario is not a good solution because I do not  
have control over the campus' DHCP service.


Does anyone know how to eject a boot CD during a kickstart install?   
Thanks in advance for your help.



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Re: initdefault has no effect

[Sharpe, Sam J]

Sharpe, Sam J wrote:

Mike Burger wrote:

Tom Horsley wrote:

On Tue, 7 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0400 (EDT)
Mike Burger wrote:

 

I'm still doing some digging.



I thought there was a thread on this very topic in a previous
release, but I can't find it (maybe it was in fedora-list
rather than fedora-test-list), anyway it is a very old bug
I'm surprised is still around.

The script in the upstart code that searches /etc/inittab to
find the runlevel was not ignoring commented out lines, so
whatever line it found first, that's the one it grabbed the
runlevel from regardless of the comment prefix.
  


Bugger.

This *is* the Fedora list, BTW, rather than the fedora-test list.

However, I pop in and out of this list, given the level of traffic and 
my availability to monitor and try to answer questions (when I *think* 
that I'm actually capable of answering them), based on workload and 
travel, so it may be possible that I completely missed that thread, 
somewhere.


Since I never really noticed this in F9...the only F9 systems I had 
were my laptop and workstation, so I didn't have much reason to 
customize)...I had no reason to investigate, either.


If this is a filed bug, and you happen to have the bugzilla report ID, 
please forward.  I'll also try to dig into it and see if I can find 
it, too...I'd like to see this one squashed...or, at the very least, 
verify which script it is and see if I can figure out the logic to fix 
it.




The script concerned is /etc/event.d/rcS (and /etc/event.d/rcS-sulogin - 
both are owned by the initscripts RPM.


They do this:
runlevel=$(/bin/awk -F ':' '$3 == "initdefault" { print $2 }' /etc/inittab)

i.e. they don't ignore the line if $1 contains ; or #

They should probably do something more like:
runlevel=$(/bin/awk -F ':' '($3 == "initdefault") && ($1 !~ /(#|;)/) { 
print $2 }' /etc/inittab)


I've assumed that # and ; are comments and aren't allowed in the 
runlevel descriptions.


FWIW, Rawhide has initscripts-8.93 which either totally or partially 
fixes this bug, depending on how you consider valid comments should be 
tagged. If semicolons aren't valid comment indicators and hashes must be 
at the beginning of the line, then this (which rawhide does)nis sufficient:


runlevel=$(/bin/awk -F ':' '$3 == "initdefault" && $1 !~ "^#" { print $2 
}' /etc/inittab)


So, I guess the only question is whether this is sufficiently serious to 
qualify for an updated packages for F10 and F9?


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Re: initdefault has no effect

[Tom Horsley]

On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 08:21:54 -0400
Mike Burger wrote:

> However, I pop in and out of this list, given the level of traffic and 
> my availability to monitor and try to answer questions (when I *think* 
> that I'm actually capable of answering them), based on workload and 
> travel, so it may be possible that I completely missed that thread, 
> somewhere.

OK, I found the thread:

http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2008-June/msg00091.html

I don't see anything in that thread that indicates a bugzilla
was ever submitted though (just a comment that says one should
be submitted :-).

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Re: initdefault has no effect

[Sharpe, Sam J]

Mike Burger wrote:

Tom Horsley wrote:

On Tue, 7 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0400 (EDT)
Mike Burger wrote:

 

I'm still doing some digging.



I thought there was a thread on this very topic in a previous
release, but I can't find it (maybe it was in fedora-list
rather than fedora-test-list), anyway it is a very old bug
I'm surprised is still around.

The script in the upstart code that searches /etc/inittab to
find the runlevel was not ignoring commented out lines, so
whatever line it found first, that's the one it grabbed the
runlevel from regardless of the comment prefix.
  


Bugger.

This *is* the Fedora list, BTW, rather than the fedora-test list.

However, I pop in and out of this list, given the level of traffic and 
my availability to monitor and try to answer questions (when I *think* 
that I'm actually capable of answering them), based on workload and 
travel, so it may be possible that I completely missed that thread, 
somewhere.


Since I never really noticed this in F9...the only F9 systems I had were 
my laptop and workstation, so I didn't have much reason to 
customize)...I had no reason to investigate, either.


If this is a filed bug, and you happen to have the bugzilla report ID, 
please forward.  I'll also try to dig into it and see if I can find it, 
too...I'd like to see this one squashed...or, at the very least, verify 
which script it is and see if I can figure out the logic to fix it.




The script concerned is /etc/event.d/rcS (and /etc/event.d/rcS-sulogin - 
both are owned by the initscripts RPM.


They do this:
runlevel=$(/bin/awk -F ':' '$3 == "initdefault" { print $2 }' /etc/inittab)

i.e. they don't ignore the line if $1 contains ; or #

They should probably do something more like:
runlevel=$(/bin/awk -F ':' '($3 == "initdefault") && ($1 !~ /(#|;)/) { 
print $2 }' /etc/inittab)


I've assumed that # and ; are comments and aren't allowed in the 
runlevel descriptions.


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Re: initdefault has no effect

[Craig White]

On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 12:30 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> Mike Burger wrote:
> >> Ed Greshko wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Hummm  Bad news
> >>>
> >>> I had to test this and have in the intttab file
> >>>
> >>> #   5 - X11
> >>> #   6 - reboot (Do NOT set initdefault to this)
> >>> #
> >>> ; id:5:initdefault:
> >>> id:3:initdefault:
> >>>
> >>> And the system still comes up in run level 5.

> Yet the fact remains, ; had no more effect than #.  If you don't trust
> the test that I did, you can do it yourself in order to prove it.

I've done nothing to study the code but it seems consistent with the way
chkconfig also derives the runlevels from the initscripts. It leads to a
guess that there is just a quick & dirty type grep for the first result
and run with it.

Craig


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Re: ongoing update dependency issue involving rubygem(rake) and rubygem-hoe

[Michael Schwendt]

On Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:00:57 -0400 (EDT), Robert wrote:

> 
>   still there after at least a couple days:
> 
> --> Finished Dependency Resolution
> rubygem-hoe-1.11.0-1.fc9.noarch from updates-newkey has depsolving problems
>   --> Missing Dependency: rubygem(rake) >= 0.8.4 is needed by package 
> rubygem-hoe-1.11.0-1.fc9.noarch (updates-newkey)
> Error: Missing Dependency: rubygem(rake) >= 0.8.4 is needed by package 
> rubygem-hoe-1.11.0-1.fc9.noarch (updates-newkey)
> 

I've explained this mistake with an older reply.

Consider adding a comment here:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F9/FEDORA-2009-2793

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Re: initdefault has no effect

[Mike Burger]

Tom Horsley wrote:

On Tue, 7 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0400 (EDT)
Mike Burger wrote:

  

I'm still doing some digging.



I thought there was a thread on this very topic in a previous
release, but I can't find it (maybe it was in fedora-list
rather than fedora-test-list), anyway it is a very old bug
I'm surprised is still around.

The script in the upstart code that searches /etc/inittab to
find the runlevel was not ignoring commented out lines, so
whatever line it found first, that's the one it grabbed the
runlevel from regardless of the comment prefix.
  


Bugger.

This *is* the Fedora list, BTW, rather than the fedora-test list.

However, I pop in and out of this list, given the level of traffic and 
my availability to monitor and try to answer questions (when I *think* 
that I'm actually capable of answering them), based on workload and 
travel, so it may be possible that I completely missed that thread, 
somewhere.


Since I never really noticed this in F9...the only F9 systems I had were 
my laptop and workstation, so I didn't have much reason to 
customize)...I had no reason to investigate, either.


If this is a filed bug, and you happen to have the bugzilla report ID, 
please forward.  I'll also try to dig into it and see if I can find it, 
too...I'd like to see this one squashed...or, at the very least, verify 
which script it is and see if I can figure out the logic to fix it.
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Re: Compare iso to burned CD\DVD? Fedora 10

[Anne Wilson]

On Tuesday 07 April 2009 09:39:18 Frank Murphy (Frankly3D) wrote:
> Looking at:
> http://fedoraproject.org/en/verify
>
> The one thing I can't find is how to compare
> the downloaded iso to the Burned media.
> Google on compare iso to cd(dvd)
> just brings up proprietry efforts.
>
> Can someone supply the cli for this?
> I think:
> diff /path to iso -o loop  /path to/dvd ?
>
I do it the simple way.  You will have the md5sum, sha1sum or sha256sum of the 
download?  After burning just use

md5sum /dev/cdrom (making relevant substitutions of course)

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Re: Editor to program in C

[Jerry Feldman]

On 04/04/2009 06:56 AM, Paul Smith wrote:

Dear All,

I am starting to learn how to program in C, and I am looking for a
proper editor for that. Do you recommend Kate to me? Or is there
something better?
Time for me to chime in. I have been using EMACs for C and C++ 
development for 25 years, and vi even longer. While there are other good 
editors, I specifically like emacs (and xemacs) because it innately 
knows about make and source control. I work on a system that has over 1 
million lines of code (mostly C++).  Note only is there syntax coloring, 
but it matches parentheses and curly braces. It also can be set for 
automatic indentation (K&R style is the default). Additionally, emacs 
supports multiple windows. You can have them line up horizontally or 
vertically. Normally, when I do a compile, the compilation results are 
displayed in a windows. In addition, the dired feature sets emacs to 
behave like a file manager. Additionally, I routinely to finds and 
greps. Yes, emacs is not easy to lean, but it is extremely rich, has 
modes for most computer languages as well as HTML and XML. While I 
certainly am set in my ways, I could not practice my profession as a 
software engineer without emacs. But, I don't want to belittle vi and 
vim. I use vi especially when accessing files on a non-local server.


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