Re: input/output error on disk(?)

[charles zeitler]

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:49 PM, charles zeitler  wrote:
> thanks for the help, Tony.
> i finally checked the results of cat'ing to /dev/null,
> which found 11 troubled files. having removed them,
> am now running smartctl -t on umounted disk.
>
>>
>>    # tar -cvf - --ignore-failed-read --one-file-system / \
>>      2>/some/other/volume/tarfiles.txt | cat >/dev/null
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> --
>
second try  of smartctl -t  yielded the same results-
i may have removedfiles from 11 bad blocks-
and missed the first.

am now running the tar seq. above (fingers crossed)


>> TonyN.:'                       
>>      '                              
>>
>


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Re: bournal reviews please !?!

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 20:11:09 -0400,
  William Case  wrote:
> 
> I want a encrypted, password protected, container/file into which I can
> store things like some personal data, site passwords, and bank account
> numbers and passwords.  I am not highly secrecy oriented or paranoid so
> I don't want or need something will completely lock down my computer or
> create a new partition.  Instead I want something that will let me have
> a modicum of protection from prying eyes, yet will give me easy access
> to my data when I forget something.  It doesn't have to be large, 1 Mb
> at the very most.  I want an application that will be around for a while
> so that I am not caught without access if the world changes.  That is
> why the idea of it being a bash script is appealing.

For things like this you really need to think about who you are try to
protect the data against and what resources they will have.

Encrypting your file systems is a more transparent way (once you complete
the switch) of protecting your data from prying eyes as login as you don't
leave yourself logged in (against some sophisticated opponents getting
phsyical access with the machine powered up, suspended or having it for
a while and giving it back to you, could also be a problem). This will need a
reinstall to change over your file systems to run on encrypted block devices.
But once that is done, you only need to enter a password once when booting
and not everytime you are using sensitive data.

If you also other users on the computer setting your default protection
of files to not provide read access to others and if possible to make that
change to your home directory.

If you do things this way you don't need to remember to take special actions
each time you edit these files.

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Re: Where is the Trash? In the box with the Ambiguity?

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 10/17/2009 07:40 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> 
> It is ~/.local/share/Trash/ (at the moment, they'll probably move
> it when they find someone has discovered the location, or perhaps
> apply some sort of time of day driven spread spectrum algorithm to
> constantly rename it :-).

GNOME, KDE, Xfce etc follow the freedesktop.org Trash specification

http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/trash-spec

Rahul

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Where is the Trash? In the box with the Ambiguity?

[Tom Horsley]

No! There isn't enough room, the Ambiguity has put on weight!

Just for curiosity, does anyone have a clue why the Gnome
developers are all completely insane?

What apocalypse do they imagine would take place if they actually
allowed nautilus to provide information, like the real honest to
gosh location of the folder it is browsing? (It is spelt
trash:///, but pronounced throat-warbler mangrove).

I found the Trash by the way, but only by using strace on the
nautilus trash app while opening the trash folder :-).

It is ~/.local/share/Trash/ (at the moment, they'll probably move
it when they find someone has discovered the location, or perhaps
apply some sort of time of day driven spread spectrum algorithm to
constantly rename it :-).

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Re: GPT Partition Deletion - HELP

[Matt Domsch]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 04:00:59PM +0100, Dan Track wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> How can I delete a GPT partition upon installation. Basically
> everytime I install the OS I keep getting the following:
> 
> Filesystem type unknowm, partition type 0xee
> kernel /vmlinuz.2.6.18-128.el5 ro root=LABEL=/
> 
> error 17: Cannot mount selected partition
> 
> Press any key to continue
> 
> 
> Any ideas on this please, as I think it is related to GPT.

It is related to GPT.  You have a GPT partition table on the disk,
which has a "Protective MBR" entry of type 0xee which covers the whole
disk, which prevents non-gpt-aware partition editing tools from
monkeying with it.  If you delete the 0xee partition, and then create
another partition, you'll wind up overwriting the whole GPT partition
table and all the contents it refers to.

You appear to be installing RHEL5.  Is this an anaconda-generated
error message?  Do you really intend to completely wipe the contents
of this disk and install fresh?  If so, before you get to this screen,
drop to Alt-F2, and erase the first few and last few MB on the disk,
before proceeding back within the installer.  Or boot a Fedora LiveCD
and use that as your environment to erase the first and last few MB of
the disk.



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Re: input/output error on disk(?)

[charles zeitler]

thanks for the help, Tony.
i finally checked the results of cat'ing to /dev/null,
which found 11 troubled files. having removed them,
am now running smartctl -t on umounted disk.

>
>    # tar -cvf - --ignore-failed-read --one-file-system / \
>      2>/some/other/volume/tarfiles.txt | cat >/dev/null
>
> Good luck.
>
> --

ah... perhaps this will let me check dir files... will try after
the smartctl test.

> 
> TonyN.:'                       
>      '                              
>

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Re: How to check cpu temperature?

[Mikkel]

Aioanei Rares wrote:
> On 10/16/2009 11:19 PM, Mikkel wrote:
>> This is normally caused by a BIOS that does not support the ACPI CPU
>> temperature output. You may be able to get the temperature by
>> configuring lmsensors.
>>
>> With a Dual core CPU, you should geempet 2 different temperature
>> displays - one for each core. But to get them under thermal_zone, it
>> has to be supported by the BIOS.
>>
>> Mikkel
>>
> If entering the BIOS menu, does it show the CPU temp and all that jazz?
> If it's a BIOS issue, it's less likely that sensors support will help
> much. A BIOS flash/update might help a great deal.
> 
You would think that would be the case. But in practice, you can
have a BIOS that will read the same sensors that lmsensors supports,
but will not provide cpu temps as part of its ACPI interface. I have
a motherboard like that, and it has the latest BIOS available. (I am
no stranger to upgrading a BIOS, or other firmware.)

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Re: bournal reviews please - keypassx

[David Timms]

On 10/17/2009 03:34 AM, Todd Zullinger wrote:

Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote:

I use revelation for storing encrypted data like that. It is very
simple and easy to use. Just "yum install revelation".


I use revelation as well.  It's perhaps not as good for storing random
personal data, but for passwords, login info, credit cards, ans such,
it is very convenient.  It can also import and export its data in
numerous formats so if you ever needed to switch to another password
manager it should be possible.
keepassx is another open source encrypted info store, with both linux 
and windows apps. Useful for passwords etc, but has notes fields as 
well. It can be secured with both a master pass and / or a generated 
token (that you can store on a keyring usb flash drive).


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Re: USB link to phone doesn't work in FC11

[David Timms]

On 10/17/2009 01:40 AM, Gary Stainburn wrote:

I cannot connect my Samsung phone using USB, although it still works with my
FC10 based desktop computer.

When I try, I get the following errors in /var/log/messages. The system has
all updates. Anyone got any ideas how I can fix this?

Is the phone set for usb syncing or usb memory ?
As I understand it, it can only be one of the above (wm6).

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Re: How to check cpu temperature?

[Aioanei Rares]

On 10/16/2009 11:19 PM, Mikkel wrote:

Aaron Konstam wrote:
   

On my F11 laprop there is a file:
/proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM/temperature
whwen cat-ed displays the temperature of thwe cpu.

However there is not such file on my desktop running F11.

Two questions:
1. How can I display the cpu temperature on the desktop cpu?
2. Is is it maybe because my desktop has a dual core cpu?

 

This is normally caused by a BIOS that does not support the ACPI CPU
temperature output. You may be able to get the temperature by
configuring lmsensors.

With a Dual core CPU, you should geempet 2 different temperature
displays - one for each core. But to get them under thermal_zone, it
has to be supported by the BIOS.

Mikkel
   
If entering the BIOS menu, does it show the CPU temp and all that jazz? 
If it's a BIOS issue, it's less likely that sensors support will help

much. A BIOS flash/update might help a great deal.

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Re: qemu (with kqemu) show an error about an _invalid option_

[Tony Nelson]

On 09-10-16 15:31:46, Athmane Madjoudj wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> When i try to run
> 
> qemu -kernel-kqemu
> 
> or
> 
> qemu -no-kqemu
> 
> 
> i get error about an  _invalid option_
> 
> i think that the fedora 11 qemu packages are build without support 
> for kqemu ( which has been installed from rpm-fusion repos)
> 
> i have noticed that by the degradation of performance of VMs from
> virt-manager.  how i can fix that ?

Someone believes that QEMU no longer benefits from kqemu.  Also, kqemu 
is incompatible with kvm.

You will need to rebuild qemu with kqemu enabled.  Attached are two 
patches:  one to be placed in rpmbuild/SOURCES, and the other to serve 
as a guide to altering the qemu.spec file (please don't use my 
initials when you set the version).  Use `rpmbuild --recompile -bp 
qemu-*.src.rpm` to unpack the files (you can interrupt the build with 
Ctl-C once you see that %prep has been started), and after altering the 
spec file, `rpmbuild -ba qemu.spec` to build with the altered spec 
file.

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  '  
--- qemu-kvm-0.10.6/configure.orig	2009-09-01 21:48:19.515745113 -0400
+++ qemu-kvm-0.10.6/configure	2009-09-01 22:05:54.525749602 -0400
@@ -328,7 +328,6 @@
 kqemu="yes"
 audio_possible_drivers="$audio_possible_drivers fmod"
 kvm="yes"
-kqemu="no"
 fi
 if [ "$cpu" = "ia64" ] ; then
  kvm="yes"

--- qemu.spec	2009-09-29 16:55:57.0 -0400
+++ qemu.spec.patched	2009-10-07 20:45:34.590096056 -0400
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
 Summary: QEMU is a FAST! processor emulator
 Name: qemu
 Version: 0.10.6
-Release: 6%{?dist}
+Release: 7_GAN
 # Epoch because we pushed a qemu-1.0 package
 Epoch: 2
 License: GPLv2+ and LGPLv2+ and BSD
@@ -36,7 +36,8 @@
 Patch16: qemu-ppc-on-ppc.patch
 Patch17: qemu-use-statfs-to-determine-huge-page-size.patch
 Patch18: qemu-allow-pulseaudio-to-be-the-default.patch
-Patch19: qemu-fix-virtio-net-gso-support.patch
+
+Patch999: qemu-config-allow-kqemu.patch
 
 BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n)
 BuildRequires: SDL-devel zlib-devel which texi2html gnutls-devel cyrus-sasl-devel
@@ -238,7 +239,7 @@
 %patch16 -p1
 %patch17 -p1
 %patch18 -p1
-%patch19 -p1
+%patch999 -p1
 
 %build
 # systems like rhel build system does not have a recent enough linker so
@@ -266,7 +267,8 @@
 --audio-drv-list=pa,sdl,alsa,oss \
 --disable-strip \
 --extra-ldflags=$extraldflags \
---extra-cflags="$RPM_OPT_FLAGS"
+--extra-cflags="$RPM_OPT_FLAGS" \
+--disable-kqemu
 
 make V=1 %{?_smp_mflags} $buildldflags
 cp -a x86_64-softmmu/qemu-system-x86_64 qemu-kvm

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Re: PV and LVM resize ext4

[Richard Shaw]

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Tait Clarridge  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am about to buy a 60GB SSD to replace my netbook's current 160GB drive
> and wanted to get some feedback whether the process I am thinking of
> taking to resize the drives will work properly.
>
> So here goes:
> My volume group in this example is called: vg_taitsvolume
> The logical volume (root) being resized is: lv_root
> The physical volume is: /dev/sda2
>
> Current Partition Sizes:
>
> /boot - 200M - formatted ext3
> swap - 4GB - swap
> / - 145GB - formatted ext4
>
> There is only ~8GB in use on the / fs
>
> Boot into a LiveCD
>
> e2fsck -f /dev/vg_taitsvolume/lv_root
> resize2fs -p /dev/vg_taitsvolume/lv_root 30G
> lvreduce --size 30G vg_taitsvolume/lv_root --test
> lvreduce --size 30G vg_taitsvolume/lv_root
>
> pvresize --setphysicalvolumesize 40G /dev/sda2

Everything looks good to this point as far as I can tell (from memory)

>
> (I chose 40GB to keep it away from the maximum of 60GB so there are no
> issues with block sizes/sectors)
>
> use gparted to resize /dev/sda2 to 40G
>
> dd to smaller drive

These steps should not be necessary as part of the advantage if LVM[1]
is moving the LV's around.
>
> use gparted to resize /dev/sda2 to maximum allowed
>
> pvresize /dev/sda2
> lvextend /dev/vg_hornet/lv_root /dev/sda2
> e2fsck -f /dev/vg_hornet/lv_root
> resize2fs /dev/vg_hornet/lv_root
>
>
> So, will this work? Are there any steps I can take out? I haven't really
> played with LVM before (at all) so I thought I would come up with my own
> steps through the man pages and put it to the list to see if anyone has
> either completed what I need to do, or has any tips.
>
> I will be backing up the important files so if something goes wrong it
> is not a problem, but kind of an annoyance.
>
> Thanks,
> Tait

Richard

[1] http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/recipemovevgtonewsys.html

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Re: privoxy conundrum [*NOT* solved]

[Patrick Mansfield]

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 01:59:31PM -0600, Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
> This is not solved, after all.
> 
> Perhaps you *do* have to service privoxy restart and 
> restart the browser. All was working splendidly, now it 
> hangs on google-analytics again, just like before.
> 
> google-analytics is dealt with in the default.action 
> file, but clearly this doesn't work correctly.
> 
> Any more ideas?

I put ssl.google-analytics.com in the privoxy user.action file, under the 
"{ -block }" section.

I also used ghostery's blocking in firefox, then I could it in ghostery,
and the page still loads.

Yesterday, I was playing with it some - sometimes privoxy blocks (and logs
the blocking) of the requests, sometimes it does not, I'm not sure why. I
cleared the cache and cookies (in firefox), but no change. And, then the
page loaded fine with ssl.google-analytics.com blocked.

And, today the page won't load :-(

I get this logged:

Oct 16 13:36:28.496 Privoxy(b73ffb70) Request: 
ssl.google-analytics.com:443/ crunch! (Blocked)

The really sad part is that this is my *bank*! I complained, but they
haven't changed anything, I think they need to be publicly shamed.

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Re: How do you display cpu temperature?

[Mikkel]

Aioanei Rares wrote:
> First of all, maybe he's not usin KDE. Second , if the kernel doesn't
> know how to read temp data from hardware, how do you suppose that this
> wonder plasmoid will? Think about it. ;)
> 
The kernel display in /proc/acpi is driven by the ACPI interface in
the BIOS. Lmsensors is a combination of kernel drivers and a
user-space program that reads motherboard sensors in a different
method. You have to tell the kernel what modules to load in order to
access the sensors.

For example, I have a ASUS P4R800-VM motherboard that does not
support ACPI access to cpu temperature, but does support temperature
reporting using lmsensors. But you do have to configure lmsensors to
get the proper outputs, and not all motherboards have sensors.

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Re: CPU temperature Thinkpad R61

[Konstantin Svist]

On 10/16/2009 02:41 AM, Christoph Höger wrote:

I am aware of that dust thing (I am going to give a compressor a try),
but the heat goes up when the notebook and the fan is idle. That should
not have anything to do with dust, right?


I feel comfortable opening up my electronics, so I open up the laptop 
before using compressed air. When the heatsinks are all in the open, 
it's much easier to see where you need to blow or wipe (I use q-tips too).

Otherwise, you're risking blowing the dust deeper into the laptop.

HTH

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Re: How to check cpu temperature?

[Mikkel]

Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On my F11 laprop there is a file:
> /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM/temperature
> whwen cat-ed displays the temperature of thwe cpu.
> 
> However there is not such file on my desktop running F11.
> 
> Two questions:
> 1. How can I display the cpu temperature on the desktop cpu?
> 2. Is is it maybe because my desktop has a dual core cpu?
> 
This is normally caused by a BIOS that does not support the ACPI CPU
temperature output. You may be able to get the temperature by
configuring lmsensors.

With a Dual core CPU, you should get 2 different temperature
displays - one for each core. But to get them under thermal_zone, it
has to be supported by the BIOS.

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Re: OT: ATX 4P power socket

[Mike McCarty]

Christoph Höger wrote:
I somehow broke my ATX 4P 12V Power Socket from my mb. 
Here's my question: Is there any hope to get such a socket as a

replacement part somewhere and try if repluging would help?


The problem is not so much difficulty finding the part. The problem
is going to be removing the broken one without damaging the MB.
Those boards are multi layered, so desolering the pins is a bit
of a challenge. I'd try breaking up the old socket with a pair
of dykes to get the shell off first, then try to desolder the
pins one at a time. A solder sucker is necessary for this.
You may have a pin broken off inside the board. A solder sucker
can likely get it back out for you. A toothpick can also be
helpful.

Be gentle, and use a temperature controlled iron. Wattage doesn't
much matter, so long as it is high enough. You'll see "never use
a high power iron on PC boards" recommended. This is untrue. The
power doesn't matter, but the temperature does. Be careful not
to overheat the board, that's what counts.

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Re: CPU temperature Thinkpad R61

[Mikkel]

Fernando Cassia wrote:
> 
> By the way, when I say "air compressor" I mean one like these.
> http://toolmonger.com/2006/05/31/home-use-air-compressor-on-a-budget/
> 
> These are small, have wheels, and can be easily moved around your
> home/office and are small enough to be stored in a closet.
> 
> Before someone mentions compressed air, let me tell you that you
> cannot match with a can of compressed air the cleaning power of the
> air coming out of an air compressor. That´s what llows you to
> completely clean a notebook cooler from the outside without ever
> opening up your notebook (and as I said, you must do it with the
> notebook powered up and functioning, otherwise the dust you remove
> won´t be expelled out by the notebook´s own fans and air flow, but you
> would be just moving dust inwards..
> 
You do not want to use that type of compressor to clean electronics.
You would need both an oil remover and a regulator. The normal
operating pressure is more then high enough to damage the computer,
especially the fans. You can also put a fine film of oil because
this type of compressor is oil lubricated. Some of the oil gets in
the compressed air. This is good for air tools, but bad for computers.

If you want to use an air compressor, consider one designed to be
used with air brushes. This is a much cleaner air supply.

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Re: e1000e unstable on a new board

[gary artim]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Michael Cronenworth  wrote:
> On 10/15/2009 11:33 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>
>> Whatever changes you made to your BIOS settings to bring out this
>> problemplease keep them secret.  We wouldn't want anyone else to
>> miss out on the chance to experience the same adventure.  :-) :-)
>>
>
> Well, since you asked so nicely I stayed up several more hours and tinkered
> with it. It will be no surprise to anyone here what the culprit was -- ACPI.
> Changing from ACPI 2.0 to 3.0 in the BIOS causes it. Simply changing back to
> 2.0 is not good enough either. You have to completely power off and back on
> to have a stable system again.
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I have a 4 socket H8QME-2+ motherboard from supermicro. The intel
ethernet is  Intel 82546GB Dual-port Gigabit. I've had one or both of
the lan ports go offline and bring fedora 9/10/11 down. I've flashed
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Re: PV and LVM resize ext4

[Itamar Reis Peixoto]

I think should work .

make a backup first and go ahead.

let us know if worked


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Tait Clarridge  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am about to buy a 60GB SSD to replace my netbook's current 160GB drive
> and wanted to get some feedback whether the process I am thinking of
> taking to resize the drives will work properly.
>
> So here goes:
> My volume group in this example is called: vg_taitsvolume
> The logical volume (root) being resized is: lv_root
> The physical volume is: /dev/sda2
>
> Current Partition Sizes:
>
> /boot - 200M - formatted ext3
> swap - 4GB - swap
> / - 145GB - formatted ext4
>
> There is only ~8GB in use on the / fs
>
> Boot into a LiveCD
>
> e2fsck -f /dev/vg_taitsvolume/lv_root
> resize2fs -p /dev/vg_taitsvolume/lv_root 30G
> lvreduce --size 30G vg_taitsvolume/lv_root --test
> lvreduce --size 30G vg_taitsvolume/lv_root
>
> pvresize --setphysicalvolumesize 40G /dev/sda2
>
> (I chose 40GB to keep it away from the maximum of 60GB so there are no
> issues with block sizes/sectors)
>
> use gparted to resize /dev/sda2 to 40G
>
> dd to smaller drive
>
> use gparted to resize /dev/sda2 to maximum allowed
>
> pvresize /dev/sda2
> lvextend /dev/vg_hornet/lv_root /dev/sda2
> e2fsck -f /dev/vg_hornet/lv_root
> resize2fs /dev/vg_hornet/lv_root
>
>
> So, will this work? Are there any steps I can take out? I haven't really
> played with LVM before (at all) so I thought I would come up with my own
> steps through the man pages and put it to the list to see if anyone has
> either completed what I need to do, or has any tips.
>
> I will be backing up the important files so if something goes wrong it
> is not a problem, but kind of an annoyance.
>
> Thanks,
> Tait
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PV and LVM resize ext4

[Tait Clarridge]

Hello,

I am about to buy a 60GB SSD to replace my netbook's current 160GB drive
and wanted to get some feedback whether the process I am thinking of
taking to resize the drives will work properly.

So here goes:
My volume group in this example is called: vg_taitsvolume
The logical volume (root) being resized is: lv_root
The physical volume is: /dev/sda2

Current Partition Sizes:

/boot - 200M - formatted ext3
swap - 4GB - swap
/ - 145GB - formatted ext4

There is only ~8GB in use on the / fs

Boot into a LiveCD

e2fsck -f /dev/vg_taitsvolume/lv_root
resize2fs -p /dev/vg_taitsvolume/lv_root 30G
lvreduce --size 30G vg_taitsvolume/lv_root --test
lvreduce --size 30G vg_taitsvolume/lv_root

pvresize --setphysicalvolumesize 40G /dev/sda2

(I chose 40GB to keep it away from the maximum of 60GB so there are no
issues with block sizes/sectors)

use gparted to resize /dev/sda2 to 40G

dd to smaller drive

use gparted to resize /dev/sda2 to maximum allowed

pvresize /dev/sda2
lvextend /dev/vg_hornet/lv_root /dev/sda2
e2fsck -f /dev/vg_hornet/lv_root
resize2fs /dev/vg_hornet/lv_root


So, will this work? Are there any steps I can take out? I haven't really
played with LVM before (at all) so I thought I would come up with my own
steps through the man pages and put it to the list to see if anyone has
either completed what I need to do, or has any tips.

I will be backing up the important files so if something goes wrong it
is not a problem, but kind of an annoyance.

Thanks,
Tait


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Re: input/output error on disk(?)

[Tony Nelson]

On 09-10-16 00:00:16, charles zeitler wrote:
> thanks for the help...
> 
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Tony Nelson

> > I don't know of anything specifically intended to find the damaged
> > files.  e2fsck will map out bad blocks, but doesn't (AFAIK) tell 
> > one which files are damaged.  I think tar can be used to find such,
> > files but I'm not sure.  As you know of one file that has a 
> > problem, I suggest trying this command on the directory which 
> > contains that file:
> >
> >    # tar -cf - --ignore-failed-read /path/to/bad/file's/dir \
> >  /dev/null
> >
> > Possibly -v will also be needed.  In that case, the full scan 
> should
> > probably write the messages to a file:
> >
> >    # tar -cvf - --ignore-failed-read --one-file-system / \
> >  >/dev/null 2>/some/other/volume/tarfiles.txt
> >
> > I don't happen to have any bad blocks to try this on.

> tar seems not to read files that are headed to /dev/null (?)

Lovely.  Well then:

# tar -cvf - --ignore-failed-read --one-file-system / \
  2>/some/other/volume/tarfiles.txt | cat >/dev/null

> trying cat instead. since i am working with hundreds of
> gigabytes... it could take awhile.

Good luck.

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qemu (with kqemu) show an error about an _invalid option_

[Athmane Madjoudj]

Hi All,

When i try to run

qemu -kernel-kqemu

or

qemu -no-kqemu


i get error about an  _invalid option_

i think that the fedora 11 qemu packages are build without support for
kqemu ( which has been installed from rpm-fusion repos)

i have noticed that by the degradation of performance of VMs from virt-manager.
how i can fix that ?

Thanks

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Re: How do you display cpu temperature?

[Tait Clarridge]

On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 10:34 -0700, suvayu ali wrote:
> 2009/10/16 Aaron Konstam :
> > On my F11 laptop one can cat:
> > /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM/temperature
> > and the cpu temperature is displayed.
> >
> > On my desktop running F11 there is no file like that. So:
> > 1. How do I display cpu temperature on my desktop?
> > 2. Could this be because my desktop has a dual core cpu?
> 
> I would suggest to look into conky, although it does a lot more than
> just monitor your hardware. To get an idea about what it can do, try
> looking here.
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=281865&highlight=conky
> You might want to look into this particular post. ;)
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8106123&postcount=9832
> 
> To install just,
> $ yum install conky
> 
> Hopefully this wasn't too much out of the line.
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Conky will not help if sensors-detect doesn't find anything! As far as I
know, if running "sensors" doesn't output any temperature for CPUs then
the OP will not be able to view temperature using any application..
whether it is conky or any gnome applet.


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Re: How do you display cpu temperature?

[suvayu ali]

2009/10/16 Aaron Konstam :
> On my F11 laptop one can cat:
> /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM/temperature
> and the cpu temperature is displayed.
>
> On my desktop running F11 there is no file like that. So:
> 1. How do I display cpu temperature on my desktop?
> 2. Could this be because my desktop has a dual core cpu?

I would suggest to look into conky, although it does a lot more than
just monitor your hardware. To get an idea about what it can do, try
looking here.
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=281865&highlight=conky
You might want to look into this particular post. ;)
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8106123&postcount=9832

To install just,
$ yum install conky

Hopefully this wasn't too much out of the line.
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Re: Moved a FC10 drive between two systems - eth0 not recognized

[Tom H]

> On 10/14/2009 08:11 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

>> I have 2 Compaq SFFs one old, the other older.  The just old one is my
>> production server.  The older one is my
>> test server.  Both have 512Mb memory.  Both, I believe, have Intel
>> ethernet on the system board, but different versions.

>> 2 years ago when I moved a Centos 5 drive from the development to the
>> production server, everything worked fine.  Yes I ran system-config-display
>> to get it to recognize the new video (I run inittab 3 for the most part, so
>> this was an extra step).

>> Now with FC10, the production server's ethernet is not recognized.

>> ifconfig
>> only shows L0

>> I tried system-config-network and it recognized something ( just the
>> ifcfg-eth0 file?) and saved and updated the ifcfg-eth0 file.  I rebooted the
>> system and still no eth0 on the system. So for now, I put the drive in the
>> development system and am running from that, but the production system has
>> twice the CPU speed.
>> So what is the magic as there is no longer kudzu?

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:37 AM, Joe  wrote:
> remove MAC in ifcfg-eth0 and restart network.

I think that F10 uses udev and that the latter overrides ifcfg (I
think!), so if the above does not work:

Run "lshw -c network"

Change "ATTR{address}" in "/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules"
to the MAC address that lshw outputs.

(There is a way of re-generating the net rules but I do not know it.)

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Re: How do you display cpu temperature?

[Aioanei Rares]

On 10/16/2009 08:19 PM, Petrus de Calguarium wrote:

Aioanei Rares wrote:

   

First of all, maybe he's not usin KDE.
 

Maybe he's not usin' gnome!? No matter which one he is
using is not of consequence. When a general question is
asked or an answer given, gnome answers are always
presumed correct, while kde answers are treated as
incorrect or emanating from another planet. Fedora has
a whole lot of kde users! When the desktop is not
expressly specified, it is not correct to glibly assume
gnome ;-)

   

Second, if the kernel doesn't know how to read
temp data from hardware, how do you suppose that
this wonder plasmoid will?
 

Point well taken. I never got ksensors to work, but the
plasmoid works out-of-the-box.


   
Well, dearest pal, how exactly do you run a KDE plasmoid if not inside 
KDE? Can you run a plasmoid inside fluxbox? Do you have screenshots to 
prove it? :P


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Re: How do you display cpu temperature?

[Petrus de Calguarium]

Aioanei Rares wrote:

> First of all, maybe he's not usin KDE.

Maybe he's not usin' gnome!? No matter which one he is 
using is not of consequence. When a general question is 
asked or an answer given, gnome answers are always 
presumed correct, while kde answers are treated as 
incorrect or emanating from another planet. Fedora has 
a whole lot of kde users! When the desktop is not 
expressly specified, it is not correct to glibly assume 
gnome ;-)

> Second, if the kernel doesn't know how to read
> temp data from hardware, how do you suppose that
> this wonder plasmoid will?

Point well taken. I never got ksensors to work, but the 
plasmoid works out-of-the-box.


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Re: How do you display cpu temperature?

[Aioanei Rares]

On 10/16/2009 08:06 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 20:04 +0300, Aioanei Rares wrote:
   

On 10/16/2009 07:57 PM, Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
 

Aaron Konstam wrote:


   

How do I display cpu temperature on my desktop?

 

There is a nice system information plasmoid that shows
this, fan speed, etc.


   

First of all, maybe he's not usin KDE. Second , if the kernel doesn't
know how to read temp data from hardware, how do you suppose that this
wonder plasmoid will? Think about it. ;)
 

If he hasn't run sensors-detect, the magic file will not be there, as
several people have noted.

Unfortunately the question is phrased as one of displaying the
tmeperature, not of getting the sensors to work, so some people (myself
included) answered that part and ignored the other and more important
part.

poc

   
How' bout this : most PC motherboards have a sensors menu in the BIOS, 
which displays temperature, CPU fan rpm, etc, etc. I suggests the OP 
looks in the BIOS and tells us if there are temperature readings in the 
BIOS menu plus the exact type of motherboard he has so we can help him 
enable ACPI or whatever.


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Re: How do you display cpu temperature?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 20:04 +0300, Aioanei Rares wrote:
> On 10/16/2009 07:57 PM, Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
> > Aaron Konstam wrote:
> >
> >
> >> How do I display cpu temperature on my desktop?
> >>  
> > There is a nice system information plasmoid that shows
> > this, fan speed, etc.
> >
> >
> First of all, maybe he's not usin KDE. Second , if the kernel doesn't 
> know how to read temp data from hardware, how do you suppose that this 
> wonder plasmoid will? Think about it. ;)

If he hasn't run sensors-detect, the magic file will not be there, as
several people have noted.

Unfortunately the question is phrased as one of displaying the
tmeperature, not of getting the sensors to work, so some people (myself
included) answered that part and ignored the other and more important
part.

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Re: How do you display cpu temperature?

[Aioanei Rares]

On 10/16/2009 07:57 PM, Petrus de Calguarium wrote:

Aaron Konstam wrote:

   

How do I display cpu temperature on my desktop?
 

There is a nice system information plasmoid that shows
this, fan speed, etc.

   
First of all, maybe he's not usin KDE. Second , if the kernel doesn't 
know how to read temp data from hardware, how do you suppose that this 
wonder plasmoid will? Think about it. ;)


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Re: How do you display cpu temperature?

[Gregory P. Ennis]

On my F11 laptop one can cat:
/proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM/temperature
and the cpu temperature is displayed.

On my desktop running F11 there is no file like that. So:
1. How do I display cpu temperature on my desktop?
2. Could this be because my desktop has a dual core cpu?
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Try running sensors-detect from a terminal interface to see if you have
sensors that are supported.  After running sensors-detect try running
'sensors' from the terminal interface to see what the values might be.

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Re: Evolution on Fc11

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 11:44 -0500, Gregory P. Ennis wrote:
> Dear List,
> 
> I have a PC with a new install of F11 that is having problems with
> evolution.  I have made sure all updates have been installed
> 
> The user reported that evolution stops as soon as it starts.
> 
> I ran evolution from a terminal interface and confirmed her report.
> 
> Here is what occurred :
> 
> ** (evolution:1688): DEBUG: mailto URL command: evolution
> --component=mail %s
> ** (evolution:1688): DEBUG: mailto URL program: evolution
> Segmentation fault
> 
> If any of you can help me debug this I would appreciate your efforts.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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> 
> 
> For those that might have the same problem :
> 
> I have identified the problem as a something inside the directory :
> 
> /home/user/.evolution/mail/local 
> 
> This PC used an IMAP server so all I did was to rename the 'local'
> directory to 'local.org', then reran evolution,  evolution automatically
> created and rebuilt the contents of 'local'  

Or just remove the index files (foo.cmeta, foo.ev-summary,
foo.ev-summary-meta, foo.ibex.index, foo.ibex.index.data, spme of which
may not exist) and restart.

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Re: How do you display cpu temperature?

[Petrus de Calguarium]

Aaron Konstam wrote:

> How do I display cpu temperature on my desktop?

There is a nice system information plasmoid that shows 
this, fan speed, etc.

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Re: How do you display cpu temperature?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 08:37 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On my F11 laptop one can cat:
> /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM/temperature
> and the cpu temperature is displayed.
> 
> On my desktop running F11 there is no file like that. So:
> 1. How do I display cpu temperature on my desktop?
> 2. Could this be because my desktop has a dual core cpu?

I use Ksensors under KDE. It displays in the panel, one temperature for
each CPU (dual-core Intel cpus have the temp sensor built-in I believe).

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Re: Evolution on Fc11

[Gregory P. Ennis]

Dear List,

I have a PC with a new install of F11 that is having problems with
evolution.  I have made sure all updates have been installed

The user reported that evolution stops as soon as it starts.

I ran evolution from a terminal interface and confirmed her report.

Here is what occurred :

** (evolution:1688): DEBUG: mailto URL command: evolution
--component=mail %s
** (evolution:1688): DEBUG: mailto URL program: evolution
Segmentation fault

If any of you can help me debug this I would appreciate your efforts.

Thanks,

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For those that might have the same problem :

I have identified the problem as a something inside the directory :

/home/user/.evolution/mail/local 

This PC used an IMAP server so all I did was to rename the 'local'
directory to 'local.org', then reran evolution,  evolution automatically
created and rebuilt the contents of 'local'  


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Re: bournal reviews please !?!

[Todd Zullinger]

Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote:
> I use revelation for storing encrypted data like that. It is very
> simple and easy to use. Just "yum install revelation".

I use revelation as well.  It's perhaps not as good for storing random
personal data, but for passwords, login info, credit cards, ans such,
it is very convenient.  It can also import and export its data in
numerous formats so if you ever needed to switch to another password
manager it should be possible.

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Re: [Bulk] Re: bournal reviews please !?!

[William Case]

Thank you Tim;

On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 01:05 +1030, Tim wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 20:11 -0400, William Case wrote:
> > I want a encrypted, password protected, container/file into which I
> > can store things like some personal data, site passwords, and bank
> > account numbers and passwords.
> 
> If you want something that's going to be around, you can use gpg for
> that.  There's even thingumees around that let you right click a file in
> Nautilus, and gpg encrypt it.
> 

I was trying to avoid climbing the gpg learning curve until I had the
time to really dive in so I was looking for something that would do most
of the work for me.  

Nautilus right click does exactly what I want.  In four years of using
gnome/nautilus, I have never tried the encrypt command although I have
experimented with just about everything else.  Who knew?!? 

Thanks again!




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Re: CPU temperature Thinkpad R61

[Konstantin Svist]

On 10/16/2009 07:48 AM, Tim wrote:

You have a fan-cooled backlight?

Some laptops need the lid left open while running, as their lid blocks
the airflow.  Some of those laptops deliberately make the fan run when
the lid's shut, others of them leave it up to you to do something about
it.



No, it's just that the backlight is at the bottom of the screen and the 
CPU and its cooling air intakes are at the top of the keyboard.
When the lid is closed, the air intake ports suck in the air pre-warmed 
by the backlight. Obviously, the designers didn't imagine that a 
software bug would prevent backlight from working.


As I mentioned, when the backlight turns off by the BIOS, laptop gets 
quite cool.


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Fedora V10 Networking issue

[Michael Valley]

I sent this out yesterday (I know I'm a little impatient).  Since then, the 
update process

ran fine and downloaded the most current packages for V10.  This makes the issue

more interesting.  It sounds like a firewall or routing issue.  I tried 
disabling the firewall,

and nothing changed.  netstat -rn shows:

 

Destination  Gateway  GenMask flags . . . 

10.0.0.0  0.0.0.0255.255.255.0  U

0.0.0.0  10.0.0.1  0.0.0.0  UG

 

ifconfig shows:

 

inet addr 10.0.0.6 (assigned by dhcp)

Bcast 10.0.0.255

Mask 255.255.255.0

 

No errors, dropped packets, etc.

 

The following is still the issue:


I have DSL with two other Windows XP computers as well as Wi-Fi for two laptops.
The Windows XP systems as well as the Fedora system are plugged into the wi-fi 
router.
The XP system connect to the internet fine, however the Fedora system, as far 
as I can 
tell, only goes to selected Fedora Websites.  I can ping around the network 
fine.  I have
enabled the appropriate services on the firewall, but there must be something 
simple
I'm missing.  The local network is 10.0.0.0.  The DSL network is 192.168.1.0 
with a 
name server @ 192.168.1.254.  Thoughts?

In Him,Michael



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Re: How to check cpu temperature?

[Tait Clarridge]

On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 10:40 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 09:35 -0400, Tait Clarridge wrote: 
> > On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 08:22 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > > On my F11 laprop there is a file:
> > > /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM/temperature
> > > whwen cat-ed displays the temperature of thwe cpu.
> > > 
> > > However there is not such file on my desktop running F11.
> > > 
> > > Two questions:
> > > 1. How can I display the cpu temperature on the desktop cpu?
> > > 2. Is is it maybe because my desktop has a dual core cpu?
> > > --
> > 
> > Have you run sensors-detect?
> Yes I have. Both ,machines report that INTEL thermal sensors are not
> present. So now what?

Hmm. So if you run "sensors" it doesn't show anything? Mine shows an ISA
Adaptor showing each core temp

[11:46 AM]  @ xx [~] $  sensors
coretemp-isa-
Adapter: ISA adapter
Core 0:  +35.0°C  (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)  

coretemp-isa-0001
Adapter: ISA adapter
Core 1:  +35.0°C  (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)  


Who manufactures your desktop?


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Re: How to check cpu temperature?

[Aaron Konstam]

On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 09:35 -0400, Tait Clarridge wrote: 
> On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 08:22 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > On my F11 laprop there is a file:
> > /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM/temperature
> > whwen cat-ed displays the temperature of thwe cpu.
> > 
> > However there is not such file on my desktop running F11.
> > 
> > Two questions:
> > 1. How can I display the cpu temperature on the desktop cpu?
> > 2. Is is it maybe because my desktop has a dual core cpu?
> > --
> 
> Have you run sensors-detect?
Yes I have. Both ,machines report that INTEL thermal sensors are not
present. So now what?
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Re: F11: Spooky network manager

[Aaron Konstam]

On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 06:26 -0700, Mike Cloaked wrote: 
> 
> 
> Craig White-6 wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 2. Aaron is giving you nothing of usefulness. A laptop should use
> > NetworkManager for connecting to wireless networks...that's one of the
> > things that it is designed to do. 
> > 
> > 
> 
> Although I have not used the network service for a year or two now (except
> for wired connections) I used to find getting a WPA encrypted wireless
> connection using the network service was something of a game of hide and
> seek - and NetworkManager makes WPA wireless easy.  If you do manage to get
> a wireless WPA connection going using the network service instead I would be
> most interested to know how you do it.

I really agree with Craig . Using NM and recreating your gnome keyring
is the way to go. 
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Re: F11: Spooky network manager

[Aaron Konstam]

On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 05:25 -0700, Craig White wrote: 
> On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 06:05 -0400, lanas wrote:
> > Le jeudi, 15 Oct 2009 17:57:39 -0700,
> > Craig White  a écrit :
> > 
> > > sounds to me like you already stored the AP's WPA key in your stored
> > > keyring and only need to enter the stored keyring password to handle
> > > the authentication.
> > 
> > Indeed.
> > 
> > > your problem isn't network manager, it's understanding what keyrings
> > > do and why they are useful (or in your case, making you crazy).
> > > 
> > > As user...
> > > 
> > > rm ~/.gnome2/keyrings/default.keyring
> > 
> > The only file in that directory is named login.keyring.
> > 
> > Is this keyring similar in concept to the KDE kwallet (I do not use
> > gnome at all - all users' first sessions are in KDE, gnome never
> > actually starts) ?  If so, I use kwallet everyday.  The nice think
> > about it is that there's an initialization phase at the very beginning
> > in which the user is asked to create a password.
> > 
> > With the keyring what I find is odd, is that it seemingly uses a
> > password that was never created by the user.  Or, a default password I
> > wouldn't try, like 'admin'.  I've entered all three passwords that I
> > created related to the laptop (several times to be sure I haven't made
> > any typos) and none satisfied the keyring master.  root, user and AP
> > passwords.  There are no other passwords related to this context.
> > 
> > > that gets you back to the start. Then the next time it asks you for a
> > > password for your 'keyring' - pay attention to what you enter. I think
> > > if you use the same password as your login, you don't have ever enter
> > > it again.
> > 
> > So, should I delete this login.keyring file ?  I'm porceeding with care
> > here since this laptop is a gift and the birthday is coming near.  I
> > wouldn't want to screw things up badly at this point.
> > 
> > In parallel I will try Aaron's suggestion and use the plain network
> > management utility.  I'd sure would like to use the latest technology,
> > though as it surely is better (sarcasm, a bit).
> 
> 1. NetworkManager is a Gnome application and I think uses the gnome
> keyrings anyway. I also use KDE and see the same thing as you
> (.gnome2/keyrings/login.keyring)  - Delete this file or simply move it
> if you worry about deleting. It will be recreated the next time it asks
> you for a password on NetworkManager.
> 
> 2. Aaron is giving you nothing of usefulness. A laptop should use
> NetworkManager for connecting to wireless networks...that's one of the
> things that it is designed to do. 
I agree with the above comment . I was just answering the OP question. I
should added that was not the way to go. My mistake. 
> 
> Your problem has been with not realizing that keyrings have one
> password, Wireless AP's have their own password and that they are not
> the same.
> 
> Craig
> 
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Re: How to check cpu temperature?

[Aaron Konstam]

On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 14:29 +0100, Athmane Madjoudj wrote: 
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Aaron Konstam  wrote:
> > On my F11 laptop there is a file:
> > /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM/temperature
> > when cat-ed displays the temperature of the cpu.
> >
> > However there is not such file on my desktop running F11.
> >
> > Two questions:
> > 1. How can I display the cpu temperature on the desktop cpu?
> > 2. Is is it maybe because my desktop has a dual core cpu?
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> I think that your desktop doesn't support ACPI or maybe you should
> enable it on the BIOS Setup.
> Check the manual of your motherboard/desktop for more information.

I see nowhere in the BIOS to enable acpi. cpuinfo says it is a cpu parameter.
In proc: acpi/thermal_zone exists but the directory THM does not, so it
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Re: problem with nvida settings - FIXED

[Gerhard Magnus]

On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 16:07 -0700, Craig White wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 15:17 -0700, Gerhard Magnus wrote:
> > >> I'm running FC11 with a PAE kernel and kmod-nvidia. The videocard is
> > a GeForce 6200 (nvidia series 6) and the monitor is a ViewSonic V2030wm.
> > > >>>
> > > > How can I get the resolution setting for my nvidia card to stick?
> > > > Whenever I log on the resolution reverts to 1280 x 1024. I can reset
> > > > this to 1680 X 1050 using the nvidia-settings widget and I click the
> > > > "Save to X Configuration File" button but this setting only lasts
> > > > through my current session.
> > > > 
> > > >>> 1- System>Administration>Livna Display configuration
> > > >>> Then untick "Allow livna-config-display to edit configuration files"
> > 
> > Here are the relevant parts of my xorg.conf file:
> > 
> 
> it would probably be more useful to see the Xorg.0.log after boot BEFORE
> you go in and manually change it.
> 
> but this looks ominous...
> Adding input device Justcom Technology USB KVM Switch
> 
> because many KVM switches interfere with auto-detection
> 
I took out the KVM switch but still had the same problem and decided to
wait until the FC12 release -- maybe a fresh install would fix things.
But then, with the KVM switch back in place and with the latest set of
updates, everything started working: I have 1680x1050 screen resolution
when I log on. So whatever was interfering with auto-detection (probably
not the Belkin KVM switch) has stopped doing so. --Jerry



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Re: Sybase Adaptive Server Anywhere and Fedora 11

[Tim]

On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 15:14 -0400, Fabio Jara wrote:
> I'm currently heaving some doubts about an update that i need to do.
> Here it goes.
>  
> I have to install Fedora 11 with Samba and Sybase Adaptive Server
> Anywhere, to work with a program manufactured by a third party.
> Currently there is a server running Red Hat 5.0 with and old Samba and
> also and old Sybase ASA version 7.0.2.
>  
> The machine have to be changed to give better LAN processing for the
> system of the third party. So, i need to migrate the database and the
> samba file sharing to the Fedora 11 machine,

If you're using Red Hat Linux, have you considered CentOS?  It's based
on RHEL, it's free, it has a much longer lifespan than Fedora.  The last
one is a godsend with servers that'd be a pain to migrate data across.

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Re: F11: Spooky network manager

[Mike Cloaked]

Craig White-6 wrote:
> 
> 
> I wouldn't expect this to all that difficult but you would have to
> configure iwconfig to be able to handle virtually all of this but since
> a laptop is essentially a mobile device, it makes far more sense to use
> a tool that is designed, at the user level to connect to various
> networks - hence NetworkManager
> 
> 

Well, I used to have to configure wpa_supplicant myself for WPA, and then
get the startup scripts to do things in the right order - it may of be very
simple a couple of versions down the road - but I would still be interested
and bemused to know what the experience is for someone trying it now in F11
compared to when I was spending quite a bit of time on it in F8/9! Maybe it
is easy now (tongue remains firmly in cheek!)
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Re: CPU temperature Thinkpad R61

[Ed Greshko]

Tim wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 15:45 -0700, Konstantin Svist wrote:
>   
>> I get similar behavior with my Dell laptop. The cause here is that the
>> radeon driver doesn't shut off my backlight when the lid is closed, so
>> the temperature stays fairly high -- and the CPU fan attempts to lower
>> it constantly.
>> 
>
> You have a fan-cooled backlight?
>
> Some laptops need the lid left open while running, as their lid blocks
> the airflow.  Some of those laptops deliberately make the fan run when
> the lid's shut, others of them leave it up to you to do something about
> it.
>
>   
Does this mean that CPU temperature is a hot topic?

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Re: CPU temperature Thinkpad R61

[Tim]

On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 15:45 -0700, Konstantin Svist wrote:
> I get similar behavior with my Dell laptop. The cause here is that the
> radeon driver doesn't shut off my backlight when the lid is closed, so
> the temperature stays fairly high -- and the CPU fan attempts to lower
> it constantly.

You have a fan-cooled backlight?

Some laptops need the lid left open while running, as their lid blocks
the airflow.  Some of those laptops deliberately make the fan run when
the lid's shut, others of them leave it up to you to do something about
it.

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Re: bournal reviews please !?!

[Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak]

On 10/16/2009 10:35 AM, Tim wrote:

On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 20:11 -0400, William Case wrote:

I want a encrypted, password protected, container/file into which I
can store things like some personal data, site passwords, and bank
account numbers and passwords.


I use revelation for storing encrypted data like that. It is very simple 
and easy to use. Just "yum install revelation".


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Re: CPU temperature Thinkpad R61

[Tim]

On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 07:38 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> blow some compressed air from a decent air compressor (as I said cans
> do not have equal airflow power) into the cpu air exhaust vents at the
> back of your lappy. If you hear the internal cooler hum (it´s likely
> spinning backwards due to the reverse airflow), it means it´s working.
> After 3-4 seconds stop. Also move from side to side to cover all the
> sections of the air exhaust vents.

Cautionary advice:

High speed air can create static charges that destroy static sensitive
components (e.g. what you're computer is full of).  Careful blowing out
of heatsink fins wouldn't be a problem, but blowing across components
can be, and that's hard to avoid unless you can actually remove the
heatsink.

Blowing into a fan can blast muck into the bearings, stuffing things up
in a new way.

Blowing into a fan blade so it audibly goes WHEE as it spins around
can (depending on the design of the fan's electrics) cause the fan to
act like a dynamo, and inject current into some circuit that never
expected to receive it.

High pressure air could blow off any components with a weakness.
Perhaps something that, otherwise, wouldn't have broken.

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USB link to phone doesn't work in FC11

[Gary Stainburn]

Hi folks,

I've re-installed my DELL laptop using FC11 (which has fixed a number of 
issues with FC10) but now I have another problem.

I cannot connect my Samsung phone using USB, although it still works with my 
FC10 based desktop computer.

When I try, I get the following errors in /var/log/messages. The system has 
all updates. Anyone got any ideas how I can fix this?

Gary

Oct 16 15:34:28 wgary kernel: hub 5-0:1.0: port 1 disabled by hub (EMI?), 
re-enabling...
Oct 16 15:34:28 wgary kernel: usb 5-1: USB disconnect, address 2
Oct 16 15:34:28 wgary kernel: usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd 
and address 4
Oct 16 15:34:28 wgary kernel: usb 5-1: New USB device found, idVendor=04d9, 
idProduct=1603
Oct 16 15:34:28 wgary kernel: usb 5-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, 
Product=2, SerialNumber=0
Oct 16 15:34:28 wgary kernel: usb 5-1: Product: USB Keyboard
Oct 16 15:34:28 wgary kernel: usb 5-1: Manufacturer:  
Oct 16 15:34:28 wgary kernel: usb 5-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
Oct 16 15:34:28 wgary kernel: input:   USB Keyboard 
as /devices/pci:00/:00:1d.0/usb5/5-1/5-1:1.0/input/input15
Oct 16 15:34:28 wgary kernel: generic-usb 0003:04D9:1603.0004: input,hidraw0: 
USB HID v1.10 Keyboard [  USB Keyboard] on usb-:00:1d.0-1/input0
Oct 16 15:34:29 wgary kernel: input:   USB Keyboard 
as /devices/pci:00/:00:1d.0/usb5/5-1/5-1:1.1/input/input16
Oct 16 15:34:29 wgary kernel: generic-usb 0003:04D9:1603.0005: input,hidraw1: 
USB HID v1.10 Device [  USB Keyboard] on usb-:00:1d.0-1/input1
Oct 16 15:34:47 wgary kernel: usb 6-2: new full speed USB device using 
uhci_hcd and address 3
Oct 16 15:34:48 wgary kernel: usb 6-2: New USB device found, idVendor=05c6, 
idProduct=1000
Oct 16 15:34:48 wgary kernel: usb 6-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, 
Product=2, SerialNumber=3
Oct 16 15:34:48 wgary kernel: usb 6-2: Product: USB MMC Storage
Oct 16 15:34:48 wgary kernel: usb 6-2: Manufacturer: SAMSUNG Electronics 
Co.,Ltd.
Oct 16 15:34:48 wgary kernel: usb 6-2: SerialNumber: 0002
Oct 16 15:34:48 wgary kernel: usb 6-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
Oct 16 15:34:49 wgary kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
Oct 16 15:34:49 wgary kernel: usb-storage: probe of 6-2:1.0 failed with 
error -5
Oct 16 15:34:49 wgary kernel: usbcore: registered new interface driver 
usb-storage
Oct 16 15:34:49 wgary kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered.
Oct 16 15:35:42 wgary kernel: usb 6-2: USB disconnect, address 3
Oct 16 15:35:55 wgary kernel: usb 6-2: new full speed USB device using 
uhci_hcd and address 4
Oct 16 15:35:56 wgary kernel: usb 6-2: New USB device found, idVendor=05c6, 
idProduct=1000
Oct 16 15:35:56 wgary kernel: usb 6-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, 
Product=2, SerialNumber=3
Oct 16 15:35:56 wgary kernel: usb 6-2: Product: USB MMC Storage
Oct 16 15:35:56 wgary kernel: usb 6-2: Manufacturer: SAMSUNG Electronics 
Co.,Ltd.
Oct 16 15:35:56 wgary kernel: usb 6-2: SerialNumber: 0002
Oct 16 15:35:56 wgary kernel: usb 6-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
Oct 16 15:35:56 wgary kernel: usb-storage: probe of 6-2:1.0 failed with 
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Re: clone a bootable fedora USB drive?

[Tim]

On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 19:32 -0700, Fer! wrote:
> Do the following(UNDER WINDOWS):

Wrong list for that kind of advice, really...  Especially as some
(many?) users may be Linux-only.

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Re: bournal reviews please !?!

[Tim]

On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 20:11 -0400, William Case wrote:
> I want a encrypted, password protected, container/file into which I
> can store things like some personal data, site passwords, and bank
> account numbers and passwords.

If you want something that's going to be around, you can use gpg for
that.  There's even thingumees around that let you right click a file in
Nautilus, and gpg encrypt it.

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Re: F11: Spooky network manager

[Craig White]

On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 06:26 -0700, Mike Cloaked wrote:
> 
> 
> Craig White-6 wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 2. Aaron is giving you nothing of usefulness. A laptop should use
> > NetworkManager for connecting to wireless networks...that's one of the
> > things that it is designed to do. 
> > 
> > 
> 
> Although I have not used the network service for a year or two now (except
> for wired connections) I used to find getting a WPA encrypted wireless
> connection using the network service was something of a game of hide and
> seek - and NetworkManager makes WPA wireless easy.  If you do manage to get
> a wireless WPA connection going using the network service instead I would be
> most interested to know how you do it.

I wouldn't expect this to all that difficult but you would have to
configure iwconfig to be able to handle virtually all of this but since
a laptop is essentially a mobile device, it makes far more sense to use
a tool that is designed, at the user level to connect to various
networks - hence NetworkManager

Craig


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How do you display cpu temperature?

[Aaron Konstam]

On my F11 laptop one can cat:
/proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM/temperature
and the cpu temperature is displayed.

On my desktop running F11 there is no file like that. So:
1. How do I display cpu temperature on my desktop?
2. Could this be because my desktop has a dual core cpu?
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Re: How to check cpu temperature?

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On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 08:22 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On my F11 laprop there is a file:
> /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM/temperature
> whwen cat-ed displays the temperature of thwe cpu.
> 
> However there is not such file on my desktop running F11.
> 
> Two questions:
> 1. How can I display the cpu temperature on the desktop cpu?
> 2. Is is it maybe because my desktop has a dual core cpu?
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Re: How to check cpu temperature?

[Athmane Madjoudj]

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Aaron Konstam  wrote:
> On my F11 laprop there is a file:
> /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM/temperature
> whwen cat-ed displays the temperature of thwe cpu.
>
> However there is not such file on my desktop running F11.
>
> Two questions:
> 1. How can I display the cpu temperature on the desktop cpu?
> 2. Is is it maybe because my desktop has a dual core cpu?
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I think that your desktop doesn't support ACPI or maybe you should
enable it on the BIOS Setup.
Check the manual of your motherboard/desktop for more information.

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Re: F11: Spooky network manager

[Mike Cloaked]

Craig White-6 wrote:
> 
> 
> 2. Aaron is giving you nothing of usefulness. A laptop should use
> NetworkManager for connecting to wireless networks...that's one of the
> things that it is designed to do. 
> 
> 

Although I have not used the network service for a year or two now (except
for wired connections) I used to find getting a WPA encrypted wireless
connection using the network service was something of a game of hide and
seek - and NetworkManager makes WPA wireless easy.  If you do manage to get
a wireless WPA connection going using the network service instead I would be
most interested to know how you do it.

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How to check cpu temperature?

[Aaron Konstam]

On my F11 laprop there is a file:
/proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM/temperature
whwen cat-ed displays the temperature of thwe cpu.

However there is not such file on my desktop running F11.

Two questions:
1. How can I display the cpu temperature on the desktop cpu?
2. Is is it maybe because my desktop has a dual core cpu?
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Re: NFSv4 setup?

[Mike Cloaked]

Jonathan Dieter-2 wrote:
> 
> 
> FWIW, I've switched our school system over to nfs4 from nfs3 when I
> deployed the Fedora 11 image.  There were two reasons:
> 
> * nfs3 file locking seriously sucks.  When someone opened OpenOffice,
> had a  crash, and then attempted to open OpenOffice again, it would
> segfault, no matter which computer was used.  The only solution was to
> rm ~/.openoffice.org.  Some problem with firefox.
> * There was nothing stopping random computers on the network from
> connecting to the server.  With nfs4 being restricted to one port, I've
> been able to turn on ipsec authentication for that port only.
> 
> There have been two problems with nfs4:
> 
> * Usernames now have to be matched using rpcidmapd where before all I
> needed to do was make sure the UID's matched up (using LDAP).
> * There is now some funky POSIX->NFS->POSIX acl conversion going on,
> rather than the (admittedly hacked on) POSIX acls that were built-in to
> nfs3.  It just means I can't see the acls on the client using standard
> getfacl and setfacl tools.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 

Thank you Jonathan - that is exactly the kind of feedback I was hoping to
get - and useful.  Of course setting up the basics of the exports etc is one
thing, but tying in authentication as well as using acls is not that obvious
(to me at any rate!) so a clear guide showing how to do it is still needed.


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Re: F11: Spooky network manager

[Craig White]

On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 06:05 -0400, lanas wrote:
> Le jeudi, 15 Oct 2009 17:57:39 -0700,
> Craig White  a écrit :
> 
> > sounds to me like you already stored the AP's WPA key in your stored
> > keyring and only need to enter the stored keyring password to handle
> > the authentication.
> 
> Indeed.
> 
> > your problem isn't network manager, it's understanding what keyrings
> > do and why they are useful (or in your case, making you crazy).
> > 
> > As user...
> > 
> > rm ~/.gnome2/keyrings/default.keyring
> 
> The only file in that directory is named login.keyring.
> 
> Is this keyring similar in concept to the KDE kwallet (I do not use
> gnome at all - all users' first sessions are in KDE, gnome never
> actually starts) ?  If so, I use kwallet everyday.  The nice think
> about it is that there's an initialization phase at the very beginning
> in which the user is asked to create a password.
> 
> With the keyring what I find is odd, is that it seemingly uses a
> password that was never created by the user.  Or, a default password I
> wouldn't try, like 'admin'.  I've entered all three passwords that I
> created related to the laptop (several times to be sure I haven't made
> any typos) and none satisfied the keyring master.  root, user and AP
> passwords.  There are no other passwords related to this context.
> 
> > that gets you back to the start. Then the next time it asks you for a
> > password for your 'keyring' - pay attention to what you enter. I think
> > if you use the same password as your login, you don't have ever enter
> > it again.
> 
> So, should I delete this login.keyring file ?  I'm porceeding with care
> here since this laptop is a gift and the birthday is coming near.  I
> wouldn't want to screw things up badly at this point.
> 
> In parallel I will try Aaron's suggestion and use the plain network
> management utility.  I'd sure would like to use the latest technology,
> though as it surely is better (sarcasm, a bit).

1. NetworkManager is a Gnome application and I think uses the gnome
keyrings anyway. I also use KDE and see the same thing as you
(.gnome2/keyrings/login.keyring)  - Delete this file or simply move it
if you worry about deleting. It will be recreated the next time it asks
you for a password on NetworkManager.

2. Aaron is giving you nothing of usefulness. A laptop should use
NetworkManager for connecting to wireless networks...that's one of the
things that it is designed to do. 

Your problem has been with not realizing that keyrings have one
password, Wireless AP's have their own password and that they are not
the same.

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Evolution on Fc11

[Gregory P. Ennis]

Dear List,

I have a PC with a new install of F11 that is having problems with
evolution.  I have made sure all updates have been installed

The user reported that evolution stops as soon as it starts.

I ran evolution from a terminal interface and confirmed her report.

Here is what occurred :

** (evolution:1688): DEBUG: mailto URL command: evolution
--component=mail %s
** (evolution:1688): DEBUG: mailto URL program: evolution
Segmentation fault

If any of you can help me debug this I would appreciate your efforts.

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Re: OT: ATX 4P power socket

[Jatin K]

On 10/16/2009 04:07 PM, Christoph Höger wrote:

Hi,

I finally proofed the ultimate stupid error may happen if you think you
know very well what you're doing:

I somehow broke my ATX 4P 12V Power Socket from my mb.
It was fixed with a expanding plastic plug so there might be hope that
it was not soldered.
Here's my question: Is there any hope to get such a socket as a
replacement part somewhere and try if repluging would help?

regards

Christoph
   
you need hot-air-gun ;-) ( see [1] ) to solder it ) ... and power socket 
you can gate it from the market or from the old motherboard (which is 
not in use any-more)


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Re: CPU temperature Thinkpad R61

[Fernando Cassia]

2009/10/16 Christoph Höger :
> Am Freitag, den 16.10.2009, 07:18 -0300 schrieb Fernando Cassia:
>> 2009/10/16 Christoph Höger :
>> > Am Donnerstag, den 15.10.2009, 17:34 -0500 schrieb Mikkel:
>> >> Christoph Höger wrote:
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> > I just wondered why my fan always runs after a while. After closing
>> >> > firefox (which took 50% cpu along with X) I now have a load of roughly
>> >> > 0.06 - barely nothing computed at all. Both cores are in the lowest
>> >> > config and yet my cpu temperature goes from 42°C to 47°C in roughly 2
>> >> > minutes (and back by fan activity).
>> >> >
>> >> > I would understand this if there was some load, but what causes my CPU
>> >> > to heat if it does nothing? Design failure? Has anybody seen such a
>> >> > thing?
>> >> >
>> >> > regards
>> >> >
>> >> > Christoph
>> >> >
>> >> When was the last time you cleaned the dust out? Also are the air
>> >> vents on the laptop clear when in use?
>> >
>> > I am aware of that dust thing (I am going to give a compressor a try),
>> > but the heat goes up when the notebook and the fan is idle. That should
>> > not have anything to do with dust, right?
>>
>> When computers are idle (but active, I mean NOT hibernating or
>> suspended) it doesn´t mean the CPU fan stops completely. Sometimes
>> those spin at very low rpm so you don´t "hear" it, but the fan IS
>> spinning, albeit at very slow speed.
>
> My fan-o-meter tells me it's at 0 RPM - that's what I'd call idling.
>
> Strange thing is: I think the controller of that fan is in "learning
> mode". In the early days, it used to prevent 50°+ at all cost, now it
> even sometimes does not run at 53°. Is that some kind of ageing?

It´s probably stuck in dust. The board is likely sending a low voltage
but the fan doesn´t yet "start" because of all the dust it´s got
around it.

The fan monitor shows the TRUE voltage revolutions (that´s why cpu
fans need 3 wires, two send voltage for it to spin and the other
reports back every spin of the motor-blades), not the voltage it´s
being sent to make it spin. (the board could be sending full voltage
to make it spin at max speed, at yet the cpu fan meter would show 0
rpm, if the fan is stuck in dirt or you placed your finger on top of
it to make it stop).

I guess you know what I mean... in other words: blow some compressed
air from a decent air compressor (as I said cans do not have equal
airflow power) into the cpu air exhaust vents at the back of your
lappy. If you hear the internal cooler hum (it´s likely spinning
backwards due to the reverse airflow), it means it´s working. After
3-4 seconds stop. Also move from side to side to cover all the
sections of the air exhaust vents.

You will likely get a nice cloud of dust expelled by the cooler... so
don´t do it near food or clean clothes... I always place the notebook
on a ceramic-cement-wood floor (never carpeted) while doing this
procedure. Makes cleaning up easier.

FC

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OT: ATX 4P power socket

[Christoph Höger]

Hi,

I finally proofed the ultimate stupid error may happen if you think you
know very well what you're doing:

I somehow broke my ATX 4P 12V Power Socket from my mb. 
It was fixed with a expanding plastic plug so there might be hope that
it was not soldered. 
Here's my question: Is there any hope to get such a socket as a
replacement part somewhere and try if repluging would help?

regards

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Re: CPU temperature Thinkpad R61

[Fernando Cassia]

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
> 2009/10/16 Christoph Höger :
>> Am Donnerstag, den 15.10.2009, 17:34 -0500 schrieb Mikkel:
>>> Christoph Höger wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > I just wondered why my fan always runs after a while. After closing
>>> > firefox (which took 50% cpu along with X) I now have a load of roughly
>>> > 0.06 - barely nothing computed at all. Both cores are in the lowest
>>> > config and yet my cpu temperature goes from 42°C to 47°C in roughly 2
>>> > minutes (and back by fan activity).
>>> >
>>> > I would understand this if there was some load, but what causes my CPU
>>> > to heat if it does nothing? Design failure? Has anybody seen such a
>>> > thing?
>>> >
>>> > regards
>>> >
>>> > Christoph
>>> >
>>> When was the last time you cleaned the dust out? Also are the air
>>> vents on the laptop clear when in use?
>>
>> I am aware of that dust thing (I am going to give a compressor a try),
>> but the heat goes up when the notebook and the fan is idle. That should
>> not have anything to do with dust, right?
>
> When computers are idle (but active, I mean NOT hibernating or
> suspended) it doesn´t mean the CPU fan stops completely. Sometimes
> those spin at very low rpm so you don´t "hear" it, but the fan IS
> spinning, albeit at very slow speed.
>
> If there´s dust inside the heatsink system, the fan spins slowly, but
> air doesn´t move inside, because of the dust. Hence temperature builds
> up until it reaches a certain threshold, which is when the system-bios
> increase fan speed to lower the temperature.
>
> Here´s what a totally clogged up notebook fan-heatsink looks like.
>
> http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/808/heatsinkuy8.jpg
>
> Obviously this is an extreme case. But that´s what it gets to
> eventually if you never blow compressed air to clean the very thin
> ducts inside.
> FC

By the way, when I say "air compressor" I mean one like these.
http://toolmonger.com/2006/05/31/home-use-air-compressor-on-a-budget/

These are small, have wheels, and can be easily moved around your
home/office and are small enough to be stored in a closet.

Before someone mentions compressed air, let me tell you that you
cannot match with a can of compressed air the cleaning power of the
air coming out of an air compressor. That´s what llows you to
completely clean a notebook cooler from the outside without ever
opening up your notebook (and as I said, you must do it with the
notebook powered up and functioning, otherwise the dust you remove
won´t be expelled out by the notebook´s own fans and air flow, but you
would be just moving dust inwards..

FC

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Re: CPU temperature Thinkpad R61

[Christoph Höger]

Am Freitag, den 16.10.2009, 07:18 -0300 schrieb Fernando Cassia:
> 2009/10/16 Christoph Höger :
> > Am Donnerstag, den 15.10.2009, 17:34 -0500 schrieb Mikkel:
> >> Christoph Höger wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > I just wondered why my fan always runs after a while. After closing
> >> > firefox (which took 50% cpu along with X) I now have a load of roughly
> >> > 0.06 - barely nothing computed at all. Both cores are in the lowest
> >> > config and yet my cpu temperature goes from 42°C to 47°C in roughly 2
> >> > minutes (and back by fan activity).
> >> >
> >> > I would understand this if there was some load, but what causes my CPU
> >> > to heat if it does nothing? Design failure? Has anybody seen such a
> >> > thing?
> >> >
> >> > regards
> >> >
> >> > Christoph
> >> >
> >> When was the last time you cleaned the dust out? Also are the air
> >> vents on the laptop clear when in use?
> >
> > I am aware of that dust thing (I am going to give a compressor a try),
> > but the heat goes up when the notebook and the fan is idle. That should
> > not have anything to do with dust, right?
> 
> When computers are idle (but active, I mean NOT hibernating or
> suspended) it doesn´t mean the CPU fan stops completely. Sometimes
> those spin at very low rpm so you don´t "hear" it, but the fan IS
> spinning, albeit at very slow speed.

My fan-o-meter tells me it's at 0 RPM - that's what I'd call idling. 

Strange thing is: I think the controller of that fan is in "learning
mode". In the early days, it used to prevent 50°+ at all cost, now it
even sometimes does not run at 53°. Is that some kind of ageing? 


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Re: CPU temperature Thinkpad R61

[Fernando Cassia]

2009/10/16 Christoph Höger :
> Am Donnerstag, den 15.10.2009, 17:34 -0500 schrieb Mikkel:
>> Christoph Höger wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I just wondered why my fan always runs after a while. After closing
>> > firefox (which took 50% cpu along with X) I now have a load of roughly
>> > 0.06 - barely nothing computed at all. Both cores are in the lowest
>> > config and yet my cpu temperature goes from 42°C to 47°C in roughly 2
>> > minutes (and back by fan activity).
>> >
>> > I would understand this if there was some load, but what causes my CPU
>> > to heat if it does nothing? Design failure? Has anybody seen such a
>> > thing?
>> >
>> > regards
>> >
>> > Christoph
>> >
>> When was the last time you cleaned the dust out? Also are the air
>> vents on the laptop clear when in use?
>
> I am aware of that dust thing (I am going to give a compressor a try),
> but the heat goes up when the notebook and the fan is idle. That should
> not have anything to do with dust, right?

When computers are idle (but active, I mean NOT hibernating or
suspended) it doesn´t mean the CPU fan stops completely. Sometimes
those spin at very low rpm so you don´t "hear" it, but the fan IS
spinning, albeit at very slow speed.

If there´s dust inside the heatsink system, the fan spins slowly, but
air doesn´t move inside, because of the dust. Hence temperature builds
up until it reaches a certain threshold, which is when the system-bios
increase fan speed to lower the temperature.

Here´s what a totally clogged up notebook fan-heatsink looks like.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/808/heatsinkuy8.jpg

Obviously this is an extreme case. But that´s what it gets to
eventually if you never blow compressed air to clean the very thin
ducts inside.
FC

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Re: F11: Spooky network manager

[lanas]

Le jeudi, 15 Oct 2009 17:57:39 -0700,
Craig White  a écrit :

> sounds to me like you already stored the AP's WPA key in your stored
> keyring and only need to enter the stored keyring password to handle
> the authentication.

Indeed.

> your problem isn't network manager, it's understanding what keyrings
> do and why they are useful (or in your case, making you crazy).
> 
> As user...
> 
> rm ~/.gnome2/keyrings/default.keyring

The only file in that directory is named login.keyring.

Is this keyring similar in concept to the KDE kwallet (I do not use
gnome at all - all users' first sessions are in KDE, gnome never
actually starts) ?  If so, I use kwallet everyday.  The nice think
about it is that there's an initialization phase at the very beginning
in which the user is asked to create a password.

With the keyring what I find is odd, is that it seemingly uses a
password that was never created by the user.  Or, a default password I
wouldn't try, like 'admin'.  I've entered all three passwords that I
created related to the laptop (several times to be sure I haven't made
any typos) and none satisfied the keyring master.  root, user and AP
passwords.  There are no other passwords related to this context.

> that gets you back to the start. Then the next time it asks you for a
> password for your 'keyring' - pay attention to what you enter. I think
> if you use the same password as your login, you don't have ever enter
> it again.

So, should I delete this login.keyring file ?  I'm porceeding with care
here since this laptop is a gift and the birthday is coming near.  I
wouldn't want to screw things up badly at this point.

In parallel I will try Aaron's suggestion and use the plain network
management utility.  I'd sure would like to use the latest technology,
though as it surely is better (sarcasm, a bit).

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Re: CPU temperature Thinkpad R61

[Christoph Höger]

Am Donnerstag, den 15.10.2009, 17:34 -0500 schrieb Mikkel:
> Christoph Höger wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I just wondered why my fan always runs after a while. After closing
> > firefox (which took 50% cpu along with X) I now have a load of roughly
> > 0.06 - barely nothing computed at all. Both cores are in the lowest
> > config and yet my cpu temperature goes from 42°C to 47°C in roughly 2
> > minutes (and back by fan activity).
> > 
> > I would understand this if there was some load, but what causes my CPU
> > to heat if it does nothing? Design failure? Has anybody seen such a
> > thing?
> > 
> > regards
> > 
> > Christoph
> > 
> When was the last time you cleaned the dust out? Also are the air
> vents on the laptop clear when in use?

I am aware of that dust thing (I am going to give a compressor a try),
but the heat goes up when the notebook and the fan is idle. That should
not have anything to do with dust, right?

regards

Christoph


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Re: bournal reviews please !?!

[kalinix]

On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 20:11 -0400, William Case wrote:

> Hi;
> 
> I just noticed the Bournal application that is new to me appear in the
> announcement list.
> 
> "Summary : Write personal, password-protected journal entries
> Description :
> Bournal is a bash script that allows you to keep a personal,
> minimalistic, password-protected journal, log, or diary. It
> includes encryption, regexp searches, and a date-sorted list
> for editing old entries. Since Bournal is pure bash, it should
> be easily editable for the CLI-savvy."
> 
> This sounds like something I have been looking for.  Is anybody using
> it?
> 
> I have checked their site and googled for additional information, but
> the main questions I have are not answered.
> 
> I want a encrypted, password protected, container/file into which I can
> store things like some personal data, site passwords, and bank account
> numbers and passwords.  I am not highly secrecy oriented or paranoid so
> I don't want or need something will completely lock down my computer or
> create a new partition.  Instead I want something that will let me have
> a modicum of protection from prying eyes, yet will give me easy access
> to my data when I forget something.  It doesn't have to be large, 1 Mb
> at the very most.  I want an application that will be around for a while
> so that I am not caught without access if the world changes.  That is
> why the idea of it being a bash script is appealing.
> 
> Has anybody used or worked with Bournal?  Do you think it meets my
> outlined light weight type needs?  Is it easy to work with?
> 
> -- 
> Regards Bill
> Fedora 11, Gnome 2.26.3
> Evo.2.26.3, Emacs 23.1.1
> 


I'm using vi with encryption. Not sure this is the best options, but
works for me.


Calin

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Re: NFSv4 setup?

[Jonathan Dieter]

On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 00:31 -0700, Mike Cloaked wrote:
> d) I was also hoping to see cases where nfs3 had been used and the sysadmin
> moved over to nfs4 - and then find what the problems, if any, where using
> version 4 rather than 3. Hopefully easier since a single port must be opened
> up in the firewall rather than multiple ports for nfs v3
> 
> I was also hoping to gauge whether there were many people who read this list
> who are nfs4 rather than 3 users - or whether the predominant use is still
> nfs3

FWIW, I've switched our school system over to nfs4 from nfs3 when I
deployed the Fedora 11 image.  There were two reasons:

* nfs3 file locking seriously sucks.  When someone opened OpenOffice,
had a  crash, and then attempted to open OpenOffice again, it would
segfault, no matter which computer was used.  The only solution was to
rm ~/.openoffice.org.  Some problem with firefox.
* There was nothing stopping random computers on the network from
connecting to the server.  With nfs4 being restricted to one port, I've
been able to turn on ipsec authentication for that port only.

There have been two problems with nfs4:

* Usernames now have to be matched using rpcidmapd where before all I
needed to do was make sure the UID's matched up (using LDAP).
* There is now some funky POSIX->NFS->POSIX acl conversion going on,
rather than the (admittedly hacked on) POSIX acls that were built-in to
nfs3.  It just means I can't see the acls on the client using standard
getfacl and setfacl tools.

Hope that helps.

Jonathan


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Re: NFSv4 setup?

[Mike Cloaked]

Mike Cloaked wrote:
> 
> 
> a) there are indeed a number of references around, but some refer to using
> portmap (like in your first ref), but I understand that this is deprecated
> in favour of rpcbind - and I believe that this is running by default in
> recent versions of Fedora.
> b) it is not clear whether there are any selinux gotchas so I was hoping
> that someone would respond saying that they had set up nfs server and
> client and that either it worked great, or that there were issues - and
> then say what the workarounds are, or refer to a link explaining how to
> deal with it.
> c) I was hoping to see a single article that included automounting nfs
> shares rather than permanently mounting them via fstab since for my use
> case I did not need to tie up resources except for short times when the
> nfs share was needed.
> d) I was also hoping to see cases where nfs3 had been used and the
> sysadmin moved over to nfs4 - and then find what the problems, if any,
> where using version 4 rather than 3. Hopefully easier since a single port
> must be opened up in the firewall rather than multiple ports for nfs v3
> 
> I was also hoping to gauge whether there were many people who read this
> list who are nfs4 rather than 3 users - or whether the predominant use is
> still nfs3
> 

Excuse the odd typo in the previous post - actually the linuxhomenetworking
link that google finds at 
http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch29_:_Remote_Disk_Access_with_NFS

is quite a good guide but does not mention selinux... perhaps selinux works
so transparently now that it does not need mentioning!
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Re: NFSv4 setup?

[Mike Cloaked]

Mail Lists-3 wrote:
> 
> 
>  AF:
>  -
>  Got the smiley but
> 
>   o) Your google is not even what the OP asked for ... at all.
> 
> 
>  Cloaked:
>  ---
>   o) I didnt find anything specific to F11 - however, nfs4 has been
> around a while - so it shud not need to be fedora (or f11) specific at
> all.
> 
>   o) here is a brief page or 2 (sorry for wrapped links)
> 
> http://fedoraunity.org/solved/post-install-solutions/nfsv4-fedora
> 
> http://www.novell.com/communities/node/3787/configuring-nfsv4-server-and-client-suse-linux-enterprise-server-10
> 
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NFSv4Howto
> 
> gene/
> 
> 

OK thanks - however one of the reasons that I asked the original question
was that
a) there are indeed a number of references around, but some refer to using
portmap (like in your first ref), but I understand that this is deprecated
in favour of rpcbind - and I believe that this is running by default in
recent versions of Fedora.
b) it is not clear whether there are any selinux gotchas so I was hoping
that someone would respond saying that they had set up nfs server and client
and that either it worked great, or that there were issues - and then say
what the workarounds are, or refer to a link explaining how to deal with it.
c) I was hoping to see a single article that included automounting nfs
shares rather than permanently mounting them via fstab since for my use case
I did not need to tie up resources except for short times when the nfs share
was needed.
d) I was also hoping to see cases where nfs3 had been used and the sysadmin
moved over to nfs4 - and then find what the problems, if any, where using
version 4 rather than 3. Hopefully easier since a single port must be opened
up in the firewall rather than multiple ports for nfs v3

I was also hoping to gauge whether there were many people who read this list
who are nfs4 rather than 3 users - or whether the predominant use is still
nfs3
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