Re: PATH Issues
On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 10:31 -0400, Sieranski, Greg wrote:
> Chris G wrote:
> > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:21:53AM -0400, Sieranski, Greg wrote:
> >
> >> I have the following in my .bash_profile
> >>
> >> CVS_RSH=ssh
> >> DAISY_HOME=$HOME/src/quoininc.com/daisy/projects/daisy-2.0.1
> >> EDITOR=/usr/bin/vim
> >> GREP_COLOR='1;32'
> >> JAVA_HOME=$HOME/opt/jdk1.6.0_06
> >> PATH=${JAVA_HOME}/bin:$HOME/opt/hg:/sbin:$HOME/bin:$PATH
> >>
> >> export CVSROOT
> >> export CVS_RSH
> >> export DAISY_HOME
> >> export EDITOR
> >> export GREP_COLOR
> >> export JAVA_HOME
> >> export PATH
> >>
> >> alias grep='grep --color=always'
> >> alias la='env LC_ALL=C ls --color=tty -I lost+found -Fla'
> >> alias ll='env LC_ALL=C ls --color=tty -I lost+found -Fl'
> >> alias ls='env LC_ALL=C ls --color=tty -I lost+found -F'
> >> alias vi=$EDITOR
> >>
> >> PS1="[\w] "
> >> case `id -u` in
> >> 0) PS1="${PS1}# ";;
> >> *) PS1="${PS1}$ ";;
> >> esac
> >>
> >>
> >> when I do echo $PATH I get:
> >>
> >> /home/gps/opt/jdk1.6.0_06/bin:/home/gps/opt/hg:/sbin:/home/gps/bin:/home/gps/opt/jdk1.6.0_06/bin:/home/gps/opt/hg:/sbin:/home/gps/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
> >>
> >> if you notice I have the jdk, hg , ~/bin being added to the path twice.
> >> Does anyone know why this is happening?
> >>
> >>
> > I think you'll find that ~/bin at least is added by the default
> > profile scripts in /etc. Maybe the others are too by some additions
> > made when you install java etc.
> >
> >
> I removed everything from the PATH so it's just PATH=$PATH and now I get
> the following:
>
> /home/gps/opt/jdk1.6.0_06/bin:/home/gps/opt/hg:/sbin:/home/gps/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
>
> which is what I wanted. I just don't understand how it is able to find
> these without explicitly specifying them in the PATH??
>
> Thanks,
> Greg Sieranski
>
Check the paths added in /etc/profile.
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Writing CD is driving me crazy.using xcdroast
I have done his before but I can't do it now. I start xcdroast and go though the setup. My CD device is found. I then I go to Master Tracks and my CD device is indicated. I set up the session I want to burn but at the top of the display it indicates no CD Loaded. Sure enough when I got to burn the CD on the fly I get a message there is no CD in the drive. I can see the Blank CD on my desktop. This works in WinXP. Where have I gone wrong? -- === Never tell people how to do things. Tell them WHAT to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity. -- Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: wireless fc8 dell latitude d400
On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 19:41 -1000, Dave Burns wrote: > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Dave Burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Is there a canonical source to RTFM? Googling gets a million hits, > no > >> relevance so far. > >> > >> I am trying to connect to a WEP network. I left click on the > >> NetworkManger icon upper right, select 'connect to other wireless > >> network', it opens a dialog, I type in network name, select 128 bit > >> wep and enter the key, hit connect. log contents after that: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail]# tail /var/log/messages [...] > >> > > > > Hey, man, many of us have been there. > > > > Can I ask some basics? > > > > 1. Can you connect to ANY wireless networks, ones without WEP or > other > > encryption? > > The WEP is the only network I have access to. Some questions. You d have NM on and network and wpa_supplicant off? When you left click on nm-applet do you not see a list of available APs ? Is the ESSID for your WEP AP hidden? -- ======= You will attract cultured and artistic people to your home. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Touchpad on Dell
On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 18:10 -0400, William Burrows wrote: > The touchpad is still useless. Did I do it correctly? Is there anything I > should remove? Thanks This is what the single clause looks like on my DELL D810 Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Synaptics" Driver "synaptics" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "yes" Option "LeftEdge" "120" Option "RightEdge" "830" Option "TopEdge" "120" Option "BottomEdge" "650" Option "FingerLow" "14" Option "FingerHigh" "15" Option "MaxTapMove" "110" Option "VertScrollDelta" "20" Option "HorizScrollDelta" "20" Option "MinSpeed" "0.3" Option "MaxSpeed" "0.75" EndSection -- === How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat? -- Pink Floyd === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Writing CD is driving me crazy.using xcdroast
On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 10:22 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Thursday 22 May 2008 22:30, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > I have done his before but I can't do it now. > > > > I start xcdroast and go though the setup. My CD device is found. > > I then I go to Master Tracks and my CD device is indicated. > > I set up the session I want to burn but at the top of the display it > > indicates no CD Loaded. > > > > Sure enough when I got to burn the CD on the fly I get a message there > > is no CD in the drive. I can see the Blank CD on my desktop. > > > > This works in WinXP. Where have I gone wrong? > > > Have you checked that the CD isn't mounted? It may be the wrong error > message. I think you have to have the CD available but not mounted before > you can burn. > > Anne > I thought of that.. But How do you check if the CD is mounted? I unchecked the two options under Preferences->Hardware->Removable Drives and Media that seem to be related to that. Running mount does not show the CD mounted but I still see the image of thew CD on the Desktop. So I am stumped. Any further help out there? k3b does the same thing.. -- === Yow! It's some people inside the wall! This is better than mopping! === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Writing CD is driving me crazy.using xcdroast
On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 11:40 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 09:54 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 10:22 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > > > On Thursday 22 May 2008 22:30, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > > I have done his before but I can't do it now. > > > > > > > > I start xcdroast and go though the setup. My CD device is found. > > > > I then I go to Master Tracks and my CD device is indicated. > > > > I set up the session I want to burn but at the top of the display it > > > > indicates no CD Loaded. > > > > > > > > Sure enough when I got to burn the CD on the fly I get a message there > > > > is no CD in the drive. I can see the Blank CD on my desktop. > > > > > > > > This works in WinXP. Where have I gone wrong? > > > > > > > Have you checked that the CD isn't mounted? It may be the wrong error > > > message. I think you have to have the CD available but not mounted > > > before > > > you can burn. > > > > > > Anne > > > > > I thought of that.. But How do you check if the CD is mounted? > > I unchecked the two options under Preferences->Hardware->Removable Drives > > and Media > > that seem to be related to that. > > Running mount does not show the CD mounted but I still see the image of > > thew CD on the Desktop. So I am stumped. Any further help out there? k3b > > does the same thing.. > > Really stupid question: are you sure the CD is in a burner and not > simply a reader? Does k3b say "no media present" in the top left corner, > or does it simply fail when you try to do a burn? > > poc > Well its a CD burner. Now the partial good news. k3b now works but xcdroast does not as described above.. Which still leaves the mystery. I don't know what I did to make k3b work and I still am frustrated about xcdroast. -- === I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half. -- Jay Gould === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Writing CD is driving me crazy.using xcdroast
On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 17:19 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Friday 23 May 2008 15:54:36 Aaron Konstam wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 10:22 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > > > On Thursday 22 May 2008 22:30, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > > I have done his before but I can't do it now. > > > > > > > > I start xcdroast and go though the setup. My CD device is found. > > > > I then I go to Master Tracks and my CD device is indicated. > > > > I set up the session I want to burn but at the top of the display it > > > > indicates no CD Loaded. > > > > > > > > Sure enough when I got to burn the CD on the fly I get a message there > > > > is no CD in the drive. I can see the Blank CD on my desktop. > > > > > > > > This works in WinXP. Where have I gone wrong? > > > > > > Have you checked that the CD isn't mounted? It may be the wrong error > > > message. I think you have to have the CD available but not mounted > > > before you can burn. > > > > > > Anne > > > > I thought of that.. But How do you check if the CD is mounted? > > I unchecked the two options under Preferences->Hardware->Removable Drives > > and Media that seem to be related to that. > > Running mount does not show the CD mounted but I still see the image of > > thew CD on the Desktop. So I am stumped. Any further help out there? k3b > > does the same thing.. > > > You said you can see the blank CD on the desktop? A right-click should offer > to mount or umount, depending on current status. > > Anne No there is no mount option and there cannot be, since the blank disk has no filesystem so it cannot be mounted in the ordinary way. -- === An air of FRENCH FRIES permeates my nostrils!! === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Writing CD is driving me crazy.using xcdroast
On Sat, 2008-05-24 at 01:55 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 17:19 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > > You said you can see the blank CD on the desktop? A right-click > > should offer to mount or umount, depending on current status. > > You can't mount a blank disc, it's impossible... > > An icon for a blank disc isn't actually a mounted disc, it's just an > icon for doing something with the disc. > > -- You are right again. II realized that later. -- === Spock: The odds of surviving another attack are 13562190123 to 1, Captain. ======= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Writing CD is driving me crazy.using xcdroast
On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 22:52 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 23 May 2008 09:54:36 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 10:22 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > > > On Thursday 22 May 2008 22:30, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > > I have done his before but I can't do it now. > > > > > > > > I start xcdroast and go though the setup. My CD device is found. > > > > I then I go to Master Tracks and my CD device is indicated. > > > > I set up the session I want to burn but at the top of the display it > > > > indicates no CD Loaded. > > > > > > > > Sure enough when I got to burn the CD on the fly I get a message there > > > > is no CD in the drive. I can see the Blank CD on my desktop. > > Strange. A "blank CD" usually does not contain a filesystem. Therefore > it cannot be mounted and does not appear on your desktop. Only media > with filesystems are auto-mounted. > > > Running mount does not show the CD mounted but I still see the image of > > thew CD on the Desktop. > > Example, please. If you view the right-click properties of the CD image > on the desktop, what information do you get? What does "mount" show > about the mounted filesystem? As I said in a previous e-mail I now realize you can't mount a Blank CD. k3b still works and xcdroast doesn't. Very strange but now I can burn a CD which is progress. Thanks to all. -- =========== You're always thinking you're gonna be the one that makes 'em === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Root's Mail
On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 12:09 -0700, Ed Warner wrote: > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:15:05 -0400 > From: "Mark Haney" > Subject: Re: Root's Mail > To: "For users of Fedora" > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > Ed Warner wrote: > > I can not retrieve root's mail by typing "mail" from a > command prompt, either by logging in as root or su. > > I have added my username as an alias for root but still not > able. The folder for mail is there, just comes back as "no > mail for root" > > Any ideas? > > > > > > Uh, is it possible there is no mail for root? > > > -- > Libenter homines id quod volunt credunt -- Caius Julius Caesar > > > Mark Haney > Sr. Systems Administrator > ERC Broadband > (828) 350-2415 > > Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support > > Don't think so. The folder does contain mail. 1. If root is aliasewd to oyur user name you will get roots mail. 2. have you tried: mail -u, as root -- === It is a hard matter, my fellow citizens, to argue with the belly, since it has no ears. -- Marcus Porcius Cato === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9: NetworkManager WEP for ATT 2701HG-B 2Wire router??
On Sat, 2008-05-24 at 17:45 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > sean darcy wrote: > > > Using ATT dsl, with their 2Wire 2701HG-B router. The bottom of the > > router shows a 10-digit number, described in the manual as a WEP "64-bit > > Hex value" > > > > The drop down box in the NM "Wireless Network Secrets Required" dialog > > only provides for hex in "WEP 40/128", and putting in the 10-digit Hex > > doesn't work. > > > > Anybody got this to work? > > I use a 10-digit hex WEP code with NM, and it works fine. > It didn't use to, but it suddenly started working a few weeks ago. > I assumed it was some Fedora update, but never checked - > I was just grateful to find it working! > > I'm using an Orinoco Gold PCMCIA card on my ThinkPad T23 Generally the nm-applet allows for three formats of passwd. Pass phrase, hex code and ASCII string. The AT&T DSL standard is a 10 digit hex code, but this can be changed in the web interface to the router at 192.168.1.254 -- === Churchill's Commentary on Man: Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Weirdness with Fedora/XP upgrade -- update
On Sat, 2008-05-24 at 20:55 +, Beartooth Sciurivore wrote: > On Fri, 23 May 2008 20:01:59 +, Beartooth Sciurivore wrote: > > [] > > So I put in the DVD from which I had successfully gotten F9 onto > > three machines, and told XP to reboot. > > > > It has done the same thing -- gone through the first few steps, > > only to sit there with a blank white screen. > > > > The monitor is new, a HP w2207h 1680x1050; but the other two PCs > > manage with it, both behind a KVM switch and directly connected. And the > > dual-boot machine is much the newest! > > > > What could be doing this, and how do I fix it?? > > I tried again, with the known good DVD and the known good > external USB DVD-drive. It did it again, and I let it go all night. Next > morning (today), still bare white screen. > > I rebooted, and established that it still did boot fine into F8 > as well as XP. > > I tried it yet another time, using text mode. All went smoothly, > up to the point of installing Tomboy -- which it shouldn't install in an > upgrade, since that isn't in my F8. Are you sure it is tue that onnly programs that are in F8 are installed in F9 if you do an upgrade? > -- === You will gain money by an illegal action. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New kernels do not work.
On Sun, 2008-05-25 at 07:03 +0300, Antti J. Huhtala wrote: > la, 2008-05-24 kello 15:52 -0400, Steve kirjoitti: > > "Antti J. Huhtala" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > pe, 2008-05-23 kello 05:47 +0300, Antti J. Huhtala kirjoitti: > > > > to, 2008-05-22 kello 19:15 -0400, slamp slamp kirjoitti: > > > > > Please help. PC stuck in grub> prompt. > > > > > > > > > The latest kernel update 2.6.25.3-18.fc9 - or one of the 199 files > > > > updated at the same time - rewrote grub.conf so that (in my case) the > > > > line which should have read: > > > > > > > > kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.25.3-18.fc9.x86_64 ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 > > > > rhgb quiet > > > > > > > > actually read: > > > > > > > > kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.25.3-18.fc9.x86_64 ro > > > > root=UUID=ab562fb5-0a9a-4458-9f30-61c8a23f774a rhgb quiet > > > > > > > > Somehow my /dev/VolGroup... had been changed to UUID=... > > > > > > > > The same error had been applied to the previous kernel (2.6.25-14.fc9) > > > > so that neither would boot. > > > > > > > Bugzilla # 448132. > > > > I have the same problem except that correcting my grub.conf file did not > > help. I'm still stuck with just GRUB showing on the screen. Also I did not > > get any sounds. > > > > Any futher suggestions? > > > Sorry, looking back at my cryptic hand-written notes I realize I forgot > to mention that I ran 'grub-install' before editing grub.conf. On the > basis of time-stamps of the files in /boot/grub, almost all files were > rewritten but grub.conf was not. My notes don't record whether I tried > rebooting after running grub-install but IIRC I probably did. I seem to > recollect that I was still stuck at "GRUB". > Therefore I edited grub.conf and tried again. This time reboot worked > for me so I didn't delve into it further. > Whether the real remedy was running grub-install or editing grub.conf > *or both*, I don't know. The fact remains I'm typing this with 'fully' > operational F9 system. > > Antti > > Running grub-install should just re-install the boot block. Changing grub.conf should not need another grub-install. -- === Disraeli was pretty close: actually, there are Lies, Damn lies, Statistics, Benchmarks, and Delivery dates. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: what kind of /etc/fstab is this?
On Sun, 2008-05-25 at 12:18 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Amadeus W.M. wrote: > > I'm not convinced about the utility of having schizophrenic > > partition labels upon install, with no other option. How many people > > run several unixes on the same computer? 5% maybe? Then maybe they > > should be given the option to have ugly labels, and let the rest of > > us have pretty labels by default. > > The problem has little to do with running other systems. Even on the > same fedora install, the device names are not guaranteed to remain > constant. So either a label or uuid is the safe way to refer to the > partition in fstab. For the installer, uuid is better, since the > labels it writes are not really all that unique (LABEL=/ comes up a > lot :). But how do oyu find the correct UUID label? -- === The difference between this place and yogurt is that yogurt has a live culture. ======= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: should I bugzilla xcdroast
On Tue, 2008-05-27 at 11:50 -0400, John Aldrich wrote: > On Tuesday 27 May 2008, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > As I said last week I can not get xcdroast to work in f7 or f8. No > > matter what I do xcdroast reports that No CD Loaded. k3b however works. > > > > So before a bugzilla on this problem a question. > > Has anyone gotten xcdroast to work on f7 or f8? Does it work on f9? > > If it works for you are there any tips you want to share? > > > What I had to do in FC6 and previous versions was to "chmod +s" on the > XCDRoast executable. I know it's a "security risk" but dang it, I want to be > able to burn CDs without having to be root! I believe the original (as in > tarball version) XCD Roast does not need to be run as root or SUID root. > I assume you are indicating you ran xcdroast in f7 and f8. In f7 it can't be done with making the program suid root. You get the following error: (process:3813): Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setgid. This is not a supported use of GTK+. You must create a helper program instead. For further details, see: http://www.gtk.org/setuid.html Refusing to initialize GTK+. -- === There are no great men, buster. There are only men. -- Elaine Stewart, "The Bad and the Beautiful" === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: PGP signatures.
On Tue, 2008-05-27 at 14:51 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > On Tuesday 27 May 2008, Mike Chambers wrote: > >> Accoring to evo (Unless it's not pointing to a correct place), > >> yours isn't public neither :P > >> > >> gpg: armor header: Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > >> gpg: Signature made Tue 27 May 2008 10:43:15 AM CDT using DSA key ID > >> 6DC9C8C4 > >> gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found > > > > kmail says it cant be found either > > Do you guys have "keyserver-options auto-key-retrieve" in > ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf? (Or do evo and kmail ignore gpg.conf and retrieve > keys automatically regarless?) > > Also, what keyserver are you using? The gnupg default these days is > subkeys.pgp.net, which finds Mikkel's key no problem. Trying with > pgp.mit.edu (which many people still use despite it being broken with > subkeys and not support photo-packets) finds the key as well, but a > bit slower. I have the file set up as you indicate and evolution indicates the key is invalid. Maybe its evolutions fault. -- ======= Immanuel Kant but Kubla Khan. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: should I bugzilla xcdroast
On Tue, 2008-05-27 at 17:12 +0100, Bill Crawford wrote: > 2008/5/27 John Aldrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > What I had to do in FC6 and previous versions was to "chmod +s" on the > > XCDRoast executable. I know it's a "security risk" but dang it, I want to be > > able to burn CDs without having to be root! I believe the original (as in > > tarball version) XCD Roast does not need to be run as root or SUID root. > > I found allowing RT priorities and large mlock() in > /etc/security/limits.conf fixed most or all of my disc burning issues > without needing setuid on binaries. YMMV, but something like: > > * hardrtprio 100 > * hardmemlock 32768 > > and I repeated for "soft" to make sure it was there by default, but I > don't think that's actually necessary. Something similar is/was done > for jack a while back. > I made the changes you indicate . xcdroast still does not work. You are doing this with f7, f8 or f9? Any further ideas out there? -- === Murphy's Laws: (1) If anything can go wrong, it will. (2) Nothing is as easy as it looks. (3) Everything takes longer than you think it will. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: PGP signatures.
On Tue, 2008-05-27 at 22:10 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Aaron Konstam wrote: > > I have the file set up as you indicate and evolution indicates the > > key is invalid. Maybe its evolutions fault. > > The issue that I was responding to was getting the key automatically > retrieved from a keyserver. That is a separate issue from validating > the key. If evolution tells you that the key is invalid, it would > indicate to me that it did retrieve the key correctly. It then could > not find any trusted signatures on that key, thus the key is > "invalid." > > For a key to be valid, it needs to be signed by a key to which you > have given sufficient trust. Your own key is ultimately trusted. You > can assign various levels of trust to other keys (once they have been > signed by a trusted key). By default, gpg will consider a key valid > if it signed by at least one fully or ultimately trusted key, or by 3 > or more marginally trusted keys. Ok, I agree with your analysis. It can't be ruled as invalid if had not been retrieved. But I am ignorant. I do not know how to do the signing processes you describe. Is there a simple explanation available? -- === Beware of the Turing Tar-pit in which everything is possible but nothing of interest is easy. ======= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: should I bugzilla xcdroast
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 11:20 +0100, Bill Crawford wrote: > 2008/5/27 Aaron Konstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I made the changes you indicate . xcdroast still does not work. > > You are doing this with f7, f8 or f9? > > This was F8, not tried since I updated to F9 (don't burn many discs). > > Did you log out and in again? It's only set when you log in (and > knowing my luck, it's probably been superceded by some PoKicylit or > ConKolesit mechanism. > I rebooted and that did not help. I am just confused. -- === A hundred thousand lemmings can't be wrong! =========== Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: PGP signatures.
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 16:48 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > gpg --list-keys 1E1C9C17 This does not work for me. -- === genealogy, n.: An account of one's descent from an ancestor who did not particularly care to trace his own. -- Ambrose Bierce === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: how to find WEP/WPA key to network if possible
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 21:06 -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: > > Well, my experience is that I've help to configure 2 different > laptops > under windows xp, and in both cases, the wireless key was available > from > the configuration tool in plain text. YMMV. If the wireless key is readily available is is not much of a security feature. In Linux if you have the keyring manager installed some one else who has used the AP can retrieve the passwd from his keyring and give it to you. In WEP that should work without a problem in the WPA we use at school the passwd is tied to the login passwd so I suspect the other person would not want to reveal it. There is no sense having APs secured by passwds that are readily available to any user. The system manager must be involved. It is true that for home DSL systems the passwd is available in the router's web page but again it is passwd protected by a router passwd. -- === There's no saint like a reformed sinner. =========== Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: how to find WEP/WPA key to network if possible
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 16:46 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: > > - Original Message > > From: Frank Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: For users of Fedora > > Cc: Antonio Olivares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 6:31:56 PM > > Subject: Re: how to find WEP/WPA key to network if possible > > > > On Wed, 28 May 2008 16:22:55 -0700 (PDT) > > Antonio Olivares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > How does one get a KEY to a secured network that could be WEP/WPA? > > > > The purpose of WEP or WPA is to insure (to the extent possible) that only > > authorized computers (with keys) can use the network. > > > > The proper way to obtain a key is to approach the person who is in charge of > > the network and request authorization. If he approves, he will issue you > > the > > required key. > > > > -- > > MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com > > The guy is on vacation, A teacher needs to connect to the network to teach a > lesson. Nothing illegal or bad. Otherwise I would not ask this question. I > do not want to use unauthorized network without permission. I can ask > permission from Administration, but the guy that knows the key is not here. > If there is no way to do it, then I rest my case! The person can die and > then the key is lost to the network. There has to be a way to do it. The > computer could access the network before. it was set up by wireless dhcp, but > now someone who manages the network put a key and many users(teachers) cannot > access the internet. The person that takes care of that is on vacation. Is > there a way or not? > That is all that I am asking. > Thanks, > Antonio Despite what others are saying in general the answer is no. It is equivalent to asking how oyu can login to an account someone who is not available to give you his passwd. The answer is you can't without resorting to hacking. -- === Progress is impossible without change, and those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything. -- G.B. Shaw === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: how to find WEP/WPA key to network if possible
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 23:23 -0400, max wrote: > > WEP is easily broken in under 5 minutes with the right tools. There > are > plenty of how-to's strewn across the net You can't break the WEP key unless someone is currently communicating on the connection. Find aircrack and try it. -- === Fanaticism consists of redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim. -- George Santayana ======= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: problem with totem
On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 11:29 +0530, Amitakhya Phukan wrote: > hi all! > > totem has suddenly stopped its sound output. any help ? it is a recently > updated f9 box. If its available for f9 from livna I would replace totem by totem-xine. The executable is still called totem -- === If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. =========== Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: PGP signatures.
On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 11:07 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > Aaron Konstam wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 16:48 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > >> gpg --list-keys 1E1C9C17 > > This does not work for me. > > > Do you have her key in your key ring? If not, you have to run > gpg --recv-keys 1E1C9C17 > first. > > Mikkel When I run: gpg --recv-keys 1E1C9C17 I get the following message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ gpg --recv-keys 1E1C9C17 gpg: requesting key 1E1C9C17 from http server subkeys.pgp.net gpgkeys: no key data found for http://subkeys.pgp.net/ gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. gpg: Total number processed: 0 Let me share that to me the whole discussion of PGP signatures was very unenlightening. I have no idea how to sign e-mail or validate a pgp signed e-mail All the discussion seemed to me to be aimed at people who knew all about this. Before anyone gets offended let me admit you might reply RTFM. === Character is what you are in the dark! -- Lord John Whorfin =========== Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: problem with totem
On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 12:24 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 10:11 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 11:29 +0530, Amitakhya Phukan wrote: > > > hi all! > > > > > > totem has suddenly stopped its sound output. any help ? it is a > recently > > > updated f9 box. > > If its available for f9 from livna I would replace totem by > totem-xine. > > The executable is still called totem > > There is a totem-xine for F9 in Fedora, which consists of a single > library. The description is "This package provides the xine backend > for > the Totem media player." I don't know if it's the same as the Livna > one. > > poc I don't know either , but I do know totem has never worked for me and totem-xine from livna did. -- ======= Immanuel doesn't pun, he Kant. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: PGP signatures.
On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 15:54 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > Aaron Konstam wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 11:07 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > >> Aaron Konstam wrote: > >>> On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 16:48 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > >>>> gpg --list-keys 1E1C9C17 > >>> This does not work for me. > >>> > >> Do you have her key in your key ring? If not, you have to run > >> gpg --recv-keys 1E1C9C17 > >> first. > >> > >> Mikkel > > When I run: gpg --recv-keys 1E1C9C17 > > > > > > I get the following message: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ gpg --recv-keys 1E1C9C17 > > gpg: requesting key 1E1C9C17 from http server subkeys.pgp.net > > gpgkeys: no key data found for http://subkeys.pgp.net/ > > gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. > > gpg: Total number processed: 0 > > > It looks like ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf may not have the keyservers > configured correctly. I know I kept the same config file through > several updates, and the keyservers were no longer valid. I am not > sure if hkp://subkeys.pgp.net would work. I am using: > keyserver hkp://wwwkeys.us.pgp.net > You are absolutely correct. When I thought about it I realizwed that ther server I want is: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net/ not http://subkeys.pgp.net/, With that change the command works.. My bad. -- ======= The best audience is intelligent, well-educated and a little drunk. -- Maurice Baring === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: gecko-mediaplayer?
On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 18:05 -0700, Knute Johnson wrote: > I installed F9 and was trying to listen to my favorite radio station > but I couldn't find mplayerplug-in. Some of you said to get > gecko-mediaplayer instead. I downloaded it with no problems and it > shows up in the plugins list but it doesn't work. There is also a > Mozplugger at the top that appears not to be configured properly. > > > MozPlugger 1.10.1 handles QuickTime and Windows Media Player Plugin > File name: nswrapper_32_32.mozplugger.so > MozPlugger version 1.10.1, written by Fredrik Hübinette, Louis > Bavoil and Peter Leese. > For documentation on how to configure mozplugger, check the > man page. (type man mozplugger) > Configuration file: > Not found! > Helper binary: > Not found! > Controller binary: > Not found! > It lists al the mime types below this and they are all enabled. Any > ideas where to start trying to figure out why it doesn't work? > > Thanks, > > knute... Using mozplugger or mozpluggerrc is a completely different way to get your firefox to recognize file-types than using plugins in: /usr/lib/mozilla/pluggins or /usr/lib/firefox.../plugins or for that matter using Firefox:Edit->Preferences->Content-> Manage These alternate ways to accomplish the same thing is one of the confusing things about firefox. -- === I had pancake makeup for brunch! === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: gecko-mediaplayer?
On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 10:41 -0700, Knute Johnson wrote: > Knute Johnson wrote: > > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > >> Try removing mozplugger. I don't have it and am not sure it's necessary > >> (plus it's apparently not configured correctly). Since it's at the top > >> of the plugin list it might be interfering with gecko-mediaplayer. > >> > >> poc Ok, you are having real problems and it is time to get serious about your problem. What do mean about mozplugger being on top of your plugin list? Please tell me again what media you are trying to play? Now do this. Open firefox and go to: about:config. Change the configuration: browser.download.hide_plugins_without_extentions from true to false. Now I have never tried this on firefox in F9 but it is worth trying. Now under Edit->preferences->content there should be something on the bottom half of the page (Manage in earlier firefoxes) which when clicked on will allow you to choose what program or plugin will be used for each kind of mime.type. That might help you solve your problem. > >> > > > > Thanks, I'll try that. > > > > I removed mozplugger and I'm closer but not working yet. The player > loads and it starts but the reports stopped almost immediately. Below > is the output from firefox -debug. Any further ideas greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > knute... -- =========== Only God can make random selections. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Why!! does End Session default to Runlevel 3
On Sat, 2008-05-31 at 10:19 -0400, Jim wrote: > g wrote: > > not to be pendant. > > > > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > >> On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 23:54 +, g wrote: > >>>> # Run xdm in runlevel 5 > > > > from 'man xdm': > > > > DESCRIPTION > >Xdm manages a collection of X displays, which may be on the > > local host > >or remote servers. > > > >>>> x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon > > > > which you defined. > > > > and i should have cut out and followed with, > > > >>> tells what you have for 'x-windows' manager. > > > > assuming, you wrote, > > > >> Pedantry alert: > > > > and replied with information of, > > > >> prefdm configures the *desktop* manager (KDE, Gnome, > >> whatever), of which the X window manager is just a part (usually kwm or > >> metacity for KDE and Gnome respectively). > > > > which i agree too. > > > > > > any way, jim boots level 3 and rex boots level 5, and why difference. > > > > > > > If the computer is off and I boot up it always goes to the Login Windows > and I login and go into desktop. > But when I do a END SESSION, thats when it drops to Runlevel 3 , > instead of going back to Login Window. > It just hit me. What do you mean by doing an end session? Where is such a command located? Why are you not logging off? If you really manage to end the session I am not surprised you are in run level3. -- === If the shoe fits, it's ugly. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: no more ddcprobe? where is /etc/sysconfig/hwconf? is kudzu gone?
On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 17:40 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Can anyone tell me what tool have replaced ddcprobe? Also where I > > could look for my hardware I used to look in /etc/sysconfig/hwconf, > > now I can't find it? > > Does kudzu still being used on FC9? I have it on my CentOS boxes but > > not on my FC9's? Thanks > > Kudzu is not used in Fedora 9. HAL has superseded it. > > Rahul > Which only answers half the questions. What does one use in place of ddcprobe? Is the implication that lshal is how one gets the identity of the hardware in F9? -- === Experience is the worst teacher. It always gives the test first and the instruction afterward. ======= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Slightly OT: Verify certificate?
On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 11:01 +, g wrote: > Anne Wilson wrote: > > Ctrl-u does nothing, but the headers show that it is an S/MIME signature. > > I'm > > out most of today, but maybe google will help when I get back. > > with thunderbird and evolution, opens 'current' or 'highlighted' > email in a 'simple editor' and can view email unformatted. ie, 'headed', > 'body', 'html', or 'encoded'. > > i would think kmail would also. may be thru different approach from menu, > maybe 'view'. > I am wondering how you know that ctrl-u does what you say, and it does? That key choice does not appear in the evolution reference card. . -- === Suspicion always haunts the guilty mind. -- Wm. Shakespeare === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Slightly OT: Verify certificate?
On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 08:07 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 11:01 +, g wrote: > > Anne Wilson wrote: > > > Ctrl-u does nothing, but the headers show that it is an S/MIME signature. > > > I'm > > > out most of today, but maybe google will help when I get back. > > > > with thunderbird and evolution, opens 'current' or 'highlighted' > > email in a 'simple editor' and can view email unformatted. ie, 'headed', > > 'body', 'html', or 'encoded'. > > > > i would think kmail would also. may be thru different approach from menu, > > maybe 'view'. > > > I am wondering how you know that ctrl-u does what you say, and it does? > That key choice does not appear in the evolution reference card. > . Never mind . I found it in the View menu. -- === The IBM 2250 is impressive ... if you compare it with a system selling for a tenth its price. -- D. Cohen === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: laptop fc7 with NetworkManager couldnt find wired ip
On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 08:21 -1000, Dave Burns wrote:
> There is a weird incompatibility between NetworkManager and network,
> not well documented anywhere I know about. I am in a similar position,
> can use either wireless or wired but have to do a whole reconfig to
> switch between the two. I'd explain it to you if I understood it.
On my laptop switching from wireless to wired in f7 is seamless. Why do
you need to provide a DHCP server? A server should be available to your
machine as soon as you start your connection.
>
> On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 7:07 AM, jackson byers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > on new laptop, with fc7
> > NetworkManager in charge
> > couldnt get on network with wired connection to router
> > ifconfig kept givingeth0 169.254.
> >
> > finally from google search on 169.
> > DHCP Considerations
> >
> > DHCP clients automatically give their NICs and IP address starting
> > with 169.254.x.x until they can make contact with their DHCP server.
> > When contact is made they reconfigure their IP addresses to the values
> > provided by the DHC server. An interface with a 169.254.x.x address
> > signifies a failure to communicate with the DHCP server. Check your
> > cabling, routing and DHCP server configuration to rectify such a
> > problem.
> >
> > ok at least then i knew the 169.xx was a standard
> > but i was prettty sure my wiring was ok
> > basically dslmodem-linksysrouter- lanside
> > - 2desktops static ips working for years, fc5 and an imacg5.
> >
> > But now the fc7 laptop also wired connecition, but trying to connect via
> > dhcp
> > which was evidently my problem.
> >
> > Maybe not surprising since I have been strictly static ip based up until
> > now.
> > It has been years since i did any configure steps on the router
> > and i have probably misplaced any cd that came with it.
> > So i wasnt at all sure at how to go about trying to "wake up" my router
> > to dhcp requests
> >
> > I finally found in carla schroder linux cookbook a complete example
> > for "setting up a dhcp server" which i used on the laptop,
> > altho i wasnt at all sure this would help me "wake up" my router to
> > dhcp requests.
> > I put in following file
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc]# cat dhcpd.conf
> >
> > default-lease-time 259200;
> > max-lease-time 518400;
> >
> > subnet 192.168.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
> > option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
> > option broadcast-address 192.168.2.255;
> > option routers 192.168.2.1;
> > range 192.168.2.90 192.168.2.150;
> > option domain-name-servers 206.13.28.12 206.13.31.12;
> > }
> >
> > (As an aside, I would _never_ have figured out all of that syntax from
> > the various dhcp,dhclient man pages)
> >
> >
> > and rebooted the laptop
> > I had to fuss a bit more:
> > in order for eth0 to get its new dhcp assigned ip, it
> > seemed to also require taking the ethernet cable out and back in.
> > But now the laptop is on the net with dhcp working, and surviving reboots.
> >
> > Questions:
> > 1)Is what i did overkill? I think it means i made the laptop itself
> > the dhcp server.
> > Its working, but i would like some feedback from the list
> >
> > 2) what steps would i need to instead try to kick the router into
> > doing the dhcp?
> > Several months ago my vendor had me jumping thru hoops using dhclient
> > and some combo, including taking cable out/back in,
> > eventually got the wired eth0 working.
> > But then family health problemsetc intervened and I just abandoned the
> > laptop
> > until now.
> > Any hints re use of dhclient?
> >
> > 3) any one else needing to take ethernet cables out and then back in to
> > make connections come alive?
> >
> > any/all comments appreciated
> > Jack
> >
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Re: laptop fc7 with NetworkManager couldnt find wired ip
On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 12:43 -1000, Dave Burns wrote: > On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Aaron Konstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 08:21 -1000, Dave Burns wrote: > >> There is a weird incompatibility between NetworkManager and network, > >> not well documented anywhere I know about. I am in a similar position, > >> can use either wireless or wired but have to do a whole reconfig to > >> switch between the two. I'd explain it to you if I understood it. > > > > On my laptop switching from wireless to wired in f7 is seamless. > > > > >Why do > > you need to provide a DHCP server? > > Is this addressed to the OP or to me? > > >A server should be available to your > > machine as soon as you start your connection. > > I have no problem with the DHCP server. But I had to go through a long > struggle of turning off services and fiddling with drivers and making > sure network did not start wired networking on boot etc. to get > wireless to work on the laptop. At that point it would no longer do > wired. I assume I can retrace my steps to where wired worked and > wireless did not. Trudging through the official NetworkManager docs, > I found no mention of the various secret tricks I saw suggested on > this list and that finally got my wireless going. Maybe my RTFM is > inadequate, I have to cop to being impatient, but it all seemed to be > "install rpm for NM, 123, tra la la, you're done, wireless should work > now" without mentioning the various tricks I had to try. There are > several threads in the archives where people try to help someone > troubleshoot NM and wireless, but it seems highly manufacturer and > even model dependent. I guess if it "just works" for you, be happy. > Dave > Ok, I assume you have the network file in /etc/init.d turned off. If not you should if you want NM to work as advertised. -- ======= I am so optimistic about beef prices that I've just leased a pot roast with an option to buy. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: laptop fc7 with NetworkManager couldnt find wired ip-correction
On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 08:29 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 12:43 -1000, Dave Burns wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Aaron Konstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 08:21 -1000, Dave Burns wrote: > > >> There is a weird incompatibility between NetworkManager and network, > > >> not well documented anywhere I know about. I am in a similar position, > > >> can use either wireless or wired but have to do a whole reconfig to > > >> switch between the two. I'd explain it to you if I understood it. > > > > > > On my laptop switching from wireless to wired in f7 is seamless. > > > > > > > > >Why do > > > you need to provide a DHCP server? > > > > Is this addressed to the OP or to me? > > > > >A server should be available to your > > > machine as soon as you start your connection. > > > > I have no problem with the DHCP server. But I had to go through a long > > struggle of turning off services and fiddling with drivers and making > > sure network did not start wired networking on boot etc. to get > > wireless to work on the laptop. At that point it would no longer do > > wired. I assume I can retrace my steps to where wired worked and > > wireless did not. Trudging through the official NetworkManager docs, > > I found no mention of the various secret tricks I saw suggested on > > this list and that finally got my wireless going. Maybe my RTFM is > > inadequate, I have to cop to being impatient, but it all seemed to be > > "install rpm for NM, 123, tra la la, you're done, wireless should work > > now" without mentioning the various tricks I had to try. There are > > several threads in the archives where people try to help someone > > troubleshoot NM and wireless, but it seems highly manufacturer and > > even model dependent. I guess if it "just works" for you, be happy. > > Dave > > > Ok, I assume you have the network file in /etc/init.d turned off. If not > you should if you want NM to work as advertised. I guess I spoke to fast without considering the question properly, In my experience if you bring up a f7 system with the wired Internet plugged in NM will default to wired connection, especially if the corresponding ifcfg-xxx file contains ONBOOT=yes. In that state getting it to bring up wireless is somewhat of a problem. But without the wired interface plugged in wireless is available. If you are connected wireless and you plug in the wire it will switch over to a wired connection. -- === Show your affection, which will probably meet with pleasant response. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Switching virtual terminals
On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 10:27 +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote: > On 05Jun2008 20:18, Jim Dever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From X I can hit Alt-Ctrl-F1 or Alt-Ctrl-F2 to get to a virtual > terminal > > but once there I can't get back to X (Alt-Ctrl-F7). I can't even > change > > to another virtual terminal (Alt-Ctrl-F1 through F6). > > > > I'm using a plain vanilla F9 install but have had this problem since > I > > started using Fedora at F7. > > I think it's Just Ctrl-, not Alt-Ctrl-, from text console land. > Or just Alt-. But anyway, only one of the modifiers, not both. Then that is a change. Traditionally it has been ctrl-alt-Fx , with ctrl-alt-F7 taking you back to the X session. -- === Have you reconsidered a computer career? === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Switching virtual terminals
On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 11:12 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 10:27 +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote: > > I think it's Just Ctrl-, not Alt-Ctrl-, from text console land. > > Or just Alt-. But anyway, only one of the modifiers, not both. > > It's Alt + function keys. When in the text consoles, you can ALT+F2 or > CTRL+ALT+F2 on every computer that I've tried it with. I'm not on > Fedora 9 at the moment to check if that still works both ways, but I'm > fairly sure I've CTRL+ALT+Fx a few times back and forth, on Fedora 9, > over the last few days. > On my machine Alt-Fx does something different. It allows you to run a program in a virtual terminal. > -- > (This computer runs FC7, my others run FC4, FC5 & FC6, all using Gnome > in case that's important to the thread.) > > Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. > I read messages from the public lists. > -- === Remember, Grasshopper, falling down 1000 stairs begins by tripping over the first one. -- Confusion === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Switching virtual terminals
On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 20:24 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 05:11 -0400, Jim Dever wrote: > > I just tried it again to make sure. From an X session CTRL+ALT+Fn > > works but from a text console Alt-Fn does nothing. It's remains at > > the same tty I was at when I issued the CTRL+ALT+Fn from X. Any > > ideas? > > I am back on Fedora 9, now, and both ALT+Fn and CTRL+ALT+Fn are > working > for me, so the problem is probably specific to your setup. You might > want to say if your installation was fresh, or updating a prior wes > Again this must be a F9 special. On f7 and F8 , ctrl-alt-Fx takesw you to a virtual termianl. alt-Fx allows you to run a program in a virtual termial. However if you are in a virtual terminal then alt-Fx will take you to a new terminal. These are not upgraded systems I am using. -- === It occurred to me lately that nothing has occurred to me lately. ======= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Switching virtual terminals
On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 10:21 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 09:10 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 10:27 +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote: > > > On 05Jun2008 20:18, Jim Dever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > From X I can hit Alt-Ctrl-F1 or Alt-Ctrl-F2 to get to a virtual > > > terminal > > > > but once there I can't get back to X (Alt-Ctrl-F7). I can't even > > > change > > > > to another virtual terminal (Alt-Ctrl-F1 through F6). > > > > > > > > I'm using a plain vanilla F9 install but have had this problem since > > > I > > > > started using Fedora at F7. > > > > > > I think it's Just Ctrl-, not Alt-Ctrl-, from text console land. > > > Or just Alt-. But anyway, only one of the modifiers, not both. > > Then that is a change. Traditionally it has been ctrl-alt-Fx , with > > ctrl-alt-F7 taking you back to the X session. > > That still works, but Alt-Fn also works from a text console (don't know > if that's a change or not since I always use the Ctrl-Alt-Fn version). > > poc > If by a text console you mean gnome-terminal, no it does not. -- ======= A career is great, but you can't run your fingers through its hair. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Switching virtual terminals
On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 10:22 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 09:25 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > On my machine Alt-Fx does something different. It allows you to run a > > program in a virtual terminal. > > Is this from a text console or from anywhere? In KDE Alt-F2 gives you a > popup window to run shell commands, but I always though that was > specific to KDE. > > poc > It is at any time when you are in GNOME or KDE. -- === "Surely you can't be serious." "I am serious, and stop calling me Shirley." -- "Airplane" ======= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Switching virtual terminals
On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 16:54 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 15:48 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 10:21 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 09:10 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 10:27 +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote: > > > > > On 05Jun2008 20:18, Jim Dever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > From X I can hit Alt-Ctrl-F1 or Alt-Ctrl-F2 to get to a virtual > > > > > terminal > > > > > > but once there I can't get back to X (Alt-Ctrl-F7). I can't even > > > > > change > > > > > > to another virtual terminal (Alt-Ctrl-F1 through F6). > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm using a plain vanilla F9 install but have had this problem since > > > > > I > > > > > > started using Fedora at F7. > > > > > > > > > > I think it's Just Ctrl-, not Alt-Ctrl-, from text console land. > > > > > Or just Alt-. But anyway, only one of the modifiers, not both. > > > > Then that is a change. Traditionally it has been ctrl-alt-Fx , with > > > > ctrl-alt-F7 taking you back to the X session. > > > > > > That still works, but Alt-Fn also works from a text console (don't know > > > if that's a change or not since I always use the Ctrl-Alt-Fn version). > > > > > > poc > > > > > If by a text console you mean gnome-terminal, no it does not. > > No, I mean a virtual console not running under X. > > poc > That does work as I said in an earlier post. -- === Lensmen eat Jedi for breakfast. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Switching virtual terminals
On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 03:29 -0400, Jim Dever wrote: > g wrote: > > > > > > Jim Dever wrote: > >> Tim wrote: > >>> On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 05:11 -0400, Jim Dever wrote: > >>>> I just tried it again to make sure. From an X session CTRL+ALT+Fn > >>>> works but from a text console Alt-Fn does nothing. It's remains at > >>>> the same tty I was at when I issued the CTRL+ALT+Fn from X. Any > > > > you are saying 'from an x session', then 'from a text console' and > > 'same tty'. > > > > so, 'from an x session to a text console, aka, virtual console, > > staying in same tty, aka, same virtual console'. > > > > correct? > > Let me try and explain better. From X: Alt-CTRL-F1 takes me to a > virtual console (tty1). From X: Alt-CTRL-F2 takes me to a virtual > console (tty2). But once I'm at a text, virtual console Alt-F1 or > Alt-F2 or Alt-F3 don't do anything. I remain at the terminal where > I came out of X. And I can't get back into X either. I'm stumped. > That is certainly strange and non-standard behavior. One more time. Then when you are in a virtual terminal, ctrl-alt-F7 does not return you to X? > > > >>> I am back on Fedora 9, now, and both ALT+Fn and CTRL+ALT+Fn are working > >>> for me, so the problem is probably specific to your setup. > > > > for me with f8, saa. > > > >> It's definitely a straight plain vanilla installation. > > > > as in what type keyboard? 102 -> 110 key? special music / power, etc? > > din, pc, usb port? > > Machine is about a 7 year old Dell with a 110 key PC keyboard. It's not > USB or wireless or anything like that. > > -- > Jim > -- === You can't start worrying about what's going to happen. You get spastic enough worrying about what's happening now. -- Lauren Bacall === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 Installation Challenge
On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 07:19 +0100, Dave Cross wrote: > On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 11:03 PM, Phil Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dave Cross wrote: > >> > >> As mentioned in a couple of previous mails to this list, trying to > >> upgrade my laptop[1] from F8 to F9 has gone horribly wrong. I'd really > >> appreciate any help to fix this. > >> > >> I basically have two problems. > >> > >> 1/ I can't use any of the Fedora boot media. > > > > This is well discussed here. > > > > The new media has GRUB on it (starting with F8). Some BIOS don't like it > > and the keyboard becomes unusable, or the machine hard hangs. > > > > The workaround is to prevent the GRUB menu from coming up. > > > > There are two methods that have been discussed, one of which I have used > > many times. (I install 30-40 systems a week in testing, sometimes) > > > > As the machine boots to media, after BIOS messages, and before any boot > > messages, press Escape repeatedly. This will prevent GRUB from loading and > > provide the old style prompts. The keyboard will work here. > > > > Also, someone suggested recently that holding down the left shift key will > > have the same effect. I have not tested this yet. > > > > In any case, the workaround is to prevent GRUB from loading. > > Phil, > > Thanks. I've been able to prevent GRUB from loading and get to a > "boot:" prompt. And the keyboard is still working at that point. > > My problem now, is that I have no idea what to type at that prompt. > I would guess either hit return for default X oriented install ot upgrade or type text for text install or upgrade. -- ======= "I am ready to meet my Maker. Whether my Maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter." -- Winston Churchill === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Switching virtual terminals
> It would be interesting to see if the Alt key is actually being detected > in console mode. The keyboard tables are loaded at boot time but they > can change when X starts up, so it's possible that Alt in console mode > is simply not being read. Can't think of an easy test off the top of my > head but I'm sure somebody out there can :-) > > /usr/share/doc/kbd-1.12/kbd.FAQ.html (part of kbd.rpm) would probably be > the place to start. > > poc > To test lat key run: echo < \ You will get a > at the begining of the next line asn see if ':' and alt-: give you a different result. There is nothing magic about ':' and key might do. -- === Convention is the ruler of all. -- Pindar ======= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 printer control
On Sun, 2008-06-08 at 08:44 -0700, Mick M. wrote: > Hi; > I did something to kill my printer in F9. > Now I cannot find out how to clear the queue, or look at jobs. > > I restarted cups. and even a reboot did not bring it back. > The printer itself is fine but F9 now will not talk to it. > It is a HP C5180 all-in-one USB. > > Thanks > Mick M. In a browser go to localhost:631 the cups web page. Click the option to check printers and see if you need to click start printer in the entry for your printer. That is if you see that your printer is stopped. -- === When I left you, I was but the pupil. Now, I am the master. - Darth Vader ======= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 19:56 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Monday 09 June 2008 19:31:54 linuxguy wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 19:21 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > > > On Monday 09 June 2008 19:08:46 linuxguy wrote: > > > > My email setup is 6 different gmail accounts, being sorted into about > > > > 25 folders via rules. The largest folder has about 150,000 messages > > > > in it. The smallest one has 5,000 messages in it. > > > > > > > > Is anyone using Thunderbird like this ? How does it compare ? How > > > > hard is it to move over to it ? > > > > > > I don't recall what choices Tbird gives you, but whatever you do, don't > > > put that number of messages into mbox folders. That isn't what you have > > > now, by any chance, is it? If so, that's the cause of your problem. > > > > I've got a folder with 150,000 messages, yes. Its not usually the one > > that gives the problem though. Almost always the one that gives the > > problem is the one that is open when you first start the application. I > > think there is a bug in retrieving the current message for viewing and > > receiving a new email into the folder. > > > > What is one supposed to do with large email folders, besides manually > > breaking them up ? > > If mail folders are maildir it doesn't matter how many messages you have in > them. Each message is stored as an individual file. In an mbox folder each > message is tagged on to the end of the existing file. When you get several > thousand messages in an mbox folder you have one mighty big file. Consider > what happens - > > You decide that a certain thread of messages is of no interest to you, so you > delete the thread. First the whole folder - thousands of messages - have to > be read in. Then the messages have to be identified and deleted out of the > middle of the file. Finally the compacted file has to be written to disk. > It works fine for small folders, but slows dramatically as the file grows. > > Anne And what happens if you have 150,000 individual messages and you want to delete a thread? You think that will be faster than with a single mbox file? I doubt it. -- === BOO! We changed Coke again! BLEAH! BLEAH! === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: NetworkManager: how to select wireless interface
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 14:55 +, Mike C wrote: > Andrea googlemail.com> writes: > > > I just would like to know if it is possible to choose which interface to > > use, and in case NM wants to connect both, how do I choose the default > > gateway? I've seen it chosen at random so far. > > Equally at some point no doubt someone will want to have NM able to connect > to either a wire or a wireless interface - and then it should be part of > normal operation to be able to select wired or wireless. I must be confused. When I left click an the nm-applet icon I can choose wired network or one of the wireless APs. > > One reason some people don't use NM is because it seems not obvious that > NM can actually do this. If it can the documentation should be easily > available > so that users can get at it easily. > -- === Love means nothing to a tennis player. ======= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: can't get X to work after installing F9
nel > | -- > | anaconda.xlog-drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device or address) > | anaconda.xlog:drmOpenDevice: Open failed > | anaconda.xlog-drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 > | -- > | anaconda.xlog-drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device or address) > | anaconda.xlog:drmOpenDevice: Open failed > | anaconda.xlog:[drm] failed to load kernel module "mga" > | anaconda.xlog:(EE) [drm] drmOpen failed. > | anaconda.xlog:(EE) MGA(0): [drm] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI. > | anaconda.xlog-(II) MGA(0): Using 4642 lines for offscreen memory. > | -- > | Xorg.0.log- (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, > | Xorg.0.log: (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) > unknown. > | Xorg.0.log-(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sun Jun 8 > 21:52:47 2008 > | -- > | Xorg.0.log- Using the default mouse configuration. > | Xorg.0.log:(WW) Open ACPI failed (/var/run/acpid.socket) (No such > file or directory) > | Xorg.0.log-(II) No APM support in BIOS or kernel > | -- > | Xorg.0.log-drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device or address) > | Xorg.0.log:drmOpenDevice: Open failed > | Xorg.0.log-drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 > | -- > | Xorg.0.log-drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device or address) > | Xorg.0.log:drmOpenDevice: Open failed > | Xorg.0.log-drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci::01:00.0 > > I've attached the following log files: > > | $ du -sch * > | 40K anaconda.xlog > | 44K Xorg.0.log > | 8.0K Xorg.setup.log > | 92K total > > The monitor specs (such as they are) can be found here: > > > http://www.viewsonic.com/support/desktopdisplays/lcddisplays/optiquest/q190mb/index.htm > http://www.viewsonic.com/pdf/us_eng/products/LR_Q190mb.pdf > http://www.viewsonic.com/pdf/userguides/q190mb-1_ug_eng.pdf > > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- === This wasn't just plain terrible, this was fancy terrible. This was terrible with raisins in it. -- Dorothy Parker === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 18:42 -0700, Craig White wrote: > On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 11:56 -0700, Dan Thurman wrote: > > On Monday 09 June 2008 11:08:46 am linuxguy wrote: > > > I've been using Evolution as my email client since RH8. I hate it > > > because it seems to get confused if one opens up an email or changes > > > [snip!] > > > Is anyone using Thunderbird like this ? How does it compare ? How hard > > > is it to move over to it ? > > > Thanks > > > > 1) I have had the same sort of problems (and more) with Evolution > > and I got tired of it. The hard part is getting it all configured > > correctly. But even then, it is a resource hog as you mentioned, > > but what pissed me off mostly was bugs, crashes, and manually > > killing the processes when things go wrong with evo. > > > > 2) I have tried Kmail and again, it has it's own set of problems, > > one involving threads, and it is SLOW depending on your MB. > > I am using an Intel dual-proc Core-Duo w/2GB ram and it is slow > > only because it needs to sync and process each email messages > > if you enable thread support. It seems faster without threading > > enabled. By threading, I mean email threading. I LOVE the versatility > > of configuring the Fonts for each gui panes. Very nice. This is my > > current email client. As with Thunderbird, when you click on a folder, > > it is at this point where synchronization to the server gets updated and > > you have to wait until it is finished - the CPU hits hard, slowing > > things > > down, so you are somewhat forced to wait before beginning the next > > step. I wish that this process is done automatically, is niced, and > > happens transparently, but it is what it is. > > > > 3) I have successfully configured and tried Thunderbird and I do like it > > but it is not as versatile/configurable as Kmail, imo. I ran into > > trouble > > initially with configuring since it was 'different' than what I was used > > to and had to get used to the idea of 'expunge' and emtpying the > > 'trash', > > a two-step process. With Kmail, I just have to empty the trash but then > > I set the configuration to empty the trash on exit. Pretty minor. > > > > In all three cases above, my biggest problem was connecting to M$ exchange > > as my main email server - I had to configure exchange to ALLOW connections > > but once I got through this correctly, it all worked well. > > > > FWIW, > > FWIW - I use Evolution and have used it for years and I get A LOT of > e-mail. > > The only issue I have ever had with Evolution and slow/crashing was when > I turned on 'junk mail filtering' as that tends to really drag it > down...perhaps they've improved that aspect because I haven't used it > for years. > > If I was dealing with Exchange server, I surely would be using Evolution > and the Exchange connector. > > Craig > I agree with Craig. I have never had the above problems with evolution. But I havwe never tried to manage 150,000 e-mails locally. -- === It's no use crying over spilt milk -- it only makes it salty for the cat. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?
On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 06:53 -0700, Craig White wrote: > On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 08:41 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 18:42 -0700, Craig White wrote: > > > On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 11:56 -0700, Dan Thurman wrote: > > > > On Monday 09 June 2008 11:08:46 am linuxguy wrote: > > > > > I've been using Evolution as my email client since RH8. I hate it > > > > > because it seems to get confused if one opens up an email or changes > > > > > [snip!] > > > > > Is anyone using Thunderbird like this ? How does it compare ? How > > > > > hard > > > > > is it to move over to it ? > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > 1) I have had the same sort of problems (and more) with Evolution > > > > and I got tired of it. The hard part is getting it all configured > > > > correctly. But even then, it is a resource hog as you mentioned, > > > > but what pissed me off mostly was bugs, crashes, and manually > > > > killing the processes when things go wrong with evo. > > > > > > > > 2) I have tried Kmail and again, it has it's own set of problems, > > > > one involving threads, and it is SLOW depending on your MB. > > > > I am using an Intel dual-proc Core-Duo w/2GB ram and it is slow > > > > only because it needs to sync and process each email messages > > > > if you enable thread support. It seems faster without threading > > > > enabled. By threading, I mean email threading. I LOVE the > > > > versatility > > > > of configuring the Fonts for each gui panes. Very nice. This is my > > > > current email client. As with Thunderbird, when you click on a > > > > folder, > > > > it is at this point where synchronization to the server gets > > > > updated and > > > > you have to wait until it is finished - the CPU hits hard, slowing > > > > things > > > > down, so you are somewhat forced to wait before beginning the next > > > > step. I wish that this process is done automatically, is niced, and > > > > happens transparently, but it is what it is. > > > > > > > > 3) I have successfully configured and tried Thunderbird and I do like it > > > > but it is not as versatile/configurable as Kmail, imo. I ran into > > > > trouble > > > > initially with configuring since it was 'different' than what I was > > > > used > > > > to and had to get used to the idea of 'expunge' and emtpying the > > > > 'trash', > > > > a two-step process. With Kmail, I just have to empty the trash but > > > > then > > > > I set the configuration to empty the trash on exit. Pretty minor. > > > > > > > > In all three cases above, my biggest problem was connecting to M$ > > > > exchange > > > > as my main email server - I had to configure exchange to ALLOW > > > > connections > > > > but once I got through this correctly, it all worked well. > > > > > > > > FWIW, > > > > > > FWIW - I use Evolution and have used it for years and I get A LOT of > > > e-mail. > > > > > > The only issue I have ever had with Evolution and slow/crashing was when > > > I turned on 'junk mail filtering' as that tends to really drag it > > > down...perhaps they've improved that aspect because I haven't used it > > > for years. > > > > > > If I was dealing with Exchange server, I surely would be using Evolution > > > and the Exchange connector. > > > > > > Craig > > > > > I agree with Craig. I have never had the above problems with evolution. > > But I havwe never tried to manage 150,000 e-mails locally. > > since it's IMAP, you're not really managing 150,000 local e-mails but > rather it's only a local cache that is continually rebuilt. > > I think the OP has to consider that the strategies that work well for > Gmail probably are less effective when trying to attach to Gmail's mail > repository via a local IMAP client and will strain any/all client > applications. > > The main issue that I was pointing out was that several versions ago > (Fedora/Evolution), I would get some hanging due to using 'Junk Mail > Filtering' on my IMAP mailbox which was mostly unnecessary as their are > effective junk mail rules on my mail server and turning junk mail > filtering off in Evolution solved it. > > Craig > I agree junk mail filtering is a disaster. -- === No sooner had Edger Allen Poe Finished his old Raven, then he started his Old Crow. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Unable to mount DVD under Fedora 9
On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 09:08 -0700, stan wrote: > stan wrote: > > I'm running Fedora 9, I put a DVD in the player, and it doesn't > load. > > The same DVD and player work fine under Fedora 7. It is just a > data > > DVD. I find nothing in bugzilla for this. Is it a difference in > > configuration between Fedora 7 and 9, or is it a bug? The DVD is > on > > the second PATA channel as master, and there is a CD as slave. I > > upgraded using preupgrade so there was no interaction with the DVD > > during install. > > We have a terminology problem. What do you mean by loading. Do you mean mounting. Have you configured this in : System->Preferences-> Hardware->Removeable Drives and Media Performance -> Storage, clicking Browse removable media when inserted. This did not need to be clicked in f7. Maybe it needs to be in f9. -- === Happy feast of the pig! === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Problem with update of f7 for Network Manager.
This morning I was send a message about updating NetworkManager. The following rpms were updated on my f7 system: NetworkManager-glib -0.6.6-2.fc7.i386 NetworkManager-devel -0.6.6-2.fc7.i386 NetworkManager -0.6.6-2.fc7.i386 NetworkManager-gnome -0.6.6-2.fc7.i386 after the update NM no longer works properly. The connection is made but instead of seeing the vertical blue bars the arrow keeps circling. Do others with f7 see the same thing. How can I downgrade to the earlier version? What can be done otherwise? Why are devel rpms being downloaded? My development repo is disabled. -- Aaron Konstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Option --force for cp
On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 16:36 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 16:24:52 +0200, > Luc MAIGNAN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I definitively can't force cp to override existing files without asking > > confirmation. > > > > According to documentation , I try : > > > > cp -r --force src/file1 ./ > > > > but always a confirmation is asked... > > > > > > What's wrong ? > > cp is probably aliased to 'cp -i'. Try using: > 'cp' -rf src/file1 ./ > Actually executing: /cp -r --force src/file1 ./ will remove the alias from the execution. Notice the leading '\' character. -- === It's a recession when your neighbour loses his job; it's a depression when you lose yours. -- Harry S. Truman === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Option --force for cp
On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 15:39 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:34:46 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote: > > > Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 16:36 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > > > > >> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 16:24:52 +0200, > > >> Luc MAIGNAN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi, > > >>> > > >>> I definitively can't force cp to override existing files without asking > > >>> confirmation. > > >>> > > >>> According to documentation , I try : > > >>> > > >>> cp -r --force src/file1 ./ > > >>> > > >>> but always a confirmation is asked... > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> What's wrong ? > > >>> > > >> cp is probably aliased to 'cp -i'. Try using: > > >> 'cp' -rf src/file1 ./ > > >> > > >> > > > Actually executing: > > > /cp -r --force src/file1 ./ > > > > > > will remove the alias from the execution. Notice the leading '\' > > > character. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > === > > > It's a recession when your neighbour loses his job; it's a depression > > > when you lose yours. -- Harry S. Truman > > > === > > > Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > Or just run /bin/cp -r --force src/file1 . thereby forcing the > > use of the executable and not the alias. I don't understand the use of > > the / at the front of the command unless cp lives under the / directory. > > It's a typo. Should have been a backslash. > You are right it was a typo, corrected in the next sentence but still coonfusing. -- === If the path be beautiful, let us not ask where it leads. -- Anatole France === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Checking CPU temperature
On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 16:06 +0100, Paul Smith wrote: > Dear All, > > In the output below, where should I look for the CPU temperature? The value > > CPU Temp: -2.0°C (low = +127.0°C, high = +127.0°C) sensor = transistor > > seems unlikely. Or is -2.0°C realistic? > > Is there some other program to check the CPU temperature? > > Thanks in advance, > > Paul > cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM/temperature will do it. -2.0C would be a really cold CPU. Colder than ice. > > -- === Andrea: Unhappy the land that has no heroes. Galileo: No, unhappy the land that _needs heroes. -- Bertolt Brecht, "Life of Galileo" ======= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Checking CPU temperature
On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 16:23 +0100, Paul Smith wrote: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Mark Haney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> In the output below, where should I look for the CPU temperature? The > >> value > >> > >> CPU Temp: -2.0°C (low = +127.0°C, high = +127.0°C) sensor = > >> transistor > >> > >> seems unlikely. Or is -2.0°C realistic? > >> > >> Is there some other program to check the CPU temperature? > >> > > cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature > > > > This is what I use to check temps if I feel like my sensors widget is not > > right. > > Thanks, Mark, but > > $ cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature > cat: /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature: No such file or directory > $ > > Paul > Its THM not THRM. -- =========== You never go anywhere without your soul. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Checking CPU temperature
On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 18:05 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 17:01 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 16:06 +0100, Paul Smith wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > > > In the output below, where should I look for the CPU temperature? The > > > value > > > > > > CPU Temp: -2.0°C (low = +127.0°C, high = +127.0°C) sensor = > > > transistor > > > > > > seems unlikely. Or is -2.0°C realistic? > > > > > > Is there some other program to check the CPU temperature? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Paul > > > > > cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM/temperature > > will do it. -2.0C would be a really cold CPU. Colder than ice. > > You need to read the thread from the beginning. The OP has already > explained that this doesn't work. > > poc > Actually he said: cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature would not work since it is supposed to be: THM -- ======= Totally illogical, there was no chance. -- Spock, "The Galileo Seven", stardate 2822.3 === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Checking CPU temperature
On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 18:06 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 17:02 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 16:23 +0100, Paul Smith wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Mark Haney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> In the output below, where should I look for the CPU temperature? The > > > >> value > > > >> > > > >> CPU Temp: -2.0°C (low = +127.0°C, high = +127.0°C) sensor = > > > >> transistor > > > >> > > > >> seems unlikely. Or is -2.0°C realistic? > > > >> > > > >> Is there some other program to check the CPU temperature? > > > >> > > > > cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature > > > > > > > > This is what I use to check temps if I feel like my sensors widget is > > > > not > > > > right. > > > > > > Thanks, Mark, but > > > > > > $ cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature > > > cat: /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature: No such file or directory > > > $ > > > > > > Paul > > > > > Its THM not THRM. > > There is *nothing* in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone on my machine, it's a > completely empty directory. I take it the OP's system is the same. > > poc Ok, you win. If there is no /proc/acpi/thermal_zone then THM will not work. > -- === You are sick, twisted and perverted. I like that in a person. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Problem with update of f7 for Network Manager.
On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 22:01 -0700, belyaev1967 wrote: > Thank you for your message. You were the first who reported this problem. > This is 100% bug. I have put back 0.6.6-1 version from > ftp://fr.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/updates/7/x86_64/ > and everything worked fine to me. Actually this is terrible bug. I though > thank my hardware crashed till I saw your posting! > Alexander I did the same thing you did and things started working. What really worried me was f7 is very close to being unsupported. Dan Williams who is the head of the NM project is looking at my logs to see if he can fix the problem. I will keep people posted when the results are revealed. > > > Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > > This morning I was send a message about updating NetworkManager. The > > following rpms were updated on my f7 system: > > NetworkManager-glib -0.6.6-2.fc7.i386 > > NetworkManager-devel -0.6.6-2.fc7.i386 > > NetworkManager -0.6.6-2.fc7.i386 > > NetworkManager-gnome -0.6.6-2.fc7.i386 > > > > after the update NM no longer works properly. The connection is made but > > instead of seeing the vertical blue bars the arrow keeps circling. > > > > Do others with f7 see the same thing. How can I downgrade to the earlier > > version? What can be done otherwise? > > > > Why are devel rpms being downloaded? My development repo is disabled. > > -- > > Aaron Konstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > -- > > fedora-list mailing list > > fedora-list@redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/Problem-with-update-of-f7-for-Network-Manager.-tp17764566p17791707.html > Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > -- ======= "I have not the slightest confidence in 'spiritual manifestations.'" -- Robert G. Ingersoll === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: tr problem
On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 23:46 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 12 June 2008, Les Mikesell wrote: > >Gene Heskett wrote: > >> I'm trying to convert a test file, src code for a legacy computer, whose > >> eol is a single cr into one with a newline subbed for each cr, and tr is > >> being a pita, it broken, or there is PEBKAC. > >> > >> If I use this syntax: > >> > >> tr -c \r \n filename2 > >> > >> Then the whole file is converted to nn's, every byte. > >> > >> The manpage (and pinfo tr too) is, shall we say, completely lacking in how > >> to handle the file I/O. > >> > >> So how do you use tr?" > >> > >> Or is there a better tool for this than tr? > > > >The tr syntax would be > >tr -d '\r' > >but for one or a few files you can just load in vi (vim) and > > > >:set fileformat=unix > > And that might be something that is not in the vim manpages Mike, thanks. > > >and write it back out. > > > >Plus, you probably have a program called dos2unix installed... > os uses and end of line characterws > That is the other option & with my CRS, I couldn't remember that name with a > $1000 bill being offered. I'm seemingly being reminded that memory is the > second thing to go. :) > Except as stated by the OP your solution of dos2unix might not work, DOS uses as eol characters cr followed by lf. So you would not want in that case to replace a cr by a lf. You would want to just remove the cr. In vi this is done by the command: :.,$s/^V^M// -- === Westheimer's Discovery: A couple of months in the laboratory can frequently save a couple of hours in the library. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
pseudo-fix for NM in f7- on the last day before lifetime cut-off.
Fix of f7 NM problem from Dan Williams head of NM project Aaron Konstam == http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=660749 when it's done? That's basically a revert to 0.6.6-1. If that build does not fix your issues, then there must have been changes in components outside of NM that are causing the issue. We can't just revoke the update, a rebuild using the 0.6.6-1 sources is the best we can do, but things like glibc or compiler changes may affect a rebuild. Please let me know ASAP if that works so I can push it out since today is the last day for F7 updates. Thanks! Dan -- === You learn to write as if to someone else because NEXT YEAR YOU WILL BE "SOMEONE ELSE." =========== Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: tr problem
On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 16:42 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:31:19 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > Except as stated by the OP your solution of dos2unix might not work, > DOS > > uses as eol characters cr followed by lf. So you would not want in > that > > case to replace a cr by a lf. You would want to just remove the cr. > > In vi this is done by the command: > > :.,$s/^V^M// > > $ rpm -qf /usr/bin/mac2unix > dos2unix-3.1-31.fc9.i386 > > ;o) How is this a response to what I said? -- === Many people resent being treated like the person they really are. =========== Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: pseudo-fix for NM in f7- on the last day before lifetime cut-off.
On Sat, 2008-06-14 at 12:13 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 15:25 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > Fix of f7 NM problem from Dan Williams head of NM project > > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=660749 > > Fix of *what* problem? Your message says nothing about it, nor does the > page you referred to. > You are right I did not say but I had posted that information before, and anyone who has been keeping up with f7 updates would know. The last update distributed (unless one was distributed late yesterday) broke the operation of NM. It would connect but the usual vertical blue bars would not appear, Instead the cycling blue line would continue throughout the session. Sorry for any confusion. The problems are associated with the -0.6.6-2 version of the NM rpms. -- === You will always find something in the last place you look. ======= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: pseudo-fix for NM in f7- on the last day before lifetime cut-off.
On Sat, 2008-06-14 at 09:37 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sat, 2008-06-14 at 08:23 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > On Sat, 2008-06-14 at 12:13 +0930, Tim wrote: > > > On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 15:25 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > > Fix of f7 NM problem from Dan Williams head of NM project > > > > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=660749 > > > > > > Fix of *what* problem? Your message says nothing about it, nor does > > the > > > page you referred to. > > > > > You are right I did not say but I had posted that information before, > > and anyone who has been keeping up with f7 updates would know. > > That's assuming that people have been reading the list for a while. It > would have been clearer to have posted the message as a reply to an > earlier one in the same thread. > > poc > Ok, I made a mistake. I will try to do better next time (-; -- === Silence is the element in which great things fashion themselves. -- Thomas Carlyle === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !
On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 12:56 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Sunday 15 June 2008 12:38, Tom Horsley wrote: > > On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:22:16 +0100 > > > > Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Fedora made the only possible decision. > > > > That's the most ridiculous statement I've ever read. > > > > Anyone still trying to delude themselves that fedora > > isn't primarily a beta test for redhat enterprise? :-). > > Fedora would not exist without RHEL. Think about it. > > Anne > Maybe it should be, RHEL would not exist without Fedora. -- === Yawd [noun, Bostonese]: the campus of Have Id. -- Webster's Unafraid Dictionary === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: pseudo-fix for NM in f7- on the last day before lifetime cut-off.
On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 13:05 +0930, Tim wrote: > Tim: > >> Fix of *what* problem? Your message says nothing about it, nor does the > >> page you referred to. > > Aaron Konstam: > > You are right I did not say but I had posted that information before, > > and anyone who has been keeping up with f7 updates would know. > > I can't say that I remember seeing you post anything about it, but this > list has too much traffic for someone, other than the original poster, > to remember the content between disassociated postings. > > I still run 7 on my laptop, and was aware of some problems with network > manager, and got stung by the last update screwing things up, and fixed > it by reverting (seeing as all those bug reports strongly reported that > 7 was shortly to be EOL, and any fix was going to be for you to update > your OS installation). > > Some time before your posting I'd looked in bugzilla, and found that > issue already reported, along with a few other bugs. Even armed with > that information, I couldn't tell from your post which bug you were > referring to. Tim, give me a break. I already said I made a mistake. You indicate that you knew that the last update which installed three -0.6.6-2 updated rpms broke NM. Did you see my later post that identified the problem? I also thought of installing F8 or F9. -- === It is your concern when your neighbor's wall is on fire. -- Quintus Horatius Flaccus (Horace) === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora 9 update causes NetworkManager not to work wireless
On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 08:51 -0500, Luis Orlindo Tedeschi wrote: > I am having problems with NetworkManager and wireless network. When I > installed Fedora 9 NetworkManager was working fine and able to connect > to wireless networks. However, after I did the first update suggested by > the OS, NetworkManager stopped being able to recognize wireless > networks. I formatted and installed Fedora 9 twice to confirm the > problem. I could not however identify which update is causing this > problem. Anybody having the same problem? Thanks. Well, you could go to /var/log/yum.log and see what NM related updates were made. That would be my first step. -- === Hand me a pair of leather pants and a CASIO keyboard -- I'm living for today! ======= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
NM confusion.
The feature of NetworkManager that allows system wide connection information to be distributed at boot. This suppositly has been created. Does it exist in f8 or f9 and if so how is it configured? -- === Non-Reciprocal Laws of Expectations: Negative expectations yield negative results. Positive expectations yield negative results. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Low Wireless Speed While Using Network Manager
On Tue, 2008-06-17 at 19:22 +0530, Manish Kathuria wrote: > Hello, > > I have a Broadcom BCM94311MCG Wireless Mini PCI Card on my laptop and > use the Network Manager on Fedora 9 to connect to the wireless > network. I just observed that the Wireless Speed or the Bit Rate does > not exceed 2 Mbps even when the laptop is close to the wireless > router. The bit rate used to be much higher and even touch 54 Mbps > when I had configured the interface directly without using the Network > Manager. Even though the current version of Network Manager > (NetworkManager-0.7.0-0.9.3.svn3623.fc9.x86_64) allows me to edit > connection properties but it does not provide any setting for the Bit > Rate. Is there a way out to increase the wireless connection speed > while using Network Manager ? > > Thanks, > -- > Manish Kathuria > The same thin haqppened to me last week. I traced it to my router. Look at the web interface of you wireless router is it is available.Restarting the router fixed the problem. -- === Our little systems have their day; They have their day and cease to be; They are but broken lights of thee. -- Tennyson ======= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Low Wireless Speed While Using Network Manager
On Tue, 2008-06-17 at 17:22 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Mike Chambers wrote: > > > Try something like iwconfig wlan0 rate auto or iwconfig wlan0 rate 54G > > or something along those lines. The part your looking up the info for > > is near the top, maybe one or two pages down. > > As a matter of interest, where does NetworkManager get its settings from? > Does it read /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg- ? > This rate option confuses me, since in my DSL environment the DSL provider determines the rate. Also the rate in each direction are different. So what rate is being controlled? -- === This unit... must... survive. ======= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: recent kernel upgrades damage mbr
On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 17:19 +0200, Maurizio Marini wrote: > On Wednesday 18 June 2008, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > While we're on the subject of mbr's, how big is it? The first 512 bytes of > > the one I just saved is virtually empty. So I overwrote it with a 4kb > > version, b but that is bearing some resemblance to a list of inodes. > AFAIK, it is still 512, by Roman's time, Caesar decided it... > i never have read anything about something different by 512 bytes. If your > 512 > bytes are all 00x0 using hexdump, something goes wrong, > Which is the exact command do u issued? > -m > Of the first block on the disk, 446 bytes are the boot code. The rest are the partition tables. -- === "If there isn't a population problem, why is the government putting cancer in the cigarettes?" -- the elder Steptoe, c. 1970 ======= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Blue Screen
On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 18:56 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > We installed Linux and some software for a customer and sent him the > machine. > First we made sure everything was OK, rebooted, etc. > > But now when he is trying to bring it up it goes through all the > initialization stuff, > etc., but then he just gets the blue screen (you know, you usually get > a blue > screen but with a login box in the middle?). Anyway all he gets is a > blue screen. > > Any idea what could be wrong? I know before there was a problem where > in /etc/inittab > for runlevel 3, instead of > > id:5:initdefault: > > > I put > > x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon > > but I tried this on a machine here. It never gives you the blue > screen. > It hangs after the initialization, and never goes into X. Also, I had > him bring up the kernal select and put a " s" for single-user mode, > but the same thing happened. > > Any ideas? I would first want to know what happens before the blue screen. There is no way the booting to single user could get you a blue gdm screen. I would suspect a mangled grub.conf file. -- === May you die in bed at 95, shot by a jealous spouse. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
RE: Network connection issue
On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 01:59 +, Jim Douglas wrote: > > I am thinking I may have had the "Services" window open and clicked on > something by accidentcable modem connection. Can't browse > internet, there are no other computers. > > pinging is fine, a remote Ip times out... > > Jim How cn pinging be fine if remote ip times out? -- === The cost of living is going up, and the chance of living is going down. ======= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
RE: Network connection issue
On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 13:30 +, Jim Douglas wrote: > Network Manager is not started on bootup, network is. Restarting > network service doesn't work. > It does not work or does network fail to start? > > thanks, > Jim > > > Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:36:29 -0700 > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: fedora-list@redhat.com > > Subject: Re: Network connection issue > > > > Jim Douglas wrote: > > > I am thinking I may have had the "Services" window open and > clicked on something by accidentcable modem connection. Can't > browse internet, there are no other computers. > > > > > > pinging is fine, a remote Ip times out... > > > > > > Jim > > > > > What happens if you go into services and stop and restart the > network > > service. I've heard it said on this list that it isn't good to have > > both network services and Network Manager running at the same time. > > Perhaps you started Network Manager. I think it is the first entry > in > > the service menu (it is on F9). > > > > -- > > fedora-list mailing list > > fedora-list@redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > > > __ > The i’m Talkathon starts 6/24/08. For now, give amongst yourselves. > Learn More > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- === Sigmund's wife wore Freudian slips. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: use wireless router as wireless NIC?
On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 14:51 -0700, Dave Stevens wrote: > I have an office that moved recently. Before it was using a Linksys > wrt54g > wireless router, dsl from the telco (telus). Now it is adjacent to > another > office set up the same way. Rather than continue to pay double we'd > like to > share the cost and the connection. Can anyone suggest whether or how I > can > program my router to pick up the wifi signal from the next office and > get it > into my box? F7 if it matters. > There is nothing to program as long as the wireless AP is detectable from both offices. -- === I'll be Grateful when they're Dead. ======= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: use wireless router as wireless NIC?
On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 12:53 -0700, Dave Stevens wrote: > On Tuesday 24 June 2008 09:29:36 am max wrote: > > Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 14:51 -0700, Dave Stevens wrote: > > >> I have an office that moved recently. Before it was using a Linksys > > >> wrt54g > > >> wireless router, dsl from the telco (telus). Now it is adjacent to > > >> another > > >> office set up the same way. Rather than continue to pay double we'd > > >> like to > > >> share the cost and the connection. Can anyone suggest whether or how I > > >> can > > >> program my router to pick up the wifi signal from the next office and > > >> get it > > >> into my box? F7 if it matters. > > > > > > There is nothing to program as long as the wireless AP is detectable > > > from both offices. > > > -- > > > ======= > > > I'll be Grateful when they're Dead. > > > === > > > Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > He wants his router to connect to the other router and then give his pc > > access thru *his* router. He doesn't want to connect directly to the > > other AP, at least that's how I read. > > yes, that's right. > > d > Ok. I believe you, but why do you need to do that. he effect is the same as the setup I described. > > -- > -- === When neither their poverty nor their honor is touched, the majority of men live content. -- Niccolo Machiavelli === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Periodic Fedora 9 system hangs with jumpy mouse
On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 16:21 -0400, Deron Meranda wrote: > On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > O> > I wonder if LUKS + swap might be the first suspect > >> I'm going to try to resize things and get my swap back up > >> to 32 GB. A little tricky due to LUKS being in the mix, but > >> I should be able to do it. > > > > Once you've done that run it for a bit and see if it seems to be > > gradually eating through swap. The overcommit test will probably work > > sanely as well with 1GB+ of swap 8) > > I'm running with almost 14GB of swap space now instead of 32MB. > > (Resizing things went smooth but was quite a lengthy manual process. > When you've got LUKS and LVM and ext3 all in the mix you also > have to do a lot of units conversions: 512 B/sector, 1024 B/kB, > 4096 B/block, 32MB/LE ...) > > I'll run it for a few days and report back if this worked or not. > -- > Deron Meranda > Runnin with 14GB of swap semms an obscene waste of space. When you run free how much of it is actually used? -- ======= Don't remember what you can infer. -- Harry Tennant === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: problem with FC9 login screen
On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 07:33 -0700, Gerhard Magnus wrote: > My login screen for Fedora 9 has only suspend, restart and shutdown > buttons, plus the list of users. There's what looks like a panel bar at > the bottom of the screen with nothing in it. I can login normally to the > gnome desktop. > > How do I change the session to KDE from the login screen? (I specified > including KDE during the installation.) > > Is there a widget or file where I can specify a default user (the one > highlighted on the login screen menu)? > > Thanks for the help! --Jerry > > Install switchdesk , if it is not installed. It will allow you to change from Gnome to KDE. -- === Grabel's Law: 2 is not equal to 3 -- not even for large values of 2. ======= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: scrambled image with xine
On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 16:59 +0200, François Patte wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Bonjour, > > I installed xine on my laptop and if I want to whatch a dvd the image is > completely unreadable: scrambled as if the dvd was crypted. > > No problem with vlc, no problem with totem-xine. > > totem, installed by default, doesn't work, whatever the install I made > up to now. > > Anybody has any ideas? > > Thanks It is common fro totem to work and totem-xine must replace it. -- === A little inaccuracy saves a world of explanation. -- C.E. Ayres =========== Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: What is the matter with fedora 9?
On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 14:46 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: > fedora wrote: > > Hi every > > > > What is the matter with fedora 9? > > > > it introduced a NetworkManager which prohibits networking. > > NetworkMangler has been around since FC6 (at least), by making it the > default it became impossible to ignore. It does the right thing in cases > where you have one hardwire or wireless connection which can see only > one AP. For all other cases wait for the human readable documentation > which will be here... or maybe not, since it was coming with FC7, 8, and 9. The above is clearly not true, I use NM in environments where there are 3 or 4 APs to choose from. > > > programs are acessible only as root user: xsane just does nothing as > > non-root user. > > More likely to be a device permission problem, in my experience. Blame > hal or SElinux, it's not that hard to fix. > > > openoffice blocks its drop-downs in the main menu for 20 seconds, if you > > are not root. if you are root, everything is as good/as bad as with > > fedora 8, thanks very much. > > Other people have said that's because when they upgraded they left stuff > in various "dot" directories. Doesn't happen in clean installs, at least > that I've noticed. > > > openldap breaks down every now and then, and stays with a corrupt > > sleepycat database, which is not revoverable. > > I didn't see your bugzilla on that. > > > > could the relevant persons please provide an update to fedora 9 as soon > > as possible? thanks very much. > > > -- > Bill Davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >"We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from > the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot > -- === Your own qualities will help prevent your advancement in the world. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
It is time to make myself unpopular. E-mail to a list is a precious resource. This is a Fedora list and this topic which has clogged up my e-mail for too long is not a Fedora topic. It roughly doubles the messages I have to look at every day and it might have been worth a day of discussion but it just drags on and it is off topic. I realize I will be attacked for saying this but know in advance I will not respond. > -- === A platitude is simply a truth repeated till people get tired of hearing it. -- Stanley Baldwin === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 21:12 -0700, Craig White wrote: > Obviously I try to stay away from editing the cups config files by > hand > because they tend to get trampled on by cups configuration tools > (http://localhost:631) or via system-config-printer (which finally > seems > to live in peace alongside cups configuration tools). > I generally agree that editing cups config files are not necessary, except in one case. I have yet to find out how you can configure a computer to print to printers distributed by a remote print serve as well as a local printer without editing its cupsd.conf file. Any suggestions? -- === Be free and open and breezy! Enjoy! Things won't get any better so get used to it. ======= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Creating a default keyring with passwd.
One of the problems with reinstalling Fedora every 6 months is I can't remember what I did before but I know I never had this problem before. On anew installation I configured evolution. When I tried to run it it asked for the POP passwd then wanted to know the passwd to open the default keyring. But I am lost in remembering how to do this. I know it must of happened in earlier versions but I am drawing a blank on what to do to resolve this. I need advice. -- === The more we disagree, the more chance there is that at least one of us is right. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Creating a default keyring with passwd.
On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 08:02 -1000, Dave Burns wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Aaron Konstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > wanted to know the passwd to open the > > default keyring. But I am lost in remembering how to do this. > > If you delete the contents of ~/.gnome2/keyrings it starts over at the > beginning. It is supposed to ask you to create a password at some > point, or just use your login password, I am not sure what. > Dave I tried this with no success. Which leaves me with the following questions: 1. Never before has evolution asked for keyring to store a passwd. I mean in versions before F8. How is one supposed to use evolution? No keyrings are defined at this point. 2, What is the name of the default keyring which evolution thinks exists and how do you set its passwd? -- === Why do they call a fast a fast, when it goes so slow? ======= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Creating a default keyring with passwd.
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 08:57 -0400, max bianco wrote: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Aaron Konstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 08:02 -1000, Dave Burns wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Aaron Konstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > wanted to know the passwd to open the > >> > default keyring. But I am lost in remembering how to do this. > >> > >> If you delete the contents of ~/.gnome2/keyrings it starts over at the > >> beginning. It is supposed to ask you to create a password at some > >> point, or just use your login password, I am not sure what. > > > >> Dave > > I tried this with no success. Which leaves me with the following > > questions: > > 1. Never before has evolution asked for keyring to store a passwd. I > > mean in versions before F8. How is one supposed to use evolution? No > > keyrings are defined at this point. > > 2, What is the name of the default keyring which evolution thinks exists > > and how do you set its passwd? > > > > I use the keyring manager to deal with that. I only set it up on the > laptop to store the wireless key which is quite long. It burped a few > times when I first set it up but its been good for a while now. It > actually holds keys to a few access points that I have used. Its been > working quite well for me. I know that some have a less enthusiastic > opinion of it. > > > -Max Ok, keyrings in conjunction with NM have worked before on my laptop. However to answer my questions as I got evolution to work. Evolution wanted the passwd to the default keyring. After fooling around with gnome-keyring-manager I determined that the keyring wanted was named: default-keyring. How is one supposed to know that? Another strange thing when I created the keyring with gnome-keyring-manager it was set up with a passwd. However when I used evolution I had to create the passwd for the keyring all over again. I can't believe that I was the only one to have this problem using F8. What did the rest of your do? Does F9 work differently? -- ======= Under every stone lurks a politician. -- Aristophanes === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 12:47 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: > Tim wrote: > > Speaking as someone who studied (at college) computing from the > > component level, and has built systems from the chip level. I mean > > breadboarding CPUs, RAM, I/O, etc., not just putting together IBM > > clones. As well as studying programming at that level (hand compiling > > the op-codes from mnemonics used to write the program). I'm quite > > astounded by the number of people who want to redefine what an OS is, to > > something that it's not, just to suit their egos. The OS simply is that > > which lets software make use of the hardware, not what makes it > > convenient for us to make use of it. > > > > So answer this: Which bit of the software on this computer system is it > > that actually does the OS functions, the *real* OS function? > > With all that education you have, perhaps you can explain something I've been > wondering about: Why do we have both terms "kernel" and "operating system" if > they're both the same thing? > > If people can't agree on what an operating system is, but do agree on what a > kernel is, maybe we should avoid the ambiguity of "operating system" and > simply call a kernel a kernel? > > Björn Persson > At the risk of violating my own prohibition I am forced to respond to the above e-mail. The kernel and the operating system are certainly not the same thing in the same sense that the engine and the car are not the same thing. -- ======= What's so funny? === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9: Network address problems
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 15:35 -0500, Seann Clark wrote: > All, > > I have had issues with Fedora lately (past 4 version now) that most > of the time I have gotten past after a while, but don't have anything > uniform to solve this. Here is the situation: > > When installing a new system to replace an old one, I set up the new > system with it's own unique IP address (say 192.168.1.5) while keeping > the old server online to serve traffic (say 192.168.10.2). After getting > the new system up and online, tested Q/C'ed and ready to deploy, I take > it off the network and re-IP it. No big deal. What I do to do this is: > > ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.240 > > vim /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 > and make changes as appropriate. After that I adjust all the programs to > use the new address and test them with it as well. It works perfectly... > until a reboot... > > Usually what happens is Fedora will boot happily, for the most part, but > network socket Dependant items, like ssh, httpd, mysql, radius, ldap, > etc fail when coming online since there is no IP address assigned that > matches what they were configured for (the new/changed IP). When I > re-run the network script in init.d (or service network restart, same > thing) everything network wise comes up fine, no problem. It is just on > boot that it fails. > > Does anyone have any ideas on what I could have missed, and/or what I > could improve with this? Are you sure the network service is restarted at boot? Also is ther an ip address defined in the /etc/sysconfig/network file. > -- === Time sharing: The use of many people by the computer. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 20:51 +, g wrote: > Craig White wrote: > > > came back when I tried to print from Firefox... > > so maybe you *and* firefox need to be in 'lp' group. > > > -- > > tc,hago. > The group of the user and firefox is irrelevant. > -- === I can live without Someone I love But not without Someone I need. -- "Safety" ======= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 15:58 -0700, Craig White wrote: > On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 22:52 +, g wrote: > > Craig White wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 21:21 +, g wrote: > > >> Craig White wrote: > > >> > > >>> I hope that you won't mind that I will continue to ignore your > > >>> suggestions thinking that they are not useful and even if they worked, > > >>> that isn't the intended behavior and thus no solution at all. > > >> not at all. what ever churns your butter. > > >> > > >> if such an easy change is too much for you, then do not. after all it > > >> is your system to fight with. > > >> > > >> as for me, i did spend a couple minutes to make change, as i found thru > > >> google, and it did work. granted, it may something different in your > > >> system. > > >> > > >> i do know/recall that i did have to add myself to 'lp' group, under > > >> mandrake 9 and 10, when i could not print as a 'user', but could as > > >> 'root'. > > > > > > > > I would rather remove the line once in a while than start mucking with > > > system groups but more to the point and the one you seem to be missing > > > is that the bandaid approach you suggest helps no one else. I'm far more > > > interested in a real solution to the problem because others are sure to > > > experience this issue. > > > > i am in full understanding of your reasoning and desire to find *where* > > failure is coming from. > > > > with no more response than you have of one other poster so far, would > > this not tend to show that it would be something you 2 have in common > > in configuring your system? granted, it is something that should not > > happen. but it is. > > > > therefore i would think that you and andy need to see what you have in > > common in setups, permissions, and paths, etc. > > > > also, a request for others who are using cups, if they would check > > cupsd.conf and printers.conf files to see if authentication line > > is present. > > > > then, if you have a large response of line present, you have narrowed > > you search to other than just cups. > > > > just a suggestion. use it or not. > > Not a chance... > > because I reverted to distribution version of cupsd.conf and have only 2 > printers configured and the configuration is fairly basic. > > I put in a bugzilla report. > > I know that Tim Waugh usually monitors this list but guess he must be on > a summer vacation because he is the master of all things printers on > RH/Fedora. > > We'll get to the bottom of it - and I'm pretty patient and suspect that > Tim will sound off in a few days. > > Craig Tim may be an expert but for instructions in configuring cupsd.cong the documentation you can access through the cups web page (localhost:631) is really very good and definitive. I would try that if I were you. -- === People humiliating a salami! === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Network printer setup
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 20:57 -0400, Vincent Onelli wrote: > Hi there all, > > Is there some detailed guide line on haw to setup a printer? I am new on > Linux and most of the entry I do not even know what it means. I would > very much appreciate if some one can give me a detailed guideline on > what to enter on various setup phase, because everything I tried so far > did not work. > I have: Dell Dimension 8300. > Netgear router WGR614v6 > Printer Server Netgear PS101 > Printer Epson Stylus Color 1520 > It work fine with windows and these are the setting as listed on the > router: Printer Server Netgear PS101. Lan manager printer port PSE6D76B > Printer server portLPT1:PSE6D76B > Server Name PSE6D76B > PI Address 192.168.1.3 > > Epson Setup: NameEpson1520 > Hostname192.168.1.3 > Queue PSE6D76B > > Thank you in advance > Vinny > I would look at the documentation accessible at the cups web page (localhost:631). -- === Leona, I want to CONFESS things to you ... I want to WRAP you in a SCARLET ROBE trimmed with POLYVINYL CHLORIDE ... I want to EMPTY your ASHTRAYS ... ======= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Export and Import Printer configuration
On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 09:03 -0400, TechList wrote: > Hello, > I used to use printconf-tui -Xexport and printconf-tui -Ximport to copy > printer configuration from one machine to another so that for machines on the > same network I only have to set printer by hand once with > system-config-printer. > It seems that this feature no longer exists in Fedora 8. What is the way to > copy printer configuration now ? should I just copy everything > under /etc/cups ? > > Thanks for any help. > TLP > Are they all using the same printer. If they are and they are on the same lan no copying is needed. All the machines will use the printer configured with cupsd.conf on one of them. The client.conf makes that happen. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora 8 and partitioning
On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 10:08 -0700, Adil Drissi wrote: > Hi, > > I have winXP installed in my laptop. > > When installing it i choose to create a new partition (D:) that i was > intending to use for fedora8. > > After installing fedora 8, now i have both operating systems windows uses c: > (20GB) i have D: accessible from windows that i can format to either FAT or > NTFS, but fedora only uses the remaining space so now i cannot run any > program, even mozilla does not work. > > So my question is if there is a way to increase fedora's partition, knowing > that i have access to c: but not to d: from fedora. > I'm using fedora8 because i'm intending to use a software that only runs in > version 8. > > Thank you for advance To have fedora and WinXP on the same machine you do not create a partition D:. When you install F8 you can re-format that partition as a ext3 p[partition as well as reallocate the space to handle the F8 system. partd and gpartd can be used in Fedora to re-size partitions also. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Export and Import Printer configuration
On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 17:31 -0400, TechList wrote: > On Sunday 27 July 2008 03:54:44 pm Aaron Konstam wrote: > > On Sun, 2008-07-27 at 09:03 -0400, TechList wrote: > > > Hello, > > > I used to use printconf-tui -Xexport and printconf-tui -Ximport to copy > > > printer configuration from one machine to another so that for machines on > > > the same network I only have to set printer by hand once with > > > system-config-printer. > > > It seems that this feature no longer exists in Fedora 8. What is the way > > > to copy printer configuration now ? should I just copy everything > > > under /etc/cups ? > > > > > > Thanks for any help. > > > TLP > > > > Are they all using the same printer. If they are and they are on the > > same lan no copying is needed. All the machines will use the printer > > configured with cupsd.conf on one of them. The client.conf makes that > > happen. > > I don't understand that. Could you elaborate ? > > Right now there are two situation. One situation, is that I have 1 machine > that acts as a print server with the printer physically connected to it (e.g > via USB port). Say I have 5 other computers on the LAN, I have to configure > printer on each of those 5 computer to use the same print server, right ? How > do I avoid doing "system-config-printer" five times on those machine ? What I am telling you is your assumption is wrong. The way cups works , if a printer is configured on one machine on the lan all the other machines on the lan. You should not have to any configuring on the other machines at all. If it makes you feel better you can fill in the name of the serer on the appropriate line In /etc/cups/client.conf on the client machines, but that need not be done if all the computers are not on the ame lan. The server machine broadcasts the configuration to the client machines. > > A second situation is that the printer sits on the network (e.g a printer > with > ethernet and HP Jet Direct protocol). If I have multiple computer that tries > to use that printer, how do I set it up once and just copy the configuration > among those computers ? > > On each of the case, I use to be able to just configure printer once with > system-config-printer, then do something like > "printconf-tui -Xexport > settings.xml", copy around the settings.xml file, > and do "printconf-tui -Ximport < settings.xml" for the other computers Again nothing need to be done on the client machines on the same lan, Look at local host:631 (web address) on the client machines and you will see the printers. printconf-tui is old pre-cups technology. -- =========== Without love intelligence is dangerous; without intelligence love is not enough. -- Ashley Montagu === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Missing Hardwae option
Where in F9 is the equivalent of: System-> Preferences->Hardware->Removable Drives and Media? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Removing the clicking noise.
Currently in F9 when I complete an operation like remove a mail message I get a clicking noise. The noise occurs whenever an operation is completed. How can it be stopped? -- === People are unconditionally guaranteed to be full of defects. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 14:15 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote: > Hi all, > > Reading the last couple emails from another thread on maybe new list or > two, and to segregate the content to them was brought up and have couple > new list names that might help make sense or to get the ball rolling? > > fedora-list(this one) - General Fedora talk, opinions, suggestions, > comments, distro wars, all that type stuff not support related. > > fedora-user-list or fedora-support-list - Bug references, problems with > software, computer won't boot, email don't work, firefox plugins not > working, etc.. where problems are asked about and responded to on > *official releases*. > > fedora-testers-list - as is, for testing alpha, beta, preview, rc > releases when preparing a new release. > > fedora-devel-list - as is, for development of fedora, and the rest that > is currently used on that list. > > See the url below for currently created lists already being used.. > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/ > > Would this help make things better? > No but it explains why this list has become more useless, in that my questions are not answered. The redhat/fedora discussion has existed on a single list for ove a decade and a half. Why does it need to be broken up now? I am just frustrated. -- === Tell me what to think!!! === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 22:04 +0200, Anders Karlsson wrote: > * Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20080728 21:48]: > > On Monday 28 July 2008 20:15:54 Mike Chambers wrote: > [snip] > > > Would this help make things better? > > > > > In theory, yes. In practice, not unless there is moderator support for > > making > > sure that non-support threads go to the relevant list. > > I'm sure we could manage that. :) > > /Anders > I don't think we could handle that. This split is a really bad idea. -- === Only two of my personalities are schizophrenic, but one of them is paranoid and the other one is out to get him. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 14:15 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote: > Hi all, > > Reading the last couple emails from another thread on maybe new list or > two, and to segregate the content to them was brought up and have couple > new list names that might help make sense or to get the ball rolling? > > fedora-list(this one) - General Fedora talk, opinions, suggestions, > comments, distro wars, all that type stuff not support related. > > fedora-user-list or fedora-support-list - Bug references, problems with > software, computer won't boot, email don't work, firefox plugins not > working, etc.. where problems are asked about and responded to on > *official releases*. > > fedora-testers-list - as is, for testing alpha, beta, preview, rc > releases when preparing a new release. > > fedora-devel-list - as is, for development of fedora, and the rest that > is currently used on that list. > > See the url below for currently created lists already being used.. > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/ > > Would this help make things better? The above address is hardd to bring up without the correct certificate. I was glad to see there is no fedora-user-list. -- === Xerox never comes up with anything original. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: New support lists?
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 22:16 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Monday 28 July 2008 23:04:20 Aaron Konstam wrote: > > No but it explains why this list has become more useless, in that my > > questions are not answered. The redhat/fedora discussion has existed on > > a single list for more than a decade and a half. Why does it need to be > > broken > > up now? > > Because there used to be 95% support and 5% chat. Now it's the reverse > > Anne That is because people can't control themselves and they won't do any better under the split system. I hope this is an idea that will jut die. I have enough trouble monitoring the 5 or 6 lists I must monitor now. -- === Q: What is orange and goes "click, click?" A: A ball point carrot. ======= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
