Re: please help! -- F12: login disallowed upon changing shell from bash to tcsh
--- On Fri, 12/18/09, Aldo Foot luni...@gmail.com wrote: From: Aldo Foot luni...@gmail.com Subject: Re: please help! -- F12: login disallowed upon changing shell from bash to tcsh To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 2:43 PM On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Globe Trotter itsme_...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I installed F12 from the LXDE spin and it came up all right. However, upon changing my login shell from bash to tcsh, I can no longer log in using the graphical desktop. Specifically I get the message: Failed to execute login command After a day's worth of troubleshooting, I have tracked it down to changing the login shell from bash to tcsh. Any suggestions as to how i can have tcsh as well as be able to log in? Btw, I am using slim because I am using the LXDE spin. Any help is much appreciated!! Best wishes, T So... the tcsh rpm is installed? $ rpm -qa tcsh tcsh-6.15-8.fc12 Yes, it is! Best wishes, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
please help! -- F12: login disallowed upon changing shell from bash to tcsh
Hi, I installed F12 from the LXDE spin and it came up all right. However, upon changing my login shell from bash to tcsh, I can no longer log in using the graphical desktop. Specifically I get the message: Failed to execute login command After a day's worth of troubleshooting, I have tracked it down to changing the login shell from bash to tcsh. Any suggestions as to how i can have tcsh as well as be able to log in? Btw, I am using slim because I am using the LXDE spin. Any help is much appreciated!! Best wishes, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
mounting ext3 partition as ext4 without formatting Fedora 12/LXDE spin
Hi, I have been trying to mount my home directory which is in a separate partition containing data and that I do not want to format upon install. However, the LXDE spin seems to want to mount it as ext3 unless i format it upon installation. Is there a way to get around this problem? Best, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
backspace on epdfview F11/12
Hi, I recently started using epdfview which comes with the XFCE and LXDE spins on Fedora. However the backspace key seems (to me) to have a counter-intuitive action which is that it makes the document page forward. I have tried this on F11 and F12 (only). Both with the same results. Any suggestions as to how to fix this? Backspace works fine with everything else. Many thanks and best wishes, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
epdfview and backspace
Hi, Just tried epdfview on xubuntu. It appears that backspace does not have the strange behavior that i reported earlier on F11/12 i.e. the pages move forward rather than backward, rather counter-intuitively. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what to do? T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Daily Kernel Panics
--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Hiisi very-c...@rambler.ru wrote: From: Hiisi very-c...@rambler.ru Subject: Re: Daily Kernel Panics To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 2:34 AM 2009/12/12 Steven Stern subscribed-li...@sterndata.com: On 12/11/2009 03:45 PM, Hiisi wrote: 2009/12/11 Steven Sternsubscribed-li...@sterndata.com: How do I report these? I get about one a day, typically while in Firefox and doing something else. The machine locks up tight (flashing num and scroll locks) and requires power cycling and nothing seems to get logged. Abrt doesn't see it after restart. I have had this problem in the past with Fedora 9, I believe using ATI graphics cards. I tracked it down to glxgears (posted to this group then) getting invoked and eliminated it to get around this problem. Specifically, I did yum erase glx-utils This may not work for you because you may use glxgears for something but it did work for me. Best wishes, T -- Steve The same here: Linux ***.** 2.6.30.9-102.fc11.i586 #1 SMP Thu Dec 3 23:46:37 EST 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux And yes, Firefox is not always involved. I've already asked the question on this list (haven't received any responses). How do you know it's kernel panic? When the machine locks up, the caps-lock and scroll-light both flash. What's really annoying is that if I'm playing music, it gets really weird and scares the cats. -- Steve Do you have desktop effects enabled? I found that my system is much more stable with desktop effects turned off [1]. My video is ATI [2] with driver 'ati' [3]. Footmarks: 1. ~]$ uptime 10:27:28 up 3 days, 9:22, 3 users, load average: 0.25, 0.22, 0.18 2. ~]$ lspci [--SNIP--] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600] 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600] (Secondary) 3. ati - Vendor-supplied driver for ati cards -- Hiisi. Registered Linux User #487982. Be counted at: http://counter.li.org/ -- Spandex is a privilege, not a right. -- SIP: hi...@ekiga.net -- pub 1024D/085B139A -- Powered by Fedora: http://fedoraproject.org/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
lxde spin for F12
hi, does anyone know where the lxde spin for f12 is? i thought it would be available for download two days ago, but i can not find it yet best, t -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
lxde spin for F12
Hi, Does anyone know where the LXDE spin is for F12? I could not find it anywhere here: http://spins.fedoraproject.org/#alphaorder which is what leads to from the main website. Trying this was no good either: I could not locate the download file: http://spins.fedoraproject.org/lxde/#downloads Any help? Best, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: strange issue with XFCE spin LiveCD
--- On Fri, 10/9/09, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: From: Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com Subject: Re: strange issue with XFCE spin LiveCD To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 2:33 PM On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 06:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Globe Trotter itsme_...@yahoo.com wrote: ...snip... None of the suggestions in the wiki has worked. Note that I can not install F11 (because I can not get in with the LiveCD). It comes up fine, but the button for automatic login is not clickable and freezes my machine. Here again are the details for the hardware: should I file in bugzilla? Under what component? Dell Precision Workstation T7400 nSeries ...snip... 512MB PCIe x16 ATI Fire GL V7700, Dual Monitor DVI capable You specifically tried these: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F11_bugs#radeon-misc-gfx Many of these comments are after installation, not before. These files do not exist at this point. The problem is that the LiveCD freezes the moment the Automatic Login is clicked. You can try also booting with: 'xdriver=vesa' and see if it helps any. I have tried xdriver=vesa nomodeset as well as kernelmodeset=0 to no avail. The freeze happens irrespective of whether I use the XFCE or (Gnome) F11 LiveCD. I was able to get an installation done with the LiveCD using textinstall and removing rhgb but I was not given any option on custom layout for partitioning my HDD. Worse, on firstboot, the machine refused to go beyond the timezone selection: froze ten times when the next button was clicked. I wonder if the F10 LiveCD would work! Best, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: strange issue with XFCE spin LiveCD
Hi, --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: From: Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com Subject: Re: strange issue with XFCE spin LiveCD To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 2:46 PM On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 16:25:37 + (GMT) Globe Trotter itsme_...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I have been trying to install the 64-bit version of the XFCE spin from the live install on my shiny new Dell Precision using the T7700 processor (dual quad-core, 16GB RAM) and have been running into one strange problem. The LiveCD cranks up, and after numerous statements on sector errors, comes up seemingly fine. However it freezes when I click (or hit return) on Automatic Login. My first thoughts on the CD being bad are negated perhaps(?) by the fact that the CD boots and installs fine (without any apparent) hitch on another 64-bit Thinkpad T-61 (dual-core 4GB RAM). Any suggestions on how to figure out what is going on? How can I get around this freeze of LiveCD install problem? What video card do you have in the problem machine? Try the section for your video card from: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F11_bugs#Hardware-related_issues and see if any of those help? I wonder if it could be the cd reader on that machine as well? Do you have a usb key? You could put the live on the usb and boot from it if so to rule that out. kevin None of the suggestions in the wiki has worked. Note that I can not install F11 (because I can not get in with the LiveCD). It comes up fine, but the button for automatic login is not clickable and freezes my machine. Here again are the details for the hardware: should I file in bugzilla? Under what component? Dell Precision Workstation T7400 nSeries Date 4/29/2009 10:47:42 AM Central Standard Time Catalog Number 25 Retail rc959554 Catalog Number / Description Product Code Qty SKU Id Dell Precision Workstation T7400 - nSeries: Quad Core Intel® Xeon® Processor X5482 (3.20GHz,2X6M L2,1600) T632N 1 [223-5089] 1 Operating System: FreeDOS™ operating system installation CD DOS 1 [420-1556] 11 2nd Processor: Quad Core Intel® Xeon® Processor X5482 (3.20GHz,2X6M L2,1600) PR32QC 1 [311-8069] 2 Memory: 16GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 800MHz, ECC (4 DIMMS) 16G4E8 1 [311-7701] 3 Keyboard: USB Entry Quietkey, No Hot Keys U 1 [310-7949] 4 Graphic Cards: 512MB PCIe x16 ATI Fire GL V7700, Dual Monitor DVI capable 2ATIV77 1 [320-7357] 6 DVD and Read-Write Devices: 16XDVD AND 16XDVD+/-RW, Data Only RM16DVD 1 [313-5954] 16 Floppy Drive and Media Card Reader Options: No Floppy Drive NFD 1 [341-3414] 10 Speakers: Internal Chassis Speaker,Dell INTSPK 1 [313-5938] 18 Hard Drive Configuration: C9 All SATA drives, RAID 1, 2 drive total configuration SR12 1 [341-5377] 9 Boot Hard Drive: 500GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 16MB DataBurst Cache™ 500ST 1 [341-5355] 8 2nd Hard Drive: 500GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 16MB DataBurst Cache™ 500STA 1 [341-5361] 23 Best, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
strange issue with XFCE spin LiveCD
Hi, I have been trying to install the 64-bit version of the XFCE spin from the live install on my shiny new Dell Precision using the T7700 processor (dual quad-core, 16GB RAM) and have been running into one strange problem. The LiveCD cranks up, and after numerous statements on sector errors, comes up seemingly fine. However it freezes when I click (or hit return) on Automatic Login. My first thoughts on the CD being bad are negated perhaps(?) by the fact that the CD boots and installs fine (without any apparent) hitch on another 64-bit Thinkpad T-61 (dual-core 4GB RAM). Any suggestions on how to figure out what is going on? How can I get around this freeze of LiveCD install problem? Best wishes, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: strange issue with XFCE spin LiveCD
--- On Sun, 10/4/09, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: From: Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com Subject: Re: strange issue with XFCE spin LiveCD To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 2:46 PM On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 16:25:37 + (GMT) Globe Trotter itsme_...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I have been trying to install the 64-bit version of the XFCE spin from the live install on my shiny new Dell Precision using the T7700 processor (dual quad-core, 16GB RAM) and have been running into one strange problem. The LiveCD cranks up, and after numerous statements on sector errors, comes up seemingly fine. However it freezes when I click (or hit return) on Automatic Login. My first thoughts on the CD being bad are negated perhaps(?) by the fact that the CD boots and installs fine (without any apparent) hitch on another 64-bit Thinkpad T-61 (dual-core 4GB RAM). Any suggestions on how to figure out what is going on? How can I get around this freeze of LiveCD install problem? What video card do you have in the problem machine? Try the section for your video card from: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F11_bugs#Hardware-related_issues and see if any of those help? I wonder if it could be the cd reader on that machine as well? Do you have a usb key? You could put the live on the usb and boot from it if so to rule that out. kevin Hi, Thanks very much! Here is my entire configuration: my graphics card is an ATI Fire GL 512MB PCIe x16 ATI Fire GL V7700, Dual Monitor DVI capable 2ATIV77. I will look into the usb key? I will also try the nomodeset option advised on the hardware-related issues link you sent. Many thanks again, T Dell Precision Workstation T7400 nSeries Date 4/29/2009 10:47:42 AM Central Standard Time Catalog Number 25 Retail rc959554 Catalog Number / Description Product Code Qty SKU Id Dell Precision Workstation T7400 - nSeries: Quad Core Intel® Xeon® Processor X5482 (3.20GHz,2X6M L2,1600) T632N 1 [223-5089] 1 Operating System: FreeDOS™ operating system installation CD DOS 1 [420-1556] 11 2nd Processor: Quad Core Intel® Xeon® Processor X5482 (3.20GHz,2X6M L2,1600) PR32QC 1 [311-8069] 2 Memory: 16GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 800MHz, ECC (4 DIMMS) 16G4E8 1 [311-7701] 3 Keyboard: USB Entry Quietkey, No Hot Keys U 1 [310-7949] 4 Graphic Cards: 512MB PCIe x16 ATI Fire GL V7700, Dual Monitor DVI capable 2ATIV77 1 [320-7357] 6 DVD and Read-Write Devices: 16XDVD AND 16XDVD+/-RW, Data Only RM16DVD 1 [313-5954] 16 Floppy Drive and Media Card Reader Options: No Floppy Drive NFD 1 [341-3414] 10 Monitor: No Monitor Option NMN 1 [320-3316] 5 Mouse: No Mouse Option NMS 1 [310-1247] 12 Speakers: Internal Chassis Speaker,Dell INTSPK 1 [313-5938] 18 Resource DVD: Resource DVD - Contains Diagnostics and Drivers RDVD 1 [313-5955] 21 Hard Drive Configuration: C9 All SATA drives, RAID 1, 2 drive total configuration SR12 1 [341-5377] 9 Boot Hard Drive: 500GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 16MB DataBurst Cache™ 500ST 1 [341-5355] 8 2nd Hard Drive: 500GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 16MB DataBurst Cache™ 500STA 1 [341-5361] 23 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fribidi error with abiword on F11
--- On Thu, 10/1/09, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: From: Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com Subject: Re: fribidi error with abiword on F11 To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 2:35 AM On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:47:43 -0700 (PDT), Globe wrote: /usr/local/lib/libfribidi.so.0 (0x00502000) undefined symbol: fribidi_get_type $ echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH /usr/local/lib Clearly some setting somewhere which got set: wonder where.It happened after a installing the printer and the associated hp* rpms, btw. What hp* rpms in particular? And it doesn't explain why you installed an incompatible fribidi lib into /usr/local. If you don't need that library for anything else, you could simply delete any traces of it below /usr/local Thanks very much! The fribidi was from an old installation from the ancient days over two years ago when I hadn-installed and used fvwm. I got rid of them and things work. It still does not explain why installing the hp* rpms (hpic, hplip, hpijs, hping3 and dependencies) made this problem show up. I also installed the .ppd for my JetDirect printer by hand since it would not show up otherwise as a network discovered printer. Best wishes, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Presto, a comment -
--- On Fri, 10/2/09, Bob Goodwin bobgood...@wildblue.net wrote: From: Bob Goodwin bobgood...@wildblue.net Subject: Presto, a comment - To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 3:54 PM That certainly eases the pain for those of us who are limited in how much b.w. we can use each month! I've been putting off the updates 'til now. Finishing rebuild of rpms, from deltarpms delta rebuild | 101 MB 00:02 Presto reduced the updates to 27 M from 101 M which is a 74% savings. Package(s) data still to download: 12 M Bob I agree, but I think it would be better if presto said this at the outset, and not after starting the updates. So, when we say yum update, lets say, it would be more helpful to get the value required to be downloaded and then we can decide yes or no. Right now, it says this only after we have decided to update. Still, it is great using presto! Best wishes, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fribidi error with abiword on F11
Hi, Thanks very much for your detailed help and instructions!! $ repoquery --whatprovides libfribidi.so.0 fribidi-0:0.19.2-1.fc11.i586 # repoquery --whatprovides libfribidi.so.0 fribidi-0:0.19.2-1.fc11.i586 $ rpm --query --provides fribidi|grep so libfribidi.so.0 # rpm --query --provides fribidi|grep so libfribidi.so.0 $ objdump -T /usr/lib/libfribidi.so.0|grep get_type 007e79d0 g DF .text 0023 Base fribidi_get_type_internal 007e7a00 g DF .text 0023 Base fribidi_get_type # objdump -T /usr/lib/libfribidi.so.0|grep get_type 06d179d0 g DF .text 0023 Base fribidi_get_type_internal 06d17a00 g DF .text 0023 Base fribidi_get_type 1) Can you show that your fribidi package isn't damaged? Run: rpm -V fribidi As root, I get nothing, as user I get: $ rpm -V fribidi prelink: /usr/bin/fribidi: at least one of file's dependencies has changed since prelinking S.?../usr/bin/fribidi 2) Can you show that the libfribidi.so.0 library is found and linked with /usr/lib/libabiword-2.6.so? Run: ldd -r /usr/lib/libabiword-2.6.so|grep frib ldd -r /usr/lib/libabiword-2.6.so|grep frib libfribidi.so.0 = /usr/local/lib/libfribidi.so.0 (0x00502000) undefined symbol: fribidi_get_type (/usr/lib/libabiword-2.6.so) As root, things are fine and I get: ldd -r /usr/lib/libabiword-2.6.so|grep frib libfribidi.so.0 = /usr/lib/libfribidi.so.0 (0x06d14000) Not as user, though. How do I track this? Best, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fribidi error with abiword on F11
--- On Wed, 9/30/09, Sharpe, Sam J sam.sharpe+lists.red...@gmail.com wrote: From: Sharpe, Sam J sam.sharpe+lists.red...@gmail.com Subject: Re: fribidi error with abiword on F11 To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 2:56 PM 2009/9/30 Globe Trotter itsme_...@yahoo.com: 2) Can you show that the libfribidi.so.0 library is found and linked with /usr/lib/libabiword-2.6.so? Run: ldd -r /usr/lib/libabiword-2.6.so|grep frib ldd -r /usr/lib/libabiword-2.6.so|grep frib libfribidi.so.0 = /usr/local/lib/libfribidi.so.0 (0x00502000) undefined symbol: fribidi_get_type (/usr/lib/libabiword-2.6.so) As root, things are fine and I get: ldd -r /usr/lib/libabiword-2.6.so|grep frib libfribidi.so.0 = /usr/lib/libfribidi.so.0 (0x06d14000) Not as user, though. How do I track this? M that's interesting. As root it's resolving to a library in /usr/lib but as the user it's resolving to a library in /usr/local/lib (why do you have fribidi libraries in /usr/local/lib?) What's the output of this command as root and as the user? # echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH Aha! Here we go: As root: # echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH (nothing) As user: $ echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH /usr/local/lib Clearly some setting somewhere which got set: wonder where.It happened after a installing the printer and the associated hp* rpms, btw. Best wishes, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fribidi error with abiword on F11
--- On Tue, 9/29/09, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: From: Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com Subject: Re: fribidi error with abiword on F11 To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 5:15 AM On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:54:32 -0700 (PDT), Globe wrote: Hi, I have been having the following error when I use abiword on a Word .doc on F11. Specifically, I get the following: abiword: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libabiword-2.6.so: undefined symbol: fribidi_get_type Looking around the web, it appears that I am missing libfribidi0. But this is not available anywhere for F11. So is there another way out, or to get out of this message? Where and how did you look around the web? fribidi-0.19.2-1.fc11 contains libfribidi.so.0 with the symbol you refer to. That library is a direct dependency of abiword. If that fribidi package is not installed on your machine, you've managed to break your installation somehow. It will need a few RPM queries to show what is installed ... and a few repoquery runs to show what packages are available to you. Hi, Thanks very much for your e-mail! Here are the details from % yum list fribidi Loaded plugins: presto, refresh-packagekit Installed Packages fribidi.i586 0.19.2-1.fc11 installed Clearly this is installed. But yum provides */libfribidi0* Loaded plugins: presto, refresh-packagekit adobe-linux-i386/filelists | 138 kB 00:00 fedora/filelists_db| 13 MB 00:02 rpmfusion-free/filelists_db| 322 kB 00:00 rpmfusion-free-updates/filelists_db| 118 kB 00:00 rpmfusion-nonfree/filelists_db | 47 kB 00:00 rpmfusion-nonfree-updates/filelists_db | 46 kB 00:00 updates/filelists_db | 6.8 MB 00:02 No Matches found I wonder if there is a conflict with something else. Best wishes, Trotter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fribidi error with abiword on F11
fribidi-0.19.2-1.fc11 contains libfribidi.so.0 with the symbol you refer to. Clearly this is installed. But yum provides */libfribidi0* libfribidi.so.0 == libfribidi0* Since when? But that was my point! The responder indicated it was. So, how does one get around the missing symbol, as in: abiword: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libabiword-2.6.so: undefined symbol: fribidi_get_type Best, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
fribidi error with abiword on F11
Hi, I have been having the following error when I use abiword on a Word .doc on F11. Specifically, I get the following: abiword: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libabiword-2.6.so: undefined symbol: fribidi_get_type Looking around the web, it appears that I am missing libfribidi0. But this is not available anywhere for F11. So is there another way out, or to get out of this message? best wishes, Trotter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: gToDo RPM for F11?
Hi, Just thought I would mention that I installed gtodo-0.14-1.2.fc7.rf and it works just fine. Not sure why the bugzilla report has problems. T --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Gianluca Sforna gia...@gmail.com wrote: From: Gianluca Sforna gia...@gmail.com Subject: Re: gToDo RPM for F11? To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 1:19 PM On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Globe Trotter itsme_...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Does anyone know if there is a gToDo RPM for F11? anjuta seems to have a plugin for it, but I was wondering if I could get away without installing the whole jig: of course, I do not know if it has the program bundled in there also. I note that there is a phpToDo in F11. someone tried but the review stalled: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497870 someone should revive it... -- Gianluca Sforna http://morefedora.blogspot.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/gianlucasforna -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
sound on Fedora 11 XFCE spin (all machines)
Hi, I have installed the official Fedora 11 XFCE spin on three machines (IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad T61, Dell Precision 650, Dell GPX 270) but sound works on none of them. I have looked around quite a bit using release notes to no avail. I have also gone into alsamixer and unmuted and increased the volume of everything in sight! Still no luck! Is there a place to read and understand what is going on, and how to fix it? This can not be a hardware issue: The Thinkpad is a 64-bit system and the others are 32-bit. All sound worked very well up to and including Fedora 10. (And I much preferred the three-tone sound of system-config-sound, by the way...) Any help is much appreciated! Best wishes, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
gToDo RPM for F11?
Hi, Does anyone know if there is a gToDo RPM for F11? anjuta seems to have a plugin for it, but I was wondering if I could get away without installing the whole jig: of course, I do not know if it has the program bundled in there also. I note that there is a phpToDo in F11. T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: discovering network printers on F11
--- On Thu, 9/17/09, Anne Wilson an...@kde.org wrote:
From: Anne Wilson an...@kde.org
Subject: Re: discovering network printers on F11
To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora.
fedora-list@redhat.com
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 6:12 AM
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On
Wednesday 16 September 2009 22:40:09 Globe Trotter
wrote:
--- On Tue, 9/15/09, Anne Wilson an...@kde.org
wrote:
From: Anne Wilson an...@kde.org
Subject: Re: discovering network printers on F11
To: Community assistance, encouragement, and
advice for using Fedora.
fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Tuesday, September
15, 2009, 7:20 AM
On Tuesday 15 September 2009 09:37:37
Tim Waugh wrote:
On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 08:45 +0100, Anne Wilson
wrote:
According to Linux Format this month, if you
have
SELinux running this is
to be expected, so you'll have to look
for a way
to allow the broadcast
through.
Eh??
Right or wrong, the statement was that the default
SELinux
blocked network
printers. I haven't got it in front of me, but
it
went on to say what needed
allowing in SELinux to make it work.
Don't shoot the messenger ;-)
Thanks, Anne. Where is this article?
I
had mis-remembered. What it actually said (page 10, if you
have LXF 124, November) was that the firewall by default turns
of multicasting. The 'comment' is a bit of a rant,
saying that if something as vital as this is disabled there
should be some way of alerting you to it.
Hmmmsorry I do not have this, but how do you switch this on? Does anyone
know?
Btw, I went and disabled selinux using
system-config-selinux but the printers were still not
discovered. I have
reverted it back to enforcing, but I wonder what the
problem is, and how
to troubleshoot it.
That
rules out SELinux, then. If you haven't done so, check
firewalls - but I think someone already told you to do
that.
Yes, I poked holes to allow the samba and ipp clients through, as well as the
ipp server. Trouble is, I do not understand what to look for. How do I trouble
shoot when the messages in /var/log/messages do not appear to be beyond the
information I provided. Is there any other place to look at?
The ubuntu machine seems to do just fine in discovering the network printers: I
am just trying to understand what is going on here.
Best wishes,
T
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Re: Fedora 11 - Kernel 2.6.29 to 2.6.31
--- On Thu, 9/17/09, Ramesh.R ramesh@gmail.com wrote: From: Ramesh.R ramesh@gmail.com Subject: Fedora 11 - Kernel 2.6.29 to 2.6.31 To: fedora-list@redhat.com Cc: ram...@arasan.com, thangave...@arasan.com Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 1:14 PM Hi Everybody, We are having the x86 PC with Fedora 11 ( which comes with kernel 2.6.29) installed. Now we want to upgrade its Kernel to 2.6.31. We tried as per the 'README' installation notes comes with the 2.6.31 kernel, but failed in our attempt. Could you please help us on upgrading Kernel 2.6.31 to our Fedora 11 environment. Thanks in Advance. Regards, Ramesh The latest kernel on Fedora is a 2.6.30 version. Why do you need 2.6.31? In any case, if you really need that, you may get it from the rawhide repository. yum --enablerepo rawhide install kernel HTH, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: discovering network printers on F11
--- On Thu, 9/17/09, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: From: Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com Subject: Re: discovering network printers on F11 To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 1:37 PM On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 09:35 -0700, Globe Trotter wrote: had mis-remembered. What it actually said (page 10, if you have LXF 124, November) was that the firewall by default turns of multicasting. The 'comment' is a bit of a rant, saying that if something as vital as this is disabled there should be some way of alerting you to it. Hmmmsorry I do not have this, but how do you switch this on? Does anyone know? Btw, I went and disabled selinux using system-config-selinux but the printers were still not discovered. I have reverted it back to enforcing, but I wonder what the problem is, and how to troubleshoot it. That rules out SELinux, then. If you haven't done so, check firewalls - but I think someone already told you to do that. Yes, I poked holes to allow the samba and ipp clients through, as well as the ipp server. Trouble is, I do not understand what to look for. How do I trouble shoot when the messages in /var/log/messages do not appear to be beyond the information I provided. Is there any other place to look at? The ubuntu machine seems to do just fine in discovering the network printers: I am just trying to understand what is going on here. one of the problems with an active list is that you don't always know whose advice to follow and who is just taking shots in the dark. When it comes to printing ALWAYS follow Tim Waugh's advice because he is Red Hat/Fedora printing man. As far as I can tell, you ignored his advice and chased down everyone else's. You probably haven't enabled your system to discover network servers but I think Tim suggested that you run the 'printing troubleshooter' Hi, I did not know that Tim was the printing man, but I did run the printing troubleshooter (which for me is the Troubleshoot button on system-config-printer, is that the right thing?) Sorry to be naive, but how does one enable the system to discover network servers? Thanks very much, everybody, for all the help and advice. T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: discovering network printers on F11
--- On Mon, 9/14/09, Richard England rlengl...@verizon.net wrote: From: Richard England rlengl...@verizon.net Subject: Re: discovering network printers on F11 To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 9:41 PM On 09/14/2009 03:35 PM, Globe Trotter wrote: --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Stefanostef...@darchino.ch wrote: From: Stefanostef...@darchino.ch Subject: Re: discovering network printers on F11 To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 4:46 PM On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Globe Trotteritsme_...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I am trying to discover network printers on F11: I fire up system-config-printer and ask for this to be searched but nothing is found. However, system-config-printer when run on ubuntu is able to find the printers without a hitch at all. What is the setting that is not set right on F11, and how do I fix it? Hi Tray to enable client ipp, for network print, in Firewall (see in System Administration). Bye Ste Hi, Thanks very much! I enabled this (as well as the ipp server) but it had no effect: clicking on the search for network printers and got nothing. My /var/log messages reported the following lines: hp: io/hpmud/pp.c 627: unable to read device-id ret=-1 python: io/hpmud/pp.c 627: unable to read device-id ret=-1 Any suggestions? Best, T Are the printers truly network printers or are they printers attached to other systems (and what are these systems if they exist)? If the other printers are on Windows, have you tried enabling samba ports on the firewall? Hi, Thanks so much! I went back and enabled both the Samba and Samba Client options on my firewall. Do I need both? Even then, no luck. I am not sure what these other systems you refer to are. They may either be Windoze XP (most likely) or RHEL (4 or 5). How can I find out? Best wishes, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: discovering network printers on F11
--- On Tue, 9/15/09, Anne Wilson an...@kde.org wrote: From: Anne Wilson an...@kde.org Subject: Re: discovering network printers on F11 To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 7:20 AM On Tuesday 15 September 2009 09:37:37 Tim Waugh wrote: On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 08:45 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: According to Linux Format this month, if you have SELinux running this is to be expected, so you'll have to look for a way to allow the broadcast through. Eh?? Right or wrong, the statement was that the default SELinux blocked network printers. I haven't got it in front of me, but it went on to say what needed allowing in SELinux to make it work. Don't shoot the messenger ;-) Thanks, Anne. Where is this article? Btw, I went and disabled selinux using system-config-selinux but the printers were still not discovered. I have reverted it back to enforcing, but I wonder what the problem is, and how to troubleshoot it. Best wishes, Trotter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
discovering network printers on F11
Hi, I am trying to discover network printers on F11: I fire up system-config-printer and ask for this to be searched but nothing is found. However, system-config-printer when run on ubuntu is able to find the printers without a hitch at all. What is the setting that is not set right on F11, and how do I fix it? best wishes, Trotter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: discovering network printers on F11
--- On Mon, 9/14/09, Stefano stef...@darchino.ch wrote: From: Stefano stef...@darchino.ch Subject: Re: discovering network printers on F11 To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 4:46 PM On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Globe Trotter itsme_...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I am trying to discover network printers on F11: I fire up system-config-printer and ask for this to be searched but nothing is found. However, system-config-printer when run on ubuntu is able to find the printers without a hitch at all. What is the setting that is not set right on F11, and how do I fix it? Hi Tray to enable client ipp, for network print, in Firewall (see in System Administration). Bye Ste Hi, Thanks very much! I enabled this (as well as the ipp server) but it had no effect: clicking on the search for network printers and got nothing. My /var/log messages reported the following lines: hp: io/hpmud/pp.c 627: unable to read device-id ret=-1 python: io/hpmud/pp.c 627: unable to read device-id ret=-1 Any suggestions? Best, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
A puff piece on the Snow Leopard
However, I do agree that upgrade should not mean more bloat! http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/27/technology/personaltech/27pogue.html?_r=1ref=global-home -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
emacs fonts (my stupid mistake, perhaps)
Hi, I like using the 10x20 font for emacs, and do so using emacs -fn10x20 However, when I do this on my F11 installation, I get: No fonts match '10x20' . I think I must have done something stupid to get here, but I don't recall doing anything strange and out of the ordinary over the past 2 days. In any case, how does one get my preferred font back? Many thanks and best wishes, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: emacs fonts (my stupid mistake, perhaps)
--- On Sat, 7/18/09, stan gr...@q.com wrote: From: stan gr...@q.com Subject: Re: emacs fonts (my stupid mistake, perhaps) To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 12:52 PM On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 09:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Globe Trotter itsme_...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I like using the 10x20 font for emacs, and do so using emacs -fn10x20 However, when I do this on my F11 installation, I get: No fonts match '10x20' . I think I must have done something stupid to get here, but I don't recall doing anything strange and out of the ordinary over the past 2 days. In any case, how does one get my preferred font back? Many thanks and best wishes, T I don't know how much space you have on your HD, but if you do yum list available | grep -i font font_list and install the resulting fonts (some for sure unnecessary), it adds approx 100MB (at least on my system). You then have all official fonts installed. I have not received any font complaints since doing this. Overkill? Maybe. But surely no worse than having i18n for myriad languages I don't speak or read installed for every package. I had the rpmfusion repositories enabled when I did this as well, so I picked up any fonts that have encumbrances associated with them. One possible solution. Hi, Thanks very much! Even without rpmfusion, it wanted to install 254MB worth of rpms. Anyway, I found it! Installing xorg-x11-fonts-misc got me my preferred font:-) Many thanks and best wishes, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
missing audio after F11 install on IBM T61 Thinkpad
Hi, I have been missing audio after installing F11 (from the XFCE spin) on my IBM Thinkpad T61. I looked around and even tried the following: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=206868highlight=problems+sound but this did nothing. alsamixer -c0 brought in a while lot of stuff and I dutifully changed everything from MM to 00 without understanding the implications, but to no avail. Any suggestions? I sort of miss the old system-config-sound and then clicking to see whether sound would work on the older Fedoras (before 10). This machine had previously been upgraded from F8-F9-F10 so I never felt the problems in F10. I chose to install this time because of the ext4 filesystem, etc and hence getting sound working is a different ball-game. Thanks in advance for all the help! Best wishes, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix
--- On Sat, 7/11/09, Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: From: Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 2:29 PM On 07/11/2009 11:54 PM, Globe Trotter wrote: What is not clear? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_a_Live_CD If you have specific questions, feel free to ask. 1. I guess I need F11 running to use your ks? Yes. That would be the easiest way to do it. 2. Do I also need all those rpms in the ks installed? livecd-creator will download them as needed. You don't need to have them installed. Use -cache argument to not have to download it everytime. 3. Do I need to put in your ks in the /usr/share/spin-kickstarts? Or provide the path to the file in the --config option? Where you put it doesn't matter as long as you point livecd-creator to it with the config argument. So, I installed f11 and then tried this. However, I got the following towards the end: Fedora-LXDE-Live: 80160/139264 files (0.6% non-contiguous), 551951/555035 blocks e2fsck 1.41.4 (27-Jan-2009) Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks, and sizes Pass 2: Checking directory structure Pass 3: Checking directory connectivity Pass 4: Checking reference counts Pass 5: Checking group summary information Fedora-LXDE-Live: 80160/196608 files (0.6% non-contiguous), 49/786432 blocks device-mapper: remove ioctl failed: Device or resource busy Command failed /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/imgcreate/errors.py:45: DeprecationWarning: BaseException.message has been deprecated as of Python 2.6 return unicode(self.message) Error creating Live CD : Could not remove snapshot device $ What is going on here? Any suggestions on how to fix this? Btw, this is not important but I was able to get things to work only after putting the .ks file in the /usr/share/spin-kickstarts/ directory. T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix
--- On Wed, 7/15/09, Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: From: Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix To: Globe Trotter itsme_...@yahoo.com Cc: encouragement and advice for using Fedora.Community assistance fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 2:36 PM On 07/15/2009 11:55 PM, Globe Trotter wrote: device-mapper: remove ioctl failed: Device or resource busy Command failed /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/imgcreate/errors.py:45: DeprecationWarning: BaseException.message has been deprecated as of Python 2.6 return unicode(self.message) Error creating Live CD : Could not remove snapshot device Make sure you have run # setenforce 0 I did do this. Before running livecd-creator. Check whether you have enough disk space and run again after a reboot. I have 2.5 GB space. That should be enough, no? In any case, I will run again after a reboot Best, T Btw, this is not important but I was able to get things to work only after putting the .ks file in the /usr/share/spin-kickstarts/ directory. The LXDE ks file inherits the base ks file. You can copy the base ks file to any location and then the path wouldn't matter. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix
OK, rebooting did clear out stuff and I was able to get it to install and work. I modified the .ks file (and this is attached). This may be because of what I brought in (xfburn instead of gnomebaker, claws-mail instead of sylpheed, fetchmail and gcc* -- I personally don't think any linux system should come without gcc) but there is a lot of stuff which gets pulled in which I was surprised to see. Example: Terminal. I was surprised to see that it complained of including lxsesion-lite when I had specifically changed it to lxsession. Btw, how does one get the F bubble instead of the burger-man while Fedora boots? T --- On Wed, 7/15/09, Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: From: Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix To: Globe Trotter itsme_...@yahoo.com Cc: encouragement and advice for using Fedora.Community assistance fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 2:36 PM On 07/15/2009 11:55 PM, Globe Trotter wrote: device-mapper: remove ioctl failed: Device or resource busy Command failed /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/imgcreate/errors.py:45: DeprecationWarning: BaseException.message has been deprecated as of Python 2.6 return unicode(self.message) Error creating Live CD : Could not remove snapshot device Make sure you have run # setenforce 0 Before running livecd-creator. Check whether you have enough disk space and run again after a reboot. Btw, this is not important but I was able to get things to work only after putting the .ks file in the /usr/share/spin-kickstarts/ directory. The LXDE ks file inherits the base ks file. You can copy the base ks file to any location and then the path wouldn't matter. Rahul Fedora-My-LXDE-remix-11.ks Description: Binary data -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix
--- On Wed, 7/15/09, Globe Trotter itsme_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Globe Trotter itsme_...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix To: sunda...@fedoraproject.org, fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 5:59 PM OK, rebooting did clear out stuff and I was able to get it to install and work. I modified the .ks file (and this is attached). This may be because of what I brought in (xfburn instead of gnomebaker, claws-mail instead of sylpheed, fetchmail and gcc* -- I personally don't think any linux system should come without gcc) but there is a lot of stuff which gets pulled in which I was surprised to see. Example: Terminal. I was surprised to see that it complained of including lxsesion-lite when I had specifically changed it to lxsession. Btw, how does one get the F bubble instead of the burger-man while Fedora boots? T Thanks very much! Btw, is there any issue with using the F bubble, since this is not a real F spin, instead of the burger man? Are there other choices available? On a different note, is gnomebaker preferred over Xfburn? The latter seems smaller, certainly. T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix
OK, thanks. Btw, I have an old program (of my own) which uses libssl.so.7. Where do I find this? T --- On Wed, 7/15/09, Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: From: Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 6:33 PM On 07/16/2009 03:52 AM, Globe Trotter wrote: Thanks very much! Btw, is there any issue with using the F bubble, since this is not a real F spin, instead of the burger man? For private use, it doesn't matter. For redistribution, you shouldn't use the primary Fedora trademarks including the logo in visible places for your own live cd's Are there other choices available? Yes. # yum list plymouth-theme-\* to check out the themes and plymouth-set-default-theme --list to list them and the command followed by the name of the theme --rebuild-initrd to switch to a different one Ex: # plymouth-set-default-theme fade-in --rebuild-initrd On a different note, is gnomebaker preferred over Xfburn? The latter seems smaller, certainly. Personally, I haven't had much experience with either of them. So can't really say. Xfburn used to crash and burn in the early releases but I haven't tried it recently. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: question on using febootstrap
--- On Mon, 7/13/09, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: From: Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com Subject: Re: question on using febootstrap To: Globe Trotter itsme_...@yahoo.com, fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 9:07 AM On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 06:00:59AM -0700, Globe Trotter wrote: Failed: filesystem.x86_64 0:2.4.21-1.fc11 Complete! This is OK. It's caused because rpm tries to create /proc, and fakechroot doesn't catch the write and redirect it into the chroot. However failure to create this directory doesn't actually matter. Not sure what the filesystem failure is supposed to mean. Also, where should I put the kickstart file, or its equivalent? If equivalent, then what is it? febootstrap doesn't support kickstart files. If you want to add that, patches are welcomed, and would be an excellent feature. Then, regardless, I tried: $ febootstrap-to-initramfs ./f11 initrd.img 745468 blocks I am little lost as to what I should do after this point to get to a LiveCD. Could you please make suggestions? Not sure what else you're trying to do. Hi, Many thanks! My question is how do I get to a LiveCD from here? Best, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
[Fedora-livecd-list] possible to make F11 LiveCD while running F10?
Hi, I am trying to make a LXDE-based live CD using the kickstart file given in http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/remixes/LXDE/lxde-fedora-remix-11.ks. However, I am currently running Fedora 10. I was wondering: is it possible to make the LiveCD for Fedora 11 while running Fedora 10. If so, what should I do? Many thanks, Trotter -- Fedora-livecd-list mailing list Fedora-livecd-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-livecd-list
Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix
--- On Sat, 7/11/09, Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: From: Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix To: Globe Trotter itsme_...@yahoo.com Cc: encouragement and advice for using Fedora.Community assistance fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 8:05 AM On 07/11/2009 04:29 AM, Globe Trotter wrote: Then you should forget other users testing and evaluating it and gauging response Thank you for your opinion but I have enough feedback necessary. We have enough stats indicating that a large majority of users to continue to use 32-bit systems and I won't be doing any more builds of this remix and yes doing your own builds is a way to contribute if you are interested. Good luck. So, your response to Christoph when you appropriated his hard work, reducing him to a byline, was just something made up to extricate yourself from an indefensible situation? Your response on 32-bit systems is puerile: there has been no claim made that a large majority of users use 32-bit systems. Besides, how do you know anything about 64-bit or other systems in this case, since there is no way you can find out anything about these other systems, once again in this case? I am pretty certain that all new chips are 64-bit: of course, users should continue to use older 32-bit systems if they have any, but you are shutting off development of the LXDE spin to the newer chips. I fail to see how everyone with his/her own private remixes/spins can contribute to the building of an official Fedora remix/spin. Arrogance and whim are not good open-source values: they are best left behind for the closed-source worldas is appropriation which is sort of how windoze started -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Taking a beating with Windoze 7 pricing
I liked this article, so thought I would share http://blogs.computerworld.com/taking_a_beating_with_windows_7_pricing#comment-149481 Meanwhile, there is an older article which I had not seen before: http://blogs.computerworld.com/macs_windows_7_and_linux Enjoy! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix
What is so indefensible about saying that I don't have a 64-bit system to create a 64-bit variant for you nor do I have the time to test more variants? As far as I can see, you want a 64-bit variant and you seem upset that I didn't volunteer my time to create that for you. Actually, I am put off by your responses, not by your legitimate point that you do not have access to a 64-bit system. Your response on 32-bit systems is puerile: there has been no claim made that a large majority of users use 32-bit systems. Actually, there is clear evidence for this. See smolt.org stats for example. No question, but the line you took out from my response says that there is no way you can measure interest in 64-bit or other LXDE since there is no way this can be gauged since it is not provided. I fail to see how everyone with his/her own private remixes/spins can contribute to the building of an official Fedora remix/spin. It is fairly easy, take the kickstart file, do your own builds and report problems or other feedback to the package maintainers and remix or spin maintainers. Yes, but the step-by-step instructions are far from clear. Also, I would perhaps add some of my own rpms that i believe should be in... Arrogance and whim are not good open-source values: they are best left behind for the closed-source worldas is appropriation which is sort of how windoze started You have thrown such accusations at me before for no good reason. This course of discussion is not constructive. I suggest you use your energy in a better way. Good! I guess we agree that these are not good values. Rahul Ps: Your mail client doesn't line wrap properly. This is the virtues of using a commercial mailer... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix
Yes, but the step-by-step instructions are far from clear. Also, I would perhaps add some of my own rpms that i believe should be in... What is not clear? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_a_Live_CD If you have specific questions, feel free to ask. 1. I guess I need F11 running to use your ks? 2. Do I also need all those rpms in the ks installed? 3. Do I need to put in your ks in the /usr/share/spin-kickstarts? Or provide the path to the file in the --config option? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix
--- On Sat, 7/11/09, Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: From: Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 2:29 PM On 07/11/2009 11:54 PM, Globe Trotter wrote: What is not clear? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_a_Live_CD If you have specific questions, feel free to ask. 1. I guess I need F11 running to use your ks? Yes. That would be the easiest way to do it. So, is it possible to run F10 and create a F11 LiveCD? If so, how? 2. Do I also need all those rpms in the ks installed? livecd-creator will download them as needed. You don't need to have them installed. Use -cache argument to not have to download it everytime. 3. Do I need to put in your ks in the /usr/share/spin-kickstarts? Or provide the path to the file in the --config option? Where you put it doesn't matter as long as you point livecd-creator to it with the config argument. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix
--- On Sat, 7/11/09, Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: From: Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix To: Globe Trotter itsme_...@yahoo.com Cc: encouragement and advice for using Fedora.Community assistance fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 4:31 PM On 07/12/2009 12:36 AM, Globe Trotter wrote: So, is it possible to run F10 and create a F11 LiveCD? If so, how? It should be possible using febootstrap. http://et.redhat.com/~rjones/febootstrap/ Where does one put in the ks file? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Fw: Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix
--- On Sat, 7/11/09, Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: From: Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix To: Globe Trotter itsme_...@yahoo.com Cc: encouragement and advice for using Fedora.Community assistance fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 4:44 PM On 07/12/2009 02:10 AM, Globe Trotter wrote: Where does one put in the ks file? Not sure I understand the question. You can use any path. Well, one does: febootstrap fedora-10 ./f10 Then, I am guessing, febootstrap-to-initramfs ./f10 initrd.img And this is where I come to a full stop.then what? I understand this is a different option: not clear what to do with this. Best! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix
OK, So i did the following: $ febootstrap --groupinstall=LXDE fedora-11 ./f11 and got the following: ... zlib.x86_64 0:1.2.3-22.fc11 Failed: filesystem.x86_64 0:2.4.21-1.fc11 Complete! Not sure what the filesystem failure is supposed to mean. Then I tried: $ febootstrap-to-initramfs ./f11 initrd.img 745468 blocks $ Is everything OK? Now where do we go from here? Best wishes! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix
--- On Fri, 7/10/09, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: From: Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com Subject: Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 3:10 AM On 10/07/09 06:48, Globe Trotter wrote: Hi, Does anyone know where I could download a 64-bit LXDE spin/remix for Fedora? Sort of like the one created by Rahul for 386-based processors? Many thanks, T No, it's just not ready for a solo career as yet. Best bet, would be to install it thought the Fedora 11 64bit DVD. Regards, Frank Thanks! I do not understand why the 64-bit version was not released (along with the 32-bit version), especially since one of the goals was to gauge interest and gather feedback. Best, T. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix
--- On Fri, 7/10/09, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: From: Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com Subject: Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 11:41 AM On 10/07/09 16:34, Globe Trotter wrote: Thanks! I do not understand why the 64-bit version was not released (along with the 32-bit version), especially since one of the goals was to gauge interest and gather feedback. Not for me to speculate on that. Neither for me. It just does not make sense at all Check with: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LXDE_SIG as how best it is going\ how best to help.. Thanks! This does not help with getting a standalone spin/remix however... T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix
--- On Fri, 7/10/09, Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: From: Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: 64-bit LXDE spin/remix To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 2:23 PM On 07/10/2009 10:01 PM, Globe Trotter wrote: --- On Fri, 7/10/09, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: Not for me to speculate on that. Neither for me. It just does not make sense at all It does for me. I choose to build it only for x86_32 since that's what I had quick access to (my laptop is not 64-bit capable) and time to test. You are free to create your variant instead of waiting on someone else to do that for you. Then you should forget other users testing and evaluating it and gauging response, which was your rationale for releasing it early (as per your response to Christoph). How does everyone creating his/her own variant contribute to testing the respin/remix which will go on Fedora? Much better to obtain feedback on a starting point (remix/spin). T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
64-bit LXDE spin/remix
Hi, Does anyone know where I could download a 64-bit LXDE spin/remix for Fedora? Sort of like the one created by Rahul for 386-based processors? Many thanks, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
increasing time spent on grub during pm-hibernate
Dear all, When my machine wakes up from pm-hibernate, I spend less than a second on the grub bootloader. I am wondering if and how this can be increased to (say) 5 seconds? Many thanks and best wishes, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: using a phone modem on F10 on a Thinkpad T61
--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Antonio Olivares olivares14...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Antonio Olivares olivares14...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: using a phone modem on F10 on a Thinkpad T61 To: encouragement and advice for using Fedora.Community assistance fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 4:52 PM --- On Wed, 6/24/09, Globe Trotter itsme_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Globe Trotter itsme_...@yahoo.com Subject: using a phone modem on F10 on a Thinkpad T61 To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 1:21 PM So, I know this is kind of ancient, but I am behind a phone line on a IBM Thinkpad T61 and was wondering if anyone could please help me with how to set it up for Fedora 10. Best, T -- Trotter, Please visit LinModems.org page: http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/ Download scanModem.gz http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/scanModem.gz copy it to your home folder/directory $ gunzip scanModem.gz $ chmod +x scanModem $ su - passwd: # ./scanModem will run and write folder Modem/ with ModemData.txt please send it to me not list here(you can register at linmodems.org site and send to disc...@linmodems.org at your discretion), but I think I can help so please send it to me if you want. I hope that the modem is not a difficult one and that we can help get you online with Fedora. If it is a cell phone that you will use as a modem, then you may safely run from a terminal $ su - passwd: # wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf and it will scan for modem ports and may find one like at /dev/ttyUSB0, or /dev/ttyACM0 or something related. Then you may edit the /etc/wvdial.conf file as root add your username, password and ISP's phone number and get connected. Hope this helps, Antonio -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines hi antonio, here is the ModemData attached. Thanks very much for all your help! T PS: I attach as text in case the attachment file does not make it through... Only plain text email is forwarded by the disc...@linmodems.org List Server, as HTML can contain viruses. Use as the email Subject Line: YourName, YourCountry kernel 2.6.27.24-170.2.68.fc10.x86_64 With this Subject Line cogent experts will be alerted, and useful case names left in the Archive. YourCountry will enable Country specific guidance. Linux experts in YourCountry can be found through: http://www.linux.org/groups/index.html. They will know your Country's modem code, which may be essential for dialup service. Responses from disc...@linmodems.org are sometimes blocked by an Internet Provider mail filters. So in a day, also check the Archived responses at http://www.linmodems.org -- System information CPU=x86_64, Linux version 2.6.27.24-170.2.68.fc10.x86_64 (mockbu...@x86-1.fedora.phx.redhat.com) (gcc version 4.3.2 20081105 (Red Hat 4.3.2-7) (GCC) ) #1 SMP Wed May 20 22:47:23 EDT 2009 scanModem update of: 2009_05_31 Some modem drivers can only be used in 32 bit modem on x86_64 systems, while some others are competent on x86_64 Systems. Cases are: 1) http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/bigarch/archive-seventh/msg03119.html for the snd-hda-intel audio+modem driver. Also applicable to AC97 modem controllers. In both cases, 32 bit libraries must be installed to support the slmodemd helper having a precompiled 32 bit component. 2) For USB modems using the slusb.ko driver. 32 bit libraries must be installed to support the slmodemd helper having a precompiled 32 bit component 3) The hsfmodem and hcfpcimodem drivers for Conexant chipsest modes are x86_64 competent. There are no blacklisted modem drivers in /etc/modprobe* files Potentially useful modem drivers now loaded are: snd_hda_intel Attached USB devices are: ID 0781:5151 SanDisk Corp. Cruzer Micro 256/512MB Flash Drive ID 045e:0040 Microsoft Corp. Wheel Mouse Optical ID 0a5c:2110 Broadcom Corp. Bluetooth Controller If a cellphone is not detected, see http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-878554.html If a USB modem or cellphone is attached and was not detected, please provide available information in your request to disc...@linmodems.org For candidate card in slot 00:1b.0, firmware information and bootup diagnostics are: PCI slot PCI ID SubsystemID Name -- - - -- 00:1b.08086:284b 17aa:20ac Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H Modem interrupt assignment and sharing: 17:181618 IO-APIC-fasteoi uhci_hcd:usb6, HDA Intel, firewire_ohci, iwlagn --- Bootup diagnostics for card in PCI slot 00:1b.0 PCI: :00:1b.0 reg 10 64bit mmio: [fe02, fe023fff
using a phone modem on F10 on a Thinkpad T61
So, I know this is kind of ancient, but I am behind a phone line on a IBM Thinkpad T61 and was wondering if anyone could please help me with how to set it up for Fedora 10. Best, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Live XFCE spin freezes at the Fedora f (F11)
Hi, I get the following: gpg --verify *-CHECKSUM gpg: Signature made Fri 05 Jun 2009 04:53:07 PM CDT using RSA key ID D22E77F2 gpg: Good signature from Fedora (11) fed...@fedoraproject.org gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature! gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner. Primary key fingerprint: AEE4 0C04 E345 60A7 1F04 3D7C 1DC5 C758 D22E 77F2 [1:17am] :~$ sha256sum -c *-CHECKSUM Fedora-11-x86_64-Live-XFCE.iso: OK Is this oK? My T61 still stops spinning (the CDROM) after saying OK to Bluetooth. T --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: From: Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Live XFCE spin freezes at the Fedora f (F11) To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 5:32 PM Globe Trotter wrote: Hi, Just trying out the F11 XFCE spin on a IBM Thinkpad T61: what I get is a beautiful blue screen with a f in the middle. The cd cranks and does nothing. Checksum reported ok so I am presuming it is fine. sha1sum Fedora-11-x86_64-Live-XFCE.iso /tmp/sh1.sum sha1sum -c /tmp/sh1.sum Fedora-11-x86_64-Live-XFCE.iso: OK Any suggestions? The checksum command doesn't look right to me. You are comparing the checksum you got from the image itself. I believe you need to download a CHECKSUM file for your iso and compare with that. Also you get a OK message says the method you are using is not correct as from F11 Fedora project has moved to 256 hashes. So you should be using sha256sum. Look here for details, http://fedoraproject.org/en/verify HTH -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
howto disable the screensaver in F10 XFCE spin
Would yum removing gnome-screensaver be the way? T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
ot: How to disable extended keyboard in Thinkpad T61?
Hi, I wonder if someone can tell me how to get rid of the extended keyboard on the T61. These are the keys usually to the right side of laptop keyboards which take off on their own once in a while ? :-( Any help? T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: laptop battery died while upgrading using Pre-upgrade
Hi, Don't know what to do. I guess I could reinstall. But this can not be that uncommon a problem? Surely people can lose power while upgrading using preupgrade, even tho I was careless in this case. I wonder if erasing the fc11 rpms would help. While I upgrading, I was told that I would have 1674 packages which would be updated. The laptop battery died while it was on 1047 (I think! but I am pretty sure of this number). If I do yum erase \* I get asked toremove 2752 packages. If I do yum erase \*fc11 I get asked to remove 1092 packages (incl deps). If I do yum erase \*fc10 I get asked to remove 1627 packages (incl deps). The total 1092+1627 = 2719 is less than 2752. So I was wondering if removing these fc11 and upgrading from scratch would help. Btw, going into Upgrade Leonidas at boot now causes the system to say that it can not find the root system of an existing installation. Any suggestions? Best, T --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: From: Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com Subject: Re: laptop battery died while upgrading using Pre-upgrade To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 4:54 AM On 16/06/09 23:45, Globe Trotter wrote: Hi, Does anyone know how to address this problem? My laptop battery died while upgrading using Pre-upgrade. It was not connected. So what should I do when I switch it on? Any suggestions? Many thanks, T If you have the DVD, see if it can recover the upgrade. Frank -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Announcing LXDE Fedora Remix 11
Hi Rahul et al, Any chance you will be releasing a x86_64 version soon to get more feedback? T --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: From: Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Announcing LXDE Fedora Remix 11 To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 3:12 PM On 06/17/2009 10:07 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote: If something depends on me, please let me know instead of releasing something unfinished again without even telling me. We did discuss about this before Christoph. I told you I was interested in getting a prototype out early and did a survey in this before that you were aware of and we discussed about offlist. Including updates in the release while bringing in a few more fixes breaks other things. We can always do a updated remix with the fixes rolled in at a later point. The whole idea is to get you enough feedback to justify a spin of good quality for Fedora 12. If it was not unfinished, it would have been a spin and not a remix. Release early, release often. The fact it is your work with some modifications is fully acknowledged at http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/remixes/LXDE/lxde-fedora-remix-11.ks Of course, the original contains traces of the Xfce kickstart file I did. We all build from each other and get things rolling faster by doing this. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Live XFCE spin freezes at the Fedora f (F11)
Hi, Just trying out the F11 XFCE spin on a IBM Thinkpad T61: what I get is a beautiful blue screen with a f in the middle. The cd cranks and does nothing. Checksum reported ok so I am presuming it is fine. sha1sum Fedora-11-x86_64-Live-XFCE.iso /tmp/sh1.sum sha1sum -c /tmp/sh1.sum Fedora-11-x86_64-Live-XFCE.iso: OK Any suggestions? Many thanks and best wishes, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Live XFCE spin freezes at the Fedora f (F11)
Hi, It gets stuck after Starting Bluetooth services [OK] Before that, it fails at Starting system message bus: Failed start message bus: Error reading /etc/dbus-1/system.d/gdm.conf: Input/output error [FAILED] Starting Avahi daemon.. [FAILED] Starting HAL daemon.[FAILED] Does this mean that the burnt ISO is the problem, and I did not checksum correctly? T --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: From: Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Live XFCE spin freezes at the Fedora f (F11) To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 3:50 PM On 06/18/2009 01:05 AM, Globe Trotter wrote: Hi, Just trying out the F11 XFCE spin on a IBM Thinkpad T61: what I get is a beautiful blue screen with a f in the middle. The cd cranks and does nothing. Checksum reported ok so I am presuming it is fine. Remove rhgb and quiet as boot options and see what you get on the screen. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
laptop battery died while upgrading using Pre-upgrade
Hi, Does anyone know how to address this problem? My laptop battery died while upgrading using Pre-upgrade. It was not connected. So what should I do when I switch it on? Any suggestions? Many thanks, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: laptop battery died while upgrading using Pre-upgrade
Thanks very much, all! So here Does anyone know how to address this problem? My laptop battery died while upgrading using Pre-upgrade. It was not connected. So what should I do when I switch it on? Cross your fingers, and hope that your RPM database isn't fscked. Any suggestions? Nope, you'll be flying by the seat of your pants. It's anyone's guess what state your system will be in. Chances are fairly good that you'll be able to boot, at least in run level 1, so you can get a shell prompt. Presuming that you can get a shell, the next step would be to assess the damage to your RPM database. Presuming that rpm --rebuilddb survives, the next step would be to run rpm -q -a, and see what you've got. So, I can do rpm --rebuilddb. I understand that then I am to run rpm -q -a. What next after I find what i have got? When rpm goes down in a middle of updates, the most likely result is that the rpm database will list both the old and the new version of each package, and you'll need to compile a list of them all, and manually remove the old version of each package. so, like yum remove \*fc10? Once you manage to put your rpm database in a sane state, the next best thing to do is to forget preupgrade, and run F11's installer, which will clean up and finish the install. So, you mean I should get an installer from the boot disk and continue? T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: laptop battery died while upgrading using Pre-upgrade
PS: I think I should do a yum erase \*fc11 to get rid of the partially-updated fc11 rpms? But the rpms have to somewhere on the system, no? I have lost network connectivity on the machine. Best, T --- On Tue, 6/16/09, Sam Varshavchik mr...@courier-mta.com wrote: From: Sam Varshavchik mr...@courier-mta.com Subject: Re: laptop battery died while upgrading using Pre-upgrade To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 7:16 PM Globe Trotter writes: Hi, Does anyone know how to address this problem? My laptop battery died while upgrading using Pre-upgrade. It was not connected. So what should I do when I switch it on? Cross your fingers, and hope that your RPM database isn't fscked. Any suggestions? Nope, you'll be flying by the seat of your pants. It's anyone's guess what state your system will be in. Chances are fairly good that you'll be able to boot, at least in run level 1, so you can get a shell prompt. Presuming that you can get a shell, the next step would be to assess the damage to your RPM database. Presuming that rpm --rebuilddb survives, the next step would be to run rpm -q -a, and see what you've got. When rpm goes down in a middle of updates, the most likely result is that the rpm database will list both the old and the new version of each package, and you'll need to compile a list of them all, and manually remove the old version of each package. Been there, done that. It's not fun, but the only other option is to salvage the data, reformat, and reinstall. Once you manage to put your rpm database in a sane state, the next best thing to do is to forget preupgrade, and run F11's installer, which will clean up and finish the install. -Inline Attachment Follows- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Announcing LXDE Fedora Remix 11
Hi, Thanks very much! Will there be something for x86_64? Best wishes, T --- On Mon, 6/15/09, Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: From: Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Announcing LXDE Fedora Remix 11 To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 5:15 PM On 06/16/2009 02:33 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 15/06/09 19:55, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Edit the repository settings in the base kickstart file. It is trivially changed. Rahul Will there be a torrent? Just a direct download for now. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Announcing LXDE Fedora Remix 11
--- On Mon, 6/15/09, Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: From: Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Announcing LXDE Fedora Remix 11 To: Globe Trotter itsme_...@yahoo.com Cc: encouragement and advice for using Fedora.Community assistance fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 5:26 PM On 06/16/2009 02:49 AM, Globe Trotter wrote: Hi, Thanks very much! Will there be something for x86_64? I am not planning to put out one. Should be trivial to build from the kickstart file I have provided however. Rahul Hmmmsorry to hear that. Thanks very much though for your hard work! T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Announcing LXDE Fedora Remix 11
Btw, what is the difference between a remix and a spin? T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Announcing LXDE Fedora Remix 11
--- On Mon, 6/15/09, Aldo Foot luni...@gmail.com wrote: From: Aldo Foot luni...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Announcing LXDE Fedora Remix 11 To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 7:47 PM On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Rahul Sundarammethe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am pleased to announce the community remix of Fedora 11 with LXDE as the default desktop environment. It is available for download at http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/remixes/LXDE/lxde-fedora-remix-11-i686-live.iso Well done. It works as advertised for me. thanks. ~af Lucky you! I am so jealousI guess I will have to wait for some kind soul setting it up for a x86_64... Best, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Announcing LXDE Fedora Remix 11
So, will there be a spin for LXDE? T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Announcing LXDE Fedora Remix 11
--- On Mon, 6/15/09, Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: From: Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Announcing LXDE Fedora Remix 11 To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 11:06 PM On 06/16/2009 07:23 AM, Globe Trotter wrote: So, will there be a spin for LXDE? For Fedora 12, potentially. It depends on the feedback I get and the LXDE maintainer. Rahul Thanks very much! You did very good job with the XFCE which I use currently. I wonder if we will have a x86_64 remix till then. T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Announcing LXDE Fedora Remix 11
--- On Mon, 6/15/09, Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: From: Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Announcing LXDE Fedora Remix 11 To: Globe Trotter itsme_...@yahoo.com Cc: encouragement and advice for using Fedora.Community assistance fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 11:25 PM On 06/16/2009 08:52 AM, Globe Trotter wrote: Thanks very much! You did very good job with the XFCE which I use currently. I wonder if we will have a x86_64 remix till then. Yes, Spins are generally built for both arch's or more. Great! I will look forward to an x86_64 remix then. Thanks again, Rahul! T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 with LXDE
Thanks very much, Rahul! I know that this spin is not easy because it has to pull in other stuff too (such as NetworkManager, etc) to be useful. Much like XFCE. While I would like to have such a spin, we are very grateful to you and your co-developers for all the time and effort you put in. Best wishes, T --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: From: Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: F11 with LXDE To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 3:56 AM On 06/09/2009 09:00 PM, Globe Trotter wrote: Just wondering what was decided on a LXDE spin for F11? Haven't decided yet. Might work on it if I find time. # yum install @lxde-desktop meanwhile. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
F11 with LXDE
Just wondering what was decided on a LXDE spin for F11? Best, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Are you using LXDE?
Hi, Thanks for your requesting for feedback. Sorry if I missed the bus, but I would find it very useful to have a standalone LXDE Live CD for Fedora. It could use stuff from the XFCE packages but I think it would be a good alternative to have standalone without having to install all the things in the XFCE live CD. Best, T --- On Mon, 6/1/09, Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: From: Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org Subject: Are you using LXDE? To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Cc: Kevin Fenzi ke...@tummy.com, Christoph Wickert ch...@christoph-wickert.de Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 5:56 PM Hi, Some of us in Fedora are discussing about what would be the right approach for providing a good experience to those using LXDE. How many people here are using LXDE? What do you find good about it? Would you find a Fedora LXDE Live CD useful? Would it still be useful if it was a combined Xfce + LXDE Live CD? Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: nVidia vs. ATI graphics card for fedora
--- On Tue, 4/28/09, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: From: Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at Subject: Re: nVidia vs. ATI graphics card for fedora To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 7:55 PM Bruno Wolff III wrote: I am using a FireGL 3400 at work and it is working well with F11 (right now). There have been points during this rawhide when it didn't, but it looks like but KMS and 3D will be working for the release (as they are right now). WARNING: This is only true for the V3400 (which is an rv530, equivalent to the Radeon X1600), not the V3600 the OP was considering buying (which is an rv630, equivalent to the Radeon HD2600). The V3600 does NOT have 3D support without proprietary drivers. See http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATIRadeon for details. If you use an nVidia card you will need to use the propietary drivers to get 3D acceleration. ... which makes them a bad choice for Fedora. Kevin Kofler Hi, How about the ATI Fire GL V7600 512MB,Dual Monitor DVI Capable graphics card? Same issues, or worse? I really don't care about 3-D support: don't quite know what to do with it:-( Best, Trotter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
nVidia vs. ATI graphics card for fedora
Hi, I am ordering a souped-up workstation and I was wondering which graphics card is preferable for running fedora: a 256 MB PCIe x16 nVidia NVS 290, Dual Monitor capable or a ATI Fire GL V3600 256MB, Dual Monitor DVI Capable ATI3600 What would you suggest? I do not need huge 3-d acceleration and stuff, but want it to work well. Please let me know if I should provide more information. Best wishes, Trotter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: nVidia vs. ATI graphics card for fedora
Thanks very much! I will try for an older graphics card. Do I have options other than ATI or nVidia that would not have these issues. I do not want to mess with kernel and driver re-configurations. I expect it to be a month before my machine actually shows up, btw. Best wishes, Trotter --- On Tue, 4/28/09, James Kosin jko...@beta.intcomgrp.com wrote: From: James Kosin jko...@beta.intcomgrp.com Subject: Re: nVidia vs. ATI graphics card for fedora To: itsme_...@yahoo.com, Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:43 AM Globe Trotter wrote: Hi, I am ordering a souped-up workstation and I was wondering which graphics card is preferable for running fedora: a 256 MB PCIe x16 nVidia NVS 290, Dual Monitor capable or a ATI Fire GL V3600 256MB, Dual Monitor DVI Capable ATI3600 What would you suggest? I do not need huge 3-d acceleration and stuff, but want it to work well. Please let me know if I should provide more information. Best wishes, Trotter Trotter, If you like re-configuring or re-installing drivers at ever kernel change then OK you can do either. The bad news is ATI and nVidia are not fully natively supported in XWindows in most circumstances without the proprietary drivers. There are repos that support these two and work is being done for native support... but, alas it is SLOW in coming. Tips: If you choose either of these, only do so with the intent to CAREFULLY update kernels and drivers. Don't try updating the kernel if there is no driver update available, you may regret this decision. Next, try getting an older model ATI or nVidia card, support is easier for the older models than the newer ones. Linux is also a bit slow at getting newer cards supported natively, without going to proprietary drivers. James -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: thoughts on how to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps
--- On Sun, 4/5/09, Les hlhow...@pacbell.net wrote: From: Les hlhow...@pacbell.net Subject: Re: thoughts on how to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps To: itsme_...@yahoo.com, Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:16 AM On Sat, 2009-04-04 at 18:49 -0700, Globe Trotter wrote: Hi, The following article has created quite some discussion, so I wanted to hear what all the real experts (here) thought about it. http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6229 The article raises quite a few good points. Whether they have merit, and whether remedies are in-built is what I am wondering. This is just about the lamest article on any form of programming that I have ever read. His code is not self replicating (but it might be able to load something that is), it requires misdirection and operator action, and is a Trojan. In addition, he wrote it apparently to a standing challenge that requires writing a file to /etc, which he did not do, nor did he show even high level pseudo code for that operation. I won't add further flames here, but come on, this is just flame bait, and I bit... but don't expect further discussion from me. Regards, Les H Hi, Thanks for yours! I certainly did not post the article expecting a flamewar. I just wanted some thoughts on it: I am a cent percent linux (read Fedora) user and I certainly would not want linux to get a bad name. However, my thinking is that if deficiencies creep in or if anything can be done which can only improve linux, we should at least be aware and if possible address it. I thank the other respondents who have also commented. There is however, merit in something that he does not explicitly say: the incorporation of GUI in a big way has swept away many of the warnings/error messages that used to happen when we started applications by running the binary (%firefox, eg) on a terminal. I believe that was useful information, even though the argument can be made that it was too much! Perhaps we can have these notices flying back in the bg of the desktop: I certainly would use it as an option. Best wishes, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
thoughts on how to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps
Hi, The following article has created quite some discussion, so I wanted to hear what all the real experts (here) thought about it. http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6229 The article raises quite a few good points. Whether they have merit, and whether remedies are in-built is what I am wondering. Best wishes, Trotter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: XFCE depends on GNOME, why?
--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: From: Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: XFCE depends on GNOME, why? To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 11:23 AM Javier Perez wrote: Hi I tried to install a pure XFCE system but I can't It looks like in order to install XFCE, I have to install also GNOME. It is so very counterproductive because my idea was to setup a small,efficient system specifically without GNOME or KDE's overhead. This is an old computer, with a Celeron processor Take a look at this, this is the result of sudo groupinstall XFCE: A group in Fedora includes optional dependencies and the Xfce group includes things like GDM and NetworkManager-gnome which will pull in other dependencies. This won't necessary impact anything more than disk space. If you want a pure Xfce setup, you can cherry pick individual packages and do something like # yum install Thunar Terminal xfce4-panel thunar-archive-plugin thunar-volman xfdesktop xfce-utils xfce4-mailwatch-plugin xfce4-mixer Note that this will still pull things like GTK2 simply because GNOME and Xfce use the same library. I have tried this a number of times and over time, gnome elements still get pulled in. I think part of the problem may be that when a developer (who perhaps uses Gnome) builds rpms, he often puts in some unnecessary dependency. To see this, note that yum erase gnome\* (see below for my installation) will delete things like firefox which should have nothing to do with gnome but is mistakenly dependent on these gnome\* rpms, either directly or indirectly. It is not clear what anyone can do about it. I hope Rahul is right when he says that this only takes diskspace, no other resources. On the other hand, like xubuntu, I still look forward to a Fedora (using XFCE or even better, LXDE, lets say) for low-end systems. Something that would have a small footprint, but be almost as functional as a bloated Gnome or a KDE or a Windoze machine...This is where Linux's appeal is, the ability to have features available for every level, and I would hate for that to go away. Best, Trotter # yum remove gnome\* Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, presto, refresh-packagekit Setting up Remove Process Resolving Dependencies -- Running transaction check --- Package gnome-panel.i386 0:2.24.3-1.fc10 set to be erased -- Processing Dependency: gnome-panel for package: xfce4-xfapplet-plugin --- Package gnome-themes.noarch 0:2.24.3-1.fc10 set to be erased -- Processing Dependency: gnome-themes for package: totem -- Processing Dependency: gnome-themes for package: fedora-icon-theme -- Processing Dependency: gnome-themes for package: rhythmbox --- Package gnome-python2-bonobo.i386 0:2.22.3-1.fc10 set to be erased -- Processing Dependency: gnome-python2-bonobo for package: system-config-network --- Package gnome-session-xsession.i386 0:2.24.3-1.fc10 set to be erased --- Package gnome-session.i386 0:2.24.3-1.fc10 set to be erased -- Processing Dependency: gnome-session for package: gdm --- Package gnome-python2-gconf.i386 0:2.22.3-1.fc10 set to be erased -- Processing Dependency: gnome-python2-gconf for package: mirage -- Processing Dependency: gnome-python2-gconf for package: pybliographer --- Package gnome-python2.i386 0:2.22.3-1.fc10 set to be erased -- Processing Dependency: gnome-python2 for package: setroubleshoot --- Package gnome-mime-data.noarch 0:2.18.0-3.fc10 set to be erased --- Package gnome-mount.i386 0:0.8-1.fc9 set to be erased -- Processing Dependency: gnome-mount = 0.5 for package: nautilus-cd-burner --- Package gnome-python2-libegg.i386 0:2.19.1-25.fc10 set to be erased -- Processing Dependency: gnome-python2-libegg for package: quodlibet --- Package gnome-menus.i386 0:2.24.2-1.fc10 set to be erased -- Processing Dependency: libgnome-menu.so.2 for package: control-center -- Processing Dependency: gnome-menus = 2.11.1 for package: control-center --- Package gnome-packagekit.i386 0:0.3.13-1.fc10 set to be erased --- Package gnome-vfs2-obexftp.i386 0:0.4-8.fc10 set to be erased--- Package gnome-settings-daemon.i386 0:2.24.1-7.fc10 set to be erased --- Package gnome-keyring-pam.i386 0:2.24.1-1.fc10 set to be erased --- Package gnome-python2-gnomevfs.i386 0:2.22.3-1.fc10 set to be erased --- Package gnome-python2-gnome.i386 0:2.22.3-1.fc10 set to be erased -- Processing Dependency: gnome-python2-gnome for package: policycoreutils-gui -- Processing Dependency: gnome-python2-gnome for package: system-config-printer --- Package gnome-python2-gtkhtml2.i386 0:2.19.1-25.fc10 set to be erased -- Processing Dependency: gnome-python2-gtkhtml2 for package: anaconda --- Package gnome-vfs2.i386 0:2.24.0-3.fc10 set to be erased -- Processing Dependency: libgnomevfs-2.so.0 for package: goffice04 -- Processing Dependency: libgnomevfs-2.so.0 for package: eel2 --
Re: XFCE depends on GNOME, why?
I have tried this a number of times and over time, gnome elements still get pulled in. Be specific and show the output of the command I have given. Xfce does have GNOME elements in it depending on what you consider part of GNOME. Hi, All I was trying to say was that over time, gnome elements got pulled in, despite trying things like this or similar. I started with the XFCE Fedora 8 Live CD and then stripped it of gnome-related RPMS and over time, and upgrades, I still have all those gnome\* rpms which have nothing to do with gnome. I think part of the problem may be that when a developer (who perhaps uses Gnome) builds rpms, he often puts in some unnecessary dependency. Can't happen this way. Every package is build under a clean chroot. GNOME developers don't build Xfce anyway. I am not talking about Gnome developers, rather developers of packages, who seem to include some gnome dependency sometimes. As an example, the statistical package R used to depend on gnome. Now, I have been very involved with R in the past, starting from 0.1 and I know for a fact that it predated gnome and has nothing to do with gnome. More importantly, now, it suddenly does not again depend on anything to do with gnome. It all depends on what it is told to depend on when the rpm is built, from my simplified understanding. Sometimes this is unnecessary, as in the case of R, but still included in error. I don't see this problem completely going away. To see this, note that yum erase gnome\* (see below for my installation) will delete things like firefox which should have nothing to do with gnome but is mistakenly dependent on these gnome\ Firefox has such dependencies. Upstream either include local copies or statically builds them and it is less exposed that way but it is still there. I use firefox from the days of phoenix, and even contributed to the original code. I did not have gnome in those days. I wonder if it really requires gnome, either directly or indirectly. Similarly for xfce4-xfapplet-plugin, etc. Trotter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: XFCE depends on GNOME, why?
Hi, All I was trying to say was that over time, gnome elements got pulled in, despite trying things like this or similar. I started with the XFCE Fedora 8 Live CD and then stripped it of gnome-related RPMS and over time, and upgrades, I still have all those gnome\* rpms which have nothing to do Sorry. Can't help unless there is a specific complaint. If a specific package has unnecessary dependencies or things that can be split up, file bug reports. So, what is the bug report filed against? The package firefox or the package gnome or whatever. I thought I provided a very specific list of dependencies as an example. I am not talking about Gnome developers, rather developers of packages, who seem to include some gnome dependency sometimes. This can sometimes be split up. Again, you have to be specific to have a meaningful conversation. Not sure what we are having a conversation about, with regard to this point. I have said what I feel *may* be happening. Perhaps I am wrong, but this is not important for the thread. I use firefox from the days of phoenix, and even contributed to the original code. I did not have gnome in those days. I wonder if it really requires gnome, either directly or indirectly. Similarly for xfce4-xfapplet-plugin, etc. Yes. Read the description of the plugin. It is a wrapper around GNOME applets and yes, package dependencies change over time. So what predates which project doesn't make much of a difference to the current state of dependencies. Of course, but sometimes, dependencies are included in error, as in the R example. Things worked exactly the same when you downloaded and installed source code without gnome, but the same F-rpm brought in gnome dependencies. Which all went away at a later date, perhaps to come back later... I was just explaining why a clean XFCE install may not be possible to keep, by my experience. T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Omega 10 release
--- On Wed, 2/4/09, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: From: Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at Subject: Re: Omega 10 release To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 10:56 AM Globe Trotter wrote: I noticed that there was a bunch of iso's. How do we decide which is for a 64-bit system or a 32-bit system? They're probably all 32-bit. They're also all GNOME. :-( Kevin Kofler Thanks! Unfortunately, useless for methanks for saving me the cost of a burnt CD:-) Best, Trotter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Omega 10 release
--- On Mon, 2/2/09, Jake Peavy djstu...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jake Peavy djstu...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Omega 10 release To: itsme_...@yahoo.com, Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 9:57 PM On 2/2/09, Globe Trotter itsme_...@yahoo.com wrote: Is there an Omega 10 release out? A google search only provides me with the beta iso. ftp://ftp.infradead.org/pub/spins/ ? -- -jp I noticed that there was a bunch of iso's. How do we decide which is for a 64-bit system or a 32-bit system? Many thanks, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Omega 10 release
Is there an Omega 10 release out? A google search only provides me with the beta iso. Many thanks, Trotter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: how to get username use another home directory
I'm curious, why not just have /home be on a different partition? That seems more elegant to me (and would work better with SELinux as well, though you might not care if you disable SELinux or run in permissive mode :). Thanks! I wonder that myself, sometimes, but it is for historical reasons. In the days that there was no rpms, I used to keep locally installed programs there and did not want it wiped out with every new tinkering. I still use some of them, but all options are set to use /usr/local/trotter, etc. Previously, I would add skip the create user step and log in as root and then create user with directory using system-config-users. However, this is apparently no longer allowed, and I am required to create an user. How do I get this user to have its home in /usr/local/trotter? I guess one way out is to create a fake user and then go in, use system-config-users and then delete the fake user. Is there a more elegant way? This is the sort of task I'd do from a text console (but then, I say that sort of thing a lot ;). If you create the user trotter at first boot, use CTRL-ALT-F2 at the login screen to get to a console. Then login as root and use something like: # usermod -m --home /usr/local/trotter trotter The -m option moves the current home dir to the new dir. Obviously, you don't want trotter logged in when you do this. Thanks! However, does it not wipe out the /usr/local/trotter directory. I just want to get rid of the /home/trotter and make everything point to /usr/local/trotter directory (which exists from an earlier installation). I haven't actually tried this, but am just wondering. Isn't it is a better option to allow for a home directory to be chosen at installation? I have never figured out why Fedora does not allow this choice (with a default). Trotter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
LaTeX wrapfigure.sty in F10
Hi, I was wondering which RPM, if any, would have this LaTeX style file? Can someone please suggest? Many thanks, Trotter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: LaTeX wrapfigure.sty in F10 [SOLVED]
Please ignore my previous message: I should have looked for wrapfig.sty: it is very much there Cold Monday blues! Trotter --- On Mon, 12/22/08, Globe Trotter itsme_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Globe Trotter itsme_...@yahoo.com Subject: LaTeX wrapfigure.sty in F10 To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 3:23 PM Hi, I was wondering which RPM, if any, would have this LaTeX style file? Can someone please suggest? Many thanks, Trotter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Experience with x86_64-only (no i386) in F10?
Hi, I have this experience: I installed using a live F8 xfce spin cd and yum erased all 386/586/686 RPMs as you suggest. Thus, all my rpms are either x86_64 or noarch. Btw, I may be wrong on this, but I thought the F10 xfce spin cd (x86_64) did not have any ?86 RPMS. The only functionality I am missing is the flash: I was unaware of the 64-bt alpha adobe plugin. I have never quite understood why gnash does not work for me (even where it works, I don't get sound), but I haven't bothered a whole lot with it. So, go ahead and try it out and see how things go for you. HTH, T --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Steve Snyder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Steve Snyder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Experience with x86_64-only (no i386) in F10? To: Fedora Mailing List fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 4:07 PM Hello. I'm about to wipe my x86_64 F8 installation in preparation for installing x86_64 F10. Since I'll be doing a clean install, I'm feeling adventurous. My plan is to go 64-bit only - no 32-bit binaries. Mind if I ask a few questions? 1. In prior versions of Fedora there was no provision for doing a 64-bit-only installation. You had to do a standard x86_64 install, then erase all the i386/i686 RPMs. Is that still the case, or can I opt at installation to only install x86_64 and noarch packages? 2. What functionality will I be giving up to go 64-bit-only? In times past the immediate answers to this was Flash Player and the Sun JVM browser plug-in. Between the alpha 64-bit Flash Player (which I've been successfully using for 3 weeks) and IcedTea, these drawbacks seem to have been resolved. Anything else? Thanks. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: esc and rhgb
--- On Sun, 12/7/08, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: esc and rhgb To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 3:59 AM On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 13:20 -0800, Globe Trotter wrote: Similar with some of the graphical messages that come out of PackageKit: this morning, it said resolving dependencies and got stuck with an error Could not resolve dependencies. I prefer yum anyday. PackageKit uses yum to do the depsolve and run the transaction. If it doesn't work in PackageKit, it won't work in yum, either. But my point was that the message is not terribly informative: out of 62 packages, which one is it whose dependencies could not be resolved? T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 10 freezes after a while
--- On Sat, 12/6/08, Konstantin Svist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Konstantin Svist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fedora 10 freezes after a while To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 1:29 AM I tried your advice on my system, but radeonhd driver doesn't seem to support my card (X800PRO) I guess I'll just reach for fglrx :| bruce wrote: hi globe... you might want to try and download/install the radeonhd driver, and replace the radeon in the conf file. i have f9, and had issues with f9 freezing on my toshiba laptop. downloading the radeonhd driver, and replacing the raden driver in the xorg file seems to have solved the issue. you can download the radeonhd driver using yum (not sure of the actual filename but check google..) in the xorg.conf file, replace Driver radeon with Driver radeonhd see what happens!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Globe Trotter Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 10:00 AM To: Community assistance, encouragement,and advice for using Fedora. Subject: RE: Fedora 10 freezes after a while --- On Thu, 12/4/08, bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Fedora 10 freezes after a while To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora.' fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:51 PM hey globe.. what's the driver that you're using in the xorg.conf? Here is the xorg.conf: # Xorg configuration created by system-config-display Section ServerLayout Identifier single head configuration Screen 0 Screen0 0 0 InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Keyboard0 Driver kbd Option XkbModel pc105 Option XkbLayout us EndSection Section Device Identifier Videocard0 Driver radeon EndSection Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Videocard0 DefaultDepth 24 SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 EndSubSection EndSection Many thanks, T I have to say that this has always frozen for me when I have had xlock (when I have switched it on) or xscreensaver on (i.e. the screensaver has kicked in). Trotter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
wicd RPM on F10?
Btw, is there a F10 RPM for wicd? Thanks, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
gnome dependencies
I am running the XFCE spin of Fedora, and have watched with horror as gnome has taken over my system. So, I decided to try a yum erase gnome\* and got the following: gnome-desktop x86_64 2.24.1-5.fc10 installed 2.7 M gnome-icon-theme noarch 2.24.0-1.fc10 installed 11 M gnome-keyring x86_64 2.24.1-1.fc10 installed 2.3 M gnome-keyring-pam x86_64 2.24.1-1.fc10 installed 33 k gnome-menus x86_64 2.24.1-1.fc10 installed 679 k gnome-mime-data noarch 2.18.0-3.fc10 installed 3.5 M gnome-mount x86_64 0.8-1.fc9 installed 580 k gnome-mplayer x86_64 0.9.2-1.fc10 installed 702 k gnome-packagekit x86_64 0.3.9-8.fc10 installed 5.4 M gnome-panel x86_64 2.24.1-3.fc10 installed 9.3 M gnome-panel-libs x86_64 2.24.1-3.fc10 installed 61 k gnome-python2 x86_64 2.22.3-1.fc10 installed 95 k gnome-python2-bonobo x86_64 2.22.3-1.fc10 installed 361 k gnome-python2-canvas x86_64 2.22.3-1.fc10 installed 72 k gnome-python2-extras x86_64 2.19.1-24.fc10installed 260 k gnome-python2-gconf x86_64 2.22.3-1.fc10 installed 134 k gnome-python2-gnome x86_64 2.22.3-1.fc10 installed 350 k gnome-python2-gnomevfsx86_64 2.22.3-1.fc10 installed 328 k gnome-python2-gtkhtml2x86_64 2.19.1-24.fc10installed 24 k gnome-python2-libegg x86_64 2.19.1-24.fc10installed 128 k gnome-session x86_64 2.24.1-3.fc10 installed 1.9 M gnome-session-xsessionx86_64 2.24.1-3.fc10 installed 4.6 k gnome-settings-daemon x86_64 2.24.0-14.fc10installed 1.7 M gnome-themes noarch 2.24.1-1.fc10 installed 3.9 M gnome-vfs2x86_64 2.24.0-3.fc10 installed 3.2 M gnome-vfs2-obexftpx86_64 0.4-8.fc10installed 133 k Removing for dependencies: NetworkManager-gnome x86_64 1:0.7.0-0.12.svn4326.fc10 installed 889 k NetworkManager-openvpnx86_64 1:0.7.0-16.svn4326.fc10 installed 450 k NetworkManager-vpnc x86_64 1:0.7.0-0.11.svn4326.fc10 installed 327 k PolicyKit-gnome x86_64 0.9-3.fc10installed 413 k abiword x86_64 1:2.6.4-9.fc10installed 17 k anaconda x86_64 11.4.1.62-1 installed 17 M bluez x86_64 4.17-2.fc10 installed 1.0 M bluez-gnome x86_64 1.8-8.fc10installed 656 k brasero x86_64 0.8.2-1.fc10 installed 6.7 M control-centerx86_64 1:2.24.0.1-9.fc10 installed 7.2 M drivelx86_64 2.1.1-0.6.20071130svn.fc10installed 1.3 M eel2 x86_64 2.24.1-3.fc10 installed 726 k evolution-data-server x86_64 2.24.2-1.fc10 installed 12 M fedora-gnome-themenoarch 8.0.0-7.fc10 installed 18 k fedora-icon-theme noarch 1.0.0-4.fc10 installed 114 k fedorainfinity-gdm-theme noarch 8.0.1-1.fc8 installed 1.1 M firefox x86_64 3.0.4-1.fc10 installed 14 M firstboot x86_64 1.102-1.fc10 installed 652 k gdm x86_64 1:2.24.0-12.fc10 installed 3.2 M gecko-mediaplayer x86_64 0.9.2-1.fc10 installed 470 k gnumeric x86_64 1:1.8.2-4.fc10installed 32 M goffice x86_64 0.6.5-1.fc10 installed 4.0 M goffice04 x86_64 0.4.3-3.fc9 installed 3.6 M gtkhtml2 x86_64 2.11.1-4.fc10 installed 528 k gvfs x86_64 1.0.2-3.fc10 installed 3.3 M gvfs-fuse x86_64 1.0.2-3.fc10 installed 29 k gvfs-obexftp x86_64 1.0.2-3.fc10 installed 132 k gxine x86_64 0.5.903-2.fc10installed 1.1 M gxine-mozplugin x86_64 0.5.903-2.fc10installed 32 k im-chooserx86_64 1.2.5-1.fc10 installed 238 k imsettings-xfce x86_64 0.105.1-2.fc10installed 90 k java-1.6.0-openjdk-plugin x86_64 1:1.6.0.0-6.b12.fc10 installed 206 k krb5-auth-dialog x86_64 0.7-7.fc9 installed 56 k libabiwordx86_64 1:2.6.4-9.fc10
Re: F10 freezes when running glxgears
--- On Sat, 12/6/08, Linuxguy123 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Linuxguy123 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: F10 freezes when running glxgears To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 9:07 AM On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 02:11 -0800, Konstantin Svist wrote: I just built a new system and installed F10-KDE from the Live CD. The CD refused to boot into full graphical/install mode so I used text install. It looks like the system now freezes when there are certain graphical applications being run. glxgears always makes the system freeze. I'm sure there are others, but this one is easiest to test. Interesting tidbits: * glxgears runs smoothly for a second or two before the freeze. * there's a bit of very faint high-pitched whining (apparently from my video card) while glxgears is running. Not sure if that's normal. Never had problems with this card before, though. * SysRq/REISUB doesn't work. I've tested it without the freeze and it works like a charm, then. Hardware: Q6600 Asus P5N7A-VM ATI X800 GT (X800PRO) There's no xorg.conf, X automatically recognizes everything. According to Xorg.0.log, ati/radeon driver is used. I've tried creating xorg.conf with system-config-display (no effect), and tried setting it to radeonhd (my videocard is not supported by it). Can't try fglrx, as it's not available yet... What is the next step, if there is one? run glxinfo and report the result to the group I have the same problem: here is my glxinfo name of display: :0.0 display: :0 screen: 0 direct rendering: Yes server glx vendor string: SGI server glx version string: 1.2 server glx extensions: GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_MESA_copy_sub_buffer, GLX_OML_swap_method, GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_visual_select_group client glx vendor string: SGI client glx version string: 1.4 client glx extensions: GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_MESA_allocate_memory, GLX_MESA_copy_sub_buffer, GLX_MESA_swap_control, GLX_MESA_swap_frame_usage, GLX_OML_swap_method, GLX_OML_sync_control, GLX_SGI_make_current_read, GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGIX_visual_select_group, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap GLX version: 1.2 GLX extensions: GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_MESA_swap_control, GLX_MESA_swap_frame_usage, GLX_OML_swap_method, GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_visual_select_group OpenGL vendor string: DRI R300 Project OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R300 20060815 AGP 8x x86/MMX/SSE2 TCL OpenGL version string: 1.3 Mesa 7.3-devel OpenGL extensions: GL_ARB_depth_texture, GL_ARB_fragment_program, GL_ARB_imaging, GL_ARB_multisample, GL_ARB_multitexture, GL_ARB_point_parameters, GL_ARB_shadow, GL_ARB_shadow_ambient, GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp, GL_ARB_texture_compression, GL_ARB_texture_cube_map, GL_ARB_texture_env_add, GL_ARB_texture_env_combine, GL_ARB_texture_env_crossbar, GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3, GL_MESAX_texture_float, GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_ARB_texture_rectangle, GL_ARB_transpose_matrix, GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object, GL_ARB_vertex_program, GL_ARB_window_pos, GL_EXT_abgr, GL_EXT_bgra, GL_EXT_blend_color, GL_EXT_blend_equation_separate, GL_EXT_blend_func_separate, GL_EXT_blend_logic_op, GL_EXT_blend_minmax, GL_EXT_blend_subtract, GL_EXT_clip_volume_hint, GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array, GL_EXT_convolution, GL_EXT_copy_texture, GL_EXT_draw_range_elements, GL_EXT_gpu_program_parameters, GL_EXT_histogram, GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays, GL_EXT_packed_pixels, GL_EXT_point_parameters, GL_EXT_polygon_offset, GL_EXT_rescale_normal, GL_EXT_secondary_color, GL_EXT_separate_specular_color, GL_EXT_shadow_funcs, GL_EXT_stencil_two_side, GL_EXT_stencil_wrap, GL_EXT_subtexture, GL_EXT_texture, GL_EXT_texture3D, GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp, GL_EXT_texture_env_add, GL_EXT_texture_env_combine, GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3, GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic, GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias, GL_EXT_texture_mirror_clamp, GL_EXT_texture_object, GL_EXT_texture_rectangle, GL_EXT_vertex_array, GL_APPLE_packed_pixels, GL_ATI_blend_equation_separate, GL_ATI_texture_env_combine3, GL_ATI_texture_mirror_once, GL_IBM_rasterpos_clip, GL_IBM_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_INGR_blend_func_separate, GL_MESA_pack_invert, GL_MESA_ycbcr_texture, GL_MESA_window_pos,
Re: esc and rhgb
--- On Fri, 12/5/08, Aaron Konstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Aaron Konstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: esc and rhgb To: fedora-list fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 10:40 AM Several people have suggested that you can switch to the details when rhgb is running by typing esc. That does not work for me. I can hit the details tab but not esc. Where have I gone wrong? -- I may misunderstand you, but I usually use Alt-D. If that level is not enough (which is true), I switch off the quiet in the boot line earlier. Does this help? T === All right, you degenerates! I want this place evacuated in 20 seconds! === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: Fedora 10 freezes after a while
--- On Thu, 12/4/08, bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Fedora 10 freezes after a while To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora.' fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:51 PM hey globe.. what's the driver that you're using in the xorg.conf? Here is the xorg.conf: # Xorg configuration created by system-config-display Section ServerLayout Identifier single head configuration Screen 0 Screen0 0 0 InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Keyboard0 Driver kbd Option XkbModel pc105 Option XkbLayout us EndSection Section Device Identifier Videocard0 Driver radeon EndSection Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Videocard0 DefaultDepth 24 SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 EndSubSection EndSection Many thanks, T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: Fedora 10 freezes after a while
--- On Fri, 12/5/08, bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Fedora 10 freezes after a while To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora.' fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 1:19 PM hi globe... you might want to try and download/install the radeonhd driver, and replace the radeon in the conf file. i have f9, and had issues with f9 freezing on my toshiba laptop. downloading the radeonhd driver, and replacing the raden driver in the xorg file seems to have solved the issue. you can download the radeonhd driver using yum (not sure of the actual filename but check google..) in the xorg.conf file, replace Driver radeon with Driver radeonhd see what happens!! Many thanks! But I do not have a AMD: my processor is Intel Xeon. T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: esc and rhgb
--- On Fri, 12/5/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: esc and rhgb To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 12:02 PM On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:40:05 -0600 Aaron Konstam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several people have suggested that you can switch to the details when rhgb is running by typing esc. That does not work for me. I can hit the details tab but not esc. Where have I gone wrong? -- That is what is in the release notes and it didn't work for me either. One of the first things that I always do with a new system is to eliminate the hidden and rghb from grub.conf. I really think that this should be the default. Hiding the output on a new install is really counter-intuitive - for me. I have never quite understood this obsession with a windows-like boot process. I second this: in fact, I think all the information flying past does have the potential to inform and teach, even the person not initially interested. Sometimes I think that the worst enemy of Linux is trying to make it too much like Windoze. Agreed, again! What I hate about Windoze is the few times I have used it has meant: The program has performed an illegal operation and will shut down. What is the use of this? Similar with some of the graphical messages that come out of PackageKit: this morning, it said resolving dependencies and got stuck with an error Could not resolve dependencies. I prefer yum anyday. My views. T -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Fedora Lite Spin?
There has been some talk on a Fedora Lite: is there a spin planned or available? Many thanks, Trotter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
