Re: TV over the internet
2010/1/6 Timothy Murphy : > Bryn M. Reeves wrote: > I did wonder if I could use my son, in Cardiff, > to re-send the stream over to me in Dublin (or Italy)? > Could I do that without using up all his bandwidth? > It would be nice if there was a way to start with a UK IP address, > and then change to a foreign one? You want something like this http://www.vpnuk.net/ Google for 'UK VPN service'. Mark -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Mount of .dmg (mac image) files on Linux Fedora fails
Hello, Thanks ! tried using this tool, and running this: ./dmgx.sh Firefox\ 3.5.6.dmg firefox iso got ... No errors reported. and firefox iso was created but file firefox iso gives firefox.iso: data and mount -t iso9660 -o loop firefox.iso /mnt/test/ gives: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so Rgs, Mark On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Michael Welle wrote: > Hi, > > Mark Ryden writes: > >> Hello, >> >> Why can't I mount a dmg (macintosh image) file on Fedora 11 ? >> >> I tried mounting several .dmg mac files did not have any success with it. > maybe [1] is the way to go? I stumbled upon it while searching for a way > to 'unzip' firmware updates for this other platform. But I haven't > tested it yet. Feedback is welcome ;). > > > Regards > hmw > > [1] http://hem.bredband.net/catacombae/dmgx.html > > > -- > biff4emacsen - A biff-like tool for (X)Emacs > http://www.c0t0d0s0.de/biff4emacsen/biff4emacsen.html > Flood - Your friendly network packet generator > http://www.c0t0d0s0.de/flood/flood.html > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Mount of .dmg (mac image) files on Linux Fedora fails
Hello, Why can't I mount a dmg (macintosh image) file on Fedora 11 ? I tried mounting several .dmg mac files did not have any success with it. Here is an example: I downloaded "Firefox\ 3.5.6.dmg" from http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/products/download.html?product=firefox-3.5.6&os=osx&lang=en-US running: file Firefox\ 3.5.6.dmg gives: Firefox 3.5.6.dmg: bzip2 compressed data, block size = 900k Running mount -t hfs -o loop Firefox\ 3.5.6.dmg /mnt/mac/ and: mount -t hfsplus -o loop Firefox\ 3.5.6.dmg /mnt/mac/ gives (in both cases) mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so end in the kernel sys log I see: can't find a HFS filesystem on dev loop0. unable to find HFS+ superblock Any ideas? Rgs, Mark -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
deleted the /root/.ssh folder - what should I do for for recovering the keys
Hello, I have a machine on which I deleted the /root/.ssh folder; now , I generated in the past a key file , with ssh-keygen -t rsa I pasted the contents of the public key file into some servers (authorized_keys2), so I can ssh to them without being prompted for a password. Now, I cannot ssh to these mecahines. Is there anyway I can recover the old keys I had ? Running "ssh-keygen -t rsa" does not solve the problem unless I **again** paste the nre gernerated key into the new machines. Rgs, Mark -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Dell 2209WA e-IPS monitor and Fedora
Hello, I am thinking of buying a Dell 2209WA 22'' display and to use it under Fedora. I need this monitor especially for long hours of writing code and reading documents. I do not intend to use it at all for movies/games. This monitor is a bit more expensive than the average; however, it has an e-IPS panel, which is (so I was told) a bit better than the common panels (TN). I would appreciate if anybody who had tried this monitor with Fedora can give any feedback to this post. Especially I am interested in whether he could set the resolution to 1680 x 1050 (which is the maximum resolution for this monitor) and which model of display adapter did he use, and was he satisfied with this monitor. (Especially was the text sharp enough, and would he recommend this display for long hours of text-based usage like programming/reading docs). Rgs, Mark PS (Also I would like to know the output of running : xrandr). -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
physical RAM restriction in Fedora 12 (32 bit and 64 bit)
Hello, AFAIK, in windows 7, **32 bit**, there is a limit of 3GB physical RAM which can be recognized by the operating system. This means that if you have 4GB of RAM, only 3 will be used. My question is: 1) In Fedora 12 32 bit default installation , does the kernel knows more than 3 GB of RAM ? what is the limit ? 2) In Fedora 12 64 bit default installation , does the kernel knows more than 3 GB of RAM ? what is the limit ? Rgs, Mark -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Writn a slash in Evolution
At 14:00 on 10 Dec 2009, Marcel Rieux wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Joerg Bergmann
> wrote:
>
> > I have 2.26.3. Under the Format menu, I may select between two
> > radio-buttons: HTML and simple text ("Einfacher Text" in german).
> > No shortcut at all.
>
> Very strange. Maybe there's a way to select radio-buttons that would
> disable shortcuts? I don't have to check now but that would be very
> strange.
Evolution obeys the GTK standard method of assigning shortcuts to menu
items. You have probably assigned / to this menu item inadvertently at
some point.
To remove it, just press Backspace whilst the menu item is highlighted.
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Re: Across Lite for F12 32-bit, an i686 vs i386 issue?
At 10:07 on 01 Dec 2009, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I don't have access to any interesting newspaper crosswords on paper, > as I live outside the distribution area of the English-language > press. In any case, some NYT clues are impossible without > encyclopedic knowledge of American sports teams and personalities, so > Google is a requirement "in extremis". FYI, the Guardian crosswords are free online in a Java applet. http://www.guardian.co.uk/crossword -- Mark Knoop -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Creating a VPN with network connection wizard
Hello, Thanks a lot for your answer! I wonder : is there a way to achieve this without starting the Network Mnager ?! Rgs, Mark On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Brian Mury wrote: > On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 21:46 +0200, Mark Ryden wrote: >> I try to connect to a VPN using the network connection wizard of Feodra 12. >> (System->Preference->Network Connections). >> I select the "VPN" tab. >> I press "Add" and choose PPTP. >> I enter what is needed and created a VPN connection named VPN1. >> I press apply when finished and everything is OK. The dialog is closed. >> Now how can I activate this VPN connection ? > > Are you using NetworkManager, and if so do you have the NetworkManager > applet on your toolbar? If so, click on the applet, and under the "VPN > Connections" menu, click on VPN1. > > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Creating a VPN with network connection wizard
Hello, I try to connect to a VPN using the network connection wizard of Feodra 12. (System->Preference->Network Connections). I select the "VPN" tab. I press "Add" and choose PPTP. I enter what is needed and created a VPN connection named VPN1. I press apply when finished and everything is OK. The dialog is closed. Now how can I activate this VPN connection ? Rgs, Mark -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F12 installs report here.
Perfect. I upgraded my workstation at the office. It's an HP xw8600. Single Xeon CPU, 10 GB of RAM, mirrored Seagate 500GB Barracuda SATA OS drives, Hitachi & Seagate data drives. I had x86_64 Fedora 11, fully updated, installed. I popped in the x86_64 DVD and let it do it's thing. It felt "weird" after the reboot. So, I did a "yum update" which installed 400+ MB of fixit. Now, everything's great! Yeah for enlightenment! That went so well that now it's time to do my other machines: - HP Z800 - A few systems with Asus P6T's and Intel i7 920's MJ On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:01, Linuxguy123 wrote: > Subject says it all. Tell us about your experience. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: VPN server in Fedora
Greg, Thanks a lot for this info ! I was afraid that this might be the case. I would appreciate if anybody who knows more about it or can provide a link to some info why pptpd may be unsafe as VPN server will share his knowledge with us. Rgs, Mark On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Greg Woods wrote: > I can't say why nobody has packaged pptpd for Fedora, but I do know that > the PPTP protocol was broken years ago. It is riddled with security > design flaws that make it pretty much useless (in the opinion of our > security staff, anyway). If you have assets worth protecting with a VPN, > you probably don't want to be using PPTP anyway. > > --Greg > > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: VPN server in Fedora
Itamar,
I can do it by myself. But the question is why no one packaged it for
fedora? because usually, when a project is popular, it is
being packaged. This led me to thinking that there are other, better
solutions for vpn server on Linux. Pptpd uses the ppp user space
daemon, and I simply do not know if this solution is better or
worse than the alternatives.
Regards,
Mark
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Itamar Reis Peixoto
wrote:
> there are no poptop for fedora because no one packaged it for fedora.
>
> you can do it if you want.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Mark Ryden wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> - I found out that there are two common ways to run a VPN server
>> on Linux. One way is using ipsec, with projects like openswan/strongswan.
>> The other is running pptpd server; this implements a Virtual Private
>> Networking Server (VPN) that iscompatible with Microsoft VPN clients,
>> and allows windows users to
>> connect to an internal firewalled network using their dialup.
>> See http://poptop.sourceforge.net/.
>>
>> When looking for rpms for Fedora 11 or Fedora 10, I found out that
>> there is no pptpd
>> ("yum install pptpd" results in
>> No package pptpd available.
>> Nothing to do).
>> There is however, openswan rpm for fedora 10 or 11.
>>
>> My question is: what is the reason that there is no pptp rpm packages for
>> newer Fedora distros ? is some other solution replaces it ? is there a better
>> Linux VPN server solution which enables Microsoft VPN clients to connect to
>> a Linux VPN server ?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mark
>>
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Re: VPN server in Fedora
Itamar,
First, thanks for your (really rapid) response.
I know about openvpn project.
The question is why there are no rpms of pptpd in recent
fedora releases (like 9,10,11)? is it because that the openvpn
solution is better than the pptpd solution?
Regards,
Mark
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Itamar Reis Peixoto
wrote:
> you can use openvpn
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Mark Ryden wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> - I found out that there are two common ways to run a VPN server
>> on Linux. One way is using ipsec, with projects like openswan/strongswan.
>> The other is running pptpd server; this implements a Virtual Private
>> Networking Server (VPN) that iscompatible with Microsoft VPN clients,
>> and allows windows users to
>> connect to an internal firewalled network using their dialup.
>> See http://poptop.sourceforge.net/.
>>
>> When looking for rpms for Fedora 11 or Fedora 10, I found out that
>> there is no pptpd
>> ("yum install pptpd" results in
>> No package pptpd available.
>> Nothing to do).
>> There is however, openswan rpm for fedora 10 or 11.
>>
>> My question is: what is the reason that there is no pptp rpm packages for
>> newer Fedora distros ? is some other solution replaces it ? is there a better
>> Linux VPN server solution which enables Microsoft VPN clients to connect to
>> a Linux VPN server ?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mark
>>
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VPN server in Fedora
Hello,
- I found out that there are two common ways to run a VPN server
on Linux. One way is using ipsec, with projects like openswan/strongswan.
The other is running pptpd server; this implements a Virtual Private
Networking Server (VPN) that iscompatible with Microsoft VPN clients,
and allows windows users to
connect to an internal firewalled network using their dialup.
See http://poptop.sourceforge.net/.
When looking for rpms for Fedora 11 or Fedora 10, I found out that
there is no pptpd
("yum install pptpd" results in
No package pptpd available.
Nothing to do).
There is however, openswan rpm for fedora 10 or 11.
My question is: what is the reason that there is no pptp rpm packages for
newer Fedora distros ? is some other solution replaces it ? is there a better
Linux VPN server solution which enables Microsoft VPN clients to connect to
a Linux VPN server ?
Regards,
Mark
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Re: man 3 switch
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 5:46 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:> > There is even no "man 3 switch" on RHEL4. When was the last time you > For what it's worth ... there is no "man 3 switch" on NetBSD. I can check AIX on Monday and report on that, too. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Mobile Braodband (GSM) on fc9 i686 laptop
On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 15:11 -0800, Rick Stevens wrote: > Mark C. Allman wrote: > > > > > > Consulting IT Project/Program Management: on-time, on-budget > > > > > > .. Original Message ... > > On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:07:14 -0600 "Gregory P. Ennis" > > wrote: > >> Gregory P. Ennis wrote: > >>> Dear List, > >>> > >>> I just received a gift from my wife of a Verizon mobile broadband (GSM) > >>> usb modem. Unfortunately all of the documentation is for the inferior > >>> MS platform. > >>> > >>> I have plugged it into my usb port and nm-tool recognizes it as : > >>> > >>> Device ttyACM0- > >>> Type : Mobile Broadband (GSM) > >>> Driver : cdc_acm > >>> State : disconnected > >>> Default: no > >>> > >>> I have tried calling Verizon about connecting to Linux, but have only > >>> waded through the first layer of responders that were not aware of > >>> Linux. > >>> > >>> Have any of you used these with Fedora? Can you point me in the > >>> direction of a "how to" or is there an easy switch to toggle. > >> I tether my Verizon Blackberry Storm (hereafter called "BB") to my > >> laptop (F11) on occasion to use it as a wireless modem. You need to > >> jump through some hoops (e.g. barry and XmBlackberry) to get it to set > >> up the modem for use, but it works. What follows is what I do on the > >> BB. > >> > >> You first have to dial "#777" (at least on the BB). Once that's done, > >> the trick is knowing what your username and password are. Your user > >> name is your cell number (area code and number without the leading "1", > >> "@vzw3g.com" (probably...at least mine is). The password is your phone > >> number (again, without the leading "1". Example: > >> > >>Username: 8885551...@vzw3g.com > >>Password: 8885551234 > >> > >> So, my /etc/chatscripts/blackberry file looks like: > >> > >> ABORT BUSY ABORT 'NO CARRIER' ABORT VOICE ABORT 'NO DIALTONE' ABORT 'NO > >> DIAL TONE' ABORT 'NO ANSWER' ABORT DELAYED ABORT ERROR > >> SAY "Initializing\n" > >> '' ATZ > >> OK-AT-OK ATDT#777 > >> CONNECT \d\c > >> > >> That script is called via the "/etc/ppp/peers/blackberry" script: > >> > >> debug debug debug > >> nodetach > >> # NOTE: This may change depending on which device XmBlackberry > >> # sets up as the serial port for the modem... > >> /dev/pts/7 > >> 115200 > >> connect "/usr/sbin/chat -f /etc/chatscripts/blackberry" > >> nomultilink > >> defaultroute > >> noipdefault > >> ipcp-restart 7 > >> ipcp-accept-local > >> ipcp-accept-remote > >> # added this, so that it doesn't disconnect after few mn of innactivity > >> lcp-echo-interval 0 > >> lcp-echo-failure 999 > >> modem > >> noauth > >> nocrtscts > >> noipdefault > >> novj # refused anyway, no point in trying every time > >> usepeerdns > >> user 8885551...@vzw3g.com > >> password 8885551234 > >> > >> I hope that helps. And yes, it was a right bitch to figure all that > >> out. Google can be your friend, but you have to interpolate some of > >> the data. > >> -- > >> - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ri...@nerd.com - > >> > >> > >> Rick, > >> > >> Thanks much for the information. I'll let you know how it goes > >> > >> Greg > >> > >> -- > >> fedora-list mailing list > >> fedora-list@redhat.com > >> To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > >> Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > > > > I've used a Verizon USB broadband modem. I'll post my config file shortly > > (getting on a train as I type this). > > BTW, I just tried again and it appears that NetworkManager does grok my > BB. Plugged it in, right-clicked on the NM icon and went to Edit > Connections and went to the Mobile Broadband
Re: Mobile Braodband (GSM) on fc9 i686 laptop
Consulting IT Project/Program Management: on-time, on-budget .. Original Message ... On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:07:14 -0600 "Gregory P. Ennis" wrote: > >Gregory P. Ennis wrote: >> Dear List, >> >> I just received a gift from my wife of a Verizon mobile broadband (GSM) >> usb modem. Unfortunately all of the documentation is for the inferior >> MS platform. >> >> I have plugged it into my usb port and nm-tool recognizes it as : >> >> Device ttyACM0- >> Type : Mobile Broadband (GSM) >> Driver : cdc_acm >> State : disconnected >> Default: no >> >> I have tried calling Verizon about connecting to Linux, but have only >> waded through the first layer of responders that were not aware of >> Linux. >> >> Have any of you used these with Fedora? Can you point me in the >> direction of a "how to" or is there an easy switch to toggle. > >I tether my Verizon Blackberry Storm (hereafter called "BB") to my >laptop (F11) on occasion to use it as a wireless modem. You need to >jump through some hoops (e.g. barry and XmBlackberry) to get it to set >up the modem for use, but it works. What follows is what I do on the >BB. > >You first have to dial "#777" (at least on the BB). Once that's done, >the trick is knowing what your username and password are. Your user >name is your cell number (area code and number without the leading "1", >"@vzw3g.com" (probably...at least mine is). The password is your phone >number (again, without the leading "1". Example: > > Username: 8885551...@vzw3g.com > Password: 8885551234 > >So, my /etc/chatscripts/blackberry file looks like: > >ABORT BUSY ABORT 'NO CARRIER' ABORT VOICE ABORT 'NO DIALTONE' ABORT 'NO >DIAL TONE' ABORT 'NO ANSWER' ABORT DELAYED ABORT ERROR >SAY "Initializing\n" >'' ATZ >OK-AT-OK ATDT#777 >CONNECT \d\c > >That script is called via the "/etc/ppp/peers/blackberry" script: > >debug debug debug >nodetach ># NOTE: This may change depending on which device XmBlackberry ># sets up as the serial port for the modem... >/dev/pts/7 >115200 >connect "/usr/sbin/chat -f /etc/chatscripts/blackberry" >nomultilink >defaultroute >noipdefault >ipcp-restart 7 >ipcp-accept-local >ipcp-accept-remote ># added this, so that it doesn't disconnect after few mn of innactivity >lcp-echo-interval 0 >lcp-echo-failure 999 >modem >noauth >nocrtscts >noipdefault >novj # refused anyway, no point in trying every time >usepeerdns >user 8885551...@vzw3g.com >password 8885551234 > >I hope that helps. And yes, it was a right bitch to figure all that >out. Google can be your friend, but you have to interpolate some of >the data. >-- >- Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ri...@nerd.com - > > >Rick, > >Thanks much for the information. I'll let you know how it goes > >Greg > >-- >fedora-list mailing list >fedora-list@redhat.com >To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list >Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines I've used a Verizon USB broadband modem. I'll post my config file shortly (getting on a train as I type this). -- Mark C. Allman, PMP, CSM -- Allman Professional Consulting, Inc. -- www.allmanpc.com, 617-947-4263 -- (From my Treo 700p) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Installing Fedora on USB DiskOnKey and booting from different machine
Hi, I installed Fedora 11 on a DiskOnKey. I booted from this DiskONKey successfully on the machine on which I made the installation. However, when I tried on two different machines, it failed, and it reached the grub command line. On a third machine it reached a line containing the word GRUB only. I wonder - is there a way to install Fedora 11 on a DiskOnKey so that it will boot from any machine (which is capable of booting from USB )? Note: I had made my trials on motherboards after verifying that these motherboards **do** support boot from USB disk on key. This is the grub.conf on the USB DiskOnKey: title Fedora (2.6.29.4-167.fc11.x86_64) root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.29.4-167.fc11.x86_64 ro root=UUID=e73e50db-2420 -4792-a347-3e15ed38c5b9 rhgb quiet initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.29.4-167.fc11.x86_64.img Regards, Mark -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11 logging in as root - FC10 change not enough?
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > With just an editor like VI? I went to System>Administer>'Users and > Groups' and went to the Groups tab. Wheel is NOT listed there. When you have User Manager open, go to Edit -> Preferences and uncheck the box that says "Hide System Users and Groups". -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: VMware Workstation 6.5.3 on F11
On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 09:12 +0100, John Austin wrote: > On Fri, 2009-10-23 at 21:10 -0700, Paolo Galtieri wrote: > > Has anyone succeeded in installing the 64bit VMware Workstation 6.5.3 > > (the latest version) on F11? > > > > I've tried twice now and in both cases it's hung: > > > > I picked this up on the web > > naxos hints_info 6# cat F11_vmware-6.5.3_install > > http://communities.vmware.com/thread/228949;jsessionid=06755595CD2B7A953C989EEE3E498A23?tstart=15 > > 1) open two command windows. > > 2) become root in one of those windows. i.e. "su -". > > 3) in the root-ed window run "while true; do killall -9 > vmware-modconfig-console; done" > > 4) in the 2nd window run the install > rpm -i VMware-Workstation-6.5.3-185404.x86_64.rpm > > > 5) once the installer finishes go back to the root window and do a > control-C to stop the kill loop. > > 6) In the root window run "vmware-modconfig --console --install-all" to > install the modules. > vmware-modconfig --console --install-all > > It worked for me > Hope it helps > > John > > Both the 32-bit and 64-bit VMware 6.5.3 installs hang. Here's a short article I wrote to document what I did to get it installed and working: http://www.allmanpc.com/index.php/articles/44-articles-tech/84-vmware-ws-653 -- Mark C. Allman, PMP, CSM -- Allman Professional Consulting, Inc. -- www.allmanpc.com, 617-947-4263 -- Twitter: allmanpc signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: python error with yum on F11
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Tony Nelson wrote: > > It probably is not a recompile, but rather something else bad. Anyway, > that would be your problem with yum. Before you rm that bad > subprocess.pyc, what does file say about it? You might also consider > forcing an fsck (e.g., `touch /forcefsck ; reboot`). > file says it is python 2.6 byte-compiled My thanks to you, as well, for your assistance. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: python error with yum on F11
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:18 AM, steve wrote: > Hmm, yeah, that indeed is weird. Note that since the file size is way too > small (smaller than the /optimized/ .pyo), i doubt it is even a recompiled > file. You may want to either run a rpm -Va or check the filesystem for all > files modified on that date (ref, find -mtime), if you really are curious. > > If you care only about making yum work, you can of course delete the .pyc, > which would cause yum (or any other python script that uses subprocess.py) > to recreate it the next time subprocess is imported ...tho' you probably > knew that already. I do use python, but I'm new to it. Your comment about the .pyc being recompiled was a great reminder. Thank you. rpm -Va python only flaged that one file. I did mv it, and then ran yum successfully. This was all an excellent reminder of how to properly troubleshoot these kinds of problems. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: python error with yum on F11
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:36 AM, Tony Nelson wrote: > If the above seem OK, then: > > rpm -q python yum# should be python-2.6-xxx, yum-3.2.xxx > rpm -V python# should produce no output > rpm -V yum # should produce no output or only /etc/yum.conf > rpm -q python yum python-2.6-9.fc11.i586 yum-3.2.24-2.fc11.noarch rpm -V python S.5T./usr/lib/python2.6/subprocess.pyc Yeah. I'm a little confused by that. So, I checked the date: ll /usr/lib/python2.6/sub* -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 45471 2009-06-08 16:07 /usr/lib/python2.6/subprocess.py -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 119 2009-08-26 21:15 /usr/lib/python2.6/subprocess.pyc -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 32985 2009-06-08 16:07 /usr/lib/python2.6/subprocess.pyo I am baffled as to what would have caused the module to recompile on 8/26. rpm -V yum returns no output. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: python error with yum on F11
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:17 AM, steve wrote: > Hello Mark, > I think you might have (possibly inadvertently) messed up your python > installation. > > Check the following: > $ python --version # should show you Python 2.6 > $ python -c "import sys; print sys.path" ># This should show you the places that python would look for modules > such as Popen. It ideally should include '/usr/lib/python2.6/' (and > '/usr/lib64/python26 if you have a x86_64 box). > > $ echo $PYTHONPATH ># This env variable is passed to python to modify the sys.path > (mentioned above) at runtime. This should ideally not exist if you don't do > any python development yourself. > > Let us know what you find, > If I've messed up my python install, it certainly is inadvertent. I do use python, but I've checked my root history and I've not manually installed any python packages since I installed F11. The version is 2.6 To get a little cleaner list output, I ran python from root: Python 2.6 (r26:66714, Jun 8 2009, 16:07:26) [GCC 4.4.0 20090506 (Red Hat 4.4.0-4)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import sys >>> for which in sys.path: ... print which ... /usr/lib/python26.zip /usr/lib/python2.6 /usr/lib/python2.6/plat-linux2 /usr/lib/python2.6/lib-tk /usr/lib/python2.6/lib-old /usr/lib/python2.6/lib-dynload /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/Numeric /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/PIL /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/gst-0.10 /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/gtk-2.0 The PYTHONPATH environment variable is not set And, no, this is not a x86_64 box. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
python error with yum on F11
I just started getting the following error from yum: There was a problem importing one of the Python modules required to run yum. The error leading to this problem was: cannot import name Popen Please install a package which provides this module, or verify that the module is installed correctly. It's possible that the above module doesn't match the current version of Python, which is: 2.6 (r26:66714, Jun 8 2009, 16:07:26) [GCC 4.4.0 20090506 (Red Hat 4.4.0-4)] If you cannot solve this problem yourself, please go to the yum faq at: http://wiki.linux.duke.edu/YumFaq Popen is supposed to be provided by subprocess.py, and I've confirmed that class Popen is in the /usr/lib/python2.6/subprocess.py module. I don't see anything helpful on the website above, or in a google search, or in pinging a few helpful associates. Any guidance from this community will be appreciated. Thanks. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: keeping the old public key (id_rsa.pub) when upgrading Fedora
At 11:52 on 10 Oct 2009, Mark Ryden wrote: > Hello, > I have several fedora machines which I upgrade/reinstall, from time > to time. > > I do this by reinstalling Fedora (I know that there is an upgrade > option for Fedora but I prefer to reinstall). > When doing so, the /root/.ssh folder is of course deleted. > Now, on some of these machine, I have a public key which is installed > on several servers to enable me > ssh access to these machines without typing the password. > The public key is generated thus: > ssh-keygen -t rsa > And it generates 2 files: > id_rsa and id_rsa.pub > And I paste the contents of id_rsa.pub to the server > /root./ssh/authorized_keys (or /root./ssh/authorized_keys2). > > > Any idea if there is a way to keep the id_rsa.pub when reinstalling > Fedora ? How about backing it up? -- Mark Knoop -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
keeping the old public key (id_rsa.pub) when upgrading Fedora
Hello, I have several fedora machines which I upgrade/reinstall, from time to time. I do this by reinstalling Fedora (I know that there is an upgrade option for Fedora but I prefer to reinstall). When doing so, the /root/.ssh folder is of course deleted. Now, on some of these machine, I have a public key which is installed on several servers to enable me ssh access to these machines without typing the password. The public key is generated thus: ssh-keygen -t rsa And it generates 2 files: id_rsa and id_rsa.pub And I paste the contents of id_rsa.pub to the server /root./ssh/authorized_keys (or /root./ssh/authorized_keys2). Any idea if there is a way to keep the id_rsa.pub when reinstalling Fedora ? (If I try ssh-keygen -t rsa after reinstall, I am unable to ssh to these servers.) Regards, Mark -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Using a USB Hub on Linux ?
Folks - You can argue that USB isn't supposed to do this, but in reality it works. My wife uses Windows XP and I set her up with an IOGear USB 2.0 Peripherals Sharing Hub, model GUB201. It has worked wothout a hitch in letting her switch one printer between her desktop and laptop. Ergo, it CAN be done. As for doing it in FC? I don't know. I haven't had a huge need to figure it out. On 10/9/09, Craig White wrote: > On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 14:20 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: >> A typical /etc/cups/client.conf: >> --- >> # Client.conf >> ServerName coyote.coyote.den >> --- > > Entirely unnecessary for a small LAN that allows broadcasts but if it > works for you and your network setup, then I am glad. > > Craig > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- Sent from my mobile device -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Subtitle editor?
At 09:40 on 08 Oct 2009, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > Advice please? Anything in Fedora repos? Or elsewhere? pkcon search details subtitle I use subtitleeditor. -- Mark Knoop -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11, skype, compatible microphone?
On Fri, 2009-10-02 at 13:51 -0700, jack craig wrote: > its a telex m-40 that i have had kicking around for a long time. > still, i could try a test on my daughters M$ and see if it works > better there... > > other Skype folks say they hear me faintly, but a lot of static; i > have tried the input control, but it doesnt seem to help. > > maybe i should try the arecord with it, ... > > thx for your time, jackc... > > > On 10/02/2009 12:55 PM, Tait Clarridge wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-10-02 at 12:22 -0700, jack craig wrote: > > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > > > I have setup Skype on my dell desktop and have the audio out working well. > > > > > > however, the ancient microphone i have is not working well. > > > > > > who is using dell, skype, and FC11 that could recommend mic to buy? > > > > > > tia, jackc... > > > > > > -- > > > jack craig > > >ja...@linuxlighthouse.com > > > 831-684-1375 (Office) > > > 831-596-6924 (cell) > > > IM: jackcraigaptos (AIM) > > > > > > _ > > > This email has been ClamScanned ! > > > www.LinuxLightHouse.com > > > > > > > > Can you confirm that the microphone is working on another computer? If > > that is the case, it is not the microphone that is causing issues if it > > is plugging in using the regular mini-jack. > > > > Tait > > > > -- >jack craig > ja...@linuxlighthouse.com > 831-684-1375 (Office) > 831-596-6924 (cell) >IM: jackcraigaptos (AIM) > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines Try running gnome-sound-recorder included in the gnome-media package. That's what I used to check out all the KMix settings (I use KDE) and the volume/mute controls on the headset. BTW, that's one thing I liked about the Logitech headset--it has a mute and volume control in the cable. -- Mark C. Allman, PMP, CSM -- Allman Professional Consulting, Inc. -- www.allmanpc.com, 617-947-4263 -- Twitter: allmanpc Mark Allman's profile on LinkedIn signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11, skype, compatible microphone?
On Fri, 2009-10-02 at 12:22 -0700, jack craig wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I have setup Skype on my dell desktop and have the audio out working well. > > however, the ancient microphone i have is not working well. > > who is using dell, skype, and FC11 that could recommend mic to buy? > > tia, jackc... > > -- > jack craig >ja...@linuxlighthouse.com > 831-684-1375 (Office) > 831-596-6924 (cell) > IM: jackcraigaptos (AIM) > > _ > This email has been ClamScanned ! > www.LinuxLightHouse.com > I use one Logitech headset with separate audio out and mic jacks (not the USB version) on my Dell XPS 1710. Cost about $25. I also tried an old headset and I couldn't get the mic to work. No clue why. -- Mark C. Allman, PMP, CSM -- Allman Professional Consulting, Inc. -- www.allmanpc.com, 617-947-4263 -- Twitter: allmanpc signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: combining image files into a pdf
At 08:14 on 24 Sep 2009, David Timms wrote: > Hi, I have image files of type: > - png > - tif (b/w) - fax like > - jpg > that were produced by my scanner, during scan of a document. > I've found that the netpbm tools (pnmtops) do a much better job at this than ImageMagick (convert) and friends. Assuming A4 size images, try something like: convert imagefile pnm:- | \ pnmtops -imagewidth 8.27 -nocenter | \ ps2pdf -sPAPERSIZE=a4 - imagefile.pdf for each image, followed by: pdftk imagefile*.pdf cat output finished.pdf to concatenate them all into one pdf file. -- Mark Knoop -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
F11: nvidia, KDE or X window display errors
Lately I've been seeing windows get corrupted suddenly. I took a snapshot of one and you can see it at http://www.allmanpc.com/video_display_error.jpg If I minimize/restore the window it will (so far) re-display correctly. Moving between workspaces (I have 4) doesn't fix the problem. If I mininize the window and hover over the task bar area for the window it'll show me a small preview of the window and it will still look corrupted. If I restore the window it will start to display corrupted for a split second and then appear to repaint correctly (it's hard to tell--it's very fast). Has anyone else seen this? The overall desktop displays fine. The problem is limited to windows. It doesn't appear to be an app-related issue. I've seen this happen to OpenOffice, Evolution and Opera windows (and maybe others--I don't recall). My /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is very tiny: # Xorg configuration created by livna-config-display Section "Files" ModulePath "/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/nvidia" ModulePath "/usr/lib/xorg/modules" EndSection Section "ServerFlags" Option "AIGLX" "on" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard0" Driver "nvidia" Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True" EndSection Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Enable" EndSection I don't know if this is an X and/or KDE and/or nvidia problem. This just started within the past week or two. I haven't changed any nvidia, X or KDE settings lately. I've re-booted the laptop a few time in the past few weeks so it's not an "update needs a reboot" issue. I've looked through ~/.xsession-errors but nothing looked obvious like "error displaying window." One observation: the windows which are corrupted always look about like what the snapshot image I mentioned earlier looks like. It's not random. It looks like that green vertical bar pattern on black every time. My system (which is up to date as of a few days ago): Dell XPS 1710 Video H/W: nVidia GeForce Go 7900 GTX Kernel: 2.6.30.5-43.fc11.i586 Desktop: KDE xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-185.18.36-1.fc11.i586 kmod-nvidia-2.6.30.5-43.fc11.i586-185.18.36-1.fc10.i686 xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-185.18.36-1.fc11.i586 akmod-nvidia-185.18.36-1.fc11.i686 kdebase-4.3.0-1.fc11.i586 Anyone have a clue what might be causing this? -- Mark C. Allman, PMP -- Allman Professional Consulting, Inc. -- www.allmanpc.com, 617-947-4263 -- Twitter: allmanpc Consulting IT Project/Program Management: on-time, on-budget signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
HDA-Intel: device controlC0 creation question
System: Dell XPS 1710 Sound H/W: HDA-Intel Current kernel: 2.6.29.6-217.2.16.fc11.i586 In the /dev/snd directory I see: hwC0D0 hwC0D1 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p pcmC0D1p timer The controlC0 device is created in /dev, not in /dev/snd, and the first rule in /etc/udev/rules.d/90-alsa.rules fails. In the file /etc/udev/rules.d/40-alsa.rules I see the line: KERNEL=="controlC[1-9]*", NAME="snd/%k", MODE="0666" If I change [1-9] to [0-9] I see the controlC0 device created in /dev/snd, and the alsa rules run just fine. I see in /dev/snd: controlC0 hwC0D0 hwC0D1 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p pcmC0D1p timer The controlC0 should be in /dev/snd, correct? Also, none of the sound devices like /dev/audio, dev/dsp, /dev/mixer, etc., are created. Now that I have the controlC0 device being created in (what I hope is) the correct place, where is the creation of the /dev devices like dsp and audio controlled? I see lines like KERNEL=="audio0", SYMLINK+="audio", MODE="0666" in 40-alsa.rules but no /dev/audio (or audio0) device ends up being created. Any suggestions would be helpful. tia, -- Mark C. Allman, PMP -- Allman Professional Consulting, Inc. -- www.allmanpc.com, 617-947-4263 -- Twitter: allmanpc signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Chrome-Fedora People
At 09:19 on 02 Sep 2009, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > Tried that, but no dice. I keep getting "Hello, you either have > JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get > the latest Flash player." > > I can't see where Javascript is turned on or off (though the Help > implies it's on by default), and libflashplayer.so is one of the > plugins in /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins, now symlinked > to /usr/lib64/chromium-browser/plugins. Did you read about:linux-splash ? -- Mark Knoop -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is pulseaudio started?
At 14:49 on 27 Aug 2009, Steve Blackwell wrote: > On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:12:39 +0930 > Tim wrote: > > > On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 10:12 -0400, Steve Blackwell wrote: > > > I'd like to know where (which file) the information is > > > stored in and what program starts it. gdm? gnome? gconf? > > > > A hint for finding out things like that: Change a setting, and > > search for a very recently changed file. > > > Interesting. > I had already found a directory called ~/.config/autostart but > there was no hint of anything pulseaudio related in there. Then I > followed your suggestion and disabled its autostart and searched for > recently changed files. Now there is a file called > ~/.config/pulseaudio.desktop. That is backward to what I would have > expected and if I enable pulseaudio again, the file is removed. Come on, it's not exactly rocket-science. Perhaps you could start by reading what you've posted: > The pulseaudio.desktop file contains this: > > [Desktop Entry] > X-GNOME-Autostart-enabled=false Look also in /etc/xdg/autostart/ and at http://standards.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-latest.html -- Mark Knoop -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: help
rgheck wrote: > On 08/27/2009 11:43 AM, Brian Bentley wrote: >> I installed fedora 11 and I can't get online. It detects the Internet >> connection and says it is established but firefox will not connect >> neither will the system update. Is there something I need to do in the >> terminal to make it go online. I have a dsl connection. I had to >> revert back to ubuntu to get online. Any help would be appreciated. >> > It ought just to connect. > > > Choose "Edit connections". Select the connection you want to use and > choose "Edit". Make sure "Connect automatically" is checked. Check the > IPv4 settings, and make sure they are right for your network. > > rh > > Yet another reason that Network Manager needs to go away. It's a giant PITA. -- Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: CUPS: "publishing" a printer?
On 08/25/2009 11:05 PM, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: Using "System|Administration|Printing" i can see my printers, so I select my default printer and look at the "Policies" section. I shows "Shared" but with an annotation that it is not "published" and to see "Server Settings" for information. Where is this particular "Server Settings" it refers to? "System|Administration|Server Settings" has nothing appropriate, and there is no "Server Settings" in the Printing complex. "System|Administration|Printing" brings up the "Printer Configuration" gui app. On the menu bar is "Server Printer Group View Help". Click "Server" and that gives you a drop-down with "Settings ..." as the second choice. "Settings" brings up a "Basic Server Settings" dialog box. The second check box is "Publish shared printers . . ." I installed samba-swat and browsed through the advanced view on printing and could find nothing appropriate. So, how does one "publish" a printer under F11? Thanks for your attention. -- PGP key available -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: hplip
Patrick - When I installed hplip for my OfficeJet J6480, the automatic configuration didn't work correctly. Further, I couldn't fix it with either system-config-printer, cups, or lpadmin. I had to manually delete the printer from the printers.conf file, the restart the cups service. That was just to get to a point of having no printers defined. >From there I was able to run system-config-printer and get my printer working correctly. I don't know if that will work in your case, but it might worth considering. On 8/20/09, Patrick Dupre wrote: > > Then, I am confuse. > > Right now, rpm -q hplip and hpijs shwow that I did not install > hplip and hpijs > > But I installed hplip from hplip-3.9.8.run, ie, that hplip and hpijs > are installed ? > > So. I could remove the hplip-3.9.8, and install hpijs.rpm (fedora 11) > and it should work. But then if I install hplip-3.9.8, it will remove > the hpijs from fedora ? > > Now, the question, is what is the difference between the hpijs-3.9.2-4.fc11 > and the hpijs.3.9.8 ? > By the way, I do understand that the blank pages are due to the ppd > file because it is OK for none postscript file. > Should I conclude that I need to use the ppd file coming with > hpihs-3.9.4-4 ? But this package does not seems to have a ppd > file for an HP-laserjet_P1005 ? > > So, it looks like that I am stick with the HP distribution !! > > Am I wrong ? > > > Patrick Dupre kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika torstai, 20. >> elokuuta 2009): >> >>> I can try to remove hplip. >>> But, when I print, do I really use hplip ? >>> >> >> Yes, you use the hp CUPS backend included in the hplip package >> and the driver from the hpijs pacakge. >> >> Do I only need a ppd file ? >>> >> >> Only PostScript printers work with only a ppd file. >> >> >> > -- > --- > == > Patrick DUPRÉ | | > Department of Chemistry| |Phone: (44)-(0)-1904-434384 > The University of York | |Fax: (44)-(0)-1904-432516 > Heslington | | > York YO10 5DD United Kingdom | |email: pd...@york.ac.uk > == > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
F10 install update repo -- SOLVED
That's interesting, DESPITE my including all networking information during the installation, /etc/resolv.conf was empty. I'd file a bug but since it's not F11, I'm not going to bother. Sorry to trouble everyone. I just installed F10 for the first time on a server here. The installation went swimmingly, but the first time I ran 'yum update' I got this: Could not retrieve mirrorlist http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-10&arch=i386 error was [Errno 4] IOError: Error: Cannot retrieve repository metadata (repomd.xml) for repository: fedora. Please verify its path and try again Can someone clue me in to the problem? -- Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
F10 install update repo
I just installed F10 for the first time on a server here. The installation went swimmingly, but the first time I ran 'yum update' I got this: Could not retrieve mirrorlist http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-10&arch=i386 error was [Errno 4] IOError: Error: Cannot retrieve repository metadata (repomd.xml) for repository: fedora. Please verify its path and try again Can someone clue me in to the problem? -- Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Audio CD problem solution tested and it works
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 04:53:57 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > In bugzilla # 513495 > Aram Agajanian poses a solution for the Audio CD problem and it works. > > First you get udev-141-4.fc11.src.rpm from the link below. > > http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/udev/141/4.fc11/src/ udev-141-4.fc11.src.rpm > > Get the spec file with rpm -i udev-141-4.fc11.src.rpm > > Remove patch4 from the spec file by commenting it out. Do a rpmbuild -bp > then a rpmbuild -bb Install the files created (not the devel files) > udev, udev-static libudev0 and libvolume_id > > Reboot and the Audio CD icon is back. -- I will be posting a more detailed description in the bugzilla report. I tried the above, and yes the Audio CD icon is back on the Gnome desktop. It still is not back on the KDE desktop. Since it's back on the Gnome desktop, Rhythmbox sees the contents. However, Rhythmbox will not play the CD for me. Audacious plays the CD through pulseaudio, but with skips. VLC struggles, but plays the CD. KsCD sees the CD (either way), but does not play it. Kaffine happily plays the CD regardless, as long as the back end is ALSA. If KDE is configured to use pulseaudio, then Kaffine sees the CD but does not play it. I reverted by adding the patch back in, rebuilding the RPMs, installing, and then rebooting. Apparently, there are more things going on (at least on this system - upgraded from F10 to F11 and re-installed pulseaudio). /mde/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Cron jobs running twice
On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 08:18 -0400, Casartello, Thomas wrote: > I have a weird issue on one of my Fedora 11 machines. All my cron jobs > keep running twice. (for example the stuff in cron.hourly will run > twice every hour.) Just upgraded this machine from Fedora 10 > yesterday. There’s only one crond process running so I’m not sure why > it’s doing it. Here’s the log: > > > > Jul 31 07:01:01 ataxia CROND[18485]: (root) CMD > (run-parts /etc/cron.hourly) > > Jul 31 07:01:01 ataxia CROND[18486]: (root) CMD > (run-parts /etc/cron.hourly) > > Jul 31 07:01:01 ataxia run-parts(/etc/cron.hourly)[18485]: starting > 0anacron > > Jul 31 07:01:01 ataxia run-parts(/etc/cron.hourly)[18486]: starting > 0anacron > > Jul 31 07:01:01 ataxia run-parts(/etc/cron.hourly)[18504]: finished > 0anacron > > Jul 31 07:01:01 ataxia run-parts(/etc/cron.hourly)[18505]: finished > 0anacron > > Jul 31 07:01:01 ataxia run-parts(/etc/cron.hourly)[18486]: starting > process-quarantine.pl > > Jul 31 07:01:01 ataxia run-parts(/etc/cron.hourly)[18485]: starting > process-quarantine.pl > > Jul 31 07:01:01 ataxia run-parts(/etc/cron.hourly)[18516]: finished > process-quarantine.pl > > Jul 31 07:04:36 ataxia run-parts(/etc/cron.hourly)[20474]: finished > process-quarantine.pl > > > > Thomas E. Casartello, Jr. > > Staff Assistant - Wireless/Linux Administrator > > Information Technology > > Wilson 105A > > Westfield State College > > (413) 572-8245 > > > > Red Hat Certified Technician (RHCT) > > > > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines I bet that cron and anacron are both running your cron jobs. I ran into this when I upgraded one of my systems to F11. If I remember correctly I commented out the "run cron jobs" stuff in the anacron config. -- Mark C. Allman, PMP -- Allman Professional Consulting, Inc. -- www.allmanpc.com, 617-947-4263 -- Twitter: allmanpc Consulting IT Project/Program Management: on-time, on-budget signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Sound is gone
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:03:31 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: > > in /etc/pulse/default.pa, change the line > > load-module module-hal-detect > > to > load-module module-hal-detect tsched=0 And if I do this, I lose my PCI-based sound card from pulseaudio. My hardware: LogiTech QuickCam Pro 5000: card 0 (usb) Intel 82801BA/BAM AC'97 : card 1 (on board) Turtle Beach Santa Cruz CS46xx: card 2 (PCI card - my preferred card) If I stop playback on a player (audacious for example), I lose sound when I restart the playback. I have to exit the player to get sound back. I have also noticed that when using audacious or rhythmbox, the stereo link icon in the advanced volume control becomes unlinked. There are more issues, but I have not done a systematic walk through all of them at this point. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Is it possible to install Skype on Fedora 11 ?
John, thanks, adding the skype repo and yum install skype worked. Great! rgs, Mark On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:24 PM, John Horne wrote: > On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 13:58 +0300, Mark Ryden wrote: >> Hello, > >> So I tried to install qt for 32 bit, and it failed with Transaction Check >> Error: >> > Take a look at > http://www.my-guides.net/en/content/view/161/26/2/9/#fedora_skype > > Scroll down for the skype installation. I used the skype repository. Yum > then resolves all the dependencies, and skype installed with no > problems. > > > > > John. > > -- > --- > John Horne, University of Plymouth, UK Tel: +44 (0)1752 587287 > E-mail: john.ho...@plymouth.ac.uk Fax: +44 (0)1752 587001 > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Is it possible to install Skype on Fedora 11 ?
Hello, I tried to install Skype on Fedora 11 on a 64 bit machine (x86_64). I downloaded the rpm from Skype website and tried to install. There is no rpm for f11 in Skype website. Only rpms for fedora 6 and 7; See: http://www.skype.com/intl/en/download/skype/linux/choose/ so I downloaded the rpm for fedora 7. These rpms (also for Fedora 6) are for 32 bit machines. So when trying to install the skype rpm, I get errors which tell me that I need to install qt 32 bit. The errors I get are : ... libQtCore.so.4 is needed by skype-2.0.0.72... libQtDBus.so.4 is needed by skype-2.0.0.72... libQtGui.so.4 is needed by skype-2.0.0.72... ... So I tried to install qt for 32 bit, and it failed with Transaction Check Error: yum install qt.i386 Running Transaction Test Finished Transaction Test Transaction Check Error: file /usr/share/qt4/translations/assistant_adp_de.qm from install of qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64 file /usr/share/qt4/translations/assistant_adp_zh_CN.qm from install of qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64 file /usr/share/qt4/translations/assistant_adp_zh_TW.qm from install of qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64 file /usr/share/qt4/translations/assistant_de.qm from install of qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64 file /usr/share/qt4/translations/assistant_zh_CN.qm from install of qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64 file /usr/share/qt4/translations/assistant_zh_TW.qm from install of qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64 file /usr/share/qt4/translations/designer_de.qm from install of qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64 file /usr/share/qt4/translations/designer_ja.qm from install of qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64 file /usr/share/qt4/translations/designer_pl.qm from install of qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64 file /usr/share/qt4/translations/designer_zh_CN.qm from install of qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64 file /usr/share/qt4/translations/designer_zh_TW.qm from install of qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64 file /usr/share/qt4/translations/linguist_zh_CN.qm from install of qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64 file /usr/share/qt4/translations/linguist_zh_TW.qm from install of qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64 file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qt_de.qm from install of qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64 file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qt_help_de.qm from install of qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64 file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qt_help_zh_CN.qm from install of qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64 file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qt_help_zh_TW.qm from install of qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64 file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qt_zh_CN.qm from install of qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64 file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qt_zh_TW.qm from install of qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64 file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qtconfig_zh_CN.qm from install of qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64 file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qtconfig_zh_TW.qm from install of qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64 file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qvfb_zh_CN.qm from install of qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64 file /usr/share/qt4/translations/qvfb_zh_TW.qm from install of qt-1:4.5.1-13.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package qt-1:4.4.3-2.fc10.x86_64 Error Summary - Any ideas what should I do ? Rgs, Mark -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Why did it install PAE kernel in F11
Hello, I had installed fedora 11 on a 32 bit machine from scratch. I had installed using defaults. running "uname -r" gives: 2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i686.PAE it installed a PAE kernel (kernel-PAE-2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i686). On this machine there was a regular, non PAE kernel on previous installation of fedora 10. My question is: why all of a sudden with F11 it gives this PAE kernel ? is it OK? should I remove this kernel and install a new, non PAE one? regards, Mark -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
F11 SELinux Squid & port 2082
Hi It is impossible for me to reach a web page that uses port 2082 through squid as SELinux keeps blocking it. If i bypass squid i can reach the web page. How do i configure SELinux to allow port 2082 ? Mark -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Dolphin tabs F11
Hi How do i get the tabs i have open in dolphin to stay there when i reboot ? Mark -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Yum conf file to skip package install
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 6:33 AM, stan wrote: > On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 06:10:13 +0200 > Mark Panen wrote: > >> Hi >> >> If i don't want to upgrade a package what is the path to the yum conf >> file which allows this ? >> >> Mark >> > The yum.conf file is in /etc, so it would be /etc/yum.conf > > Do man yum.conf and look at the exclude option. > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > I don't want to type "yum exclude update" everytime, i want to exclude the package permanently. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Yum conf file to skip package install
Hi If i don't want to upgrade a package what is the path to the yum conf file which allows this ? Mark -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Unable to boot F11 with multiple drives on system
Hi I was given the option to put my boot loader on sda1 amongst others even though F11 had chosen a PATA drive as default for grub. My other SATA drives where also shown. Anyway i choose sda1 like it works with another OS and when i rebooted F11 after the install i came to the grub prompt. The rescue function tells me /sbin/grub-install cannot be found when i ran grub-install /dev/sda Any help please Mark -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
installing google chrome on Fedora 9 - 64 bit
Hello, Does anyone have any success with installing google chrome (beta) on Fedora 9 - 64 bit ? I appreciate if he can share the link to the rpm + tips on installation. I downloaded google chrome rpm (both the 64 bit and the 32 bit) from this site but got errors when installing it: http://www.benkevan.com/upload/software/ I tried both with --nodes and without it. rpm -ivh google-chrome-unstable-3.0.183.1-1.x86_64.rpm error: Failed dependencies: rpmlib(PayloadIsLzma) <= 4.4.2-1 is needed by google-chrome-unstable-3.0.183.1-1.x86_64 --- rpm -ivh google-chrome-unstable-3.0.183.1-1.x86_64.rpm --nodeps Preparing...### [100%] 1:google-chrome-unstable ### [100%] error: unpacking of archive failed: cpio: Bad magic --- 32 bit: === rpm -ivh google-chrome-unstable-3.0.183.1-1.i386.rpm --nodeps Preparing...### [100%] 1:google-chrome-unstable ### [100%] error: unpacking of archive failed: cpio: Bad magic --- rpm -ivh google-chrome-unstable-3.0.183.1-1.i386.rpm error: Failed dependencies: libnspr4.so.0d is needed by google-chrome-unstable-3.0.183.1-1.i386 libnss3.so.1d is needed by google-chrome-unstable-3.0.183.1-1.i386 libnss3.so.1d(NSS_3.10) is needed by google-chrome-unstable-3.0.183.1-1.i386 libnss3.so.1d(NSS_3.12) is needed by google-chrome-unstable-3.0.183.1-1.i386 libnss3.so.1d(NSS_3.2) is needed by google-chrome-unstable-3.0.183.1-1.i386 libnss3.so.1d(NSS_3.3) is needed by google-chrome-unstable-3.0.183.1-1.i386 libnss3.so.1d(NSS_3.4) is needed by google-chrome-unstable-3.0.183.1-1.i386 libnss3.so.1d(NSS_3.5) is needed by google-chrome-unstable-3.0.183.1-1.i386 libnss3.so.1d(NSS_3.6) is needed by google-chrome-unstable-3.0.183.1-1.i386 libnss3.so.1d(NSS_3.9) is needed by google-chrome-unstable-3.0.183.1-1.i386 libnssutil3.so.1d is needed by google-chrome-unstable-3.0.183.1-1.i386 libplc4.so.0d is needed by google-chrome-unstable-3.0.183.1-1.i386 libplds4.so.0d is needed by google-chrome-unstable-3.0.183.1-1.i386 libsmime3.so.1d is needed by google-chrome-unstable-3.0.183.1-1.i386 libssl3.so.1d is needed by google-chrome-unstable-3.0.183.1-1.i386 libssl3.so.1d(NSS_3.2) is needed by google-chrome-unstable-3.0.183.1-1.i386 libssl3.so.1d(NSS_3.4) is needed by google-chrome-unstable-3.0.183.1-1.i386 rpmlib(PayloadIsLzma) <= 4.4.2-1 is needed by google-chrome-unstable-3.0.183.1-1.i386 Rgs, Mark -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: No video -- anaconda or live -- 8800GTX
.. Original Message ... On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:53:21 +0100 "Frank Murphy" wrote: >On 15/06/09 18:46, Jake Peavy wrote: >> All, >> >> Was going to put F11 on my Dell XPS710, but neither Anaconda installer >> (on x86_64 installation DVD) nor x86 LiveUSB bring up video. >> > >Did you try basic mode Xdriver=vesa on the dvd, > >Frank > I ran into what sounds like tha same anaconda issue on an older Dell laptop and the "xdriver=vesa" option worked like a charm. I'm now running into an error when the upgrade finally starts. After it tells you what discs are needed for the upgrade it tries to copy either the install image or new kernel (I can't remember what it says) and pops up an error dialog. The suggestion is that the system may be out of space but that isn't the problem (30+ GB available). I looked through the traceback for a minute but didn't see anything obvious. I'll dig into it more this evening. -- Mark C. Allman, PMP -- Allman Professional Consulting, Inc. -- www.allmanpc.com, 617-947-4263 -- (From my Treo 700p) Consulting IT Project/Program Management: on-time, on-budget -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Fedora 11 Multimedia
Hi Seem to be missing something this time round, can't for the life of me find a how to on google to set up multimedia on Fedora 11. Can anyone help please ? Mark -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
I don't have colors in Midnight commander editor
Hello, I have fedora release 9 . I installed mc (midnight commander) by "yum install mc". When I open xml files or "c" source files or java with mc editor (by pressing F4) I don't see any colors. (I mean colors of some keywords , like "int" (for c source file), lines starting with "<" or "<--" for xml, etc.) On other fedora machines I **do** see colors with mc. Any ideas what can be the reason ? Rgs, Mark -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Viewing tabs in an editor in fedora 10
suvayu ali, Thnks, but this is **not ** what I meant. You are right in what you say about gedit. However, I mean when pressing the "tab" key. (and not tabs of windows. Any idea if it is possible to see it ? With vi, these tabs are shows as "^I" (when running :set list") Rgs, Mark On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 2:17 AM, suvayu ali wrote: > 2009/5/20 Mark Ryden : >> Hello, >> I am looking for viewing tabs in an editor in fedora 10. >> I know that this can be done with vim and vi (with :set list). (If I >> remember correctly, also >> with emacs). >> >> However, I tried to achieve this task with other editors (like >> jedit/gedit/kate) and >> could not. >> Any ideas if it is possible with other editors than vi/vim/emacs ? >> > > I believe that is the default behaviour for gedit. If a file is > already open in gedit and you open another file, it opens in a new > tab. However I can't comment on any of the other editors you mention. > > -- > Suvayu > > Open source is the future. It sets us free. > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Viewing tabs in an editor in fedora 10
Hello, I am looking for viewing tabs in an editor in fedora 10. I know that this can be done with vim and vi (with :set list). (If I remember correctly, also with emacs). However, I tried to achieve this task with other editors (like jedit/gedit/kate) and could not. Any ideas if it is possible with other editors than vi/vim/emacs ? Rgs, Mark -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: So what's the deal with Xen?
Taylor, Tim wrote: > You might want to take a look at xenner. This is a utility that can run a > Xen DomU vm on the KVM hypervisor. > > - Tim > Again, I'm still screwed. It doesn't matter if there is an emulator for Xen on KVM if you don't have hardware that supports KVM. Hence, my previous post. -- Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: So what's the deal with Xen?
Johan Swensson wrote: > Xen is/will be replaced by KVM if I have understood things correctly. > Bloody hell. Seriously? Well, I'm thoroughly screwed then. -- Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
So what's the deal with Xen?
What's this I keep reading about Xen not being part of F10? I need xen for some virtual machines I'm moving over to a F10 box temporarily and I can't get yum to find the xen kernel anywhere. What am I missing here? -- Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
files which start with a dot and firefox gmail
Hello, When I am using gmail in firefox and I am trying to attach files , I cannot see files which start with a dot (for example, pressing attach a file and navigating to /root does not show files like .tcshrc). Is there a way to overcome it (except of course making another copy of the file which starts with a dot)? Rgs, Mark -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Treo 755p goes into boot cycle when connected to F10 over USB
I have a Palm Treo 755p. Up until recently, I could connect the Treo to my Dell D830 running F10 and hotsync, or I could run Mobile Stream's USBModem app on the Treo and establish a ppp internet connection. Recently, when I make the USB connection from the phone to the laptop, the phone goes into an immediate, endless boot cycle. I know this could be the result of a million different things, but I was wondering if anybody out there had any suggestions. (2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.i686 #1 SMP) I have tried all sorts of permutations of hotsyncing and modem usage over USB or bluetooth with various computers. I can hotsync the phone with my D830 over bluetooth, but I haven't figured how to do the bluetooth ppp configuration. USBmodem and hotsync work over USB on an Asus Z71a running XP. If I boot the Asus into F9 and connect the phone over USB, the phone doesn't reboot, but the pppd script doesn't run to completion. I also have an eee 1000, and I see either the phone rebooting or just the pppd failure, depending on what distribution I'm running. I prefer USB, but I would try Bluetooth for dial-up, if somebody could point me towards good directions. I would even change the distro on my Asus or eee if that was a solution. Thanks in advance, Mark -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [SPAM]Re: Remote administration of FC 10 headless servers.
Tim Waugh wrote: > Mark Haney wrote: >> And on a side note, you can also use vnc to do GUI type things like >> installing apps and updates as well. > > No, this hasn't worked for me on Fedora 10 for a while (yes, bugzilla > report filed). > > Is it actually working for you? Are you using the 'vncserver' > initscript to start the VNC session? > > Tim. > */ > Yes and yes. It works perfectly for me. I've had no trouble at all. -- Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Remote administration of FC 10 headless servers.
Wendell Nichols wrote: > I just installed FC10 on my home server. I access it via xrdp. The > first time I tried to install some packages via the graphical package > manager it told me that I was not using a local console, and exited. > This machine doesn't have a console! How are we supposed to administer > headless servers? > wcn > And on a side note, you can also use vnc to do GUI type things like installing apps and updates as well. I do recommend though that you learn the command line, at least /some/ of it. You'll find it's much faster to do things and things can be done from the CLI on slow (ie mobile phone, dial-up) links that would kill a remote GUI program. -- Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Remote administration of FC 10 headless servers.
Wendell Nichols wrote: > I just installed FC10 on my home server. I access it via xrdp. The > first time I tried to install some packages via the graphical package > manager it told me that I was not using a local console, and exited. > This machine doesn't have a console! How are we supposed to administer > headless servers? > wcn > Like all of us do who admin linux boxes. From the command line. 'yum install' and yum update is your friend. -- Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Email Application for Fedora
cibertazzi2001 wrote: > Try openoffice is better that office of microsoft > > Em Dom, 2009-04-19 às 14:47 +0600, Adeel Akbar escreveu: >> Hi, In windows I used Microsoft office Outlook 2003 for emails >> correspondence and now I installed Fedora 10. Can any one tell me any that >> which application I used in Fedora for Emails which support all >> functionality of MS Office outlook and also having support to import all my >> previous emails? >> >> Adeel Akbar >> > Please don't top post. And please make the reply relevant to the question. Personally, I would suggest Evolution, it's the most 'Outlook-like' mail client I know of. I don't know what 'all' functionality in Outlook you want exactly, almost any mail client supports the same basic feature set, calendaring, task management, etc. -- Felicem natalem MMDCCLXII Roma Aeterna Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Resizing with gparted for Fedora installation
Hello, Still I am a little bewildered. I googled and read about it; still here is my dillema: there are 2 options which I consider: 1) running gparted from a Linux LiveCD, freeing space from the vista partition. then rebooting, making sure window vista can start, and then installing Linux on the freed space. 2) resizing while installing Linux. Suppose I have the rescue window CDs. which options is better ? Regards, Mark On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Craig White wrote: > On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 16:17 +0300, Mark Ryden wrote: >> Hello, >> I have a new Lenovo laptop with Windows Vista on it. I want to install >> Linux >> on it while keeping vista on it (though I rarely intend to use Vista, >> keeping vista is a MUST for me). So I want it to be dual boot. There is >> one partition on the disk, with 160GB. I consider using gparted livecd for >> it. >> In fact, I did not used the >> There is a way to Windows Vista except booting once into the system, so most >> of >> the disk is free. >> I know how to use the resize feature of gparted. I intend to resize >> the partition >> to 20 GB and then create a new parition in the free space which will be >> created. On the new paritition I intend to install the Linux. >> My questions are: >> 1) Is it safe to do resizing with gparted ? >> 2) I saw in the web in some post : >> run: >> #ntfsfix -V >> and then: >> if you don't see version 2 don't use this version of gparted on Vista >> NTFS volumes >> >> 3) This can be done also by ntfsresize, thus: >> ntfsresize -s 20G /dev/sda1 >> >> Is ntfsresize -s 20G any better ? safer? or is it in fact the same >> (but not from >> the GUI)? > > gparted should work but things to consider... > > Fedora 10 installer can resize NTFS partition on the fly when > installing. Gparted might be a bit easier (assuming that you make a boot > CD). > > If you have used the Windows for any length of time, defrag first. > > Leave any utility partitions alone, i.e. re-installation partitions etc. > so if necessary, you could reinstall Windows. > > After resizing, Windows will run a full repair on the next boot up, be > prepared to allow the time. > > Windows XP seems to require at least 12 Gigabytes with current SP3 and > Vista likely needs more. 20 should be OK. If space is not an issue, 24 > or 32 Gigabytes might be safer, especially if your need to use Windows > increases. > > Craig > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How do I rip this sort of audio stream ?
Linuxguy123 wrote: > I'd like to rip the audio stream that plays (with Totem) when I press > the "Listen" button on this page so that I can listen to it later in the > day. > > http://streamingradioguide.com/streaming-schedule.php?station=KKFT&service=FM > > I can listen to it live just fine with Totem. How could I record it so > that I could listen to it later as an MP3 ? > > Thanks > > LG > > > Have you tried streamripper? I've not used it in a long time, I'm not even sure it's actively developed any more. (If it is, I apologize to the devs...) -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Resizing with gparted for Fedora installation
Aaron, Thanks. I am a newbie about this. Why should I defrag the disk first? Won't it work without defrag the disk first? Are there any disadvantages of running gparted without defrag it first? Is the fact that, in fact, after the manufacturer/seller installed Vista, there was **no work** done on the filesystem (there was one boot into vista, that's all) , makes running defrag unneeded ? Regards, Mark On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 16:17 +0300, Mark Ryden wrote: >> Hello, >> I have a new Lenovo laptop with Windows Vista on it. I want to install >> Linux >> on it while keeping vista on it (though I rarely intend to use Vista, >> keeping vista is a MUST for me). So I want it to be dual boot. There is >> one partition on the disk, with 160GB. I consider using gparted livecd for >> it. >> In fact, I did not used the >> There is a way to Windows Vista except booting once into the system, so most >> of >> the disk is free. >> I know how to use the resize feature of gparted. I intend to resize >> the partition >> to 20 GB and then create a new parition in the free space which will be >> created. On the new paritition I intend to install the Linux. >> My questions are: >> 1) Is it safe to do resizing with gparted ? >> 2) I saw in the web in some post : >> run: >> #ntfsfix -V >> and then: >> if you don't see version 2 don't use this version of gparted on Vista >> NTFS volumes >> >> 3) This can be done also by ntfsresize, thus: >> ntfsresize -s 20G /dev/sda1 >> >> Is ntfsresize -s 20G any better ? safer? or is it in fact the same >> (but not from >> the GUI)? >> >> Regards, >> Mark Ryden >> > You probably want to defrag the disk first, > -- > === > An aphorism is never exactly true; it is either a half-truth or > one-and-a-half truths. -- Karl Kraus > === > Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 3, 4 and 6 - Remote Upgrade Advice?
Gabriel - IP Guys wrote: > Dear All, > > Thank you for reading my message. I have to upgrade three linux boxes, > that are FC3,4 and 6. Now, the problem that I have is that these > machines have other services running on them, and I do not want to break > anything. > > All three servers are in two collocation facilities, and I believe that > the safest method, is to move all services off from the machines, and > also remove all software to make the machines as stock as possible. I > then plan to run yum upgrade a few times until I'm up to date with the > repo, and then follow that with a yum upgrade - rinse, and repeat until > I'm at FC8 - I'll wait until 11 is in beta before I move forward to FC9. > I would appreciate any help or comments that you have. I'm not sure I would do 'yum upgrade'. But, with the systems being remote I don't know what other options there are on systems that old. I've got several systems I've upgraded (via media) from FC2 up to F9 without trouble. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Resizing with gparted for Fedora installation
Hello, I have a new Lenovo laptop with Windows Vista on it. I want to install Linux on it while keeping vista on it (though I rarely intend to use Vista, keeping vista is a MUST for me). So I want it to be dual boot. There is one partition on the disk, with 160GB. I consider using gparted livecd for it. In fact, I did not used the There is a way to Windows Vista except booting once into the system, so most of the disk is free. I know how to use the resize feature of gparted. I intend to resize the partition to 20 GB and then create a new parition in the free space which will be created. On the new paritition I intend to install the Linux. My questions are: 1) Is it safe to do resizing with gparted ? 2) I saw in the web in some post : run: #ntfsfix -V and then: if you don't see version 2 don't use this version of gparted on Vista NTFS volumes 3) This can be done also by ntfsresize, thus: ntfsresize -s 20G /dev/sda1 Is ntfsresize -s 20G any better ? safer? or is it in fact the same (but not from the GUI)? Regards, Mark Ryden -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: odd bind problem
Tim wrote: > On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 14:16 -0400, Mark Haney wrote: >> I've got a newly installed F10 box that is running BIND as a slave. >> I've been seeing something really odd, though. About every 6 or 7 >> days DNS recursion fails. There are no real error messages, but >> suddenly I can query any record we are SOA for (we host a couple dozen >> zones for customers) but we can't query, say www.google.com from that >> server. We get a SERVFAIL. > > Are you using NetworkManager? (A really bad idea for a server.) And > has an interface gone off-line and back on again? > Oh no. I kill NM the minute I get a chance. (I have plenty of other posts ranting about the crappiness that is NM). But suffice ti to say that NM goes to /dev/null the first chance I get. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
odd bind problem
I've got a newly installed F10 box that is running BIND as a slave. I've been seeing something really odd, though. About every 6 or 7 days DNS recursion fails. There are no real error messages, but suddenly I can query any record we are SOA for (we host a couple dozen zones for customers) but we can't query, say www.google.com from that server. We get a SERVFAIL. At first I thought it was due to a package update, but this has happened 3 times in 3 weeks and is unacceptable for a slave server. Any idea where to begin debugging this problem? Anyone else seen this? -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox addons for later
Mick M. wrote: > Hi; > I am putting a bunch of files on a USB stick. > > I have the latest firefox rpm and want to include some addons. > The ones I use are addblock-plus, videodownloadhelper, noscript, downthemall > and WOT. > > I know I can just install ff and then manually install them via the web. > But how do I include them on the stick? > I would like to be able to install ff then locally install the addons, before > going on the net. > > thanks > > Mick M. > > > > Just download the .xpi files to the USB drive. I do that quite often. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]
Bill Davidsen wrote: > I had actually hoped that the "profiles" stuff might let me have > multiple configurations which work at multiple locations. I have three > locations needing credentials, and I'd like to have a "Starbucks" > configuration which found whatever was available. Doesn't seem to work > that way. :-( Thankfully I know how to write scripts and use iwconfig... Yeah, it's a saving grace for those of us who have given up on NM. > >> NM sucks, everyone knows it, so let's can it and move to something that >> doesn't. >> > The reason people think it sucks is that the documentation is missing, > inadequate, or wrong. And when I mentioned this someone told me that > writing documentation is not a good use of developer time, and that's > hogwash. I've done FOSS and commercial development for over thirty > years, and on commercial software there was always a description before > the code was written, and someone writing documentation which was > checked by QA, or for something I was giving away, I wrote my own > because I wanted people to love and use my software. We used to call the > NM approach "if it was hard to code it should be hard to use." Actually, the documentation issue isn't why I think it sucks. But you are correct, no/poor/incorrect documentation is BAD. Very bad. I've been a sysadmin for 12 years now professionally and done a great deal of programming, I document /everything/ even in the smallest script. It makes life MUCH easier. The reason I think it sucks is because it's so erratically unstable and buggy. I'm all for open source, but implementing a half-baked app like this for something as important as the network is just foolish. This also coincides with bad documentation, I've not looked at the code, but if they don't document the app, is the code undocumented as well? To me, it seems that that is the case based on the unstable nature of the app. The decision to use this is still beyond me... > > I would would be ashamed if something I wrote was a constant topic on > this list, had it's own list on how to avoid it, even had people selling > bloody tee shirts which show "NetworkManager" in a circle with a slash > through it, and generated opinions like the "everyone knows it" above. > Actually I exaggerate, the site was selling iron-on sheets for $4, you > had to provide your own shirt, but there must have been some market. I > do believe that a scan of this list indicates it's not just a few people > frustrated by the lack of documentation. > -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]
Tom Horsley wrote: > On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:12:14 -0400 > Mark Haney wrote: > >> As for the arguments about wireless connectivity, how many people >> actually move between wireless connections? If you do it might be only >> between 2, home and work. > > I'm fairly certain from the empirical evidence that the NM developers > do all their work at different Starbucks (at least that seems to be > the only model NM seems to be designed to support :-). > I agree with you there. I've never seen an app make something straightforward into something so complex it never works the same way twice /and/ breaks the existing method that it's trying to replace. Can anyone explain to me why this is a good idea? -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]
Timothy Murphy wrote: > > I wish some guru who understands NM would bring out a variant > that just connects on bootup. > I'm pretty sure the standard version would rapidly fall into disuse. > But, they have that feature already. It's the way network interfaces have started for a decade. Why bother with NM at all when starting the interface on boot is what 99% of people need anyway? As for the arguments about wireless connectivity, how many people actually move between wireless connections? If you do it might be only between 2, home and work. NM sucks, everyone knows it, so let's can it and move to something that doesn't. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [SPAM]Re: 64bit or 32bit for my laptop
萌邱 wrote: > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:56 PM, David Hláčik wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> >> sorry for opening this neverending story again. >> >> I am about to reinstall Fedora 10 on my laptop. >> >> Asus F3Sr, ATI, 230GB disk 5400rpm, Intel Core Duo T5550 @1,83Ghz, 4GB DDR2 >> Ram >> >> I was using all the time only 32bit version here all the time (with >> kernel-pae). >> My question is , should I go with 64bit? Will this sacrifice me ;)? >> >> What I am using NB for? >> >> Pyton, PHP, XML , XHTML development in Netbeans. I am using apache, for >> that. >> Virtualization with VMware Workstation (For Windows XP). >> >> Thanks, and best regards, >> >> David >> -- >> fedora-list mailing list >> fedora-list@redhat.com >> To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list >> Guidelines: >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines >> > > Poor you, poor me(I had the same trouble, for my crossfire), and poor us. > > Just ONLY for your ATI card, the 32bit version is better. > The driver for ATI, especially for Linux 64bit, is very poor! > > I will not buy a NB with ATI card in the next few years. > > > I disagree completely. The Open Source radeon driver is awesome for 64-bit. It works great is rock solid and I don't have any trouble with it at all. In fact, the latest ATI (Proprietary) drivers are not that bad either, but since I don't need 3D for anything on this system I haven't setup that driver. For the record, I've had nothing but crap experiences with NVidia's cards in linux (and windows) and will not buy another NVidia card. So it's all a matter of personal preference. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 64bit or 32bit for my laptop
David Hláčik wrote: > Hi guys, > > sorry for opening this neverending story again. > > I am about to reinstall Fedora 10 on my laptop. > > Asus F3Sr, ATI, 230GB disk 5400rpm, Intel Core Duo T5550 @1,83Ghz, 4GB > DDR2 Ram > > I was using all the time only 32bit version here all the time (with > kernel-pae). > My question is , should I go with 64bit? Will this sacrifice me ;)? > > What I am using NB for? > > Pyton, PHP, XML , XHTML development in Netbeans. I am using apache, for > that. > Virtualization with VMware Workstation (For Windows XP). > > Thanks, and best regards, > > David I think the 64-bit will be fine. I run it on my Athlon 64 with 4GB RAM and I don't have trouble with it. I find the performance compiling is better, since I do a lot of that. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Belkin ExpressCard
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 18:05 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: > On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:02:21 +0100 > Alex Makhlin wrote: > > > I am running Fedora 10 KDE 2 and am trying to install an N Wireless > > ExpressCard PCIMCIA adapter (M:F5D8073) but I cannot find a driver > > anywhere. Any one have a clue? > > The last time I checked (a few weeks ago) "N" wireless cards were not yet > supported under Linux. > > -- > MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com > Just a suggestion: You could, if you have the Windows drivers, set up ndiswrapper. -- Mark C. Allman, PMP -- Allman Professional Consulting, Inc. -- www.allmanpc.com, 617-947-4263 Consulting IT Project/Program Management: on-time, on-budget signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
Linuxguy123 wrote: > I'm wondering if Evolution might be throwing out emails that it > shouldn't be. > > I use Evolution in F10 to manage my emails. > > I have a number of different email accounts for various purposes. I > have filters set up to sort my incoming emails into about 20 different > folders, based on the sender. If an email doesn't match any of the > filters, it ends up in my general inbox. > > I haven't received any 3rd party email in my inbox since Thursday at > noon. This is highly unusual. > > I sent myself a test email yesterday from one of my accounts and > it correctly ended up in my inbox. But no other emails have ended up > there and I suspect that some should be. I just got a phone call from > a guy that claims he sent me 4 emails and they aren't in my inbox, nor > the junk or trash folders. > > Furthermore, when I do a Send/Receive in Evolution, it states it is > getting emails for an account that is never filtered and yet none of > those emails are showing up in my inbox folder. > > How would I verify that Evolution isn't throwing away some of my > emails ? > > Thanks > > > Is it possible Evo simply isn't getting the mails from that account (the one mentioned that is unfiltered)? It could be a corrupt message hanging the queue on that account and Evo isn't letting you know it's not actually getting mail from it. Typically, I log into mail from the command line when I suspect that, but setting up Tbird as a test (and leaving the messages on the server if you don't want to leave them in TBird) would work just as well. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
No IP4 address after NetworkManager update
Yesterday's updates included: Mar 09 09:44:45 Updated: 1:NetworkManager-glib-0.7.0.99-1.fc10.i386 Mar 09 09:44:50 Updated: 1:NetworkManager-0.7.0.99-1.fc10.i386 On booting this morning, NetworkManager fails to bring up eth0 completely - it gets an IPV6 address, but no IP4, and my router can't see the box. # ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:40:63:DE:56:FF inet6 addr: fe80::240:63ff:fede:56ff/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:13 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:6 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:988 (988.0 b) TX bytes:468 (468.0 b) Interrupt:10 Base address:0xa000 Stopping NetworkManager, starting network and manually bringing up eth0 doesn't work either. There are logged warnings from NetworkManager regarding udevadm: Mar 10 07:17:04 localhost NetworkManager: udevadm_get_modem_capabilities(): could not run udevadm to get modem capabilities for '/sys/devices/pnp0/00:09/tty/ttyS1': Failed to execute child process "/sbin/udevadm" (Permission denied) Mar 10 07:17:04 localhost NetworkManager: udevadm_get_modem_capabilities(): could not run udevadm to get modem capabilities for '/sys/devices/pnp0/00:08/tty/ttyS0': Failed to execute child process "/sbin/udevadm" (Permission denied) Relevant part of /var/log/messages here: http://pastebin.com/m148fb6bf These are also in the audit.log. Tried a boottime SELinux relabel and switching to permissive mode, but no difference there. Any ideas? -- Mark Knoop -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Setting up a home wireless server.
James Allsopp wrote: > How would you go about setting up the routing, and would that get in the > way of, for instance, if I want to ssh into my router from the internal > network and opposed to going right through onto the internet. > > Seems there's three ways to do this from what I can find, > i.) Set up a bridging device > ii.) Use Iptables (but which, via SNAT or MASQUERADE) > iii.) Use routing tables? > > What are the pro's and con's of these approaches. > Cheers, > Jim > Here my 2 cents on this. Routing is much easier to setup than masquerading and requires fewer CPU cycles on the server. Basically I have 2 networks wired (192.168.2.x) and wireless (192.168.3.x). My server had a wired and a wireless connection. The wireless end I use as the default gateway for the wireless traffic. I setup routes between the server and the 'wired' network along with the internet. It's really not any more complicated than that. >From that point I use squid as the proxy on the server to manage access from the wireless connections my daughters have. As for the other methods, I have used them but find it a little harder to maintain the IPtables stuff than it is for a couple static routes. As for your ssh question, I'm not sure I completely understand your problem. I can ssh into my router from anywhere on the network. Are you worried the network segregation is going to prevent the wireless side from accessing the wired side, in my case no. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Setting up a home wireless server.
James Allsopp wrote: > hi, > I'm setting up a wireless access point and I've got the laptop to > connect to the server, and dhcp working, but I can't get the firewall to > forward packets to the outside wall. I've seen some people setting up a > bridging device, but before I've done it using iptables. Is one of these > methods better, deprecated or just different? > > I'm using the iptables script described here; > http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial.html#INCLUDERCFIREWALL > > the forward part is here > $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $LAN_IFACE -j ACCEPT > $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT > $IPTABLES -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $INET_IFACE -j SNAT --to-source $INET_IP > > But there doesn't seem to be anything to redirect the return packets or > to tell it which interface the outbound packets should be on. > > It says in the tutorial masquerade should be avoided due to the extra > CPU, any comments? > > Thanks, > Jim > Honestly, I've never used IPtables for that, I've always made my server just act like a router and input static routes between wireless and wired networks. But then maybe my case is special, I route all my wireless packets through my server (and squid) so that I can filter what my kids get to on the internet. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora/Ubuntu Problems
GERALD HOOPER wrote: > Hi Group > I had to abandon installing Fedora because it was taking up too much > space on my hard drive. Instead I installed Ubuntu 7.1 Gutsy Gibbon > which took up much less space. > I have had a problem with this updated version of Ubuntu however in that > the Email system Evolution kept putting additional characters into my > address on my broadband server at ntlworld.com which is run by Vergin > Media through a cable connection to my home. I could not uninstall the > Evolution Package because it seems to be an essential component of > Ubuntu. I overcame my email problems by installing Mozilla Thunderbird > which seems to be working OK and allows me to both send and receive mail > > Gerry Hooper > ghp...@ntlworld.com > So, your point? -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Tools to work with a Sansa
Robert Moskowitz wrote: > I just got a Sansa 4Gb Connect MP3. This is audio and video. > > I am running FC10 and Gnome on an Asus 701. > > I plug the sansa in with its special USB cable and I show a USB device > but it is not accessable. > > I have tried to add the Disk Mounter tool to the panel, but when I click > on add, nothing happens. > > So perhaps multiple things are going wrong here. > > But what tool would I use to move music, pics, and videos to the Sansa? > > I have a 16GB View and for mine to be seen as a regular flash drive (MTP mode) I have to turn it on, put it in HOLD and hold the wheel to the left as I plug it in. There is a FW update that's supposed to add that as an option, but it's not out yet. If there is no USB mode option in the menu on that one, I suspect you'll have to do something similar. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: KDE 4.2 requires local MySQL Server
Arthur Pemberton wrote: > > > If a component you want requires a resource, it is, by definition, > necessary. Or are you using an alternate definition of necessary. No, that works for me, however, the OP mentions KDE4.2 /requiring/ MySQL. And, no it does not require it for every instance. But yes if it is a component you want, it is necessary. But that's splitting hairs. KDE4.2 runs just fine without akonadi, therefor it does not require MySQL. If for whatever reason 4.2 would NOT run fine without MySQL, then I'd agree with you. To me, akonadi is useless and a waste of resources, much like Beagle is on GNOME. But then, to me GNOME is a waste of resources. I'd like to speak to the goon decided on GNOME's latest interface. If anything, GNOME is Linux Vista. It's poorly designed and with no thoughts to whether the end user finds it usable or not. > > As an uninformed observer, the requirement of mysql-server seems over > kill, but it's a 21MB download that only consumes as much resources as > is required at any one time. > -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: KDE 4.2 requires local MySQL Server
Martín Marqués wrote: > 2009/2/16 Mark Haney : >> Martín Marqués wrote: >>> 2009/2/16 Arthur Pemberton : >>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Martín Marqués >>>> wrote: >>>>> IMHO, this is the beginning of the end of KDE >>>> Because some portions of it require a free database engine? Seriously? >>> Not becuase of that. Because it's starting to use resources which are >>> totally unnecesary. It's starting to look like the Linux Vista: Nice, >>> but useless. >>> >> What part of KDE requires MySQL server? None that I am aware of. But >> then I build my own from source and not rely on these asinine package >> dependencies from binary packages. There are NO KDE components that >> /require/ MySQL. You can' specify database support, but it's not required. > > Please, enlight me. How can akonadi work without a mysql instance? > > http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/PIM/Akonadi#Which_DBMS_does_Akonadi_use.3F > > BTW, is there a way to disable akonadi and still work with KDE destop? > And yes akonadi does require MySWL, but KDE 4.2 does NOT require akonadi. So my point is still very valid. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: KDE 4.2 requires local MySQL Server
Martín Marqués wrote: > 2009/2/16 Mark Haney : >> Martín Marqués wrote: >>> 2009/2/16 Arthur Pemberton : >>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Martín Marqués >>>> wrote: >>>>> IMHO, this is the beginning of the end of KDE >>>> Because some portions of it require a free database engine? Seriously? >>> Not becuase of that. Because it's starting to use resources which are >>> totally unnecesary. It's starting to look like the Linux Vista: Nice, >>> but useless. >>> >> What part of KDE requires MySQL server? None that I am aware of. But >> then I build my own from source and not rely on these asinine package >> dependencies from binary packages. There are NO KDE components that >> /require/ MySQL. You can' specify database support, but it's not required. > > Please, enlight me. How can akonadi work without a mysql instance? > > http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/PIM/Akonadi#Which_DBMS_does_Akonadi_use.3F > > BTW, is there a way to disable akonadi and still work with KDE destop? > Of course. I don't run akonadi server at all. And it works just fine. As for all the comments about KDE being 'Vista' I'd like to point out that GNOME uses Beagle (if I recall) which is very similar to Akonadi. GNOME's latest releases suck so bad I will never go back. KDE 4.2 is the best version of KDE4 and is simply amazing. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: KDE 4.2 requires local MySQL Server
Martín Marqués wrote: > 2009/2/16 Arthur Pemberton : >> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Martín Marqués >> wrote: >>> IMHO, this is the beginning of the end of KDE >> Because some portions of it require a free database engine? Seriously? > > Not becuase of that. Because it's starting to use resources which are > totally unnecesary. It's starting to look like the Linux Vista: Nice, > but useless. > What part of KDE requires MySQL server? None that I am aware of. But then I build my own from source and not rely on these asinine package dependencies from binary packages. There are NO KDE components that /require/ MySQL. You can' specify database support, but it's not required. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox RunningSlow in Linux)
Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: >> This same posting was on the fedora-test list first[1] and I've run my own >> tests. I suggest you do your own. Fedora Firefox is sloow. > > I think the more correct thing to say is that the linux version of > Firefox is slow. From my reading this is not a Fedora specific > problem... the mozilla builds are equally affected. This could be a > real problem for all linux distributors that needs to be addressed in > the upstream firefox codebase. > > -jef > I think I"m going to run some of my own benchmarks on my Gentoo box since I see no difference between FF on linux and on Windows. (I have dual boot.) I don't see any appreciable difference in either OS, javascript or otherwise. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fc, fc, fc, fc?
Craig White wrote: > > Well, I learned a new word today (Bryn's misspell easily forgiven)... > > backronym > > n. [portmanteau of back + acronym] A word interpreted as an acronym that > was not originally so intended. This is a special case of what linguists > call `back formation'. > > Craig > You simply can't beat a football reference in a Fedora post on linguistics. :) -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q's for senior fedora/redhat admins
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 11:37 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> la...@ausics.net wrote: >>> Thank you for your reply, you're the only @fedora poster I see so I only >>> read and respond to you,as you represent officialness, >> Paul W. Frields is the *Fedora Project Leader*, you idiot! > > She already said she's only reading replies from "offical" domains, so I > think we're wasting our time here. > > poc > Yeah we are. This chick is crazy. Beyond crazy. I've migrated more people to Fedora than Ubuntu in my days. And all away from Windows. Her cluelessness about this astonishes me. Hope she has fun with that. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!
Jay Mistry wrote: > > >> Speaking about incompatibility, isn't the only guarantee is that a >> kernel at the same level, regardless of distribution, will function exactly >> the same?! If you want to move from, say, KDE3 to KDE4 you have to upgrade >> your system because drivers and libraries are hardly ever forward >> compatible. If you want to move from the ext3 to the ext4 file system you >> must upgrade your system?! >> >> So, what this person is saying is that - I'm going to stop using Fedora >> because it's constantly moving forward and I want to live in the past! >> >> Thanks, >> Gene Poole > > There may be a point there, considering that Fedora 10 will not have > KDE 3.5.x and the instability of KDE 4.2 (most related to > plasmoid/plasma component). Many users of KDE would like to work with > KDE 3.5.x, until the 4.2 release becomes more stable/mature. > > Jay KDE 4.2 is very stable for me. I've found, however, that using r1 of Qt 4.4.2 has some issues with KDE4.2. But, using the latest release of Qt4.4.2 fixes all of that. Mine has been rock solid since the release. But then, I built mine from source instead of the RPMs. I will still say KDE4.2 is damn good and more useful (to me anyway) than GNOME. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!
Gene Poole wrote: > It seems that in some ways this list may have lost it's focus. > > If I'm wrong, please correct me. Isn't Fedora here to explore the latest > and greatest? If this is true, at some point two releases a year might not > be enough based upon advancements. > > If someone is expecting a relative distro without change and they don't > want to pay the support costs, they should stick with CentOS or Ubuntu TLS > - correct? Speaking about incompatibility, isn't the only guarantee is > that a kernel at the same level, regardless of distribution, will function > exactly the same?! If you want to move from, say, KDE3 to KDE4 you have to > upgrade your system because drivers and libraries are hardly ever forward > compatible. If you want to move from the ext3 to the ext4 file system you > must upgrade your system?! > > So, what this person is saying is that - I'm going to stop using Fedora > because it's constantly moving forward and I want to live in the past! > > Thanks, > Gene Poole > > I do tend to agree here. It sounds to me like a case of 'upgrade fatigue'. I think we've all been there. You get something working the way you want it and then something new comes along. Do you A) upgrade and hope for the best? or B) Stay where you are knowing it'll work the way you like. I think a lot of the answer to that question comes from previous experiences. If the OP has been bitten by various 'hiccups' that come from upgrades enough times, he'll be very conservative. If not, then he may think, it'll work just fine, it has in the past, and do the upgrade. For some people it seems that a new Fedora version is released and virtually immediately after all the kinks are worked out of that version, a new one is released. I can certainly see that causing this kind of post. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: collective nouns (was: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)
Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:05:11 + > "Sharpe, Sam J" wrote: > >> Ian Malone wrote: >>> 2009/2/12 Armin : >>>>> Obviously the OP didn't understand that we Fedoraites (is that a >>>>> word?) >>>> it's actually 'Fedorian' I believe! >>>> >>> I'd like it a little shorter and go for 'Fedoran'. >>> >> I've heard bigger is supposed to be better: Fedoristas >> >> (and it has that Spanish Bullfighter sound to it) >> >> -- >> Sam >> > > I'll see your Fedoristas and raise it two letters: Fedoraphiles > > -- cmg > How about Fedoranatics? -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Feature Proposal: Rolling Updates (was Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)
Bill Davidsen wrote: > Mark Haney wrote: >> Bill Davidsen wrote: >>> Mark Haney wrote: >>>> Alan Evans wrote: >>>> No, I don't understandably say it's too bleeding edge. I didn't say >>>> that at all. But, I don't mind testing packages. >>>>> Fine. So packages in rawhide should be moved continuously into updates >>>>> as each is found worthy of general use? But how? If by the time the >>>>> kinks are worked out, the new package requires libfoo.9, then libfoo.9 >>>>> will be updated to replace the libfoo.7 that's in updates. Now >>>>> everything that required libfoo.7 also has to be moved into updates. >>>>> But what if the kinks haven't yet been worked out of those programs? >>>>> And even if they were, one of those programs may now require >>>>> libbar.65, which forces that to replace libbar.56. This doesn't have >>>>> to go very far before it's not considerably different than making a >>>>> formal release. We've gained nothing, and the whole system is probably >>>>> much less stable. >>>> See, that's my point. There is no difference between 'yum update' and >>>> 'emerge -upD world' when you think about it. When you update Fedora >>>> between release cycles, you're technically upgrading the system to a >>>> new >>>> version. Whether it be a major or minor version is irrelevant for the >>>> point of this argument. If the update to a package is not just a >>>> security update, but an /upgrade/ to a newer version, the OS is >>>> upgraded. And let's not get into semantics here. >>>> >>> No, this isn't semantics, there are four things involved here, not two: >>> - the OS is really just the kernel. In general you can update that >>> without breaking everything. But if ACPI or similar changes, then >>> some apps or scripts may fail. >> >> Really? Oh no, I thought we covered that several threads up. The >> kernel is understood. No one is questioning that and for the most part >> I was NOT talking about the kernel. I hate repeating myself. >> >>> - applications. Changes and upgrades to one application can be made >>> freely, since they don't impact other things. Unless, of course, they >>> need a change in... >>> - libraries. Changing a library means you have to control every >>> application >>> which uses the library. Since that may include user applications, non- >>> Fedora applications, commercial databases, etc, that means that >>> there is >>> a very high chance of breaking things if a library is upgraded (as >>> opposed >>> to bug fixes, and other changes which don't change the API or >>> behavior). >> >> Again, I am well aware of libraries. But Fedora handles library updates >> just fine 'between releases' so what's your point exactly? To me >> updates that are done to a system say, between F9 and F10 are nothing >> more than rolling updates. Is this not so from any standpoint? And if >> not, explain to me how it's not? During ANY update you do on your F10 >> system libraries are affected. So I see no difference doing continuous >> updates this way and the current method Fedora uses with updates to a >> 'version' between releases. >> > Maybe someone else can explain this to you, you obviously read what I > wrote (maybe) and didn't have a clue of the implications. If you update > just *one* application which requires an upgrade (which is not totally > 100% compatible with the previous version) of a library, you break every > application which needed the old library as it was. And the only way to > fix that is to upgrade every application which uses the library, and > every script which might break using the new versions of the > applications... and stuff you wrote, or compiled, of downloaded may also > break. That's why some things are not done by rolling update, because > replacing dozens of applications and libraries, and potentially breaking > other stuff on your system, is going to cause more problems than it solves. I understand about libraries. What part of that don't you get? I'm not getting into a flame war here. Fedora upgrades libraries all the time, correct? Yes. And how does it handle those library upgrades? It seems to handle them very well. So, all that effort into that paragraph went for nothing. Libraries HAVE to be upgraded.
Re: Feature Proposal: Rolling Updates (was Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)
Alan Evans wrote: > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:08 AM, Mark Haney wrote: >> Alan Evans wrote: >>> As I understand it, Gentoo doesn't suffer this because each user is >>> compiling their own package sets. Updating libfoo doesn't require >>> recursively redownloading every package that requires it because the >>> user already has the source to those programs. He just needs to >>> recompile them. >> Explain to me how doing an update in Fedora requires the same method? > > I'm not sure I understood this question. > >> If I update package 'appfoo' that requires 'libfoo' there's no >> difference between downloading and reinstalling the libfoo RPM along >> with the new version of 'appfoo' than it is recompiling libfoo in >> gentoo. I /still/ have to download the source code to recompile it, >> unless I just happen to have that source (and it's not be updated) >> sitting in my portage cache. The idea is the same, just a slightly >> different mechanism. And with delta packages, this would be a cinch I >> would think. > > But what about appbar that also requires libfoo? Unless I'm > misunderstanding how Gentoo works (which is possible), you don't need > to redownload appbar because libfoo was updated. You only need to > recompile appbar after updating libfoo. Not exactly. If libfoo gets updated you must rebuild appfoo against the new libraries. And, unless you have the source tarball cached on the system (which portage does cache but like cleaning up yum doesn't keep everything) you will need to download the source again and recompile. > > This means that appbar on your machine is different than appbar on my > machine because each is compiled against a different set of libraries. > This is not a big deal since each machine is internally consistent. No, it's not different than on yours unless you've not updated to 'libfoo'. There /is/ one caveat though. It's entirely likely your binary will be different from mine in Gentoo. Since Gentoo compiles everything from source (there are binary packages available as well) you can control all your compile time options. I streamline mine for KDE and floating point operations, but yours might be for GNOME. Etc. In that case, each Gentoo system is different unless both systems have the exact same compile options. > But with a binary distro, the repository must be internally > consistent. This means that if a single package (even one I don't have > on my machine) requires a new libfoo then I have to update every > package on my machine that touches, even indirectly, libfoo, because > libfoo was updated in the repository, which caused apps that I do have > installed to be updated just to be compatible with the updated libfoo. Yes, and? How's that any different from the way Gentoo does it? I still have to update all my packages that use that library same as you do. It's just a different way to skin that cat. > > -Alan > > (As I said, I might be wrong about how Gentoo works. But if you don't > keep source for installed packages handy for recompilation when libs > get updated then I wonder what is the point of Gentoo at all, unless > it's just the warm fuzzies of knowing that your binaries are compiled > against your particular arch.) > I keep binary packages of stuff I update just in case. But I like Gentoo because I don't need my binaries built with GNOME support since I'm KDE only. I also only build for one media player, no LDAP support, etc. It cuts down on the clutter and makes for much smaller binaries and the number of libraries I have to manage. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
