Re: Cairo-dock kills my Box
On Thursday 07 January 2010 23:21:53 jim wrote: I had cairo-dock installed, but I removed it and now I got problems with libcairo.so.2 . The libcairo.so.2 library is part of the cairo package (a 2D graphics library), and has nothing whatsoever to do with cairo-dock (an eye-candy dock). Instead of removing cairo-dock, you probably removed the cairo package. So you probably broke the system yourself. My guess is that a yum install cairo will fix your issues. How exactly did you try to remove cairo-dock? What command did you use? HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora core 12 with dual head and kde
On Friday 08 January 2010 18:28:11 Paul Campbell wrote: On 01/08/2010 09:53 AM, Andrew Parker wrote: On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:22 AM, Wolfgang Leideck how can I configure KDE to spread the desktop over two monitors. I'm using a Dell Optiplex 760. Can xrandr help you out? I get the same problem, but xrandr works for me. Can you explain how you use xrandr so that it works for you (parameters, options ? ) If you type just xrandr, it will display relevant info about your setup, among other things available outputs and their status (connected/disconnected, etc.). On my laptop there are three outputs, named LVDS1, VGA1 and TV1. Depending on your graphics card(s) you may have more and they may be named differently. Once you have found out the names of relevant outputs, you can do something like: xrandr --output LVDS1 --auto --output VGA1 --auto --right-of LVDS1 This puts my laptop screen (LVDS1) in its native resolution (1280x800) as the left screen, and my external monitor (VGA1) in its native resolution (1680x1050) as the right screen. That's basically what you need. There are a lot more options to play around with. For example you may wish to put both monitors in the same resolution (provided that it is supported by both monitors) --- just add a --mode 1024x768 instead of --auto in both places above. Or you may wish to rotate the VGA1 output upside-down (add --rotate inverted after the VGA1 output). And so on... Finally, you may wish to read man xrandr, paying most attention to version 1.2 options, as they are most commonly used (AFAIK). HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Cairo-Dock ??
On Thursday 07 January 2010 18:34:50 Jim wrote: FC12/Kde How do you make the Height of Cairo-Dock Smaller ? I have been all over the configure settings and can't find how to make Height smaller (top to bottom) The height is determined by the icon sizes. Main configuration window - Appearance - Icons - Icons size. There you can adjust width and height for launchers, applications and applets. If you reduce height for all of them (and width if you want to keep things proportional), the overall height of the dock should be smaller. You may also wish to adjust the maximum zoom parameter in the Zoom Effect section. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Recover Root Password on FC 11 and Missing GRUB Screen
On Tuesday 05 January 2010 08:15:12 Hosea Phiri wrote: I have a client who lost root password for his machine running FC 11. I made an attempt to recover password by booting in single mode. I am familiar with editing the GRUB boot menu and appending linux single to make the server boot in sigle mode. My surprise, the machines boots differently. I noticed one major thing that looked different from other versions of Fedora I have used before. It does not bring up the Grub menu. It does not even show the services startup. It goes straight into login prompt bypassing all other stages which I guess run from background. As far as I see from your description, this is proper behavior. In single user mode the services do not start and you are dropped into a root shell immediately. Nothing wrong with that. And AFAIK, this has been like that for some time now. Just do a passwd to set up the new root password, and reboot the machine in regular multiuser mode. Or are there some problems with this? HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: problems with system-config-display and crtl-alt-backspace
On Tuesday 05 January 2010 05:00:02 Paul Allen Newell wrote: Ed Greshko wrote: Robert Moskowitz wrote: And I cannot get my notebook to even go over 800x600 for the internal display without using system-config-display to create a xorg.conf to get higher resolution with FC12. How do I convince X to give me more without the xorg.conf? BTW, this is on an HP nc2400 that has a 12 display, but I have always run it at 1024x768. When you run system-config-display what shows as Hardware---Monitor Type. I had, what I believe, was a similar problem. Setting it to Generic LCD Display---LCD Panel (with native resolution of my notebook) fix my issue. But doesn't the execution of system-config-display generate an xorg.conf, which is what I know I am trying to avoid (and I think Robert from his additions)? Sorry to jump in this thread, but have you tried to use xrandr to set up the resolution you want? That way you don't need to generate xorg.conf, and can convince X to give you any resolution you want (if supported by hardware). HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Recover Root Password on FC 11 and Missing GRUB Screen
On Tuesday 05 January 2010 12:01:10 Hosea Phiri wrote: Possibly my explanation was not clear enough. What I meant was that I know how to do it using single user mode by editing grub entry. But on this specific machine, I cannot use the approach because I am not getting grub menu. Ah, well, for that you probably need to adjust the timeout parameter in /boot/grub/grub.conf, and maybe hiddenmenu and such. Of course, you need to have root permissions to do that, so in that case the simplest solution is to use the rescue CD/DVD to fix the grub.conf and get the grub menu back. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Recover Root Password on FC 11 and Missing GRUB Screen
On Tuesday 05 January 2010 11:18:53 Tim wrote: On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 00:15 -0800, Hosea Phiri wrote: I have a client who lost root password for his machine running FC 11. I made an attempt to recover password by booting in single mode. I am familiar with editing the GRUB boot menu and appending linux single to make the server boot in sigle mode. My surprise, the machines boots differently. I noticed one major thing that looked different from other versions of Fedora I have used before. It does not bring up the Grub menu. It does not even show the services startup. It goes straight into login prompt bypassing all other stages which I guess run from background. That is normal. And if you don't want unauthorised people to be able to do the same thing, you need to take some steps to make it difficult: Set the BIOS so it will only boot from the hard drive, ignoring floppies, CD-ROMs, and drives plugged into USB ports. Password protect the BIOS so nobody can change the above options. Password protect the GRUB menu, so you cannot change boot options without typing in a password. And weld the box shut, chain it to the floor, and put two policemen in the room 24/7. ;-) With those steps someone has to crack your password, or remove the hard drive from the computer. Or reset the CMOS. Disconnecting the power and CMOS battery typically resets all bios passwords. Also, on modern motherboards there is usually a jumper provided for this purpose. After bios gets accessible, a rescue CD is enough to give full access. If an intruder has physical access to the hardware, nothing can stop him from compromising the machine, in principle. Data (or hard drive) encryption is the only measure which provides sane amount of security for data, if done properly. ;-) Except if you live in USA, where it is illegal to use strong encryption algorithms (or so I hear)... Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Using xandr -- Re: problems with system-config-display and crtl-alt-backspace
On Tuesday 05 January 2010 14:21:19 Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 01/05/2010 05:39 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: Sorry to jump in this thread, but have you tried to use xrandr to set up the resolution you want? That way you don't need to generate xorg.conf, and can convince X to give you any resolution you want (if supported by hardware). OK. So I have seen this mention of xandr before so I did a man on it. Here is what I see from just xandr and with the xorg.conf: Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 4096 x 4096 LVDS1 connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 261mm x 163mm 1024x768 60.0*+ 1280x800 59.8 + 800x600 60.3 56.2 640x480 59.9 This looks ok, if you are satisfied with 1024x768 for the laptop display. I see it is possible for it to do 1280x800, which is its 'native' resolution, I guess. VGA1 connected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 800x600 60.3 56.2 640x480 59.9 This doesn't look ok. Only these two low resolutions are available for the external display, and AFAIK this is always available by assumption. But the resolutions of your monitor are not autodetected properly. What kind of monitor do you have connected to VGA? If you are sure it can do 1024x768, then something is not well with EDID detection. Can you post the /var/log/Xorg.0.log, after booting with external monitor connected? There should be some info there on what resolutions get autodetected for external monitor (and if not, why not). Do you have something physically connected between the monitor and computer? A KVM switch, a splitter, maybe a faulty VGA extension cable, or such? Or the monitor is too old and doesn't provide EDID data? Forces to use a 1024x768 mode on an output called VGA: xrandr --newmode 1024x768 63.50 1024 1072 1176 1328 768 771 775 798 -hsync +vsync xrandr --addmode VGA 1024x768 xrandr --output VGA --mode 1024x768 Umm, that should be VGA1, not VGA. Normally there is no need to specify the modeline manually, so the last command only should be enough. But it appears your monitor doesn't get detected properly, so manually specifying the modeline may be the only solution. This is of course easier to put in xorg.conf. Also, what kind of setup would you like to have? Do you want cloned or independent displays? Which goes on the left and which on the right? What resolutions? This is REALLY better than xorg.conf? In what way? Ok, I said I jumped in on this thread, maybe I missed something. What are your reasons against using xorg.conf in the first place? The difference between xorg.conf and xrandr is that the former is being used at boot, while the latter is targeted for interactive use. It is also a bit easier on the syntax (if your displays are detected correctly). If you have some specific reason for not using xorg.conf, you can experiment with various xrandr setups, and once you are satisfied, put the resulting command in a script somewhere to be executed on login or such. Post the output of /var/log/Xorg.0.log, so we can see what is the problem with autodetection of the external display, and your desired configuration, and then we'll see what is the best way to fix it. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: i686 packages in my Fedora 12 x86_64
On Tuesday 05 January 2010 19:44:25 Germán A. Racca wrote: Hi all: I have freshly installed Fedora 12 x86_64 in my PC 2 weeks ago. Now I see that I have some (49) packages in both i686 and x86_64 architectures. The list is at the end of the message. What should I do? My guess is that you probably installed some package that needs i686 libs. You can try to yum remove them, and see what is to be removed as a dependency. Hopefully it will give you a clue why they are there. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: no sound with real play on fedora 12
On Tuesday 05 January 2010 18:27:03 Ralph Blach wrote: I have a fedor 12 x86_64 installion with and it is almost working perfectly. Skype works, with a little help from google, and everything pretty much works. the 32 bit wrapped flash play works, and mozplugger works. I believe it is preferred to use the native 64bit flash, rather than 32bit wrapped. For me at least it works much better. When I installed the lastest realplayer the video works great but no sound comes out. I get the message, ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1010:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave I am sure this is a library issue. Does anybody have any suggestions? I think the issue is that realpayer does not support pulseaudio yet. You may want to nag the realplayer developers about it, if they are willing to listen (which I doubt). Otherwise, I suggest to use some alternative player to play those files. I know mplayer can do it, probably some others can also. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: yum update question
On Monday 04 January 2010 08:15:13 Paul Allen Newell wrote: Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Monday 04 January 2010 05:50:54 Paul Allen Newell wrote: [...] Installing: kernal-PAE-2.6.31.9-174.fc12.i686 W: Possible missing firmware ql8100_fw.bin for module qla2xxx.lo W: Possible missing firmware aic94xx-seq_fw.bin for module aic94xx.lo [...] Did you also get the message like: Processing delta metadata /boot/initramfs-2.6.31.5-127.fc12.x86_64.img: contents have been changed delta does not match installed data Let me check the log tomorrow ... your delta doesn't match sounds familiar and, if such is the case, I will attach myself to the bugzilla you provided I am not sure where is this message logged, but definitely not in yum.log, as I didn't find it there later on when I looked up again. I also don't know where those kernel warnings were logged, if at all... :-) But anyway, there is no need to attach yourself to that bugzilla, just read it to understand what is happening. There is a particular link to the codemonkeys.org website with more clearer explanation. In a nutshell, it's just deltarpm and kernel rpm confusing each other about how big the initramfs.img file should be. And it just so happens that those firmware modules happen to reside in that file, so during the kernel installation you get the warning that they might get missing. But this never happens, because the kernel has those modules already, and just needs to recreate the initramfs, which happens automatically. So nothing to worry about. ;-) Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problems ripping DVDs I legally own to my media server
On Tuesday 05 January 2010 00:59:36 Ian Pilcher wrote: On 01/04/2010 01:11 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: If I want to copy the DVD, I usually use dd to create an .iso file. How do you do that with a CSS-encrypted DVD? I don't. I rip those using mencoder. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problems ripping DVDs I legally own to my media server
On Monday 04 January 2010 04:29:37 Thomas Cameron wrote: To make clear - I am only doing this with DVDs I legally own. I always understood all this DVD ownership thing in the following way --- you own the disk itself (the hardware media, the cheap part), and you own the right to play it in your home (the expensive part). But you don't own the data on the disk (I guess that would be 8-digit expensive), and therefore are not allowed to make copies of it, even for yourself. I am not sure that this interpretation is correct, but you may want to reread and rethink the copyright clause of your DVD's and understand more precisely what exactly you do own and what you do not own. That said, I perfectly understand the need to backup those DVD's. If movie companies would provide a service of replacing original but broken (or worn off) media with new ones, free of charge (or only for the cost of media), life would be much easier. But unfortunately, movie companies are greedy enough to require you to buy not only two copies of the media (cheap), but also two copies of the right to play it (expensive) when your media wears off. As a user, the only legitimate option you have is the illegal one --- to break the law and copy the data... :-) Specifically, I tried to rip Transformers 2 Revenge of the Fallen. It apparently has some new copy protection scheme where it reports that it is 80 gigs, and every method I tried to decrypt them under Linux failed. In principle, every movie that can be played back on a computer can be copied on a hard disk (think of capturing the screen on every frame). So the real question is --- can you *play* the damn thing in Linux? If you can do a mplayer dvd:// and are able to watch it, then you can use mencoder to rip it. If you are not comfortable with command line, there are various GUI's for various encoders out there that can make things easier. I wound up having to fire up my dusty old Windows box and use Ideal DVD Copy to rip them successfully (http://tinyurl.com/yg8269g). Do you want to rip the DVD or to copy it? These things are not quite the same. Making an exact copy of the DVD may not be so easy, if at all possible. The manufacturer may intentionally implement hardware errors in the media, with the idea to check if those errors are present during playback (thus determining if the copy is legal or not). Those things are not easy to reproduce. OTOH, ripping is the procedure of re-recording the data that is being played. Provided that you are able to play the movie at all, this can always be done. What, if anything, are you using to make legit backups of your newer, copy-protected DVDs under Linux? If I want to rip the movie, I use mencoder. And I tweak the custom detailed options for every particular movie in order to get the best rip. If I want to copy the DVD, I usually use dd to create an .iso file. While the .iso is on the hard disk, I always loop mount it and check if the movie is playable from there (ie that there are no nasty copy-protection schemes involved). If it is, good. If it is not, I try to understand why, tweak the dd options a little in order to get it right, etc. If I fail or tweaking takes too much time, I give up and rip the movie instead. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kde problems
On Sunday 03 January 2010 21:22:32 david walcroft wrote: I'm using fc12-86_64,my problem is when ever I logout/login or shut-down/reboot I lose kde,it will not start,only a blue screen. and no desktop.Sometimes I get the error 'cannot access /usr/bin/autorun: no such file or directory' so I cp -r /usr/bin/autorun from my backup and logout/login with no result. An install a while ago my sys. booted into a default desktop not my usual desktop,I found out that kde was not reading my ~/.kde file,I cp -r a copy from ~.kde.old ~.kde but on logging out/in the ~.kde file was over written.The only solution I've had is to reinstall the system. I've got no idea how to troubleshoot these problems.Help would be appreciated. Ok, how about this: create a new, dummy user, and log into that account (into KDE, of course). Check that everything is ok, logout, log back in. Is it the same? Do you still see the error message? If the dummy user works as expected, then something in your old settings in ~/.kde.old is making KDE unhappy. If the dummy user doesn't work, then there is some deeper problem and it needs troubleshooting. My idea would be to read the system and KDE log files, and look for errors and warnings. Or to switch to runlevel 3, do a startx, reproduce the error, read the output from the terminal. Or to do a strace or something, to see what app is trying to access /usr/bin/autorun. Incidentally, I don't have /usr/bin/autorun on my system, and it runs KDE just fine. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: yum update question
On Monday 04 January 2010 05:50:54 Paul Allen Newell wrote: While doing a yum update after an install from DVD, I noticed that I got the following message (this is a write it down and then retype into computer that has mail so I might have a typo: [...] Installing: kernal-PAE-2.6.31.9-174.fc12.i686 W: Possible missing firmware ql8100_fw.bin for module qla2xxx.lo W: Possible missing firmware aic94xx-seq_fw.bin for module aic94xx.lo [...] Did you also get the message like: Processing delta metadata /boot/initramfs-2.6.31.5-127.fc12.x86_64.img: contents have been changed delta does not match installed data or similar, somewhere in the early stages of the update process (before the actual installing of .rpm's)? If yes, then you have probably hit this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=544901 In short, those warnings are harmless and you are pretty safe to ignore them. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox KDE integration à la openSUSE
On Saturday 02 January 2010 16:58:08 Chris Smart wrote: 2010/1/2 Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au: Is there a description of what that actually means? A page of statuses gives no clue, but the name sounds like someone's trying to copy the Microsoft lunacy of integrating MSIE into the desktop. Firefox is GTK based which means it integrates into the GNOME/other GTK based environments nicely. It does not integrate nicely with Qt based desktops such as KDE, however. This hack makes Firefox use Qt based components rather than GTK for things like buttons, dialogs, etc, so that it is much more integrated into KDE. Saving a page, for example, brings up the usual KDE file manager. I believe Tim was asking something else. This is not a question of integrating the browser into the DE, but integrating the DE into the browser. What Microsoft does is to make the whole environment dependent on MSIE --- it is integrated in the sense that you cannot run your system without it (not properly, at least). This is, as Tim well put it, lunacy. What people at openSUSE do is what Chris said --- to adjust Firefox so that it becomes visually and functionally more similar to other KDE apps. It has nothing to do with making KDE dependent on Firefox. The browser is integrated in the sense that it looks more like a KDE app. It is adjusted to communicate better with other parts of DE, and to appear more similar. In that sense one can talk about integrating the DE into the browser, because the browser is being modified to blend into the DE in a nicer way. In principle, this is a good idea. In practice, I'm not sure how well it can be done and is it worth the effort. But I welcome the initiative, of course. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora Basic End User Rollout Support Operation
On Sunday 03 January 2010 00:12:03 Robert E. Martin, VCM Network wrote: I am somewhat confused. I thought that as an open sourced OS, it was a free license, which included the applications in the repositories. What am I missing? You are missing the distinction between official Fedora repositories and third party repositories. If you stick to the software present only in the official repositories, then yes, it's all ok, free, no problems with licenses, patents, etc... However, this also means that some otherwise typical desktop functionality will be missing --- no playing of .mp3 files and divx movies, among other things. This extra functionality can be enabled by installing software from third party repositories, such as rpmfusion and livna. But that also means that legality and licensing stuff will become problematic, depending on what exactly you have installed and what are the laws of the country you live in. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F12: KDE and PulseAudio latest update
On Friday 01 January 2010 21:35:05 Terry Barnaby wrote: On the second question, does the design of PulseAudio allow an application, on an application by application basis, to choose to use a specific input/output device ? If not I would consider this a major failing Of course, it wouldn't be of much use otherwise, right? :-) This is why it was written in the first place (among other reasons, like networked audio and such). I would have thought that PulseAudio would, in effect, publish all of the available Alsa audio devices along with default. An application would then connect to default by default which would use the standard PulseAudio configuration but could use any of the other devices including other pulseaudio servers over the network. Each of these devices would be handled by PulseAudio (ie sound would pass through PulseAudio to/from the device in question). Not completely sure, but the way I understand pulseaudio works is that it does *not* publish available Alsa devices to the application. If all the sound passes through the server, there is not much point for the app to know which device is going to be used for playing and recording. The app only sees pulseaudio input and output, and uses that. So which app uses which alsa devices is configured within pulseaudio (using pavucontrol), rather than in the app itself. This is not the question of available functionality, but rather where the controls reside. It is similar to the functionality of an X server --- once a new app is started and it tries to draw its own window on the screen, it is not up to this app to decide where exactly will the window be drawn, but rather it is up to the window manager. It's window may be moved around, minimized, maximized, covered by another one, on this or that desktop, etc., and all this is done transparently, without the app knowing much about it. The same thing is with audio server (of course, it's much simpler due to its nature) --- app talks to pulseaudio and says I want to play something and record something, and the pulseaudio is the one to decide what will be the actual source and sink used for each particular app. So just like when you want to move the window around you give instructions to the window manager and *not* the app itself, so also when you choose this or that audio source/sink you give instructions to pulseaudio and *not* the app itself. Finally, keep in mind that a proper audio server is there to enhance functionality, not to reduce it. :-) HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Installation plays hardball
On Friday 01 January 2010 19:31:07 BeartoothHOS wrote: I know Anaconda offers an option to *hide* LVM, but I don't recall any choice to eschew it entirely. Am I just having a memory lapse? Ehmm, during the installation, at some point Anaconda will ask you how you want the disk set up, and you can choose between various partition layouts: default, this, that, and --- custom. So choose to create custom layout, and use the GUI interface (is it called disk druid?) to create all the partitions you want manually. The type of each partition is at your disposal to choose --- ext#, fat, this, that, etc... Alternetively, you may create LVM volumes and partitions inside them. It's all there in the GUI, and it's completely configurable. Nothing is forced down on you, AFAIK. The only thing I miss is the ability to use old-school fdisk instead of disk druid, but over time I learned to trust it to do its job as well as fdisk. :-) HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Very BAD preupgrade experience.
On Wednesday 30 December 2009 13:43:20 Michael D. Setzer II wrote: Just had a bad experience with preupgrade. [snip] Preupgraded started find downloading files, but eventually came up with a message that it needed more space on /boot. [snip] It would have been nicer to get a message to either no do a preupgrade, or to have a way to resize the systems. Would have tired partimage, but it doesn't resize lvm, so that would be another problem. If you are using LVM, I would expect resizing partitions to be easy and painless, right? LVM was actually introduced precisely for this purpose, AFAIK. Once preupgrade complained it needs more space for /boot, I would use LVM tools to expand /boot accordingly, then start again. That said, please note that I never upgrade Fedora (always reformat and do a clean install), and that I don't use LVM (always manually create a custom bare-bones partition layout to suit my needs). IOW, I may not be the proper person to give the above advice. ;-) HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: small gripe -- for Fedora, or KDE, or ....?
On Wednesday 30 December 2009 18:26:53 BeartoothHOS wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:37:02 -0600, Rex Dieter wrote: It goes both ways. For example, Gnome doesn't support the GenericName part of the desktop-spec, whereas KDE in general doesn't offer Comment keys. I have no idea what that jargon refers to. Why are you throwing it at me? What does it have to do with the issue? Not that I am an expert, but I guess the GenericName and Comment are fields inside the app.desktop files that are used to provide the information such as description when you hover the pointer in the menu. There is a standardized specification for these, which both KDE and Gnome (and other DE's) should follow. So if I understood what Rex said, KDE fills in the description in the GenericName field, while Gnome prefers the Comment field. And all would be well if both KDE and Gnome would read the data from *both* fields and then decide which one to show to the user. But KDE disregards the Comment field, while Gnome disregards the GenericName field. If the other one happens to be empty, you have no description when you hover the pointer. Sad part is that GenericName isn't an optional part of the spec. Now, I understood this part as follows. The specification standard says that the Comment field is optional and may be left out (or left blank). So KDE does not do much wrong when disregarding this field. However GenericName field should be obligatory (per spec.) and Gnome *does* do wrong when it disregards it. So essentially, this is a bug in Gnome, and you should report it against Gnome. What is sad is the fact that Gnome does not follow the agreed spec. Btw, it is true that I happen to be one of those who despise and detest the Apple interface Finally, all this has absolutely nothing to do with Apple, AFAICS. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: small gripe -- for Fedora, or KDE, or ....?
On Tuesday 29 December 2009 15:53:36 Tom Horsley wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:36:37 + (UTC) BeartoothHOS wrote: Do they offer descriptions, which Fedora (a/o Fedora/Gnome) then suppresses?? To whom ought one address a request for them?? Just picking a couple at random, I see that fedora-inkscape has a batch of Comment entries in many different languages and kalarm does not have any Comment entries at all, so I'd tend to suspect that is the difference. When I open the KDE launcher, I typically see name (description) format for mostly all entries. Description is useful when you want to know what is xmms, while name is useful when you want to know _which_ audio player utility is going to be started when you click on the item. The actual format and behavior can be configured somewhere within the launcher settings, and I see that approx. 90% menu items have good, informative descriptions. For example, in the Utilities menu there is a KAlarm (Personal Alarm Scheduler) entry. So I would think that the problem is not why KDE devs do not provide descriptions, but rather why Gnome devs do not display them properly. I guess you should file a bug against Gnome launcher (or whatever they call it). HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Compiz -- Discussion
On Sunday 27 December 2009 22:24:34 Tim wrote: On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 23:57 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: Finally, there is one more very important thing to comment on. One notable misconception that is typically put forward by opponents of eye-candy is that all those effects take time to execute and thus slow you down when using the computer. This is *FUD* and *utter* *bullshit*. .[snip]. On today's modern hardware, all those compiz effects can be configured to be executed *faster* than any such human lag, so the system appears completely responsive while doing all that eye-candy stuff. Utter horseshit, I refute every single one of those claims. You'd have to be a slow person, in the first place, for the animated eye candy to not slow you down opening menus, and the like. I am not aware that there is any Compiz[-Fusion] module that deals with menus. If you point me to one, I guess I would probably be able to point you to some settings in that module that control animation speed. But this is just academic, AFAIK. My point was that animations in general can be made arbitrarily fast so that they don't get in your way. If you feel that anything is slowing you down, and there is no slider somewhere to speed it up, you can always disable that particular effect. What is certainly *not* true is the statement that *all* eye-candy effects necessarily slow you down. e.g. Open menu, instantly pick choice, Umm, that would be --- open menu, find the choice, navigate the mouse pointer to it, click on it. Now, it takes at least one second to navigate the mouse pointer to anything (of that size) on the screen. Ditto for arrow keys. So if you make the effect last for a 1/4 of a second, it will be over well before you reach the choice with the pointer. versus open menu, wait for effect to subside before you can even read menu, then pick choice. Oh, you are saying it takes time for the menu to be displayed so you can _read_ it? Sure, in that sense yes, it does slow you down --- it adds, say, additional 250ms (which should be configurable) to a typical 2-second operation (read, navigate, click). If this additional quarter of a second is too expensive, maybe you shouldn't be browsing the menus with a mouse in the first place? Using the menus is slow by definition. If you want speed, use hotkeys. That is, if you know the combination. If not, you are likely to be slow with the menu both with and without eye-candy stuff. The effects are *NOT* that quick that they add insubstantial delays. Every effect in Compiz that I ever tried (of course I haven't tried everything) had its speed configurable, instant (ie. no effect) being typically the fastest choice available. Further, most of the effects time can be configured up to a millisecond. So I would say each of them *can* be configured to be below anyone's personal threshold. If you find some effect whose speed cannot be configured, feel free to file a RFE against it, or just turn it off. But this is all aside of the main point. Eye-candy effects exist so that you can *enjoy* them, not to get on your nerves. I simply enjoy watching it happen, and sometimes I deliberately configure things to be slow. When I get bored of it, I speed animations up again or disable them completely. Think of it as a stress-relief utility. :-) It is decoration on the screen, much like pictures on the walls in your home. Its main point is to cheer you up and make you feel more pleasant when using a computer. If it gets on your nerves, don't use it. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Fedora] IBM Netfinity 5000 - SOLVED
On Monday 28 December 2009 00:50:00 Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: Jussi Lehtola wrote: You just should have added the SOLVED keyword to the subject a few days ago :) Actually, not quite. While the system is up and running just fine, with all updates and all, that doesn't solve the issue of those warnings received during the update process. That's why I didn't 'SOLVED' the subject. Those warnings don't seem to have any ill effect (to me), however I don't think it's ok either. So that why I was asking, is it something that needs to be addressed? Is it something I'm missing? Is it something with the update process? Is it something that's genuinely missing from the kernel? I don't know. As far as I recall, this is the artifact of the change in the policy of updating initramfs.img file while installing a new kernel. I forgot the actual bugzilla link (you can probably use google to find it), but the story goes more or less like this (I'm writing this from remaining memory of reading the bugzilla, might be way incorrect): The file initramfs.img is being generated on the fly by the kernel on boot, and is only declared to exist in the kernel's .rpm archive. Up to now, rpm would just create a dummy file of zero size and let the kernel fill it up later on reboot. But then, in some setups with a rather small /boot partition, it could happen that rpm checks for free space on /boot, finds it is big enough, installs the kernel, and when the time comes to grow the initramfs.img to its actual size, /boot runs out of space, and the update/upgrade fails *after* rpm finished and reported that all is ok. This has led to a lot of my /boot is big enough but upgrade still fails problems. So the maintainers decided to change the policy, and have rpm create a dummy file of some non-trivial default size in order to circumvent the issue above. But now the kernel rewrites it (and changes it's size appropriately) as usual, and when installing a new kernel rpm checks against its database and sees that someone has been tampering with the file. It issues a warning, deletes it and creates a new dummy. But then the running kernel sees that the file has been overwritten, and issues a warning that some modules might not be available anymore (those modules reside in the file, I guess...). That is, until the new kernel generates the contents of the file again on next boot. I am probably wrong about the details of this story, but what happens is something along those lines --- kernel and rpm confusing each other over that file during the update process. But the whole thing is completely benign, as the file itself is a dummy, and the kernel does not actually miss anything from it. That's how I understood the whole affair. IOW, you are probably safe to ignore those messages. They scared me too when I saw them during an ordinary yum update some time ago, so I googled out the bugzilla describing the above story, and essentially understood that those warnings are harmless. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Fedora] IBM Netfinity 5000 - SOLVED
On Monday 28 December 2009 02:07:55 Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Monday 28 December 2009 00:50:00 Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: Jussi Lehtola wrote: You just should have added the SOLVED keyword to the subject a few days ago :) Actually, not quite. While the system is up and running just fine, with all updates and all, that doesn't solve the issue of those warnings received during the update process. That's why I didn't 'SOLVED' the subject. Those warnings don't seem to have any ill effect (to me), however I don't think it's ok either. So that why I was asking, is it something that needs to be addressed? Is it something I'm missing? Is it something with the update process? Is it something that's genuinely missing from the kernel? I don't know. As far as I recall, this is the artifact of the change in the policy of updating initramfs.img file while installing a new kernel. I forgot the actual bugzilla link (you can probably use google to find it), but the story goes more or less like this (I'm writing this from remaining memory of reading the bugzilla, might be way incorrect): Ok, I found the actual bugzilla in my firefox history: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=544901 and a little better explanation here: http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/2009/12/10/annoying-kernel-packaging-bug/ Now, while there are no actual references here to the missing modules problem, I somehow understood (googling around) that those messages are the consequence of deltarpm failing to deal with the initramfs file correctly. You may be seeing a completely separate and unrelated issue, but I would bet that your case is the same as mine. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: wireless problem.
On Saturday 26 December 2009 15:08:42 Paolo Galtieri wrote: I also have wireless problems under F12. In my case the problem has to do with network strength. I have a laptop that dual boots Windows 7 and F12. Under Windows 7 I can see and connect to more wireless networks than I can under F12. In all cases that I have tried if the signal is low or poor F12 will never succeed in connecting, but W7 will. I have tried both the internal wireless (Intel 3945) and an external Linksys USB adapter. Even if the signal is good F12 will not report available wireless connections. I normally run F12 so if there is anything I can tweek on F12 to improve accessibility I would like to know. Do you read different signal strength for the *same* access point under Windows as compared to Fedora? Or do you see more access points available under Windows? Note, these are two different things. One possibility is that Windows is accessing wireless channels 12 and 13 which are disabled by default on Fedora, (these channels are illegal in US). Another is that signal strength is reduced (strong signals are illegal in EU). What is your location geographically? You might want to read up on what is allowed/available for your region, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels how to modify wireless behavior in Fedora, http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-list@redhat.com/msg58444.html and to understand what is going on in general: http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-list@redhat.com/msg58447.html HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Compiz -- Discussion
On Saturday 26 December 2009 17:49:17 William Case wrote: I just want to get some user thoughts and points on using Compiz. I tried it a couple of Fedora versions ago. It was kind of cute using the spinning cube for workspaces and wobbly windows for a short while but I soon returned to using Metacity. Now that Compiz is more mature and more people are using it, is there any advantages to trying it again. Any preferred modes etc. I do include a 'fun' desktop amongst the possible advantages. Ok, this is a looong post. Remember, you asked for it... ;-) AFAIK, this sort of eye-candy first appeared on Macs. Windows didn't have it (and still doesn't in any serious form, AFAIK), and we Linux folks could not tolerate the idea that Mac users had something we don't. And so Compiz was born. (N.B. This is my subjective idea of how it all happened, not sure if it is true at all...) It's all about eye-candy, user-convenience and ease of manipulating windows and other stuff on the screen. Given the emphasis on eye-candy, it is stupid to run Compiz alone --- if you have good hardwaresoftware support for 3D graphics, I suggest you use: (1) KDE4 desktop environment (2) full-blown Compiz-Fusion (note: this is more than just Compiz) (3) Emerald window decorator (4) Cairo-dock (5) Anything else I don't know about... and turn on as many effects as your eyes can tolerate :-) ... I've been using this sort of setup since Fedora 9, on Intel graphics hardware (inferior to nVidia and ATI, but quite usable nevertheless). Of course, I don't turn on everything, but only things I like. And I change my taste for it from time to time, reconfigure it and play around etc. Before Fedora 9 times, I had quite inferior hardware, and used to work in quite minimalistic environment --- mainly runlevel 3, starting WindowMaker or twm when I needed X (no desktop environment whatsoever). So I am familiar with both extremes. Globally, you can divide all people into those who like eye-candy and run the above (1-5) setup, those who don't like eye-candy and run twm or just runlevel 3 terminal (and use lynx to browse the web), and those who cannot decide whether they like eye-candy or not, and thus run some DEwindow manager that looks nice but not _that_ nice (and simultaneously ugly but not _that_ ugly). I've been in all three camps. Ok, so why have all that stuff on the display? Pro's and con's from my point of view... Pro's: * Enjoyable graphical experience. Using a computer for everyday work looks less dull and more like a video-game. I almost wish that all those effects have appropriate audio background, with a zwizz-fluff-bang-click audio effects when I switch a workspace and the octagon (8 workspaces) cylinder rotates around, windows get detached in 3D, gears rotate in the center and the picture of Orion constellation is moved around on the skydome behind. While all this is reflected on an invisible glass-like surface below the cube, with 30% translucency... Come on, it looks great! :-) * Enhanced functionality for manipulating windows. Setting alt-tab to use the ring-switcher (across all workspaces) beats any other method of switching to another window --- you can see a thumbnail of every window in the ring, and it is updated live: you can see the movie being played in mplayer inside the thumbnail while switching. Folding the maximized window like a sheet of paper to see what is behind --- by simply grabbing it to the edge and pulling, a beautiful feature of Emerald (haven't seen it anywhere else). Simply hitting the top-left corner with a mouse to initiate scale and display all windows as thumbnails floating around waiting to be clicked on. Simply hitting left or right screen edge initiates switching to the next workspace, with all the above octagon-cylinder-3D-skydome-gears-zwizz-bang stuff. Simply hitting top screen edge invokes the hidden KDE panel, while the bottom edge invokes the hiddel cairo-dock with it's own wealth of effects (haven't explored them all yet, there are too many to choose from...). Having Konsole window maximized with 25% translucency to see all the KDE4 widgets dimmed on the desktop behind and keep track of cpunetwork usage while having the whole screen available for the shell. Everything has a configurable mouse action and a configurable hotkey action, so one can use whatever one holds in the hands at the moment, for most convenient user interaction. * Great for showcasing Linux and converting Windows users. When a Windows user is confronted with this level of eye-candy, Linux ceases to be an aha experience and becomes more of a HOLY S**T !!! kind of experience. ;-) Con's: * Hardwaresoftware requirements. You need 3D support, which typically does not work out of the box (unless you are lucky) and requires some time to set up. Might involve closed-source graphics drivers that don't exist for latest kernel and such problems. * Moderate
Re: Nouveau driver with nvidia dual head
On Thursday 24 December 2009 14:07:20 Greg Woods wrote: On Thu, 2009-12-24 at 06:41 -0500, Kirk Lowery wrote: So how does nouveau get away without an xorg.conf? The Xorg server will probe your monitor to get the information it needs to configure it. This is known as EDID (no doubt someone here can tell us what that acronym stands for). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_display_identification_data Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Trying to compile Speed-Dream
On Thursday 24 December 2009 23:12:51 Jim wrote: On 12/24/2009 05:12 PM, Jim wrote: FC12/KDE Trying to compile but I guess I do not have everything I need installed. kernel-devel, and gcc is installed. # ./configure [snip] checking for g++... no checking for c++... no checking for gpp... no checking for aCC... no checking for CC... no checking for cxx... no checking for cc++... no checking for cl.exe... no checking for FCC... no checking for KCC... no checking for RCC... no checking for xlC_r... no checking for xlC... no checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... no checking whether g++ accepts -g... no checking dependency style of g++... none [snip] configure: error: C++ preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check See `config.log' for more details. I guess you need to do a yum groupinstall Development Tools HTH. :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Moving to Fedora .. my GUI gone..
On Wednesday 23 December 2009 09:10:54 Ishmael Chibvuri wrote: I tried to install KDE (K desktop), removing GNOME desktop and all its utilities from Linux Ubuntu since I wanted some nice features from Fedora.. After rebooting.. Only the shell comes up.. the GUI is not starting... where could I be going wrong.. After converting .rpm files from the fedora disc to .deb using alien,I installed all the core KDE files...listed below Converting and installing Fedora packages on an Ubuntu system will almost certainly not work, especially if you are trying to install the whole KDE or something equally complicated. If you want to move to Fedora, backup your data, reformat the hard drive and install Fedora *instead* of Ubuntu, not on top of it. Or free up a partition on the disk, install Fedora there and set up dual-boot. Or install it in a virtual machine under Ubuntu. Or run it off the Live CD. But do not mix packages from both distros and install them simultaneously, it just won't work properly. Is there a registry setting somewhere, which needs to be edited, to point to the new GUI (KDE). AFAIK, the registry is a Windows artifact, no such thing exists in Linux --- nor Ubuntu nor Fedora. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: To Timothy Murphy
On Sunday 20 December 2009 12:27:51 Andras Simon wrote: On 12/19/09, Sam Sharpe lists.red...@samsharpe.net wrote: 2009/12/19 Andras Simon sza...@gmail.com: I don't think you can tweak gmail's spam filter. Not directly, anyway. I always check Timothy Murphy's mails that gmail labels as spam as not spam, hoping to teach it that they're not. They're not being tagged as Spam, they are being tagged as Phishing. I They _are_ labelled as spam here. (And I have no idea how can you claim that they're not.) Let me try to help a bit here: they _are_ _not_ being labelled as spam on my gmail account (not anymore). And I *do* have an idea how can you claim that they are --- because apparently every gmail user teaches his own version of the spam filter. Select all Timothy's messages you have, click on the not spam button, and hopefully gmail will stop labelling them as spam. If it does not, repeat the above until it does. It appears that the spam teaching capabilities in gmail are a per user thing --- you need to teach gmail about this *yourself* for your account. The fact that some of us did it for our own accounts has nothing to do with yours. In my case this teaching has been quite successful, it required just a handful of messages to learn. The problem never appeared again. This was several months ago, IIRC. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mplayer fc12-86_64
On Friday 18 December 2009 01:11:59 david walcroft wrote: I have the problem of constant flashing at start up of a movie. I also tried other players (totem) they played videos but no sound,I checked various volume levels and they were all at maximum. How about running mplayer yourmoviefile.avi from a terminal and posting its output? Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mplayer fc12-86_64
On Friday 18 December 2009 21:52:12 david walcroft wrote: On 12/18/2009 11:11 AM, david walcroft wrote: I have the problem of constant flashing at start up of a movie. I also tried other players (totem) they played videos but no sound,I checked various volume levels and they were all at maximum. [da...@reddwarf ~]$ mplayer kinema/garfield-tsr_m320.mov Warning unknown option cache-prefill at line 148 MPlayer SVN-r29800-4.4.2 (C) 2000-2009 MPlayer Team This codecs.conf is too old and incompatible with this MPlayer release! at line 6 What do you have in ~/.mplayer/ directory? It looks like you have some stale old files from previous versions of mplayer? Try renaming the directory and let mplayer create a new directory for itself with default contents. Then try playing the movie again. Playing kinema/garfield-tsr_m320.mov. Cache fill: 0.00% (0 bytes) libavformat file format detected. [mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 0x2f1be50]multiple edit list entries, a/v desync might occur, patch welcome I am not sure if this is because some confused options in the old config files or the movie you're trying to play is badly encoded... Anyway it does warn you that audio and video might get out of sync. I'm not sure if that amounts to flashing you see or not. AO: [alsa] 22050Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample) Don't you have pulseaudio on by default? Try mplayer -ao pulse kinema/garfield-tsr_m320.mov Plays well in the terminal but with out sound. I'm not surprised there is no sound, given that it tries to use alsa instead of pulseaudio. Ok, three recommendations: 1) Try to play some other file. If it is fine, than this particular movie might be broken somehow. 2) Rename ~/.mplayer/ directory to something else. If there are some old/wrong config files and settings in there, they can confuse mplayer. 3) Check your sound configuration. Make sure pulseaudio is running, system sounds and other music can be played without problems etc. Force mplayer to use pulseaudio with -ao pulse option, although it *should* do it by default anyway. Btw, I understood that you were previously trying mplayer outside the terminal, ie. using a GUI. What GUI were you using? HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fc12 and grubconf
On Thursday 17 December 2009 05:27:32 Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday 16 December 2009, david walcroft wrote: I tried to edit grubconf. with vim but when I tried to change 'rhgb' and 'quiet' the cursor would not edit the line as the cursor would not stop at the line,it went either above or below the line. Is this new behavior in fc12 david No David. That is a long line and you need to start on what you call the line about it, and then right arrow till you get there. So vim does this as well? Such behavior is the only thing I absolutely *hate* in emacs. It is completely nonintuitive to word-wrap the text but not cursor movement. When one presses the down arrow, one naturally expects the cursor to go down to the next line of what is visibly presented on the screen (be it the same actual line or the next one), not down to the next line of a file whose structure which is not directly visible. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: VCD in an iso
On Thursday 17 December 2009 05:02:19 Jatin K wrote: On 12/17/2009 05:24 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: Ok, so I have an iso image of a VCD. Is there any way to access the data inside without actually burning it to a CD and plugging it into the drive? I tried to loop mount the iso, but AFAIK a VCD doesn't have a filesystem on it, so it refuses to mount, like an audio CD. I also tried to play it in mplayer and use the -cdrom-device option to point it to the iso, but mplayer expects a block device like /dev/cdrom there, not a file. Is there any way I can simulate that the .iso is physically inserted into /dev/cdrom or something? have tried Gmount ? What is Gmount? Yum doesn't seem to find anything by that name, [vma...@yoda ~]$ yum search gmount [vma...@yoda ~]$ yum search Gmount [vma...@yoda ~]$ yum whatprovides */gmount [vma...@yoda ~]$ yum whatprovides */Gmount all produce No Matches found. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
VCD in an iso
Ok, so I have an iso image of a VCD. Is there any way to access the data inside without actually burning it to a CD and plugging it into the drive? I tried to loop mount the iso, but AFAIK a VCD doesn't have a filesystem on it, so it refuses to mount, like an audio CD. I also tried to play it in mplayer and use the -cdrom-device option to point it to the iso, but mplayer expects a block device like /dev/cdrom there, not a file. Is there any way I can simulate that the .iso is physically inserted into /dev/cdrom or something? Or do I just burn the thing on a CD and rip it the old-fashioned way? I mean, burning some data off a hard disk onto a CD just so that I could plug it in and copy the data back on the hard disk seems... well... clumsy? If there is a way to mount the damn thing somehow, I'm listening. Thanks, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Love Totem
On Tuesday 15 December 2009 06:08:08 Suvayu Ali wrote: I like to have some video playing in one of the corners of my screen while I work, and the always on top feature in Totem is ideal for that. I had so far noticed Totem would automatically move to the background whenever it was done playing some video with the always on top feature enabled. None of the other players I am familiar with does that. Are you talking about the behavior equivalent to the -ontop option in mplayer? I agree, that can be very handy sometimes, especially if you have a widescreen monitor and can spare a corner. ;-) Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10 rpm of grub2 completely broken
On Tuesday 15 December 2009 14:24:53 Gene Heskett wrote: I have grub-0.97 (F10 32 bit) in the mbr of /dev/sda. I have grub-1.97 (Mint 8 64 bit) in the mbr of /dev/sdb. I have grub-0.97 (Mandriva 2009.1 64 bit) in the mbr of /dev/sdd. What would be the exact stanza in the F10 grub.conf to switch directly to the Mint 8 boot screen without involving the grub2 rpm or any of its utilities at all? title My Mint 8 installation rootnoverify (hd1) makeactive chainloader +1 Haven't tested it of course, as I don't have the same setup, but it should work. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 iptables can't disable
On Monday 14 December 2009 06:40:28 KC8LDO wrote: I've been trying to track down a problem where I can't browse the local network using samba. As one experiment I disabled iptables, or so I thought I did, using the services GUI. I can disable the ip6tables firewall it seems OK, but not the iptables firewall. The GUI shows the service disabled but still running, red dot and the plug icon in. Disabled (the red dot) means that the service will not be started on next boot. Running (the plug) means that the service is currently active. Those are two separate concepts, you should never confuse them. Something is screwed up with how some of the services work on F11 where they don't stop, start etc. the way they should and ask for a root password, through a pop-up dialog box, to allow making changes. The password is asked on your first attempt to change something, and authorization lasts until some reasonable timeout (couple of minutes or so, I don't know exactly). This is if you use GUI. If you use the service command in the terminal, there is no pop-up window, you should be logged in as root instead. Are you not being asked for the root password? How do you tell iptables to quit, pass all packets through, service iptables stop and stay that way even after rebooting? chkconfig iptables off Be warned though, that not running a firewall is a Very Bad Idea if the machine is connected to the Internet. If you have trouble with samba, I suggest configuring the firewall appropriately, rather than disabling it completely. That's a major issue for me. I would suspect that some system script file(s) are not done right or missing etc. No, everything is working as expected. The service command does what it is intended to do --- start or stop the service. This has of course nothing to do with configuring what will happen at next boot. The chkconfig command configures what services will or will not be started at boot. I keep getting some mysterious authorization failure message box that pops up with no description of where, why and from what caused it. So far I haven't had any luck finding what it is and stopping whatever the application or service that's causing it. Could it be that these are the root password requests that you were asked for while playing with the services GUI? If I understood your comments above, the services GUI failed to ask you for a root password, right? And now you find a bunch of password requests waiting somewhere else, right? It might be that your desktop environment has something screwed up and the pop-up requests do not appear on the same desktop as the originating app. IIRC, this is configurable somewhere, depending on the DE you use. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: networkmanager/knetworkmanager Fedora 12 no go
On Monday 14 December 2009 11:34:56 n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: Well folks, I'm completely bewildered! I have the latest updated Fedora 12 on my laptop, but for the life of me I cannot get knetworkmanager to work. AFAIK, knetworkmanager is not the default even in the KDE spin of F12. Don't know why, but guess it is not stable enough yet. I suggest you use nm-applet instead. All I get is a message saying the network is not managed. I can disable network manager, (stop the daemon), and use the laptop that way, but a working network manager would be preferable. The NetworkManager service (the daemon) must be running in order for knetworkmanager or nm-applet to work properly. In system-config-network the Controlled by NetworkManager checkbox should be selected for every device (eth0, wireless, whatever you have/want) that should be managed by NM. If you want all of your network devices to be controlled by NM, you should make sure that the network service is not running: service network stop chkconfig network off Anyone out there with any ideas? If you have checked and configured all of the above and it still doesn't work, then you should start nm-applet from the terminal (as an ordinary user), try to connect and watch for any error messages. Also look at /var/log/messages for NetworkManager errors and information. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Real Audio on F12
On Monday 14 December 2009 12:47:27 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 15:44 +0100, ELMORABITY Mohamed wrote: Le dimanche 13 décembre 2009 à 14:33 +, Patrick O'Callaghan a écrit : I'm experiencing considerable frustration trying to get Real Audio files to play. did you tried to use a player provided by Fedora or RPM Fusion instead? You should first try with mplayer for example. Some Real streams may requires win32/win64 extra codecs, and mplayer will signale this in this case. I tried both vlc and dragon on a test file. Does mplayer play that test file? Are you talking about a *file* or a stream from the Internet? Mplayer complains (but not about codecs) and stops: $ mplayer http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/inourtime/rams/inourtime_20081009.ram MPlayer SVN-r29800-4.4.2 (C) 2000-2009 MPlayer Team mplayer: could not connect to socket mplayer: No such file or directory Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote control. This is just the regular complaint that you don't have remote control set up. Ignore it. Playing http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/inourtime/rams/inourtime_20081009.ram. Resolving www.bbc.co.uk for AF_INET6... Couldn't resolve name for AF_INET6: www.bbc.co.uk This is just a complaint that IPv6 doesn't work. Ignore it. Resolving www.bbc.co.uk for AF_INET... Connecting to server www.bbc.co.uk[212.58.251.195]: 80... IPv4 does resolve, and mplayer successfully connects. This is good. Cache size set to 320 KBytes Cache fill: 0.04% (139 bytes) Exiting... (End of file) This is bad. Mplayer received only 139 bytes of the stream. Maybe you can try it in a more verbose mode (-v), hopefully it will display more info about what is going on. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Real Audio on F12
On Monday 14 December 2009 12:55:24 Pikachu_2014 wrote: 2009/12/14 Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com I'm experiencing considerable frustration trying to get Real Audio files to play. Mplayer complains (but not about codecs) and stops: $ mplayer http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/inourtime/rams/inourtime_20081009.ram MPlayer SVN-r29800-4.4.2 (C) 2000-2009 MPlayer Team Playing http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/inourtime/rams/inourtime_20081009.ram . Resolving www.bbc.co.uk for AF_INET6... Connecting to server www.bbc.co.uk[212.58.251.195]: 80... Cache size set to 320 KBytes Cache fill: 0.04% (139 bytes) Exiting... (End of file) You should add the -playlist option to mplayer Wow! This is useful to know! :-) Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Real Audio on F12
On Monday 14 December 2009 13:47:26 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: OT: in the interests of having a more user-friendly experience, such as fast-forward etc., I also tried with gmplayer (also with -playlist). It started playing OK but on hitting the fast-forward control the UI just froze and had to be kill -9'ed. gmplayer seems to be someone's idea of a joke, which is a pity as mplayer is otherwise very capable. When I first tried using a mplayer GUI (don't remember which one) several years ago, it was so buggy that I decided to give up on it and learn to use mplayer from the terminal. Never looked back. Maybe today GUI's are better, but I still only hear about problems with them. Incidentally, I tried to play the link you posted, and it does play (with the -playlist option). The fast-forwarding *should* work in the console as well (using the cursor keys), but in this case it doesn't. I also had to killall mplayer (twice, though it worked without the -9). This may be a bug, but I bet that the codec for .ram just doesn't support seeking or is broken or something. If you have the whole file on the disk, and if seeking works when playing the file, then I guess increasing the cache buffer might help with seeking in streams, but I'm not sure. Best, :-) Marko P.S. Goedel's incompleteness theorem is indeed an interesting topic, I'll probably listen it all later this afternoon. :-) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Real Audio on F12
On Monday 14 December 2009 16:59:06 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Following on from that, do you know of a way to capture the stream using mplayer (or anything else for that matter)? RFM I guess, but the FM is rather long and complex :-) mplayer -ao pcm:fast,file=givemeaname.wav -playlist http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/inourtime/rams/inourtime_20081009.ram Note that this should be one line, it might get word-wrapped. You might want to read up on pcm driver in the description of the -ao option (audio output driver to use) of man mplayer. quote There is no media that can be played back with software and not be captured into a file. ;-) /quote HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Real Audio on F12
On Monday 14 December 2009 17:41:03 Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Monday 14 December 2009 16:59:06 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Following on from that, do you know of a way to capture the stream using mplayer (or anything else for that matter)? RFM I guess, but the FM is rather long and complex :-) mplayer -ao pcm:fast,file=givemeaname.wav -playlist http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/inourtime/rams/inourtime_20081009.ram Ok, the fast flag is useless in this case, since the server would not let you download faster than realtime stream (I'm downloading it right now). But it works anyway. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help: No internet connection
On Monday 14 December 2009 16:58:36 R. G. Newbury wrote: At a console enter: 'service NetWorkManager stop' I guess that should read 'service NetworkManager stop'. Note the small w compared to the capital W. These things are case-sensitive, and can lead to problems if one is not careful. :-) HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Real Audio on F12
On Monday 14 December 2009 19:46:29 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2009-12-14 at 17:41 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Monday 14 December 2009 16:59:06 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Following on from that, do you know of a way to capture the stream using mplayer (or anything else for that matter)? RFM I guess, but the FM is rather long and complex :-) mplayer -ao pcm:fast,file=givemeaname.wav -playlist http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/inourtime/rams/inourtime_20081009.ram Note that this should be one line, it might get word-wrapped. It says to use -vc null -vo null for better performance when dumping. This makes sense if the stream has both audio and video, and you wish to capture only the audio part. Then you instruct mplayer to push all video output to /dev/null instead to the display, and this increases overall performance because there is no video overhead. However, this particular stream is audio only, so the -vc and -vo options have no effect anyway. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 12 - Anyone using mplayer + vdpau?
On Tuesday 15 December 2009 03:29:00 Jorge Fábregas wrote: Unfortunately when I play some h.264 material I get: [vdpau] Could not open dynamic library libvdpau.so.1 I chechked all the packages that were installed (after requesting the nvidia driver): kmod-nvidia-2.6.31.6-166.fc12.i686.PAE-190.42-1.fc12.8.i686 xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-190.42-5.fc12.i686 xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-190.42-5.fc12.i686 nvidia-xconfig-1.0-1.fc12.i686 kmod-nvidia-PAE-190.42-1.fc12.8.i686 nvidia-settings-1.0-3.2.fc12.i686 ...but none of them provide this file. Is there a way around this? I don't use vdpau myself, but yum whatprovides *libvdpau.so gives the following info: libvdpau-devel-0.2-1.fc12.x86_64 : Development files for libvdpau Repo: fedora Matched from: Filename: /usr/lib64/libvdpau.so libvdpau-devel-0.2-1.fc12.i686 : Development files for libvdpau Repo: fedora Matched from: Filename: /usr/lib/libvdpau.so So I guess you need to yum install libvdpau-devel. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: SB driver in F12 ?
On Friday 11 December 2009 22:11:19 Stewart Williams wrote: Mikkel wrote: I would check System -- Preferences -- Advanced Volume Control. Sorry, I can't seem to find this on my system. I don't use Gnome, but I guess you're talking about Pulseaudio volume control tool. It is called pavucontrol, you can run it from a terminal, or yum install it if it isn't installed already. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Cursor of konsole hides last character
On Friday 11 December 2009 22:19:56 Paul Smith wrote: Is there some workaround to prevent the cursor of konsole (KDE) of hiding the last character typed? I've never seen Konsole doing what you describe, but you might try Settings - Edit current settings in the menu and tweak it to your preference. Maybe the color settings are garbled or something? HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Is Visualization possibe.
On Thursday 10 December 2009 19:44:47 Rick Stevens wrote: On 12/10/2009 06:18 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: /proc/cpuinfo displays cpu flags below. Is this system capable of visualization? flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc pebs bts pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl cid cx16 xtpr If you mean virtualization, the answer is yes and no. You _can't_ do _hardware_ virtualization (that's the vmx flag on Intel processors or the svm flag on AMD processors). You _can_ do _software_ virtualization (VMWare, qemu, virtualbox, etc.). It's slower than hardware virtualization, but it does work. I use it on a couple of my less-capable machines. Also, if you have an Intel processor, check if it is possible to enable virtualization in the bios before looking up flags. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F12 Boot error message re mount of loop device
On Wednesday 09 December 2009 18:59:19 Bill Davidsen wrote: David wrote: During boot I want to mount an iso9660 file as a loop device. The iso file is on a ext3 partition labelled HUGE_01 which is mounted at /mnt/huge. FILE = /mnt/huge/get/iso/Fedora-12-i386-DVD/Fedora-12-i386-DVD.iso MOUNTPOINT = /mnt/Fedora-12-i386-DVD. The mount succeeds. However during boot I get this unnecessary failure message: Mounting local filesystems: [ OK ] [snip] Mounting other filesystems: mount: according to mtab /mnt/huge/get/iso/Fedora-12-i386-DVD/Fedora-12-i386-DVD.iso is already mounted on /mnt/Fedora-12-i386-DVD as loop [ FAILED ] The proper question is why do you mount it twice? If it should be automatically mounted at boot, the fstab entry should be enough. However, it seems that you or the system is trying to mount it again later during boot. You need to locate where in the boot process is this happening. What messages are between the two tries? IOW, what is in the [snip] part? [...@kablamm ~]$ cat /etc/fstab LABEL=kablamm_C / ext3defaults 1 1 LABEL=kablamm_Z /boot ext2defaults 1 2 LABEL=BIG_01/mnt/bigext3defaults 1 2 LABEL=HUGE_01 /mnt/huge ext3defaults 1 2 LABEL=kablamm_H /home ext3defaults 1 2 LABEL=kablamm_S swapswapdefaults 0 0 tmpfs /dev/shmtmpfs defaults0 0 devpts /dev/ptsdevpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 sysfs /syssysfs defaults 0 0 proc/proc procdefaults 0 0 /mnt/huge/get/iso/Fedora-12-i386-DVD/Fedora-12-i386-DVD.iso /mnt/Fedora-1 2-i386-DVD iso9660 loop,ro,gid=share 0 0 This looks ok. If you cannot find the place where the second mount is being attempted, maybe adding the noauto option along with loop,ro,gid=share might help --- the DVD will not get mounted on the first try, so maybe this can be a workaround. There's a secret way to do this, called man fstab. Those numbers at the end of the line are not random, they control the mounting order. This is completely wrong. Those numbers have nothing to do with mount order. Bill, you are the one who needs to read man fstab, not the OP. ;-) HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to enable surround 5.1 output on laptop
On Wednesday 09 December 2009 21:53:51 Major Péter wrote: Hi, I have a Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop, which has two headphone output and one mic input, see picture: http://images.techtree.com/ttimages/story/87259_frontcombo.jpg On my winxp, I can do, that the left jack goes to the front speakers, the center jack goes to the center speaker, and the right jack goes to the rear speakers and everything works great. But on Linux I can't even make work the second headphone jack. :( What should I do to enable 5.1 on Fedora too? From http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ : quote I have a surround sound card, but PulseAudio uses just the front speakers! Many people have a surround card, but have speakers for just two channels, so PulseAudio can't really default to a surround setup. To enable all the channels, edit /etc/pulse/daemon.conf: uncomment the default-sample-channels line (i.e. remove the semicolon from the beginning of the line) and set the value to 6 if you have a 5.1 setup, or 8 if you have 7.1 setup etc. After doing the edit, restart pulseaudio. /quote Never tried it myself, but guess that should do it. :-) HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to enable surround 5.1 output on laptop
On Thursday 10 December 2009 00:20:51 Major Péter wrote: 2009-12-09 23:15 keltezéssel, Marko Vojinovic írta: On Wednesday 09 December 2009 21:53:51 Major Péter wrote: Hi, I have a Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop, which has two headphone output and one mic input, see picture: http://images.techtree.com/ttimages/story/87259_frontcombo.jpg On my winxp, I can do, that the left jack goes to the front speakers, the center jack goes to the center speaker, and the right jack goes to the rear speakers and everything works great. But on Linux I can't even make work the second headphone jack. :( What should I do to enable 5.1 on Fedora too? From http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ : quote I have a surround sound card, but PulseAudio uses just the front speakers! Many people have a surround card, but have speakers for just two channels, so PulseAudio can't really default to a surround setup. To enable all the channels, edit /etc/pulse/daemon.conf: uncomment the default-sample-channels line (i.e. remove the semicolon from the beginning of the line) and set the value to 6 if you have a 5.1 setup, or 8 if you have 7.1 setup etc. After doing the edit, restart pulseaudio. /quote Thanks, but this is only good for people who has 5.1 sound card and wants to play all of the channels on their 2.0 speakers. No, you misunderstood. Majority of people have only two speakers, so the *default* setup is to enable only front leftright channels for output. However, if you *do* have more speakers and want to enable all 6 channels for output, then you should edit the /etc/pulse/daemon.conf file as instructed. This is precisely what you want to do, if you want to enable 5.1 output. Best, :-) Marko P.S. Please don't top-post, read the list guidelines. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
On Sunday 06 December 2009 02:27:34 Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: Marko Vojinovic vvma...@gmail.com writes: And I was just about to ask what exactly is broken downstream... :-) I've been driving several Fedora versions on several machines for several years now with a custom-partitioned disks (simple setups, typically just swap, / and /home, no LVM or anything such), and nothing downstream seemed broken, ever. AFAICS, it is completely safe to not use LVM if you know you won't be resizing partitions afterwards. And life is simpler if the hard drive starts dying or something... ;-) Did you get selinux working or did you just turn it off in frustration becauce putting thing in non-default places broke the stock selinux policies? I rarely ever put files in non-default places. And when I do, SELinux yells at me, but then it is typically a matter of one chcon and one semanage command to make the whole thing legal and persistent. It does not take any more work than fixing ordinary Linux permissions when putting things in non-default places. And there is setroubleshoot which basically tells you exactly what commands to execute. I can only wish for a similar tool to tell me do a chmod 755 some.file and chown -R myuser.thatgroup /thosefiles if you want to grant access to whatever you are doing. Basically the only thing one can see is a permission denied message in the prompt or a pop-up window, and I have to figure out myself how to fix it. SELinux is more user-friendly in this respect. :-) Of course, whenever I do something like this, I take a couple of minutes to get educated what exactly I'm doing and why. Over time, I learned how to deal with it with less and less effort. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
On Sunday 06 December 2009 16:41:59 Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Sunday 06 December 2009 02:27:34 Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: Marko Vojinovic vvma...@gmail.com writes: And I was just about to ask what exactly is broken downstream... :-) I've been driving several Fedora versions on several machines for several years now with a custom-partitioned disks (simple setups, typically just swap, / and /home, no LVM or anything such), and nothing downstream seemed broken, ever. AFAICS, it is completely safe to not use LVM if you know you won't be resizing partitions afterwards. And life is simpler if the hard drive starts dying or something... ;-) Did you get selinux working or did you just turn it off in frustration becauce putting thing in non-default places broke the stock selinux policies? I rarely ever put files in non-default places. And also, I have never had a situation where SELinux would complain to a custom layout of partitions. It doesn't operate on that layer, AFAIK. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Compiz plugins
On Sunday 06 December 2009 09:45:53 Suvayu Ali wrote: On Sunday 06 December 2009 01:39 AM, Eric Tanguy wrote: How to know what key is super ? Although its usually the Windows key, you can check by running xev from the terminal. This will give you a keycode for the key, but I don't know how you can make sure that is the correct keycode. I've always found this super and meta terminology quite confusing. What keys do you press when you read press alt+meta3+F9 in some instruction manual? Given that some keyboards might or might not have one or more Windows and similar keys present, there must be some table in X configuration files that maps available keyboard layout to names such as super, meta1-4, alt, ctrl and shift. The problem is where this information actually is and how to make it easily available for a newbie. After so many years of using Linux, I myself am still not sure what are super and meta keys on my keyboard. I never bothered to do a serious investigation of this, but certainly, one should not be supposed to use google and read configuration files in order to find out which key is where on the keyboard... Or am I missing something completely obvious here? Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Using USB devices in VMs under KVM fc11 or fc12
On Sunday 06 December 2009 16:28:10 Greg Woods wrote: On Sun, 2009-12-06 at 16:11 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: VirtualBox works for me (to the extent of synching my old Palm Tx) but you have to use the non-free version as the free one doesn't have USB support. How much does it cost to get a home user license for the non-free version? It's non-free as in closed-source and proprietary EULA-s and stuff. It doesn't cost anything, AFAIK. The VirtualBox-OSE (the open-source edition) is in rpmfusion and doesn't have USB support. The VirtualBox (the Sun closed-source edition) is in Sun's yum repository and does support USB. You can read all about it on http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions page. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Using USB devices in VMs under KVM fc11 or fc12
On Sunday 06 December 2009 16:11:11 Greg Woods wrote: I'm guessing I could set up a VM that has a real IP address rather than using NAT, but the GUIs don't generally support this and I haven't yet learned how to create a VM or a virtual network from the command line. If I did that I could possibly sync to a VM via wireless instead of USB, but this is now wandering far from the original question. In VirtualBox you set this up as follows: * open VirtualBox * open the settings window for your VM * go to network, open the appropriate adapter tab (typically the first one) * set the attached to setting to bridged adapter * click OK This sets up bridged networking for your VM --- it will behave on equal footing as the host OS itself, ie. it will request an IP from your router's dhcp (or whatever your host OS uses to set itself up). Depending on your ISP and local network setup, it should have a real IP as much as your host does, and will be visible from any other machine on your LAN. I don't remember how to do it under KVM/QEMU and VMWare, but it should also amount of choosing bridged networking somewhere in some settings. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: No system-config-display ?
On Saturday 05 December 2009 13:18:06 Bob Goodwin wrote: I must admit I don't know how to change env and man env is not helping. I did : env DESKTOP_SESSION=xfce4 export DESKTOP_SESSION=xfce4 Read the man bash, search for export keyword. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
On Saturday 05 December 2009 13:43:52 Timothy Murphy wrote: Matthew Saltzman wrote: Actually, the complexity is that Fedora for some insane reason still defaults to using LVM for everything *other* than /boot. This brings no benefit to most users. Well, it means I can have separate filesystems for things that I don't want overwritten if I reinstall (/home, /usr/local, /opt, /var/www, etc.) That's only 4, or 7 with / , /boot and swap. How do you get up to 15? Multiboot with various Windows, Ubuntu's, other Fedora's? Each should have its own /, at least. That said, if one does not work in multi-platform software development, I totally agree that cluttering the disk with all that stuff is very ugly, at the very least. These days virtual machines are much cleaner and easier to maintain than multiboot setups. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
On Saturday 05 December 2009 13:52:36 Timothy Murphy wrote: Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: But the point is taken. There seem to be quite a few posts from folks that make their lives needlessly complex by mucking with the defaults and that ends up breaking something downstream. Are you saying that something is broken downstream if you don't use LVM? With respect, that is nonsense. And I was just about to ask what exactly is broken downstream... :-) I've been driving several Fedora versions on several machines for several years now with a custom-partitioned disks (simple setups, typically just swap, / and /home, no LVM or anything such), and nothing downstream seemed broken, ever. AFAICS, it is completely safe to not use LVM if you know you won't be resizing partitions afterwards. And life is simpler if the hard drive starts dying or something... ;-) Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to change default keyring in fedora .... which is asked at network connection
On Thursday 03 December 2009 11:26:23 Jatin K wrote: I've changed the user password on my system now I want to change the default keyring password also, is there any way to change the default keyring. I've tried to install gnome-keyring-manager using yum but it says that no package is available to install yum install seahorse Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: xrandr w/ laptop and ext monitor
On Wednesday 02 December 2009 05:42:28 Joseph L. Casale wrote: Is it possible to create the default whereby the builtin LVD is then turned off if the external LVD or VGA is connected? This would accomplish what I need equally well. This little script does exactly that, for me: #! /bin/bash if xrandr | grep VGA1 connected; then xrandr --output VGA1 --auto --output LVDS1 --off ; fi exit Put it somewhere to run automatically upon login (I have it in KDE's Autostart configuration), and you're done. However, if you connect VGA after login, you need to execute the script manually. If something doesn't work, look at the output of xrandr in the terminal, maybe your devices have different names. And of course, you need to do xrandr --output LVDS1 --auto --output VGA1 --off before you disconnect VGA, if you don't plan to reboot the machine. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Compiz-manager bombs but desktop-effects works?
On Wednesday 02 December 2009 18:06:35 Thomas Cameron wrote: I finally got F12 installed, jumped through the hoops to get the NVidia driver (from nvidia.com) installed. Weird thing is that if I fire up compiz-manager, it doesn't work. No wobbly windows, no spinning desktop, nothing. Here's the output: [tcame...@case Desktop]$ compiz-manager This is a stab in the dark, but why not try to start compiz with fusion-icon instead? Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: Linux Malware is possible? if it is :(
On Wednesday 02 December 2009 16:04:58 Richard Heck wrote: On 12/02/2009 10:09 AM, Dave Ihnat wrote: Secondly, once you (as the bad guy) get a user to run something for you, you can start poking at the system itself. In this case, you're looking for a flaw in the system security itself--either misconfiguration, or an actual hole in some program or service that a normal user can run or use. As has been pointed out, however, serious damage can be done even if the cracker never gets root privileges. One could install new extensions to Firefox, for example, that would give the cracker access to passwords. Or install programs into the user's home directory, run them from .bash_profile, or whatever, and send spam around the world just using mail, the messages themselves being downloaded via wget. Etc, etc. All very dangerous. Social engineering cannot be solved by technology. If one is stupid enough to accept a trojan and gets compromised, it is one's own fault. However, the main advantage of Linux in this situation is that *other* users are still pretty much safe, while in Windows compromising one user usually means compromising the whole machine, which opens a door to *all* users on that machine. And that is far worse --- if you share the machine with a fellow user who is dumb enough to fall for trojans, he is compromising *your* security if on Windows, while only his own if on Linux. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: Linux Malware is possible? if it is :(
On Wednesday 02 December 2009 16:29:15 Frank Cox wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 11:04 -0500, Richard Heck wrote: As has been pointed out, however, serious damage can be done even if the cracker never gets root privileges. Many people lose sight of the fact that their important data is in their home directory. User's data is user's responsibility. No amount of technology and clever programming will help me if I do a rm -rf ~ or tell someone the password for my bank account. If I lose /bin I can download and reinstall stuff to create it again. If I lose my home directory, all of my data is gone and I can't just download it from some random ftp server and reinstall. Losing != compromising. It would be stupid for an intruder to simply delete /bin. Instead, he will modify the binaries in order to gain sufficient control over the machine. Yet /bin is much better protected (from me) than my home directory. If your home directory gets compromised, *your* data gets compromised. If /bin gets compromised, *everyone's* data gets compromised. /bin is better protected from you than your home dir because you may not be the only user on the machine. While it is impossible to protect your own data from you, it *is* possible to protect data of *other* users from you (in case you get compromised). Linux is designed as a multiuser OS (unlike Windows), hence better protection for system files. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: Linux Malware is possible? if it is :(
On Wednesday 02 December 2009 15:09:46 Dave Ihnat wrote: Secondly, once you (as the bad guy) get a user to run something for you, you can start poking at the system itself. In this case, you're looking for a flaw in the system security itself--either misconfiguration, or an actual hole in some program or service that a normal user can run or use. Much harder than Windows, but such flaws have been encountered in the past. SELinux exists precisely for this purpose --- to combat privilege escalation and contain misbehaving apps. Only kernel vulnerabilities are out of its reach, AFAIK. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Off Topic] Announcing the Release of the World's First 64-bit Build of Google's ChromiumOS for Netbooks
On Tuesday 01 December 2009 04:22:08 Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote: I've uploaded the ChromiumOS64 files to Amazon S3 online storage cloud. If you use a download accelerator like prozilla, axel, or SKDownloader (all Linux based), you can achieve download speeds of up to 1 MegaBytes per second. How about providing a torrent? If there are enough peers interested, it will outperform anything else in terms of speed. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: xrandr w/ laptop and ext monitor
On Tuesday 01 December 2009 23:10:05 Joseph L. Casale wrote: I have an HP laptop w/ an Intel chipset and am trying to clone the laptop display to an external lcd but not having luck. I want it to appear exactly as is (task bar etc) but with the obviously different resolution, ^ Well, what is *obvious* (to me, at least) is that it is *impossible* to clone LVDS and VGA outputs while having them with different resolutions, at the same time. I mean, cloning means making them identical, resolution included. :-) What you *can* do is to make them both have the same resolution, and X can do this for you, by choosing the highest resolution common to both VGA and LVDS. However, don't be surprised if that turns out to be 1024x768 or even 800x600. can anyone point me to a doc that suggests this config versus that of extending etc? man xrandr I have a VGA panel with native 1680x1050, a LVDS with 1280x800, and the biggest common resolution turns out to be 1024x768, which looks very ugly on both displays. So when I am connected to VGA, I prefer to shut down the LVDS and work in panel's native 1680x1050. The simplest way to do this is to execute xrandr --output VGA1 --auto --output LVDS1 --off (I have a script taking care of it, autodetecting the presence of VGA panel, etc...). You can read the man page for xrandr and fiddle with various setups. The other possibility is to have two *different* outputs (not cloned, but adjacent, as is being setup as default in F12), and setup the user interface of your DE to look the same. If you use KDE, it is easy, just add appropriate widgets (panel and all) on the VGA display, set up a background, etc. I don't know about Gnome and other DE's, but I guess it's possible there, too. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Default keyring for NetworkManager
On Sunday 29 November 2009 17:50:49 Frank Elsner wrote: On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:32:28 -0500 Ryan Lynch wrote: On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 07:20, Frank Elsner wrote: First of all: Do not use Network Manager. I don't get it--why should he not use NetworkManager? Because on Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:26:39 + Marko Vojinovic wrote: [ ... ] I simply want to connect to my wireless automatically upon boot and not being asked for any passwords. [ ... ] This cant be done with Network Manager. Wait, wait... You should have quoted the whole paragraph: I simply want to connect to my wireless automatically upon boot and not being asked for any passwords. I have also enabled autologin in kdm in order to get logged in automatically (this works beautifully, btw). So, given that I have autologin set up, it *can* be done. I push the power button on my laptop, wait until the system settles down, and I am logged in, connected to wireless, ktorrent and openvpn are already working, and all is well. The problem was just to move that default keyring thing out of the way. This was solved by making it accept an empty password. I didn't have any issue with NetworkManager itself. It was all about the interaction between the keyring and nm-applet. Ok, I admit that I was speaking rather loosely about upon boot, meaning actually upon boot and autologin, so that's probably the source of confusion. :-) In general, NetworkManager has become mature enough and works very well in typical laptop usecases, like mine. If you have a server with wired connection and all, I agree that the network service is much better than NM. Two different tools for two different jobs. :-) Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Default keyring for NetworkManager
On Sunday 29 November 2009 21:54:11 Timothy Murphy wrote: Sam Varshavchik wrote: Use seahorse to set a blank password on your keyring. If it won't let you, delete your keyring completely. On the next login you'll be prompted to create one, create it with a blank password. What can one do on a KDE system? As far as I can see, seahorse is a Gnome speciality. Yes, but it won't hurt much. Do a yum install seahorse (it will have one or two dependencies), use it to set an empty password, then yum remove seahorse and its dependency, and you are done. :-) Would knetworkmanager be any help? I tried it instead of nm-applet, but somehow didn't feel stable enough. Since nm-applet was favored to knetworkmanager on the very KDE spin, I guess the latter is not quite there yet. Besides, I got used to nm-applet, and it works ok for me. This NetworkManager password business seems completely crazy to me. The whole thing has nothing to do with NM itself. The issue is between nm- applet and default keyring (Gnome) or knetworkmanager and kde wallet (KDE). It's all about where to store the wireless keys and who can read them. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Default keyring for NetworkManager
On Sunday 29 November 2009 20:35:51 Timothy Murphy wrote: Marko Vojinovic wrote: So, given that I have autologin set up, it *can* be done. I push the power button on my laptop, wait until the system settles down, and I am logged in, connected to wireless, ktorrent and openvpn are already working, and all is well. The problem was just to move that default keyring thing out of the way. This was solved by making it accept an empty password. How do you make it accept an empty password? I'm writing this from memory, as I deleted seahorse already and cannot start it up. First install seahorse. Then start it. The UI is not quite intuitive, but you should basically see one line in the main part of the window representing the default keys stuff (in my case it was the only line available). Click on it, and then find something like properties or similar. In there you will find an option to change the password. It will open a dialog asking for the old password, and the new one (twice). Type in the old password, leave blank fields for the new one. You should get an are you sure type of warning, but it will accept it on if you insist :-). Close seahorse and uninstall if you wish. That should do it. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Setting up a VM to run an F12 guest on an XP host
On Monday 30 November 2009 00:16:18 john wendel wrote: On 11/29/2009 01:35 PM, Alan Milnes wrote: 2009/11/28 john wendeljwende...@comcast.net: I'd like to run F12 on an XP box (so I can get some work done), could someone point me to the right software. The big problem is that I don't have admin privs on the XP box so I can't install anything. Is it even possible? You don't install F12 from within XP so as long as you can boot from a CD/DVD this won't be an issue. Just boot from a F12 LiveCD and the installer should sort it all out for you - this is called Dual Boot, each time the computer starts you have the choice to run F12 or Windows XP (one will be set as a default and you will have 10 seconds to make a decision when the screen comes up). Unfortunately, there is an intrusion detection system on the network that keeps me from setting up a dual-boot system. If I boot the F12 live cd, my network connection is disabled and the admins come and beat me about the head. So I think running F12 in a VM is going to be the best I can do. Will the admins install, say, VirtualBox on XP if you ask them? If yes, great. If not, they probably have a good reason not to allow running any non-native OS. You should talk to them about it, and ask them to provide you a way of running Fedora. Depending on the type of intrusion-detection system, you just might be able to fool it (if it is stupid enough) --- boot XP, open Control Panel - Network Connections, right-click on the default network connection icon and select status (alternatively you can double-click on two little flashing monitors in the system tray, if they are there). Go to the support tab, click on details and write down all network-related information that is written there. Then boot Fedora Live CD, and reconfigure NetworkManager to use exactly the same data. That just might do the trick. OTOH, maybe it won't be enough. I've seen XP systems which were completely locked up, with no hope of the user doing something other than what is allowed by admins. However, given that you can boot off a CD, your system is not locked up that tight, and that can give you some space for fiddling around. If you are lucky, you might find a hole and exploit it. But do try to talk to admins first, the legal way is always the best way. :-) HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to get FlashPlayer working under 64bit/Fc11
On Saturday 28 November 2009 08:26:51 Reg Clemens wrote: Can someone PLEASE give me detailed instructions on how to get flash-player working on this machine, or point me as some (working) instructions on the web. (1) Clean up all potential mess from previous attempts (like nspluginwrapper, any existing flash plugin etc...). (2) Download the 64bit flash player from here: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10_64bit.html (3) Unpack it, and copy the .so file in /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/ directory: $ gunzip libflashpl* $ tar xvf libflashpl* $ su # cp libflashpl*.so /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/ (you need to be root to perform the copy). (4) Restart firefox. (5) Point it to about:plugins page and make sure that flash plugin is on the list. (6) Go to www.youtube.com and try it out. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Setting up a VM to run XP in an up-to-date F12 box?
On Saturday 28 November 2009 11:21:51 Mike Cloaked wrote: Can someone point me to a good step by step howto to set up Windows XP installed from an iso in a VM in F12 using kvm. There are some XP applications that only work in XP itself rather than in wine or Crossover. I have not tinkered with virtualised machines before so this is a learning curve for me. If this is your first time, I can suggest to try out VirtualBox: yum install VirtualBox-OSE (it's in rpmfusion-free repo). It is far more user-friendly (from my POV) for a first-timer. Read the manuals in order to learn what is possible. After your first install, you'll probably figure out that you could have made better choices in some areas etc., and you'll probably go make another VM, and another, and... :-) I remember that my third VM install was pretty much perfect for me (it was under VMWare at the time). Now under VirtualBox I have it all working, even 3D acceleration (games and such). It's typically faster to install XP from an .iso file than from the CD drive itself. Clean, fast and useful. All in all, it's really easy, and fun to do! :-) It is not clear where the virtualised machine would get installed by default - but it looks like it would be in /var/lib/libvirt/images which is on the root partition in my case so I made a new directory in a bigger partition with plenty of space, and bind mounted it ahead of trying to create a new VM. KVM has that path as default. AFAIK, the problem is that if you change it, SELinux will start yelling at you --- be prepared to deal with it, chcon your custom directory, semanage policies etc... VirtualBox doesn't have those problems. ;-) HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Setting up a VM to run XP in an up-to-date F12 box?
On Saturday 28 November 2009 14:49:44 Mike Cloaked wrote: Interesting replies - thank you - but noticeable that the fedora provided facility of kvm has been mentioned by no-one! As others can say, it requires appropriate hardware, and is a bit rough on the edges. Other than that, the user interface for setting up a VM is not as user- friendly as the one in VirtualBox, hence my suggestion to use the latter, especially if you are a newbie to this. Additionally can you experts tell me whether you can use usbkeys in the VM, In order to have full support for USB you need to use the closed-source VirtualBox from SUN (they have their own yum repo that serves it, look up on www.virtualbox.org). The difference between the closed and open source version is minimal, and consists mainly in support for USB and remote-desktop facility. In other words, install the SUN closed source version, and you have USB. and also whether or not there is communication out of the VM onto the network interface? Of course there is :-) . This is a bit complicated subject, there are four conceptually different ways of setting up networking for the virtual machine. Setting any of them up amounts just to an appropriate click in the wizard, but you need to understand how each functions and decide which is best for you. Only one can be set up for a given VM. They are as follows (N.B. I don't know exact names, I'm writing this from memory): 1) Bridged network --- your VM will have an independent network device which is connected to your ISP directly, on equal footing as your host computer (in reality the same cable/wireless is used, but that is not important). The upside is that it gets to use DHCP and all in the same way as provided to you by your ISP (or router, or whatever you are actually connected to). The guest is visible from the Internet as much as your host machine is. The Internet is visible from the guest as much as it is from the host. The downside is that all communication between your host and guest machines goes through that router: from your VM through host cable to the router and back through host cable to the host network card. This can be a bit inefficient if you have a slow connection and want to transfer inordinate amount of data between host and guest. You can also catch a virus/worm/whatever from the Internet if your guest does not have a proper firewall and stuff. 2) Virtual NAT --- your host will be provided with an additional virtual ethernet device, connected to a virtual switch which is connected to the guest. Imagine that you have two boxes and a switch --- both are connected to each other through a switch, and one (the host) is connected to your ISP with another eth card. That is the setup. The virtual switch provides DHCP for both host and guest (it is automatically set up to not interfere with your ISP's DHCP), sets up host as the guest's gateway and all. The upside is that you have a 1GBit connection between host and guest, regardless of any physical network. The guest is visible only from the host, not from the Internet, while Internet is visible from both (IOW, the virtual switch provides NAT for guest). You cannot catch a virus by just being connected, you need to do something stupid yourself (such as visiting suspicious websites with Internet Explorer or such). I recommend this for simple home use. 3) Host-only network --- same setup as virtual NAT, just guest is not allowed to access the Internet. It can see only the host, nothing else. 4) No networking --- obvious. Since you are a first-timer, go with virtual NAT, and don't worry about anything. :-) Another point I am interested in is whether it is possible to drop a file using the desktop file manager gui from Fedora into the XP VM window and open the file in an app within the XP VM? I'm not sure about dragdrop, as I never use it (even in Linux itself). What you can surely do is to save the file into a shared folder and then dragdrop it from within the VM. It can amount to total of two dragdrops: one on the host (to get the file from the attachment into a shared folder) and one on the guest (to get the file from the shared folder into an app). File sharing is done via samba, you get the Network Neighborhood and all that in XP for the virtual network. It is not on by default, you need to set it up (this was mentioned in the thread). There is also one very useful thing --- copy/paste mechanism works across host/guests, albeit only for text-only contents AFAIK. Copy text here, paste it there, as if on the same machine. This becomes available (along with many other things) once you install guest additions, custom drivers for the guest that make life better and easier. :-) I'd like to know what the limits are for using the VM before going down the road of setting it all up. Imagine two computers connected in a LAN. Anything that you can do with those, you can do in virtualized
Re: How to get FlashPlayer working under 64bit/Fc11
On Saturday 28 November 2009 17:22:05 Reg Clemens wrote: On Saturday 28 November 2009 08:26:51 Reg Clemens wrote: Can someone PLEASE give me detailed instructions on how to get flash-player working on this machine, or point me as some (working) instructions on the web. http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10_64bit.html Instead of getting a screen telling me to load flash-player, I just get an empty light-blue screen, and nothing happens. I've never experienced anything remotely similar to an empty light-blue screen in firefox. It reminds me of a bad setup of direct rendering in graphics drivers, though. Like mplayer displaying a blue screen instead of a movie or such. But nothing like that in a *browser*, ever. I have been testing with CNN news, which is the application I really want to use flash with. There, I get the above behaviour with all video clips. On youtube, mabe 1/2 or 1/3 of the video clips play, but the rest give the blue screen result. I will assume that the ones that play are something other than flash. I don't watch CNN news, but I fired it up now just to check my flash. Everything seems to work, all clips and news, CNN Live streaming, etc... Live streaming is a bit jerky, but I guess that's just because of the bandwidth and such. Every clip on youtube that I tried works. This bluescreen stuff is suspicious. What graphics card do you use? Drivers? Do you have working 2D, 3D, xv in mplayer and such? Any issues with those? Any further thoughts on what I may have missed? Try to use a different browser to testcompare? Konqueror, opera, or such? Point them to the same flash plugin .so and try them out instead? Or yum remove firefox followed by yum install firefox followed by reinstalling the .so ? Or create a new dummy user, log in and try it from there? Btw, I'm on F12, 64bit. Maybe upgrade? Though firefox is the same version, I guess it shouldn't matter... HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Setting up a VM to run XP in an up-to-date F12 box?
On Saturday 28 November 2009 19:01:22 Sam Sharpe wrote: Additionally can you experts tell me whether you can use usbkeys in the VM, In order to have full support for USB you need to use the closed-source VirtualBox from SUN Or... you can use KVM and Fedora's built-in Virt Manager. It does support USB and PCI device passthrough. Or use VMWare, for that matter. :-) I'm not sure where this stuff about VirtualBox being more user-friendly comes from. Maybe I'm not the average user, but there are things I can do with libvirt in Fedora that make it very user friendly, but I don't think the same level of control is available in VirtualBox, so I would rate it as less user-friendly for me. Well, that depends on typical usage scenario. If you are an admin who wants command-line control of headless virtual servers running Linux, libvirt is probably the best/most flexible choice. OTOH, if you are a novice user who wants to virtualize XP and open Word files, you probably prefer an easy GUI with a clever setup wizard and point-and-click configuration options, and you want it to Just Work, with pink flowers and butterflies drawn all around. :-) It all depends on one's definition of user friendly --- user friendly as in simple enough or user friendly as in powerful enough. Like Windows and Linux, VLC and mplayer, postfix and sendmail, Gnome and KDE, Notepad and Emacs... ;-) My advice would be to try using Virt-Manager in Fedora (providing you have recent hardware) and see how you get on. It really really isn't that difficult. If it's not working for you, then investigate VirtualBox or even VMWare Player. Well, I tried them all, albeit not in that order. I entered virtualization world with VMWare, several years ago, and eventually got pissed off with frequent module breakage. Then I tried QEMU, both from command line and from the GUI, and it looked promising up to the point when kernel modules were discontinued. And it didn't have all that fancy stuff like copy/paste, guest resolution flexibility and that unity/seamless guest GUI integration. After I found out that my hardware is not good enough, I tried VirtualBox, and it had it all --- practically the same as VMWare in user experience, while having stable support for kernel modules. So since then I recommend VirtualBox for regular desktop and mixed OS usage. Of course, if you want virtualized Linux servers on a Linux host and have good hardware, KVM is the way to go, or maybe even Xen. But for using an XP guest inside a Fedora host, Virt-Manager is definitely rough around the edges compared to both VMWare and VirtualBox. I would always recommend to a newbie to try one of those two first. At least that is my experience. But the nice thing is that you can use all of them if you like, Linux is all about choice. Each to his own. :-) Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Default keyring for NetworkManager
On each boot nm-applet is asking me for a default keyring password in order to get to the WPA key for my wireless. I have looked around to find something that manages this keyring in order to configure it to allow this access automatically, but to no avail. Finally, I found some instructions in the Fedora wiki, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tools/NetworkManager but they seem to be somewhat outdated. Yum could not find the pam_keyring package in any F12 repositories (is it renamed?), and pam_keyring.so is not provided by any existing package. Also, I use kdm (and KDE) instead of gdm, so not sure if the procedure given in the wiki would apply. Google was not my friend this time. I even went out of my way and searched through the F12 release notes :-) , but found nothing. I simply want to connect to my wireless automatically upon boot and not being asked for any passwords. I have also enabled autologin in kdm in order to get logged in automatically (this works beautifully, btw). So how do I make this work? Is there a way for nm-applet to store the WPA key locally and not use the keyring? Is there a way to tell the keyring that nm- applet does not need a password to access it? I'd be happy with any option that works with no typing involved. Oh, yes, the keyring password is the same as my login password. TIA, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Default keyring for NetworkManager
On Friday 27 November 2009 14:53:44 Sam Varshavchik wrote: Marko Vojinovic writes: I simply want to connect to my wireless automatically upon boot and not being asked for any passwords. I have also enabled autologin in kdm in order to get logged in automatically (this works beautifully, btw). I got this to work myself. However, I think that the only way to both autologin from gdm/kdm, and unlock the keyring, is to set an empty password on your keyring. Use seahorse to set a blank password on your keyring. If it won't let you, delete your keyring completely. On the next login you'll be prompted to create one, create it with a blank password. It works! Great, thanks a lot! :-) The magic word here was seahorse --- actually quite a natural and intuitive name for a keyring manager application, what can I say... It did let me create an empty password, after a couple of are you sure warnings. However since you're on autologin, you never enter your login password. Since your password is encrypted in the password file, certain inconvenient laws of physics that govern our shared universe make it impossible for any app to automatically obtain your cleartext password, and use it to unlock your keyring. That's precisely what I was afraid of --- the system cannot read the password if I don't type it. Way too inconvenient, if you ask me... :-D Thanks again for help! Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: installation through Fedora
On Thursday 26 November 2009 19:45:16 Jerry Ro wrote: On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Mick M. off_b...@yahoo.com wrote: I want to install Windows XP on a computer that currently has only fedora installed. It does not have a CD-ROM (not working) and I cannot boot from disk on key, though I can access a disk on key on fedora. I have no internet connection on that computer, but I can still copy files from another computer through the disk on key. Put the drive into another computer - install - swap it back. My other computer is a laptop, so I can't plug in the drive into it... I don't have other computers. Please avoid top-posting on this list. You might want to read the wikipedia article and list guidelines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Top-posting http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines As for your question, the easiest method is to use a friend's computer to do the installation, or borrow a working CD drive. That would save you from much pain, if possible. If not, there are several things you should consider prior to trying anything out: 1) Running XP inside a virtual machine, instead on native hardware. The upside is that you can use both OSes simultaneously and there is no hassle with repartitioning the drive and booting. The downside is that you probably need at least 2GB of RAM for this to be smooth enough, 1GB to be just possible. And no serious 3D graphics support under XP --- no games and such. 2) Back up all your data. Dual boot setup is always a risky procedure, especially if done the wrong way around (the right way is XP first, Fedora second). 3) If your hardware is old, and I have a feeling that it is, your BIOS might not support booting beyond the 1024th cylinder on the hard drive. This means that you need to squeeze both the XP's C: partition and Fedora's /boot partition in this space. This might not be doable without a complete wipe and repartitioning of the drive. 4) XP installation will not ask you where you want to put the bootloader --- it will go on and overwrite the MBR and GRUB on it. After XP install, Fedora will become inaccessible until you set up GRUB again from a repair CD or something. This is the reason why the install order is XP first, Fedora second. And given that you do not have a CD drive, this can be a big problem. 5) Repartitioning the live and mounted drive is impossible if you are not running LVM on it. If you are, somebody else might instruct you how to free up space for XP, as I am not familiar with LVM. Now, given all that, the installation is pretty much impossible without a working CD drive. Or at least a working floppy drive, if you are adventurous enough. You need to be able to boot the machine off *something* *other* than hard drive in order to perform an OS install on it. Also, you'll most probably going to need a CD drive later in regular work, so it would be a good idea to buy it. Or buy more memory and go virtual. Or try out the famous IFBP (the Insane Floppy Bootstrap Procedure), if you can boot off a floppy drive. The IFBP goes roughly as follows: * backup all data using the usb key to the laptop (the hard drive is going to be wiped out) * find several usable floppy disks * while still in Fedora, download images of Win98 bootdisk and DamnSmallLinux (or equivalents), and copy them all to floppies; double-check and tripple-check that they work ok * boot the machine off the Win98 bootdisk; use fdisk to delete current partition table; create partition to be used for XP later on; leave space for Fedora; format the partition as fat32 * boot off the DamnSmallLinux floppy; hopefully it has support for USB * copy the XP installation on the newly-created partition using the USB drive * boot off the Win98 bootdisk, go to the appropriate directory and start XP installation (by typing setup in the dos prompt, I guess); this should install XP on the drive * boot the XP; transfer the Fedora install image to the hard drive using USB drive * download and install VirtualBox to XP * create small Linux virtual guest in VirtualBox; point it to use physical hard drive for its partitions * install minimal Fedora as a virtual guest on the rest of the hard drive; try to put GRUB in the MBR, if possible --- if not, put it on the first sector of the /boot partition * boot DamnSmallLinux off a floppy, reinstall GRUB to MBR, configure it to chainload XP * boot XP to see if it still works * boot Fedora to see if it works at all * adapt Fedora to run on native hardware; clean up the VirtualBox mess * return the data from the backup Now, if this procedure fails at any step (and I can bet it will), your computer is hosed up, and don't expect anyone to help you pick up the pieces. All in all, I would really consider buying a DVD drive, or going virtual with XP, or just using Fedora as is (ditch the whole idea of XP). The IFBP method given above should just discourage
Activating wireless channels 12 and 13
This is what I found as generic instructions for the iwl3945 driver: quote If you are not in the US, more Wifi channels are available (EU: 13 instead of 11). If you cannot see your Wifi, but you know it is there, check if it is on Channel 12 or 13. To fix, create /etc/modprobe.d/iwl3945-fix and add the following line: options cfg80211 ieee80211_regdom=EU. Reload to the driver for the change to become active: modprobe -r iwl3945, then modprobe iwl3945. /quote However, these instructions are not Fedora-specific and I am not sure how old. So is this the *proper* way to configure this thing in Fedora 12? And btw, IIRC during the installation, anaconda asks me for geographical location (to setup local time or whatever...). If I am somewhere outside US, could this thing be configured automatically? I understand that this is not allowed in US, but is the situation as hopeless as the software patents problem, or can something be done about it? Finally, I am curious --- if I live in Europe, have wireless channels 12 and 13 active by default on my laptop, and then decide to travel to USA for a week, am I breaking some law? I mean *unintentionally*, since I might not be aware of the details of my computer setup? I guess one could ask similar question wrt strong encryption algorithms and other stuff illegal in US-only... So what is the story here? :-) Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: No Flash/sound in F12 Firefox
firefox-3.5.5-1.fc12.x86_64 libflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz Try this one: http://www.verisign.com/domain-name-services/find-registrar/index.html The flash on this page kills my Firefox, with the same plugin version that you're running. Works for me. I am not sure what am I expected to see on the page and how does it fail for you, but I don't see any problem with it. Apparently, the page loaded, I browsed a bit here and there, don't see any problems. Firefox definitely does not crash itself by merely loading this page. Am I supposed to take some specific action to trigger it? HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: No Flash/sound in F12 Firefox
On Monday 23 November 2009 04:46:40 Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 04:21 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: firefox-3.5.5-1.fc12.x86_64 libflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz Does flashplayer appear in your Firefox about:plugin? In mine it does not. Yes, it does appear here: Shockwave Flash File name: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 10.0 r32 MIME Type Description SuffixesEnabled application/x-shockwave-flash Shockwave Flash swf Yes application/futuresplashFutureSplash Player spl Yes Sorry for copy-pasting from a table, it looks ugly in plain text. But definitely, it is registered in about:plugins just as I would expect it to. Did you restart firefox after installing flash plugin? And note, the page is about:plugins, not about:plugin. ;-) HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Installing Sun VirtualBox 3.0.12 and VMware Workstation 7 on Fedora 11 x86_64
On Monday 23 November 2009 10:29:55 Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote: VMware Server 2 is not compatible with Fedora 11 x86_64, i.e. kernels 2.6.29.4 and up. So don't bother to try compiling vmmon modules for VMware Server. If you encounter problems while compiling the vboxdrv and vmmon kernel modules, it may be that your local kernel source tree is not properly configured. In my case: # cd /lib/modules/2.6.30.5-enming.teo # rm build (symbolic link) # ln -s /usr/src/kernels/linux-2.6.30.5 build # rm source (symblic link) # ln -s /usr/src/kernels/linux-2.6.30.5 source Go to your kernel source tree. Some kernel header files may not be present. # cd /usr/src/kernels/linux-2.6.30.5 If .config exists, # make oldconfig # make prepare This will generate the missing kernel headers. Why not just yum groupinstall Development Tools or yum install kernel-headers, which is apparently included in the above group? For VirtualBox, # /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup Above step will recompile linux kernel modules for VirtualBox. There will be 3 kernel modules. To load the vboxdrv kernel module, # /etc/init.d/vboxdrv start If you did the yum thing above *before* installing VirtualBox, there is no need for these steps. Otherwise they are needed, at least I remember doing the first one. I wouldn't know about VMware, gave up on it after having too much trouble with kernel drivers. VirtualBox appears to provide equivalent functionality, and is (mostly) open source, so I don't expect the same trouble with building kernel modules. ;-) HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F12 installs report here.
Subject says it all. Tell us about your experience. Just installed Fedora 12 on Fujitsu-Siemens Esprimo U9200 laptop (2GB RAM). Clean install from x86-64 KDE Live CD, immediately followed by a yum update. In short, everything works flawlessly! Many thanks to all Fedora devs!! :-) Specifics: - KDE is impressive and more powerful than ever - Pulseaudio Just Works - Intel graphics drivers Just Work --- no random freezing (GM965 chipset) - 3D accelerated graphics Just Works (KDE, Compiz and all...) - WirelessNM Just Work - ext4 filesystem Just Works (on all partitions, with GRUB, etc.) - SELinux policy Just Works (no complaints so far) The non-free specifics: - 64-bit flash plugin Just Works, with pulseaudio and all - mplayer Just Works (inside Compiz --- no picture jittering) - and the BIGGEST SURPRISE: SKYPE JUST WORKS !!! :-D Even more, it cooperates beautifully with pulseaudio, shares sound with other audio apps (XMMS, KDE notifications, etc..), and this is the very first time I can hear it ringing while listening to some music or watching a movie. I just had a skype-phonecall with a friend of mine, while XMMS was playing some ambiental music in the background. I reduced its volume somewhat, courtesy of pulseaudio, in order to have a comfortable conversation over skype. And as my friend told me about some website to visit, I opened it in firefox and heard audio from some flash stuff on the web page. And everything coexisted without even a hiccup! The only volume mixer I ever started in F12 was pavucontrol, and even that only to adjust the microphone level. I used app-native volume sliders in all audio apps, and it all also Just Worked. I could see the volume slider in pavucontrol moving in sync as I move the XMMS volume slider, and vice versa. Ok, just to be fair, skype did require some nontrivial work to get installed, and I am about to post the detailed HOWTO in a new thread. And there is just one thing I dislike --- in order to make skype happy, I had to taint my new and beautiful x86_64 system with a lot of ugly .i686 packages. Specifically, yum pulled in a total [r...@yoda ~]# rpm -qa | grep .i686 | wc -l 86 of those, mostly various libs, on an otherwise crystal-clear 64-bit system. Oh, yeah, there was also this thing with renaming LVDS and VGA outputs into LVDS1 and VGA1, which broke all my custom scripts involving xrandr, but that was easy to fix after I figured out that the syntax is now different. It did take some amount of head-scratching to figure it out, though... ;-) All in all, F12 appears to be a fantastic release! THANKS EVERYBODY!!! And keep up the good work! :-) Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Skype HOWTO for Fedora 12, 64-bit
Before anyone starts asking, this is what you need to do to make skype work on a 64-bit F12: (1) Make sure that you have a working sound, pulseaudio and all. (2) Download the latest skype rpm for Fedora, from skype website. At the moment, it is the skype-2.1.0.47-fc10.i586.rpm for Fedora 10. (3) Do a yum install of the following: glibc.i686 alsa-lib.i686 libXv.i686 libXScrnSaver.i686 qt.i686 qt-x11.i686 alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i686 libv4l.i686 This will pull in cca 86 or so .i686 packages, mostly libraries. (4) Go to a directory where you downloaded the skype rpm. Do a yum --nogpgcheck localinstall skype-2.1.0.47-fc10.i586.rpm. (5) Start skype in a terminal. It should Just Work, using default devices for audio input and output (AFAICS, pulse will be chosen automatically). Test sound and test call should also work out-of-the-box. At least they did for me... If it Just Works, you don't need to start it from the terminal anymore. If it doesn't Just Work, you will probably see a message in the terminal complaining about not finding somelibrary.so or similar. In that case: (5a) Do a yum whatprovides somelibrary.so. Yum should reply with somepackage.i686 that provides that library. (5b) Do a yum install somepackage.i686, and restart skype. (5c) Repeat (5a)-(5b) until skype stops complaining. But the packages from step (3) should cover mostly all dependencies. That's it. This was tested and verified to work on a clean install of F12 from a 64-bit KDE Live CD, of course after a full yum update. Anyone having positive/negative experience with other (non-KDE, non-clean-install) setups, feel free to share. Enjoy! :-) Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: No Flash/sound in F12 Firefox
On Monday 23 November 2009 01:20:22 Sam Varshavchik wrote: Can someone post a few URLs of websites where the x86_64 flash plugin actually works? For example, http://www.youtube.com/ http://isohunt.com/ http://www.formula1.com/ to name a few. Any site with flash I came across works without any problems here. firefox-3.5.5-1.fc12.x86_64 libflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: trying to understand SELinux message
On Tuesday 17 November 2009 06:02:05 Tim wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 20:21 -0800, Paul Allen Newell wrote: I'm old-school Unix where the only way some things could be fixed was to su to root and it was just easier for big tasks to log in as root. As has been pointed out, it's rarely necessary. There's one area where I a graphical root user is useful, mass file managing where you can't use wild cards to do the job. But you don't need to log in graphically as root to do these things. Find a decent file manager, not Nautilus, then just start it off from the command line. I use krusader for file management (two-panel, midnight-commander-like style...). It has a run as root option somewhere in the menus, if I really need root privileges. However, I don't remember when was the last time I needed them. :-) Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: trying to understand SELinux message
On Monday 16 November 2009 05:22:34 Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote: You can try to disable SELinux in /etc/selinux/config or in /boot/grub/grub.conf. [snip] You shouldn't start X server or login to GNOME as root. Logging as root in X is certainly a bad idea, mainly for security reasons. Disabling SELinux is an equally bad idea, also for those same security reasons. Why do you advise for one and against the other? It looks inconsistent to me. The fact that OP broke one rule and logged in a GUI as root made the other protection layer yell at him about that. And when he asks what is going on, your advice is to shut down that other layer. But given that the OP is apparently a newbie and is not aware of good security practices, this is quite a Bad Idea, since it opens a door for him to break his system even more. My advice would be to keep SELinux on, and refrain from using X as root. That provides good system security (both from others and yourself). Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: trying to understand SELinux message
On Monday 16 November 2009 05:47:43 Paul Allen Newell wrote: I am not certain why I would want to disable SELinux as it clearly is part of the Fedora package and is trying to tell me that something isn't right. Good thinking. You definitely do not want to disable SELinux. It is there for a good reason, even if one doesn't know the details of what that reason is. Yes, I know I should not start X server or login as root ... So why did you do it then? Disabled root GUI is also the default for a reason, just as SELinux. They are multiple protective layers that try to secure your system from any malicious activity, including your own. and that is not my normal work habit. But I would expect that I should still be able to do such and not have SELinux bark unless there was something wrong. It is the what is wrong that I am trying to understand and correct. What is wrong (technically) is you moving files across directories without changing their SELinux context appropriately. At least that appears so based on the info you provided. However... What is wrong (essentially) is precisely logging in as root in a GUI. This is disabled by default in Fedora, and SELinux policy assumes you run the default configuration. Once you enabled root GUI and started poking around in it, it was just a matter of time before SELinux starts yelling at you doing this or that wrong. I cannot tell exactly what SELinux is complaining about until you provide some setroubleshoot info, but it is definitely because you logged in a GUI as root, played around with things and then did something SELinux doesn't like. And it will keep happening over and over unless you stop using root GUI. If you are more familiar with Windows world, this would be like logging in with admin privileges, disabling antivirus software and automatic updates, and then asking why does the system keep alerting me that security might be compromised?. Well, you compromised it. So much for understanding. As for correcting the error, I can advise the following: 1) Find all files that you have been mv-ing as root, and move them back to their original location. 2) Stop using root GUI. 3) Learn that mv keeps SELinux labels in contrast to cp which changes them appropriately. Understand that this is intentional feature of mv and cp. The file and directory labels are displayed by ll -Z. 4) Whenever you need root access use su - to log in as root, or learn to configure and use sudo. Use only your normal user account for GUI. 5) For regular system administration you don't even need to use su and sudo, because the system should ask you for the root password whenever you start a GUI app that needs elevated privileges. 6) If SELinux keeps complaining more, learn how to use setroubleshoot utility and post the output here on the list. People will help you correct it all, but only after you make sure not to produce any more problems by using root GUI. HTH. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: trying to understand SELinux message
On Monday 16 November 2009 06:27:27 Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) wrote: From Wikipedia: “...given the threat models and capabilities of the adversaries involved, that's probably appropriate... But that’s not necessarily appropriate for all users. SELINUX is so horrible to use, that after wasting a large amount of time enabling it and then watching all of my applications die a horrible death since they didn't have the appropriate hand-crafted security policy, caused me to swear off of it. For me, given my threat model and how much my time is worth, life is too short for SELinux.” — Theodore Ts’o This is utter bullshit. I wonder why nobody edited this out of Wikipedia by now... Yes, in the early days SELinux was rough around the edges here and there, but not today. And yes, SELinux does have a learning curve, but by now there are plenty of nice GUI tools that help people deal with it without actually having to learn the internals, changing the policy manually, etc. This is FUD, please stop spreading it. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Saving Flash
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Fennix cn.ste...@gmail.com wrote: Why does no-one answer the question? I can give two reasons: 1) The video in the link provided by OP is broken, and apparently cannot be played outside Canada. So the majority of people on this list cannot reproduce the problem the OP is having. And the generic answer has already been posted, for google-impaired people, a millionth time now. 2) The OP could simply ask please help me download the video from this link, without the political bloat in the message subject and body. The fact that he insisted on it even after being warned that people on this list are not interested in discussing politics marks him as a troll in people's eyes, so nobody wishes to engage in the discussion. There must be some better ways than just browsing through the /tmp/cache directories to (hopefully) find the correct file. I also would like to know a better way to do this. Oh, please, it's just copying one file from the /tmp directory! If you want a GUI for this, create a button in your favourite launcher and have it execute cp /tmp/Flash* ~ Then, when you want to save some flash video you are watching in the browser, wait until it is buffered completely, and then click the damn button. It really cannot get any simpler than that. Of course, you can always make it more complicated, by having a GUI that will ask you to name the file, wait until it is completely buffered, handle multiple simultaneous flash videos from several browsers, have a trillion of useless clickable configuration options, cook a coffee for you while you wait, watch over your kid while you are watching videos, etc, but I think it is just not worth the effort. Those who think it is worth the effort should create a bash script that does all that and have that script invoked with the button. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How do I share a wireless network connection with a wired device ?
On Friday 13 November 2009 02:14:54 Linuxguy123 wrote: My wireless router is giving my laptop an IP of 192.168.1.x. So I gave my wired port an address of 192.168.0.0 in NetworkManager. ^^^ I certainly hope the .0.0 is a typo... On my device, I set its IP address to 192.168.0.10, subnet mask to 255.255.255.0 and gateway to 192.168.0.1 because that is the laptops wired port. You probably also want to manually configure the DNS servers on the device. Use the same numbers that are set for your wireless (as given by your ISP). Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problems with yum update (iptstate)
On Wednesday 11 November 2009 22:40:46 Kam Leo wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On 11/12/2009 03:12 AM, Kam Leo wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Patrick: Please don't post HTML to this list. See the Guidelines. Those of you who object to HTML formatted messages can help this list. You can a) add a filter and delete them from your mailbox or b) not reply, Doing both would be a good thing. .. or everybody can just follow the guidelines http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines#No_HTML_M ail.2C_Please Rahul That's asking a lot from users who only have a GUI based computing experience. Many don't have a clue as to what HTML is. Ignorance is not an excuse. Those users should be warned and politely pointed to documentation so they can learn. The fact that you might not be familiar with traffic rules does not mean you are allowed to go through a red light. And it is a Very Good Thing if someone tells you that you need to learn the rules and adjust your behavior. Posting in HTML on this list is not a life threatening thing, however, and so we don't have strict rules or laws, but only guidelines. Nevertheless, everyone should familiarize with them, it is good social behavior. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....
On Wednesday 11 November 2009 22:35:14 Michael Pawlowsky wrote: The constant upgrades are driving me nuts. We have machines at FC8-FC9- FC10 and FC-11. The main reason we are using FC is because one it's free (in a sense). The next one is that it does include more recent versions of packages that we use and are looking for the latest versions to take advantage of some new features and so on. How do you expect to get the latest version of anything while not upgrading? Not upgrading and getting fresh packages are sometimes mutually exclusive options. But now since FC8 is no longer being supported, it has caused some real issues. One main one is that yum is not updated and even rpm packages that we create ourselves will no longer install on it. F8 is way unsupported. F9 as well. F10 will be supported only for a couple of months more. Every Fedora release has 13 months life cycle. That is the price of having cutting edge software. So basically we are in a never ending cycles of upgrades. And since we have had bad experiences trying to upgrade over the last version, our policy is to back up the data, re-install and put back in all the data. I agree, clean install is always the safest way. Upgrading is getting better and better, but there might always be some unknown quirks. I'm thinking of trying ESXi to make installing quicker. Reconfigure an new image locally, clone it and push it to the virtual server. That is also a good idea if you have good enough hardware to make it useful, and want to minimize downtime. Also, I am wondering why it is not possible to simply keep upgrading packages, kernel and so on, as opposed to coming up with new versions every six months. Because sometimes a new version of something requires a completely different infrastructure which is incompatible with the old one. For example, you cannot go from ext3 filesystem to ext4 without reformatting the drive. You cannot upgrade glibc without a complete rebuild of the whole system that relies on it. You cannot go from static dev to udev functionality without a reinstall. There are many more examples. Being cutting edge, Fedora sometimes needs an inside-out redesigning to adapt to new, latest technology and software. This redesigning is sometimes conceptually incompatible with the old design, and requires a new Fedora release and hence an upgrade. To make things more difficult, our servers need to be up 24/7. Is FC simply a bad choice for enterprise production. In most cases, yes. If you want long-term stability, I can recommend CentOS, but then give up on having latestgreatest software. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....
On Thursday 12 November 2009 01:29:19 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 23:31 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: For example, you cannot go from ext3 filesystem to ext4 without reformatting the drive. Actually you can, so it's not a good example for the point you're making (and which I agree with BTW). Oh, right, I got mixed up with that. The ext4 thing was actually related to grub and boot partition, and I didn't think twice... Thanks for the correction! :-) Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Executing ImageMagick
On Tuesday 10 November 2009 21:17:15 Jim wrote: If it's a command line tool, then imagemagick isn't the execute command, because it won't execute. What would the command be ? Please RTFM, man ImageMagick. ImageMagick is a name for a whole suite of individual command-line tools, namely: convert, identify, composite, montage, compare, display, animate, import, conjure, quantize, miff. Also do a man on each of these to see detailed explanation for individual commands. You do know what man is and how to use it, right? If not, type man man in the command prompt (without quotes), press enter and read on. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Samba with Windows XP client
On Tuesday 03 November 2009 13:56:03 Timothy Murphy wrote: Bengt-Erik Soderstrom wrote: There is, perhaps, an easier way: Use the Gnome desktop. Click Places in the menu. Click Network. Find your Windows computer. Windows-Network then Resource MSHome then the computer name MyComputer and voila: You have access to all the files you have defined to be shared on your Windows computer! Of course, resource name and computer name will most certainly be different for you. Is there a KDE equivalent? Open Dolphin, choose menu View - Panels - Places (or press F9). A places panel opens up on the left side of the window. From there, browse Network - Samba Shares - your workgroup - your Windows machine. It should Just Work. At least it does for me. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
