Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
Erik P. Olsen wrote: > On 27/08/09 02:25, stan wrote: >> Problem solved. >> > > Not really. But thanks a lot for your help. You and Mikkel have given me the > insight needed to understand what PulseAudio and Alsa is all about. > > I've seen that PA will only connect to card 0 which is the mobo audio chip. > When I plug the speakers to that card I have sound through PA all right. The > downside of it is that it is not what I want because the sound is much > better through CS46xx (card 1). > > I have not yet switched from F10 to F11 and won't do that until I can get > sound from CS46xx. Incidentally on F10 I can only get sound from CS46xx and > only through Alsa :-) > You should be able to change the order of the cards. In F10 it is system-config-soundcard under the settings tab. I am not sure what it is in F11. I have not tested it, but I think you can also create a file in /etc/modprobe.d with the aliases for the sound card as long as they use different drivers. If you can not set the order of the sound cards, you always have the option of exiting /etc/pulse/client.conf and defining "default-sink = " to the second sound card. I believe you can do that from pavucontrol - in the dropdown by the sink devices. I noticed in F11 that they changed the way they display the sink/sources - they no longer give the card name. When I get some time, I will write more detailed instructions if you need them. (Sorry for the long delay between posts - things have been busy!) Mikkel -- Yes, I'm a dirty old man ... and I'll be one until I'm a DEAD old man! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:37:01 +0200 "Erik P. Olsen" wrote: > On 27/08/09 02:25, stan wrote: > > > > Problem solved. > > > > Not really. But thanks a lot for your help. You and Mikkel have given > me the insight needed to understand what PulseAudio and Alsa is all > about. I misunderstood (or forgot over the course of the 'conversation') what you wanted. I thought you wanted to have pulse through the onboard card and alsa through the CS46xx. Mostly that you wanted alsa throught he CS46xx. > > I've seen that PA will only connect to card 0 which is the mobo audio > chip. When I plug the speakers to that card I have sound through PA > all right. The downside of it is that it is not what I want because > the sound is much better through CS46xx (card 1). You should file a bug against pulseaudio for this at http://bugzilla.redhat.com Pulse should be recognizing your CS46xx, because alsa is. And if you don't bring it to their attention, it probably won't in F12 either. > > I have not yet switched from F10 to F11 and won't do that until I can > get sound from CS46xx. Incidentally on F10 I can only get sound from > CS46xx and only through Alsa :-) The pulse volume control has the same problem there? Note that in the bug you file. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
On 27/08/09 02:25, stan wrote: > > Problem solved. > Not really. But thanks a lot for your help. You and Mikkel have given me the insight needed to understand what PulseAudio and Alsa is all about. I've seen that PA will only connect to card 0 which is the mobo audio chip. When I plug the speakers to that card I have sound through PA all right. The downside of it is that it is not what I want because the sound is much better through CS46xx (card 1). I have not yet switched from F10 to F11 and won't do that until I can get sound from CS46xx. Incidentally on F10 I can only get sound from CS46xx and only through Alsa :-) -- Erik. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 01:29:24 +0200 "Erik P. Olsen" wrote: > > Yes, that works but audacity is the only application on my system that I know that xmms (called audio player) in the menu has the ability to select this also. I haven't looked at other applications, but I assume they might have some configuration option for this too (after all this is linux). The asound.conf you posted for Mikkel is using pulse as the default device, so anything pointing to default (most sound applications) will try to use pulse. They will then play through the card 0. There is a way to script around this, but better to set them explicitly to the CS46 if you can. Do a search on default alsa .asoundrc and you will find solutions if you want to go this route. > allows this hw:1,0 specification. I assume it bypasses PulseAudio. > Could it be that PulseAudio is only able to talk to card 0? That is exactly what the data you posted says. And that is why I think you shouldn't turn card 0 off. Let pulse use that card for whatever the system wants. It is silent because there are no speakers, but it will keep the system happy. It wanted to play a sound and thinks it did. For some reason, on your system, pulse doesn't discover the CS46 even though alsa identifies it correctly and loads the correct driver. Problem solved. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
On 26/08/09 00:51, stan wrote: > No idea? It should be turned off. Run > alsamixer -c 1 > and use the arrow keys to go to the entries that have IEC958 in them. > Use 0 to turn them off, and down arrow to lower volumes if necessary. > Do the same procedure with > alsamixer -c 0 Done. >> In the tab "Output Devices" I also see two areas, the first named >> "Simultaneous output or internal Audio" and the next "internal >> Audio". Which devices do they relate to? > > The internal sound device, the one on the motherboard. This is card 0 and the one I want to disable. > > It doesn't sound like you need to disable the CS46 in pulse because it > isn't seeing it anyway, though alsa is. There is probably a bug there, > but it suits your purposes. CS46xx is card 1 and that's where the speakers are connected. > > So after the above adjustments, if you use a sound application, say > audacity, and go into Edit -> Preferences and change the output device > to alsa hw:1,0, import a sound file, it should play. Or do the > equivalent with another sound application. And aplay -D plughw:1,0 > some.wav should play sound. If the CS46 card is connected to speakers > or an amp or tuner (i.e. it has a way to actually *play* the sound). Yes, that works but audacity is the only application on my system that allows this hw:1,0 specification. I assume it bypasses PulseAudio. Could it be that PulseAudio is only able to talk to card 0? -- Erik. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
On 26/08/09 18:56, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> Erik P. Olsen wrote:
>> On 25/08/09 03:20, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
>>> Dumb question - what do you get when you run "aplay -l"?
>> List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices
> <[ SNIP ]>
>
> That looks good. One other thing to check is the contents of
> /etc/asound.conf. I ran into a problem with this file once where it
> was pointing to the wrong device, messing up all sound.
My asound.conf is as follows, and I have no .asoundrc file:
#
# Place your global alsa-lib configuration here...
#
@hooks [
{
func load
files [
"/etc/alsa/pulse-default.conf"
]
errors false
}
]
pcm.pulse {
type pulse
}
ctl.pulse {
type pulse
}
Does this look correct?
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Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:08:11 +0100 Anne Wilson wrote: > On Tuesday 25 August 2009 23:51:03 stan wrote: > > No idea? It should be turned off. Run > > alsamixer -c 1 > > and use the arrow keys to go to the entries that have IEC958 in > > them. Use 0 to turn them off, and down arrow to lower volumes if > > necessary. > > Unless something has changed from the old alsamixer, 'M' mutes any > channel. > > Anne Thanks Anne. You are right. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
Erik P. Olsen wrote: > On 25/08/09 03:20, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >> Dumb question - what do you get when you run "aplay -l"? > > List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices <[ SNIP ]> That looks good. One other thing to check is the contents of /etc/asound.conf. I ran into a problem with this file once where it was pointing to the wrong device, messing up all sound. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
On Tuesday 25 August 2009 23:51:03 stan wrote: > No idea? It should be turned off. Run > alsamixer -c 1 > and use the arrow keys to go to the entries that have IEC958 in them. > Use 0 to turn them off, and down arrow to lower volumes if necessary. Unless something has changed from the old alsamixer, 'M' mutes any channel. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:24:57 +0200 "Erik P. Olsen" wrote: > I have no idea whether digital output should be turned on or off. It > has never been an issue before (up to Fedora 10 that is). Actually I > don't even know the mechanism for turning it off. No idea? It should be turned off. Run alsamixer -c 1 and use the arrow keys to go to the entries that have IEC958 in them. Use 0 to turn them off, and down arrow to lower volumes if necessary. Do the same procedure with alsamixer -c 0 > Using pavucontrol -> Configuration I see two lines both saying > "internal Audio". Do they refer to the two sound cards? And if so > which is which? > They refer only to the internal audio card that you want pulse to use. One of them is probably analog, and one of them is probably digital. After the above you should only have the analog entry. > In the tab "Output Devices" I also see two areas, the first named > "Simultaneous output or internal Audio" and the next "internal > Audio". Which devices do they relate to? The internal sound device, the one on the motherboard. It doesn't sound like you need to disable the CS46 in pulse because it isn't seeing it anyway, though alsa is. There is probably a bug there, but it suits your purposes. So after the above adjustments, if you use a sound application, say audacity, and go into Edit -> Preferences and change the output device to alsa hw:1,0, import a sound file, it should play. Or do the equivalent with another sound application. And aplay -D plughw:1,0 some.wav should play sound. If the CS46 card is connected to speakers or an amp or tuner (i.e. it has a way to actually *play* the sound). -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
On 25/08/09 18:27, stan wrote: > On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:56:21 +0200 > "Erik P. Olsen" wrote: > >> I've run the script and it shows both sound cards. I think the output >> is too large for the mailing list so I have sent it directly to you >> (Stan). I hope you don't mind. >> >> Thanks for your help. > > I received it, and sure enough, it shows two sound cards are there. But > they are named the same as they were when you said you couldn't find the > CS46 card. > > It looks like you have IEC958 (digital) output turned on. Is there a > reason for this? If not, you should turn it off. And make sure > that any sound applications and pulse are using this device with > subdevice 0, PCM (analog) instead of subdevice 1, IEC958 (digital). > This could be the reason you are not getting any sound. I have no idea whether digital output should be turned on or off. It has never been an issue before (up to Fedora 10 that is). Actually I don't even know the mechanism for turning it off. > The setup looks fine for disabling the second card in pulse, the CS46, > and using it strictly with alsa. Using pavucontrol -> Configuration I see two lines both saying "internal Audio". Do they refer to the two sound cards? And if so which is which? In the tab "Output Devices" I also see two areas, the first named "Simultaneous output or internal Audio" and the next "internal Audio". Which devices do they relate to? It's as if there is one solution only and hundreds of pitfalls, sigh. > > So, do the instructions work? > Unfortunately not. -- Erik. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:56:21 +0200 "Erik P. Olsen" wrote: > > I've run the script and it shows both sound cards. I think the output > is too large for the mailing list so I have sent it directly to you > (Stan). I hope you don't mind. > > Thanks for your help. I received it, and sure enough, it shows two sound cards are there. But they are named the same as they were when you said you couldn't find the CS46 card. It looks like you have IEC958 (digital) output turned on. Is there a reason for this? If not, you should turn it off. And make sure that any sound applications and pulse are using this device with subdevice 0, PCM (analog) instead of subdevice 1, IEC958 (digital). This could be the reason you are not getting any sound. Simple mixer control 'IEC958',0 Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Mono Mono: Playback [on] Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Input',0 Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Mono Mono: Playback [on] Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Output',0 Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined Playback channels: Mono Mono: Playback [on] The setup looks fine for disabling the second card in pulse, the CS46, and using it strictly with alsa. So, do the instructions work? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
On 25/08/09 02:54, stan wrote: > On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:58:32 +0200 > "Erik P. Olsen" wrote: > >> I appreciate all the help you've given me but I haven't seen the >> light yet. >> > > I gave you some bad information in my original post. I thought it was > the manager that allowed me to turn devices off in pulseaudio. It was > the PulseAudio Volume Control. > > Applications -> Sound and Video -> PulseAudio Volume Control > > First select the Output Devices tab and make sure the drop down in the > lower right corner is set to All output devices. > Then select the Configuration tab. If you right click on the device you > want Pulse to ignore, at the bottom of the menu is an off selection. > Pulse won't know about that device if you turn it off. If you want to > have pulse replace the default device in alsa you can do some scripting > in .asoundrc to make it happen (I won't go into it here), or you can > make sure that the device you want pulse to ignore is device 1. The > default device in alsa is always device 0 unless you script it > differently. In this case, pulse will use device 0 to play and you can > play using alsa with device 1. > > But it sounds like you have another problem. That all your sound > devices aren't being recognized. Run the script at the link below. It > will put a text file in /tmp/alsa-info.txt with information about your > system. If the card you want isn't in that file that means it is not > recognized by alsa and you will not be able to use it. If it is a plug > in card, remove it and plug it back in just before you run the script. > > http://git.alsa-project.org/?p=alsa-driver.git;a=blob_plain;f=utils/alsa-info.sh > I've run the script and it shows both sound cards. I think the output is too large for the mailing list so I have sent it directly to you (Stan). I hope you don't mind. Thanks for your help. -- Erik. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
On 25/08/09 03:20, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > Erik P. Olsen wrote: >> On 24/08/09 21:50, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >>> It is configured to do that by default. Your sound cards should be >>> listed in the Output Devices tab of pavucontrol. It will not be >>> listed as Alsa but it will show each output card Alsa knows about, >>> as well as any network output streams you have set up. You will see >>> the Alsa input cards on the Input Devices tab, as well as incoming >>> network streams. >> In the Output Devices tab of pavucontrol I only see "RTP Multicast Sink" and >> "Internal Audio" and I don't know what they are. My output cards are Sound >> Fusion CS46xx and VIA 8237 and the latter is not used, in fact it is >> disabled in BIOS but a bug lets in stay enabled, so I need to be able to >> specify CS46xx. >> >> It's getting embarrassing. I still don't see how the various elements >> interact: the hardware sound cards, Alsa, PulseAudio, and the media player. >> I really don't think I ought to understand how they interact to get sound >> out of my speakers. But I am completely lost. I don't know where to start >> and where to end yet I am determined to find my way through the wilderness. >> >> I appreciate all the help you've given me but I haven't seen the light yet. >> > Dumb question - what do you get when you run "aplay -l"? List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 0: V8237 [VIA 8237], device 0: VIA 8237 [VIA 8237] Subdevices: 4/4 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 Subdevice #2: subdevice #2 Subdevice #3: subdevice #3 card 0: V8237 [VIA 8237], device 1: VIA 8237 [VIA 8237] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: CS46xx [Sound Fusion CS46xx], device 0: CS46xx [CS46xx] Subdevices: 31/31 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 Subdevice #2: subdevice #2 Subdevice #3: subdevice #3 Subdevice #4: subdevice #4 Subdevice #5: subdevice #5 Subdevice #6: subdevice #6 Subdevice #7: subdevice #7 Subdevice #8: subdevice #8 Subdevice #9: subdevice #9 Subdevice #10: subdevice #10 Subdevice #11: subdevice #11 Subdevice #12: subdevice #12 Subdevice #13: subdevice #13 Subdevice #14: subdevice #14 Subdevice #15: subdevice #15 Subdevice #16: subdevice #16 Subdevice #17: subdevice #17 Subdevice #18: subdevice #18 Subdevice #19: subdevice #19 Subdevice #20: subdevice #20 Subdevice #21: subdevice #21 Subdevice #22: subdevice #22 Subdevice #23: subdevice #23 Subdevice #24: subdevice #24 Subdevice #25: subdevice #25 Subdevice #26: subdevice #26 Subdevice #27: subdevice #27 Subdevice #28: subdevice #28 Subdevice #29: subdevice #29 Subdevice #30: subdevice #30 card 1: CS46xx [Sound Fusion CS46xx], device 1: CS46xx - Rear [CS46xx - Rear] Subdevices: 31/31 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 Subdevice #1: subdevice #1 Subdevice #2: subdevice #2 Subdevice #3: subdevice #3 Subdevice #4: subdevice #4 Subdevice #5: subdevice #5 Subdevice #6: subdevice #6 Subdevice #7: subdevice #7 Subdevice #8: subdevice #8 Subdevice #9: subdevice #9 Subdevice #10: subdevice #10 Subdevice #11: subdevice #11 Subdevice #12: subdevice #12 Subdevice #13: subdevice #13 Subdevice #14: subdevice #14 Subdevice #15: subdevice #15 Subdevice #16: subdevice #16 Subdevice #17: subdevice #17 Subdevice #18: subdevice #18 Subdevice #19: subdevice #19 Subdevice #20: subdevice #20 Subdevice #21: subdevice #21 Subdevice #22: subdevice #22 Subdevice #23: subdevice #23 Subdevice #24: subdevice #24 Subdevice #25: subdevice #25 Subdevice #26: subdevice #26 Subdevice #27: subdevice #27 Subdevice #28: subdevice #28 Subdevice #29: subdevice #29 Subdevice #30: subdevice #30 card 1: CS46xx [Sound Fusion CS46xx], device 2: CS46xx - IEC958 [CS46xx - IEC958] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 -- Erik. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
Erik P. Olsen wrote: > On 24/08/09 21:50, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >> It is configured to do that by default. Your sound cards should be >> listed in the Output Devices tab of pavucontrol. It will not be >> listed as Alsa but it will show each output card Alsa knows about, >> as well as any network output streams you have set up. You will see >> the Alsa input cards on the Input Devices tab, as well as incoming >> network streams. > > In the Output Devices tab of pavucontrol I only see "RTP Multicast Sink" and > "Internal Audio" and I don't know what they are. My output cards are Sound > Fusion CS46xx and VIA 8237 and the latter is not used, in fact it is > disabled in BIOS but a bug lets in stay enabled, so I need to be able to > specify CS46xx. > > It's getting embarrassing. I still don't see how the various elements > interact: the hardware sound cards, Alsa, PulseAudio, and the media player. > I really don't think I ought to understand how they interact to get sound > out of my speakers. But I am completely lost. I don't know where to start > and where to end yet I am determined to find my way through the wilderness. > > I appreciate all the help you've given me but I haven't seen the light yet. > Dumb question - what do you get when you run "aplay -l"? It looks like Alsa may not be configured correctly. For example, on this machine I see "ATI IXP - ATI IXP AC97" under the Output Devices tab. Under the Input Devices tab, I have "ATI IXP - ATI IXP AC97" and "Brooktree Bt878 - Bt87x Digital" - I do not have any network source/sinks set up on this machine. The "RTP Multicast Sink" sends sound over the network. I am surprised that you have it enabled... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:58:32 +0200 "Erik P. Olsen" wrote: > I appreciate all the help you've given me but I haven't seen the > light yet. > I gave you some bad information in my original post. I thought it was the manager that allowed me to turn devices off in pulseaudio. It was the PulseAudio Volume Control. Applications -> Sound and Video -> PulseAudio Volume Control First select the Output Devices tab and make sure the drop down in the lower right corner is set to All output devices. Then select the Configuration tab. If you right click on the device you want Pulse to ignore, at the bottom of the menu is an off selection. Pulse won't know about that device if you turn it off. If you want to have pulse replace the default device in alsa you can do some scripting in .asoundrc to make it happen (I won't go into it here), or you can make sure that the device you want pulse to ignore is device 1. The default device in alsa is always device 0 unless you script it differently. In this case, pulse will use device 0 to play and you can play using alsa with device 1. But it sounds like you have another problem. That all your sound devices aren't being recognized. Run the script at the link below. It will put a text file in /tmp/alsa-info.txt with information about your system. If the card you want isn't in that file that means it is not recognized by alsa and you will not be able to use it. If it is a plug in card, remove it and plug it back in just before you run the script. http://git.alsa-project.org/?p=alsa-driver.git;a=blob_plain;f=utils/alsa-info.sh -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
On 24/08/09 21:50, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > Erik P. Olsen wrote: >> I am getting more confused now. How do I then tell PulseAudio to talk to >> alsa? >> > It is configured to do that by default. Your sound cards should be > listed in the Output Devices tab of pavucontrol. It will not be > listed as Alsa but it will show each output card Alsa knows about, > as well as any network output streams you have set up. You will see > the Alsa input cards on the Input Devices tab, as well as incoming > network streams. In the Output Devices tab of pavucontrol I only see "RTP Multicast Sink" and "Internal Audio" and I don't know what they are. My output cards are Sound Fusion CS46xx and VIA 8237 and the latter is not used, in fact it is disabled in BIOS but a bug lets in stay enabled, so I need to be able to specify CS46xx. It's getting embarrassing. I still don't see how the various elements interact: the hardware sound cards, Alsa, PulseAudio, and the media player. I really don't think I ought to understand how they interact to get sound out of my speakers. But I am completely lost. I don't know where to start and where to end yet I am determined to find my way through the wilderness. I appreciate all the help you've given me but I haven't seen the light yet. -- Erik. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
Erik P. Olsen wrote: > > I am getting more confused now. How do I then tell PulseAudio to talk to alsa? > It is configured to do that by default. Your sound cards should be listed in the Output Devices tab of pavucontrol. It will not be listed as Alsa but it will show each output card Alsa knows about, as well as any network output streams you have set up. You will see the Alsa input cards on the Input Devices tab, as well as incoming network streams. Please note - you can have cards that are input only or output only. My TV tuner shows up only as an input device. Mikkel PS - there are also tweaks you can do to Alsa so that devices that output to Alsa are redirected to PA... -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
On 24/08/09 10:56, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > On Monday 24 August 2009 08:36:47 Erik P. Olsen wrote: >> On 23/08/09 16:19, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >>> Erik P. Olsen wrote: On 23/08/09 00:59, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > There are both system wide and user preference settings. For user > preferences, I like to use pavucontrol (Applications --> Sound & > Video --> PulseAudio Volume Control). Pick the Playback tab. You > click on the down arrow for the device you want to change the output > for, pick Move Stream, and change the output channel. The Playback window only has one down arrow at "Show" and it has three choices: "All Streams", "Applications", and "Virtual Streams". I don't see any "Move Stream" and nothing about output channel. Unfortunately pavucontrol is not self-explanatory and apparently there is no help available, so I don't see how I should use it. Perhaps PulseAudio is somewhat premature in its present state of development? >>> It sounds as if you do not have the application playing that you >>> want to direct to another output. When it is playing, you should >>> have 3 icons on the right side for your application, with the down >>> arrow icon being the one farthest to the right. >> Yes, I have apparently misunderstood the way it works. But isn't it alsa >> that directs the output to PulseAudio? When I launch alsamixer that's what >> it says. > > I believe it's the other way around. Application talks to pulseaudio which > talks to alsa which talks to hardware, when doing playback. When recording, > the data flows in the opposite direction. I am getting more confused now. How do I then tell PulseAudio to talk to alsa? -- Erik. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
On Monday 24 August 2009 08:36:47 Erik P. Olsen wrote: > On 23/08/09 16:19, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > > Erik P. Olsen wrote: > >> On 23/08/09 00:59, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > >>> There are both system wide and user preference settings. For user > >>> preferences, I like to use pavucontrol (Applications --> Sound & > >>> Video --> PulseAudio Volume Control). Pick the Playback tab. You > >>> click on the down arrow for the device you want to change the output > >>> for, pick Move Stream, and change the output channel. > >> > >> The Playback window only has one down arrow at "Show" and it has three > >> choices: "All Streams", "Applications", and "Virtual Streams". I don't > >> see any "Move Stream" and nothing about output channel. > >> > >> Unfortunately pavucontrol is not self-explanatory and apparently there > >> is no help available, so I don't see how I should use it. Perhaps > >> PulseAudio is somewhat premature in its present state of development? > > > > It sounds as if you do not have the application playing that you > > want to direct to another output. When it is playing, you should > > have 3 icons on the right side for your application, with the down > > arrow icon being the one farthest to the right. > > Yes, I have apparently misunderstood the way it works. But isn't it alsa > that directs the output to PulseAudio? When I launch alsamixer that's what > it says. I believe it's the other way around. Application talks to pulseaudio which talks to alsa which talks to hardware, when doing playback. When recording, the data flows in the opposite direction. There is a good analogy with video --- alsa corresponds to a video card driver, pulseaudio corresponds to X server. The end-user application should never talk to the driver directly, but only to the server. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
On 23/08/09 16:19, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > Erik P. Olsen wrote: >> On 23/08/09 00:59, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >>> There are both system wide and user preference settings. For user >>> preferences, I like to use pavucontrol (Applications --> Sound & >>> Video --> PulseAudio Volume Control). Pick the Playback tab. You >>> click on the down arrow for the device you want to change the output >>> for, pick Move Stream, and change the output channel. >> The Playback window only has one down arrow at "Show" and it has three >> choices: "All Streams", "Applications", and "Virtual Streams". I don't see >> any "Move Stream" and nothing about output channel. >> >> Unfortunately pavucontrol is not self-explanatory and apparently there is no >> help available, so I don't see how I should use it. Perhaps PulseAudio is >> somewhat premature in its present state of development? >> > It sounds as if you do not have the application playing that you > want to direct to another output. When it is playing, you should > have 3 icons on the right side for your application, with the down > arrow icon being the one farthest to the right. Yes, I have apparently misunderstood the way it works. But isn't it alsa that directs the output to PulseAudio? When I launch alsamixer that's what it says. -- Erik. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
Erik P. Olsen wrote: > > Unfortunately pavucontrol is not self-explanatory and apparently there is no > help available, so I don't see how I should use it. Perhaps PulseAudio is > somewhat premature in its present state of development? > You may want to visit http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/Documentation for a better explanation then I can give... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
Erik P. Olsen wrote: > On 23/08/09 00:59, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >> There are both system wide and user preference settings. For user >> preferences, I like to use pavucontrol (Applications --> Sound & >> Video --> PulseAudio Volume Control). Pick the Playback tab. You >> click on the down arrow for the device you want to change the output >> for, pick Move Stream, and change the output channel. > > The Playback window only has one down arrow at "Show" and it has three > choices: "All Streams", "Applications", and "Virtual Streams". I don't see > any "Move Stream" and nothing about output channel. > > Unfortunately pavucontrol is not self-explanatory and apparently there is no > help available, so I don't see how I should use it. Perhaps PulseAudio is > somewhat premature in its present state of development? > It sounds as if you do not have the application playing that you want to direct to another output. When it is playing, you should have 3 icons on the right side for your application, with the down arrow icon being the one farthest to the right. Pavucontrol is for controlling the output of playing applications. There is probably a way to set it up before you start playing, but I have never needed it in the past. I just purchased a USB audio device so I could play with that aspect of PA. I also have to play with the network capabilities one of these days... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
On 23/08/09 00:59, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > Erik P. Olsen wrote: >> I have two pieces of audio hardware. How do I tell pulseaudio on Fedora 11 >> which one to use? Does a config file exist for that purpose and how is its >> syntax? >> > There are both system wide and user preference settings. For user > preferences, I like to use pavucontrol (Applications --> Sound & > Video --> PulseAudio Volume Control). Pick the Playback tab. You > click on the down arrow for the device you want to change the output > for, pick Move Stream, and change the output channel. The Playback window only has one down arrow at "Show" and it has three choices: "All Streams", "Applications", and "Virtual Streams". I don't see any "Move Stream" and nothing about output channel. Unfortunately pavucontrol is not self-explanatory and apparently there is no help available, so I don't see how I should use it. Perhaps PulseAudio is somewhat premature in its present state of development? -- Erik. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
On 22/08/09 23:24, stan wrote: > On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:27:30 +0200 > "Erik P. Olsen" wrote: > >> I have two pieces of audio hardware. How do I tell pulseaudio on >> Fedora 11 which one to use? Does a config file exist for that purpose >> and how is its syntax? >> > > I think it is in (Gnome menu) > Applications -> Sound and Video -> PulseAudio Manager Sorry, but I don't understand how to use PulseAudio Manager. -- Erik. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
Erik P. Olsen wrote: > I have two pieces of audio hardware. How do I tell pulseaudio on Fedora 11 > which one to use? Does a config file exist for that purpose and how is its > syntax? > There are both system wide and user preference settings. For user preferences, I like to use pavucontrol (Applications --> Sound & Video --> PulseAudio Volume Control). Pick the Playback tab. You click on the down arrow for the device you want to change the output for, pick Move Stream, and change the output channel. The config files are in /etc/pulse and ~/.pules, but don't ask me to explain the format... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Pulseaudio config problem.
On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:27:30 +0200 "Erik P. Olsen" wrote: > I have two pieces of audio hardware. How do I tell pulseaudio on > Fedora 11 which one to use? Does a config file exist for that purpose > and how is its syntax? > I think it is in (Gnome menu) Applications -> Sound and Video -> PulseAudio Manager There probably is a configuration file in /etc/pulse somewhere. I'm not familiar with the syntax. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Pulseaudio config problem.
I have two pieces of audio hardware. How do I tell pulseaudio on Fedora 11 which one to use? Does a config file exist for that purpose and how is its syntax? -- Erik. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
