Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
jackson byers wrote: ��� David's experience also was that there was no custom option. ��� I purchased my cd from OSDisc.com ��� Fedora 10 KDE Edition - install/Live CD ��� is this some outdated version? ��� or a deficient version? ��� not officially supported? ��� How is one to know? ��� Jack you simply clicked next on the partitioning screen with the drop down box that said "replace my existing linux install" instead of clicking said drop down box and choosing custom. user error all the way. afaik the live cd's have had custom partitioning since at least f9 if not before then! phil --- jbyers: I don't doubt that I somehow got into "user error all the way". But I was quite conscious that I did not want "replace my existing linux install" and would certainly not have clicked it. If you are correct, then if i somehow got into "custom"� then I may well have still managed to botch it. I still find it curious however that David also thought there was no obvious "custom" leading me to think there could be� differences on various versions of the liveinstallcd. Another question: this thread "Q about installing F10 from Live DVD" implies� it is a� DVD not a CD. Do both versions exist? I have a CD not a DVD And one final question: Does the "custom" option include choice of not installing� grub to mbr? Jack Does the "custom" include� ability to not install grub on the mbr? the problem is that 'replace my existing linux install' is already selected when you get to the partitioning page, and unless you click the drop down box you wont see the other available options. yes you can install grub on any partition using the custom option, and as long as you are aware of which partition number/s you want to install things on then i can't see you botching it in the custom choice. all live cd's use the same installer, in fact fedora only has one installer 'anaconda' so the installation partitioning options are the same using livecd or dvd media. there are only livecd's for now, no live dvd's, so in effect the thread title is wrong ;) phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On 4/23/2009 1:22 PM, jackson byers wrote: > David's experience also was that there was no custom option. > I purchased my cd from OSDisc.com > Fedora 10 KDE Edition - install/Live CD > is this some outdated version? > or a deficient version? > not officially supported? > How is one to know? Jack, I mislead you with what I wrote. I was speaking from past experiences. What Phil wrote is correct. I downloaded a Fedora 10 Live-CD to test and it works just as he said. I'm sorry I told you incorrect information. -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
David's experience also was that there was no custom option. I purchased my cd from OSDisc.com Fedora 10 KDE Edition - install/Live CD is this some outdated version? or a deficient version? not officially supported? How is one to know? Jack you simply clicked next on the partitioning screen with the drop down box that said "replace my existing linux install" instead of clicking said drop down box and choosing custom. user error all the way. afaik the live cd's have had custom partitioning since at least f9 if not before then! phil --- jbyers: I don't doubt that I somehow got into "user error all the way". But I was quite conscious that I did not want "replace my existing linux install" and would certainly not have clicked it. If you are correct, then if i somehow got into "custom" then I may well have still managed to botch it. I still find it curious however that David also thought there was no obvious "custom" leading me to think there could be differences on various versions of the liveinstallcd. Another question: this thread "Q about installing F10 from Live DVD" implies it is a DVD not a CD. Do both versions exist? I have a CD not a DVD And one final question: Does the "custom" option include choice of not installing grub to mbr? Jack Does the "custom" include ability to not install grub on the mbr? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
jackson byers wrote: ect: Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD jackson byers wrote: > Well, the f10liveinstall cd didnt work for me, > ( see f10 liveinstall cd trashed my main fc5) Well, FC5 is long out of support, that's what you get for waiting so long until you finally upgrade. (Hint: you're supposed to upgrade at each or every other release, not wait 5 releases and then install in parallel, still keeping the totally outdated version.) �� Kevin Kofler - jbyers; I am fully aware that I was/am way out of date, and fully nonsupported in fc5. I _was_� trying to install the current f10� (which i think you would encourage) but wanted to retain fc5 until i successfully installed f10, surely a safe practice. Instead I� got my main fc5 clobbered by some combination of --my own inexperience --a live/install cd that did not have a "custom" option. � or i� couldnt see it. David's experience also was that there was no custom option. I purchased my cd from OSDisc.com Fedora 10 KDE Edition - install/Live CD is this some outdated version? or a deficient version? not officially supported? How is one to know? Jack you simply clicked next on the partitioning screen with the drop down box that said "replace my existing linux install" instead of clicking said drop down box and choosing custom. user error all the way. afaik the live cd's have had custom partitioning since at least f9 if not before then! phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
suvayu ali wrote: 2009/4/22 psmith : suvayu ali wrote: Thanks for the thought, but I'm aware of the XFCE Live CDs. My question is since live CDs don't offer the option to choose the kind of install, not even the option to choose the partition on the disk, upgrading to a clean XFCE desktop is not possible without loosing my current partitioning scheme. Is my understanding correct here? no this is not correct, when you choose install to disk from the livecd desktop it starts anaconda and you can set the keyboard and language settings as well as set up custom partitions, or tell it to use existing partitions no problem, the only thing i found that was i had persistence set on my live usb and when i did finaly get round to installing to the hard drive none of the stuff that i had changed since first running the live usb (eg the stuff on the persistent part of it) didn't get transferred across, now this was with the f11 beta xfce snapshot so i'm not sure if it's just a problem with that spin, or if it happens with all live spins. phil Thank you Phil for correcting my misconceptions. This is great news for me. Now I can move to a completely Gnome free XFCE desktop for F11. :) don't be too sure about that, there are still some gnome dependencies on a fedora xfce install ;) phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On 4/22/2009 7:20 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > David wrote: >> As I understand the Live-CD installs to the primary (boot) disk. That >> would be sda. It will have a / in sda1 and a swap in sda6. It will be LVM. > You can do custom partitioning also with the live CDs (with some > restrictions, e.g. / needs to be ext3 for Fedora <= 10 and ext4 for Fedora >> = 11, but which HDD to install to is NOT fixed). You just have to look at > what you're doing, not click "Next" blindly. I have never used a Live-CD to install. But I have played with them. My first Linux install was Redhat 5.2 so I am not a complete Linux Newbie. This is problely completely my fault. I tried to help a Newbie with out-of-date information. -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On 4/22/2009 7:23 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > David wrote: >> Then something has changed since i fooled around with it. Granted which >> has been a while. What I had wiped out what would be C:\ drive of a two >> drive system and at no time did it *visibly* offer to do anything else. >> And I recall seeing a lot of 'Oh heck!!' your disk ate my stuff' posts. >> :-) >> Please correct me if I am out of date here. > You chose the default partitioning scheme. You have to explicitly > select "Custom" and set it up as you like if you don't want it to trash > your existing data. It's the same also for the installer DVD. Then I stand corrected. I did not see an option to change a Live-CD install. Me? Or a problem with the installer? Maybe a *really* obvious 'something' that needs to be added? -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
ect: Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD jackson byers wrote: > Well, the f10liveinstall cd didnt work for me, > ( see f10 liveinstall cd trashed my main fc5) Well, FC5 is long out of support, that's what you get for waiting so long until you finally upgrade. (Hint: you're supposed to upgrade at each or every other release, not wait 5 releases and then install in parallel, still keeping the totally outdated version.) Kevin Kofler - jbyers; I am fully aware that I was/am way out of date, and fully nonsupported in fc5. I _was_ trying to install the current f10 (which i think you would encourage) but wanted to retain fc5 until i successfully installed f10, surely a safe practice. Instead I got my main fc5 clobbered by some combination of --my own inexperience --a live/install cd that did not have a "custom" option. or i couldnt see it. David's experience also was that there was no custom option. I purchased my cd from OSDisc.com Fedora 10 KDE Edition - install/Live CD is this some outdated version? or a deficient version? not officially supported? How is one to know? Jack -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
David wrote: > As I understand the Live-CD installs to the primary (boot) disk. That > would be sda. It will have a / in sda1 and a swap in sda6. It will be LVM. You can do custom partitioning also with the live CDs (with some restrictions, e.g. / needs to be ext3 for Fedora <= 10 and ext4 for Fedora >= 11, but which HDD to install to is NOT fixed). You just have to look at what you're doing, not click "Next" blindly. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
David wrote: > Then something has changed since i fooled around with it. Granted which > has been a while. What I had wiped out what would be C:\ drive of a two > drive system and at no time did it *visibly* offer to do anything else. > > And I recall seeing a lot of 'Oh heck!!' your disk ate my stuff' posts. > :-) > > Please correct me if I am out of date here. You chose the default partitioning scheme. You have to explicitly select "Custom" and set it up as you like if you don't want it to trash your existing data. It's the same also for the installer DVD. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
suvayu ali wrote: > All this talk about live CDs got me thinking. If someone wants to get > something not available on the DVD (e.g. XFCE) and have their custom > setup on the local disk, the only way to upgrade is over the network > using preupgrade? Isn't that rather restrictive, specially since a lot > of the users have dual boot machines? You can upgrade using the DVD, then use "yum upgrade" to fix your broken dependencies. You'll have to do a post-install upgrade anyway, as F9 updates (and in some cases even F8 updates) have moved beyond the versions on the F10 DVD. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
jackson byers wrote: > Well, the f10liveinstall cd didnt work for me, > ( see f10 liveinstall cd trashed my main fc5) Well, FC5 is long out of support, that's what you get for waiting so long until you finally upgrade. (Hint: you're supposed to upgrade at each or every other release, not wait 5 releases and then install in parallel, still keeping the totally outdated version.) Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On 4/22/2009 4:19 PM, suvayu ali wrote: > 2009/4/22 David : >> On 4/22/2009 3:33 PM, suvayu ali wrote: >>> 2009/4/22 David : On 4/22/2009 2:13 PM, suvayu ali wrote: > 2009/4/22 David : >> As I understand the Live-CD installs to the primary (boot) disk. That >> would >> be sda. It will have a / in sda1 and a swap in sda6. It will be LVM. > All this talk about live CDs got me thinking. If someone wants to get > something not available on the DVD (e.g. XFCE) and have their custom > setup on the local disk, the only way to upgrade is over the network > using preupgrade? Isn't that rather restrictive, specially since a lot > of the users have dual boot machines? > What would be the options if I don't have a reliable high speed > Internet connection? I am asking this as I wanted to get rid of Gnome > completely and have XFCE instead when I upgrade to F11. But going by > this, that seems unattainable. Am I missing something here? There were two, official, Fedora 10 Live-CDs released. One that was GNOME and another one that was KDE. There are some people here that made several different, they are called 'spins', of Fedora 10. And one of the Live-CDs was XFCE, IIRC, but it was only available with Bittorent. Again. IIRC. If you had one of those official CDs, KDE or GNOME, they have to be downloaded by the way, you could install XKCE and use it. It too would have to be downloaded but the software installer/updater could get that for you. XFCE is reasonably small. I just looked and it would be about 34 megs for what looks like the basic desktop with everything needed to work. >>> Thanks for the thought, but I'm aware of the XFCE Live CDs. My >>> question is since live CDs don't offer the option to choose the kind >>> of install, not even the option to choose the partition on the disk, >>> upgrading to a clean XFCE desktop is not possible without loosing my >>> current partitioning scheme. Is my understanding correct here? >> With a Lived-CD. Yes. I said before that a Live-CD does not really install >> in the common way thought of. It wipes the drive and writes itself to the >> harddrive. Exactly as it is when it was made. Somewhat like burning an ISO >> to a CD/DVD. What it is is what you get. >> A update would take either the 3.4 G DVD or the set of 6 CDs. > This is what I mentioned in my first post, the DVD _does_ not_ include > the packages for XFCE. So the Live CD is the only way to get XFCE. If > DVD re-spins (meaning, not Live media) were available with XFCE on > them then that would make my day. :) Hmm... I guess I have gotten confused between at least two, perhaps more, conversations in this thread. You are correct, I just looked, that XFCE is not included in the Live-CD nor is can I find it in the full DVD. XFCE would have to be downloaded. > BTW cheapbytes seems to be pretty cool. I'll look into that. I had phone-line dialup for a long time sometime ago. 56k modems really only do 33.6k so downloads of several CDs was 24/7 week long event. :-) I bought from Cheapbytes on a recommendation of a friend and I have never had a problem. One time I had a bad CD disk, number three, in the middle of a set five. I emailed them asking for a new number 3 disk. They apologized. I recieved a whole new set of five, no charge, in three days. -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On 4/22/2009 5:35 PM, psmith wrote: > you are wrong in your suppositions of the live install procedure as it > does not wipe the disc and install itself on the full hard drive, well > not unless you tell it too ;) Then something has changed since i fooled around with it. Granted which has been a while. What I had wiped out what would be C:\ drive of a two drive system and at no time did it *visibly* offer to do anything else. And I recall seeing a lot of 'Oh heck!!' your disk ate my stuff' posts. :-) Please correct me if I am out of date here. -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
2009/4/22 psmith : > suvayu ali wrote: >> >> Thanks for the thought, but I'm aware of the XFCE Live CDs. My >> question is since live CDs don't offer the option to choose the kind >> of install, not even the option to choose the partition on the disk, >> upgrading to a clean XFCE desktop is not possible without loosing my >> current partitioning scheme. Is my understanding correct here? >> > > no this is not correct, when you choose install to disk from the livecd > desktop it starts anaconda and you can set the keyboard and language > settings as well as set up custom partitions, or tell it to use existing > partitions no problem, the only thing i found that was i had persistence set > on my live usb and when i did finaly get round to installing to the hard > drive none of the stuff that i had changed since first running the live usb > (eg the stuff on the persistent part of it) didn't get transferred across, > now this was with the f11 beta xfce snapshot so i'm not sure if it's just a > problem with that spin, or if it happens with all live spins. > > phil Thank you Phil for correcting my misconceptions. This is great news for me. Now I can move to a completely Gnome free XFCE desktop for F11. :) -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
David wrote: On 4/22/2009 3:33 PM, suvayu ali wrote: 2009/4/22 David : On 4/22/2009 2:13 PM, suvayu ali wrote: 2009/4/22 David : As I understand the Live-CD installs to the primary (boot) disk. That would be sda. It will have a / in sda1 and a swap in sda6. It will be LVM. All this talk about live CDs got me thinking. If someone wants to get something not available on the DVD (e.g. XFCE) and have their custom setup on the local disk, the only way to upgrade is over the network using preupgrade? Isn't that rather restrictive, specially since a lot of the users have dual boot machines? What would be the options if I don't have a reliable high speed Internet connection? I am asking this as I wanted to get rid of Gnome completely and have XFCE instead when I upgrade to F11. But going by this, that seems unattainable. Am I missing something here? There were two, official, Fedora 10 Live-CDs released. One that was GNOME and another one that was KDE. There are some people here that made several different, they are called 'spins', of Fedora 10. And one of the Live-CDs was XFCE, IIRC, but it was only available with Bittorent. Again. IIRC. If you had one of those official CDs, KDE or GNOME, they have to be downloaded by the way, you could install XKCE and use it. It too would have to be downloaded but the software installer/updater could get that for you. XFCE is reasonably small. I just looked and it would be about 34 megs for what looks like the basic desktop with everything needed to work. Thanks for the thought, but I'm aware of the XFCE Live CDs. My question is since live CDs don't offer the option to choose the kind of install, not even the option to choose the partition on the disk, upgrading to a clean XFCE desktop is not possible without loosing my current partitioning scheme. Is my understanding correct here? With a Lived-CD. Yes. I said before that a Live-CD does not really install in the common way thought of. It wipes the drive and writes itself to the harddrive. Exactly as it is when it was made. Somewhat like burning an ISO to a CD/DVD. What it is is what you get. A update would take either the 3.4 G DVD or the set of 6 CDs. I don't know, it's none of my business, where you live but if Internet connection is your problem this will be available to buy after it is released. One place is Cheapbytes. I have used them in the past and they are reliable and the prices are inexpensive. http://cheapbytes.com/ For example: Fedora 10 x86 install DVD is $5.99 + shipping Fedora 10 x86 install CD set(6) is 8.99 + shipping It has been a while but what I received was a quality disk(s) with a professional looking label 'made' to the disk, not a 'stick-on' label, with a window sleeve. you are wrong in your suppositions of the live install procedure as it does not wipe the disc and install itself on the full hard drive, well not unless you tell it too ;) phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
suvayu ali wrote: 2009/4/22 David : On 4/22/2009 2:13 PM, suvayu ali wrote: 2009/4/22 David : As I understand the Live-CD installs to the primary (boot) disk. That would be sda. It will have a / in sda1 and a swap in sda6. It will be LVM. All this talk about live CDs got me thinking. If someone wants to get something not available on the DVD (e.g. XFCE) and have their custom setup on the local disk, the only way to upgrade is over the network using preupgrade? Isn't that rather restrictive, specially since a lot of the users have dual boot machines? What would be the options if I don't have a reliable high speed Internet connection? I am asking this as I wanted to get rid of Gnome completely and have XFCE instead when I upgrade to F11. But going by this, that seems unattainable. Am I missing something here? There were two, official, Fedora 10 Live-CDs released. One that was GNOME and another one that was KDE. There are some people here that made several different, they are called 'spins', of Fedora 10. And one of the Live-CDs was XFCE, IIRC, but it was only available with Bittorent. Again. IIRC. If you had one of those official CDs, KDE or GNOME, they have to be downloaded by the way, you could install XKCE and use it. It too would have to be downloaded but the software installer/updater could get that for you. XFCE is reasonably small. I just looked and it would be about 34 megs for what looks like the basic desktop with everything needed to work. Thanks for the thought, but I'm aware of the XFCE Live CDs. My question is since live CDs don't offer the option to choose the kind of install, not even the option to choose the partition on the disk, upgrading to a clean XFCE desktop is not possible without loosing my current partitioning scheme. Is my understanding correct here? no this is not correct, when you choose install to disk from the livecd desktop it starts anaconda and you can set the keyboard and language settings as well as set up custom partitions, or tell it to use existing partitions no problem, the only thing i found that was i had persistence set on my live usb and when i did finaly get round to installing to the hard drive none of the stuff that i had changed since first running the live usb (eg the stuff on the persistent part of it) didn't get transferred across, now this was with the f11 beta xfce snapshot so i'm not sure if it's just a problem with that spin, or if it happens with all live spins. phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
2009/4/22 David : > On 4/22/2009 3:33 PM, suvayu ali wrote: >> 2009/4/22 David : >>> On 4/22/2009 2:13 PM, suvayu ali wrote: 2009/4/22 David : > As I understand the Live-CD installs to the primary (boot) disk. That > would > be sda. It will have a / in sda1 and a swap in sda6. It will be LVM. > All this talk about live CDs got me thinking. If someone wants to get something not available on the DVD (e.g. XFCE) and have their custom setup on the local disk, the only way to upgrade is over the network using preupgrade? Isn't that rather restrictive, specially since a lot of the users have dual boot machines? What would be the options if I don't have a reliable high speed Internet connection? I am asking this as I wanted to get rid of Gnome completely and have XFCE instead when I upgrade to F11. But going by this, that seems unattainable. Am I missing something here? > >>> There were two, official, Fedora 10 Live-CDs released. One that was GNOME >>> and another one that was KDE. There are some people here that made several >>> different, they are called 'spins', of Fedora 10. And one of the Live-CDs >>> was XFCE, IIRC, but it was only available with Bittorent. Again. IIRC. > >>> If you had one of those official CDs, KDE or GNOME, they have to be >>> downloaded by the way, you could install XKCE and use it. It too would have >>> to be downloaded but the software installer/updater could get that for you. > >>> XFCE is reasonably small. I just looked and it would be about 34 megs for >>> what looks like the basic desktop with everything needed to work. > > >> Thanks for the thought, but I'm aware of the XFCE Live CDs. My >> question is since live CDs don't offer the option to choose the kind >> of install, not even the option to choose the partition on the disk, >> upgrading to a clean XFCE desktop is not possible without loosing my >> current partitioning scheme. Is my understanding correct here? > > > With a Lived-CD. Yes. I said before that a Live-CD does not really install > in the common way thought of. It wipes the drive and writes itself to the > harddrive. Exactly as it is when it was made. Somewhat like burning an ISO > to a CD/DVD. What it is is what you get. > > A update would take either the 3.4 G DVD or the set of 6 CDs. > This is what I mentioned in my first post, the DVD _does_ not_ include the packages for XFCE. So the Live CD is the only way to get XFCE. If DVD re-spins (meaning, not Live media) were available with XFCE on them then that would make my day. :) BTW cheapbytes seems to be pretty cool. I'll look into that. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On 4/22/2009 3:33 PM, suvayu ali wrote: > 2009/4/22 David : >> On 4/22/2009 2:13 PM, suvayu ali wrote: >>> 2009/4/22 David : As I understand the Live-CD installs to the primary (boot) disk. That would be sda. It will have a / in sda1 and a swap in sda6. It will be LVM. >>> All this talk about live CDs got me thinking. If someone wants to get >>> something not available on the DVD (e.g. XFCE) and have their custom >>> setup on the local disk, the only way to upgrade is over the network >>> using preupgrade? Isn't that rather restrictive, specially since a lot >>> of the users have dual boot machines? >>> What would be the options if I don't have a reliable high speed >>> Internet connection? I am asking this as I wanted to get rid of Gnome >>> completely and have XFCE instead when I upgrade to F11. But going by >>> this, that seems unattainable. Am I missing something here? >> There were two, official, Fedora 10 Live-CDs released. One that was GNOME >> and another one that was KDE. There are some people here that made several >> different, they are called 'spins', of Fedora 10. And one of the Live-CDs >> was XFCE, IIRC, but it was only available with Bittorent. Again. IIRC. >> If you had one of those official CDs, KDE or GNOME, they have to be >> downloaded by the way, you could install XKCE and use it. It too would have >> to be downloaded but the software installer/updater could get that for you. >> XFCE is reasonably small. I just looked and it would be about 34 megs for >> what looks like the basic desktop with everything needed to work. > Thanks for the thought, but I'm aware of the XFCE Live CDs. My > question is since live CDs don't offer the option to choose the kind > of install, not even the option to choose the partition on the disk, > upgrading to a clean XFCE desktop is not possible without loosing my > current partitioning scheme. Is my understanding correct here? With a Lived-CD. Yes. I said before that a Live-CD does not really install in the common way thought of. It wipes the drive and writes itself to the harddrive. Exactly as it is when it was made. Somewhat like burning an ISO to a CD/DVD. What it is is what you get. A update would take either the 3.4 G DVD or the set of 6 CDs. I don't know, it's none of my business, where you live but if Internet connection is your problem this will be available to buy after it is released. One place is Cheapbytes. I have used them in the past and they are reliable and the prices are inexpensive. http://cheapbytes.com/ For example: Fedora 10 x86 install DVD is $5.99 + shipping Fedora 10 x86 install CD set(6) is 8.99 + shipping It has been a while but what I received was a quality disk(s) with a professional looking label 'made' to the disk, not a 'stick-on' label, with a window sleeve. -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
2009/4/22 David : > On 4/22/2009 2:13 PM, suvayu ali wrote: >> 2009/4/22 David : >>> As I understand the Live-CD installs to the primary (boot) disk. That would >>> be sda. It will have a / in sda1 and a swap in sda6. It will be LVM. > > >> All this talk about live CDs got me thinking. If someone wants to get >> something not available on the DVD (e.g. XFCE) and have their custom >> setup on the local disk, the only way to upgrade is over the network >> using preupgrade? Isn't that rather restrictive, specially since a lot >> of the users have dual boot machines? > >> What would be the options if I don't have a reliable high speed >> Internet connection? I am asking this as I wanted to get rid of Gnome >> completely and have XFCE instead when I upgrade to F11. But going by >> this, that seems unattainable. Am I missing something here? > > > There were two, official, Fedora 10 Live-CDs released. One that was GNOME > and another one that was KDE. There are some people here that made several > different, they are called 'spins', of Fedora 10. And one of the Live-CDs > was XFCE, IIRC, but it was only available with Bittorent. Again. IIRC. > > If you had one of those official CDs, KDE or GNOME, they have to be > downloaded by the way, you could install XKCE and use it. It too would have > to be downloaded but the software installer/updater could get that for you. > > XFCE is reasonably small. I just looked and it would be about 34 megs for > what looks like the basic desktop with everything needed to work. > Thanks for the thought, but I'm aware of the XFCE Live CDs. My question is since live CDs don't offer the option to choose the kind of install, not even the option to choose the partition on the disk, upgrading to a clean XFCE desktop is not possible without loosing my current partitioning scheme. Is my understanding correct here? -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On 4/22/2009 2:13 PM, suvayu ali wrote: > 2009/4/22 David : >> On 4/21/2009 5:10 PM, jackson byers wrote: if it insists on that, I wasnt prepared for it, having only sdb6 i was willing to give to f10. >>> I wrote about this the other day but I don't recall ever seeing it show up. >>> First: A Live-CD *does not* install separate packages. A Live-CD writes >>> itself to your hard similar to the way you burn an ISO to a CD. >>> It will *erase your harddisk* and then write itself exactly as it is. You >>> have no choices of anything. >>> You boot the CD. You are looking at the OS running from memory. You decide >>> to install it to your harddrive so you click the install icon. It formats >>> your drive and writes itself to your drive. Exactly as it is on the CD. You >>> reboot, answer a few questions and you are basically done. >>> And *whatever* was on the HD before is gone. Period. >>> The size of the CD it limited but they have put what most people would need. >>> Anything else you install from the online repos. >>> All of that aside I would seriously doubt that you could update a Fedora >>> Core 5 install directly to a Fedora 10 install anyway. Too many years and >>> too many changes. If you do a fresh install the has been updates since the >>> Fedora 10 Live-CD was made. Probably another CD full of them. >>> David >>> --- It formats your drive and writes itself to your drive. Exactly as it is on the CD. You reboot, answer a few questions and you are basically done. >>> yes but that doesnt answer my confusion as to how it chooses >>> the hard drive or harddrive partition to write on. >>> and whether it is forcing LVM on me >>> and whether it is forcing a separate /boot partition. >>> I have two scsi disks, sda, sdb >>> I was trying to point it to my sdb6 >>> it clobbered my sda1 >>> Are you saying liveinstallcd will try to >>> take over my either my entire sda or my entire sdb? >> As I understand the Live-CD installs to the primary (boot) disk. That would >> be sda. It will have a / in sda1 and a swap in sda6. It will be LVM. > All this talk about live CDs got me thinking. If someone wants to get > something not available on the DVD (e.g. XFCE) and have their custom > setup on the local disk, the only way to upgrade is over the network > using preupgrade? Isn't that rather restrictive, specially since a lot > of the users have dual boot machines? > What would be the options if I don't have a reliable high speed > Internet connection? I am asking this as I wanted to get rid of Gnome > completely and have XFCE instead when I upgrade to F11. But going by > this, that seems unattainable. Am I missing something here? There were two, official, Fedora 10 Live-CDs released. One that was GNOME and another one that was KDE. There are some people here that made several different, they are called 'spins', of Fedora 10. And one of the Live-CDs was XFCE, IIRC, but it was only available with Bittorent. Again. IIRC. If you had one of those official CDs, KDE or GNOME, they have to be downloaded by the way, you could install XKCE and use it. It too would have to be downloaded but the software installer/updater could get that for you. XFCE is reasonably small. I just looked and it would be about 34 megs for what looks like the basic desktop with everything needed to work. Good luck. -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
2009/4/22 David : > On 4/21/2009 5:10 PM, jackson byers wrote: > >>> if it insists on that, I wasnt prepared for it, >>> having only sdb6 i was willing to give to f10. > > >> I wrote about this the other day but I don't recall ever seeing it show up. > >> First: A Live-CD *does not* install separate packages. A Live-CD writes >> itself to your hard similar to the way you burn an ISO to a CD. > >> It will *erase your harddisk* and then write itself exactly as it is. You >> have no choices of anything. > >> You boot the CD. You are looking at the OS running from memory. You decide >> to install it to your harddrive so you click the install icon. It formats >> your drive and writes itself to your drive. Exactly as it is on the CD. You >> reboot, answer a few questions and you are basically done. > >> And *whatever* was on the HD before is gone. Period. > >> The size of the CD it limited but they have put what most people would need. >> Anything else you install from the online repos. > >> All of that aside I would seriously doubt that you could update a Fedora >> Core 5 install directly to a Fedora 10 install anyway. Too many years and >> too many changes. If you do a fresh install the has been updates since the >> Fedora 10 Live-CD was made. Probably another CD full of them. > >> David >> --- >>>It formats >>>your drive and writes itself to your drive. >>>Exactly as it is on the CD. You >>>reboot, answer a few questions and you are basically done. > >> yes but that doesnt answer my confusion as to how it chooses >> the hard drive or harddrive partition to write on. >> and whether it is forcing LVM on me >> and whether it is forcing a separate /boot partition. >> I have two scsi disks, sda, sdb >> I was trying to point it to my sdb6 >> it clobbered my sda1 > >> Are you saying liveinstallcd will try to >> take over my either my entire sda or my entire sdb? > > > As I understand the Live-CD installs to the primary (boot) disk. That would > be sda. It will have a / in sda1 and a swap in sda6. It will be LVM. > All this talk about live CDs got me thinking. If someone wants to get something not available on the DVD (e.g. XFCE) and have their custom setup on the local disk, the only way to upgrade is over the network using preupgrade? Isn't that rather restrictive, specially since a lot of the users have dual boot machines? What would be the options if I don't have a reliable high speed Internet connection? I am asking this as I wanted to get rid of Gnome completely and have XFCE instead when I upgrade to F11. But going by this, that seems unattainable. Am I missing something here? -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On 4/21/2009 5:10 PM, jackson byers wrote: >> if it insists on that, I wasnt prepared for it, >> having only sdb6 i was willing to give to f10. > I wrote about this the other day but I don't recall ever seeing it show up. > First: A Live-CD *does not* install separate packages. A Live-CD writes > itself to your hard similar to the way you burn an ISO to a CD. > It will *erase your harddisk* and then write itself exactly as it is. You > have no choices of anything. > You boot the CD. You are looking at the OS running from memory. You decide > to install it to your harddrive so you click the install icon. It formats > your drive and writes itself to your drive. Exactly as it is on the CD. You > reboot, answer a few questions and you are basically done. > And *whatever* was on the HD before is gone. Period. > The size of the CD it limited but they have put what most people would need. > Anything else you install from the online repos. > All of that aside I would seriously doubt that you could update a Fedora > Core 5 install directly to a Fedora 10 install anyway. Too many years and > too many changes. If you do a fresh install the has been updates since the > Fedora 10 Live-CD was made. Probably another CD full of them. > David > --- >>It formats >>your drive and writes itself to your drive. >>Exactly as it is on the CD. You >>reboot, answer a few questions and you are basically done. > yes but that doesnt answer my confusion as to how it chooses > the hard drive or harddrive partition to write on. > and whether it is forcing LVM on me > and whether it is forcing a separate /boot partition. > I have two scsi disks, sda, sdb > I was trying to point it to my sdb6 > it clobbered my sda1 > Are you saying liveinstallcd will try to > take over my either my entire sda or my entire sdb? As I understand the Live-CD installs to the primary (boot) disk. That would be sda. It will have a / in sda1 and a swap in sda6. It will be LVM. >> I would seriously doubt that you could update a Fedora >>Core 5 install directly to a Fedora 10 install anyway. > ??? this doesnt make sense to me. > I thot the liveinstall was a fresh install, > nothing to do with "update" So you are trying to keep FC-5 and install Fedora 10 on a different physical drive? I thought that you were trying to update the FC-5 because FC-5 is so old, out of date, and a possible security risk since it is not getting updates. It takes the install DVD to actually install Fedora 10 on a drive other that the boot drive. Again. As I understand it. -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On Tue, 2009-04-21 at 13:36 -0700, Erick Martínez wrote: > Hello! can anybody bring me some help, pls? No problem with Gnome > (sound is ok), but I'm trying to test Fedora 10 XFCE. The problem is > that I can't make the sound work. My Thinkpad is mute!!! Pulseaudio is > active in the autostarted scripts/applications section. When I open > the Volume control, after half a second, a popup window appears over > the volume window, and it says Connection failed: Connection > terminated, then closes with no more hints. Can anybody help me? > (sound chip is ESS ES1938 Solo 1). Thanks in advance! > > "Shalom" > > Erick Martinez > Estudiante de piano y composición. Two things: 1) Do not hijack threads. Your message has absolutely nothing to do with the Subject line. If you want to introduce a new topic, start a new thread. Note that changing the Subject line is not enough in itself. You should compose a new message instead of answering an existing one. 2) Do not post to this list in HTML. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines --- Dos cosas: 1) No sequestre los temas de conversación. Su tópico no tiene nada que ver con el mensaje al cual está respondiendo. Cuando tiene un tema nuevo, comienza con un mensaje nuevo en vez de contestar uno existente. Ojo: simplemente cambiar el Tema no es suficiente. Tiene que ser un mensaje nuevo y no una respuesta. 2) No envia HTML a esta lista. Véase el enlace señalado arriba. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
David replied > if it insists on that, I wasnt prepared for it, > having only sdb6 i was willing to give to f10. I wrote about this the other day but I don't recall ever seeing it show up. First: A Live-CD *does not* install separate packages. A Live-CD writes itself to your hard similar to the way you burn an ISO to a CD. It will *erase your harddisk* and then write itself exactly as it is. You have no choices of anything. You boot the CD. You are looking at the OS running from memory. You decide to install it to your harddrive so you click the install icon. It formats your drive and writes itself to your drive. Exactly as it is on the CD. You reboot, answer a few questions and you are basically done. And *whatever* was on the HD before is gone. Period. The size of the CD it limited but they have put what most people would need. Anything else you install from the online repos. All of that aside I would seriously doubt that you could update a Fedora Core 5 install directly to a Fedora 10 install anyway. Too many years and too many changes. If you do a fresh install the has been updates since the Fedora 10 Live-CD was made. Probably another CD full of them. David --- >It formats >your drive and writes itself to your drive. >Exactly as it is on the CD. You >reboot, answer a few questions and you are basically done. yes but that doesnt answer my confusion as to how it chooses the hard drive or harddrive partition to write on. and whether it is forcing LVM on me and whether it is forcing a separate /boot partition. I have two scsi disks, sda, sdb I was trying to point it to my sdb6 it clobbered my sda1 Are you saying liveinstallcd will try to take over my either my entire sda or my entire sdb? > I would seriously doubt that you could update a Fedora >Core 5 install directly to a Fedora 10 install anyway. ??? this doesnt make sense to me. I thot the liveinstall was a fresh install, nothing to do with "update" thanks for response Jack -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
Hello! can anybody bring me some help, pls? No problem with Gnome (sound is ok), but I'm trying to test Fedora 10 XFCE. The problem is that I can't make the sound work. My Thinkpad is mute!!! Pulseaudio is active in the autostarted scripts/applications section. When I open the Volume control, after half a second, a popup window appears over the volume window, and it says Connection failed: Connection terminated, then closes with no more hints. Can anybody help me? (sound chip is ESS ES1938 Solo 1). Thanks in advance! "Shalom" Erick Martinez Estudiante de piano y composición. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On 4/21/2009 1:41 PM, jackson byers wrote: > Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD > Kenneth Lee wrote: >> Use the Live CD to "try out" distributions. >> Download and burn the DVD, and use that for installations. >> This seems to be true with Fedora. Each distribution seems to work a >> little bit different, but the live CD's seem to be good for trying them >> out without >> changing what is on your current hard drive. Just don't "Install" if you >> want to test! Fedora seems to install "best" from the DVD. > Kevin Kofler replied >>> The live CDs install just fine. ... > Well, the f10liveinstall cd didnt work for me, > ( see f10 liveinstall cd trashed my main fc5) > trying to install to one particular partition, sdb6 > it instead somehow clobbered my main fc5 partition sda1. > undoubtedly mostly (entirely?) because of my own > very limited experience re installs. > Are there guidelines for using the install option? > It seemed to insist on using LVM. Can this be prevented? > Not sure, but it might also have been > trying to set up separate /boot partition? > If so, can that also be prevented? > if it insists on that, I wasnt prepared for it, > having only sdb6 i was willing to give to f10. I wrote about this the other day but I don't recall ever seeing it show up. First: A Live-CD *does not* install separate packages. A Live-CD writes itself to your hard similar to the way you burn an ISO to a CD. It will *erase your harddisk* and then write itself exactly as it is. You have no choices of anything. You boot the CD. You are looking at the OS running from memory. You decide to install it to your harddrive so you click the install icon. It formats your drive and writes itself to your drive. Exactly as it is on the CD. You reboot, answer a few questions and you are basically done. And *whatever* was on the HD before is gone. Period. The size of the CD it limited but they have put what most people would need. Anything else you install from the online repos. All of that aside I would seriously doubt that you could update a Fedora Core 5 install directly to a Fedora 10 install anyway. Too many years and too many changes. If you do a fresh install the has been updates since the Fedora 10 Live-CD was made. Probably another CD full of them. -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD Kenneth Lee wrote: > Use the Live CD to "try out" distributions. > > Download and burn the DVD, and use that for installations. > > This seems to be true with Fedora. Each distribution seems to work a > little bit different, but the live CD's seem to be good for trying them > out without > changing what is on your current hard drive. Just don't "Install" if you > want to test! Fedora seems to install "best" from the DVD. Kevin Kofler replied >> The live CDs install just fine. ... Well, the f10liveinstall cd didnt work for me, ( see f10 liveinstall cd trashed my main fc5) trying to install to one particular partition, sdb6 it instead somehow clobbered my main fc5 partition sda1. undoubtedly mostly (entirely?) because of my own very limited experience re installs. Are there guidelines for using the install option? It seemed to insist on using LVM. Can this be prevented? Not sure, but it might also have been trying to set up separate /boot partition? If so, can that also be prevented? if it insists on that, I wasnt prepared for it, having only sdb6 i was willing to give to f10. Jack -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
Kenneth Lee wrote: > Use the Live CD to "try out" distributions. > > Download and burn the DVD, and use that for installations. > > This seems to be true with Fedora. Each distribution seems to work a > little bit different, but the live CD's seem to be good for trying them > out without > changing what is on your current hard drive. Just don't "Install" if you > want to test! Fedora seems to install "best" from the DVD. The live CDs install just fine. They just don't upgrade (without reinstalling/reformatting) previous versions of Fedora (but upgrading a Fedora installed from a live CD of a previous version of Fedora to the current one using any of the methods for upgrading: DVD, preupgrade, yum upgrade etc. works fine). The advantage of installing from a live CD is that you get a tested and consistent package set with default components known to integrate properly with each other. The drawbacks are that you don't get to customize the package set before/during installation (you have to do it after the installation), that you don't get to choose the file system for / (it's always ext3 until F10 and always ext4 from F11 on) and that some popular packages are not included for size reasons and have to be added after the installation if wanted (notably OO.o - you get Abiword or KOffice instead depending on the spin). Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
Use the Live CD to "try out" distributions. Download and burn the DVD, and use that for installations. This seems to be true with Fedora. Each distribution seems to work a little bit different, but the live CD's seem to be good for trying them out without changing what is on your current hard drive. Just don't "Install" if you want to test! Fedora seems to install "best" from the DVD. Hope that helps, Ken On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Dean S. Messing wrote: > > A colleague of mine is interested in trying Linux Fedora 10 on a new > machine he's purchased. He asked me to help him. I thought I'd try > the "Live install" of which I've read, but have never done before. It > seems like a fast way to install and time-to-install is a bit limited. > > I looked at the Installation Guide at > > but it didn't seem to answer my questions. Maybe I missed it. > > So ... > > I presume that the machine will "just come up", running in-memory from > the Live Image on the DVD. (Is that right?) So, how does one get the > in-memory system onto a root partition? Does the Anaconda Installer > get involved in the process so that a "regular install" occurs using > the Live data as source? > > Pointers to instructions will be appreciated. > > I've copied my colleague so that he can see for himself what helpful > chaps y'all are. :-) > > Thanks > Dean > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
Dean S. Messing wrote: > I presume that the machine will "just come up", running in-memory from > the Live Image on the DVD. (Is that right?) So, how does one get the > in-memory system onto a root partition? Does the Anaconda Installer > get involved in the process so that a "regular install" occurs using > the Live data as source? The installer comes up, with some of the screens (notably package selection) unavailable because they aren't applicable to how the live system is installed. What happens is that Anaconda comes up as usual, it will let you do the partitioning, then instead of installing the packages onto the system as it does for a regular install, it will just dd the live image to your / partition and resize it to the desired size. When working with live images, the best solution is to use the CD-sized image for the desktop you intend to primarily run (GNOME, KDE 4 and XFCE images are available), then customize your packages post install (by installing the packages you want from the repository and removing those you don't want). For KDE users, the KDE live image is the recommended way to install Fedora, though KDE is also available on the installer DVD. Note that you cannot use a live image to upgrade an existing installation of Fedora, so there are 3 possibilities: 1. keep a separate /home partition (and possibly /root if you want to preserve root's stuff as well) and reinstall from the current live image at each release. The drawback of this approach is that you lose any systemwide configuration and that you have to customize your installed package set again at each release. 2. use the live image for the initial install, then use some other method (e.g. preupgrade) to upgrade to newer Fedora releases. 3. don't use the live image at all. ;-) My personal favorite is option 2. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
suvayu ali wrote: > There is one downside though, you don't get to choose the packages in > the live CD that gets installed. So if you want to exclude any of the > packages, you have to remove it once everything is installed. (not > sure about this part, so correct me if I am wrong) This is correct, you cannot tweak the package selection because the live image contains the packages only in already installed form (it's an image of a live system, not a set of packages). So removing packages has to be done the same way you remove already installed packages anywhere else (i.e. rpm -e or yum remove). Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
Kam Leo wrote: > Open Office 3 is included. That depends on the spin. The installer DVD includes it, the default live CDs don't (the GNOME one ships with Abiword, the KDE one with KOffice 1) because there's no room for it. Some live DVDs include it, e.g. the Fedora Electronic Lab (FEL) DVD, and there are CD-sized spins with OO.o on it, but at the cost of removing other software (AFAIK the only official one is the Brazilian BrOffice.org spin which has OO.o rebranded to BrOffice.org on it). Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
Thanks to all (to many to name individually) for the helpful answers! My colleague may be a new member soon. Dean -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Dean S. Messing wrote: > >> Thanks Kam. I don't yet have it (which is why I didn't know). So I >> take it the install from the live-cd is just an ordinary >> Anaconda-based install? If so, what's the advantage over just using >> the F10 install DVD (February respin, of course)? > > I guess you see the system running on the CD - > or in my case, the USB stick - > and this gives you some confidence that it will transfer to the hard disk > without too much hassle. > > Installing directly from the DVD requires an act of faith > which in my case I do not have. > > -- > Timothy Murphy That just gives you false confidence. Unfortunately, hard drive and video problems still lurk. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
Dean S. Messing wrote: > Thanks Kam. I don't yet have it (which is why I didn't know). So I > take it the install from the live-cd is just an ordinary > Anaconda-based install? If so, what's the advantage over just using > the F10 install DVD (February respin, of course)? I guess you see the system running on the CD - or in my case, the USB stick - and this gives you some confidence that it will transfer to the hard disk without too much hassle. Installing directly from the DVD requires an act of faith which in my case I do not have. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 13:55 -0700, Dean S. Messing wrote: >> Kam Leo wrote: >> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Dean S. Messing >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > A colleague of mine is interested in trying Linux Fedora 10 on a new >> > > machine he's purchased. He asked me to help him. I thought I'd try >> > > the "Live install" of which I've read, but have never done before. It >> > > seems like a fast way to install and time-to-install is a bit limited. >> > > >> > > I looked at the Installation Guide at >> > > >> > > but it didn't seem to answer my questions. Maybe I missed it. >> > > >> > > So ... >> > > >> > > I presume that the machine will "just come up", running in-memory from >> > > the Live Image on the DVD. (Is that right?) So, how does one get the >> > > in-memory system onto a root partition? Does the Anaconda Installer >> > > get involved in the process so that a "regular install" occurs using >> > > the Live data as source? >> > > >> > > Pointers to instructions will be appreciated. >> > > >> > > I've copied my colleague so that he can see for himself what helpful >> > > chaps y'all are. :-) >> > > >> > > Thanks >> > > Dean >> > >> > If you have the live-dvd you would have discovered the answer for >> > yourself: A menu option is presented to either run the live-cd or >> > perform an install. >> >> Thanks Kam. I don't yet have it (which is why I didn't know). So I >> take it the install from the live-cd is just an ordinary >> Anaconda-based install? If so, what's the advantage over just using >> the F10 install DVD (February respin, of course)? > > There are a few differences: > > * The Live CD is a CD (obviously). You can run it directly or from a USB > stick (if your machine has no optical drive, as most netbooks don't). > > * Running the Live CD lets you check that the basic hardware (video > card, networking etc.) will work acceptably before installing. And you > can run it without touching your hard disk if you still haven't made up > your mind. > > * The distro DVD might be a lot harder for some people to download > simply because it's much larger. Also, it's *not* a live system. It's > for installation or rescue. > > * Once you install from the Live CD you'll get a smaller system (e.g. > Gnome or KDE but not both, no Open Office etc. etc.) and will then have > to add stuff you want via yum. Open Office 3 is included. > * The DVD version will already have most of what you need (all the same > the first thing you should do after installation is to run "yum > update".) > > poc > Fedora 10 Release Notes regarding installation and live-CD: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10/en_US/What_is_New_for_Installation_and_Live_Images.html -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
2009/4/14 Dean S. Messing : >> >> If you have the live-dvd you would have discovered the answer for >> yourself: A menu option is presented to either run the live-cd or >> perform an install. > > Thanks Kam. I don't yet have it (which is why I didn't know). So I > take it the install from the live-cd is just an ordinary > Anaconda-based install? If so, what's the advantage over just using > the F10 install DVD (February respin, of course)? > > Dean The best thing about live CDs are they are small downloads and you can choose a spin that you want. For example if you prefer XFCE you need not bother about installing Gnome or KDE stuff that you don't need. There is one downside though, you don't get to choose the packages in the live CD that gets installed. So if you want to exclude any of the packages, you have to remove it once everything is installed. (not sure about this part, so correct me if I am wrong) And a few cautionary remarks: 1. Make sure you have enough RAM in your system. Live CDs don't do well with systems with a small RAM. 2 gigs is okay imo. 2. If you have a very new graphics card (like my HD4870), GUI _won't_ work. You would need to do a text install. (No scares, I found console graphics pretty cool and easy to navigate through) Thats it. And a good hearty welcome to your friend. :) -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 13:55 -0700, Dean S. Messing wrote: > So I take it the install from the live-cd is just an ordinary > Anaconda-based install? More or less... > If so, what's the advantage over just using the F10 install DVD > (February respin, of course)? Smaller disc to download, in the first place. But if you want more than it provides, there's more to download later on. However, since there's probably been a load of updates since the disc was created, you may face that anyway, when you do an update after the install. NB: The live disc is only a test of whether a system can boot the live disc. I've used systems which worked fine on a hard drive install, but not on the live disc. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.21-78.2.41.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 13:55 -0700, Dean S. Messing wrote: > Kam Leo wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Dean S. Messing > > wrote: > > > > > > A colleague of mine is interested in trying Linux Fedora 10 on a new > > > machine he's purchased. He asked me to help him. I thought I'd try > > > the "Live install" of which I've read, but have never done before. It > > > seems like a fast way to install and time-to-install is a bit limited. > > > > > > I looked at the Installation Guide at > > > > > > but it didn't seem to answer my questions. Maybe I missed it. > > > > > > So ... > > > > > > I presume that the machine will "just come up", running in-memory from > > > the Live Image on the DVD. (Is that right?) So, how does one get the > > > in-memory system onto a root partition? Does the Anaconda Installer > > > get involved in the process so that a "regular install" occurs using > > > the Live data as source? > > > > > > Pointers to instructions will be appreciated. > > > > > > I've copied my colleague so that he can see for himself what helpful > > > chaps y'all are. :-) > > > > > > Thanks > > > Dean > > > > If you have the live-dvd you would have discovered the answer for > > yourself: A menu option is presented to either run the live-cd or > > perform an install. > > Thanks Kam. I don't yet have it (which is why I didn't know). So I > take it the install from the live-cd is just an ordinary > Anaconda-based install? If so, what's the advantage over just using > the F10 install DVD (February respin, of course)? There are a few differences: * The Live CD is a CD (obviously). You can run it directly or from a USB stick (if your machine has no optical drive, as most netbooks don't). * Running the Live CD lets you check that the basic hardware (video card, networking etc.) will work acceptably before installing. And you can run it without touching your hard disk if you still haven't made up your mind. * The distro DVD might be a lot harder for some people to download simply because it's much larger. Also, it's *not* a live system. It's for installation or rescue. * Once you install from the Live CD you'll get a smaller system (e.g. Gnome or KDE but not both, no Open Office etc. etc.) and will then have to add stuff you want via yum. * The DVD version will already have most of what you need (all the same the first thing you should do after installation is to run "yum update".) poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
Kam Leo wrote: > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Dean S. Messing wrote: > > > > A colleague of mine is interested in trying Linux Fedora 10 on a new > > machine he's purchased. He asked me to help him. I thought I'd try > > the "Live install" of which I've read, but have never done before. It > > seems like a fast way to install and time-to-install is a bit limited. > > > > I looked at the Installation Guide at > > > > but it didn't seem to answer my questions. Maybe I missed it. > > > > So ... > > > > I presume that the machine will "just come up", running in-memory from > > the Live Image on the DVD. (Is that right?) So, how does one get the > > in-memory system onto a root partition? Does the Anaconda Installer > > get involved in the process so that a "regular install" occurs using > > the Live data as source? > > > > Pointers to instructions will be appreciated. > > > > I've copied my colleague so that he can see for himself what helpful > > chaps y'all are. :-) > > > > Thanks > > Dean > > If you have the live-dvd you would have discovered the answer for > yourself: A menu option is presented to either run the live-cd or > perform an install. Thanks Kam. I don't yet have it (which is why I didn't know). So I take it the install from the live-cd is just an ordinary Anaconda-based install? If so, what's the advantage over just using the F10 install DVD (February respin, of course)? Dean -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 12:44 -0800, Kam Leo wrote: > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Dean S. Messing wrote: > > > > A colleague of mine is interested in trying Linux Fedora 10 on a new > > machine he's purchased. He asked me to help him. I thought I'd try > > the "Live install" of which I've read, but have never done before. It > > seems like a fast way to install and time-to-install is a bit limited. > > > > I looked at the Installation Guide at > > > > but it didn't seem to answer my questions. Maybe I missed it. > > > > So ... > > > > I presume that the machine will "just come up", running in-memory from > > the Live Image on the DVD. (Is that right?) So, how does one get the > > in-memory system onto a root partition? Does the Anaconda Installer > > get involved in the process so that a "regular install" occurs using > > the Live data as source? > > > > Pointers to instructions will be appreciated. > > > > I've copied my colleague so that he can see for himself what helpful > > chaps y'all are. :-) > > > > Thanks > > Dean > > If you have the live-dvd you would have discovered the answer for > yourself: A menu option is presented to either run the live-cd or > perform an install. > That is one answer but the way I remember it when the Live version boots there is a icon on the screen that says essentially install the version fro the Live CD (but not exactly in those words) -- === We'll pivot at warp 2 and bring all tubes to bear, Mr. Sulu! === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Dean S. Messing wrote: > > A colleague of mine is interested in trying Linux Fedora 10 on a new > machine he's purchased. He asked me to help him. I thought I'd try > the "Live install" of which I've read, but have never done before. It > seems like a fast way to install and time-to-install is a bit limited. > > I looked at the Installation Guide at > > but it didn't seem to answer my questions. Maybe I missed it. > > So ... > > I presume that the machine will "just come up", running in-memory from > the Live Image on the DVD. (Is that right?) So, how does one get the > in-memory system onto a root partition? Does the Anaconda Installer > get involved in the process so that a "regular install" occurs using > the Live data as source? > > Pointers to instructions will be appreciated. > > I've copied my colleague so that he can see for himself what helpful > chaps y'all are. :-) > > Thanks > Dean If you have the live-dvd you would have discovered the answer for yourself: A menu option is presented to either run the live-cd or perform an install. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
A colleague of mine is interested in trying Linux Fedora 10 on a new machine he's purchased. He asked me to help him. I thought I'd try the "Live install" of which I've read, but have never done before. It seems like a fast way to install and time-to-install is a bit limited. I looked at the Installation Guide at but it didn't seem to answer my questions. Maybe I missed it. So ... I presume that the machine will "just come up", running in-memory from the Live Image on the DVD. (Is that right?) So, how does one get the in-memory system onto a root partition? Does the Anaconda Installer get involved in the process so that a "regular install" occurs using the Live data as source? Pointers to instructions will be appreciated. I've copied my colleague so that he can see for himself what helpful chaps y'all are. :-) Thanks Dean -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
