hopefully the video card AGP problem in F11 doesn't exist in F12
see release notes for F11 F10 is beautiful! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Video Card for SuperMicro SuperWorkstation 5046A-XB
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:47:56 -0500 Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 19:34:58 -0500, Steven P. Ulrick lists-fed...@afolkey2.net wrote: What I am now after is a video card. I don't need anything fancy. I think I would be satisfied with whatever functionality that I can get just using the apporpriate open source driver. So, I don't mind using, let's say an NVidia card. I further don't mind completely and totally AVOIDING any issues involved with depending on a proprietary company keeping their proprietary binary blob in sync with the latest Kernel updates. I just want a card that will Just Work the above described system, with a minimum of headaches. With which version of Fedora? Things are changing a lot in Fedora 11, so which cards work has been changing throughout rawhide. Going with Fedora 11 was/is my intention. Right now my ATI rv530 based card is working pretty well for normal stuff. I don't do much 3d with it, but did do a short test using tremulous today and it seemed to work OK. Steven P. Ulrick -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Video Card for SuperMicro SuperWorkstation 5046A-XB
Steven P. Ulrick wrote: What I am now after is a video card. Looks like Intel integrated isn't an option with your choice of motherboard (which is unfortunate, because those work best), so I'd suggest one of the non-HD Radeons. Radeon HDs are a waste of money, they're more expensive and they don't have OpenGL support in the Free Software drivers yet. See http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATIRadeon (towards the bottom) for the full breakdown of what works and what doesn't work yet (basically, up to X1950 is fully supported, with 2D and 3D acceleration). Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Video Card for SuperMicro SuperWorkstation 5046A-XB
Hello Everyone I am building a system with the following specifications: Chassis: SuperMicro SuperWorkstation 5046A-XB Mainboard: Super C7X58 Processor: Intel Quad Core Xeon E5504 2GHz Hard Drives: Western Digital 320 GB 7200 RPM Caviar SE16 Sata Hard Drive Memory: Kingston 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory What I am now after is a video card. I don't need anything fancy. I think I would be satisfied with whatever functionality that I can get just using the apporpriate open source driver. So, I don't mind using, let's say an NVidia card. I further don't mind completely and totally AVOIDING any issues involved with depending on a proprietary company keeping their proprietary binary blob in sync with the latest Kernel updates. I just want a card that will Just Work the above described system, with a minimum of headaches. Thank you in advance for your knowledge and wisdom, Steven P. Ulrick -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Video Card for SuperMicro SuperWorkstation 5046A-XB
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 19:34:58 -0500, Steven P. Ulrick lists-fed...@afolkey2.net wrote: What I am now after is a video card. I don't need anything fancy. I think I would be satisfied with whatever functionality that I can get just using the apporpriate open source driver. So, I don't mind using, let's say an NVidia card. I further don't mind completely and totally AVOIDING any issues involved with depending on a proprietary company keeping their proprietary binary blob in sync with the latest Kernel updates. I just want a card that will Just Work the above described system, with a minimum of headaches. With which version of Fedora? Things are changing a lot in Fedora 11, so which cards work has been changing throughout rawhide. Right now my ATI rv530 based card is working pretty well for normal stuff. I don't do much 3d with it, but did do a short test using tremulous today and it seemed to work OK. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora 9 and an nvidia 7200gs video card
Don Raikes wrote:
...
I just installed a new nvidia 7200gs card (the nvidia 84000gs card
wouldn't fit).
Now when I try to run gnome, I get a message saying no devices were
found.
Do you mean gnome or X / GDM ?
How are you trying to start it ?
I am assuming I need to install some drivers, but cannot find
any for linux 32-bit.
Does anyone know where those pesky drivers are?
Which driver are you expecting to use ? nv, nouveau, nvidia (beta or
release) ?
This might be a hint:
$ rpm -qa \*drv-n\* \*nvidia\* --qf=%{packager} %{name}\n
Fedora Project xorg-x11-drv-nouveau
Fedora Project xorg-x11-drv-nv
http://nonfree.rpmfusion.org/ akmod-nvidia-173xx
http://nonfree.rpmfusion.org/ kmod-nvidia-173xx-2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i686
http://nonfree.rpmfusion.org/ xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-173xx
http://nonfree.rpmfusion.org/ xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-173xx-libs
The rpmfusion packaged nvidia proprietary driver is for middle age cards
like my fx5600.
DaveT.
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Re: fedora 9 and an nvidia 7200gs video card
Don Raikes wrote: Hi all, I have fedora 9 installed on my gateway desktop and it was working fine except for the fact that my video card died. I just installed a new nvidia 7200gs card (the nvidia 84000gs card wouldn't fit). Now when I try to run gnome, I get a message saying no devices were found. I am assuming I need to install some drivers, but cannot find any for linux 32-bit. Does anyone know where those pesky drivers are? First login in runtime 3 and edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf The line Containing should be changed to Driver vesa (no quotes needed) Now you reboot (or restart X) and login, you will be able to run an X environment, but you will nog have any drm or 3d support For that download your driver at : http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us yum install kernel-devel and then run the file downloaded from nvidia I seem never to have any luck being able to use the standard yum procedure, the above works always for me, but adds more work as you need to do this every time your kernel changes -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora 9 and an nvidia 7200gs video card
Tosh wrote: Don Raikes wrote: Hi all, I have fedora 9 installed on my gateway desktop and it was working fine except for the fact that my video card died. I just installed a new nvidia 7200gs card (the nvidia 84000gs card wouldn't fit). Now when I try to run gnome, I get a message saying no devices were found. I am assuming I need to install some drivers, but cannot find any for linux 32-bit. Does anyone know where those pesky drivers are? First login in runtime 3 and edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf The line Containing should be changed to Driver vesa (no quotes needed) Now you reboot (or restart X) and login, you will be able to run an X environment, but you will nog have any drm or 3d support For that download your driver at : http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us yum install kernel-devel and then run the file downloaded from nvidia I seem never to have any luck being able to use the standard yum procedure, the above works always for me, but adds more work as you need to do this every time your kernel changes Wouldn't it be just better to use the rpmfusion packaged ones. And I even remember there have been mentioned on this list that the driver directly from nvidia can break things in your system. Just install the rpmfusion: su -c 'rpm -Uvh http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-stable.noarch.rpm http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-stable.noarch.rpm' And use instructions in here to install the correct driver for your card. http://rpmfusion.org/Howto/nVidia I have never had problems with rpmfusion drivers except that they usually update for the new kernel day or two later than it's out for fedora, but I have been able to live with that. And as extra benefit you can just uninstall them with yum when there is some problems. Veli-Pekka -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: fedora 9 and an nvidia 7200gs video card
Thanks for this info: Unfortunately, once I installed the rpmfusion yum configuration files, and search for the kmod-nvidia package as indicated on the howto page, I didn't find any packages. Oh well I also discovered that it helps to make sure the card itself is firmly seated in the pci slot. I opened the case up again this morning and made sure it was seated firmly, and reran /sbin/lspci and this time it showed the nvidia geforce 72 card :-) I manually edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf and changed the driver from radeon to vesa and now I can at least get into gnome using startx. -Original Message- From: Veli-Pekka Kestilä [mailto:fed...@guagua.fi] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:05 AM To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. Subject: Re: fedora 9 and an nvidia 7200gs video card Tosh wrote: Don Raikes wrote: Hi all, I have fedora 9 installed on my gateway desktop and it was working fine except for the fact that my video card died. I just installed a new nvidia 7200gs card (the nvidia 84000gs card wouldn't fit). Now when I try to run gnome, I get a message saying no devices were found. I am assuming I need to install some drivers, but cannot find any for linux 32-bit. Does anyone know where those pesky drivers are? First login in runtime 3 and edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf The line Containing should be changed to Driver vesa (no quotes needed) Now you reboot (or restart X) and login, you will be able to run an X environment, but you will nog have any drm or 3d support For that download your driver at : http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us yum install kernel-devel and then run the file downloaded from nvidia I seem never to have any luck being able to use the standard yum procedure, the above works always for me, but adds more work as you need to do this every time your kernel changes Wouldn't it be just better to use the rpmfusion packaged ones. And I even remember there have been mentioned on this list that the driver directly from nvidia can break things in your system. Just install the rpmfusion: su -c 'rpm -Uvh http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-stable.noarch.rpm http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-stable.noarch.rpm' And use instructions in here to install the correct driver for your card. http://rpmfusion.org/Howto/nVidia I have never had problems with rpmfusion drivers except that they usually update for the new kernel day or two later than it's out for fedora, but I have been able to live with that. And as extra benefit you can just uninstall them with yum when there is some problems. Veli-Pekka -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora 9 and an nvidia 7200gs video card
Don Raikes wrote: Thanks for this info: Unfortunately, once I installed the rpmfusion yum configuration files, and search for the kmod-nvidia package as indicated on the howto page, I didn't find any packages. Oh well I also discovered that it helps to make sure the card itself is firmly seated in the pci slot. I opened the case up again this morning and made sure it was seated firmly, and reran /sbin/lspci and this time it showed the nvidia geforce 72 card :-) I manually edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf and changed the driver from radeon to vesa and now I can at least get into gnome using startx. As I mentioned earlier you will not be able to run 3D appls (no OpenGL or very slow) and no desktop effects The vesa driver is a generic driver that works for all vesa compliant cards, which means 99.99% of the cards on normal pc's or laptops Wouldn't it be just better to use the rpmfusion packaged ones. And I even remember there have been mentioned on this list that the driver directly from nvidia can break things in your system. snip I have never had problems with rpmfusion drivers except that they usually update for the new kernel day or two later than it's out for fedora, but I have been able to live with that. And as extra benefit you can just uninstall them with yum when there is some problems. As stated by previously, I always run into problems with kmod packages (maybe they do not like me?), they never install properly and end up killing my system Anyway I have never had any problems with this procedure, I do the same for ATI drivers, it is easier for me and leaves me the choice which version I will use, as I download there version and compile it myself I even have had problems with the iwl3945 (at the time it was not in the kernel), but yes it is more convenient to just yum it. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora 9 and an nvidia 7200gs video card
Don Raikes wrote: Thanks for this info: Unfortunately, once I installed the rpmfusion yum configuration files, and search for the kmod-nvidia package as indicated on the howto page, I didn't find any packages. That's strange. Too bad I can't check on that as my Linux machine is running F10. Does it find anything if you just write yum search nvidia also you can check if it properly finds rpmfusion repost with yum repolist for me it shows: rpmfusion-freeRPM Fusion for Fedora 10 - Freeenabled:356 rpmfusion-free-updates RPM Fusion for Fedora 10 - Free - Updates enabled:160 rpmfusion-nonfree RPM Fusion for Fedora 10 - Nonfree enabled:137 rpmfusion-nonfree-updates RPM Fusion for Fedora 10 - Nonfree - Updates enabled: 58 Which of course should have Fedora 9 for instead of Fedora 10 also if it helps I have following nvidia packages installed, granted that my card is 6100 nForce 430 (rev a2) which is integrated on motherboard. xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-177.82-1.fc10.x86_64 xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-177.82-1.fc10.x86_64 kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.9-159.fc10.x86_64-177.82-1.fc10.7.x86_64 kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.x86_64-177.82-1.fc10.4.x86_64 kmod-nvidia-2.6.27.7-134.fc10.x86_64-177.82-1.fc10.6.x86_64 kmod-nvidia-177.82-1.fc10.7.x86_64 Hope this helps, as for everything went so smoothly with F10 that it was amazing I even got cyrus-imapd running with SSL without any problems on it. - Veli-Pekka -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
fedora 9 and an nvidia 7200gs video card
Hi all, I have fedora 9 installed on my gateway desktop and it was working fine except for the fact that my video card died. I just installed a new nvidia 7200gs card (the nvidia 84000gs card wouldn't fit). Now when I try to run gnome, I get a message saying no devices were found. I am assuming I need to install some drivers, but cannot find any for linux 32-bit. Does anyone know where those pesky drivers are? -- Oracle http://www.oracle.com Donald Raikes | Accessibility Specialist Phone: +1 602 824 6213 | Fax: +1 520 744 0826 | Mobile: +1 520 271 7608 Oracle JDeveloper Quality Assurance | Tucson, Arizona Green Oracle http://www.oracle.com/commitment Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: best video card for fedora 10
Kevin Kofler wrote: 3D acceleration is supposed to be already working, is it not? I believe that it may work with R500 cards in Fedora 10. It looks like I'll be stuck on Fedora 8 for the foreseeable future, so I haven't tried testing it. I also suspect that a dual-head setup may disable it. Have you tried the regular radeon (or ati, which will just load radeon) driver instead of radeonhd? Couldn't get dual-head to work with the radeon driver. -- Ian Pilcher arequip...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: best video card for fedora 10
Ian Pilcher wrote: I believe that it may work with R500 cards in Fedora 10. F9 updates too. It looks like I'll be stuck on Fedora 8 for the foreseeable future, Well, that explains it. F8 is no longer supported, you should have already upgraded. I also suspect that a dual-head setup may disable it. Well, that may be a source of problems, but not necessarily. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: best video card for fedora 10
I don't have much faith in Fedora to be able to run ATI cards. I have Fedora on an Intel motherboard with the integrated video, and that one works 100%, with no fiddling, now having to install firmware, or do esoteric things. My ATI eah3450 card is accepted with Firmware (Proof is that under ubuntu it works 100%) but under Fedora, I cannot get it to work with compiz or with as many combinations of resolutions and horizontal sweep frequencies. I wish I was able to lift the video stuff from Ubuntu and install it in Fedora. --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Ian Pilcher arequip...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ian Pilcher arequip...@gmail.com Subject: Re: best video card for fedora 10 To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 3:10 AM Kevin Kofler wrote: 3D acceleration is supposed to be already working, is it not? I believe that it may work with R500 cards in Fedora 10. It looks like I'll be stuck on Fedora 8 for the foreseeable future, so I haven't tried testing it. I also suspect that a dual-head setup may disable it. Have you tried the regular radeon (or ati, which will just load radeon) driver instead of radeonhd? Couldn't get dual-head to work with the radeon driver. -- Ian Pilcher arequip...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re[2]: best video card for fedora 10
On Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10:15:48 AM, Leslie wrote: ATI and Nvidia cannot match what Intel provides in terms of video drivers. Video using Intel is flawless. Cannot say the same for the other two. Leslie Leslie, Intel video is hardly flawless. An update in early December has totally broken many F10 users of the Intel driver (especially on Dell systems, myself included), so they are dead in the water for GUI mode. This is across all Linux distributions using driver/kernels since about mid-late November. If you check other postings to this mailing list, you will see that the Intel driver is being rewritten, ETA sometime in 2009. Drivers do not get rewritten for the heck of it. In the meantime, fixing the existing driver has become a low priority - unfortunate but understandable. Al --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak m...@avtechpulse.com wrote: Petrus de Calguarium wrote: Stick with the motherboard's onboard Intel graphics. Supports 3D and works great on the modern desktop. No proprietary drivers required. Just install system and go! Unless you have one of the new systems like the HP DC7900, which has Intel graphics and a DisplayPort connector... and no other video connectors... DisplayPort is not yet supported by the intel driver, at all. I slapped in an ATI card to gain a DVI port, and used the open driver. Works fine now. - Mike -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: best video card for fedora 10
Thomas Cameron wrote: I feel kinda dirty saying this, but I use the proprietary NVidia driver for it and I have been very impressed with it. As you should. ;-) If you're looking for an add-in card (i.e. non-Intel) with the best chance of having decent open source support, I'd recommend going with an ATI R500-based card. I've been able to get a very nice dual-head setup working with the radeonhd driver and my X1650 card. There's even a chance that it will have working 3-D acceleration someday. -- Ian Pilcher arequip...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: best video card for fedora 10
ATI and Nvidia cannot match what Intel provides in terms of video drivers. Video using Intel is flawless. Cannot say the same for the other two. Leslie --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak m...@avtechpulse.com wrote: From: Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak m...@avtechpulse.com Subject: Re: best video card for fedora 10 To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 9:11 AM Petrus de Calguarium wrote: Stick with the motherboard's onboard Intel graphics. Supports 3D and works great on the modern desktop. No proprietary drivers required. Just install system and go! Unless you have one of the new systems like the HP DC7900, which has Intel graphics and a DisplayPort connector... and no other video connectors... DisplayPort is not yet supported by the intel driver, at all. I slapped in an ATI card to gain a DVI port, and used the open driver. Works fine now. - Mike -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: best video card for fedora 10
Petrus de Calguarium wrote: Stick with the motherboard's onboard Intel graphics. Supports 3D and works great on the modern desktop. No proprietary drivers required. Just install system and go! Unless you have one of the new systems like the HP DC7900, which has Intel graphics and a DisplayPort connector... and no other video connectors... DisplayPort is not yet supported by the intel driver, at all. I slapped in an ATI card to gain a DVI port, and used the open driver. Works fine now. - Mike -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora 10: best video card
On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 5:07 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 16:31 -0800, Nifty Fedora Mitch wrote: Select one that does not have an onboard fan (lower power). It can also mean higher reliability, as you don't have to worry about some crappy fan (as they tend to be) seizing up, and the board overheating. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.9-73.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines don't mean to hijack this thread but don't buy anything expensive. i for one is waiting for larabee to come out and until them i have to put up with my nvidia 8600GT which can't use any of the new kernel features like kernel mode setting, gem, etc. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: best video card for fedora 10
On Tuesday 30 December 2008 03:34:38 Ed Greshko wrote: Kevin Kofler wrote: Thomas Cameron wrote: From what I typically see on the lists, NVidia cards with the proprietary driver typically work well. That is, if you don't have an overwhelming objection to using closed source drivers. You must not be reading the same lists I do... ;-) I must be on a totally different list too. Or maybe it is just that the happy people don't post too much. I also have a nVidia Corporation GeForce 7300 GT (rev a2) and use the binary blob directly from nVidia. I've been a happy nVidia camper for the past 6 years. I'm one of those happy nVidia users who don't post much :) well to this list anyway. I am currently using 7800GS and rpmfusion packaged drivers with no problems, KDE Beta runs a treat (with all the fancy desktop effects) Mobo has an NV chipset and I have had 3-4 NV video cards over the years with this mobo. Colin -- Fedora 10 (Cambridge) Registered Linux user number #342953 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: best video card for fedora 10
Kevin J. Cummings wrote: VESA, nv, nouveau, and nvidia (with 3 different versions for various cards) for nVidia hardware, the last one (three) is (are) the proprietary driver(s). ... and the others don't have working 3D acceleration, VESA and (I think) nv don't even have 2D XRender acceleration. VESA, ati, radeon, radeonhd, and fglrx for ATI hardware, the last one again being the proprietary driver. My laptop has a Mobility Radeon X1600 video chipset which requires the fglrx drivers for best use of videos, and I wish to hell it was an nVidia chipset instead on ATI. Yet you get working 2D (including Xv, which is what you probably care about the most) and 3D acceleration in the Free (as in speech) radeon driver with that chipset. As for XvMC, that card doesn't have a UVD chip (only the Radeon HD cards do), so you don't get XvMC even with the proprietary driver. When have you last tried the Free radeon driver? If it was before r5xx acceleration was added (in the F9 updates around June), then of course it was slow back then, try it again now. Oh, and some news from the Radeon HD world: http://airlied.livejournal.com/64691.html :-) Not ready for production use yet though... And probably no XvMC. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
best video card for fedora 10
Hi everyone, I have been watching this list for a while. The ati radeon video card on my gateway desktop has failed, so I am starting to look for a new video card, and am wondering which is the best for fedora 10. I will do most of my workin console mode ( run level 3), and some work in the gnome desktop. I am not a gamer of any sort, and do not plan on watching many (if any dvd's) on it. I just need basic video capabilities, and don't want ot spend a ton of money. Any suggestions appreciated. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: best video card for fedora 10
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:23:46 + (GMT) Don Raikes wrote: The ati radeon video card on my gateway desktop has failed, so I am starting to look for a new video card, and am wondering which is the best for fedora 10. I have an ATI Raedon X1550 in this computer and it works really well with the open-source driver that comes with Fedora 10. I could never get the open source driver to give me the proper resolution on my wide screen monitor with Fedora 9 and below (an Acer AL2223W) but it works great now with Fedora 10. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com DRY CLEANER BUSINESS FOR SALE ~ http://www.canadadrycleanerforsale.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
fedora 10: best video card
Hi everyone, The video card on my gateway desktop has failed, so as I shop for a new one, I am wondering what cards are best with fedora 10. I work mostly at run leve l 3 (console), with occassions when I go into the gnome desktop. I ddo not play any games, and as yet have not had a reason to watch any movies on my fedora system, but that may change. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: best video card for fedora 10
Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be any on-board graphics controller, or at least there is no external port for it :-) The system is about 5-6 years old or so. -Original Message- From: Petrus de Calguarium [mailto:kwhisk...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 2:07 PM To: fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: best video card for fedora 10 Don Raikes wrote: I will do most of my workin console mode ( run level 3), and some work in the gnome desktop. Stick with the motherboard's onboard Intel graphics. Supports 3D and works great on the modern desktop. No proprietary drivers required. Just install system and go! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora 10: best video card
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 10:46:41PM +, Don Raikes wrote: The video card on my gateway desktop has failed, so as I shop for a new one, I am wondering what cards are best with fedora 10. I work mostly at run leve l 3 (console), with occassions when I go into the gnome desktop. I ddo not play any games, and as yet have not had a reason to watch any movies on my fedora system, but that may change. Since you do not do any heavy graphics and only use Gnome on occasion any card will do.In your case it is hard to ignore any card. The cards with closed source acceleration like nVidea will run X fine without the acceleration provided by closed source (i.e. vesa mode). I always look for digital output as my display has that option and I can see the difference (with my glasses on). Look for last years card on sale. Select one that does not have an onboard fan (lower power). -- T o m M i t c h e l l Found me a new hat, now what? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: best video card for fedora 10
Don Raikes wrote: Hi everyone, I have been watching this list for a while. The ati radeon video card on my gateway desktop has failed, so I am starting to look for a new video card, and am wondering which is the best for fedora 10. I will do most of my workin console mode ( run level 3), and some work in the gnome desktop. I am not a gamer of any sort, and do not plan on watching many (if any dvd's) on it. I just need basic video capabilities, and don't want ot spend a ton of money. Any suggestions appreciated. I use an NVidia GeForce 7300 GT card that lspci reports as: nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce 7300 GT] (rev a1) I feel kinda dirty saying this, but I use the proprietary NVidia driver for it and I have been very impressed with it. I do dual head using the DVI and the VGA ports and it works great with a pair of ViewSonic 1440x900 LCD flat screens. Desktop effects and compiz-fusion do the cool wobbly window goodness. Very pretty. Using the open source driver, I've never been able to get dual head to work. Also, the open source driver doesn't seem to do accelerated 3D. I'm running RHEL 5 on this box right now but I go back and forth with Fedora depending on what I'm working on, and the NVidia driver works great with both. From what I typically see on the lists, NVidia cards with the proprietary driver typically work well. That is, if you don't have an overwhelming objection to using closed source drivers. -- Thomas -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: best video card for fedora 10
Thomas Cameron wrote: From what I typically see on the lists, NVidia cards with the proprietary driver typically work well. That is, if you don't have an overwhelming objection to using closed source drivers. You must not be reading the same lists I do... ;-) I see no ends of complaints on this list as well as the fedora-test-list and fedora-devel-list and IRC about all sorts of obscure bugs caused by proprietary drivers (and nvidia in particular). They are not supported nor even supportable by anybody other than the manufacturer, who usually does a horrible job, in particular their installer scripts invariably overwrite system libraries in a way which will break as soon as the system package is updated and which also makes uninstalling the driver a hit-or-miss experience. Don't buy NVidia! Nor a Radeon HD, those are not supported by the Free (as in speech) drivers yet either. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: best video card for fedora 10
Kevin Kofler wrote: Thomas Cameron wrote: From what I typically see on the lists, NVidia cards with the proprietary driver typically work well. That is, if you don't have an overwhelming objection to using closed source drivers. You must not be reading the same lists I do... ;-) I must be on a totally different list too. Or maybe it is just that the happy people don't post too much. I also have a nVidia Corporation GeForce 7300 GT (rev a2) and use the binary blob directly from nVidia. I've been a happy nVidia camper for the past 6 years. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: best video card for fedora 10
Don Raikes wrote: The ati radeon video card on my gateway desktop has failed, so I am starting to look for a new video card, and am wondering which is the best for fedora 10. I will do most of my workin console mode ( run level 3), and some work in the gnome desktop. I am not a gamer of any sort, and do not plan on watching many (if any dvd's) on it. I just need basic video capabilities, and don't want ot spend a ton of money. You want another Radeon, one of the cheaper ones which are also supported by the Free Software drivers. This is the current status: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATIRadeon The Radeon 7000 - X1950 range is what you're looking for. Most likely you want something on the lower end of the scale, given your requirements. Don't buy a Radeon in the X/HD 2000 - X/HD 4870 range though: * Those are not supported by the Free drivers yet, only by a buggy proprietary driver which last I checked was reported not to work on Fedora 10 at all. The DRI status page claims that first working 3D snapshot drivers are probably available by the end of 2008, but it's almost the end of 2008 already and no such thing is in sight. * They're also too expensive and powerful for the kind of use you're describing. And whatever you do, DON'T BUY NVIDIA! Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: best video card for fedora 10
Kevin Kofler wrote: Thomas Cameron wrote: From what I typically see on the lists, NVidia cards with the proprietary driver typically work well. That is, if you don't have an overwhelming objection to using closed source drivers. You must not be reading the same lists I do... ;-) I guess it depends on which lists you read and how much faith in put in the postings there. Yes, many people complain on the fedora-list about nVidia and their proprietary drivers. Many of those complaints are rooted in the fact (as you elude to below) that they are not free (as in speech). They are free to download and use (but you can't distribute them), and you just don't get the same support from nVidia as you would if you were running that less secure OS from Redmond, WA. In fact, in the MythTV world, they practically swear by nVidia and nothing else. And they don't seem to have as many problems configuring the proprietary blob as some people do here. So, it all depends on what you want to do with your video card. In another thread someone asked what card was the best for using in runlevels 1 3. Well, if all you need is a text console, then *any* VGA compatible card will do. If you want to be able to see graphics, maybe a card that support more video modes than 640x480 is better. If you want to watch video, then I would lean towards nVidia. Their video support is *much* further along than Intel or ATI. Their proprietary drivers support XvMC for some of their older hardware and VDPAU support for their newer hardware makes displaying HD video much easier on lesser capable CPUs. I'm not a gamer, so I can't speak for the gaming capabilities of the various video cards. So, each question will have different answers depending on the intended usage. I see no ends of complaints on this list as well as the fedora-test-list and fedora-devel-list and IRC about all sorts of obscure bugs caused by proprietary drivers (and nvidia in particular). They are not supported nor even supportable by anybody other than the manufacturer, who usually does a horrible job, in particular their installer scripts invariably overwrite system libraries in a way which will break as soon as the system package is updated and which also makes uninstalling the driver a hit-or-miss experience. Don't buy NVidia! Nor a Radeon HD, those are not supported by the Free (as in speech) drivers yet either. VESA, nv, nouveau, and nvidia (with 3 different versions for various cards) for nVidia hardware, the last one (three) is (are) the proprietary driver(s). I run the nvidia-96xx version on my old MX400 card which is soon to be replaced by an nVidia 6200 card (the gold standard for MythTV SD TV support). Yes, my home Fedora server is also my MythTV backend. VESA, ati, radeon, radeonhd, and fglrx for ATI hardware, the last one again being the proprietary driver. My laptop has a Mobility Radeon X1600 video chipset which requires the fglrx drivers for best use of videos, and I wish to hell it was an nVidia chipset instead on ATI. I also have a very old machine with a Radeon 7000 video card, and its practically useless for displaying even SD video. I'm not even sure about the Intel drivers, but these are mostly motherboard video chipsets, so if you have one, you don't have much choice. Kevin Kofler -- Kevin J. Cummings kjch...@rcn.com cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net cummi...@kjc386.framingham.ma.us Registered Linux User #1232 (http://counter.li.org) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Video card
On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 14:48 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Monday 06 October 2008 21:04, Dan wrote: ATI --- superb performance, both 2D and 3D. The glxgears tool typically reports thousands of fps, provided the 3D driver. For 2D there is the open-source radeon driver (provided by default in Fedora) which works less than ok for its intended usage. For 3D there are no open source drivers (yes , ATI DOES NOT SUPPORT 3D OPEN SOURCE DRIVERS, contrary to what people usually say), only ATI-supplied binary drivers which are usually completely broken and unusable. I do have usable 3d acceleration for my ATI Mobility Radeon X1400 using the open source radeon driver which is good enough for compositing and desktop effects. However, for me at least, the driver does not seem to work properly with most 3D games such as Doom3 and windows games run via wine. Quake3 on the other hands runs fine though. You will have to update Fedora after installation to benefit from the new drivers and 3d acceleration. It could be that is because of some of my settings in xorg.conf. I haven't really looked into that as I don't use my laptop for playing games. Furthermore, I do not know how well newer ATI cards work with Fedora. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Video card
Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Monday 06 October 2008 21:04, Dan wrote: Could you give me some names of Video cards that are most compatible with Fedora 9 and that have drivers for Fedora 9?? I've had experience with all three vendors, nVidia, ATI and Intel, with various versions of Fedora. But I have no other resource of information, so you should assume the AFAIK for every sentence below. nVidia --- superb performance, both 2D and 3D. The glxgears tool typically reports thousands of fps, provided the 3D driver. For 2D there is the open-source nv driver (made by nVidia and provided by default in Fedora) which works ok for its intended usage. For 3D there are no open source drivers, only nVidia-supplied binary drivers (I use the Livna rpm packages, but they are all more or less the same). ATI --- superb performance, both 2D and 3D. The glxgears tool typically reports thousands of fps, provided the 3D driver. For 2D there is the open-source radeon driver (provided by default in Fedora) which works less than ok for its intended usage. For 3D there are no open source drivers (yes , ATI DOES NOT SUPPORT 3D OPEN SOURCE DRIVERS, contrary to what people usually say), only ATI-supplied binary drivers which are usually completely broken and unusable. Intel --- satisfactory 2D performance, visibly inferior 3D performance. The glxgears tool typically reports hunderds of fps (compared to thousands of nVidia and ATI), provided the 3D driver. For both 2D and 3D there is the open source driver which is provided by default in Fedora and works out-of-the-box. Bottom-line: If you go nVidia --- you get superb graphics quality, but be prepared to install a binary-only 3D driver. It will usually Just Work (there were some reports of random memory leakage and such, but I believe that is fixed by now). Be prepared to find the 3D failing for a couple of days whenever you install a new kernel --- it takes some time for nVidia guys to adjust the driver to the new kernel API (if it is changed) and some time for the Livna guys to recompile that and push to updates. This time usually totals to 2-3 days after the kernel update (and during that time you might use the old kernel no problem). If you go Intel --- you never ever worry about any drivers anything, it will Just Work, 100%. However, be prepared to have not so perfect graphics. This can be naked-eye-visible. For example, install compiz and activate several performance-consuming effects. Open 10-15 windows simultaneously on 8 workspaces, and start rotating the cube (ok, it won't be a cube due to 8 faces :-) ...). The nVidia card will work smoothly, Intel will start choking and jerking. Reduce to 4-5 windows, they both work smoothly. Being fond of eye-candy, and a lot of open windows, I witness this (and hate it) on a daily basis. If you go ATI --- hmmm... well... just don't go ATI. I have an ATI Radeon X1550, have no 3D, while 2D sucks to the level that I cannot play a movie in fullscreen. There are no usable drivers, and this was typically the case since the Fedora Core 1 times. The open source support from ATI exists only for obsolete ATI cards, similar to the nv driver of nVidia. Binary only drivers exist, but they usually Just Don't Work, contrary to nVidia drivers that usually Just Work. I have never ever made compiz, googleearth or ppracer work with an ATI card. Whatever you choose, you'll have to allow for some compromise. On two systems with INTEL graphics F9 is a continuing source of frustration. One is HP and the other based on an ASUS motherboard. I'm happy with 2D as my objective is computation but I like to have the display area of my monitor usable. F8 and earlier worked, but the autosensing doesn't properly pick up on the card monitor combination. The ability to overide the settings with xorg.conf is gone. I submitted a bug report but there seems to be very little coming from X on drivers these days. Robert McBroom -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Video-card-tp19846434p19879654.html Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Video card
Dennis Kaptain wrote: Could you give me some names of Video cards that are most compatible with Fedora 9 and that have drivers for Fedora 9?? If you don't need a high-end gaming card, just get a motherboard that has onboard Intel graphics. It is fantastic! I used to use nvidia and always had to get the livna nvidia drivers and they never showed up on time with the new kernels, so I'd be waiting, on a few occasions a couple of weeks running an old kernel because livna hadn't yet released the appropriate nvidia kernel module. With Intel, you don't have any of this hassle, as it's all built into X. Intel supports video effects, like OpenGL compositing and Compiz-Fusion, too (although at the moment, the driver is unstable with my KDE4 setup, but it was working excellently up until the most recent X server release last week, so it is just a matter of time before all will be even better than before). Go with Intel and you'll save a bundle, too, as a MoBo costs about $150 and you've got graphics and audio and LAN and all... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Video card
On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:49:19 -0600 kwhiskerz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you don't need a high-end gaming card, just get a motherboard that has onboard Intel graphics. It is fantastic! I agree 100% with your entire post. With one small caveat: I have always gone with all Intel, all the time, but when I put a 22 widescreen monitor on this computer (Intel dual core) it had a slow crawl near the top of the screen. I very reluctantly put a 512mb ATI Raedon X1550 card in it (which supported digital output - the built-in Intel video had analog output only) and the crawl disappeared. I suspect that it was something to do with electrical interference of some kind. I still recommend Intel motherboards and use Intel video in all of my other computers. Except this one. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com DRY CLEANER BUSINESS FOR SALE ~ http://www.canadadrycleanerforsale.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Video card
On Monday 06 October 2008 21:04, Dan wrote: Could you give me some names of Video cards that are most compatible with Fedora 9 and that have drivers for Fedora 9?? I've had experience with all three vendors, nVidia, ATI and Intel, with various versions of Fedora. But I have no other resource of information, so you should assume the AFAIK for every sentence below. nVidia --- superb performance, both 2D and 3D. The glxgears tool typically reports thousands of fps, provided the 3D driver. For 2D there is the open-source nv driver (made by nVidia and provided by default in Fedora) which works ok for its intended usage. For 3D there are no open source drivers, only nVidia-supplied binary drivers (I use the Livna rpm packages, but they are all more or less the same). ATI --- superb performance, both 2D and 3D. The glxgears tool typically reports thousands of fps, provided the 3D driver. For 2D there is the open-source radeon driver (provided by default in Fedora) which works less than ok for its intended usage. For 3D there are no open source drivers (yes , ATI DOES NOT SUPPORT 3D OPEN SOURCE DRIVERS, contrary to what people usually say), only ATI-supplied binary drivers which are usually completely broken and unusable. Intel --- satisfactory 2D performance, visibly inferior 3D performance. The glxgears tool typically reports hunderds of fps (compared to thousands of nVidia and ATI), provided the 3D driver. For both 2D and 3D there is the open source driver which is provided by default in Fedora and works out-of-the-box. Bottom-line: If you go nVidia --- you get superb graphics quality, but be prepared to install a binary-only 3D driver. It will usually Just Work (there were some reports of random memory leakage and such, but I believe that is fixed by now). Be prepared to find the 3D failing for a couple of days whenever you install a new kernel --- it takes some time for nVidia guys to adjust the driver to the new kernel API (if it is changed) and some time for the Livna guys to recompile that and push to updates. This time usually totals to 2-3 days after the kernel update (and during that time you might use the old kernel no problem). If you go Intel --- you never ever worry about any drivers anything, it will Just Work, 100%. However, be prepared to have not so perfect graphics. This can be naked-eye-visible. For example, install compiz and activate several performance-consuming effects. Open 10-15 windows simultaneously on 8 workspaces, and start rotating the cube (ok, it won't be a cube due to 8 faces :-) ...). The nVidia card will work smoothly, Intel will start choking and jerking. Reduce to 4-5 windows, they both work smoothly. Being fond of eye-candy, and a lot of open windows, I witness this (and hate it) on a daily basis. If you go ATI --- hmmm... well... just don't go ATI. I have an ATI Radeon X1550, have no 3D, while 2D sucks to the level that I cannot play a movie in fullscreen. There are no usable drivers, and this was typically the case since the Fedora Core 1 times. The open source support from ATI exists only for obsolete ATI cards, similar to the nv driver of nVidia. Binary only drivers exist, but they usually Just Don't Work, contrary to nVidia drivers that usually Just Work. I have never ever made compiz, googleearth or ppracer work with an ATI card. Whatever you choose, you'll have to allow for some compromise. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Video card
On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:04:25 -0700 Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you give me some names of Video cards that are most compatible with Fedora 9 and that have drivers for Fedora 9?? If you want a system that just works and has usable 3D and effects (but not brilliant gamer mega-polygon bloodfest 3D) then the Intel stuff pretty much always just works as Intel have been working with the Linux community for some time to make that happen. ATI and VIA are now working with the community but they are coming in late and post R300 ATI stuff is still a bit wobbly at times. Nvidia don't seem to want to play so as a last resort there is an Nvidia reverse engineering project producing drivers but that of course isn't a great way to get the best driver code. Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Video card
On Monday 06 October 2008 07:27:44 pm Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you give me some names of Video cards that are most compatible with Fedora 9 and that have drivers for Fedora 9?? Thank you dan snip If I were buying something now, I'd look at Intel video cards and/or motherboards with built-in video from Intel. Several people have pointed out that Intel is actually engaged in open source research and some people say the 3D drivers for them are better. But I don't have any Intel devices to test. This page encourages me: http://support.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/CS-010512.htm They give a list of cards, and I'd stay within that list if I were you. -- Paul E. Johnson Professor, Political Science 1541 Lilac Lane, Room 504 University of Kansas Is there such a thing as an Intel video card? Or even a card using an Intel chip? When I looked into this several years back, all that I was able to find from Intel was a very high priced specialized card. I followed the link that you provided above, and everything there seemed to refer to on-board chips. -- cmg -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Video card
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 11:24:48AM -0400, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Monday 06 October 2008 07:27:44 pm Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you give me some names of Video cards that are most compatible with Fedora 9 and that have drivers for Fedora 9?? Thank you dan snip If I were buying something now, I'd look at Intel video cards and/or motherboards with built-in video from Intel. Several people have pointed out that Intel is actually engaged in open source research and some people say the 3D drivers for them are better. But I don't have any Intel devices to test. This page encourages me: http://support.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/CS-010512.htm They give a list of cards, and I'd stay within that list if I were you. -- Paul E. Johnson Professor, Political Science 1541 Lilac Lane, Room 504 University of Kansas Is there such a thing as an Intel video card? Or even a card using an Intel chip? When I looked into this several years back, all that I was able to find from Intel was a very high priced specialized card. I followed the link that you provided above, and everything there seemed to refer to on-board chips. I think most (all?) Intel video is integrated on the motherboard. -- Chris Green -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Video card
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 14:48:22 +, Marko Vojinovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ATI --- superb performance, both 2D and 3D. The glxgears tool typically reports thousands of fps, provided the 3D driver. For 2D there is the open-source radeon driver (provided by default in Fedora) which works less than ok for its intended usage. For 3D there are no open source drivers (yes , ATI DOES NOT SUPPORT 3D OPEN SOURCE DRIVERS, contrary to what people usually say), only ATI-supplied binary drivers which are usually completely broken and unusable. Older (r200s) ATI cards have had open source 3d drivers for a few years. I can play the native linux version of Neverwinter Nights reasonably with my Radeon 9200. The newer cards are getting 3d support now. I had an r530 based card getting 3d acceleration in later f9 without a problem. In rawhide things are pretty unstable because of the modeseting development going on, but the cards still mostly work. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Video card
Could you give me some names of Video cards that are most compatible with Fedora 9 and that have drivers for Fedora 9?? Thank you dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Video card
Could you give me some names of Video cards that are most compatible with Fedora 9 and that have drivers for Fedora 9?? Thank you dan Dan Fedora does not have an official Hardware compatibility list. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HCL There is a lot of good information available at http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/index.php Good luck Dennis K ¡Todo sobre Amor y Sexo! La guía completa para tu vida en Mujer de Hoy. http://mx.mujer.yahoo.com/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Video card
On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 14:04:25 -0700, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you give me some names of Video cards that are most compatible with Fedora 9 and that have drivers for Fedora 9?? Do you care if the drivers are free? Do you need high performance or mostly just reliability? What kind of busses do you have to plug the card into? What architecure is your machine? Is it a desktop, laptop, handheld? Anything else special about it that you need to work? Personally I had good success with an AGP Radeon 9200 using Fedora 9. (Rawhide Radeon support is iffy right now, but will probably be good again by the release.) It isn't real high performance, but was economical, didn't need an extra fan, was obtained for a fairly reasonable price and was able to work with a free driver bundled with Fedora. Of the more common players in the desktop area, Intel and AMD/ATI are providing information that allows Fedora to support their video cards. nVidia is not. nVidia supplies binary only drivers which imposes limitations on other packages in Fedora. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Video card
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you give me some names of Video cards that are most compatible with Fedora 9 and that have drivers for Fedora 9?? Thank you dan -- People ask this all the time, and never get a very helpful answer, I'm afraid. This might sound mean, but you might learn from my experience. I think you are barking up the wrong tree if you think the Fedora core users are going to help you very much with the choice of video hardware or the development of software. I stopped using Fedora as my main desktop OS because releases repeatedly broke the Nvidia or ATI drivers and there was an inevitable period of searching and re-compiling and yelling about the fact that the video card did not work right. In F9, the new xorg beta was used and Nvidia did not have a driver ready. The nv driver was simply full of trouble. It did not render lots of things properly for me and I thought F9 was a total bust. As it has always been with RedHat Fedora, you have to find the Nvidia commercial driver from some other source. Usually I've found the most help from livna.rpm. If the Nvidia can work, they usually know how to make it. (When F9 was released, I'd guess it was 2 or 3 weeks before there was an Nvidia RPM. And if you let F9 upgrade to the latest kernel, you'll usually have some excitement trying to rebuild the Nvidia video module to match the kernel.) You'll note they currently have no offerings for ATI on the livna site, and they do have a list of video cards that they recommend you should not get. As far as I can tell now, the test version of Nvidia does work pretty well on a Dell Latitude D820 with the Nvidia Quadro. I also have some dell workstations with older ATI Radeon X300 and getting a video config that works on them with F9 has been trouble. The radeon driver can display well enough in 2D, except for some random lines popping out now and then. No 3D, as far as I can tell. If you google enough, you'll find yourself to a howto that says you should uninstall the xorg drivers from F9 and reinstall the ones from F8. I found that unsatisfying, to say the least, but if you are a ATI owner, there may be no choice. If I were buying something now, I'd look at Intel video cards and/or motherboards with built-in video from Intel. Several people have pointed out that Intel is actually engaged in open source research and some people say the 3D drivers for them are better. But I don't have any Intel devices to test. This page encourages me: http://support.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/CS-010512.htm They give a list of cards, and I'd stay within that list if I were you. If you already have a video card and can't get it working in F9, you might try a different Linux distribution. I've tried two options, neither one quite perfect. One is to stay in the RPM framework, but switch to Centos, which is more conservative and does not push ahead of the software support. Centos is a free version of RedHat, and I'd say it lags behind Fedora's kernel video by at least a year. The downside there is that the release maintainers still contend that they have no responsibility for making sure that the proprietary drivers will work. So you go off hunting for RPMs from some place on the internet. You are likely to find them, however. The only other alternative I've tried is to switch to the Ubuntu distribution. The team there tries to co-ordinate with video software, so when they have a release, they try to make sure they can point you to a place where you can get video drivers. This site http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7895189911.html says they actually include some proprietary drivers, but I have a recollection that they did not install by default. I think I had to ask for a proprietary repository during the install. There is a linux-restricted-modules package... -- Paul E. Johnson Professor, Political Science 1541 Lilac Lane, Room 504 University of Kansas -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Video card
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you are barking up the wrong tree if you think the Fedora core users are going to help you very much with the choice of video hardware or the development of software. Indeed. It actually shocks me a little. Lots of things work, more and more as time passes. But, it seems to me, lots of relatively common things don't work. And reliable lists of working hardware are difficult to cross-reference for things like which distro it apparently worked on, or if they say so, it's relevant to FC2 or something. I, for example, have been trying to figure out if anybody has seen any dual-head pci-x card work with Fedora out of the box. I pay pretty close attention every time someone one the list brings up choosing video hardware, but every solution seems to involve recompiling some core system component or using binary drivers. And most don't get anything to work until they've appeased the Endlessly-Tweaking-Config-Files god. I keep telling myself, Someday! And that someday seems closer all the time, but as far as I can tell, it hasn't arrived yet. *sigh* -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Video card
Hello Dan, As pointed out by Dennis the Hardware Compatibility List maintained by Fedora is out of date by 4 years. I am afraid your only resource for this kind of information is experiences of other users. The HCL for other distros are not any better off either specially when you are searching for something relatively new. Probably the gentoo wiki has the most upto date list. As for me, my experience with proprietary graphics drivers (even the ones repackaged by livna) have not been pretty. Although me being a new linux convert might have a lot to do with it. If you are interested in something better than the regular inbuilt graphics chips, I would suggest you look in http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=categoryitem=Graphics%20Cards Hope this helps -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Video card
--- On Tue, 10/7/08, suvayu ali [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: suvayu ali [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Video card To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 1:57 AM Hello Dan, As pointed out by Dennis the Hardware Compatibility List maintained by Fedora is out of date by 4 years. I am afraid your only resource for this kind of information is experiences of other users. The HCL for other distros are not any better off either specially when you are searching for something relatively new. Probably the gentoo wiki has the most upto date list. As for me, my experience with proprietary graphics drivers (even the ones repackaged by livna) have not been pretty. Although me being a new linux convert might have a lot to do with it. If you are interested in something better than the regular inbuilt graphics chips, I would suggest you look in http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=categoryitem=Graphics%20Cards Hope this helps -- Suvayu the proof of the pudding is in the eating buy it, install it, if it doesn't work, get a refund otherwise you can talk forever Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Video card
What is the least amount of memory needed on a video card to take advantage of all the 3D effects offered by Fedora 9?? Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Video card
On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 09:19 -0700, Dan Steele wrote: What is the least amount of memory needed on a video card to take advantage of all the 3D effects offered by Fedora 9?? Dan Hi Dan, I've run Compiz on 64MB cards. I suspect you could go lower as long as the memory was at least several times the size of the framebuffer. Chipset support is really the issue -- almost any contemporary video card with at least tens of megabytes of RAM should be able to support Compiz (or kwin's effects) *if* the driver for the card's chipset supports the COMPOSITE extension. -Chris -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Re: Dead during installation after probe of video card
Dear G Thank you very much for your advice. I will try what you suggested. What i forgot in my first reference, that i have tried an i386 installation which worked fine, but i need the x86_64 system up and running, because i have already ordered additional 4GB of RAM. And therefor i need a 64bit system. But again thank you very much for your advice. Regards, Carsten Carsten Laun-De Lellis wrote: Video: Club3D HD3450, 256MB, ATI Radeon HD 3450, PCI-Express When i start the installation everything works fine first. The modeprobe detects the video card and anaconda starts up a few seconds later. But when i hit the Next button on the first screen the system freezes. not up on f9, so can only make a few suggestions until someone else sees your post. video card is not that new, should be seen. have you tried a text mode install? try installing a single drive, if ok, raid later. hth. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. Carsten Laun-De Lellis Dipl.-Ing. Elektrotechnik Certified Information Systems Auditor (CISA) Hauptstrasse 13 D-67705 Trippstadt Phone: +49 (6306) 992140 Mobile: +49 (1520) 9889178 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]-- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Dead during installation after probe of video card
Carsten Laun-De Lellis wrote: Dear G Thank you very much for your advice. my pleasure. wish i could have been of more help. i am stuck with 32 bit 2gb for now. i am going to hold with f8 for a while until i get multi-core, multi cpu and bring it up with xen. then i can play with new releases and still have a working system. much luck to you in getting system up. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Video Card Specs Needed
Is there a list of video cards with the following info? Card Name Chip Set Resolutions Available (or Max Resolution) Refresh Rates (by resolution) Extensions (3d etc.) Other info I remember seeing such lists on the web in the past, but can't find one now. Thanks - jon -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
TravelMate 5720G and video card driver
Dear list members, I recently bought an ACER TravelMate 5720G, on which I installed Fedora 8. The laptop has a 1280x800 display resolution and an ATI Mobility Radeon X2600 video card (according to ACER web site --- but probably it is the same as ATI HD 2600 if I well understood) Fedora 8 does not have a specific driver for such video card, therefore it proposes a generic vesa driver, which does not handle 1280x800 resolution. Therefore I downloaded and installed the ATI driver for HD 2600, from ATI web site. Now the resolution is set correctly, but as a drawback the motion of objects (like windows) on desktop is very slow and jumpy --- awful effect, really!! Did anybody experience similar problems? Does anybody has a solution to suggest? Many thanks to you all! Cheers Marcello -- Dr. Marcello Fanti, ricercatore universitario Dipartimento di Fisica, Universita` di Milano Via Celoria 16 - 20133 Milano - ITALY tel. : +39-02-50317651 , fax. : +39-02-50317624 ___ Fedora-laptop-list mailing list Fedora-laptop-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-laptop-list
