Re: TLP migration questions...
Felix Meschberger wrote: Hi, Initially, I was convinced, too, that a users@ list would not be needed given the current volume. On the other hand, and as Niclas pointed out, more and more questions are more like users@ questions than dev@ questions. Additionally, I tend to see a somewhat psychological aspect of having a users@ list: Maybe it is better for community building to have a low-barrier users@ list in addition to the dev@ list. Therefore, I now agree with Niclas, that we probably need a users@ list. I can go either way and I think Karl said he could too, so unless anyone has any major objections, I guess we can go with a users mailing list. This then raises another question. I assume that they move the mailing list archives and subscriber list from the old list to the new list...should the felix-dev archive and its subscribers move to dev or users ? - richard Just my €.02 Regards Felix On 4/19/07, Niclas Hedhman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 19 April 2007 03:31, Richard S. Hall wrote: I am not convinced that we need a users list, just brought it up for discussion. I am convinced a users@ list is appropriate. Just look at the last 10 threads on the current list (this one excluded); -1. Felix/OSGi and JADE Second Part - users@ -2. bundle with felix.auto.start.2 are not starting - users@ -3. new release - dev@ -4. Bundle symbolic name not unique? - users@ -5. Bundle repository - users@ -6. [jira] Created: (FELIX-270) iPOJO Composition Arch improve... - dev@ -7. Launching/Embedding docs - both -8. JADE and OSGI integration - users@ -9. 101.6.4 of R4.1? Service Compendium - dev@ -10. Felix TLP migration - dev@ 5 exclusive users@ list threads, 4 dev@ ones. On top of that, it is likely (although not very strong argument) that Felix will get a lot more traction once visible as TLP, and even more so with a 1.0 release out. That means more Jira issues, that most users don't want to see, et cetera. Cheers Niclas
Re: TLP migration questions...
Hi, On 4/19/07, Richard S. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: list...should the felix-dev archive and its subscribers move to dev or users ? I think, to the dev list. Regards Felix
RE: TLP migration questions...
Felix Meschberger wrote: list...should the felix-dev archive and its subscribers move to dev or users ? I think, to the dev list. Regards Felix May be to both initially? Then people can unsubscribe to either at a later time but hopefully not to both. OTOH, we don't know when users would migrate to becoming contributors to Felix too... ;) Rick Litton
Re: TLP migration questions...
On 4/18/07, Felix Meschberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... On the other hand, and as Niclas pointed out, more and more questions are more like users@ questions than dev@ questions. Additionally, I tend to see a somewhat psychological aspect of having a users@ list: Maybe it is better for community building to have a low-barrier users@ list in addition to the dev@ list. ... I agree re: having a users list. I think users hesitate to post to a developer's list for fear of scolding. Enrique
Re: TLP migration questions...
Richard S. Hall wrote: Upayavira wrote: The dev list will be [EMAIL PROTECTED] If we want a user list, it probably should be users@, although there are at least some called [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am not convinced that we need a users list, just brought it up for discussion. My thinking is that we don't have overwhelming volume on this list, so it is probably okay to keep just one...it is a pretty good mix too. Further, I find that users tend to get confused about where mail should be sent when there are multiple lists... I also think we're okay with one list at the moment. We can spin off a users list whenever we consider it necessary. One time when we may want to do so is when we start having releases that we commit to maintain. At that point we will have 'users' in the more conventional sense. At the moment, we're still a development community with some more pioneering users. Regards, Upayavira
Re: TLP migration questions...
The dev list will be [EMAIL PROTECTED] If we want a user list, it probably should be users@, although there are at least some called [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am not convinced that we need a users list, just brought it up for discussion. My thinking is that we don't have overwhelming volume on this list, so it is probably okay to keep just one...it is a pretty good mix too. Further, I find that users tend to get confused about where mail should be sent when there are multiple lists... - richard That is my impression too. More often then not what looks like a users question in the beginning turns into a dev questions before too long (which I think is great) -- hence, I'd rather stick with only the dev list for now. However, I don't care enough to argue if somebody feels strongly about it... regards, Karl And the private list becomes private@ Regards, Upayavira -- Karl Pauls [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TLP migration questions...
On Apr 18, 2007, at 21:55 , Karl Pauls wrote: I am not convinced that we need a users list, just brought it up for discussion. My thinking is that we don't have overwhelming volume on this list, so it is probably okay to keep just one...it is a pretty good mix too. Further, I find that users tend to get confused about where mail should be sent when there are multiple lists... That is my impression too. More often then not what looks like a users question in the beginning turns into a dev questions before too long (which I think is great) -- hence, I'd rather stick with only the dev list for now. However, I don't care enough to argue if somebody feels strongly about it... Our users are developers, I agree with the strategy to start with one list and split it up if necessary. Greetings, Marcel
