date:20050526

Hi, It cut way down on the number I saw. You will not fine dead ones.
They carry the boric acid back to their nest and then they explode. The
reason for that is they can't Fart

Re: KittyKind as a symbol--LONG LONG response!

Hi, I agree with you whole heartily. I have had to say no as my limit
was at 18 and that is in a one bedroom condo. There are people who just
do not realize that they are in over their head. As for the dead cats in
her backyard...Come On The live ones needed the money and time. I know
many people who have Freezers just for the remains until they can
dispose of them.

Re: can we drop the kittykind subject?

Hi, I could not have said it better

Re: Please read this response!! URGENT:DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ]

That Hospital would have had to pay for their disposal. They do not
get to dispose the expired animals for free

Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed

2005-05-26 Thread Kat

Jenn,
I know this is after the fact - but I wasn't online last night...
Dasani water (by the makers of Coke) has potassium and magnesium added.
It's probable not very much - but it's better than most water.
I hope she's doing better this morning!
Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Wed, 25 May 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 23:23:33 -0400
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 Let it be said, cats do not like fruit or fruit punch! She did, however, 
 swallow at least 2CC's worth. The yogurt has more potassium than the 
 Gatorade, and it has the beneficial gut flora too, so I think I'll keep with 
 that instead, she seems to take it better than the Gatorade. :)

 Jenn

 ~~~
 If she took something blueberry flavored she might let you syringe a bit of 
 Gatorade.. you never know!
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Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed

2005-05-26 Thread Kat

Jenn,
Also remember the raw liver shake - it can be very nourishing.
Kat (Mew Jersey)

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  Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 23:23:33 -0400
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  Let it be said, cats do not like fruit or fruit punch! She did, however, 
  swallow at least 2CC's worth. The yogurt has more potassium than the 
  Gatorade, and it has the beneficial gut flora too, so I think I'll keep 
  with that instead, she seems to take it better than the Gatorade. :)

  Jenn

  ~~~
  If she took something blueberry flavored she might let you syringe a bit of 
  Gatorade.. you never know!

Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed

   Fluids can be harmful if the cat is having fluid related heart 
problems, I have on one of my lists heard about a cat that was almost 
killed by too much fluids per the vets instructions.


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Re: Worried about Michelle

2005-05-26 Thread PEC2851




I. too have been worried about 
Michelle,
Poor girl, having to face so MANY abdolutely 
terrible illness/diseases with her babies..
And losing Prpsi.
I jusy pray Ginger is improving and Fern, is 
gomfortable.
too many major health issues going 
on.
Mu heart goes out to her and her furkids, and I 
continure to pray.
Patti

Re: starved cat -warning about those sports drinks

2005-05-26 Thread tamara stickler

Just FYI: I saw a report this past weekend on how all these sports drinks and energy waters are so horrible for the body...too much acid, it strips the calcuim right from the teeth and other bones, and most are loaded with caffine. If you must give something, ask the vet if Pedialight (sp?) used for infants would be safe for cats.Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jenn,I know this is after the fact - but I wasn't online last night...Dasani water (by the makers of Coke) has potassium and magnesium added.It's probable not very much - but it's better than most water.I hope she's doing better this morning!Kat (Mew Jersey)On Wed, 25 May 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 23:23:33 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed Let it be said, cats do not like fruit or fruit punch! She did, however, swallow at least 2CC's worth. The yogurt has more potassium than the Gatorade, and it has the beneficial gut flora too, so I think I'll keep with that instead, she seems to take it better than the Gatorade. :) Jenn
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2005-05-26 Thread tamara stickler

This is the last time I'll comment on this thread, I promise

Yes, vet hospitals, shelters, etc. DO have to pay ...per pound...to dispose of the deceased animals this is why they charge for drop offs. (This is why the owner of DAR in MD was charged with dumping carcusses from his no kill into the Baltimore County animal shelter's freezer - it wasn't just because of tresspassing, but he was costing them hundreds of dollars by leaving animals there-they now keep a pad lock and cameras trained on the freezer unit).Karolyn Lount [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That "Hospital" would have had to pay for their disposal. They do notget to dispose the expired animals for free
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Re: Jersey


Barbara,
Actually Jersey started to looked much better but he is not able to stand on his back legs.
Now he is n the clinic for X-rays and in the afternoon the doctor will call me.
There are many outcomes- transplantation, medications, nothing to be done, 
I am waiting...
Thanks
StanFrom: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Thu, 26 May 2005 09:22:41 -0400 glad to hear Jersey is liking the baby food. you can try mixing a little of regular cat food or the science diet a/d into the baby food to gradually wean him off it so he can start getting his full proper nutrients. gradually he'll hopefully go back to regular cat food. it does take time to wean them off the taste sometimes but then that's why cats are catshas the CRF group been any help? Barbara

Re: starved cat -warning about those sports drinks

2005-05-26 Thread Mia Nicer

Yes the pedialight is good, definitely stay away from the sports drink most do have caffiene and sugar with very little if any added nutrients. The Pedialite would be better than the water and sports drinks if your baby has been seldem eating and drinking.

I apoligize for not being up to date on this conversation -my computer is having problems but, I do hope your baby feels better. Our prayers are with you and your family.

Mia
tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Just FYI: I saw a report this past weekend on how all these sports drinks and energy waters are so horrible for the body...too much acid, it strips the calcuim right from the teeth and other bones, and most are loaded with caffine. If you must give something, ask the vet if Pedialight (sp?) used for infants would be safe for cats.Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jenn,I know this is after the fact - but I wasn't online last night...Dasani water (by the makers of Coke) has potassium and magnesium added.It's probable not very much - but it's better than most water.I hope she's doing better this morning!Kat (Mew Jersey)On Wed, 25 May 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 23:23:33 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed Let it be said, cats do not like fruit or fruit punch! She did, however, swallow at least 2CC's worth. The yogurt has more potassium than the Gatorade, and it has the beneficial gut flora too, so I think I'll keep with that instead, she seems to take it better than the Gatorade. :) Jenn
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Michelle Ginger and Fern and Pepsi

2005-05-26 Thread anzajaguar




Michelle,
I am so sorry about Pepsi and Fern...wow you have been through a lot all at 
once...I bet the retreat will be a great thing for you too.My prayers are 
with you to be ok...

Lisa and the 
furbratsAkira, Indy, Spooky, Mona, Lancelot, Bowtie, Bennie and 
Anza

Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed

2005-05-26 Thread Skf95111

Dear Jenn:

Do you have a dripbag of LRS and are you able to give her subQ fluids? If 
not, then use Pedialyte (fluid w/electrolytes for babies, the non-flavored 
sort) 
available at most supermarkets and give her fluids orally with a syringe, a 
little (5-10 ml) at a time every hour or so. Give her small amounts of food, 
more often, to start with and your Nutrical mix or NC with some strained baby 
meat and Pedialyte would be OK.  The Nutrical has sugar in it for energy as 
well as B-vites and iron.  If she is starving you don't want to overwhelm the 
GI 
tract with a large amount of food at one time right away.

The condition cats get who don't eat (hepatic lipidosis) is more apt to occur 
with a cat who is obese/overweight than one who has been starved over time, 
but I've never had to deal with that so can't really offer insight based on 
experience.  Other listmembers can better advise you about that condition.

Basically, keep her warm, keep her hydrated and give her small amounts of 
food more often.  Any type of immune support you have available (Vit. C, 
Transfer 
Factor, olive leaf extract, etc. would also be helpful). I would take her to 
a vet for evaluation as soon as you can get a regular appointment.  If you 
know anyone who is knowledgeable about homeopathy, there may be some remedies 
that would be helpful as well.  Try posting on Holisticat.com...I am a 
listemember and will check in later on after I finish feeding my furkids and 
will let 
you know if I get any helpful feedback.  

Bless you for trying to help this unfortunate furbaby.  I'll be praying she 
will respond to your care, turn out to be FIV/FeLV negative and able to bounce 
back.

Sally in San Jose

Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed

2005-05-26 Thread TenHouseCats

you're right, of course, belinda, in cases of diagnosed heart
conditions; i wasn't thinking things out guess this is a good one
to research in advance--i'm not sure that i'd choose the possibility
of harm over the probability of the benefits of hydration, tho,
especially in the case of a cat who was starving h. good thing
to think about...

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Digby has passed ....

2005-05-26 Thread Marlene Chornie




Dear Group,

 It is with great sadness that I tell you that Digby 
crossed over on Tues. evening (Mar. 24th). I had taken him to the vet 
clinic that morning, to obtain some repeat blood work to check his numbers from 
the previous week. Our intent was to then take him the next morning to see 
his regular vet for a follow-up assessment and results from the blood tests, and 
then more than likely make our "decision". 
 We had been syringe feeding him this past weekend, since 
Sat. evening when he just couldn't/wouldn't take anything we had been hand 
feeding him. Thankfully, this kept his strength and weight up. In 
between feedings, he was comfortable in his various "safe places" 
sleeping. Late Tues. afternoon, after he used the litter boxhe 
immediately became winded - laid down on the floor, panting and softly moaning 
when he exhaled. I knew that was his "sign" to me. I called my 
husband to come home from work and when he arrived we called the vet 
clinic. They had run their own PCV (Hematocrit), and it was down to 10% (N 
= 24 - 45%). Two of the vets came to the house after we had some time to 
spend with Digby. One of the vets had requested to come with the other 
one, as she had come here last summer to help our CRF baby "Casper" cross, and 
said she wanted to be with us this time as well. We were very touched by 
her compassion and concern for us. 
 Digby passed very peacefully in his favourite spot - in 
our bay window on a pillow looking outside at the birds. He gently laid 
his head down and closed his eyes. We were so relieved at the peacefulness 
and tranquility of it.
 That morning, I had discussed our wishes with the vet 
clinic. Digby will be separately cremated and his ashes returned to us in 
an urn. We made it known to them that if they wished to autopsy him for 
tissue samples, etc. to gain perhaps some more insight into Feline Leukemia, 
that was O.K. with us. Our thought is that perhaps Digby's passing can 
serve some greater good for others suffering with this. They felt that the 
Animal Health Lab at the Veterinary College in our province would be interested 
in samples, to add the information to their database. This lab is the one 
that had done most of Digby's blood tests.
 I will continue to read the posts on this forum, as our 
other furbaby Pekoe is also FelV+. He's doing fine healthwise - as far as 
we know. I believe he realizes that Digby isn't here anymore, but I know 
he'll be fine. Many thanks to all of you for sharing your trials and 
tribulations. I would like to share a phrase with you that I came across 
just yesterday. I find it very consoling at this time - 

"A gentle sleep is sometimes the kindest answer to the most impossible 
question of all ..."

Marlene

Re: Digby has passed ....

2005-05-26 Thread Mia Nicer

I'm so sorry. Please know we are here for you.

Mia and kittiesMarlene Chornie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Dear Group,

It is with great sadness that I tell you that Digby crossed over on Tues. evening (Mar. 24th). I had taken him to the vet clinic that morning, to obtain some repeat blood work to check his numbers from the previous week. Our intent was to then take him the next morning to see his regular vet for a follow-up assessment and results from the blood tests, and then more than likely make our "decision".
We had been syringe feeding him this past weekend, since Sat. evening when he just couldn't/wouldn't take anything we had been hand feeding him. Thankfully, this kept his strength and weight up. In between feedings, he was comfortable in his various "safe places" sleeping. Late Tues. afternoon, after he used the litter boxhe immediately became winded - laid down on the floor, panting and softly moaning when he exhaled. I knew that was his "sign" to me. I called my husband to come home from work and when he arrived we called the vet clinic. They had run their own PCV (Hematocrit), and it was down to 10% (N = 24 - 45%). Two of the vets came to the house after we had some time to spend with Digby. One of the vets had requested to come with the other one, as she had come here last summer to help our CRF baby "Casper" cross, and said she wanted to be with us this time as well. We were very touched by her
compassion and concern for us.
Digby passed very peacefully in his favourite spot - in our bay window on a pillow looking outside at the birds. He gently laid his head down and closed his eyes. We were so relieved at the peacefulness and tranquility of it.
That morning, I had discussed our wishes with the vet clinic. Digby will be separately cremated and his ashes returned to us in an urn. We made it known to them that if they wished to autopsy him for tissue samples, etc. to gain perhaps some more insight into Feline Leukemia, that was O.K. with us. Our thought is that perhaps Digby's passing can serve some greater good for others suffering with this. They felt that the Animal Health Lab at the Veterinary College in our province would be interested in samples, to add the information to their database. This lab is the one that had done most of Digby's blood tests.
I will continue to read the posts on this forum, as our other furbaby Pekoe is also FelV+. He's doing fine healthwise - as far as we know. I believe he realizes that Digby isn't here anymore, but I know he'll be fine. Many thanks to all of you for sharing your trials and tribulations. I would like to share a phrase with you that I came across just yesterday. I find it very consoling at this time -

"A gentle sleep is sometimes the kindest answer to the most impossible question of all ..."

Marlene
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Re: Digby has passed ....

2005-05-26 Thread Barb Moermond

Marlene,
I am so sorry it was Digby's time. What wonderful compassionate vets you have, definitely keepers:) How peaceful for Digby to be able to pass in his favorite place, surrounded by his loving family, feeling safe and confident.
Our thoughts and tears are with you.
HUGSMarlene Chornie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Dear Group,

"A gentle sleep is sometimes the kindest answer to the most impossible question of all ..."

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RE: Digby has passed ....

2005-05-26 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.

Title: Message

Dear
Marlene
I'm so
sorry to hear you've lost your dear little Digby, after the hard struggle you
and he have gone through.
I'm
amazed and impressed by the vet who came because she wanted to be with you all.
Vets really do come in all "shapes and sizes."
I had
also never thought about the autopsy possibilities. (My two that I lost, Caramel
and Levi, were also cremated separately and returned to me.) Digby's legacy is a
wonderful one.
This is such a sad time for you and your
husband, and Pekoe. Please know I'm thinking of you all.
Kerry

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On Behalf Of Marlene ChornieSent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 11:28
AMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Digby has passed

Dear Group,

It is with great sadness that I tell you that Digby
crossed over on Tues. evening (Mar. 24th). I had taken him to the vet
clinic that morning, to obtain some repeat blood work to check his numbers from
the previous week. Our intent was to then take him the next morning to see
his regular vet for a follow-up assessment and results from the blood tests, and
then more than likely make our "decision".
We had been syringe feeding him this past weekend, since
Sat. evening when he just couldn't/wouldn't take anything we had been hand
feeding him. Thankfully, this kept his strength and weight up. In
between feedings, he was comfortable in his various "safe places"
sleeping. Late Tues. afternoon, after he used the litter boxhe
immediately became winded - laid down on the floor, panting and softly moaning
when he exhaled. I knew that was his "sign" to me. I called my
husband to come home from work and when he arrived we called the vet
clinic. They had run their own PCV (Hematocrit), and it was down to 10% (N
= 24 - 45%). Two of the vets came to the house after we had some time to
spend with Digby. One of the vets had requested to come with the other
one, as she had come here last summer to help our CRF baby "Casper" cross, and
said she wanted to be with us this time as well. We were very touched by
her compassion and concern for us.
Digby passed very peacefully in his favourite spot - in
our bay window on a pillow looking outside at the birds. He gently laid
his head down and closed his eyes. We were so relieved at the peacefulness
and tranquility of it.
That morning, I had discussed our wishes with the vet
clinic. Digby will be separately cremated and his ashes returned to us in
an urn. We made it known to them that if they wished to autopsy him for
tissue samples, etc. to gain perhaps some more insight into Feline Leukemia,
that was O.K. with us. Our thought is that perhaps Digby's passing can
serve some greater good for others suffering with this. They felt that the
Animal Health Lab at the Veterinary College in our province would be interested
in samples, to add the information to their database. This lab is the one
that had done most of Digby's blood tests.
I will continue to read the posts on this forum, as our
other furbaby Pekoe is also FelV+. He's doing fine healthwise - as far as
we know. I believe he realizes that Digby isn't here anymore, but I know
he'll be fine. Many thanks to all of you for sharing your trials and
tribulations. I would like to share a phrase with you that I came across
just yesterday. I find it very consoling at this time -

"A gentle sleep is sometimes the kindest answer to the most impossible
question of all ..."

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Re: Digby has passed ....

2005-05-26 Thread carlas

Marleen

My heart goes out to you at this time. I know that Digby will be 
missed and will live in your hearts forever.

Again I am truly sorry for your loss of sweet Digby.

Carla



From:   Marlene Chornie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date sent:  Thu, 26 May 2005 12:28:24 -0400
Subject:Digby has passed 
Send reply to:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Dear Group,
 
 It is with great sadness that I tell you that Digby crossed over
 on Tues. evening (Mar. 24th).  I had taken him to the vet clinic
 that morning, to obtain some repeat blood work to check his
 numbers from the previous week.  Our intent was to then take him
 the next morning to see his regular vet for a follow-up assessment
 and results from the blood tests, and then more than likely make
 our decision.  We had been syringe feeding him this past
 weekend, since Sat. evening when he just couldn't/wouldn't take
 anything we had been hand feeding him.  Thankfully, this kept his
 strength and weight up.  In between feedings, he was comfortable
 in his various safe places sleeping.  Late Tues. afternoon,
 after he used the litter box he immediately became winded - laid
 down on the floor, panting and softly moaning when he exhaled.  I
 knew that was his sign to me.  I called my husband to come home
 from work and when he arrived we called the vet clinic.  They had
 run their own PCV (Hematocrit), and it was down to 10% (N = 24 -
 45%).  Two of the vets came to the house after we had some time to
 spend with Digby.  One of the vets had requested to come with the
 other one, as she had come here last summer to help our CRF baby
 Casper cross, and said she wanted to be with us this time as
 well.  We were very touched by her compassion and concern for us. 
 Digby passed very peacefully in his favourite spot - in our bay
 window on a pillow looking outside at the birds.  He gently laid
 his head down and closed his eyes.  We were so relieved at the
 peacefulness and tranquility of it. That morning, I had discussed
 our wishes with the vet clinic.  Digby will be separately cremated
 and his ashes returned to us in an urn.  We made it known to them
 that if they wished to autopsy him for tissue samples, etc. to
 gain perhaps some more insight into Feline Leukemia, that was O.K.
 with us.  Our thought is that perhaps Digby's passing can serve
 some greater good for others suffering with this.  They felt that
 the Animal Health Lab at the Veterinary College in our province
 would be interested in samples, to add the information to their
 database.  This lab is the one that had done most of Digby's blood
 tests. I will continue to read the posts on this forum, as our
 other furbaby Pekoe is also FelV+.  He's doing fine healthwise -
 as far as we know.  I believe he realizes that Digby isn't here
 anymore, but I know he'll be fine.  Many thanks to all of you for
 sharing your trials and tribulations.  I would like to share a
 phrase with you that I came across just yesterday.  I find it very
 consoling at this time - 
 
 A gentle sleep is sometimes the kindest answer to the most impossible
 question of all ...
 
 Marlene

Re: Jersey


I have bad news form the vet. she said the problem was somewhere beteen the kidneys. I am confused. Is the leukimia really causing everything or the doctor cannot find the reason?
Yestereday he was eating good and looked good. Are the doctors really qualified enough?
She offered me euthanesia. 
I am not going to accept, but I am very confused.
What might cause the deficiency in the back legs if not the kidney CRF???
Stan
---BeginMessage---

Barbara,
Actually Jersey started to looked much better but he is not able to stand on his back legs.
Now he is n the clinic for X-rays and in the afternoon the doctor will call me.
There are many outcomes- transplantation, medications, nothing to be done, 
I am waiting...
Thanks
StanFrom: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Thu, 26 May 2005 09:22:41 -0400 glad to hear Jersey is liking the baby food. you can try mixing a little of regular cat food or the science diet a/d into the baby food to gradually wean him off it so he can start getting his full proper nutrients. gradually he'll hopefully go back to regular cat food. it does take time to wean them off the taste sometimes but then that's why cats are catshas the CRF group been any help? Barbara



---End Message---

Re: Digby has passed ....

2005-05-26 Thread tamara stickler

Marlene,

I'm so sorry to hear about Digby. I'm glad he was able to pass with you near, in his favorite spot. What a wonderful idea you had about allowing his body to be examined! I wish I had had the presence of mind to do that when Quintapus passed-it never occured to me, but I will remember for the future. You're wonderful. In your love and care of Digby and in your selfless act for others.

God bless you both, and Pekoe too!

TMarlene Chornie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Dear Group,

"A gentle sleep is sometimes the kindest answer to the most impossible question of all ..."

Marlene
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RE: Digby has passed ....

2005-05-26 Thread Doljan, Joan

Title: Message



Marlene,

I am 
so sorry about Digby. That he passed so gently,in his favorite 
spot surrounded by people who loved him, is indeed a 
blessing.
Take 
care and again, please accept my sympathies,

Joan

  
  -Original Message-From: Marlene Chornie 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:28 
  PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Digby has 
  passed 
  Dear Group,
  
   It is with great sadness that I tell you that Digby 
  crossed over on Tues. evening (Mar. 24th). I had taken him to the vet 
  clinic that morning, to obtain some repeat blood work to check his numbers 
  from the previous week. Our intent was to then take him the next morning 
  to see his regular vet for a follow-up assessment and results from the blood 
  tests, and then more than likely make our "decision". 
   We had been syringe feeding him this past weekend, 
  since Sat. evening when he just couldn't/wouldn't take anything we had been 
  hand feeding him. Thankfully, this kept his strength and weight 
  up. In between feedings, he was comfortable in his various "safe places" 
  sleeping. Late Tues. afternoon, after he used the litter boxhe 
  immediately became winded - laid down on the floor, panting and softly moaning 
  when he exhaled. I knew that was his "sign" to me. I called my 
  husband to come home from work and when he arrived we called the vet 
  clinic. They had run their own PCV (Hematocrit), and it was down to 10% 
  (N = 24 - 45%). Two of the vets came to the house after we had some time 
  to spend with Digby. One of the vets had requested to come with the 
  other one, as she had come here last summer to help our CRF baby "Casper" 
  cross, and said she wanted to be with us this time as well. We were very 
  touched by her compassion and concern for us. 
   Digby passed very peacefully in his favourite spot - 
  in our bay window on a pillow looking outside at the birds. He gently 
  laid his head down and closed his eyes. We were so relieved at the 
  peacefulness and tranquility of it.
   That morning, I had discussed our wishes with the vet 
  clinic. Digby will be separately cremated and his ashes returned to us 
  in an urn. We made it known to them that if they wished to autopsy him 
  for tissue samples, etc. to gain perhaps some more insight into Feline 
  Leukemia, that was O.K. with us. Our thought is that perhaps Digby's 
  passing can serve some greater good for others suffering with this. They 
  felt that the Animal Health Lab at the Veterinary College in our province 
  would be interested in samples, to add the information to their 
  database. This lab is the one that had done most of Digby's blood 
  tests.
   I will continue to read the posts on this forum, as 
  our other furbaby Pekoe is also FelV+. He's doing fine healthwise - as 
  far as we know. I believe he realizes that Digby isn't here anymore, but 
  I know he'll be fine. Many thanks to all of you for sharing your trials 
  and tribulations. I would like to share a phrase with you that I came 
  across just yesterday. I find it very consoling at this time - 
  
  "A gentle sleep is sometimes the kindest answer to the most impossible 
  question of all ..."
  
  Marlene

Re: Digby has passed ....

2005-05-26 Thread Barbara Baass

I am so sorry for your loss, and glad thatDigby did not suffer. It was a nice thing for your vet to come to the house. I had a CRF kitty that died in pain 4 years ago that and it was so heart breaking to see. I hope i never have to go through that again. How old was Digby?
Barbara BaassMarlene Chornie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Dear Group,

"A gentle sleep is sometimes the kindest answer to the most impossible question of all ..."

Marlene
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Re: Jersey

2005-05-26 Thread BONNIE J KALMBACH

Stan,
   Cats with chronic renal failure/kidney disease are said to have rear 
leg weakness from lack of phosphorus. 

Bonnie 

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Barbara,
Actually Jersey started to looked much better but he is not able to stand on his back legs.
Now he is n the clinic for X-rays and in the afternoon the doctor will call me.
There are many outcomes- transplantation, medications, nothing to be done, 
I am waiting...
Thanks
StanFrom: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Thu, 26 May 2005 09:22:41 -0400 glad to hear Jersey is liking the baby food. you can try mixing a little of regular cat food or the science diet a/d into the baby food to gradually wean him off it so he can start getting his full proper nutrients. gradually he'll hopefully go back to regular cat food. it does take time to wean them off the taste sometimes but then that's why cats are catshas the CRF group been any help? Barbara


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Re: Digby has passed ....

2005-05-26 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

I am sorry for your loss Marlene, Digby is I am sure better now, my thoughts and prayers are with you.
CherieMarlene Chornie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Dear Group,

"A gentle sleep is sometimes the kindest answer to the most impossible question of all ..."

MarleneHave a purrfect day
Cherie

Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed: UPDATE




Thanks to everyone for all the advice. I called my vet today 
(the better one), and told them what I had, and what I was doing, and they said 
without bringing her in for bloodwork (which would require a 12 hour fasting 
that I don't think she would live through at this point), I was doing everything 
right, and to keep up what I'm doing. Today, when I took her out of the kennel 
to wobble around while I made her breakfast goo, she found my other cat's dry 
food and was eating it like there was no tomorrow! I put the mush in her face, 
and she ate about half of it too. So far, she still will not drink though 
(that's one of the reasons why I'm doing the wet food mixture still). I checked 
her today, and she is much less dehydrated already, and she seems to be 
spunkier, wanting to explore the house (but of course, falling over every few 
steps in the rear). I went to the store first thing this morning (I live in a 
very rural area, and all the stores were closed last night after 8 pm when I got 
her) and bought some unflavored Pedilyte, and plan to syringe that into her 
shortly (I'm aiming for 9 CC's), in addition to using that in the food goo mix 
instead of regular water. I'm about to go on an unflavored yogurt hunt in a few 
minutes, I tried one store, but none of the non-fruity ones had any potassium. 
She may end up with more fruit yogurt. I don't think the fruit will do her any 
harm, one of my healthy cats BEGS for the stuff, and I always share with him, 
and he's healthy as can be. So far, still no signs of need for the cat box. I've 
since looked online, and she is what is known these days as a Snowshoe Cat. In 
fact, she's a classic example of the breed. Jeff (my boyfriend) is already 
highly attached to her. I think it was love at first meow for him (she has the 
biggest most desperate sounding meow). He says she is the cutest little thing he 
has ever seen, I think he just found his breed of choice.
Jenn

~~~I 
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must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker 
collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free 
can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!

If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address 
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Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed: UPDATE

2005-05-26 Thread Nina





Jenn, 
That all sounds very promising, especially Jeff's love at first meow!
I agree about the fasting. There's no way I would withhold food from
an emaciated kitty. If she's showing signs of rehydration, I wouldn't
worry too much about her not drinking. Cats get most of their water
from their food anyway. I knew that little urchin was going to worm
her way into your hearts! Thanks for the update.
Nina


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  Thanks to everyone for all the advice. I called
my vet today (the better one), and told them what I had, and what I was
doing, and they said without bringing her in for bloodwork (which would
require a 12 hour fasting that I don't think she would live through at
this point), I was doing everything right, and to keep up what I'm
doing. Today, when I took her out of the kennel to wobble around while
I made her breakfast goo, she found my other cat's dry food and was
eating it like there was no tomorrow! I put the mush in her face, and
she ate about half of it too. So far, she still will not drink though
(that's one of the reasons why I'm doing the wet food mixture still). I
checked her today, and she is much less dehydrated already, and she
seems to be spunkier, wanting to explore the house (but of course,
falling over every few steps in the rear). I went to the store first
thing this morning (I live in a very rural area, and all the stores
were closed last night after 8 pm when I got her) and bought some
unflavored Pedilyte, and plan to syringe that into her shortly (I'm
aiming for 9 CC's), in addition to using that in the food goo mix
instead of regular water. I'm about to go on an unflavored yogurt hunt
in a few minutes, I tried one store, but none of the non-fruity ones
had any potassium. She may end up with more fruit yogurt. I don't think
the fruit will do her any harm, one of my healthy cats BEGS for the
stuff, and I always share with him, and he's healthy as can be. So far,
still no signs of need for the cat box. I've since looked online, and
she is what is known these days as a Snowshoe Cat. In fact, she's a
classic example of the breed. Jeff (my boyfriend) is already highly
attached to her. I think it was love at first meow for him (she has the
biggest most desperate sounding meow). He says she is the cutest little
thing he has ever seen, I think he just found his breed of choice.
  
  
Jenn
  
  ~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs
cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add
up until she earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
  
  If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me
for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!
  

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Re: Jersey




sorry. I have no experience with CRF or Jersey's 
problem of weak back legs. what do the cat owners on the CRF say? has anyone 
there offered any helpful info or suggestions? 
Have you asked your vet for referral to a 
specialist(if you can afford the vet fees?)---don't be worried about hurting 
your vet's feelings in asking to discuss Jersey with another vet. has anyone on 
the CRF list recommended a vet in your area? 

why did the vet suggest euthanasia? 

It has been discussed on this list before I 
believe--the reasons for considering being a beloved pet to sleep. hopefully 
someone else can post them for you--i just got back from a platelets 
donation so kinda tired. also many of us have our own personal criteria for 
judging when an animal is no longer enjoying life. frankly if your cat is 
eating, I would consider that a good sign. is he getting nutrients from the 
food--when my dog had cancer, her bowel movements were proof her food was not 
being digested properly adding to her weakened condition. is Jersey able to have 
movements? is he able to get around on his own at all? someone on the CRF 
group should be able to recommend a form of phosphorus for your cat. A cat 
testing postive for feline leukemia is not reason enough to put to sleep an 
animal though sadly many vets still feel that because their training has been 
that the pet will die anyway sooner or later. 
Not knowing why you selected this particular vet I 
can offer no answer if the vet is qualified. was the vet recommended to 
you? is there perhaps a veterinary school in your state? can you ask 
your vet to explain better what she means by the problem is somewhere between 
the kidneys? 
perhaps there might be some info on the www.holisticat.com website. I believe the 
founder of the site-her cat was crf also. there is an archive you can look 
through--and also a mailing list to join if you so desire to ask questions and 
for help.
good luck. remember to enjoy your time with Jersey 
and not worry yourself all the time so that you lose what time you have with 
him. I know it's easier said than done but allow yourself time to just love your 
pet.
barbara


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  stany 
  petrov 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:57 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Jersey
  
  
  
  I have bad news form the vet. she said the problem was somewhere beteen the 
  kidneys. I am confused. Is the leukimia really causing everything or the 
  doctor cannot find the reason?
  Yestereday he was eating good and looked good. Are the doctors really 
  qualified enough?
  She offered me euthanesia. 
  I am not going to accept, but I am very confused.
  What might cause the deficiency in the back legs if not the kidney 
  CRF???
  Stan

Re: Jersey


Thanks a lot Barbara. I just chose the vet from the list. I can afford to pay let's say 500- 600. By the way, I have a pet insuarance but it is from a month ago. I don't know if they cover past diseases? 
Does anybody know about that?
I mean, insuarance companies have lots of protection. 
I am going to talk with another vet probably. He is moving hard, but can walk to the litterbox.
I am picking him today and keep feeding him with the baby food...

Stan
From: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:51:52 -0400sorry. I have no experience with CRF or Jersey's problem of weak back legs. what do the cat owners on the CRF say? has anyone there offered any helpful info or suggestions?Have you asked your vet for referral to a specialist(if you can afford the vet fees?)---don't be worried about hurting your vet's feelings in asking to discuss Jersey with another vet. has anyone on the CRF list recommended a vet in your area?why did the vet suggest euthanasia?It has been discussed on this list before I believe--the reasons for considering being a beloved pet to sleep. hopefully someone else can post them for you--i just 
gotback from a platelets donation so kinda tired. also many of us have our own personal criteria for judging when an animal is no longer enjoying life. frankly if your cat is eating, I would consider that a good sign. is he getting nutrients from the food--when my dog had cancer, her bowel movements were proof her food was not being digested properly adding to her weakened condition. is Jersey able to have movements? is he able to get around on his own at all?someone on the CRF group should be able to recommend a form of phosphorus for your cat. A cat testing postive for feline leukemia is not reason enough to put to sleep an animal though sadly many vets still feel that because their training has been that the pet will die anyway sooner or later.Not knowing why you selected this particular vet I can offer no answer if the vet is qualified. was the vet 
recommended to you?is there perhaps a veterinary school in your state?can you ask your vet to explain better what she means by the problem is somewhere between the kidneys?perhaps there might be some info on the www.holisticat.com website. I believe the founder of the site-her cat was crf also. there is an archive you can look through--and also a mailing list to join if you so desire to ask questions and for help.good luck. remember to enjoy your time with Jersey and not worry yourself all the time so that you lose what time you have with him. I know it's easier said than done but allow yourself time to just love your pet.barbara - Original Message - From: stany petrov To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:57 
PM Subject: Re: Jersey I have bad news form the vet. she said the problem was somewhere beteen the kidneys. I am confused. Is the leukimia really causing everything or the doctor cannot find the reason? Yestereday he was eating good and looked good. Are the doctors really qualified enough? She offered me euthanesia. I am not going to accept, but I am very confused. What might cause the deficiency in the back legs if not the kidney CRF??? Stan

Re: Digby has passed ....




I'm so very sorry for your loss Marlene. I only wish that my 
cats could have gone in such a wonderfully peaceful way. None of my local vets 
will do house calls, your vet sounds like a great person. It sounds like you did 
the absolute best you could for Digby, and you should be proud of that. Peace be 
with you during this time of grief. 

In Sympathy,
Jenn
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Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed: UPDATE

2005-05-26 Thread BONNIE J KALMBACH

Great work Jenn! 

Let's hope she turns out felv negative.

Bonnie

 www.elephants.com



Thanks to everyone for all the advice. I called my vet today 
(the better one), and told them what I had, and what I was doing, and they said 
without bringing her in for bloodwork (which would require a 12 hour fasting 
that I don't think she would live through at this point), I was doing everything 
right, and to keep up what I'm doing. Today, when I took her out of the kennel 
to wobble around while I made her breakfast goo, she found my other cat's dry 
food and was eating it like there was no tomorrow! I put the mush in her face, 
and she ate about half of it too. So far, she still will not drink though 
(that's one of the reasons why I'm doing the wet food mixture still). I checked 
her today, and she is much less dehydrated already, and she seems to be 
spunkier, wanting to explore the house (but of course, falling over every few 
steps in the rear). I went to the store first thing this morning (I live in a 
very rural area, and all the stores were closed last night after 8 pm when I got 
her) and bought some unflavored Pedilyte, and plan to syringe that into her 
shortly (I'm aiming for 9 CC's), in addition to using that in the food goo mix 
instead of regular water. I'm about to go on an unflavored yogurt hunt in a few 
minutes, I tried one store, but none of the non-fruity ones had any potassium. 
She may end up with more fruit yogurt. I don't think the fruit will do her any 
harm, one of my healthy cats BEGS for the stuff, and I always share with him, 
and he's healthy as can be. So far, still no signs of need for the cat box. I've 
since looked online, and she is what is known these days as a Snowshoe Cat. In 
fact, she's a classic example of the breed. Jeff (my boyfriend) is already 
highly attached to her. I think it was love at first meow for him (she has the 
biggest most desperate sounding meow). He says she is the cutest little thing he 
has ever seen, I think he just found his breed of choice.
Jenn

~~~I 
collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker 
collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free 
can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!

If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address 
you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!
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Re: Jersey

   Stan try to get Eubanuka or Science Diet AD to feed him they are 
both high in calories and can be blended to syringe feed if necessary.  
Try and get atleast a can's worth into Jersey through-out the day.  Both 
can be bought from a vet, I think you can buy the Eubanuka at a pet 
store also, but not sure.  The raw-liver shake recipe is also good for 
kitties that are failing.  If you joined one of the CRF lists, you 
should get very good information about the potassium question.


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  Marlene,
 I'm very sorrow to hear that Digby has passed, he is forever in your 
heart.  Take care ...


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Re: Jersey




I have one of the petmate fresh flowfountains, and my 
cats LOVE it (though I still have one that HAS to have you turn the bathroom 
sink faucet on everytime you go into the bathroom). If you buy one, go ahead and 
buy MANY refill filters, because in my experience they only last 2 weeks max, 
then they begin to get yucky and the cats are turned off by it. Make sure you 
don't have hard water in your area, if you do, use bottled water in the 
fountain, the pump will last longer that way and the cleaning will be SO much 
easier! If you find he prefers COLD water, the petmate fountains even have a 
hollow under them, and you can wedge one of those soft refreezable cold packs up 
under the fountain to keep the water cold. (though it is hard to pick up and set 
down when completely full without spilling water)
Jenn

~~~I 
collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker 
collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free 
can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!

If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address 
you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!
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Re: starved cat -warning about those sports drinks

Gatorade has water, glucose, sucrose, citric acid, salt,
potassium, colors, and flavors, NO CAFFEINE. I would NEVER be stupid enough to
give any pet any caffeine.

Glucose and sucrose are quick sources of carbohydrates, and
carbs are fast acting calories, which converts into easy to process energy,
certainly not something I would think of as a bad thing for a cat that is
"running on fumes" so to speak.

I think you are thinking the of new "energy" drinks, such as
Red Bull, Hype, Monster Assault, and AMP. These ARE bad, basically just soda
with extra caffeine, and juice, plus many have tons of herbs which have never
been tested by the FDA to even be safe for adults, much less for growing kids.
What's bad for your obese or hyperactive human child, may not be for a weak,
starving cat. I think most things kids eat or drink now-a-days are "bad" for
them, because it is either rotting their teeth out with sugar and acid, or
making them hyper or fat, depending on each child's metabolism. Kool-Aid and
penny candy was bad for us as kids too, it's just that back then no one had
studied it and put a label on it yet (and our familymade us more rounded
dinners to make up for it back then). There's a reason why type 2 diabetes is in
epidemic proportions today, and it's a problem with our society and how we live
our lives, more so than anyone can blame sports or energy drinks. It's the fact
that kids don't walk to school much anymore, don't brush their teeth 3 times a
day, and don't have high energy hobbies as much as they used to (thinktv
and video games compared to hopscotch and jumprope). Don't take me wrong, I'm
just as fat and lazy as the next typical American.

I do have plain unflavored Pedialyte now, the stores were all
closed last night when I got her.

Not all acid is bad, BTW, vitamin C is actually Ascorbic Acid!
I was considering adding a bit of that into my mixture, actually, but it tastes
so bad, it may turn her off from eating.

Even the unflavored pedialyte has Citric Acid, though less
than the adult sports drinks do (it's used for flavor in the sports drinks, it's
used mainly as a preservative in pedialyte). Taken from an
online source:

Citric acid is a weak organic acid
found in citrus
fruits. It is a good, natural preservative and is also used to add an acidic (sour)
taste to foods and soft
drinks. In biochemistry, it is important as an intermediate in the
citric
acid cycle and therefore occurs in the metabolism of almost all living things. It also serves
as an environmentally friendly cleaning agent and acts as an antioxidant.

Citric acid exists in a variety of fruits and vegetables, but it is most
concentrated in lemons and limes, where it can comprise as much as 8% of the dry
weight of the fruit.
The acidity of citric acid results from the three carboxy
groups COOH which can lose a proton
in solution. If this happens, the resulting ion is the citrate ion. Citrates
make excellent buffers for controlling the pH of
acidic solutions.
Citrate ions form salts called citrates with many metal ions. An important
one is calcium
citrate or "sour salt", which is commonly used in the preservation
and flavoring of food. Additionally, citrates can chelate metal ions, which gives them use as
preservatives and water softeners.
Just had to weigh in my 2 cents on this one. :)
Jenn
~~~I
collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who
must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker
collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free
can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!

If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address
you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!
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Re: Jersey




Stan, maybe I missed this info in your first email, but how 
long has he been this way? Has he always had a weakness in his back legs, or did 
this just come on recently? You said he is only 2 years old, right? There are, 
of course, many different things that can cause it, from brain damage, to a 
spinal cord injury, even severe anemia could lead to weakness that may show up 
only in the rear legs (it's a possibility, and one I'm thinking my newest rescue 
has). I would get a second opinion from a different vet clinic, if possible. Try 
calling around to all your local vets, and ask them on the phone, "Do you have 
experience treating FELV positive cats aggressively, or do you usually recommend 
euthanasia for FELV?" That will let you know right away if they are even worth 
visiting in person! I am worried that in your first email, you said the vet told 
you he has Kidney damage, and now you are saying the vet is telling you it's 
somewhere "between" the kidneys? That does not make sense to me. It's either 
kidney damage, or it's NOT kidney damage. Ask her to clarify herself to you. 
Have you had the vet do bloodwork, and pull a CBC? If so, can you get the 
results, and post them here, many of the members here have gotten very good at 
reading test results, and we would be able to help you more if we had the 
bloodwork results. I may be mistaken on this one, but I THINK an ultrasound is a 
better way to look at kidneys than x-rays. I'm not sure why your vet is doing 
x-rays, unless she is thinking of a possible spinal cord injury? (not the end of 
the road, in itself, even if that is the case) Are his gums very white, or are 
they pink? A lot of the people on this list have had their vet give their cats 
blood transfusions, and they say it makes a LOT of difference right away. You 
may consider that option.

Here is my recipe for force-feeding, but I'm not sure if it is 
appropriate for cats with Kidney damage:
1/4 of a 5 ounce can of cat food (use the prescription kind 
your vet recommends)
1 teaspoon of Nutri-cal (you can buy it from your vet or 
online here: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3378)
1 to 2 tablespoons unflavoredPedialyte to make it soupy. 
You can get that at your local grocery store in the baby food 
section.
Warm it just a little in the microwave if you have one, but be 
sure to stir it and check it with your finger so you don't burn 
him.
You can get oral syringes from your vet, or online at the same place as the 
Nutri-Cal: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3393

Foster and Smith is a great catalog for this kind of stuff, and they have 
an option for overnight delivery if you need it fast. I hate to advertise, but 
this place has always come through for me!
Jenn

~~~
I have bad news form the vet. she said the problem was somewhere between the 
kidneys. I am confused. Is the leukemia really causing everything or the doctor 
cannot find the reason?
Yesterday he was eating good and looked good. Are the doctors really 
qualified enough?
She offered me euthanasia. 
I am not going to accept, but I am very confused.
What might cause the deficiency in the back legs if not the kidney CRF???
Stan
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RE: Digby has passed ....

2005-05-26 Thread Sue Feldbusch

Sorry to hear of Digby's passing

From: Marlene Chornie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Digby has passed 
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 12:28:24 -0400

Dear Group,

It is with great sadness that I tell you that Digby crossed over on 
Tues. evening (Mar. 24th).  I had taken him to the vet clinic that morning, 
to obtain some repeat blood work to check his numbers from the previous 
week.  Our intent was to then take him the next morning to see his regular 
vet for a follow-up assessment and results from the blood tests, and then 
more than likely make our decision.
We had been syringe feeding him this past weekend, since Sat. evening 
when he just couldn't/wouldn't take anything we had been hand feeding him.  
Thankfully, this kept his strength and weight up.  In between feedings, he 
was comfortable in his various safe places sleeping.  Late Tues. 
afternoon, after he used the litter box he immediately became winded - laid 
down on the floor, panting and softly moaning when he exhaled.  I knew that 
was his sign to me.  I called my husband to come home from work and when 
he arrived we called the vet clinic.  They had run their own PCV 
(Hematocrit), and it was down to 10% (N = 24 - 45%).  Two of the vets came 
to the house after we had some time to spend with Digby.  One of the vets 
had requested to come with the other one, as she had come here last summer 
to help our CRF baby Casper cross, and said she wanted to be with us this 
time as well.  We were very touched by her compassion and concern for us.
Digby passed very peacefully in his favourite spot - in our bay window 
on a pillow looking outside at the birds.  He gently laid his head down and 
closed his eyes.  We were so relieved at the peacefulness and tranquility 
of it.
That morning, I had discussed our wishes with the vet clinic.  Digby 
will be separately cremated and his ashes returned to us in an urn.  We 
made it known to them that if they wished to autopsy him for tissue 
samples, etc. to gain perhaps some more insight into Feline Leukemia, that 
was O.K. with us.  Our thought is that perhaps Digby's passing can serve 
some greater good for others suffering with this.  They felt that the 
Animal Health Lab at the Veterinary College in our province would be 
interested in samples, to add the information to their database.  This lab 
is the one that had done most of Digby's blood tests.
I will continue to read the posts on this forum, as our other furbaby 
Pekoe is also FelV+.  He's doing fine healthwise - as far as we know.  I 
believe he realizes that Digby isn't here anymore, but I know he'll be 
fine.  Many thanks to all of you for sharing your trials and tribulations.  
I would like to share a phrase with you that I came across just yesterday.  
I find it very consoling at this time -

A gentle sleep is sometimes the kindest answer to the most impossible 
question of all ...

Marlene

Re: Digby has passed ....

2005-05-26 Thread TatorBunz



Marlene,
 I'm so sorry to hear about your "Digby" but at least he was with his loved ones.His spirit will live on with you and in your heart.

I didn't have the option when Taz was let go...he was in surgery having a tumor removed from his skull and left Eye.

You and your family are in my thoughts and prayers. 
Please take care of yourselves

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Jenn/your posts-a question




Hi Jenn, i don't know if it's just me(and getting 
older) but the dark background and small type is hard to read. can you change 
your font(is that the right word?) (or computer illiterate me--is there a way I 
can change it?)
thanks,
barbara

Re: Jersey




usually insurance does not cover pre-existing 
conditions from what I remember of my research of insurance for pets. did the 
insurance require your cat have a full exam before approval or did the insurance 
co. just take your money? if you didn't know jersey had leukemia until after you 
purchased the insurance then it might be covered. you have to read the fine 
print on those insurance policies. when you say you chose the vet from the list, 
I'm guessing you mean the insurance co. gave you a list of vets? 
I'd follow Jen's very good suggestions as to how to 
quiz a vet on their feelings towards leukemia. 
good luck
barbara
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  stany 
  petrov 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 3:11 
PM
  Subject: Re: Jersey
  
  
  
  Thanks a lot Barbara. I just chose the vet from the list. I can afford to 
  pay let's say 500- 600. By the way, I have a pet insuarance but it is from a 
  month ago. I don't know if they cover past diseases? 
  Does anybody know about that?
  I mean, insuarance companies have lots of protection. 
  I am going to talk with another vet probably. He is moving 
  hard, but can walk to the litterbox.
  I am picking him today and keep feeding him with the baby food...
  
  Stan
  From: Barbara Lowe 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Thu, 26 
  May 2005 14:51:52 -0400sorry. I have no experience with CRF or 
  Jersey's problem of weak back legs. what do the cat owners on the CRF say? has 
  anyone there offered any helpful info or suggestions?Have you asked 
  your vet for referral to a specialist(if you can afford the vet fees?)---don't 
  be worried about hurting your vet's feelings in asking to discuss Jersey with 
  another vet. has anyone on the CRF list recommended a vet in your 
  area?why did the vet suggest euthanasia?It has been 
  discussed on this list before I believe--the reasons for considering being a 
  beloved pet to sleep. hopefully someone else can post them for you--i just 
  gotback from a platelets donation so kinda tired. also many of us 
  have our own personal criteria for judging when an animal is no longer 
  enjoying life. frankly if your cat is eating, I would consider that a good 
  sign. is he getting nutrients from the food--when my dog had cancer, her bowel 
  movements were proof her food was not being digested properly adding to her 
  weakened condition. is Jersey able to have movements? is he able to get around 
  on his own at all?someone on the CRF group should be able to 
  recommend a form of phosphorus for your cat. A cat testing postive for feline 
  leukemia is not reason enough to put to sleep an animal though sadly many vets 
  still feel that because their training has been that the pet will die anyway 
  sooner or later.Not knowing why you selected this particular vet I can 
  offer no answer if the vet is qualified. was the vet recommended to 
  you?is there perhaps a veterinary school in your 
  state?can you ask your vet to explain better what she means by the 
  problem is somewhere between the kidneys?perhaps there might be some 
  info on the www.holisticat.com website. I believe the founder of the site-her 
  cat was crf also. there is an archive you can look through--and also a mailing 
  list to join if you so desire to ask questions and for help.good luck. 
  remember to enjoy your time with Jersey and not worry yourself all the time so 
  that you lose what time you have with him. I know it's easier said than done 
  but allow yourself time to just love your 
  pet.barbara - Original Message 
  - From: stany petrov To: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 
  12:57 PM Subject: Re: 
  Jersey I have bad news form the vet. she 
  said the problem was somewhere beteen the kidneys. I am confused. Is the 
  leukimia really causing everything or the doctor cannot find the 
  reason? Yestereday he was eating good and looked 
  good. Are the doctors really qualified enough? She 
  offered me euthanesia. I am not going to accept, 
  but I am very confused. What might cause the 
  deficiency in the back legs if not the kidney 
  CRF??? 
  Stan

Re: Jersey

Hi,
Finally I have the news about Jersey.
The vet said that the problem with the kidneys is due to FIV which is a relatively new disease.
She prescribed me some medications and suggested a blood transfusion (it is 100$, I expected 5-6 hundred)
She gave me: Interferon Alpha, Clavamox, Cyproheptadine, Prednisoline
The results from the IVP are:
WBC: 17.00
Ne: 13.47 up
Ly: 2.53
Mo:0.76
Eo: 0.23
Ba: 0.01
RBC: 2.54
Hgb: 3.3
PCV: 10.5 down arrow
MCV: 41.5
MCH: 13
MCHC: 31.4
Platelets: 42.000 down
BUN: 33
Creat: 0.8
Phos: 3.9
ALT: 35
Alkp: 22
Tbili: 2.9 up
Glu 83
Amyl: 2444 up
TP: 9.1 up
Alb: 1.5 down
Glob: 7.6 up
Chol: 144
Ca: 7.4 down
Ck: 266 up
Na: 148
K 3.1 down
Cl 126

So, according to her the problem with the beg legs is not CRF but the tissues themselves (FIV probably) The man who is doing ultrasound is on vacation.
Keep you in touch

Stan

The result from the From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:55:03 -0400Stan, maybe I missed this info in your first email, but how long has he been this way? Has he always had a weakness in his back legs, or did this just come on recently? You said he is only 2 years old, right? There are, of course, many different things that can cause it, from brain damage, to a spinal cord injury, even severe anemia could lead to weakness that may show up only in the rear legs (it's a possibility, and one I'm thinking my newest rescue has). I would get a second opinion from a different vet clinic, if possible. Try calling around to all your local vets, and ask them on the phone, "Do you have experience treating FELV
positive cats aggressively, or do you usually recommend euthanasia for FELV?" That will let you know right away if they are even worth visiting in person! I am worried that in your first email, you said the vet told you he has Kidney damage, and now you are saying the vet is telling you it's somewhere "between" the kidneys? That does not make sense to me. It's either kidney damage, or it's NOT kidney damage. Ask her to clarify herself to you. Have you had the vet do bloodwork, and pull a CBC? If so, can you get the results, and post them here, many of the members here have gotten very good at reading test results, and we would be able to help you more if we had the bloodwork results. I may be mistaken on this one, but I THINK an ultrasound is a better way to look at kidneys than x-rays. I'm not sure why your vet is doing x-rays, unless she is thinking of a possible spinal cord injury?
(not the end of the road, in itself, even if that is the case) Are his gums very white, or are they pink? A lot of the people on this list have had their vet give their cats blood transfusions, and they say it makes a LOT of difference right away. You may consider that option.Here is my recipe for force-feeding, but I'm not sure if it is appropriate for cats with Kidney damage:1/4 of a 5 ounce can of cat food (use the prescription kind your vet recommends)1 teaspoon of Nutri-cal (you can buy it from your vet or online here: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3378 )1 to 2 tablespoons unflavored Pedialyte to make it soupy. You can get that at your local grocery store in the baby food section.Warm it just a little in the microwave if you have one, but be sure to stir it and check it with your finger so you don't burn
him.You can get oral syringes from your vet, or online at the same place as the Nutri-Cal: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3393Foster and Smith is a great catalog for this kind of stuff, and they have an option for overnight delivery if you need it fast. I hate to advertise, but this place has always come through for me!Jenn~~~I have bad news form the vet. she said the problem was somewhere between the kidneys. I am confused. Is the leukemia really causing everything or the doctor cannot find the reason?Yesterday he was eating good and looked good. Are the doctors really qualified enough?She offered me euthanasia.I am not going to accept, but I am very
confused.What might cause the deficiency in the back legs if not the kidney CRF???StanNo virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.17 - Release Date: 5/25/2005

Re: Digby has passed ....

I am so sorry and angry that another beautiful fur child has succumbed to
this crappy unfair virus. I wish you peace and comfort in your memories of
Digby.
regards
Barbara

Re: Jersey

One more questions about Jersey.
I think that the common opinion for the blood transfusion is that cats can survive but not long?
Should I accept it or not?
Thanks, again
StanFrom: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Thu, 26 May 2005 21:14:37 -0400usually insurance does not cover pre-existing conditions from what I remember of my research of insurance for pets. did the insurance require your cat have a full exam before approval or did the insurance co. just take your money? if you didn't know jersey had leukemia until after you purchased the insurance then it might be covered. you have to read the fine print on those insurance policies. when you say you chose the vet from the list, I'm guessing you mean the insurance co. gave you a list of vets?I'd follow Jen's very good suggestions as to how to quiz a vet on their feelings towards leukemia.good
luckbarbara- Original Message - From: stany petrov To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 3:11 PM Subject: Re: Jersey Thanks a lot Barbara. I just chose the vet from the list. I can afford to pay let's say 500- 600. By the way, I have a pet insuarance but it is from a month ago. I don't know if they cover past diseases? Does anybody know about that? I mean, insuarance companies have lots of protection. I am going to talk with another vet probably. He is moving hard, but can walk to the litterbox. I am picking him today and keep feeding him with the baby food...
Stan From: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Jersey Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:51:52 -0400 sorry. I have no experience with CRF or Jersey's problem of weak back legs. what do the cat owners on the CRF say? has anyone there offered any helpful info or suggestions? Have you asked your vet for referral to a specialist(if you can afford the vet fees?)---don't be worried about hurting your vet's feelings in asking to discuss Jersey with another vet. has anyone on the CRF list recommended a vet in your area?
why did the vet suggest euthanasia? It has been discussed on this list before I believe--the reasons for considering being a beloved pet to sleep. hopefully someone else can post them for you--i just gotback from a platelets donation so kinda tired. also many of us have our own personal criteria for judging when an animal is no longer enjoying life. frankly if your cat is eating, I would consider that a good sign. is he getting nutrients from the food--when my dog had cancer, her bowel movements were proof her food was not being digested properly adding to her weakened condition. is Jersey able to have movements? is he able to get around on his own at all?someone on the CRF group should be able to recommend a form of phosphorus for your cat. A cat testing postive for feline leukemia is not reason enough to put to sleep an animal though
sadly many vets still feel that because their training has been that the pet will die anyway sooner or later. Not knowing why you selected this particular vet I can offer no answer if the vet is qualified. was the vet recommended to you?is there perhaps a veterinary school in your state?can you ask your vet to explain better what she means by the problem is somewhere between the kidneys? perhaps there might be some info on the www.holisticat.com website. I believe the founder of the site-her cat was crf also. there is an archive you can look through--and also a mailing list to join if you so desire to ask questions and for help. good luck. remember to enjoy your time with Jersey and not worry yourself all the time so that you lose what time you have with him. I know it's easier said than done
but allow yourself time to just love your pet. barbara - Original Message - From: stany petrov To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: Re: JerseyI have bad news form the vet. she said the problem was somewhere beteen the kidneys. I am confused. Is the leukimia really causing everything or the doctor cannot find the reason? Yestereday he was eating good and looked good. Are the doctors really qualified enough?
She offered me euthanesia. I am not going to accept, but I am very confused. What might cause the deficiency in the back legs if not the kidney CRF??? Stan

Re: starved cat -warning about those sports drinks

2005-05-26 Thread catatonya

I don't think gatorade is a problem. Doctors recommend it. Some of the 'high energy' or 'power' drinks do have some bad additives.

tMia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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Mia
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Re: Digby has passed ....


I am very sorry about Digby...
Hopefully and hopefully, the new century will give us the treatment for cancer !!!
Stan

Re: Worried about Michelle

2005-05-26 Thread Lernermichelle





Fern died on Sunday, the same day as Pepsi. Thank you for your 
concern.
Michelle

In a message dated 5/26/05 9:02:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I. too have been worried about 
  Michelle,
  Poor girl, having to face so MANY abdolutely 
  terrible illness/diseases with her babies..
  And losing Prpsi.
  I jusy pray Ginger is improving and Fern, is 
  gomfortable.
  too many major health issues going 
  on.
  Mu heart goes out to her and her furkids, and I 
  continure to pray.
  Patti

Re: Digby has passed ....

2005-05-26 Thread catatonya

Marlene,

I'm so sorry for your loss. It sounds like it was very peaceful though, for all of you.That helps a lot, but I know you'll miss Digby. It sounds like you have wonderful vets.

Take care,
tonyaMarlene Chornie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Dear Group,

"A gentle sleep is sometimes the kindest answer to the most impossible question of all ..."

Marlene

Re: Jersey




was just about to sign off for the night then saw 
your question on transfusions.
i had 2 different experiences with blood 
transfusions. one was with a less than year old cat with leukemia and it was two 
days before xmas. Lenny(the cat) perhaps had a week of quality life with us 
before we had to let her be put to sleep. 
the 2nd cat Jelly Roll again perhaps a week or two 
before he also crashed. I would not have traded that time with them for 
anything. 
I am surprised at how cheap your vet says a 
transfusion is. perhaps because I am in NY where it just seems everything is 
just so damnexpensive. I would make sure the vet types your cat's blood. 
it must get a matching blood type--I forget if there's a subgroup to cat's 
blood--I just know my second cat had a very rare blood type. 
I know others on the list had also had blood 
transfusions for their cats and can give their opinions. I'd still go for a 
second opinion if you do not feel this vet is up to date on treatment of 
leukemia.
again good luck and good night,
thank you for caring for Jersey. I know how 
stressful it can be.
barbara

Re: Worried about Michelle




oh my gosh, I am so sorry, Michelle. We are so lucky we get to love so many 
beautiful wonderful creatures in our lifetime but it doesn't make it any easier 
when they cross the bridge. I pray that you find solace in the memory of their 
spirits.
Barbara

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 10:03 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Worried about Michelle
  
  
  Fern died on Sunday, the same day as Pepsi. Thank you for your 
  concern.
  Michelle
  
  In a message dated 5/26/05 9:02:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
I. too have been worried about 
Michelle,
Poor girl, having to face so MANY abdolutely 
terrible illness/diseases with her babies..
And losing Prpsi.
I jusy pray Ginger is improving and Fern, is 
gomfortable.
too many major health issues going 
on.
Mu heart goes out to her and her furkids, and 
I continure to pray.
Patti

Re: Jenn/your posts-a question

2005-05-26 Thread Del Daniels




I agree - this is not reader-friendly. Older 
here, too.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Barbara 
  Lowe 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 8:06 
PM
  Subject: Jenn/your posts-a question
  
  Hi Jenn, i don't know if it's just me(and getting 
  older) but the dark background and small type is hard to read. can you change 
  your font(is that the right word?) (or computer illiterate me--is there a way 
  I can change it?)
  thanks,
  barbara

Re: Jersey

2005-05-26 Thread catatonya

I don't understand how the vet got from kidney disease to 'something between the kidneys'? What does that mean? Does she think there's a tumor?

Also, does she think Jersey had felv AND fiv?

I've never heard of either of them causing kidney problems. I don't know enough about the bloodwork, but I assume if she's wanting to do a transfusion Jersey must be anemic.

Good luck with little Jersey.
tonyaBarbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

was just about to sign off for the night then saw your question on transfusions.
i had 2 different experiences with blood transfusions. one was with a less than year old cat with leukemia and it was two days before xmas. Lenny(the cat) perhaps had a week of quality life with us before we had to let her be put to sleep.
the 2nd cat Jelly Roll again perhaps a week or two before he also crashed. I would not have traded that time with them for anything.
I am surprised at how cheap your vet says a transfusion is. perhaps because I am in NY where it just seems everything is just so damnexpensive. I would make sure the vet types your cat's blood. it must get a matching blood type--I forget if there's a subgroup to cat's blood--I just know my second cat had a very rare blood type.
I know others on the list had also had blood transfusions for their cats and can give their opinions. I'd still go for a second opinion if you do not feel this vet is up to date on treatment of leukemia.
again good luck and good night,
thank you for caring for Jersey. I know how stressful it can be.
barbara

Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed: UPDATE

2005-05-26 Thread Tad Burnett





Hi Jenn
 To get her to drink try different types of bowls...Becouse there is
no smell for her to recognize she may be used to drinking out of a
different container...She maybe used to drinking out of a colored
plastic bowl which isn't the best but that's what a lot of people would
use...or in Vermont farm country she may have been given a bowl of
milk...If she goes for milk add more and more water to it over time
till you get her drinking all water but she may be used to seeing the
liquid in the bowl

Tad

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  Thanks to everyone for all the advice. I called
my vet today (the better one), and told them what I had, and what I was
doing, and they said without bringing her in for bloodwork (which would
require a 12 hour fasting that I don't think she would live through at
this point), I was doing everything right, and to keep up what I'm
doing. Today, when I took her out of the kennel to wobble around while
I made her breakfast goo, she found my other cat's dry food and was
eating it like there was no tomorrow! I put the mush in her face, and
she ate about half of it too. So far, she still will not drink though
(that's one of the reasons why I'm doing the wet food mixture still). I
checked her today, and she is much less dehydrated already, and she
seems to be spunkier, wanting to explore the house (but of course,
falling over every few steps in the rear). I went to the store first
thing this morning (I live in a very rural area, and all the stores
were closed last night after 8 pm when I got her) and bought some
unflavored Pedilyte, and plan to syringe that into her shortly (I'm
aiming for 9 CC's), in addition to using that in the food goo mix
instead of regular water. I'm about to go on an unflavored yogurt hunt
in a few minutes, I tried one store, but none of the non-fruity ones
had any potassium. She may end up with more fruit yogurt. I don't think
the fruit will do her any harm, one of my healthy cats BEGS for the
stuff, and I always share with him, and he's healthy as can be. So far,
still no signs of need for the cat box. I've since looked online, and
she is what is known these days as a Snowshoe Cat. In fact, she's a
classic example of the breed. Jeff (my boyfriend) is already highly
attached to her. I think it was love at first meow for him (she has the
biggest most desperate sounding meow). He says she is the cutest little
thing he has ever seen, I think he just found his breed of choice.
  
  
Jenn
  
  ~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs
cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add
up until she earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
  
  If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me
for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!
  

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RE: Jersey

2005-05-26 Thread Chris









Stan,

You will get much more knowledgeable
answers from folks on this list tomorrow but just a couple of
thoughts. Do you know if vet did both the Elissa  the IFA test; the
Elissa is a simple test they do in the officetakes about 10 minutes; the
IFA, they send blood outtakes a day or so;;These will confirm whether Jersey has FELV 
FIV. How old is Jersey? I am not an expert but from the little I know about lab
values (from a chart I have), it does look like her red blood cells 
hemoglobin are down  I would guess that means shes anemic. It
sounds like vet is giving you the right meds  the cost of a transfusion is
very reasonable. By tomorrow, Im sure youll get more
suggestions from folks who have gone thru anemia/transfusions/etc. You
can also look thru the archives. For now, give her the meds 
try to feed her anything at all she will eat. The more liquid it is, the
better as that will give her some fluids. If she wont eat, dont
be too fussy about the foodtry baby food (without onions in it); cold
cuts; tuna fish  the water from the can; cottage cheese,
yogurt,--remember, some food is better than no food at all. 





Chris

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-Original Message-
From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of stany petrov
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 9:24
PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Jersey







Hi,

Finally I have the news about Jersey.

The vet said that the problem with the kidneys is due
to FIV which is a relatively new disease.

She prescribed me some medications and suggested a
blood transfusion (it is 100$, I expected 5-6 hundred)

She gave me: Interferon Alpha, Clavamox,
Cyproheptadine, Prednisoline

The results from the IVP are:

WBC: 17.00

Ne: 13.47 up

Ly: 2.53

Mo:0.76

Eo: 0.23

Ba: 0.01

RBC: 2.54

Hgb: 3.3

PCV: 10.5 down arrow

MCV: 41.5

MCH: 13

MCHC: 31.4

Platelets: 42.000 down

BUN: 33

Creat: 0.8

Phos: 3.9

ALT: 35

Alkp: 22

Tbili: 2.9 up

Glu 83

Amyl: 2444 up

TP: 9.1 up

Alb: 1.5 down

Glob: 7.6 up

Chol: 144

Ca: 7.4 down

Ck: 266 up

Na: 148

K 3.1 down

Cl 126



So, according to her the problem with the beg legs is
not CRF but the tissues themselves (FIV probably) The man who is doing
ultrasound is on vacation. 

Keep you in touch



Stan





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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Jersey
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:55:03 -0400

Stan, maybe I missed this info in your first email, but how long has he
been this way? Has he always had a weakness in his back legs, or did this just
come on recently? You said he is only 2 years old, right? There are, of course,
many different things that can cause it, from brain damage, to a spinal cord
injury, even severe anemia could lead to weakness that may show up only in the
rear legs (it's a possibility, and one I'm thinking my newest rescue has). I
would get a second opinion from a different vet clinic, if possible. Try
calling around to all your local vets, and ask them on the phone, Do you
have experience treating FELV positive cats aggressively, or do you usually
recommend euthanasia for FELV? That will let you know right away if they
are even worth visiting in person! I am worried that in your first email, you
said the vet told you he has Kidney damage, and now you are saying the vet is
telling you it's somewhere between the kidneys? That does not make
sense to me. It's either kidney damage, or it's NOT kidney damage. Ask her to
clarify herself to you. Have you had the vet do bloodwork, and pull a CBC? If
so, can you get the results, and post them here, many of the members here have
gotten very good at reading test results, and we would be able to help you more
if we had the bloodwork results. I may be mistaken on this one, but I THINK an
ultrasound is a better way to look at kidneys than x-rays. I'm not sure why
your vet is doing x-rays, unless she is thinking of a possible spinal cord
injury? (not the end of the road, in itself, even if that is the case) Are his
gums very white, or are they pink? A lot of the people on this list have had
their vet give their cats blood transfusions, and they say it makes a LOT of
difference right away. You may consider that option.

Here is my recipe for force-feeding, but I'm not sure if it is appropriate
for cats with Kidney damage:
1/4 of a 5 ounce can of cat food (use the prescription kind your vet
recommends)
1 teaspoon of Nutri-cal (you can buy it from your vet or online here:
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3378 )
1 to 2 tablespoons unflavored Pedialyte to make it soupy. You can get that
at your local grocery store in the baby food section.
Warm it just a little in the microwave if you have one, but be sure to stir
it and check it with your finger so you don't burn him.
You can get oral syringes from your vet, or online at the same place as the
Nutri-Cal: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3393

Re: Jersey