RE: Recent losses

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Title: Message



My 
heart goes out to all of you--Jamie, Marlene and Michelle. I just wanted 
toadd thatI think it is a tremendous amount to ask, to expect a 
grieving pet owner to go to the vet clinic and pick up the ashes ofa 
beloved pet, when every other time you went through that door it was with hope, 
and with a pet that was still living and breathing. The associations are too 
strong, emotions too charged. 
The 
first time I had to have a pet euthanized was at the emergency clinic last 
Thanksgiving, and befuddled though I was, I knew there was no way I could bring 
myself to go and pick up ashes from my vet clinic. I would have been a mess in 
the clinic. I asked to have them delivered to my workplace instead. The vet tech 
was surprised and questioned my request, but to me it was a no-brainer. The 
ashesarrived in a plain brown boxwhile I was busy doing other stuff, 
and it allowed me to delay my grief until I got home. I don't know why vets 
don't do this as a matter of routine? 
Is 
there someone that could go in your place, perhaps, Jamie? I totally understand 
your dread.
Thinking of you all,
Kerry


-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Jamie LawsSent: Friday, May 27, 2005 9:22 
PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Recent 
losses

I am trying to step out of my own grief and offer condolences to others who 
have had losses. Michelle and Marlene,I think we have just had a 
rough week. Michelle lost both Fern and Pepsi on Sunday, I lost Andy on 
Monday, and Marlene lost Digby on Tuesday.I just got the call today 
from the vet that Andy's ashes are back and I can pick him up when I am 
ready. But I just couldn't do it today. I may go in the 
morning. I don't know why I am dreading that part so much. 

Anyway, I just wanted to tell you both how very sorry I am for your 
incredible losses. I can empathize withyou and my heart aches with 
yours.

Jamie
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Re: Jersey

[Barbara Lowe]

just a thought, i give one of my cats (who is negative for leuekmia)
postassium citrate to ward off any more bouts of his oxalate crystals. the
other cats get MegaC plus but that's not advised for oxalate. I buy it in
capsule form and fortunately this cat, Puff, loves those Pill Pockets i get
at the pet store so can just hide the pill in that. the other cats' meds I
just open the capsules and mix in their wet food very very thoroughly.
what are some natural sources of potassium besides bananas? and would a cat
even eat a banana or is it even good for them?

another thought, how long has jersey been in your care? did you tell the vet
his past history-outdoor cat, possible exposure to raccoons, etc? when you
got him, was he able to walk/run around? or was he already slowing down?
what is that disease raccoons supposedly transmit that the vets advise
getting vaccinations for? if it affects dogs, does it also pertain to cats?
Is this cat even getting up to use the litter box?
sorry Jersey's legs are not improving.
regards
Barbara
- Original Message -
From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: Jersey


  Hi Stan,
Jersey's potassium is low, he needs some potassium, your vet should
 have told you that, I'm sorry but as long as your seeing this vet Jersey
 is in serious trouble.

Re: Jersey

[Barbara Lowe]

and after reading the starving cat posts, maybe getting nutra-cal into
Jersey might be a good idea?
- Original Message -
From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: Jersey


  Hi Stan,
Jersey's potassium is low, he needs some potassium, your vet should
 have told you that, I'm sorry but as long as your seeing this vet Jersey
 is in serious trouble.

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RE: Recent losses

[catatonya]

maybe this will help. I hope it doesn't hurt. But I always looked forward to going to pick up my babies' ashes. I felt glad to bring them home, and I didn't like them being away. Maybe, well of course I AM crazy, but I felt just like when I had to leave them for procedures, etc... when they were still living. They didn't like staying there and I wanted to get them home where they belonged.

I have a table in my bedroom where I keep the ashes of my cats who have passed through the years. I like knowing they are there with me, even though I know their 'spirit' is not in their ashes. I don't know. But I always wanted to go get them as soon as I could. 

tonya"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


My heart goes out to all of you--Jamie, Marlene and Michelle. I just wanted toadd thatI think it is a tremendous amount to ask, to expect a grieving pet owner to go to the vet clinic and pick up the ashes ofa beloved pet, when every other time you went through that door it was with hope, and with a pet that was still living and breathing. The associations are too strong, emotions too charged. 
The first time I had to have a pet euthanized was at the emergency clinic last Thanksgiving, and befuddled though I was, I knew there was no way I could bring myself to go and pick up ashes from my vet clinic. I would have been a mess in the clinic. I asked to have them delivered to my workplace instead. The vet tech was surprised and questioned my request, but to me it was a no-brainer. The ashesarrived in a plain brown boxwhile I was busy doing other stuff, and it allowed me to delay my grief until I got home. I don't know why vets don't do this as a matter of routine? 
Is there someone that could go in your place, perhaps, Jamie? I totally understand your dread.
Thinking of you all,
Kerry


-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jamie LawsSent: Friday, May 27, 2005 9:22 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Recent losses

I am trying to step out of my own grief and offer condolences to others who have had losses. Michelle and Marlene,I think we have just had a rough week. Michelle lost both Fern and Pepsi on Sunday, I lost Andy on Monday, and Marlene lost Digby on Tuesday.I just got the call today from the vet that Andy's ashes are back and I can pick him up when I am ready. But I just couldn't do it today. I may go in the morning. I don't know why I am dreading that part so much. 

Anyway, I just wanted to tell you both how very sorry I am for your incredible losses. I can empathize withyou and my heart aches with yours.

Jamie
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Re: Recent losses - Lisa

[Nina]

And Lisa too. I'm sure Kerry meant to include you in this. It's been
such a horrendous week for all of us sharing in your grief.
Nina

MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:

  Message
  
  
  My heart goes out to all of you--Jamie,
Marlene and Michelle. I just wanted toadd thatI think it is a
tremendous amount to ask, to expect a grieving pet owner to go to the
vet clinic and pick up the ashes ofa beloved pet, when every other
time you went through that door it was with hope, and with a pet that
was still living and breathing. The associations are too strong,
emotions too charged. 
  The first time I had to have a pet
euthanized was at the emergency clinic last Thanksgiving, and befuddled
though I was, I knew there was no way I could bring myself to go and
pick up ashes from my vet clinic. I would have been a mess in the
clinic. I asked to have them delivered to my workplace instead. The vet
tech was surprised and questioned my request, but to me it was a
no-brainer. The ashesarrived in a plain brown boxwhile I was busy
doing other stuff, and it allowed me to delay my grief until I got
home. I don't know why vets don't do this as a matter of routine? 
  Is there someone that could go in your
place, perhaps, Jamie? I totally understand your dread.
  Thinking of you all,
  Kerry
  
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jamie
Laws
  Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 9:22 PM
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Recent losses
  
  
  
  I am trying to step out of my own grief and offer condolences to
others who have had losses. Michelle and Marlene,I think we have just
had a rough week. Michelle lost both Fern and Pepsi on Sunday, I lost
Andy on Monday, and Marlene lost Digby on Tuesday.I just got the call
today from the vet that Andy's ashes are back and I can pick him up
when I am ready. But I just couldn't do it today. I may go in the
morning. I don't know why I am dreading that part so much. 
  
  Anyway, I just wanted to tell you both how very sorry I am for
your incredible losses. I can empathize withyou and my heart aches
with yours.
  
  Jamie
  
  
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RE: Recent losses - Lisa

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Title: Message



Yes, 
it goes without saying that my heart goes out to everyone who's had losses, 
including Lisa and Michael who suffered their losses so very, veryrecently 
too. Kerry
-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of NinaSent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 11:41 
AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Recent 
losses - LisaAnd Lisa too. I'm sure Kerry meant to 
include you in this. It's been such a horrendous week for all of us 
sharing in your grief.NinaMacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:

  
  My 
  heart goes out to all of you--Jamie, Marlene and Michelle. I just wanted 
  toadd thatI think it is a tremendous amount to ask, to expect a 
  grieving pet owner to go to the vet clinic and pick up the ashes ofa 
  beloved pet, when every other time you went through that door it was with 
  hope, and with a pet that was still living and breathing. The associations are 
  too strong, emotions too charged. 
  The 
  first time I had to have a pet euthanized was at the emergency clinic last 
  Thanksgiving, and befuddled though I was, I knew there was no way I could 
  bring myself to go and pick up ashes from my vet clinic. I would have been a 
  mess in the clinic. I asked to have them delivered to my workplace instead. 
  The vet tech was surprised and questioned my request, but to me it was a 
  no-brainer. The ashesarrived in a plain brown boxwhile I was busy 
  doing other stuff, and it allowed me to delay my grief until I got home. I 
  don't know why vets don't do this as a matter of routine? 
  Is 
  there someone that could go in your place, perhaps, Jamie? I totally 
  understand your dread.
  Thinking of you all,
  Kerry
  
  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  On Behalf Of Jamie LawsSent: Friday, May 27, 2005 9:22 
  PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: 
  Recent losses
  
  I am trying to step out of my own grief and offer condolences to others 
  who have had losses. Michelle and Marlene,I think we have just had 
  a rough week. Michelle lost both Fern and Pepsi on Sunday, I lost Andy 
  on Monday, and Marlene lost Digby on Tuesday.I just got the call 
  today from the vet that Andy's ashes are back and I can pick him up when I am 
  ready. But I just couldn't do it today. I may go in the 
  morning. I don't know why I am dreading that part so much. 
  
  Anyway, I just wanted to tell you both how very sorry I am for your 
  incredible losses. I can empathize withyou and my heart aches with 
  yours.
  
  Jamie
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Re: Jersey

[catatonya]

How long has Jersey not been able to use his back legs?

tBarbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
just a thought, i give one of my cats (who is negative for leuekmia)postassium citrate to ward off any more bouts of his oxalate crystals. theother cats get MegaC plus but that's not advised for oxalate. I buy it incapsule form and fortunately this cat, Puff, loves those Pill Pockets i getat the pet store so can just hide the pill in that. the other cats' meds Ijust open the capsules and mix in their wet food very very thoroughly.what are some natural sources of potassium besides bananas? and would a cateven eat a banana or is it even good for them?another thought, how long has jersey been in your care? did you tell the vethis past history-outdoor cat, possible exposure to raccoons, etc? when yougot him, was he able to walk/run around? or was he already slowing down?what is that disease raccoons supposedly transmit that the vets
 advisegetting vaccinations for? if it affects dogs, does it also pertain to cats?Is this cat even getting up to use the litter box?sorry Jersey's legs are not improving.regardsBarbara- Original Message -From: "Belinda Sauro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:34 AMSubject: Re: Jersey Hi Stan, Jersey's potassium is low, he needs some potassium, your vet should have told you that, I'm sorry but as long as your seeing this vet Jersey is in serious trouble.

RE: Recent losses

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

You're right about the education, Nina---I phone-interviewed a petsitter
last night--a petsitter who purportedly also volunteers for the cat
shelter where I found my FeLV kitties. (The kitties did not come
*from* the cat shelter, but from a woman who was hoping, in vain as it
turned out, that the shelter could take them--I just happened to be at
the shelter at the time. But I digress.)
The petsitter obviously knew zippo about FeLV. She thought I meant FIV
(about which she was also pretty hazy.) During the conversation *I* told
*her* that the shelter actually euthanizes FeLV cats. (This is something
I found out after I got the cats. So thank goodness the shelter wouldn't
take them--only one of them, the negative female, would be alive today.)
Anyway, you've reminded me to emphasize the wrongfulness of pts'ing FeLV
cats, and the reasons why it's wrong. The dog analogy is a good one.
Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:40 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Recent losses


It's been really tough on the list lately.  It's so discouraging and sad

sometimes.  I really appreciated Jamie's sentiments about how special 
all positives are and the incredible changes they bring to our lives.  I

wouldn't trade the heartache, as devastating as it has been, because 
knowing them, and getting to know all of you and the angels on this list

through your posts, have led me down avenues of self discovery I never 
would have made without you.  I'm a different person, (better, I think),

because of finding a box of FelV bottle babies. 

It makes me so unhappy to think of the cats that are pts, (esp the 
asymptomatic ones), as soon as a diagnosis is made.  I made an analogy 
the other day to someone about Great Danes.  They are such wonderful, 
loving giants.  Such gentle and intuitive spirits.  They're downfall, 
imo, is that they have very short life spans, (5-7 years).  Still, you 
don't hear vets saying, well, he's 3 years old now, he doesn't have much

time left, I think we should think about euthanasia.

It's so important that we, along with doing everything in our power to 
bring about a cure, educate those who hear FelV and think, well then, 
that's it, it's all over.  We know better, and it's up to us to help 
others understand.

Much love to you all, and thank you,
Nina


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Re: Jersey

[stany petrov]

Barbara,

I have Jersey from the semi- beginning when he was a baby. I just learned him to walk outside and get home. I lived in Brooklyn for 1 and a halfyears before I moved to Ohio. Here, he was fine till late January when he started sneezing and one of his eyes got red. The temp. was high. I took him toa vet (another one) twice. He put some shots and gave him antibiotics. Jersey got better but not exactly as before. The temp. was about 102.4- 102.5 and I let him out again. He likes hiking and if I lock the cat door he is starting to meow and scratch and tear the things around him. So, that was in March. And finally in late April, early May he started going outside and stay home which is not a good indicator for him. Finally he started loosing weight and walking hard with his back legs. 
I will stop visiting this vet and try to feed him more but...I hardly think he will survive. His kidneys are a little bit arger than the normal and he has the symptom of the Polysyst Kidney disease- drinking lots of water and loosing weight and appetite. I am confused. He cannot move at all already (just for a week, unbelievable).
Thanks again 
StanFrom: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Sat, 28 May 2005 09:58:42 -0400just a thought, i give one of my cats (who is negative for leuekmia)postassium citrate to ward off any more bouts of his oxalate crystals. theother cats get MegaC plus but that's not advised for oxalate. I buy it incapsule form and fortunately this cat, Puff, loves those Pill Pockets i getat the pet store so can just hide the pill in that. the other cats' meds Ijust open the capsules and mix in their wet food very very thoroughly.what are some natural sources of potassium besides bananas? and would a cateven eat a banana or is it even good for them?another thought, how 
long has jersey been in your care? did you tell the vethis past history-outdoor cat, possible exposure to raccoons, etc? when yougot him, was he able to walk/run around? or was he already slowing down?what is that disease raccoons supposedly transmit that the vets advisegetting vaccinations for? if it affects dogs, does it also pertain to cats?Is this cat even getting up to use the litter box?sorry Jersey's legs are not improving.regardsBarbara- Original Message -From: "Belinda Sauro" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:34 AMSubject: Re: Jersey Hi Stan, Jersey's potassium is low, he needs some potassium, your vet 
should  have told you that, I'm sorry but as long as your seeing this vet Jersey  is in serious trouble. 

Re: Jersey

[Barbara Lowe]

the coincidence today--while walking my dog around 
my neighborhood--another neighbor came up to warn me he recently had to take his 
dog to the ER for treatment for the raccoon caused disease--and the dog's 
symptoms sound alot like Jersey's. the disease sounds like 
lepto-something.
also the drinking lots of water losing weight also 
sounds like cushing's disease that my dog from years ago had. no cure but there 
is treatment. 
I am so sorry Jersey is not doing well. 

barbara

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  stany 
  petrov 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 4:50 
PM
  Subject: Re: Jersey
  
  
  
  Barbara,
  
  I have Jersey from the semi- beginning when he was a baby. I just learned 
  him to walk outside and get home. I lived in Brooklyn for 1 and a 
  halfyears before I moved to Ohio. Here, he was fine till late January 
  when he started sneezing and one of his eyes got red. The temp. was high. I 
  took him toa vet (another one) twice. He put some shots and gave him 
  antibiotics. Jersey got better but not exactly as before. The temp. was about 
  102.4- 102.5 and I let him out again. He likes hiking and if I lock the cat 
  door he is starting to meow and scratch and tear the things around him. So, 
  that was in March. And finally in late April, early May he started going 
  outside and stay home which is not a good indicator for him. Finally he 
  started loosing weight and walking hard with his back legs. 
  I will stop visiting this vet and try to feed him more but...I hardly think 
  he will survive. His kidneys are a little bit arger than the normal and he has 
  the symptom of the Polysyst Kidney disease- drinking lots of water and loosing 
  weight and appetite. I am confused. He cannot move at all already (just for a 
  week, unbelievable).
  Thanks again 
  StanFrom: Barbara Lowe 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Sat, 28 
  May 2005 09:58:42 -0400just a thought, i give one of my cats 
  (who is negative for leuekmia)postassium citrate to ward off any more 
  bouts of his oxalate crystals. theother cats get MegaC plus but that's 
  not advised for oxalate. I buy it incapsule form and fortunately this 
  cat, Puff, loves those Pill Pockets i getat the pet store so can just 
  hide the pill in that. the other cats' meds Ijust open the capsules 
  and mix in their wet food very very thoroughly.what are some natural 
  sources of potassium besides bananas? and would a cateven eat a banana 
  or is it even good for them?another thought, how long has 
  jersey been in your care? did you tell the vethis past history-outdoor 
  cat, possible exposure to raccoons, etc? when yougot him, was he able 
  to walk/run around? or was he already slowing down?what is that 
  disease raccoons supposedly transmit that the vets advisegetting 
  vaccinations for? if it affects dogs, does it also pertain to cats?Is 
  this cat even getting up to use the litter box?sorry Jersey's legs are 
  not improving.regardsBarbara- Original Message 
  -From: "Belinda Sauro" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:34 
  AMSubject: Re: Jersey 
  Hi Stan, 
  Jersey's potassium is low, he needs some 
  potassium, your vet should  have told you that, I'm sorry but as 
  long as your seeing this vet Jersey  is in serious 
  trouble. 

Re: Jersey

[Nina]

Hi Stan,
I don't have anything to add that might help with Jersey's trouble.  I 
wish I did.  I just wanted you to know that I'm sending good thoughts 
your way and pray you find a way to help him get better.  You're a 
wonderful cat-dad, Jersey is lucky to have someone who loves him so much.

Nina

stany petrov wrote:


Barbara,

 

I have Jersey from the semi- beginning when he was a baby. I just 
learned him to walk outside and get home. I lived in Brooklyn for 1 
and a half years before I moved to Ohio. Here, he was fine till late 
January when he started sneezing and one of his eyes got red. The 
temp. was high. I took him to a vet (another one) twice. He put some 
shots and gave him antibiotics. Jersey got better but not exactly as 
before. The temp. was about 102.4- 102.5 and I let him out again. He 
likes hiking and if I lock the cat door he is starting to meow and 
scratch and tear the things around him. So, that was in March. And 
finally in late April, early May he started going outside and stay 
home which is not a good indicator for him. Finally he started loosing 
weight and walking hard with his back legs.


I will stop visiting this vet and try to feed him more but...I hardly 
think he will survive. His kidneys are a little bit arger than the 
normal and he has the symptom of the Polysyst Kidney disease- drinking 
lots of water and loosing weight and appetite. I am confused. He 
cannot move at all already (just for a week, unbelievable).


Thanks again

Stan




From: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Jersey
Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 09:58:42 -0400

just a thought, i give one of my cats (who is negative for leuekmia)
postassium citrate to ward off any more bouts of his oxalate 
crystals. the

other cats get MegaC plus but that's not advised for oxalate. I buy it in
capsule form and fortunately this cat, Puff, loves those Pill Pockets 
i get
at the pet store so can just hide the pill in that. the other cats' 
meds I

just open the capsules and mix in their wet food very very thoroughly.
what are some natural sources of potassium besides bananas? and would 
a cat

even eat a banana or is it even good for them?

another thought, how long has jersey been in your care? did you tell 
the vet
his past history-outdoor cat, possible exposure to raccoons, etc? 
when you

got him, was he able to walk/run around? or was he already slowing down?
what is that disease raccoons supposedly transmit that the vets advise
getting vaccinations for? if it affects dogs, does it also pertain to 
cats?

Is this cat even getting up to use the litter box?
sorry Jersey's legs are not improving.
regards
Barbara
- Original Message -
From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: Jersey


   Hi Stan,
 Jersey's potassium is low, he needs some potassium, your vet should
  have told you that, I'm sorry but as long as your seeing this vet 
Jersey

  is in serious trouble.
 

Re: stitch

[catatonya]

Hi,

I'm very behind on my email, but I'm so sorry to read that Stitch didn't make it. He is at rest now. You certainly did everything you could, and I hope that you've been getting some rest yourself now as you said. Again, I'm so sorry you had to lose your friend.

tonya"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My little buddy is gone...i never had the chance to take him home for one last play session.shortly after my arrival he became excited and was really struggling to breath. it was time for stitch to finally go to a better place. It took only 39 days from the first onset of his symptoms. in the end even the CCNU could not save him. It was a tough fight and now it is time for both of us to rest. thanks again to everyone for all their support! You have all made a huge difference

Re: Recent losses

[Belinda Sauro]

 I'm the same way I want my babies home as soon as possible.  I 
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my computer desk.


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Re: Recent losses

[Jamie Laws]

Nina,

Funny you should say that. I don't know if I have mentioned it since re-joining the List, but one of my dogs IS a Great Dane. And he turned 3 last month. They have actually upped the lifespan average to 7-10 years IF they are well cared for. This is true of all the giant breeds- they have shorter life spans. Anyway, the vet told me that the bigger they are, the shorter they should be expected to live. Odd how breeding for size (backyard breeding anyway) is what people want- I want the BIGGEST Dane on the block is the mindset. Well, I want the healthiest. So I am GLAD that Apollo is small for a GD. He is 120 pounds and that is the small end for a female! He "should be" 160-180 but I guess he was the runt. He did come from the shelter where I was volunteering. A 7 week old pure bred Great Dane puppy doesn't come in the door often and when he did I grabbed him. So, anyway, I thought your analogy was very
 ironic. And very true. I will use that the next time a vet suggests that you should PTS a Felv+ cat just because they are Felv+. 

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Re: Recent Losses

[Jamie Laws]

I'm sorry! I think Kerry was just responding to my post which did not include Lisa. I am trying to keep track of everything but again, the digest mode makes it more of a process. At least for me. It is just really sad that there are SO MANY losses that I could actually miss one. So Lisa, I am very sorry. I did not mean to exclude you and I do offer you my heartfelt sympathies on your loss as well.

As to the ashes thing. I never walked in there with any hope really. Not in my situation. My fear is that since this was my first experience at this vet, I will have a negative connotation with it even though I really like them. I think I am dreading the sorrowful "looks" and maybe you're right. I am being weird about getting him before work and leaving him in my car all day. Ok, I know he isn't going to be "hurt" sitting out there since it isn't really him anymore but still. And I'm afraid I will get all upset and then go into work, again, crying! But on the other hand I do want to get him home, like Tonya said. This is where he belongs.

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Re: Jamie

[Jamie Laws]

I know they will be ok. Her message did say that they were there, but it was no rush and just to come in when I am ready. After all that they witnessed, I know that they know I will NOT be one of those owners who doesn't show up! I will probably go get them on Monday if they are open. For some odd reason, it made me feel better that Abe said "isn't Andy supposed to be back at the vet this week?" instead of "the ashes." Maybe that's why it is comforting to have the ashes back- because in a way it IS them. So I like that he is referring to Andy in the present tense. Strange? Probably. I don't deal with death very well... almost to the point that I think I am unhealthy about it. So I am probably an oddball on what I find comforting. Ookkk. That's all I can talk about it for one night! 
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Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed

[felv]

Hi Laurie.

I've named her "Bones". She's going to live, in 
fact she's looking very good now. All rehydrated and eating well on her own now. 
I'm awaiting funds to get her to the vet, I wont have any money until Wednesday. 
However, she seems to be MUCH improved with just some home nursing. My main 
concern now is that she seems to have an injury in her pelvis or back, as she 
has limited motion, and is in pain when she moves (or is moved). I've called two 
different vets, and both say I am doing everything right so far, and that even 
if it IS a pelvic fracture, they usually do NOT repair those, and just let them 
heal on their own. I'm keeping her in a small room so she does not injure 
herself further for now, until I can know for sure where the injury is (if it's 
her back she needs to be as still as possible until it heals). She's eating the 
dry Innova Evo food, and drinking some water, but I am still supplementing her 
with the wet mixture of canned food, pedialyte and nutra-cal, for the extra 
hydration and calories, plus she's getting a cat vitamin a day. She has gone 
potty, and there is NO blood in her poop or pee, so that is a GREAT sign that 
either it is a very minor pelvic fracture, or not a pelvic fracture at all (the 
biggest danger of pelvic fractures in cats is that the sharp bone edges can 
lacerate the intestine and cause internal bleeding). Her first stool was very 
hard and dry, but her second one was very normal, she does not appear dehydrated 
at all anymore (the skin fold test). I think, at this point, she will live, and 
even recover with time. I have asked the vets if anyone has been missing a cat 
with her description, but they have not had her reported to their offices. I 
have not called the animal league yet, but plan to do so. I posted a notice in 
town, on a public note board, where everyone goes, and no responses so far. I 
have a feeling she was dumped. The story told to me by the kids who brought her 
to me for help is that she just "appeared" at his house. She had not been seen 
around there until the day she showed up, and he immediately brought her to me. 
I plan to keep her rather than adopting her out like I have done with my past 
rescues (we've become very attached to her already, she has a very sweet soul). 
I'll update everyone after I get her to the vet, and let you all know what is 
wrong with her as soon as I know.
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 


~~~If 
the cat is dehydrated, she need fluids in a hurry. She may not be able to drink 
enough on her own and may need intravenous fluids. She also needs good 
nutrition. I don't know if any of the supplements you mentioned is advisable for 
her. I am not a vet and cannot give you medical advise. I can only 
tell you what I have seen and heard on the Animal Planet shows about medical 
care of cats. Cats can develop both kidney and liver problems after not eating 
for several days. 
If you don't 
know how long she had been without food or water, you can't know the extent of 
any medical problems. I hope you have taken her to a vet for advice. . A vet is 
the only one who can tell you if she has any of these medical problems and 
determine the proper course of treatment. A vet can also determine if she 
has a microchip that can help find her family. 
Have you 
called your local humane society or other local shelters to see if they have had 
any calls for a missing cat matching her description? These resources can 
probably also give you more medical information than you can get from many of 
the people who post and read these messages. 
I absolutely 
would not give her any sports drinks. I don't trust most of them for humans and 
I don't even want to think about what they can do to cats. 
The last 
posting I have seen from you was from yesterday. What is the latest information 
on this 
cat?Laurie 
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OT: GA Kitten Faces Gas

[BONNIE J KALMBACH]

PLEASE CROSS POST
 
PLEASE NOTE: SWEET SWEET PHOTO AVAILABLE
 
Forwarded Message:
 
 
PLEASE CONTACT COWETA COUNTY
ANIMAL CONTROL TO ADOPT THIS PET:
770-254-3735
 
http://www.shelterrescue.org/id4.html
 

From: Julie Webb 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 11:59 PM
GA. - Coweta - PRECIOUS LITTLE BABY to be GASSED!!!
 
C-14 URGENT!
Domestic Medium Hair-black and white Mix
 
Size: Small
Age: Baby
Sex: Male
I.D: 05052424-1 Coweta AC 
Notes: PLEASE CONTACT COWETA COUNTY ANIMAL CONTROL TO ADOPT THIS PET: 
770-254-3735. 
 
Can you open your heart and home to this innocent baby. Can you give 
this baby a second chance at life and love? 
 
PLEASE HURRY! THIS SWEETIE CAN BE EUTHANIZED ANY DAY!!!  THIS SHELTER 
STILL USES THE GAS CHAMBER!!!
 
If you have room in your heart and home for this precious baby~ let me 
know asap and I will help with vetting!!!  Please don't let him get 
gassed to death!!!http://www.shelterrescue.org/id4.html
 
Please crosspost
 
MANY MORE KITTIES ON THEIR WEBSITE!
http://www.shelterrescue.org/id4.html
 
 

RE: OT cat-safe roach control

[catatonya]

Another thing I used to do to help with ants at our place in the lake is this. I would wipe all the counters, doorframes, etc with soapy water and not rinse them. Use a lemon scented dishwashing liquid or lemon scented bleach or lemon whatever. Evidently insects don't like the citrus scent.

I have also been told (from someone on this list?) that peppermint oil will deter mice. Just put it on cotton balls. I went to the store and they were out of it. In the meantime my mice were 'disposed' of by the cats. e!

t"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ha ha--that gave me a chuckle.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCatsSent: Monday, May 23, 2005 2:10 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT cat-safe roach controli'm sure that upstate new york has them--but not to the degree thatmany other places have them (do yours wear little parkas and bootsin the winter?)On 5/23/05, BONNIE J KALMBACH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: We had 'em in Madison, WI where it sometimes gets colder than twenty below in January.  Bonnie  www.elephants.com  - Original Message - From: Kathy Gittel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, May 23, 2005 12:45 pm Subject: OT cat-safe roach
 control   I'm from Rochester NY and in my opinion, it's just too danged cold  for  the roaches here. They seem to prefer and thrive in warmer climes.  I'm  told that they enjoy heat sooo much that if nuclear blasts  kill  most other forms of life on earth...the roaches will survive.   eeeuuu  Kathy and Deirdre   From: TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Subject: Re: OT cat-safe roach controli'd never seen roaches--they seem to avoid buffalo, for some  reason!--but had a HORRID infestation in one of the houses we  lived in  here in mid-michigan. we were afraid they were gonna carry offone  of the cats, they were so big and there were so many of them   we got ALL new boxes when we moved,
 and lived in terror for a few  months in the new place afraid they're packed themselves in ourstuff,  but they hadn't i'm glad i'd heard about the glue problem re:  boxes in time, because we had lots and lots of great storage boxes  we'd kept--losing them was worth it to be roach-free!   something else you can do to help keep the population down is to put  steel wool around all the pipes and other plumbing openings under  sinks--actually, this works REALLY well for mice, not so well for  roaches just because they can get through the smallest gaps. but if  you pack it in REALLY well   i think cockroaches just sit back and laugh at us, knowing that they  were here millions of years before us, and will outlast us by atleast  that long   (if you get a chance, tho, and the movie
 "joe's apartment" comes on,  it's worth watching--single guy who gets romantic and other advice  from all the roaches he shares his space with VERY funny)  --  MaryChristine  -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.

Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed

[catatonya]

Gosh Jenn! 

I hate to sound picky, but now your font is so small I can't see it without moving my face right up to the screen???

On a more important note. Be sure you're careful when you put up the notices. If someone calls you want to check THEM out before you tell them you have the cat. You don't want to tell someone you have their cat and then find out they are the type of person you don't want to give her back to!

I always say I found the cat and question them about their other cats, how this cat got away, why it might have been so sick, etc. If they sound like a 'sh*t' then I tell them that I found her, but she got away, and I'll call them if I 'find' her again.

Leave yourself a way out. I doubt very seriously she belonged to a decent owner or she wouldn't have been in that condition. There could be a legitimate reason, but usually when you find an animal in bad condition it's because they came from 'sh*ts', not responsible people. Pardon my french, but it really makes me mad when I find an animal in horrible shape and then some jerk tries to claim them. And then if you've already admitted you have it you can be FORCED to give it back whether you want to or not. Just be careful.

t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Hi Laurie.

I've named her "Bones". She's going to live, in fact she's looking very good now. All rehydrated and eating well on her own now. I'm awaiting funds to get her to the vet, I wont have any money until Wednesday. However, she seems to be MUCH improved with just some home nursing. My main concern now is that she seems to have an injury in her pelvis or back, as she has limited motion, and is in pain when she moves (or is moved). I've called two different vets, and both say I am doing everything right so far, and that even if it IS a pelvic fracture, they usually do NOT repair those, and just let them heal on their own. I'm keeping her in a small room so she does not injure herself further for now, until I can know for sure where the injury is (if it's her back she needs to be as still as possible until it heals). She's eating the dry Innova Evo food, and drinking some water, but I am still supplementing her with the wet mixture of canned food, pedialyte and
 nutra-cal, for the extra hydration and calories, plus she's getting a cat vitamin a day. She has gone potty, and there is NO blood in her poop or pee, so that is a GREAT sign that either it is a very minor pelvic fracture, or not a pelvic fracture at all (the biggest danger of pelvic fractures in cats is that the sharp bone edges can lacerate the intestine and cause internal bleeding). Her first stool was very hard and dry, but her second one was very normal, she does not appear dehydrated at all anymore (the skin fold test). I think, at this point, she will live, and even recover with time. I have asked the vets if anyone has been missing a cat with her description, but they have not had her reported to their offices. I have not called the animal league yet, but plan to do so. I posted a notice in town, on a public note board, where everyone goes, and no responses so far. I have a feeling she was dumped. The story told to me by the kids who brought her to me for help is that she
 just "appeared" at his house. She had not been seen around there until the day she showed up, and he immediately brought her to me. I plan to keep her rather than adopting her out like I have done with my past rescues (we've become very attached to her already, she has a very sweet soul). I'll update everyone after I get her to the vet, and let you all know what is wrong with her as soon as I know.
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 

~~~If the cat is dehydrated, she need fluids in a hurry. She may not be able to drink enough on her own and may need intravenous fluids. She also needs good nutrition. I don't know if any of the supplements you mentioned is advisable for her. I am not a vet and cannot give you medical advise. I can only tell you what I have seen and heard on the Animal Planet shows about medical care of cats. Cats can develop both kidney and liver problems after not eating for several days. If you don't know how long she had been without food or water, you can't know the extent of any medical problems. I hope you have taken her to a vet for advice. . A vet is the only one who can tell you if she has any of these medical problems and determine the proper course of treatment. A vet can also
 determine if she has a microchip that can help find her family. Have you called your local humane society or other local shelters to see if they have had any calls for a missing cat matching her description? These resources can probably also give you more medical information than you can get from many of the people who post and read these messages. I absolutely would not give her any sports drinks. I don't trust most of them for humans and I don't 

Re Recent losses

[anzajaguar]

In a message dated 5/28/2005 10:57:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As 
  to the ashes thing. I never walked in there with any hope really. 
  Not in my situation. My fear is that since this was my first experience 
  at this vet, I will have a negative connotation with it even though I really 
  like them. I think I am dreading the sorrowful "looks" and maybe you're 
  right. I am being weird about getting him before work and leaving him in 
  my car all day. Ok, I know he isn't going to be "hurt" sitting out there 
  since it isn't really him anymore but still. And I'm afraid I will get 
  all upset and then go into work, again, crying! But on the other hand I 
  do want to get him home, like Tonya said. This is where he 
  belongs.Jamie
Oh Jamie,
thank you...I understand...as far as you not wanting to leave him in the 
car all day...I was the same way..I was out with my mom when I picked Akira 
up.it would have been easier to pick her remains up on the way..but then she 
would have been in the car all day while we were out..and I couldn't stand the 
thought of it.So I picked them up on the way home

When I went into the office to get her (it was a week after her passing) 
they handed me her box..it was a very nice hand carved wooden box...I was 
okthen I asked about getting some meds for Indy...and while I was waiting 
the girl and I were talking about Akira, and how everyone there loved them so 
much..even though we had only been going to that office shortly (Ive been seeing 
the vet for years now..but she just bought her own office..and the techs and 
peeps allready worked there) I asked about the paw print Michelle 
(the vet) had mentioned.and if it was in the box as well..the girl said 
no...I can believe I almost forgot..then she took it out and handed it to me..it 
was in another separate container with others (so many..it was so sad) so 
I unwrapped it, and that's when I lost itit was so precious, so small, so 
thoughtfullit was a little round white clay with her paw print in it.you 
could even make out the details of her "paw lines"..it was so tiny.so so 
tiny...and they had pressed her name above it,a nd there was a pink ribbon at 
the topthen as they brought Indy's medicine out they brought out a book 
tooit was a photo album that one of the other clients had left, with a 
picture of their beautiful departed kitty on the front, and on the inside were 
their kitties picture with a small note,a nd a little dogs picture with a small 
note, and then teh third one there was Akira's picture, with and empty space 
beside it and they wanted me to write somethingI was shocked, it was so 
special, so wonderful...I lost it agianjust looking at the pic of her they 
had put in there for me...it was one of the ones I had given them a few days 
before she passed..it is a close up of her face, while she was outside one 
of her last times, sitting in the grass.so peacefull, so happy, so at 
home...she was so wonderful...so special...

Im sorry guys, I didn't mean to go on and on agianits just still so 
hardand..when I have a moment..I have a BIG oneThanks for 
listening


Lisaand 
fur-bratsAkira--now in Spirit at the Rainbow Bridge www.geocities.com/anzajaguar 
Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESSLance- Mini wire haired 
dashchundBow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel 
crossBennie Bird-- Vampire cockatielAnza-- sexist Senegal 
parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)

remembrances

[catatonya]

Another thing I do now when I lose one of my babies is to save a clipping of their hair. I put it in the top of the container with their ashes. I know it sounds weird, but for some reason I like to have that remembrance. (If you've never opened one of those containers, the cremains are in another inner container.)

My class took a field trip to the Atlanta History Museum last year, and one of the things I saw that I had never heard about was braiding and weaving hair into ornament type things as rembrances of people. I don't remember what it was called. But when someone passed away or was going to war, etc... a cutting of their hair would be saved and woven into these beautiful designs.

tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




In a message dated 5/28/2005 10:57:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As to the ashes thing. I never walked in there with any hope really. Not in my situation. My fear is that since this was my first experience at this vet, I will have a negative connotation with it even though I really like them. I think I am dreading the sorrowful "looks" and maybe you're right. I am being weird about getting him before work and leaving him in my car all day. Ok, I know he isn't going to be "hurt" sitting out there since it isn't really him anymore but still. And I'm afraid I will get all upset and then go into work, again, crying! But on the other hand I do want to get him home, like Tonya said. This is where he belongs.Jamie
Oh Jamie,
thank you...I understand...as far as you not wanting to leave him in the car all day...I was the same way..I was out with my mom when I picked Akira up.it would have been easier to pick her remains up on the way..but then she would have been in the car all day while we were out..and I couldn't stand the thought of it.So I picked them up on the way home

When I went into the office to get her (it was a week after her passing) they handed me her box..it was a very nice hand carved wooden box...I was okthen I asked about getting some meds for Indy...and while I was waiting the girl and I were talking about Akira, and how everyone there loved them so much..even though we had only been going to that office shortly (Ive been seeing the vet for years now..but she just bought her own office..and the techs and peeps allready worked there) I asked about the paw print Michelle (the vet) had mentioned.and if it was in the box as well..the girl said no...I can believe I almost forgot..then she took it out and handed it to me..it was in another separate container with others (so many..it was so sad) so I unwrapped it, and that's when I lost itit was so precious, so small, so thoughtfullit was a little round white clay with her paw print in it.you could even make out the details of her "paw lines"..it was
 so tiny.so so tiny...and they had pressed her name above it,a nd there was a pink ribbon at the topthen as they brought Indy's medicine out they brought out a book tooit was a photo album that one of the other clients had left, with a picture of their beautiful departed kitty on the front, and on the inside were their kitties picture with a small note,a nd a little dogs picture with a small note, and then teh third one there was Akira's picture, with and empty space beside it and they wanted me to write somethingI was shocked, it was so special, so wonderful...I lost it agianjust looking at the pic of her they had put in there for me...it was one of the ones I had given them a few days before she passed..it is a close up of her face, while she was outside one of her last times, sitting in the grass.so peacefull, so happy, so at home...she was so wonderful...so special...

Im sorry guys, I didn't mean to go on and on agianits just still so hardand..when I have a moment..I have a BIG oneThanks for listening


Lisaand fur-bratsAkira--now in Spirit at the Rainbow Bridge www.geocities.com/anzajaguar Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESSLance- Mini wire haired dashchundBow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel crossBennie Bird-- Vampire cockatielAnza-- sexist Senegal parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)

RE..emergency on starved cat

[anzajaguar]

In a message dated 5/28/2005 11:34:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Leave 
  yourself a way out. I doubt very seriously she belonged to a decent 
  owner or she wouldn't have been in that condition. There could be a 
  legitimate reason, but usually when you find an animal in bad condition it's 
  because they came from 'sh*ts', not responsible people. Pardon my 
  french, but it really makes me mad when I find an animal in horrible shape and 
  then some jerk tries to claim them. And then if you've already admitted 
  you have it you can be FORCED to give it back whether you want to or 
  not. Just be careful.

I just wanted to say one thingthat statement above isnt always 
truemostly yes..always no..which I realize you siad to screen..BUT cats can 
get outside nad go down hill very fast.a cat that is normally indoor only 
and gets out and gets lost...gets beat up and thin very quicklyone they 
often dont know how to hunt..if they can hunt...its a lot different outside vs 

in the house..also they get really stressed just like us..and may not even think 
to hunt or eat...not to mention if they get in a fight, or underbrush etcso 
just because the cat looks REALLY bad doesn't mean they dont have decent 
ownersalso the cat could have strayed REALLY far from home..so far they have 
been looking frantically..just not so far away
Lisa and the 
furbratsAkira, Indy, Spooky, Mona, Lancelot, Bowtie, Bennie and 
Anza

Re: remembrances

[TenHouseCats]

i've saved clippings from my cat's fur, too...

and the hair jewellery was very common--here's a page of info on
it (lark publishing put out a book about making it not too many
years ago)
http://www.morninggloryantiques.com/VictHair.html

-- 
MaryChristine

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Re: RE..emergency on starved cat

[catatonya]

You're right. It 'can' happen. Unfortunately, as many strays as I've taken in there have only ever been 1 or 2 I've found that had 'good' parents actually looking for them. The cat Lovey, that Brenda just took in got into that position. Someone found him in a storm, felv positive, not neutered, etc. They put up signs and his 'owner' came to claim him. They realized they didn't want this owner to have Lovey back, but by law they had to give him back.

Of course the owner said she didn't know how Lovey got out in the first place, but within a few weeks Lovey was found outside again! This time no signs were put up!

And then there was someone on here (Sharon?) that went through hell with the dog she found. The owner turned out to be a real ass, but he called the police on her when she tried to get him to give up the dog. And he even called them again the next time he couldn't find the dog and accused her of stealing him.

I'm just saying you have to be very careful not to say you 'have' the animal until you have talked to the person enough to feel it's ok to return it to them.

t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




In a message dated 5/28/2005 11:34:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Leave yourself a way out. I doubt very seriously she belonged to a decent owner or she wouldn't have been in that condition. There could be a legitimate reason, but usually when you find an animal in bad condition it's because they came from 'sh*ts', not responsible people. Pardon my french, but it really makes me mad when I find an animal in horrible shape and then some jerk tries to claim them. And then if you've already admitted you have it you can be FORCED to give it back whether you want to or not. Just be careful.

I just wanted to say one thingthat statement above isnt always truemostly yes..always no..which I realize you siad to screen..BUT cats can get outside nad go down hill very fast.a cat that is normally indoor only and gets out and gets lost...gets beat up and thin very quicklyone they often dont know how to hunt..if they can hunt...its a lot different outside vs in the house..also they get really stressed just like us..and may not even think to hunt or eat...not to mention if they get in a fight, or underbrush etcso just because the cat looks REALLY bad doesn't mean they dont have decent ownersalso the cat could have strayed REALLY far from home..so far they have been looking frantically..just not so far away
Lisa and the furbratsAkira, Indy, Spooky, Mona, Lancelot, Bowtie, Bennie and Anza

Re: remembrances

[catatonya]

Thank you for the link. I'm from Georgia, and I was surprised I had never heard of it before. It's very interesting I think!

tTenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i've saved clippings from my cat's fur, too...and the hair jewellery was very common--here's a page of info onit (lark publishing put out a book about making it not too manyyears ago)http://www.morninggloryantiques.com/VictHair.html-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892

Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed

[felv]

I look at it this way... if they wanted the cat 
in the first place, they would have posted her as missing at all the local vet's 
offices, so I've done enough already. 

I just went to tend to her, and she can't get up. 
Her back is very unstable now. She is going to need surgery to stabilize the 
fractures (I am sure it is her back now). I'm going to call around tomorrow and 
see how much it is going to cost. If there is any way I can get her fixed, I 
will do it. I REFUSE to let this happen AGAIN. It's almost as if I have been 
given another chance to do the right thing this time. I don't know if you 
remember me ever telling you guys about Do-Dah... he broke his back, and at the 
time I was told to euthanise him and was not given any other options, and even 
if I had had them at the time, I could never have raised the funds to get him 
fixed (I was 8 months pregnant at the time and couldn't work). Then there was 
KiKi, he was hit by a car and I did not get to him in time, and he died because 
I wasn't responsible enough to keep him indoors. And then Moogie, who looked as 
sick as this cat did when I first got her, she died, and I've already 
gottenBones past that point with home nursing. This is SO deja-vu, it's 
almost pushing me in the direction of believing in a higher power. KiKi was hit 
by a car, most likely this cat was too; Do-Dah broke his back, most likely this 
cat has too; Moogie was bone thin, dehydrated, and weak, this cat was too. I've 
regretted my mistakes the last time for years, and have always wanted to "make 
it right", and now, here it is, right in front of me. I am NOT going to let this 
cat die from injuries that can be fixed. I don't care if I have to work 60 hour 
weeks and beg on the street with a tin cup. I'm going to find out which vet 
around here can DO this kind of surgery tomorrow, and I'm going to ask them if I 
can arrange to send donations directly to their office. If that's doable, then I 
will do a very in depth donations campaign online and see if I can get some 
funding that way too. Of course, I plan to spend every dime I have to spare on 
her too. Pay rent, buy cat food, buy the minimal amount of human groceries, and 
put everything else into Bones. I am NOT going to be forced into the same corner 
again, I refuse to take no for an answer this time. I will buy this cat a 
wheelchair if she needs one. This is not happening to me again! If this is some 
sort of test, I will pass it, If this is some sort of redemption, I will be 
redeemed. I am not going to fail, I will not let this cat down! I know I must 
sound crazed, but if you had been in my shoes, you would be thisway 
too.
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 


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If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address 
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