Re: anesthesia question
What's going on with Lucy? Is she still acting weird? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lucy had her surgery at about 12:30 today and came home at 2. Since that time (4 hours now), she has been wandering around in the room I have her shut in, staring eagerly at the walls and behind the furniture in a hyper-alert state, as if the walls were teeming with mice. She will let me pet her for a second or two but then resumes her wall hunting. I called the vet a few hours ago and they said the anesthesia is probably making her delirious, and that it could last a few hours. I just tried calling them again but they are closed for the night. Her eyes are also very dilated. Has anyone ever seen this kind of reaction to anesthesia? I have seen many animals undergo surgery and have never witnessed something like this. She does not seem to be in distress particularly... if her eyes were not dilated and she had not just had surgery, and if the other cats were not ignoring her behavior, I might think she was eagerly listening to mice or something. But she seems totally insane. Any info you can provide on this would be helpful. I will do some internet research too. They had said she could drink at 4 and then eat, but I have been afraid to feed her while she looks so strange. Thanks, Michelle
Re: still confused.....why do I bother giving shots
Karen, Get over the counter pediatric "Little Noses" nasal drops... Works like a charm for those symptoms!! Patti
Re: still confused.....why do I bother giving shots
In a message dated 10/25/05 12:59:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Zeniquin Yes Gloria, I almost forgot about Zeniquen, that was "new" when I was starting my "retirement".. And you did answer the question about the interferon for Karen. That was good info. Thanks, Patti
Re: interferon
Karen, We used interferon and lysine @ the shelter on our Felv+ cats w/ resistant strains of URI's. Along w/ zithromax..Then, our vet did not get the interferon and we switched to Vetri Science DMG liquid. Perhaps there's someone on the list w/ more recent experiences. Patti
Re: DR Pitcairn book....I'm confused I need help fast...
Karen, Search on-line using "tissue salts", "homeopathic remedies", alternative vet. medicine...Two sites I like are www.thewholisticpet.com & www.holisticat.com. Both have lots of info & links... As far as wasting your money on vaccines, well, it is better to "be safe than sorry". My feeling is, I personally would rather NOT vaccinate my personal animals every year, and have chosen NOT to on the older guys, BUT, when fostering, you can never be TOO careful. I just thanked God I had all but one of my guys UTD, when I ended up w/ a group of distemper kittens...One dead on arrival, two died w/in 48 hours or so, necropsy confirmed feline distemper. I have 2 survivors BUT, before I had necropsy done on little Ellen, all the "fosters" were in the barn... That's where I had Charity, the feral Mom, who had just been spayed, tested and rec'd. only initial vx. And her two kittens, who also only had one vaccine. I was freaking, partitioned the barn, stripped down outside, bleach was my best friend, and all of a sudden praying became a way of survival.. The reason I don't like vaccines, is because there are so many mutant strains of viruses, there is NO way any cat is guarded against URI's, etc. cause there are too damn many new, resistant strains aroundSo, my feeling is there's NO guarantees w/ things like Rhino, Chlamydia & Herpes. I had a foster lose an eye because of herpes, YET she was fully vetted.So, I have mixed feelings...I don't know if my guys avoided distemper because of the vaccines, or because of "how" I handled things once I had definite diagnosis. (I was VERY suspicious w/ the sudden deaths, so was extra cautious from the start.) Ok, back to TISSUE SALTS...that is what the "pellets" Dr. Pitcairn refers to are in his bookQuicksilver, nux vomica, etc. The scheduling dosage he recommends for each tissue salt is on p. 348. Example: Schedule 1 - "X" tissue salt - give 1 pellet every four hours until symptoms are gone.BUTif you do NOT see improvement in 24 hours, go to next suggested remedy. However, IF there IS improvement, continue w/ treatment for up to 5 days OR until symptoms disappear. Like Hideyo said, I don't always go by the book... I usually use Schedule 2 OR Schedule 3. And Dr. Goldstein likes Schedule 4. It's confusing as hell, I admit, but I have seen wondrous results.Not always, but I have seen them. What symptoms are your guys showing?? I'd probably start w/ Nux Vomica, but that's only because I am very familiar with that one Anyway, check those sites, or google the diff. terms and hopefully it won't be as confusing. If you do have a "good" natural food place near you, I find the people working there are usually always very knowledgeable & helpful. Good luck, let me know how you make out Patti
Re: still confused.....why do I bother giving shots
ok Gloria, what do you use for the sneezing and congestion?
Re: still confused.....why do I bother giving shots
Just fyi - for some things, I try everything. I've developed a very small "repertoire" of homeopathic remedies that I use for certain things. I use Arnica if I have nosebleed. I use Arsenicum Alb. if I have an old cat that drinks a lot of water and seems to have kidney symptoms. I use Ledum if I step on a stick and break the skin. I use Nux Vomica a lot with a cat that has constipation or diarrhea problems. They have combo remedies too. Sometimes I really like them - like the sinus and allergy remedies. Sometimes I look things up in Pitcairns book or Dr. Hamilton's book. I also use the traditional stuff.I have a cat with chronic URI (not an FELV) and I've tried a round of the antibiotic Zeniquin, homeopathic remedies, ozone, Lysine, Interferon, and am now using hot packs on his nose, along with interferon and Colostrum. I just barely keep him under control. ANyhow - just thought I'd throw in my 2c - Gloria At 11:39 PM 10/24/2005, you wrote: Patti, nope still confused and ticked off. Do I waste my money giving shots Two adult cats that are fully vetted have come down with symptoms. to top it all off it was in the 90's the other day now we have lows of 40. Nux Vomica? ok I got Rhino for sure. pulled from the pound and been on zithromax 10days now my two adult cats are showing symptoms. The kittens were in cages with covers over them. Tissue salts? what are those? where do you see doseages. I am doing vit c lysine b complex ecchansia with golden seal.
interferon
Patti, what do you think of interferon with Rhino? Anyone?
Re: Emilio and Frito
Hi Christine, and welcome to the group - you have a wonderful heart to welcome those wonderful kitties. My heart goes out to you and to Emilio and Frito, who's probably positive too. Sounds like little baby kittens, though. If it's any comfort, the kittens do go negative sometimes - in our rescue in Arkansas, we have experienced that with FELV+ kittens. I used to live in Trenton, btw, a while back. 1 year in Trenton, 1 year in Edgewater Park, then moved to Philadelphia, then Arkansas. You probably need to investigate more about the rescues in the area, maybe they can help you. There are other sanctuaries around, a new one in New Jersey, not too far from you - I've forgotten the name. Also, many of us give our FELV cats interferon. I don't know much about giving it to kittens, though - maybe somebody else does. We're all pulling for you - Gloria . At 08:43 PM 10/24/2005, you wrote: Hi everyone, I'm brand new here, and am so happy to have found you! How wonderful to have found such a group! Of course, it's sad news in my life that brings me here, though, but it's good to know there are other people out there doing what they can. We moved to Trenton, NJ, last year with a dog, Lacey, and two young, (felv - ) cats, Monkey and Simon, and within a day, acquired a new cat, Angus, whom we kept in seclusion for months until we could determine if he had any of the feline nasties (he was tested twice, several months apart). Of course, we didn't seek to get another cat, but cats have the ability to acquire us. He came up negative for FIV and Leukemia, and we were so thankful. Monkey and Simon may not feel the same way, since he's much bigger than they are, but we're working out the issues! Four months later, I heard a terrible crying sound coming from the hedges, and honestly had no idea what it was -- despite the growing number of cats in my household, they're all pretty young; I didn't have a cat until I was 31, so I was not well versed in the wide range of noises they're capable of making. I went to check it out, and discovered Platooski, a kitten about 4 weeks old, in the bushes. We figured three cats was enough; since Platooski was a kitten, we thought it would be easy enough to get him adopted. And as luck would have it, THREE people said they'd take him. We offered him to the first person who asked, and of course, she fell through, but not before the other two women got other kittens. So, we figured, "What's one more?" And then came Crabcake, another kitten. And again, we figured we could adopt her out, and planned to take her to adoption day at PetSmart, but she developed a horrible eye infection. Despite her hideous oozing face, all of my cats fell in love with her while she was healing, and by the time she got better, we couldn't bear to give her up. Platooski and Crabcake also came up negative for FIV and FeLv. All of my cats are indoors only. Angus, by the way, the bully, adores the kittens, though he still gets a scary blank stare when he looks at Simon and Monkey... So, last month, on our one year anniversary in the house, a mommy cat and two young kittens show up, smelling a sucker, I guess. The neighborhood has a bad cat problem, and we've been talking about a trap-neuter-release program, but of course, every time a cat shows up, circumstances go weird, and we're not able to do the TNR thing. I volunteered at the shelter for a bit to get a sense what was going on with that, and while I admire so much of what the volunteers do, I will do my best to never surrender an animal to them, since it's a kill facility, and the city is so hard pressed for resources. So we figured we'd do our best to "take care of our backyard," so to speak. We fed Mommy and babies (whom we named Emilio and Frito), and they stayed on the back porch. I asked around again to see if we could find a taker for these cats, and again, we got lucky and found someone who'd take Emilio and Frito, if they came up negative for FIV and FeLv. Because we live in a city with a stray cat problem, as well as a number of other problems, I brought the crew inside and put them in the spare room, so nothing would happen to them before we could get them to their new home. We let them adjust for a week or so, and then we separated the mom from the babies -- we figured they were at least 8 weeks old. They were still nursing, but were also eating solid food. Called the vet, who makes housecalls, and she came by last Monday, and tested Mommy, who's staying in my office: negative. Tested Emilio: Positive. My heart sank, but my vet tried to reassure me that sometimes they get false positives; she'd send the blood out for a more definitive test. Frito was flipping out, so the vet couldn't draw blood. We put the kittens in a large cage in the spare room, so they couldn't hide from us (they were avoiding us) and Emilio began to deteriorate rapidly. Lethargic, snotted up. H
Re: DR Pitcairn book....I'm confused I need help fast...
ok yes desolving pills when looking on line do I look for "pellets"?
still confused.....why do I bother giving shots
Patti, nope still confused and ticked off. Do I waste my money giving shots Two adult cats that are fully vetted have come down with symptoms. to top it all off it was in the 90's the other day now we have lows of 40. Nux Vomica? ok I got Rhino for sure. pulled from the pound and been on zithromax 10days now my two adult cats are showing symptoms. The kittens were in cages with covers over them. Tissue salts? what are those? where do you see doseages. I am doing vit c lysine b complex ecchansia with golden seal.
Re: DR Pitcairn book....I'm confused I need help fast...
Yo there Karen - the homeopathic remedies sometimes comes in what's called "pellets" - little round balls. Sometimes it comes in "pillules", also "tablets". You can also get it in liquid form (I order some from abchomeopathy.com) I find the pellets real easy to give. Gloria At 10:52 PM 10/24/2005, you wrote: its uriwhat is meant by pallets?
Re: DR Pitcairn book....I'm confused I need help fast...
They are "pellets", which are very small, dissolving "pills", easily dissolve under tongue OR mixed in food. VERY EASY to administer! (Hylands & P&S LABS are a little larger & more pill-like than Boiran's, which are tiny, small "balls" - pellets.) Does this make sense to you Patti
Re: DR Pitcairn book....I'm confused I need help fast...
There is no recipe. These are homeopathic pellets (tissue salts), that you purchase in the name/amt. specified in his book. I'm on page 319 now, in my book 30C Mercurius Solubilus (Quicksilver) is on P. 321. These pellets usually work wonders. work very fast, just follow schedule. I use Arsenicum Album for diarrhea & gastro-intestinal problems, Bioplasma as blood purifier and Nux Vomica works wonders on kennel cough in dogs! I use the brands "Hylands", P&S Labs & Boiran, all easily available at Natural Food Stores. E-mail me if you need more clarification. Patti
Re: DR Pitcairn book....I'm confused I need help fast...
its uriwhat is meant by pallets?
Re: herbs in powder form
Most health food stores carry both of them in capsule form, especially the smaller, MOM & POP Natural Places. Usually, if they do not have item in stock, they can order. (Also, vegan caps available for most supps/vits. Good Luck, Patti
Re: herbs in powder form
Try www.betterlife.com they have powdered sodium ascorbate (Vc) and lysine, pretty good prices too. Gary - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:37 PM Subject: herbs in powder form Hey I am looking for Vit C , Lysine and anything else I can find in a powder form I am way tired of crushing pills.
Re: herbs in powder form
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Emilio and Frito
Hi everyone, I'm brand new here, and am so happy to have found you! How wonderful to have found such a group! Of course, it's sad news in my life that brings me here, though, but it's good to know there are other people out there doing what they can. We moved to Trenton, NJ, last year with a dog, Lacey, and two young, (felv - ) cats, Monkey and Simon, and within a day, acquired a new cat, Angus, whom we kept in seclusion for months until we could determine if he had any of the feline nasties (he was tested twice, several months apart). Of course, we didn't seek to get another cat, but cats have the ability to acquire us. He came up negative for FIV and Leukemia, and we were so thankful. Monkey and Simon may not feel the same way, since he's much bigger than they are, but we're working out the issues! Four months later, I heard a terrible crying sound coming from the hedges, and honestly had no idea what it was -- despite the growing number of cats in my household, they're all pretty young; I didn't have a cat until I was 31, so I was not well versed in the wide range of noises they're capable of making. I went to check it out, and discovered Platooski, a kitten about 4 weeks old, in the bushes. We figured three cats was enough; since Platooski was a kitten, we thought it would be easy enough to get him adopted. And as luck would have it, THREE people said they'd take him. We offered him to the first person who asked, and of course, she fell through, but not before the other two women got other kittens. So, we figured, "What's one more?" And then came Crabcake, another kitten. And again, we figured we could adopt her out, and planned to take her to adoption day at PetSmart, but she developed a horrible eye infection. Despite her hideous oozing face, all of my cats fell in love with her while she was healing, and by the time she got better, we couldn't bear to give her up. Platooski and Crabcake also came up negative for FIV and FeLv. All of my cats are indoors only. Angus, by the way, the bully, adores the kittens, though he still gets a scary blank stare when he looks at Simon and Monkey... So, last month, on our one year anniversary in the house, a mommy cat and two young kittens show up, smelling a sucker, I guess. The neighborhood has a bad cat problem, and we've been talking about a trap-neuter-release program, but of course, every time a cat shows up, circumstances go weird, and we're not able to do the TNR thing. I volunteered at the shelter for a bit to get a sense what was going on with that, and while I admire so much of what the volunteers do, I will do my best to never surrender an animal to them, since it's a kill facility, and the city is so hard pressed for resources. So we figured we'd do our best to "take care of our backyard," so to speak. We fed Mommy and babies (whom we named Emilio and Frito), and they stayed on the back porch. I asked around again to see if we could find a taker for these cats, and again, we got lucky and found someone who'd take Emilio and Frito, if they came up negative for FIV and FeLv. Because we live in a city with a stray cat problem, as well as a number of other problems, I brought the crew inside and put them in the spare room, so nothing would happen to them before we could get them to their new home. We let them adjust for a week or so, and then we separated the mom from the babies -- we figured they were at least 8 weeks old. They were still nursing, but were also eating solid food. Called the vet, who makes housecalls, and she came by last Monday, and tested Mommy, who's staying in my office: negative. Tested Emilio: Positive. My heart sank, but my vet tried to reassure me that sometimes they get false positives; she'd send the blood out for a more definitive test. Frito was flipping out, so the vet couldn't draw blood. We put the kittens in a large cage in the spare room, so they couldn't hide from us (they were avoiding us) and Emilio began to deteriorate rapidly. Lethargic, snotted up. Heartbreaking. Frito seemed fine, in her not-very-outgoing way. Mommy, too, once she got over the initial separation, seemed fine. Again, I have a lot of cats, but not that much experience, and until the other day, I knew very little about this disease, and when Emilio got sick, I thought the worst. While Emilio was lethargic, he didn't fight me: I could pick him up. I cleaned him up and fed him tuna, and he perked up a bit. But only a little bit. The next day, I let them out of the cage, and he improved 100%. I'd been bracing myself for the worst, and I suppose it didn't help. The lab results came back and he's positive. The woman who said she'd take the kittens now (understandably) doesn't want them. And I'm just sick to death about the whole thing, I have been for the whole week, even before I had the official news. They are sweet little babies, and if I didn't have 5 other healthy cats,
Question about IFA Test Results
Here's the whole story. When Monty was 8 months old, he became very sick. When I took him to the vets, he was diagnosed as FeLV+. At the time, the vet didn't think he would make it. Now, a year later Monty is very healty. He has never been sick since his diagnosis and has not shown any signs. Because of this, we had him tested again. The ELISA test came back with a very faint positive but the IFA test was negative. What exactly does this mean? Thanks, Chris Behnke
RE: praying for my Ginger
Thanks, Nina – She is sort of interested as she plays with food sometimes (turkey slice..), but really not eating – I know I have to be positive…. But I always get so scared when she stops eating.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 5:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: praying for my Ginger Have you tried offering all different types of food? Usually when they won't eat on their own, when the act like they've forgotten how to eat, they prefer something liquid, something they can lap. During this last bout with Gypsy, the only thing she would eat on her own, was a tiny bit of goat's milk, (like two tablespoons at a time), warmed in a tiny bowl. She told Jasmine, it felt good going down. Does she act like she's interested and then just not eat? Prayers for Ginger to start eating again very soon. Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Hi, everyone – I need your prayers and good healing vibes for my baby Ginger – she is not eating again – it’s been over a week now – I have been force feeding her everyday – she does not act sick, but she stopped eating like she forgot to eat! She is very fragile and I am very worried about her! Please pray for her that she will start eating and will start feeling better! Thank you very much! Hideyo
RE: herbs in powder form
Vitamin C- I recommend sodium ascorbate powder format (here’s the link to purchase) – it does not taste bad as other V-C forms. Also you can buy Lysine in capsule… which you can easily powder (and V-C) on their food. http://www.bytheplanet.com/MoreInfo/details.htm?prod=571150&PropPass=supplement From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 5:38 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: herbs in powder form Hey I am looking for Vit C , Lysine and anything else I can find in a powder form I am way tired of crushing pills.
Re: praying for my Ginger
Have you tried offering all different types of food? Usually when they won't eat on their own, when the act like they've forgotten how to eat, they prefer something liquid, something they can lap. During this last bout with Gypsy, the only thing she would eat on her own, was a tiny bit of goat's milk, (like two tablespoons at a time), warmed in a tiny bowl. She told Jasmine, it felt good going down. Does she act like she's interested and then just not eat? Prayers for Ginger to start eating again very soon. Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Hi, everyone – I need your prayers and good healing vibes for my baby Ginger – she is not eating again – it’s been over a week now – I have been force feeding her everyday – she does not act sick, but she stopped eating like she forgot to eat! She is very fragile and I am very worried about her! Please pray for her that she will start eating and will start feeling better! Thank you very much! Hideyo
RE: My baby Cricket is sick; I need some encouragement
I do a similar thing, Wendy. I have lots of feral cats -so whenever they get sick, it's a challenge to first of all catch him/her - and take him/her to a vet so that they can be seen - One thing it worked good is to cover their face and the body part which does not need to be examined with a towel completely - my Hannibal stays calm as long as his face is covered (he can't see, therefore they can't see him mentality) - They also have used a zipper bag for my Simon and George - but I don't know how well it works for a very very feral kitty - Ask the vet to lower the voice as any loud voices will scare them... I always whisper when I take my feral. I will be praying for Cricket's quick recovery. Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 5:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: My baby Cricket is sick; I need some encouragement Hello Wendy, I'm sorry Cricket is so sick. You sound like a wonderful cat mom and Cricket is blessed to have you taking care of him. What a horrendous experience the two of you had during the first vet visit. I don't blame you for wanting to avoid that kind of stress again. If I understand you correctly, this is a different vet, try not to expect the worst from this visit. It's possible that the new vet will be more experienced in dealing with reluctant patients like Cricket. I have a semi-feral that is really hard to treat too. I do use Rescue Remedy, (a drop on my finger applied to the inside tip of the ear), and spray the heck out of the bedding and crate with Feliway 20 minutes or so before you have to leave for the vet. Also, cover the crate with a towel or blanket. When you get to the vet, tell the techs that you prefer only having him handled once and wait for the vet. Tell them he bites, if they try to give you an argument, that usually sends them scurrying from the room. What I do, is instead of taking the kitty from the crate, I remove the top of the crate and cover the cat with the towel that was covering the crate, (let him stayed buried under the towel as much as possible). Keep your hands on him and talk to him the whole time. I think an animal communicator is a good idea, but if you don't have time, or don't believe in that sort of thing, you can talk to him yourself. Tell him this is not going to be the same as last time. Things are going to go smooth and easy. Tell him what you expect the vet will do, you know, he's going to touch your body, look in your mouth, etc. Tell him they are going to draw his blood to better understand what's going on in his body. Tell him the quieter he stays, the easier it will be to do. Plead with them to do everything in the exam room, or at least to allow you to come back with him when they draw his blood. It will be reassuring to him to hear your voice and have you present. Be as calm as you possibly can, he'll pick up on that and it will help him relax. Leave Cricket in the crate in the car when you get there. Tell them to come and get you in the parking lot when they are ready to bring you to the exam room. That way you can avoid the sounds and smells of the waiting room. From what you describe it sounds as if he's suffering from some sort of anemia. There are different causes, and therefore different treatments. Blood transfusions have been known to stabilize kittys in dire straights and buy time for remedies to work. We just heard from a member that has had success using Immuno-Regulin subq, insead of IV, if you decide to go that route, I'm sure it would be easier on Cricket. This could have been brought on by the stress of your visitors, but there's no way to know. I detected a hint of guilt between the lines about possibly having brought on this bout of illness. I just want you to know, that's just not so. We can't keep them in a bubble, and even if we could, it doesn't mean they would remain safe and healthy. This disease sucks and sometimes no matter what you do, no matter how hard you try, no matter how much you research, it still claims the lives of our sweet angels. It's a sad sad fact, but it's true. Please don't blame yourself for Cricket's condition. All we can do, is all we can do. Prayers for you and Cricket, Nina wendy walker wrote: >Hi my name is Wendy. I live in Texas. I have a black >cat named Cricket; he's 4 yrs., 5 mo's. old and a >great cat. He absolutely hates the vet, so the last >time I took him was about two years ago when he got >really sick. They told me they couldn't tell his >actual temperature because it was all the way to the >end of the thermometer. It took virtually the whole >staff to give him an injection of antibiotics and take >his blood, after they broke two needles off in his >back. The vet said that he tested positive for FeLV. >When I figured out that the vet hadn't given him any >fluids intra
herbs in powder form
Hey I am looking for Vit C , Lysine and anything else I can find in a powder form I am way tired of crushing pills.
Re: My baby Cricket is sick; I need some encouragement
Hello Wendy, I'm sorry Cricket is so sick. You sound like a wonderful cat mom and Cricket is blessed to have you taking care of him. What a horrendous experience the two of you had during the first vet visit. I don't blame you for wanting to avoid that kind of stress again. If I understand you correctly, this is a different vet, try not to expect the worst from this visit. It's possible that the new vet will be more experienced in dealing with reluctant patients like Cricket. I have a semi-feral that is really hard to treat too. I do use Rescue Remedy, (a drop on my finger applied to the inside tip of the ear), and spray the heck out of the bedding and crate with Feliway 20 minutes or so before you have to leave for the vet. Also, cover the crate with a towel or blanket. When you get to the vet, tell the techs that you prefer only having him handled once and wait for the vet. Tell them he bites, if they try to give you an argument, that usually sends them scurrying from the room. What I do, is instead of taking the kitty from the crate, I remove the top of the crate and cover the cat with the towel that was covering the crate, (let him stayed buried under the towel as much as possible). Keep your hands on him and talk to him the whole time. I think an animal communicator is a good idea, but if you don't have time, or don't believe in that sort of thing, you can talk to him yourself. Tell him this is not going to be the same as last time. Things are going to go smooth and easy. Tell him what you expect the vet will do, you know, he's going to touch your body, look in your mouth, etc. Tell him they are going to draw his blood to better understand what's going on in his body. Tell him the quieter he stays, the easier it will be to do. Plead with them to do everything in the exam room, or at least to allow you to come back with him when they draw his blood. It will be reassuring to him to hear your voice and have you present. Be as calm as you possibly can, he'll pick up on that and it will help him relax. Leave Cricket in the crate in the car when you get there. Tell them to come and get you in the parking lot when they are ready to bring you to the exam room. That way you can avoid the sounds and smells of the waiting room. From what you describe it sounds as if he's suffering from some sort of anemia. There are different causes, and therefore different treatments. Blood transfusions have been known to stabilize kittys in dire straights and buy time for remedies to work. We just heard from a member that has had success using Immuno-Regulin subq, insead of IV, if you decide to go that route, I'm sure it would be easier on Cricket. This could have been brought on by the stress of your visitors, but there's no way to know. I detected a hint of guilt between the lines about possibly having brought on this bout of illness. I just want you to know, that's just not so. We can't keep them in a bubble, and even if we could, it doesn't mean they would remain safe and healthy. This disease sucks and sometimes no matter what you do, no matter how hard you try, no matter how much you research, it still claims the lives of our sweet angels. It's a sad sad fact, but it's true. Please don't blame yourself for Cricket's condition. All we can do, is all we can do. Prayers for you and Cricket, Nina wendy walker wrote: Hi my name is Wendy. I live in Texas. I have a black cat named Cricket; he's 4 yrs., 5 mo's. old and a great cat. He absolutely hates the vet, so the last time I took him was about two years ago when he got really sick. They told me they couldn't tell his actual temperature because it was all the way to the end of the thermometer. It took virtually the whole staff to give him an injection of antibiotics and take his blood, after they broke two needles off in his back. The vet said that he tested positive for FeLV. When I figured out that the vet hadn't given him any fluids intraveneously for 18 hours after I had asked him to (Cricket wasn't eating or drinking on his own), I took him home and with the help of antibiotics and syringe-feeding and a lot of love, he made it back to life. The vet told me he'd never seen a cat that sick come back. He's been fine for two years. At the end of September, we had a houseful of family during Hurricane Rita and shortly after that, I noticed that Cricket wasn't quite making it when he jumped onto the cabinets to drink water out of the sink. He started eating kitty litter and wasn't eating as much. He began to walk slowly and when he came up to me and meowed (he never meows), I knew something was wrong. The (new) vet prescribed Clavamox without seeing Cricket because of his stressful history when visiting the vet. After two days on the medicine, he seemed to be doing better, but a couple of days later, I noticed how white his mouth was and started doing some research. Well,
RE: DR Pitcairn book....I'm confused I need help fast...
What are the symptoms I don’t really follow the schedule, but just use the homeopathic mentioned – what is the symptoms your kitty has - ? just give a few pallets on what’s mentioned directly in the mouth – no food 15 min. prior/after giving pellets. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 5:21 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: DR Pitcairn bookI'm confused I need help fast... I just got the book. I look up the illness say page 319 Rhino...it says homeopathic schedule one or twopage 348 says give one pellet one pellet of what or go back to reading on the illness ...homeopathic 30c quicksilver? where are the recipes for these things?
RE: praying for my Ginger
Title: Message As you know, I am a scary cat when coming to using any drug on my cats – any side effects? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of maimaipg Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 4:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: praying for my Ginger When Ebony didn't want to eat I gave him valium to work up the appetite...don't know why it works on cats that way but it sure did on him. - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:05 PM Subject: RE: praying for my Ginger Thank you, Kerry.. she lost appetite as she became in heat.. but I am not sure if it’s the sole reason. I just wish I could do more for her! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 4:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: praying for my Ginger I'm sending cyberhugs and healing vibes for your sweet Ginger, Hideyo. I know how distressing it is when our little furballs lose their appetite. I'm glad she is at least eating what you give her. Has she got a cold by any chance (and therefore can't smell?). love and hugs, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 5:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: praying for my Ginger Hi, everyone – I need your prayers and good healing vibes for my baby Ginger – she is not eating again – it’s been over a week now – I have been force feeding her everyday – she does not act sick, but she stopped eating like she forgot to eat! She is very fragile and I am very worried about her! Please pray for her that she will start eating and will start feeling better! Thank you very much! Hideyo =00 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
DR Pitcairn book....I'm confused I need help fast...
I just got the book. I look up the illness say page 319 Rhino...it says homeopathic schedule one or twopage 348 says give one pellet one pellet of what or go back to reading on the illness ...homeopathic 30c quicksilver? where are the recipes for these things?
Re: praying for my Ginger
Title: Message When Ebony didn't want to eat I gave him valium to work up the appetite...don't know why it works on cats that way but it sure did on him. - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:05 PM Subject: RE: praying for my Ginger Thank you, Kerry.. she lost appetite as she became in heat.. but I am not sure if its the sole reason. I just wish I could do more for her! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 4:57 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: praying for my Ginger I'm sending cyberhugs and healing vibes for your sweet Ginger, Hideyo. I know how distressing it is when our little furballs lose their appetite. I'm glad she is at least eating what you give her. Has she got a cold by any chance (and therefore can't smell?). love and hugs, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Monday, October 24, 2005 5:43 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: praying for my Ginger Hi, everyone I need your prayers and good healing vibes for my baby Ginger she is not eating again its been over a week now I have been force feeding her everyday she does not act sick, but she stopped eating like she forgot to eat! She is very fragile and I am very worried about her! Please pray for her that she will start eating and will start feeling better! Thank you very much! Hideyo =00 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: praying for my Ginger
Title: Message Thank you, Kerry.. she lost appetite as she became in heat.. but I am not sure if it’s the sole reason. I just wish I could do more for her! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 4:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: praying for my Ginger I'm sending cyberhugs and healing vibes for your sweet Ginger, Hideyo. I know how distressing it is when our little furballs lose their appetite. I'm glad she is at least eating what you give her. Has she got a cold by any chance (and therefore can't smell?). love and hugs, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 5:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: praying for my Ginger Hi, everyone – I need your prayers and good healing vibes for my baby Ginger – she is not eating again – it’s been over a week now – I have been force feeding her everyday – she does not act sick, but she stopped eating like she forgot to eat! She is very fragile and I am very worried about her! Please pray for her that she will start eating and will start feeling better! Thank you very much! Hideyo =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: praying for my Ginger
Title: Message I'm sending cyberhugs and healing vibes for your sweet Ginger, Hideyo. I know how distressing it is when our little furballs lose their appetite. I'm glad she is at least eating what you give her. Has she got a cold by any chance (and therefore can't smell?). love and hugs, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Monday, October 24, 2005 5:43 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: praying for my Ginger Hi, everyone – I need your prayers and good healing vibes for my baby Ginger – she is not eating again – it’s been over a week now – I have been force feeding her everyday – she does not act sick, but she stopped eating like she forgot to eat! She is very fragile and I am very worried about her! Please pray for her that she will start eating and will start feeling better! Thank you very much! Hideyo =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: My baby Cricket is sick; I need some encouragement
Have you tried Feliway and Rescue Remedy when taking Cricket to the vet's? Both work wonders. Black cats are very regal (read their way or the highway) but they can be persuaded to cooperate. I would suggest an animal communicator talk to Cricket and explain what is happening. Cricket does not see the benefits, just the pain, especially since the last trip. - Original Message - From: "wendy walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 4:15 PM Subject: My baby Cricket is sick; I need some encouragement > Hi my name is Wendy. I live in Texas. I have a black > cat named Cricket; he's 4 yrs., 5 mo's. old and a > great cat. He absolutely hates the vet, so the last > time I took him was about two years ago when he got > really sick. They told me they couldn't tell his > actual temperature because it was all the way to the > end of the thermometer. It took virtually the whole > staff to give him an injection of antibiotics and take > his blood, after they broke two needles off in his > back. The vet said that he tested positive for FeLV. > When I figured out that the vet hadn't given him any > fluids intraveneously for 18 hours after I had asked > him to (Cricket wasn't eating or drinking on his own), > I took him home and with the help of antibiotics and > syringe-feeding and a lot of love, he made it back to > life. The vet told me he'd never seen a cat that sick > come back. He's been fine for two years. At the end > of September, we had a houseful of family during > Hurricane Rita and shortly after that, I noticed that > Cricket wasn't quite making it when he jumped onto the > cabinets to drink water out of the sink. He started > eating kitty litter and wasn't eating as much. He > began to walk slowly and when he came up to me and > meowed (he never meows), I knew something was wrong. > The (new) vet prescribed Clavamox without seeing > Cricket because of his stressful history when visiting > the vet. After two days on the medicine, he seemed to > be doing better, but a couple of days later, I noticed > how white his mouth was and started doing some > research. Well, as many of you already know because > you've done this drill, things are looking grim for > Cricket. We have an appointment at the vet in a > couple of hours and it's all I can do to stay at work. > I know whatever ends up happening is going to happen, > but I can't help but keep thinking and worrying about > him. I am normally pretty logical and level-headed, > but I cried all day yesterday after reading all the > negative information about anemia and FeLV. I do have > some hope however. I am hoping the vet will know > about Immuno-Regulin or even better, Virbagen Omega, > which is a Feline Omega Interferon. Both are supposed > to help immensely with boosting the immune system. I > really don't know how the vet is going to be able to > take Cricket's blood to find out what the numbers are > so we can treat him for the anemia; Cricket gets so > crazy. He may end up being his own worst enemy. I > just wanted to ask if anyone has had any success with > their cats taking these drugs? Also, if anyone > reading this will pray for Cricket and that the vet > will be a good one and that we can get Cricket back to > normal for as long as we can. I promised that I would > not allow Cricket to suffer for selfish reasons, but I > don't want to end his life prematurely either. Pray > for wisdom for the vet and for me. And thank you all > so much. I was relieved to find this site. > > > > __ > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > http://farechase.yahoo.com > >
Re: Dixie Louise's teeth
I'll get some. The finger brush is much too big for her very small mouth. Thanks - Original Message - From: Barb Moermond To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 4:08 PM Subject: Re: Dixie Louise's teeth if the finger brush is too small and you're already using your finger - get some sterile gauze to wrap around your finger when you use it on her teeth. That works well.maimaipg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm using the malt toothpaste (she likes the taste) with the tiniest toothbrush you have ever seen. The finger brush is too large for her mouth. I am supplementing that with using a bare finger and pet toothpaste. She had blood work done a few weeks ago and it looked really good. It also showed she had been spayed despite the fact the vets could find no scar. She was very happy I had the test run so she didn't get spayed twice. I have some L-Lysine here. I'll give that a try. Her urine output seems ok. She does have some alleries and that could be part of it I guess. I appreciate any help. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Julie Johnson To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 9:41 AM Subject: Re: Dixie Louise's teeth Hi, I've never had success trying to brush a cat's teeth; mine all hate it. Are you using the finger brush and the chicken or liver toothpaste? If you are actually able to brush them, that is probably helpful. Is Dixie Louise taking L-Lysine? Sometimes mouth problems are due to herpes virus infection and the Lysine would help; actually, if there is anything viral going on, it would help. Has she had recent bloodwork? Sometimes sudden bad breath can related to problems with the kidneys. Is her urinary output looking OK? Julie maimaipg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dixie Louise is FeLV + and has gingivitis. She has lost a couple of teeth (maybe from the gingivitis or maybe from the poor living conditions she had--she was a throwaway). She has developed an odd odor to her breath. I am trying to brush her teeth and she is on Interferon as well as some homeopathic/alternative meds. Can anyone give me any advise on brushing a cat's teeth and on how to deal with this problem? She is about a year and a half old (best guess) and extremely sweet. Thanks"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
Re: Dixie Louise's teeth
Thanks. Gracie's teeth are just fine now and she is healthy and happy and still with you, just not in her body. I am very sure she is thanking you for the love you gave her and is sending you more love than you ever knew possible. - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 2:22 PM Subject: Re: Dixie Louise's teeth I used to use a diluted oral rinse on Gracie's teeth and gums. I would dip a Q-tip in the water and rinse and then gently swab her teeth at the gum line. I was giving her meds everyday, so it was just part of our routine. I'd do one side of her mouth one day, the other side the next. Sadly, Grace didn't live long enough to tell whether it would have saved her teeth. I did notice that her gingivitis was better (less red at the gum line), when I was giving her Interferon alpha regularly.Ninamaimaipg wrote: Dixie Louise is FeLV + and has gingivitis. She has lost a couple of teeth (maybe from the gingivitis or maybe from the poor living conditions she had--she was a throwaway). She has developed an odd odor to her breath. I am trying to brush her teeth and she is on Interferon as well as some homeopathic/alternative meds. Can anyone give me any advise on brushing a cat's teeth and on how to deal with this problem? She is about a year and a half old (best guess) and extremely sweet. Thanks
RE: praying for my Ginger
Hi, everyone – I need your prayers and good healing vibes for my baby Ginger – she is not eating again – it’s been over a week now – I have been force feeding her everyday – she does not act sick, but she stopped eating like she forgot to eat! She is very fragile and I am very worried about her! Please pray for her that she will start eating and will start feeling better! Thank you very much! Hideyo
RE: anesthesia question
Michelle – did you find out what they used as anesthesia? They must have not used ISO gas. They might have used kedamin or the other kind (now can’t remember the name!) – they are injectable and will cause the very symptoms you described, if especially if they overdose it (it’s very sensitive to the weight and can’t over dose it) … it happened to my feral, Oliver. and his head were shaking and couldn’t’ t get up for almost 24 hours and it was not normal. My vet freaked out, too.. keep an close an eye on her.. it should go away.. but obviously, if it does not, over night – you need to call them right away tomorrow – Just as a tip, when they do a surgery in the future, make sure to use “ISO” which considered to be least risk of all, and ask them to never use indictable (whether it’s anesthesia or any pain killer medication) - please keep us posted with her progress. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 4:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: anesthesia question Lucy had her surgery at about 12:30 today and came home at 2. Since that time (4 hours now), she has been wandering around in the room I have her shut in, staring eagerly at the walls and behind the furniture in a hyper-alert state, as if the walls were teeming with mice. She will let me pet her for a second or two but then resumes her wall hunting. I called the vet a few hours ago and they said the anesthesia is probably making her delirious, and that it could last a few hours. I just tried calling them again but they are closed for the night. Her eyes are also very dilated. Has anyone ever seen this kind of reaction to anesthesia? I have seen many animals undergo surgery and have never witnessed something like this. She does not seem to be in distress particularly... if her eyes were not dilated and she had not just had surgery, and if the other cats were not ignoring her behavior, I might think she was eagerly listening to mice or something. But she seems totally insane. Any info you can provide on this would be helpful. I will do some internet research too. They had said she could drink at 4 and then eat, but I have been afraid to feed her while she looks so strange. Thanks, Michelle
Re: anesthesia question
I would allow her water and maybe a very small amount of food and just keep an eye on her - it's probably just the drugs - Smoky and Bandit were a bit odd when I brought them home after their snipping. Fortunately, they slept it off for the most part. I don't remember how old Lucy is, but you know that sometimes a drug will have an opposite side effect in the elderly or the very young from what there is in an average adult. And sometimes age isn't even a factor, it's simply how different people's systems handle the drug. Keep us posted.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lucy had her surgery at about 12:30 today and came home at 2. Since that time (4 hours now), she has been wandering around in the room I have her shut in, staring eagerly at the walls and behind the furniture in a hyper-alert state, as if the walls were teeming with mice. She will let me pet her for a second or two but then resumes her wall hunting. I called the vet a few hours ago and they said the anesthesia is probably making her delirious, and that it could last a few hours. I just tried calling them again but they are closed for the night. Her eyes are also very dilated. Has anyone ever seen this kind of reaction to anesthesia? I have seen many animals undergo surgery and have never witnessed something like this. She does not seem to be in distress particularly... if her eyes were not dilated and she had not just had surgery, and if the other cats were not ignoring her behavior, I might think she was eagerly listening to mice or something. But she seems totally insane. Any info you can provide on this would be helpful. I will do some internet research too. They had said she could drink at 4 and then eat, but I have been afraid to feed her while she looks so strange. Thanks, MichelleBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
Re: anesthesia question
Did they administer any kind of pain killer? Our Pips had a slightly similar reaction after his "pain killer" injection...dilated pupils, and just generally rolling around obsessively...I could tell the pain killer was "good stuff"... :) "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 24, 2005 5:13 pm Subject: anesthesia question > Lucy had her surgery at about 12:30 today and came home at 2. > Since that > time (4 hours now), she has been wandering around in the room I > have her shut in, > staring eagerly at the walls and behind the furniture in a hyper- > alert state, > as if the walls were teeming with mice. She will let me pet her > for a second > or two but then resumes her wall hunting. I called the vet a few > hours ago > and they said the anesthesia is probably making her delirious, and > that it could > last a few hours. I just tried calling them again but they are > closed for the > night. Her eyes are also very dilated. Has anyone ever seen this > kind of > reaction to anesthesia? I have seen many animals undergo surgery > and have never > witnessed something like this. She does not seem to be in distress > particularly... if her eyes were not dilated and she had not just > had surgery, and if the > other cats were not ignoring her behavior, I might think she was > eagerly > listening to mice or something. But she seems totally insane. > Any info you can > provide on this would be helpful. I will do some internet research > too. > They had said she could drink at 4 and then eat, but I have been > afraid to > feed her while she looks so strange. > > Thanks, > Michelle >
anesthesia question
Lucy had her surgery at about 12:30 today and came home at 2. Since that time (4 hours now), she has been wandering around in the room I have her shut in, staring eagerly at the walls and behind the furniture in a hyper-alert state, as if the walls were teeming with mice. She will let me pet her for a second or two but then resumes her wall hunting. I called the vet a few hours ago and they said the anesthesia is probably making her delirious, and that it could last a few hours. I just tried calling them again but they are closed for the night. Her eyes are also very dilated. Has anyone ever seen this kind of reaction to anesthesia? I have seen many animals undergo surgery and have never witnessed something like this. She does not seem to be in distress particularly... if her eyes were not dilated and she had not just had surgery, and if the other cats were not ignoring her behavior, I might think she was eagerly listening to mice or something. But she seems totally insane. Any info you can provide on this would be helpful. I will do some internet research too. They had said she could drink at 4 and then eat, but I have been afraid to feed her while she looks so strange. Thanks, Michelle
RE: To Kerry:
Title: Message Yes, Hideyo---thank you! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Monday, October 24, 2005 3:56 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: To Kerry: Kerry, did you get my message about the photo of Flavia and Snowball? Hideyo =00 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: To Kerry:
Title: Message Kerry, did you get my message about the photo of Flavia and Snowball? Hideyo =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Dixie Louise's teeth
Title: Message No water,, just to put it on the gum and rub it (according to my holistic vet) – Another option is to find a vet who does a dental cleaning without anesthesia, which is rare, but there are out there – I found one, but they are not taking any new clients at this time.. My Ayumi’s gum is hurting very much and she cannot really eat dry food, but am so afraid of anesthesia – I see these postings all the time (different support groups) – how their cats died from dental surgery…. (especially among older cats).. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 2:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Dixie Louise's teeth Hideyo---do you use water on the toothbrush or just dip into the prozyme? Do you have to rinse it off? (I've never cleaned a cat's teeth, but I'm leery now too of anesthesia. Not to mention the cost at the vet's.) Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 1:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Dixie Louise's teeth Hi, I am having a similar issue with my older kitty, Ayumi –she is my very first cat and don’t really want her to go through the anesthesia for the dental work .. I just talked to my holistic vet- he recommends that brush their teeth with prozyme.. and it really works well… you can get prozyme on line very easily.. of course no side effects or anything like that… From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 12:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Dixie Louise's teeth I used to use a diluted oral rinse on Gracie's teeth and gums. I would dip a Q-tip in the water and rinse and then gently swab her teeth at the gum line. I was giving her meds everyday, so it was just part of our routine. I'd do one side of her mouth one day, the other side the next. Sadly, Grace didn't live long enough to tell whether it would have saved her teeth. I did notice that her gingivitis was better (less red at the gum line), when I was giving her Interferon alpha regularly. Nina maimaipg wrote: Dixie Louise is FeLV + and has gingivitis. She has lost a couple of teeth (maybe from the gingivitis or maybe from the poor living conditions she had--she was a throwaway). She has developed an odd odor to her breath. I am trying to brush her teeth and she is on Interferon as well as some homeopathic/alternative meds. Can anyone give me any advise on brushing a cat's teeth and on how to deal with this problem? She is about a year and a half old (best guess) and extremely sweet. Thanks =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: My baby Cricket is sick; I need some encouragement
Wendy, Prayers for you and your Cricket. I have not used either of those drugs but many others will share their info and experiences. You probably know that when kitties are stressed their temp will rise so you might want to take it at home. Can you ask for a tranquilizer for Cricket to take before he goes to the vet to reduce his stress, or use Rescue Remedy? My kitties have not responded to Rescue Remedy but other folks have had good luck with it. It sounds like he might need something more potent than RR though. Just a thought. My Noah must be given some Iso for a blood draw and mouth exam and that works good for him because it's quick, they come right out of it. Good luck. Del - Original Message - From: wendy walker To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 3:15 PM Subject: My baby Cricket is sick; I need some encouragement Hi my name is Wendy. I live in Texas. I have a blackcat named Cricket; he's 4 yrs., 5 mo's. old and agreat cat. He absolutely hates the vet, so the lasttime I took him was about two years ago when he gotreally sick. They told me they couldn't tell hisactual temperature because it was all the way to theend of the thermometer. It took virtually the wholestaff to give him an injection of antibiotics and takehis blood, after they broke two needles off in hisback. The vet said that he tested positive for FeLV. When I figured out that the vet hadn't given him anyfluids intraveneously for 18 hours after I had askedhim to (Cricket wasn't eating or drinking on his own),I took him home and with the help of antibiotics andsyringe-feeding and a lot of love, he made it back tolife. The vet told me he'd never seen a cat that sickcome back. He's been fine for two years. At the endof September, we had a houseful of family duringHurricane Rita and shortly after that, I noticed thatCricket wasn't quite making it when he jumped onto thecabinets to drink water out of the sink. He startedeating kitty litter and wasn't eating as much. Hebegan to walk slowly and when he came up to me andmeowed (he never meows), I knew something was wrong. The (new) vet prescribed Clavamox without seeingCricket because of his stressful history when visitingthe vet. After two days on the medicine, he seemed tobe doing better, but a couple of days later, I noticedhow white his mouth was and started doing someresearch. Well, as many of you already know becauseyou've done this drill, things are looking grim forCricket. We have an appointment at the vet in acouple of hours and it's all I can do to stay at work. I know whatever ends up happening is going to happen,but I can't help but keep thinking and worrying abouthim. I am normally pretty logical and level-headed,but I cried all day yesterday after reading all thenegative information about anemia and FeLV. I do havesome hope however. I am hoping the vet will knowabout Immuno-Regulin or even better, Virbagen Omega,which is a Feline Omega Interferon. Both are supposedto help immensely with boosting the immune system. Ireally don't know how the vet is going to be able totake Cricket's blood to find out what the numbers areso we can treat him for the anemia; Cricket gets socrazy. He may end up being his own worst enemy. Ijust wanted to ask if anyone has had any success withtheir cats taking these drugs? Also, if anyonereading this will pray for Cricket and that the vetwill be a good one and that we can get Cricket back tonormal for as long as we can. I promised that I wouldnot allow Cricket to suffer for selfish reasons, but Idon't want to end his life prematurely either. Prayfor wisdom for the vet and for me. And thank you allso much. I was relieved to find this site.__ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.http://farechase.yahoo.com
RE: My baby Cricket is sick; I need some encouragement
Dear Wendy Welcome, though I'm so sorry for the reason you've had to find us. You have come to the right place--you won't find a kinder, more informed/supportive bunch of people anywhere--it's been a godsend to me. I have not personally used IR or VO but I am sure you will hear from those of us who have. I'm sending zillions of healing vibes for your Cricket, and praying your vet visit goes well this afternoon. It's clear from everything you say that Cricket couldn't wish for a more caring, loving mom. hugs to you and your furball, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy walker Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 3:16 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: My baby Cricket is sick; I need some encouragement Hi my name is Wendy. I live in Texas. I have a black cat named Cricket; he's 4 yrs., 5 mo's. old and a great cat. He absolutely hates the vet, so the last time I took him was about two years ago when he got really sick. They told me they couldn't tell his actual temperature because it was all the way to the end of the thermometer. It took virtually the whole staff to give him an injection of antibiotics and take his blood, after they broke two needles off in his back. The vet said that he tested positive for FeLV. When I figured out that the vet hadn't given him any fluids intraveneously for 18 hours after I had asked him to (Cricket wasn't eating or drinking on his own), I took him home and with the help of antibiotics and syringe-feeding and a lot of love, he made it back to life. The vet told me he'd never seen a cat that sick come back. He's been fine for two years. At the end of September, we had a houseful of family during Hurricane Rita and shortly after that, I noticed that Cricket wasn't quite making it when he jumped onto the cabinets to drink water out of the sink. He started eating kitty litter and wasn't eating as much. He began to walk slowly and when he came up to me and meowed (he never meows), I knew something was wrong. The (new) vet prescribed Clavamox without seeing Cricket because of his stressful history when visiting the vet. After two days on the medicine, he seemed to be doing better, but a couple of days later, I noticed how white his mouth was and started doing some research. Well, as many of you already know because you've done this drill, things are looking grim for Cricket. We have an appointment at the vet in a couple of hours and it's all I can do to stay at work. I know whatever ends up happening is going to happen, but I can't help but keep thinking and worrying about him. I am normally pretty logical and level-headed, but I cried all day yesterday after reading all the negative information about anemia and FeLV. I do have some hope however. I am hoping the vet will know about Immuno-Regulin or even better, Virbagen Omega, which is a Feline Omega Interferon. Both are supposed to help immensely with boosting the immune system. I really don't know how the vet is going to be able to take Cricket's blood to find out what the numbers are so we can treat him for the anemia; Cricket gets so crazy. He may end up being his own worst enemy. I just wanted to ask if anyone has had any success with their cats taking these drugs? Also, if anyone reading this will pray for Cricket and that the vet will be a good one and that we can get Cricket back to normal for as long as we can. I promised that I would not allow Cricket to suffer for selfish reasons, but I don't want to end his life prematurely either. Pray for wisdom for the vet and for me. And thank you all so much. I was relieved to find this site. __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: My baby Cricket is sick; I need some encouragement
I'm sorry it was necessary for you to find us, but I'm glad you did. Starting the interferon or one of the other treatments is imperative. In the meantime, keep loving your baby. I'm a bit pressed for time, so I am sorry I can't write more, but there are a lot of wonderful people on this list, and I know that one of them will be able to give you wonderful advice. Hugs, Terri in NJ =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec & Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: wendy walker To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 4:15 PM Subject: My baby Cricket is sick; I need some encouragement Hi my name is Wendy. I live in Texas. I have a blackcat named Cricket; he's 4 yrs., 5 mo's. old and agreat cat. He absolutely hates the vet, so the lasttime I took him was about two years ago when he gotreally sick. They told me they couldn't tell hisactual temperature because it was all the way to theend of the thermometer. It took virtually the wholestaff to give him an injection of antibiotics and takehis blood, after they broke two needles off in hisback. The vet said that he tested positive for FeLV. When I figured out that the vet hadn't given him anyfluids intraveneously for 18 hours after I had askedhim to (Cricket wasn't eating or drinking on his own),I took him home and with the help of antibiotics andsyringe-feeding and a lot of love, he made it back tolife. The vet told me he'd never seen a cat that sickcome back. He's been fine for two years. At the endof September, we had a houseful of family duringHurricane Rita and shortly after that, I noticed thatCricket wasn't quite making it when he jumped onto thecabinets to drink water out of the sink. He startedeating kitty litter and wasn't eating as much. Hebegan to walk slowly and when he came up to me andmeowed (he never meows), I knew something was wrong. The (new) vet prescribed Clavamox without seeingCricket because of his stressful history when visitingthe vet. After two days on the medicine, he seemed tobe doing better, but a couple of days later, I noticedhow white his mouth was and started doing someresearch. Well, as many of you already know becauseyou've done this drill, things are looking grim forCricket. We have an appointment at the vet in acouple of hours and it's all I can do to stay at work. I know whatever ends up happening is going to happen,but I can't help but keep thinking and worrying abouthim. I am normally pretty logical and level-headed,but I cried all day yesterday after reading all thenegative information about anemia and FeLV. I do havesome hope however. I am hoping the vet will knowabout Immuno-Regulin or even better, Virbagen Omega,which is a Feline Omega Interferon. Both are supposedto help immensely with boosting the immune system. Ireally don't know how the vet is going to be able totake Cricket's blood to find out what the numbers areso we can treat him for the anemia; Cricket gets socrazy. He may end up being his own worst enemy. Ijust wanted to ask if anyone has had any success withtheir cats taking these drugs? Also, if anyonereading this will pray for Cricket and that the vetwill be a good one and that we can get Cricket back tonormal for as long as we can. I promised that I wouldnot allow Cricket to suffer for selfish reasons, but Idon't want to end his life prematurely either. Prayfor wisdom for the vet and for me. And thank you allso much. I was relieved to find this site.__ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.http://farechase.yahoo.com
RE: Dixie Louise's teeth
Title: Message Hideyo---do you use water on the toothbrush or just dip into the prozyme? Do you have to rinse it off? (I've never cleaned a cat's teeth, but I'm leery now too of anesthesia. Not to mention the cost at the vet's.) Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Monday, October 24, 2005 1:48 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Dixie Louise's teeth Hi, I am having a similar issue with my older kitty, Ayumi –she is my very first cat and don’t really want her to go through the anesthesia for the dental work .. I just talked to my holistic vet- he recommends that brush their teeth with prozyme.. and it really works well… you can get prozyme on line very easily.. of course no side effects or anything like that… From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Monday, October 24, 2005 12:23 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Dixie Louise's teeth I used to use a diluted oral rinse on Gracie's teeth and gums. I would dip a Q-tip in the water and rinse and then gently swab her teeth at the gum line. I was giving her meds everyday, so it was just part of our routine. I'd do one side of her mouth one day, the other side the next. Sadly, Grace didn't live long enough to tell whether it would have saved her teeth. I did notice that her gingivitis was better (less red at the gum line), when I was giving her Interferon alpha regularly.Ninamaimaipg wrote: Dixie Louise is FeLV + and has gingivitis. She has lost a couple of teeth (maybe from the gingivitis or maybe from the poor living conditions she had--she was a throwaway). She has developed an odd odor to her breath. I am trying to brush her teeth and she is on Interferon as well as some homeopathic/alternative meds. Can anyone give me any advise on brushing a cat's teeth and on how to deal with this problem? She is about a year and a half old (best guess) and extremely sweet. Thanks =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
My baby Cricket is sick; I need some encouragement
Hi my name is Wendy. I live in Texas. I have a black cat named Cricket; he's 4 yrs., 5 mo's. old and a great cat. He absolutely hates the vet, so the last time I took him was about two years ago when he got really sick. They told me they couldn't tell his actual temperature because it was all the way to the end of the thermometer. It took virtually the whole staff to give him an injection of antibiotics and take his blood, after they broke two needles off in his back. The vet said that he tested positive for FeLV. When I figured out that the vet hadn't given him any fluids intraveneously for 18 hours after I had asked him to (Cricket wasn't eating or drinking on his own), I took him home and with the help of antibiotics and syringe-feeding and a lot of love, he made it back to life. The vet told me he'd never seen a cat that sick come back. He's been fine for two years. At the end of September, we had a houseful of family during Hurricane Rita and shortly after that, I noticed that Cricket wasn't quite making it when he jumped onto the cabinets to drink water out of the sink. He started eating kitty litter and wasn't eating as much. He began to walk slowly and when he came up to me and meowed (he never meows), I knew something was wrong. The (new) vet prescribed Clavamox without seeing Cricket because of his stressful history when visiting the vet. After two days on the medicine, he seemed to be doing better, but a couple of days later, I noticed how white his mouth was and started doing some research. Well, as many of you already know because you've done this drill, things are looking grim for Cricket. We have an appointment at the vet in a couple of hours and it's all I can do to stay at work. I know whatever ends up happening is going to happen, but I can't help but keep thinking and worrying about him. I am normally pretty logical and level-headed, but I cried all day yesterday after reading all the negative information about anemia and FeLV. I do have some hope however. I am hoping the vet will know about Immuno-Regulin or even better, Virbagen Omega, which is a Feline Omega Interferon. Both are supposed to help immensely with boosting the immune system. I really don't know how the vet is going to be able to take Cricket's blood to find out what the numbers are so we can treat him for the anemia; Cricket gets so crazy. He may end up being his own worst enemy. I just wanted to ask if anyone has had any success with their cats taking these drugs? Also, if anyone reading this will pray for Cricket and that the vet will be a good one and that we can get Cricket back to normal for as long as we can. I promised that I would not allow Cricket to suffer for selfish reasons, but I don't want to end his life prematurely either. Pray for wisdom for the vet and for me. And thank you all so much. I was relieved to find this site. __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: Dixie Louise's teeth
if the finger brush is too small and you're already using your finger - get some sterile gauze to wrap around your finger when you use it on her teeth. That works well.maimaipg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm using the malt toothpaste (she likes the taste) with the tiniest toothbrush you have ever seen. The finger brush is too large for her mouth. I am supplementing that with using a bare finger and pet toothpaste. She had blood work done a few weeks ago and it looked really good. It also showed she had been spayed despite the fact the vets could find no scar. She was very happy I had the test run so she didn't get spayed twice. I have some L-Lysine here. I'll give that a try. Her urine output seems ok. She does have some alleries and that could be part of it I guess. I appreciate any help. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Julie Johnson To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 9:41 AM Subject: Re: Dixie Louise's teeth Hi, I've never had success trying to brush a cat's teeth; mine all hate it. Are you using the finger brush and the chicken or liver toothpaste? If you are actually able to brush them, that is probably helpful. Is Dixie Louise taking L-Lysine? Sometimes mouth problems are due to herpes virus infection and the Lysine would help; actually, if there is anything viral going on, it would help. Has she had recent bloodwork? Sometimes sudden bad breath can related to problems with the kidneys. Is her urinary output looking OK? Julie maimaipg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dixie Louise is FeLV + and has gingivitis. She has lost a couple of teeth (maybe from the gingivitis or maybe from the poor living conditions she had--she was a throwaway). She has developed an odd odor to her breath. I am trying to brush her teeth and she is on Interferon as well as some homeopathic/alternative meds. Can anyone give me any advise on brushing a cat's teeth and on how to deal with this problem? She is about a year and a half old (best guess) and extremely sweet. Thanks"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
RE: Dixie Louise's teeth
Hi, I am having a similar issue with my older kitty, Ayumi –she is my very first cat and don’t really want her to go through the anesthesia for the dental work .. I just talked to my holistic vet- he recommends that brush their teeth with prozyme.. and it really works well… you can get prozyme on line very easily.. of course no side effects or anything like that… From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 12:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Dixie Louise's teeth I used to use a diluted oral rinse on Gracie's teeth and gums. I would dip a Q-tip in the water and rinse and then gently swab her teeth at the gum line. I was giving her meds everyday, so it was just part of our routine. I'd do one side of her mouth one day, the other side the next. Sadly, Grace didn't live long enough to tell whether it would have saved her teeth. I did notice that her gingivitis was better (less red at the gum line), when I was giving her Interferon alpha regularly. Nina maimaipg wrote: Dixie Louise is FeLV + and has gingivitis. She has lost a couple of teeth (maybe from the gingivitis or maybe from the poor living conditions she had--she was a throwaway). She has developed an odd odor to her breath. I am trying to brush her teeth and she is on Interferon as well as some homeopathic/alternative meds. Can anyone give me any advise on brushing a cat's teeth and on how to deal with this problem? She is about a year and a half old (best guess) and extremely sweet. Thanks
Re: FIP
Jen, You may remember, my vet's liaison, Michelle Rose, at Veterinary Medical and Surgical Group in Ventura CA (805-339-2290) has made an "FDA packet" to streamline the process. She will fax it out to anyone's vet who is interested in getting a special dispensation. She says everything they need to know will be in there, and of course they can call her if there are further questions. Since only vets can apply, only they, or their offices should call. If she's not available, have your vet leave their voice and fax numbers on her voice mail. Prayers to this poor man and his baby, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All! I just had a very heart-broken man email me about importing Virbagen for his 5 month old kitten who was just diagnosed with FIP...I know some of you have dealt with FIP before (successfully?), and was just wondering if you'd have any advice! I encouraged him to join the list as your advice is invaluable...but I decided not to wait for his reply as (I believe) time is critical when it comes to dealing with FIP! Thanks guys! Jen "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." -- Chief Dan George
Re: Dixie Louise's teeth
I used to use a diluted oral rinse on Gracie's teeth and gums. I would dip a Q-tip in the water and rinse and then gently swab her teeth at the gum line. I was giving her meds everyday, so it was just part of our routine. I'd do one side of her mouth one day, the other side the next. Sadly, Grace didn't live long enough to tell whether it would have saved her teeth. I did notice that her gingivitis was better (less red at the gum line), when I was giving her Interferon alpha regularly. Nina maimaipg wrote: Dixie Louise is FeLV + and has gingivitis. She has lost a couple of teeth (maybe from the gingivitis or maybe from the poor living conditions she had--she was a throwaway). She has developed an odd odor to her breath. I am trying to brush her teeth and she is on Interferon as well as some homeopathic/alternative meds. Can anyone give me any advise on brushing a cat's teeth and on how to deal with this problem? She is about a year and a half old (best guess) and extremely sweet. Thanks
RE: FIP
Also, there is a very active FIP yahoo.group – I recommend that you join there, too. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie Johnson Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: FIP Dear Jen, So happy you are all safe and sound! I have about caught up in my email to the description of your evacuation ordeal; my goodness! You might direct this gentleman to Dr. Addie's website: http://www.dr-addie.com/ She has a protocol on there for treatment with human interferon; obviously a better chance would be Virbagen Omega, but an FIP kitty doesn't have time to wait for it (unless he happens to be located where it is available). I believe more and more that there is no single answer to some of these horrible viruses, but rather a combination of therapy. I did start Tater Tot on the human interferon protocol because it was all that was available. She recommends other supplements, too. I couldn't use them all because he would not eat the food with them added and he just gagged terribly if I tried to syringe them in. He was never cooperative about meds, anyway, but if this kitten is, many people have found them to help (cod liver oil, Vitamin C, etc.). FIP is the worst kind of a nightmare. I hope the kitten has been misdiagnosed; it does happen! So happy you and yours are safe! Love, Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All! I just had a very heart-broken man email me about importing Virbagen for his 5 month old kitten who was just diagnosed with FIP...I know some of you have dealt with FIP before (successfully?), and was just wondering if you'd have any advice! I encouraged him to join the list as your advice is invaluable...but I decided not to wait for his reply as (I believe) time is critical when it comes to dealing with FIP! Thanks guys! Jen "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." -- Chief Dan George "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948) Paws Come WITH Claws!!! If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
RE: FIP
Hi, Jen, I am sorry to hear about your kitties – I am wondering though how your vet came to the conclusion that your kitty has FIP – does he have wet form? It’s very difficult to diagnose for sure whether a cat has FIP 100% accurately.. and lots of symptoms are similar to other treatable symptoms and I am wondering … University of Glasgow (where Dr. addie works) does profile testing for FIP and that’s the only place I know of who does such as test as not any one test cannot determine FIP --- and Dr. addie says that 60% of samples who were diagnosed with FIP, actually turns out to be not FIP – so I am just curious … if you have your kittie’s blood work, please email me – I would to see, if it hasn’t done, please run a complete panel… Your vet shouldn’t have diagnosed without the blood work result anyway.. I am hoping that he has been misdiagnosed as Julie says… Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie Johnson Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: FIP Dear Jen, So happy you are all safe and sound! I have about caught up in my email to the description of your evacuation ordeal; my goodness! You might direct this gentleman to Dr. Addie's website: http://www.dr-addie.com/ She has a protocol on there for treatment with human interferon; obviously a better chance would be Virbagen Omega, but an FIP kitty doesn't have time to wait for it (unless he happens to be located where it is available). I believe more and more that there is no single answer to some of these horrible viruses, but rather a combination of therapy. I did start Tater Tot on the human interferon protocol because it was all that was available. She recommends other supplements, too. I couldn't use them all because he would not eat the food with them added and he just gagged terribly if I tried to syringe them in. He was never cooperative about meds, anyway, but if this kitten is, many people have found them to help (cod liver oil, Vitamin C, etc.). FIP is the worst kind of a nightmare. I hope the kitten has been misdiagnosed; it does happen! So happy you and yours are safe! Love, Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All! I just had a very heart-broken man email me about importing Virbagen for his 5 month old kitten who was just diagnosed with FIP...I know some of you have dealt with FIP before (successfully?), and was just wondering if you'd have any advice! I encouraged him to join the list as your advice is invaluable...but I decided not to wait for his reply as (I believe) time is critical when it comes to dealing with FIP! Thanks guys! Jen "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." -- Chief Dan George "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948) Paws Come WITH Claws!!! If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
RE: Pookie
Title: Message
Fabulous site---thank you so much
Julie!
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Julie JohnsonSent: Monday, October 24, 2005 9:29
AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re:
Pookie
Dear Kerry,
The fact that Pookie tolerates the sub-q fluids is half the battle!
It's wonderful that he does. Isn't it remarkable how utterly oblivious the
deafness makes them to the cranky hisses of the others? Luna thinks the
vacuum cleaner is a huge toy!
This is an excellent site for CRF:
http://www.felinecrf.com/index.htm
I know time is at a premium for you right now and this site has great
information that is well categorized.
Take care; I'll bet Pookie is resting on the bed right now and I wish
I was with him! I think we need new labor laws which provide for morning
and afternoon naps!
Love, Julie"MacKenzie, Kerry N."
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Julie, thank you so much for your reply---I've felt I'm working in the
dark here as the medical records are so badly handwritten (and brief) and I
have no idea how to decode his test result nos (apart from the dreaded HCT of
course).
They
instructed Wellness for him, which I'm pleased about and he def seems to like
it.
I
tried to weigh him on my kitchen scales last night but non possible! I wdn't
be surprised if he only weighed 4 lb.
He's
very good re the subQ--I make sure to warm the water
first.
I SO
want to help him--he is so bony and light (but otherwise seems fine--he's very
curious, and, being deaf, is able to blithely ignore the growls of his
new"buddies".
I
keep him safe in my bedroom on his own while I'm at work---I don't trust one
of my other rascals in particular fight.
Thanks again Julie. Love and hugs to you and
yoursKerry
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie
JohnsonSent: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:51 AMTo:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re:
apologies..
Dear Kerrie,
I'm so happy Pookie has found a home with you! TRY not to burn the
candle at both ends because you'll just get run down!
In my experience, cats with kidney problems have difficulty gaining
weight. They undergo a number of metabolic changes and often one of the
first outward signs of kidney problems is weight loss. Is he on a
special diet (generally low-protein w/low phosphorous, or addition of
phosphorous binders)? I think food often begins to taste differently to
them; I've had CRF kitties just lose the appetite for their formerly favorite
foods and want something else. And, the other thing I've noticed is that
while almost all the information from vets is to limit protein, they seem to
crave it! I choose to not use a special diet (unless them seem to like
it!) and let them eat what they want. I believe eating is a pleasure for
them and adding a little time to a life that's made miserable by eating an
unappetizing diet is not worth it.
I hope things calm down for you soon and I send the best wishes and big
hugs to you and Pookie! What does he think of the sub-q fluids?
Love, JulieKerry MacKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Apologies to all my dear friends for my absence in
posting, which is likely to continue for another week (at least) due to
temporary doubling of my workload to impossible level. Thankfully it's all
in a good cause (Hurricane Katrina).
Please know I'm thinking of you all and praying for
all your sick kitties, and I send my condolences to you for all those dear
souls that have crossed the bridge.
The good news (albeit another reason I've been chasing my
tail this week) is that I have a new (negative) foster kitty, 15-year-old
Pookie. He's white with blue eyes. I have very little info on him
("deaf, kidney problem") but am directed to give him subQs every other day,
or daily if nec. He seems happy enough, but he is SO SO thin--his
weight isn't on his chart, but I figure 5 lb (his sex doesn't even seem
determinate--chart says 'F" -- shelter director says "male"). I desperately
want to fatten him up. I've had no time to research yet, apart from reading
Frazier re the subQ, but any info wd be welcome on what I can do to
help this little guy put some weight on.
Hope to be back in the swim very soon.
love to y'all. Kerryxx
"I hold that, the more
helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the
cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress
can be judged by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi
(1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about
de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
Yahoo!
FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. =00
Re: Alternative Vet
Hi Marylyn, Thank you, I did sign you up for an account and post your vet nder your name, the login info should go to your email address. Hopefully you'll be able to login and post any other ads. let me know if you still have problems! -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting & web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: FIP
Thanks, Julie! I'm still having crazy dreams about running out of gas (and I still find myself looking to see if gas stations have gas as I drive by...yikes)...but other than that, things seem to be back to normal! :) I think the guy who contacted me (James) is looking into importing Virbagen to try to help his fur-baby (Lea)...he found the email (Google) that I had posted to the group as far as writing a letter to the FDA asking for permission to import...I told him if there is anyway his vet can work out something with my vet, I've got the approval letter...it just needs to be ordered! I've had to put off buying it as all available funds are going towards Ewok's chemo...it took nearly a *year* for my vet to finally get approval, I didn't want James to have to wait that long, especially if Lea only has a few months! :( I'll be sure to pass along your email...he and his wife are super-sweet and very heart-broken by the diagnosis...they're willing to try anything! "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Julie Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:59 am Subject: Re: FIP > Dear Jen, > > So happy you are all safe and sound! I have about caught up in my > email to the description of your evacuation ordeal; my goodness! > > You might direct this gentleman to Dr. Addie's website: > > http://www.dr-addie.com/ > > > She has a protocol on there for treatment with human interferon; > obviously a better chance would be Virbagen Omega, but an FIP kitty > doesn't have time to wait for it (unless he happens to be located > where it is available). I believe more and more that there is no > single answer to some of these horrible viruses, but rather a > combination of therapy. I did start Tater Tot on the human > interferon protocol because it was all that was available. She > recommends other supplements, too. I couldn't use them all because > he would not eat the food with them added and he just gagged > terribly if I tried to syringe them in. He was never cooperative > about meds, anyway, but if this kitten is, many people have found > them to help (cod liver oil, Vitamin C, etc.). > > FIP is the worst kind of a nightmare. I hope the kitten has been > misdiagnosed; it does happen! > > So happy you and yours are safe! > > Love, Julie > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello All! > > I just had a very heart-broken man email me about importing > Virbagen > for his 5 month old kitten who was just diagnosed with FIP...I know > some of you have dealt with FIP before (successfully?), and was > just > wondering if you'd have any advice! I encouraged him to join the > list > as your advice is invaluable...but I decided not to wait for his > reply > as (I believe) time is critical when it comes to dealing with FIP! > > Thanks guys! > > Jen > > > "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will > be > unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the > world; > You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." -- > Antoine > de Saint-Exupéry > > "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will > know > each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and > what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." -- > Chief Dan George > > > > "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is > to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " > > "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged > by the way its animals are treated." > > Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948) > > > Paws Come WITH Claws!!! > > If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think > your decision to acquire a pet. > > - > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. >
Re: Alternative Vet
Marylyn Pettey, Russell Springs, Ky. I'd tried posting it myself and that didn't work and re-emailed you. My bet is at least one of our emails got lost (not unusal here at all). Thanks. - Original Message - From: "Belinda Sauro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 10:26 AM Subject: Re: Alternative Vet >Hello, > I already wrote and told you how to post this vet, maybe you didn't > get my email. I have posted it under my user ID but it shows the state > I live in as the psoting state which may confuse some people. > > Please send me your name, city and the state you live in and I will > create you and account and repost it under your name. > > -- > Belinda > Happiness is being owned by cats ... > > Be-Mi-Kitties ... > http://www.bemikitties.com > > Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens > http://adopt.bemikitties.com > > FeLV Candle Light Service > http://www.bemikitties.com/cls > > HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting & web design) > http://HostDesign4U.com > > --- > > BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) > http://bmk.bemikitties.com > > >
Re: Dixie Louise's teeth
I'm using the malt toothpaste (she likes the taste) with the tiniest toothbrush you have ever seen. The finger brush is too large for her mouth. I am supplementing that with using a bare finger and pet toothpaste. She had blood work done a few weeks ago and it looked really good. It also showed she had been spayed despite the fact the vets could find no scar. She was very happy I had the test run so she didn't get spayed twice. I have some L-Lysine here. I'll give that a try. Her urine output seems ok. She does have some alleries and that could be part of it I guess. I appreciate any help. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Julie Johnson To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 9:41 AM Subject: Re: Dixie Louise's teeth Hi, I've never had success trying to brush a cat's teeth; mine all hate it. Are you using the finger brush and the chicken or liver toothpaste? If you are actually able to brush them, that is probably helpful. Is Dixie Louise taking L-Lysine? Sometimes mouth problems are due to herpes virus infection and the Lysine would help; actually, if there is anything viral going on, it would help. Has she had recent bloodwork? Sometimes sudden bad breath can related to problems with the kidneys. Is her urinary output looking OK? Julie maimaipg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dixie Louise is FeLV + and has gingivitis. She has lost a couple of teeth (maybe from the gingivitis or maybe from the poor living conditions she had--she was a throwaway). She has developed an odd odor to her breath. I am trying to brush her teeth and she is on Interferon as well as some homeopathic/alternative meds. Can anyone give me any advise on brushing a cat's teeth and on how to deal with this problem? She is about a year and a half old (best guess) and extremely sweet. Thanks"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
Re: Pookie
Dear Kerry,
The fact that Pookie tolerates the sub-q fluids is half the battle! It's wonderful that he does. Isn't it remarkable how utterly oblivious the deafness makes them to the cranky hisses of the others? Luna thinks the vacuum cleaner is a huge toy!
This is an excellent site for CRF:
http://www.felinecrf.com/index.htm
I know time is at a premium for you right now and this site has great information that is well categorized.
Take care; I'll bet Pookie is resting on the bed right now and I wish I was with him! I think we need new labor laws which provide for morning and afternoon naps!
Love, Julie"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Julie, thank you so much for your reply---I've felt I'm working in the dark here as the medical records are so badly handwritten (and brief) and I have no idea how to decode his test result nos (apart from the dreaded HCT of course).
They instructed Wellness for him, which I'm pleased about and he def seems to like it.
I tried to weigh him on my kitchen scales last night but non possible! I wdn't be surprised if he only weighed 4 lb.
He's very good re the subQ--I make sure to warm the water first.
I SO want to help him--he is so bony and light (but otherwise seems fine--he's very curious, and, being deaf, is able to blithely ignore the growls of his new"buddies".
I keep him safe in my bedroom on his own while I'm at work---I don't trust one of my other rascals in particular fight.
Thanks again Julie. Love and hugs to you and yoursKerry
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie JohnsonSent: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:51 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: apologies..
Dear Kerrie,
I'm so happy Pookie has found a home with you! TRY not to burn the candle at both ends because you'll just get run down!
In my experience, cats with kidney problems have difficulty gaining weight. They undergo a number of metabolic changes and often one of the first outward signs of kidney problems is weight loss. Is he on a special diet (generally low-protein w/low phosphorous, or addition of phosphorous binders)? I think food often begins to taste differently to them; I've had CRF kitties just lose the appetite for their formerly favorite foods and want something else. And, the other thing I've noticed is that while almost all the information from vets is to limit protein, they seem to crave it! I choose to not use a special diet (unless them seem to like it!) and let them eat what they want. I believe eating is a pleasure for them and adding a little time to a life that's made miserable by eating an unappetizing diet is not worth it.
I hope things calm down for you soon and I send the best wishes and big hugs to you and Pookie! What does he think of the sub-q fluids?
Love, JulieKerry MacKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Apologies to all my dear friends for my absence in posting, which is likely to continue for another week (at least) due to temporary doubling of my workload to impossible level. Thankfully it's all in a good cause (Hurricane Katrina).
Please know I'm thinking of you all and praying for all your sick kitties, and I send my condolences to you for all those dear souls that have crossed the bridge.
The good news (albeit another reason I've been chasing my tail this week) is that I have a new (negative) foster kitty, 15-year-old Pookie. He's white with blue eyes. I have very little info on him ("deaf, kidney problem") but am directed to give him subQs every other day, or daily if nec. He seems happy enough, but he is SO SO thin--his weight isn't on his chart, but I figure 5 lb (his sex doesn't even seem determinate--chart says 'F" -- shelter director says "male"). I desperately want to fatten him up. I've had no time to research yet, apart from reading Frazier re the subQ, but any info wd be welcome on what I can do to help this little guy put some weight on.
Hope to be back in the swim very soon.
love to y'all. Kerryxx
"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. =00
IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a per
Re: Alternative Vet
Hello, I already wrote and told you how to post this vet, maybe you didn't get my email. I have posted it under my user ID but it shows the state I live in as the psoting state which may confuse some people. Please send me your name, city and the state you live in and I will create you and account and repost it under your name. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting & web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Pookie
Title: Message
Julie,
thank you so much for your reply---I've felt I'm working in the dark here as the
medical records are so badly handwritten (and brief) and I have no idea how to
decode his test result nos (apart from the dreaded HCT of
course).
They
instructed Wellness for him, which I'm pleased about and he def seems to like
it.
I
tried to weigh him on my kitchen scales last night but non possible! I wdn't be
surprised if he only weighed 4 lb.
He's
very good re the subQ--I make sure to warm the water first.
I SO
want to help him--he is so bony and light (but otherwise seems fine--he's very
curious, and, being deaf, is able to blithely ignore the growls of his
new"buddies".
I keep
him safe in my bedroom on his own while I'm at work---I don't trust one of my
other rascals in particular fight.
Thanks
again Julie. Love and hugs to you and yoursKerry
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Julie JohnsonSent: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:51
AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re:
apologies..
Dear Kerrie,
I'm so happy Pookie has found a home with you! TRY not to burn the
candle at both ends because you'll just get run down!
In my experience, cats with kidney problems have difficulty gaining
weight. They undergo a number of metabolic changes and often one of the
first outward signs of kidney problems is weight loss. Is he on a special
diet (generally low-protein w/low phosphorous, or addition of phosphorous
binders)? I think food often begins to taste differently to them; I've had
CRF kitties just lose the appetite for their formerly favorite foods and want
something else. And, the other thing I've noticed is that while almost all
the information from vets is to limit protein, they seem to crave it! I
choose to not use a special diet (unless them seem to like it!) and let them eat
what they want. I believe eating is a pleasure for them and adding a
little time to a life that's made miserable by eating an unappetizing diet is
not worth it.
I hope things calm down for you soon and I send the best wishes and big
hugs to you and Pookie! What does he think of the sub-q fluids?
Love, JulieKerry MacKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Apologies to all my dear friends for my absence in posting,
which is likely to continue for another week (at least) due to temporary
doubling of my workload to impossible level. Thankfully it's all in a good
cause (Hurricane Katrina).
Please know I'm thinking of you all and praying for all
your sick kitties, and I send my condolences to you for all those dear souls
that have crossed the bridge.
The good news (albeit another reason I've been chasing my
tail this week) is that I have a new (negative) foster kitty, 15-year-old
Pookie. He's white with blue eyes. I have very little info on him ("deaf,
kidney problem") but am directed to give him subQs every other day, or daily
if nec. He seems happy enough, but he is SO SO thin--his weight isn't on
his chart, but I figure 5 lb (his sex doesn't even seem
determinate--chart says 'F" -- shelter director says "male"). I desperately
want to fatten him up. I've had no time to research yet, apart from reading
Frazier re the subQ, but any info wd be welcome on what I can do to help
this little guy put some weight on.
Hope to be back in the swim very soon.
love to y'all. Kerryxx
"I hold that, the more
helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the
cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can
be judged by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi
(1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about
de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
Yahoo!
FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
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Re: FIP
Dear Jen, So happy you are all safe and sound! I have about caught up in my email to the description of your evacuation ordeal; my goodness! You might direct this gentleman to Dr. Addie's website: http://www.dr-addie.com/ She has a protocol on there for treatment with human interferon; obviously a better chance would be Virbagen Omega, but an FIP kitty doesn't have time to wait for it (unless he happens to be located where it is available). I believe more and more that there is no single answer to some of these horrible viruses, but rather a combination of therapy. I did start Tater Tot on the human interferon protocol because it was all that was available. She recommends other supplements, too. I couldn't use them all because he would not eat the food with them added and he just gagged terribly if I tried to syringe them in. He was never cooperative about meds, anyway, but if this kitten is, many people have found them to help (cod liver oil, Vitamin C, etc.). FIP is the worst kind of a nightmare. I hope the kitten has been misdiagnosed; it does happen! So happy you and yours are safe! Love, Julie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All!I just had a very heart-broken man email me about importing Virbagen for his 5 month old kitten who was just diagnosed with FIP...I know some of you have dealt with FIP before (successfully?), and was just wondering if you'd have any advice! I encouraged him to join the list as your advice is invaluable...but I decided not to wait for his reply as (I believe) time is critical when it comes to dealing with FIP!Thanks guys!Jen"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
Re: apologies..
Dear Kerrie,
I'm so happy Pookie has found a home with you! TRY not to burn the candle at both ends because you'll just get run down!
In my experience, cats with kidney problems have difficulty gaining weight. They undergo a number of metabolic changes and often one of the first outward signs of kidney problems is weight loss. Is he on a special diet (generally low-protein w/low phosphorous, or addition of phosphorous binders)? I think food often begins to taste differently to them; I've had CRF kitties just lose the appetite for their formerly favorite foods and want something else. And, the other thing I've noticed is that while almost all the information from vets is to limit protein, they seem to crave it! I choose to not use a special diet (unless them seem to like it!) and let them eat what they want. I believe eating is a pleasure for them and adding a little time to a life that's made miserable by eating an unappetizing diet is not worth it.
I hope things calm down for you soon and I send the best wishes and big hugs to you and Pookie! What does he think of the sub-q fluids?
Love, JulieKerry MacKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Apologies to all my dear friends for my absence in posting, which is likely to continue for another week (at least) due to temporary doubling of my workload to impossible level. Thankfully it's all in a good cause (Hurricane Katrina).
Please know I'm thinking of you all and praying for all your sick kitties, and I send my condolences to you for all those dear souls that have crossed the bridge.
The good news (albeit another reason I've been chasing my tail this week) is that I have a new (negative) foster kitty, 15-year-old Pookie. He's white with blue eyes. I have very little info on him ("deaf, kidney problem") but am directed to give him subQs every other day, or daily if nec. He seems happy enough, but he is SO SO thin--his weight isn't on his chart, but I figure 5 lb (his sex doesn't even seem determinate--chart says 'F" -- shelter director says "male"). I desperately want to fatten him up. I've had no time to research yet, apart from reading Frazier re the subQ, but any info wd be welcome on what I can do to help this little guy put some weight on.
Hope to be back in the swim very soon.
love to y'all. Kerryxx
"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
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Re: Dixie Louise's teeth
Hi, I've never had success trying to brush a cat's teeth; mine all hate it. Are you using the finger brush and the chicken or liver toothpaste? If you are actually able to brush them, that is probably helpful. Is Dixie Louise taking L-Lysine? Sometimes mouth problems are due to herpes virus infection and the Lysine would help; actually, if there is anything viral going on, it would help. Has she had recent bloodwork? Sometimes sudden bad breath can related to problems with the kidneys. Is her urinary output looking OK? Julie maimaipg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dixie Louise is FeLV + and has gingivitis. She has lost a couple of teeth (maybe from the gingivitis or maybe from the poor living conditions she had--she was a throwaway). She has developed an odd odor to her breath. I am trying to brush her teeth and she is on Interferon as well as some homeopathic/alternative meds. Can anyone give me any advise on brushing a cat's teeth and on how to deal with this problem? She is about a year and a half old (best guess) and extremely sweet. Thanks"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
Re: Charity is back in area!!!!!!
Dear Patti, How wonderful! Just because they don't sit on our lap doesn't mean they don't completely capture our hearts! I hope Charity is home to stay; she knows a good thing! Julie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am so, so excited! Just got back home & spotted my dear, feral girl Charity in my neighbor's yard! I quietly attempted to approach her, and for quite a few minutes she remained perched on the fence, just looking at me & listening to my words. I KNOW SHE RECOGNIZED ME!!! Then, the other neighbor's yipper dog started barking & she spooked, but is somewhere on neighbor's property. And, I checked the outdoor "house" I made for her, and all the food was gone, the bed was slept in (could tell cause I put straw in house) AND, I almost cried when I saw she had carried "our feather plume" into the bed w/her!! (This was the plume she "allowed" me to stroke her with.) So, I put fresh food, water & her favorite, TUNA, in both her house & I left the barn door ajar and set up bedding, same food & litter box for her. I debated trapping her again, but I don't want to spook her & scare ger awayI am so glad she is "home". I hope I do get the opportunity to somehow get her in the barn, then I'll work on bringing her into the house. However, if she "truely" wants to be an outside cat, there are many warm . dry places for her. (I put heat in the barn.) So, everyone, thanks for your prayers & please pray she will stay. I never thought I'd be so devastated over a cat who at first attacked me every chance she got.. But, somehow we "made a connection" & hopefully she is home for good!! Patti With Love from Charity too"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
Dixie Louise's teeth
Dixie Louise is FeLV + and has gingivitis. She has lost a couple of teeth (maybe from the gingivitis or maybe from the poor living conditions she had--she was a throwaway). She has developed an odd odor to her breath. I am trying to brush her teeth and she is on Interferon as well as some homeopathic/alternative meds. Can anyone give me any advise on brushing a cat's teeth and on how to deal with this problem? She is about a year and a half old (best guess) and extremely sweet. Thanks
Alternative Vet
I am trying to get the practise of Dr. E A Boswell , 2143 Buechel Bank Road, louisville KY 40218 502.499.9663 added to the list of vets who use alternative treatments for FeLV (and other conditions). No vet is listed for Ky. and that can be very discouraging for people trying to help their four legged friends. I know of at least one other vet but do not have her permission (yet) to request that she be added. Can you assist me?
