Re: apologies.. off topic

[Kerry MacKenzie]

the law firm I work for decided they would do a cookbook, with all the
recipes contributed by staff (it's a huge international firm), and the sales
$$ going to Katrina victims. As I've worked on zillions of cookbooks ..
well, you can guess the rest. I'm not complaining--i did volunteer--but i
did not expect that the whole caboodle would land on my desk a mere week
before the deadline (tomorrow)...along with the strict proviso that I can
only work on it when there's no "real" work to doso I'm burning a LOT of
midnight oiland you can be sure tomorrow's deadline ain't gonna be
metI hate not being able to keep up with the list...hope to be "back"
soon. V. soon. Kerry

- Original Message -
From: "catatonya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: apologies.. off topic


> Hey Kerry,
>
> Just curious as to what you're doing that involves katrina?
>
> t
>
> --- Kerry MacKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Apologies to all my dear friends for my absence in posting, which is
> > likely to continue for another week (at least) due to temporary
> > doubling of my workload to impossible level. Thankfully it's all in a
> > good cause (Hurricane Katrina).
> > Please know I'm thinking of you all and praying for all your sick
> > kitties, and I send my condolences to you for all those dear souls
> > that have crossed the bridge.
> > The good news (albeit another reason I've been chasing my tail this
> > week) is that I have a new (negative) foster kitty, 15-year-old
> > Pookie. He's white with blue eyes. I have very little info on him
> > ("deaf, kidney problem") but am directed to give him subQs every
> > other day, or daily if nec. He seems happy enough, but he is SO SO
> > thin--his weight isn't on his chart, but I figure 5 lb (his sex
> > doesn't even seem determinate--chart says 'F" -- shelter director
> > says "male"). I desperately want to fatten him up. I've had no time
> > to research yet, apart from reading Frazier re the subQ, but any info
> > wd be welcome on what I can do to help this little guy put some
> > weight on.
> > Hope to be back in the swim very soon.
> > love to y'all. Kerryxx
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Question about IFA Test Results

[FORGETMENOTPETS]

Hey guys
I have been off the list for what two or three years now...I want to say 
that I am seeing so many more over coming the virus to negative. Back in the day 
it was very rare at times I thought some people might have made it up or the 
tests were not accurate.
What do you contribute the success to?
Karen 
see our 
available orphans at:http://members.petfinder.org/~TX418/index.htmlKaren 
817-453-4888

Re: anesthesia question-atropine's interesting history!

[catatonya]

Good to hear surgery went well!  Keep us posted on how she feels.

t

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  
> Pretty normal, except for her eyes still being dilated. She is
> sleeping a  
> lot now. Which is understandable, since she had major surgery
> yesterday and then 
>  hardly slept afterwards or during the night due to her obsession
> with the  
> invisible wall mice (amusingly, at one point I actually heard a real
> mouse in  
> the wall, but she did not seem to notice that).  I have her locked in
> my  
> office with me as I work (I work from home) and she is sacked out on
> a cat bed  
> next to a portable heater.
> Thanks for asking,
> Michelle
>  
> In a message dated 10/25/2005 10:54:33 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> How is Lucy  today?
> 
> 
>  
> 

Re: Emilio and Frito

[Belinda Sauro]

Chrissy,
  I'm glad it will work out for the two little guys  :)  I have faith 
Momma will convert your Mom, they really do have a way about them don't 
they??


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Re: apologies.. off topic

[catatonya]

Hey Kerry,

Just curious as to what you're doing that involves katrina?

t

--- Kerry MacKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Apologies to all my dear friends for my absence in posting, which is
> likely to continue for another week (at least) due to temporary
> doubling of my workload to impossible level. Thankfully it's all in a
> good cause (Hurricane Katrina). 
> Please know I'm thinking of you all and praying for all your sick
> kitties, and I send my condolences to you for all those dear souls
> that have crossed the bridge. 
> The good news (albeit another reason I've been chasing my tail this
> week) is that I have a new (negative) foster kitty, 15-year-old
> Pookie. He's white with blue eyes. I have very little info on him
> ("deaf, kidney problem") but am directed to give him subQs every
> other day, or daily if nec. He seems happy enough, but he is SO SO
> thin--his weight isn't on his chart, but I figure 5 lb (his sex
> doesn't even seem determinate--chart says 'F" -- shelter director
> says "male"). I desperately want to fatten him up. I've had no time
> to research yet, apart from reading Frazier re the subQ, but any info
> wd be welcome on what I can do to help this little guy put some
> weight on. 
> Hope to be back in the swim very soon.
> love to y'all. Kerryxx
> 
> 

Julie

[catatonya]

Julie,

I'm so sorry to hear this about Mandy.  You will know when it's time to
make the decision.  You've been here long enough and have read that
many times I know.  It's so hard to go through this process.  Try to
enjoy the time you have with Mandy and trust yourself to know when you
need to make a decision to help her to the Bridge.  Maybe she will pass
on her own when she's ready.  But either way try to trust yourself and
Mandy to know what to do.

take care,
t
> 
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Julie Johnson 
>   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>   Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:57 AM
>   Subject: Mandy Update, Welcome, For Hideyo
> 
> 
>   Dear Friends,
> 
>   I wanted to welcome all the new folks to the list; as I'm sure
> you've been told, it's always bittersweet.  We're sorry you're
> dealing with FeLV, but you will never find a group of more wonderful,
> knowledgeable, compassionate people.  
> 
>   For everyone dealing with sickness, I send you hugs and nothing but
> good wishes for kitties to be comfortable and make a good recovery.
> 
>   Mandy has begun to go downhill rather suddenly.  She has lost the
> verve of her personality and is not finding any food much to her
> liking, except, and Hideyo, this may interest you for Ginger:
> Enfamil.  Yes, human infant formula.  I would not use it regularly
> because the vitamin/mineral ratio is too high in some cases for
> kitties, but I'm not exactly concerned with Mandy's longevity at this
> point.  She doesn't want Just Born or KMR anymore, so I decided to
> try Enfamil and she is eating as best she can and seems to like it. 
> Hideyo, it might be worth a try for Ginger to see if it will
> kick-start her appetite.  The tumor in Mandy's mouth is growing and
> she is having obvious difficulty swallowing any non-liquid.  She
> wants me to hold and stroke her (taps me when I stop) or to sit on my
> shoulder if I lay down, but she has virtually stopped purring and is
> beginning to hunch.   She has lost almost all the hair on her chest
> and inner front arms.  I see her now starting to act as though she
> feels unwell.  I have never been so conflicted about the decision to
> end life.  Both my regular vet and the oncologist we saw last week
> suggested in rather sublte ways that I need to consider it.  Well,
> duh. Obviously I need to consider it since everyone has agreed she is
> terminal.  She just seemed so herself (happy and interested)
> regardless of how she looked.  Until this weekend; it's been obvious
> her condition is worsening and I can't allow her to suffer.  I am
> having a terrible time letting go of my sweet girl; I would give
> anything I posess to save her, but nothing can be done.  My heart is
> broken  and I have decisions to make.  Please keep Mandy in your
> thoughts.  
> 
>   Love to all, Julie
> 
> 
>   "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is
>   to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " 
> 
>   "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged 
>   by the way its animals are treated."
> 
>   Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)
> 
> 
>   Paws Come WITH Claws!!!
> 
>   If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think
> your decision to acquire a pet.
> 
> 
>
--
>   Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. 

Re: Emilio and Frito

[catatonya]

Hi Chrissy,
Welcome to the group.  I have no advice for you.  All I can do is tell
you that I admire you for taking care of all the cats as you have.

I was in your situation pretty much when I got my first positive cat. 
After crying for a few weeks (I found out on December 23, Merry
Christmas!), trying to find her a home, taking her to my mom's for a
while (where she was miserable). I boostered all my negative
cats and brought my positive kitten back home.  And there she stayed
until she died at around 6 years old.

At the time I had 11 or 12 negative cats.  Since that time none of my
negatives ever 'caught' felv from my first positive, and I've even
brought in another positive since then.  A lot of people on this list
mix their cats and some do not.

No one can tell you what's 'best' in your situation.  You just have to
do the best you can and what you feel comfortable with.  I hope you can
find a positive home, but that is hard to do.  I wasn't able to find
anyone to take a positive cat.  I couldn't put her to sleep.  So I took
my chances.  I'm glad now that I did.

Best of luck to you.  I know how upsetting this is.

tonya
--- Terri Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Chrissy,
> 
> Wow.  What a big heart you have.
> 
> There are no FeLV+ shelters in this area (I'm in Bordentown, right
> around the corner from you).  Taffy's Place in the Flemington area is
> full I think.  Any shelter you take them to will PTS.  I think
> Nikki's FeLV Rescue is full too.  She's way up in the Sparta, NJ
> area.
> 
> No doubt you've got your hands full.  I'm full myself (in a 1 bedroom
> apartment), and all the cats are FeLV free at the moment.  I mostly
> lurk on the list nowadays -- I've been with the group since 1999.
> 
> Since we're so close (geographically), maybe give me a call sometime
> and we can chat.  If nothing else, at least I can be a sounding board
> for you.
> 
> 324-1604
> 
> Terri in Bordentown, NJ
> 
> =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis,
> and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec &
> Salome' =^..^=
> 
> Furkid Photos!
>
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/
> My Personal Page:
>
http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Christine Ott 
>   To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> 
>   Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 9:43 PM
>   Subject: Emilio and Frito
> 
> 
>   Hi everyone,
> 
>   I'm brand new here, and am so happy to have found you! How
> wonderful to 
>   have found such a group! Of course, it's sad news in my life that 
>   brings me here, though, but it's good to know there are other
> people 
>   out there doing what they can.
> 
>   We moved to Trenton, NJ, last year with a dog, Lacey, and two
> young, 
>   (felv - ) cats, Monkey and Simon, and within a day, acquired a new
> cat, 
>   Angus, whom we kept in seclusion for months until we could
> determine if 
>   he had any of the feline nasties (he was tested twice, several
> months 
>   apart). Of course, we didn't seek to get another cat, but cats have
> the 
>   ability to acquire us. He came up negative for FIV and Leukemia,
> and we 
>   were so thankful. Monkey and Simon may not feel the same way, since
> 
>   he's much bigger than they are, but we're working out the issues!
> 
>   Four months later, I heard a terrible crying sound coming from the 
>   hedges, and honestly had no idea what it was -- despite the growing
> 
>   number of cats in my household, they're all pretty young; I didn't
> have 
>   a cat until I was 31, so I was not well versed in the wide range of
> 
>   noises they're capable of making. I went to check it out, and 
>   discovered Platooski, a kitten about 4 weeks old, in the bushes.
> 
>   We figured three cats was enough; since Platooski was a kitten, we 
>   thought it would be easy enough to get him adopted. And as luck
> would 
>   have it, THREE people said they'd take him. We offered him to the
> first 
>   person who asked, and of course, she fell through, but not before
> the 
>   other two women got other kittens. So, we figured, "What's one
> more?" 
>   And then came Crabcake, another kitten. And again, we figured we
> could 
>   adopt her out, and planned to take her to adoption day at PetSmart,
> but 
>   she developed a horrible eye infection. Despite her hideous oozing 
>   face, all of my cats fell in love with her while she was healing,
> and 
>   by the time she got better, we couldn't bear to give her up.
> 
>   Platooski and Crabcake also came up negative for FIV and FeLv. All
> of 
>   my cats are indoors only. Angus, by the way, the bully, adores the 
>   kittens, though he still gets a scary blank stare when he looks at 
>   Simon and Monkey...
> 
>   So, last month, on our one year anniversary in the house,

Re: Question about IFA Test Results

[catatonya]

Sounds like it to me too.  I would wait and retest as Terri said.

I have learned the hard way that a 'faint positive' doesn't mean much. 
It may mean that the cat is healthier...

My positive cat was a strong positive when she was sick.  Once she
recovered she was a 'faint positive'.  I saw the various results with
my own eyes.  We were very excited that maybe she would throw the
virus.  He lived around 6 years perfectly healthy, but then succombed
to the virus.

But of course a negative IFA is a whole new ball game.  THAT sounds
very promising!  Good luck!

tonya

--- Terri Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sounds to me like he may have thrown off the virus.  I'd continue
> with interferon (or start it if you're not administering it), and
> re-test in 90 days.
> 
> Terri in NJ
> 
> =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis,
> and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec &
> Salome' =^..^=
> 
> Furkid Photos!
>
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/
> My Personal Page:
>
http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Chris Behnke 
>   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> 
>   Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:38 PM
>   Subject: Question about IFA Test Results
> 
> 
>   Here's the whole story.  When Monty was 8 months old, he became
> very sick.  When I took him to the vets, he was diagnosed as FeLV+. 
> At the time, the vet didn't think he would make it.  Now, a year
> later Monty is very healty.  He has never been sick since his
> diagnosis and has not shown any signs.  Because of this, we had him
> tested again.  The ELISA test came back with a very faint positive
> but the IFA test was negative.  What exactly does this mean?
> 
>   Thanks,
>   Chris Behnke

Re: Patches coughing, Lucy needs surgery

[catatonya]

Good wishes coming your way for Lucy's surgery.  My Bob cat came
through bladder stone removal fine nearly 10 years ago.  I hope Lucy's
goes well.

As for the coughing, I'd go ahead with the ultrasound.  Popeye had one
a   year or so ago and it was truly no big deal.  In fact he had a
great time because the vet and all the office staff carried on over him
so much..

I know I'm behind on my mail so I hope to read good news by the time I
catch up!

take care,
tonya

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Patches has occasionally been coughing for about a week. I had
> noticed it a  
> few times a day, now I do not notice it at all during the day but am
> woken up 
> by  it about once per night. It sounds like a hairball but nothing
> comes up 
> (and  when she gets hairballs she vomits, has never coughed before).
> Other than 
> that  she seems fine.  I have been doing research and see that
> coughing at 
> night  could be from heart disease, and I think my new vet said she
> detected a 
> heart  murmer. I am thinking about getting her checked. I hate to
> over-intervene 
> with  my positives though, due to stress factor if it turns out
> nothing is 
> wrong. Have  any of your cats had this symptom before and had it be
> nothing?
>  
> Lucy's bladder stone is bigger rather than smaller from the month on
> S/D  and 
> so is getting it removed surgically on Monday.  Please pray for her
> and  send 
> her good thoughts to get through the surgery easily and not get sick 
> 
> afterwards, as she is positive too.
>  
> Thanks,
> Michelle
> 

Re: Patches coughing, Lucy needs surgery

[FORGETMENOTPETS]

Michelle,
I live in texas would it be economical to have it shipped here? at my 
expense of course.

RE: Patches coughing, Lucy needs surgery

[catatonya]

Lisa,

I'm sorry to hear you lost Richmond.  

tonya

--- Lisa Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Michele,
> 
>  I just had a cat that died she had Felv, her name was Richmond,
> anyway
> I was reading that somebody need interferon, I have a full bottle
> that I
> justed started giving to Richmond, I know longer need it..I will give
> it to
> you if you need it.Lisa
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 1:17 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: Patches coughing, Lucy needs surgery
> 
>  
> 
> I have had Patches on CoQ10 for years. I took her off it a few weeks
> ago
> because she started refusing to eat it, and to tell the truth the
> coughing
> started after that. I put her back on it yesterday and she is eating
> it
> again.  I put a call in to the vet to see what she thinks, and if she
> graded
> her heart murmer.
> 
>  
> 
> Lucy's surgery is scheduled for Monday. I did not find a source for
> the
> feline interferon. I actually did not follow up on the leads you sent
> me, I
> am not sure why. I think I was hoping she would not need the surgery,
> and
> generally felt overwhelmed. At this point she would have to wait too
> long
> for the surgery if I try to get it and give it to her, since it would
> take a
> few days at best to get from someone, 5 days to administer, then need
> to
> wait 7 days for RBC and WNC counts to go back up.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Michelle
> 
>  
> 
> In a message dated 10/20/2005 12:04:22 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Michelle,
> Didn't someone recently post about just these coughing symptoms? 
> Does
> anyone remember what that was about?  Do you have Patches on CoQ10? 
> I've
> heard about wonderful results in easing heart mummers from using it. 
> Did
> you ever find a source for Interferon Omega for Lucy?  When is her
> surgery
> scheduled? 
> Prayers for you and your babies,
> Nina
> 
>  
> 
> 

Re: Emilio and Frito

[gblane]

I was wondering about Tabby's Place, but couldn't remember the name.  Isn't 
there one one on Long Island too?  Again, can't remember the name!


Gloria

At 06:40 PM 10/26/2005, you wrote:

Hi Chrissy,

Wow.  What a big heart you have.

There are no FeLV+ shelters in this area (I'm in Bordentown, right around 
the corner from you).  Taffy's Place in the Flemington area is full I 
think.  Any shelter you take them to will PTS.  I think Nikki's FeLV 
Rescue is full too.  She's way up in the Sparta, NJ area.


No doubt you've got your hands full.  I'm full myself (in a 1 bedroom 
apartment), and all the cats are FeLV free at the moment.  I mostly lurk 
on the list nowadays -- I've been with the group since 1999.


Since we're so close (geographically), maybe give me a call sometime and 
we can chat.  If nothing else, at least I can be a sounding board for you.


324-1604

Terri in Bordentown, NJ

=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 
furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec & Salome' =^..^=


Furkid Photos! 
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/
My Personal Page: 
http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350

- Original Message -
From: Christine Ott
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 9:43 PM
Subject: Emilio and Frito

Hi everyone,

I'm brand new here, and am so happy to have found you! How wonderful to
have found such a group! Of course, it's sad news in my life that
brings me here, though, but it's good to know there are other people
out there doing what they can.

We moved to Trenton, NJ, last year with a dog, Lacey, and two young,
(felv - ) cats, Monkey and Simon, and within a day, acquired a new cat,
Angus, whom we kept in seclusion for months until we could determine if
he had any of the feline nasties (he was tested twice, several months
apart). Of course, we didn't seek to get another cat, but cats have the
ability to acquire us. He came up negative for FIV and Leukemia, and we
were so thankful. Monkey and Simon may not feel the same way, since
he's much bigger than they are, but we're working out the issues!

Four months later, I heard a terrible crying sound coming from the
hedges, and honestly had no idea what it was -- despite the growing
number of cats in my household, they're all pretty young; I didn't have
a cat until I was 31, so I was not well versed in the wide range of
noises they're capable of making. I went to check it out, and
discovered Platooski, a kitten about 4 weeks old, in the bushes.

We figured three cats was enough; since Platooski was a kitten, we
thought it would be easy enough to get him adopted. And as luck would
have it, THREE people said they'd take him. We offered him to the first
person who asked, and of course, she fell through, but not before the
other two women got other kittens. So, we figured, "What's one more?"
And then came Crabcake, another kitten. And again, we figured we could
adopt her out, and planned to take her to adoption day at PetSmart, but
she developed a horrible eye infection. Despite her hideous oozing
face, all of my cats fell in love with her while she was healing, and
by the time she got better, we couldn't bear to give her up.

Platooski and Crabcake also came up negative for FIV and FeLv. All of
my cats are indoors only. Angus, by the way, the bully, adores the
kittens, though he still gets a scary blank stare when he looks at
Simon and Monkey...

So, last month, on our one year anniversary in the house, a mommy cat
and two young kittens show up, smelling a sucker, I guess. The
neighborhood has a bad cat problem, and we've been talking about a
trap-neuter-release program, but of course, every time a cat shows up,
circumstances go weird, and we're not able to do the TNR thing. I
volunteered at the shelter for a bit to get a sense what was going on
with that, and while I admire so much of what the volunteers do, I will
do my best to never surrender an animal to them, since it's a kill
facility, and the city is so hard pressed for resources. So we figured
we'd do our best to "take care of our backyard," so to speak. We fed
Mommy and babies (whom we named Emilio and Frito), and they stayed on
the back porch. I asked around again to see if we could find a taker
for these cats, and again, we got lucky and found someone who'd take
Emilio and Frito, if they came up negative for FIV and FeLv.

Because we live in a city with a stray cat problem, as well as a number
of other problems, I brought the crew inside and put them in the spare
room, so nothing would happen to them before we could get them to their
new home. We let them adjust for a week or so, and then we separated
the mom from the babies -- we figured they were at least 8 weeks old.
They were still nursing, but were also eating s

RE: Should I spay Ginger?

[catatonya]

Oh Hideyo,

I don't mean 'that' when I say trust your instincts.  Suzi was
perfectly healthy.  You had NO way of knowing something would happen. 
If I didn't take my cats to the vet everytime they tried to get out of
the carrier no one would ever go..

You can't beat yourself up and feel guilty about Suzi.  Sometimes
things like that just happen.  It's sad.  But they do.  :(

tonya

--- Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Good for you!  I do believe in the spiritual connection that you have
> with your kitty - the day of the surgery for Suzi, I put her in a
> carrier, and somehow, she managed to open the door of a carrier and
> got
> out --- and I should have know that it was a sign for her to let me
> know
> that she is not supposed to go that day.. and instead, I forced her
> back
> in the carrier and took her to the vet,, and she died... I so regret
> that I did not trust a sign that Suzi was giving to me..
> 
>  
> 
>   _  
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan
> Loesch
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 2:24 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: Should I spay Ginger?
> 
>  
> 
> I would, too.  And that is advice that I am going to follow.  Partly
> because I've had her since she was four months old and she's come to
> work with me almost since the beginning and I've only had that
> feeling
> lately.
> 
> Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> Susan,
> Listen to your intuition. Going into heat can be stressful too,
> anyone 
> that has had a female in heat in the house can tell you that, but
> it's 
> not as stressful as surgery. As long as you are very careful that she
> 
> has no avenue of escape, why not wait until that "feeling" goes away?
> 
> For you and Hideyo both, if you have any reason, (feelings count!),
> to 
> not spay and then something happens when you do, you'd torture 
> yourselves afterward. At least I know I would.
> 
> Susan Loesch wrote:
> 
> > Julie - you said you waited until they were close to a year -- did
> you
> 
> > wait as long as you could - until they first came in heat and then 
> > spay? I hadn't really thought about this til today -- I've always 
> > spayed and neutered negatives and positives, both feleuk and FIV
> and 
> > not given it a thought - nor had any problems. But I have here at 
> > work with me today Daisy, one of my "library cats" that I bring to 
> > school (work) at AR School for the Blind. She is actually a foster 
> > kitty but has become not only one of my extra special kids but also
> a 
> > favorite of my kids at school. She is about 9 months old - no sign
> of 
> > going into heat. And as she has gotten older she has been full of 
> > energy - but I just have a gut feeling that she isn't going to be
> one 
> > of the super-healthy, long-lived feleuk babies. She has lost some 
> > weight recently - I don't have anything else to go by - just a
> feeling.
> > 
> > So for the first time ever I am wondering about spaying - and I
> don't 
> > believe in unaltered animals at all! So I am watching everyone's 
> > answers here very closely. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

RE: Should I spay Ginger?

[catatonya]

Yes,

It's a hard call. I agree to follow your instincts.  Felv kitties are
more susceptible to cancer already, and waiting until after the first
heat increases the risk of some cancers  Also, the stress of going
into heat is bad for felv cats as well.

However..if she's under the weather at all I might wait.  I would
certainly wait for my cat with the broken back like Jenn has.  I agree
about running the bloodwork too.  And most of all, just having a vet
you trust.  I know my vet takes extra care with my positive cat for any
procedure.

tonya

--- Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That's a very good practice - I really wish I did it with Suzi...I am
> sorry, you guys.. I just still can't get over it  everytime I
> think
> of it I can't stop crying missing her and feeling awful - she was
> the sweetest baby and has the softest fur...I just loved her so
> much..
> and I never had a chance to say good bye to her .. and I don't think
> I
> will ever get over it ..
> 
>   _  
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb
> Moermond
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 3:55 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: RE: Should I spay Ginger?
> 
> 
> You know, my vets won't do ANY surgical procedure without having
> recent
> bloodwork.  Period.  Recent being within the previous 4 weeks.  This
> goes to dentals, spaying/neutering, etc etc
> 
> Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
>   Hi, Ginger did not go in heat like normal other kitties are
> either - as she was very under-size and under nourished when I first
> found her - 
> 
>   If you notice any decline in your kitties' health - you might
> want to wait and see how she does.. no matter what my vet says, I
> don't
> take spaying/neutering surgery lightly - when spaying and neutering
> clinic, it's not uncommon to lose a kitty from the reaction from
> anesthesia.. and I had to live with the pain and I still do, when I
> lost
> 9 month old very healthy baby, Suzi to the spaying surgery - please
> trust your gut feeling - 
> 
>
> 
>   I don't believe "breeding animals" - but if it's better to wait
> because of their health condition to go through a surgery, I don't
> feel
> that there is nothing really wrong with waiting either.  One thing I
> am
> going to do, and I would like to recommend that you do, prior to
> surgery, if you decide to do for her in the future, to run a blood
> panel
> to find out their condition prior to the surgery - if she is too
> anemic,
> I would not recommend a surgery - (Suzi's PCV was very low for some
> reason )... or any abnormality which can be considered to be
> serious..
> 
>
> 
>   I also had an opportunity to talk to Dr. Addie who does research
> for treatment for FIP at Glasgow - she strongly recommend that any
> virus
> compromised kitty whether it's FeLV or corona virus, postpone the
> spaying/surgery as long as you can - as their immune system will be
> stronger.
> 
>
> 
>   
>   _  
> 
> 
>   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan
> Loesch
>   Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 1:58 PM
>   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>   Subject: RE: Should I spay Ginger?
> 
>
> 
>   Julie - you said you waited until they were close to a year --
> did you wait as long as you could - until they first came in heat and
> then spay?  I hadn't really thought about this til today -- I've
> always
> spayed and neutered negatives and positives, both feleuk and FIV and
> not
> given it a thought - nor had any problems.But I have here at work
> with me today Daisy, one of my "library cats" that I bring to school
> (work) at AR School for the Blind.  She is actually a foster kitty
> but
> has become not only one of my extra special kids but also a favorite
> of
> my kids at school.  She is about 9 months old - no sign of going into
> heat.  And as she has gotten older she has been full of energy  - but
> I
> just have a gut feeling that she isn't going to be one of the
> super-healthy, long-lived feleuk babies.  She has lost some weight
> recently - I don't have anything else to go by - just a feeling.
> 
>
> 
>   So for the first time ever I am wondering about spaying - and I
> don't believe in unaltered animals at all! So I am watching
> everyone's
> answers here very closely.
>   
>   Julie Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>   Hi Hideyo,
> 
>
> 
>   It's so hard sometimes to know and do what is best for
> them.  Is Ginger positive?  Is there something else going on that
> could
> be compromising her appetite?  Intact females are statistically more
> susceptible to mammary cancers, aside from the obvious reasons why
> spaying is good.  I waited with Little Evie and Trixie, both were
> probably close to a year old (they were just so TINY I couldn't bring
> myself to make the appointment) before

Re: Emilio and Frito

[FORGETMENOTPETS]

If I remember Niki is always full that woman has a heart of 
gold.

Re: Emilio and Frito

[Terri Brown]

Hi Chrissy,
 
Wow.  What a big heart you have.
 
There are no FeLV+ shelters in this area (I'm in Bordentown, right around 
the corner from you).  Taffy's Place in the Flemington area is full I 
think.  Any shelter you take them to will PTS.  I think Nikki's FeLV 
Rescue is full too.  She's way up in the Sparta, NJ area.
 
No doubt you've got your hands full.  I'm full myself (in a 1 bedroom 
apartment), and all the cats are FeLV free at the moment.  I mostly lurk on 
the list nowadays -- I've been with the group since 1999.
 
Since we're so close (geographically), maybe give me a call sometime and we 
can chat.  If nothing else, at least I can be a sounding board for 
you.
 
324-1604
 
Terri in Bordentown, NJ
 
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furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec & Salome' 
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Christine Ott 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 9:43 
  PM
  Subject: Emilio and Frito
  Hi everyone,I'm brand new here, and am so happy to have 
  found you! How wonderful to have found such a group! Of course, it's sad 
  news in my life that brings me here, though, but it's good to know there 
  are other people out there doing what they can.We moved to 
  Trenton, NJ, last year with a dog, Lacey, and two young, (felv - ) cats, 
  Monkey and Simon, and within a day, acquired a new cat, Angus, whom we 
  kept in seclusion for months until we could determine if he had any of the 
  feline nasties (he was tested twice, several months apart). Of course, we 
  didn't seek to get another cat, but cats have the ability to acquire us. 
  He came up negative for FIV and Leukemia, and we were so thankful. Monkey 
  and Simon may not feel the same way, since he's much bigger than they are, 
  but we're working out the issues!Four months later, I heard a terrible 
  crying sound coming from the hedges, and honestly had no idea what it was 
  -- despite the growing number of cats in my household, they're all pretty 
  young; I didn't have a cat until I was 31, so I was not well versed in the 
  wide range of noises they're capable of making. I went to check it out, 
  and discovered Platooski, a kitten about 4 weeks old, in the 
  bushes.We figured three cats was enough; since Platooski was a kitten, 
  we thought it would be easy enough to get him adopted. And as luck would 
  have it, THREE people said they'd take him. We offered him to the first 
  person who asked, and of course, she fell through, but not before the 
  other two women got other kittens. So, we figured, "What's one more?" 
  And then came Crabcake, another kitten. And again, we figured we could 
  adopt her out, and planned to take her to adoption day at PetSmart, but 
  she developed a horrible eye infection. Despite her hideous oozing 
  face, all of my cats fell in love with her while she was healing, and 
  by the time she got better, we couldn't bear to give her 
  up.Platooski and Crabcake also came up negative for FIV and FeLv. All 
  of my cats are indoors only. Angus, by the way, the bully, adores the 
  kittens, though he still gets a scary blank stare when he looks at 
  Simon and Monkey...So, last month, on our one year anniversary in 
  the house, a mommy cat and two young kittens show up, smelling a sucker, I 
  guess. The neighborhood has a bad cat problem, and we've been talking 
  about a trap-neuter-release program, but of course, every time a cat shows 
  up, circumstances go weird, and we're not able to do the TNR thing. I 
  volunteered at the shelter for a bit to get a sense what was going on 
  with that, and while I admire so much of what the volunteers do, I will 
  do my best to never surrender an animal to them, since it's a kill 
  facility, and the city is so hard pressed for resources. So we figured 
  we'd do our best to "take care of our backyard," so to speak. We fed 
  Mommy and babies (whom we named Emilio and Frito), and they stayed on 
  the back porch. I asked around again to see if we could find a taker 
  for these cats, and again, we got lucky and found someone who'd take 
  Emilio and Frito, if they came up negative for FIV and 
  FeLv.Because we live in a city with a stray cat problem, as well as a 
  number of other problems, I brought the crew inside and put them in the 
  spare room, so nothing would happen to them before we could get them to 
  their new home. We let them adjust for a week or so, and then we separated 
  the mom from the babies -- we figured they were at least 8 weeks old. 
  They were still nursing, but were also eating solid food. Called the 
  vet, who makes housecalls, and shecame by last Monday, and tested 
  Mommy, who's staying in my office: negative. Tested Emilio: Positive. My 
  heart sank, but my vet tri

Re: Question about IFA Test Results

[Terri Brown]

Sounds to me like he may have thrown off the virus.  I'd continue with 
interferon (or start it if you're not administering it), and re-test in 90 
days.
 
Terri in NJ
 
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furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec & Salome' 
=^..^=
 
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris 
  Behnke 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:38 
  PM
  Subject: Question about IFA Test 
  Results
  
  Here's the whole story.  When Monty was 8 
  months old, he became very sick.  When I took him to the vets, he was 
  diagnosed as FeLV+.  At the time, the vet didn't think he would make 
  it.  Now, a year later Monty is very healty.  He has never been sick 
  since his diagnosis and has not shown any signs.  Because of this, we had 
  him tested again.  The ELISA test came back with a very faint positive 
  but the IFA test was negative.  What exactly does this mean?
   
  Thanks,
  Chris 
Behnke

Re: Mandy Update, Welcome, For Hideyo

[maimaipg]

Three suggestions:  Discuss her wishes with 
her.either by yourself or with the assistance of an animal 
communicator.  Get the powered Just Born and mix it stronger (more powder) 
that the instructions suggest.  Listen to your heart.  Not any 
one.  Mandy will talk to your heart. 
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Julie 
  Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:57 
  AM
  Subject: Mandy Update, Welcome, For 
  Hideyo
  
  Dear Friends,
   
  I wanted to welcome all the new folks to the list; as I'm sure you've 
  been told, it's always bittersweet.  We're sorry you're dealing with 
  FeLV, but you will never find a group of more wonderful, knowledgeable, 
  compassionate people.  
   
  For everyone dealing with sickness, I send you hugs and nothing but good 
  wishes for kitties to be comfortable and make a good recovery.
   
  Mandy has begun to go downhill rather suddenly.  She has lost the 
  verve of her personality and is not finding any food much to her liking, 
  except, and Hideyo, this may interest you for Ginger: Enfamil.  Yes, 
  human infant formula.  I would not use it regularly because the 
  vitamin/mineral ratio is too high in some cases for kitties, but I'm not 
  exactly concerned with Mandy's longevity at this point.  She doesn't want 
  Just Born or KMR anymore, so I decided to try Enfamil and she is eating as 
  best she can and seems to like it.  Hideyo, it might be worth a try for 
  Ginger to see if it will kick-start her appetite.  The tumor in Mandy's 
  mouth is growing and she is having obvious difficulty swallowing any 
  non-liquid.  She wants me to hold and stroke her (taps me when I stop) or 
  to sit on my shoulder if I lay down, but she has virtually stopped purring and 
  is beginning to hunch.   She has lost almost all the hair on her 
  chest and inner front arms.  I see her now starting to act as though 
  she feels unwell.  I have never been so conflicted about the decision to 
  end life.  Both my regular vet and the oncologist we saw last week 
  suggested in rather sublte ways that I need to consider it.  Well, duh. 
  Obviously I need to consider it since everyone has agreed she is 
  terminal.  She just seemed so herself (happy and interested) regardless 
  of how she looked.  Until this weekend; it's been obvious her condition 
  is worsening and I can't allow her to suffer.  I am having a terrible 
  time letting go of my sweet girl; I would give anything I posess to save her, 
  but nothing can be done.  My heart is broken  and I have decisions 
  to make.  Please keep Mandy in your thoughts.  
   
  Love to all, Julie"I hold that, the more helpless a 
  creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of 
  man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged 
  by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi 
  (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about 
  de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
  
  
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Re: anesthesia question-atropine's interesting history!

[maimaipg]

atropine dries the mouth and other secretions.  I'm really not sure about
the painkiller part--bet against it though.
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: anesthesia question-atropine's interesting history!


> I've heard of atropine, but wasn't sure what it was for...did a quick
> Google check, but couldn't quite deciper the "medical-speak!"  :)
> Sounds like it's a kind of pain killer, though...and I found this tid-
> bit kinda interesting:
>
> "Atropine extracts from the Egyptian henbane were used by Cleopatra in
> the last century B.C. to dilate her pupils, in the hope that she would
> appear more alluring. In the Renaissance, women used the juice of the
> berries of Atropa belladonna to enlarge the pupils of their eyes, for
> cosmetic reasons; 'belladonna' is Italian for 'beautiful lady'."
>
>
> 
> "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
> unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world;
> You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine
> de Saint-Exupéry
>
> "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
> each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and
> what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --
> Chief Dan George
>
> - Original Message -
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 9:17 am
> Subject: Re: anesthesia question
>
> >
> > Yes, she did have a pain killer shot. Maybe that was it.  She got
> > atropine,
> > which is what they said dilated her eyes-- is that the pain killer
> > or
> > something else?
> > Thanks,
> > Michelle
> >
> > In a message dated 10/24/2005 10:15:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > Did they  administer any kind of pain killer?  Our Pips had a
> > slightly
> > similar  reaction after his "pain killer" injection...dilated
> > pupils,
> > and just  generally rolling around obsessively...I could tell the
> > pain
> > killer was  "good stuff"... :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: Emilio and Frito

[Lernermichelle]

Chrissy,
    I volunteered to foster 7 FeLV+ cats from a shelter. One 
got sick within two weeks, I brought him back to the shelter, and they 
euthanized him without telling me first.  Two died six months later at my 
home.  I officially adopted the other four right after that, and still have 
three of them (knock on wood!) over 3 years later.  So much for 
fostering!  I consider the two who died 6 months after I took them in to 
have been mine also, at this point.  I loved them the same.  So these 
things happen!  Saying we will not get attached does not actually seem to 
control our emotions.  After several failed "fostering" attempts like this, 
I am under a strict oath to my partner that I will not volunteer at any more 
shelters or agree to "foster" anyone else, at least for a while.  
Michelle

Emilio and Frito

[Christine Ott]

I just wanted to thank all of you for taking the time to read my story 
and for your advice and feedback. It's been a really, really tough 
week, and I know I haven't even seen the worst of this disease. My 
heart really goes out to you all, as I ready your stories. I'm dealing 
with FeLv with three cats I intended to put up for adoption, so I 
didn't allow myself to get too attached to them, and yet, my heart is 
just broken over this. Sheesh! I came from a dog family, we were not 
permitted to have cats as kids, and now here I am with a pack of them, 
and I'm amazed at their ability to creep in and grab hold of my heart! 
I'm still worried to death about the health of my own cats, but I 
certainly take comfort in knowing that this group exists; I am so 
grateful for everything that I've learned about food, vitamins, 
longevity, and the power of love, in the short time I've been reading 
the posts here.


I heard from Lynn at The Best Little Cat House in PA, and she'll take 
Emilio and Frito; I convinced my mother, who is not a cat person, to 
take the Mama cat, at least until the holidays, when we can have her 
retested. I'm hoping, but not overly optimistic, about her chances, but 
she might be a carrier, rather than a victim. I'm hoping my mom will 
finally see how wonderful cats are, and decide to keep the kitty, no 
matter what the test results are. But if not, we'll deal with the 
situation then.


Thanks again for everything.

With love to you all -
Chrissy

Re: Mandy Update, Welcome, For Hideyo

[felv]

Julie, I'm so sorry to hear that Mandy is going downhill. If it's any help to 
have a
second opinion on the matter... from what you said about her, I do think it is 
time
to let her go.

I send you all the positive energy I can muster, and I hope the decision brings 
you
peace in knowing that you have done the best you could for her, whatever you 
decide.
You have given her so much love and support through it all, and I want you to 
know
that we all know that you have done everything you could do for her. Mandy 
could not
have been blessed with a better human in her life than what you have been for 
her,
and I am sure she knows this.

You know what you need to do, please take comfort knowing that you have done
EVERYTHING you could to make Mandy as happy and comfortable for as long as 
possible
that you could!

Sincerely,

Jenn



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Re: Hard To Diagnose SymptomsPlsHelp

[Lernermichelle]

Lynne,
    I would take him to see an internist, which is a vet who 
is board-certified in internal medicine.  They are usually located at 
larger animal hospitals and places called veterinary referral centers, and 
definitely at vet school hospitals.  They often know more about 
hard-to-diagnose stuff, and more about cancer, and usually work closely with 
oncologists.  I have found them helpful in the past.
Michelle

Hard To Diagnose SymptomsPlsHelp

[Lynne Moquin]

I am craving support and helpful advice please help !!

have a number of questions different areas. 

One,
Has anyone  heard of enlarged salivary glands, in
conjunction with FLV ?
Our cat had needle aspirate samples sent to a
pathologist and he was stumped, there was no cancer
and the combo of things in it was 'bizarre' he said.
But we wouldn't know for sure without a biopsy.

Two. 
Vet is concerned with no real change in his demeanour,
eating, and his liquid stool.

symptoms
Meanwhile, the gut feels like there are enlarged lymph
nodes there.

He has had a reduction in the neck swelling with
prednisone.

I can get him to be a bit interested in lapping
liquid, and he likes water. No solid food tho.
I give him a liver shake, and his regular raw food
diet with supps like Respond, Moducare, probiotics, c,
e, sometimes nutrigest, slippery elm, colostrum.

While still on atbx for long campylobacter infection,
he tested inhouse positive for FLV. I personally
wonder if he's positive due to illness and stress of
campylobacter. It took us weeks to get the right
antbx, so he went thru that for a long time between
tests and vets without the azythromycin.

I am at a loss what to do and vet is saying we're in a
difficult situation, with contradcitory approaches; if
he has surgery to do biopsies we're conerned he'll not
be able to cope after and heal. 
This vet tho has advanced training in chinese herb
approach and treatment. 

Can anyone comment or advise any of this ??
Thanks so much
Lynne
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RE: Mandy Update, Welcome, For Hideyo

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Title: Message



Dear 
Julie
My 
heart goes out to you and Mandy---the deterioration in your dear little girl's 
condition must surely be tearing you apart. Letting go is so, so hard. Hold 
fast to the knowledge that you have always done, and will always 
do, what's best for her, however difficult it may be in the coming 
days. Mandy knows it too. She has been truly blessed. She could not 
have chosen a better home to share than Julie's; could not have had more 
love or better care than what she's enjoyed with you.  (I love the image 
of her tapping you to remind you that her petting needs come first. She is 
obviously one feisty little soul.)
I pray that however much time she has left will 
continue to be quality time. 
Much love and big hugs to you and Mandy, you know 
that we're 
all here for you, 
Kerry
 

-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Julie JohnsonSent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 
10:57 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Mandy 
Update, Welcome, For Hideyo
Dear Friends,
 
I wanted to welcome all the new folks to the list; as I'm sure you've been 
told, it's always bittersweet.  We're sorry you're dealing with FeLV, but 
you will never find a group of more wonderful, knowledgeable, compassionate 
people.  
 
For everyone dealing with sickness, I send you hugs and nothing but good 
wishes for kitties to be comfortable and make a good recovery.
 
Mandy has begun to go downhill rather suddenly.  She has lost the 
verve of her personality and is not finding any food much to her liking, except, 
and Hideyo, this may interest you for Ginger: Enfamil.  Yes, human infant 
formula.  I would not use it regularly because the vitamin/mineral ratio is 
too high in some cases for kitties, but I'm not exactly concerned with Mandy's 
longevity at this point.  She doesn't want Just Born or KMR anymore, so I 
decided to try Enfamil and she is eating as best she can and seems to like 
it.  Hideyo, it might be worth a try for Ginger to see if it will 
kick-start her appetite.  The tumor in Mandy's mouth is growing and she is 
having obvious difficulty swallowing any non-liquid.  She wants me to hold 
and stroke her (taps me when I stop) or to sit on my shoulder if I lay down, but 
she has virtually stopped purring and is beginning to hunch.   She has 
lost almost all the hair on her chest and inne! r front arms.  I see 
her now starting to act as though she feels unwell.  I have never been so 
conflicted about the decision to end life.  Both my regular vet and the 
oncologist we saw last week suggested in rather sublte ways that I need to 
consider it.  Well, duh. Obviously I need to consider it since everyone has 
agreed she is terminal.  She just seemed so herself (happy and interested) 
regardless of how she looked.  Until this weekend; it's been obvious her 
condition is worsening and I can't allow her to suffer.  I am having a 
terrible time letting go of my sweet girl; I would give anything I posess to 
save her, but nothing can be done.  My heart is broken  and I have 
decisions to make.  Please keep Mandy in your thoughts.  
 
Love to all, Julie"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, 
the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " 
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the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi 
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RE: anesthesia question-atropine's interesting history!

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

Wow.. it does sounds like a major surgery…
I am so glad to hear that Lucy is drinking and eating!  Keep us posted with her
progress.

 









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Subject: Re: anesthesia
question-atropine's interesting history!



 





I have not taken her temp, and she does
not feel overly warm. She is eating and drinking well. She has diarrhea though.





 





The surgery was to remove a very large
bladder stone which did not dissolve from the S/D diet and so is probably
oxylate ( they are having it analyzed to tell for sure). She had a struvite
stone before which did dissolve, and then I think the food I put her on to
prevent another struvite stone may have caused the oxylate stone. I am going to
try to keep her on Royal Canin S/O now, which is the only food that is supposed
to prevent both types of stones.





 





In a message dated 10/25/2005 11:19:19
A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:





Does she see have fever by any chance, do you know?

What was the surgery about?  







 

Re: anesthesia question-atropine's interesting history!

[Lernermichelle]

I have not taken her temp, and she does not feel overly warm. She is eating 
and drinking well. She has diarrhea though.
 
The surgery was to remove a very large bladder stone which did not dissolve 
from the S/D diet and so is probably oxylate ( they are having it analyzed to 
tell for sure). She had a struvite stone before which did dissolve, and then I 
think the food I put her on to prevent another struvite stone may have caused 
the oxylate stone. I am going to try to keep her on Royal Canin S/O now, which 
is the only food that is supposed to prevent both types of stones.
 
In a message dated 10/25/2005 11:19:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Does she see have 
  fever by any chance, do you know?
  What was the surgery 
  about?  

 

RE: anesthesia question-atropine's interesting history!

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

Does she see have fever by any chance, do
you know?

What was the surgery about?  

 









From:
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Subject: Re: anesthesia
question-atropine's interesting history!



 





Pretty normal, except for her eyes still
being dilated. She is sleeping a lot now. Which is understandable, since she
had major surgery yesterday and then hardly slept afterwards or during the
night due to her obsession with the invisible wall mice (amusingly, at one
point I actually heard a real mouse in the wall, but she did not seem to notice
that).  I have her locked in my office with me as I work (I work from
home) and she is sacked out on a cat bed next to a portable heater.





Thanks for asking,





Michelle





 





In a message dated 10/25/2005 10:54:33
A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:





How is Lucy today?







 

Re: anesthesia question-atropine's interesting history!

[Lernermichelle]

Pretty normal, except for her eyes still being dilated. She is sleeping a 
lot now. Which is understandable, since she had major surgery yesterday and then 
hardly slept afterwards or during the night due to her obsession with the 
invisible wall mice (amusingly, at one point I actually heard a real mouse in 
the wall, but she did not seem to notice that).  I have her locked in my 
office with me as I work (I work from home) and she is sacked out on a cat bed 
next to a portable heater.
Thanks for asking,
Michelle
 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How is Lucy 
  today?

 

RE: Mandy Update, Welcome, For Hideyo

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

Dearest, Julie,

 

I am sorry that Mandy is not feeling well…
I cry reading your message as I can certainly feel what you are going through –
I am not sure if you would like to consider talking to Mandy via AC – I know
it certainly helped me and some people on the list.. Please know that you and
your baby Many are in my prayers and thoughts all the time and am praying that
she will bounce back and take you by surprise!

 

Thank you for about Enfamil.  I will
certainly try.. I have tried KMR today but she did not want to try.. so I would
try Enfamil and goat milk as Nina suggested.

 









From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Julie Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005
9:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Mandy Update, Welcome,
For Hideyo



 



Dear Friends,





 





I wanted to welcome all the new folks to the list; as I'm sure you've
been told, it's always bittersweet.  We're sorry you're dealing with FeLV,
but you will never find a group of more wonderful, knowledgeable, compassionate
people.  





 





For everyone dealing with sickness, I send you hugs and nothing but
good wishes for kitties to be comfortable and make a good recovery.





 





Mandy has begun to go downhill rather suddenly.  She has lost the
verve of her personality and is not finding any food much to her liking,
except, and Hideyo, this may interest you for Ginger: Enfamil.  Yes, human
infant formula.  I would not use it regularly because the vitamin/mineral
ratio is too high in some cases for kitties, but I'm not exactly concerned with
Mandy's longevity at this point.  She doesn't want Just Born or KMR
anymore, so I decided to try Enfamil and she is eating as best she can and seems
to like it.  Hideyo, it might be worth a try for Ginger to see if it will
kick-start her appetite.  The tumor in Mandy's mouth is growing and she is
having obvious difficulty swallowing any non-liquid.  She wants me to hold
and stroke her (taps me when I stop) or to sit on my shoulder if I lay down,
but she has virtually stopped purring and is beginning to hunch. 
 She has lost almost all the hair on her chest and inner front
arms.  I see her now starting to act as though she feels
unwell.  I have never been so conflicted about the decision to end
life.  Both my regular vet and the oncologist we saw last week suggested
in rather sublte ways that I need to consider it.  Well, duh. Obviously I
need to consider it since everyone has agreed she is terminal.  She just
seemed so herself (happy and interested) regardless of how she looked. 
Until this weekend; it's been obvious her condition is worsening and I can't
allow her to suffer.  I am having a terrible time letting go of my sweet
girl; I would give anything I posess to save her, but nothing can be
done.  My heart is broken  and I have decisions to make.  Please
keep Mandy in your thoughts.  





 





Love to all, Julie





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to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " 

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged 
by the way its animals are treated."

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Encouragement for Julie and Mandy

[wendy]

Julie-

I am so sorry you and Mandy are going through this
right now.  My heart goes out to you both.  I told
myself that I would not allow Cricket to suffer, so
when the time comes that he is visibly suffering and
not taking any enjoyment from life, I will take him. 
I know the time will come for us as well.  As long as
Mandy wants you to hold her and stroke her, I believe
she is able to enjoy herself and feel good.  I hope
that you will somehow feel peaceful when the time
comes to make that decision and you are the only
person, and the best, who should be making that
decision.  I will pray for peace and courage for you
and Mandy.

Wendy




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RE: still confused.....why do I bother giving shots

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

I would personally try Sulphur on initial sneezing symptoms (per my
holistic vet) – it worked great for my cats .. if discharge started
turning yellow or green, and if the kitty is very affectionate one, try
Pulsattila, 

 









From:
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Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005
11:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: still
confused.why do I bother giving shots



 



ok Gloria,





what do you use for the sneezing and
congestion?

Re: Mandy Update, Welcome, For Hideyo

[Barb Moermond]

Dearest Julie,
My heart is breaking with yours as you must make the decision of "when" for Mandy's passing.  You know as well as the rest of us do how well cats hide their illness and/or pain, so when they start showing, you know it's bad.  With what I've seen with my pets and with friend's and family's pets, I would rather be a day early assisting them to the Bridge than even 5 minutes late.
Give Mandy extra loving from all of us.  Extra e-hugs on the way for you and your hubby too.
 
 wrote:

Dear Friends,
 
I wanted to welcome all the new folks to the list; as I'm sure you've been told, it's always bittersweet.  We're sorry you're dealing with FeLV, but you will never find a group of more wonderful, knowledgeable, compassionate people.  
 
For everyone dealing with sickness, I send you hugs and nothing but good wishes for kitties to be comfortable and make a good recovery.
 
Mandy has begun to go downhill rather suddenly.  She has lost the verve of her personality and is not finding any food much to her liking, except, and Hideyo, this may interest you for Ginger: Enfamil.  Yes, human infant formula.  I would not use it regularly because the vitamin/mineral ratio is too high in some cases for kitties, but I'm not exactly concerned with Mandy's longevity at this point.  She doesn't want Just Born or KMR anymore, so I decided to try Enfamil and she is eating as best she can and seems to like it.  Hideyo, it might be worth a try for Ginger to see if it will kick-start her appetite.  The tumor in Mandy's mouth is growing and she is having obvious difficulty swallowing any non-liquid.  She wants me to hold and stroke her (taps me when I stop) or to sit on my shoulder if I lay down, but she has virtually stopped purring and is beginning to hunch.   She has lost almost all the hair on her chest and inner front
 arms.  I see her now starting to act as though she feels unwell.  I have never been so conflicted about the decision to end life.  Both my regular vet and the oncologist we saw last week suggested in rather sublte ways that I need to consider it.  Well, duh. Obviously I need to consider it since everyone has agreed she is terminal.  She just seemed so herself (happy and interested) regardless of how she looked.  Until this weekend; it's been obvious her condition is worsening and I can't allow her to suffer.  I am having a terrible time letting go of my sweet girl; I would give anything I posess to save her, but nothing can be done.  My heart is broken  and I have decisions to make.  Please keep Mandy in your thoughts.  
 
Love to all, Julie"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.


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RE: Update on Cricket's vet visit

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

How is Cricket doing today?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy walker
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:14 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Update on Cricket's vet visit

First I want to thank all of you who took the time to
say the kind and encouraging words you did, and for
the thoughts and prayers.  I REALLY appreciate them
and so does Cricket.  The vet helped to alleviate some
of my fears yesterday; he did not come across as
hopeless or fatalistic, but rather helpful and calm,
which in turn encouraged me.  He gave Cricket a shot
of Winstol to help stimulate his kidneys to promote
red cell production, increase appetite, and build
muscle back.  He gave me a bottle of Baytril, which is
a broader spectrum and stronger antibiotic than the
Clavimox Cricket has been on.  It also should help
fight any hemobartranella, which is a microplasma that
could be in his blood and causing or helping increase
the anemia.  He gave me a bottle of Prednisone, which
is also good for stimulating red cell production.  He
also told me to give him 100 iu.'s of Vitamin E, 8
oz's of liquid, and said a general vitamin would be
ok.  The only thing I hesitated on was that he would
have to refer me out to put Cricket on Immuno Regulin,
and I wasn't sure that it would be good to wait to see
if he will respond to the current treatment or get him
on the IR right now.  So I am ok for now; hopeful. 
Cricket is not happy with me as everytime he sees me,
it seems I am sticking something down his throat.  He
did not tear up the vet though, which is a good thing.
 I hope to be reporting good news to this group in the
next couple of days.  God bless all of you and your
little furballs of joy.





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Mandy Update, Welcome, For Hideyo

[Julie Johnson]

Dear Friends,
 
I wanted to welcome all the new folks to the list; as I'm sure you've been told, it's always bittersweet.  We're sorry you're dealing with FeLV, but you will never find a group of more wonderful, knowledgeable, compassionate people.  
 
For everyone dealing with sickness, I send you hugs and nothing but good wishes for kitties to be comfortable and make a good recovery.
 
Mandy has begun to go downhill rather suddenly.  She has lost the verve of her personality and is not finding any food much to her liking, except, and Hideyo, this may interest you for Ginger: Enfamil.  Yes, human infant formula.  I would not use it regularly because the vitamin/mineral ratio is too high in some cases for kitties, but I'm not exactly concerned with Mandy's longevity at this point.  She doesn't want Just Born or KMR anymore, so I decided to try Enfamil and she is eating as best she can and seems to like it.  Hideyo, it might be worth a try for Ginger to see if it will kick-start her appetite.  The tumor in Mandy's mouth is growing and she is having obvious difficulty swallowing any non-liquid.  She wants me to hold and stroke her (taps me when I stop) or to sit on my shoulder if I lay down, but she has virtually stopped purring and is beginning to hunch.   She has lost almost all the hair on her chest and inner front
 arms.  I see her now starting to act as though she feels unwell.  I have never been so conflicted about the decision to end life.  Both my regular vet and the oncologist we saw last week suggested in rather sublte ways that I need to consider it.  Well, duh. Obviously I need to consider it since everyone has agreed she is terminal.  She just seemed so herself (happy and interested) regardless of how she looked.  Until this weekend; it's been obvious her condition is worsening and I can't allow her to suffer.  I am having a terrible time letting go of my sweet girl; I would give anything I posess to save her, but nothing can be done.  My heart is broken  and I have decisions to make.  Please keep Mandy in your thoughts.  
 
Love to all, Julie"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
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RE: Ginger

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

Thank you for asking.. no she is not eating on her own yet.. she sniffs
the food, does not want to eat...but she does not act like she is
feeling sick either - I am thinking that she is lonely and depressed...
I cried when I was with her this morning because I am not spending as
much as time she would like me to.. and I know how fragile FeLV kitties'
life can beshe is just so sweet and so good to me.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Ginger

Hideyo,

Is your kitty eating today?

Wendy





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RE: anesthesia question-atropine's interesting history!

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

How is Lucy today?

 









From:
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Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005
8:53 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: anesthesia
question-atropine's interesting history!



 





Very interesting! Well, that explains her
eyes dilating!





Michelle





 





In a message dated 10/25/2005 9:39:51
A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:





I've heard of atropine, but wasn't sure
what it was for...did a quick 
Google check, but couldn't quite deciper the "medical-speak!" 
:)  
Sounds like it's a kind of pain killer, though...and I found this tid-
bit kinda interesting:

"Atropine extracts from the Egyptian henbane were used by Cleopatra in 
the last century B.C. to dilate her pupils, in the hope that she would 
appear more alluring. In the Renaissance, women used the juice of the 
berries of Atropa belladonna to enlarge the pupils of their eyes, for 
cosmetic reasons; 'belladonna' is Italian for 'beautiful lady'."







 

Re: Emilio and Frito

[wendy]

Chrissy-

Blessings to you for helping these animals in need
out.  I often chastise myself because many times it
seems I am more compassionate for these cats than I am
for my own human race.  But the love is there, and the
only thing we can do to feel right is go with it,
which is what you have been doing.  I understand about
the acquisition of cats.  They are social animals.  I
started out with two, and then along came a stray, who
I found a home for, but not before she had a litter. 
I found homes for two of her kittens, but the third,
Cricket, I couldn't.  Fell in love with him and that
made three.  Then my parents moved to Florida and left
their 3 cats with me until they found a home.  Well
they found a home all right, but the HO doesn't allow
animals outside the home, and my mom is allergic.  So
now I'm up to six.  The day my husband and I moved
into our home, a seventh stray showed up.  Then my
sister decided to get a divorce and not take care of
her son or their 3 cats, so now I have ten cats and a
ten year old.  LOL.  The city has a limit of three, so
I pray that none of our neighbors find that out.  Four
live inside and the rest outside, and the neighbors
have been wonderful about the cats it seems.  Although
I am sure we are known as the cat people.  My husband
isn't too happy about it, but what can I do?  My goal
is to become debt free and buy some land and get a
barn like one of the other ladies on this site so I
have a place for these cats to go.  In the meantime...

I wouldn't be able to euthanize Emilio and Frito
either, so don't feel bad.  There is an organization
called Best Friends.  www.bestfriends.org. They are
located in Utah, but they have a lot of sister
organizations all over the country that they partner
with.  I support them financially because I believe in
what they are doing.  Once I called them because my
ailing grandmother was feeding all these cats and they
kept multiplying because they were feral and she
couldn't catch them to have them fixed.  BF called an
organization in Greensboro, N.C., where my grandma
lives and they came out and caught all the cats, fixed
them, and brought them back.  There were probably 8
cats.  BF is awesome.  The main thing they are known
for is their sanctuary in Utah, which takes care of
hundreds of animals that are "unadoptable".  People
take their vacations there to volunteer.  It's really
neat.  Anyway, maybe they can help you.  And maybe you
will have luck with the Best Little Cat House in the
next month or so.  Also, there are some people who
take in only FeLV cats, so maybe an ad in the
newspaper asking for help???

>From what I have studied about FeLV, and from what my
vet gave me to read, the transmission of FeLV is
either through bite wounds, birth, close casual
contact (grooming), and shared dishes or litter pans. 
So hopefully, play fighting through a door won't
qualify, but you can't be too sure.  Probably the
reason your vet hasn't been too reassuring or the
info. you get is contradictory is that the vet
professionals and researchers still don't know much
about FeLV.  They are at a loss as well, although
strides have been made in the past ten years in
medical research and is ongoing.  

There may come a time when you may have make the
decision to stop feeding any strays that come along,
and they will move on to the next house they think
they may be able to get food from.  I know that sounds
horrible, but at some point, you may have to draw the
line, whether it be 5 cats, 10, or 20.  If you don't,
you might end up on TV like these people who have 50
cats in their small apartment and the health
department and animal control are busting their door
down.  ;P

Have a great day Chrissy, and take care-
God Bless You for your efforts-
Wendy





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Re: anesthesia question-atropine's interesting history!

[Lernermichelle]

Very interesting! Well, that explains her eyes dilating!
Michelle
 
In a message dated 10/25/2005 9:39:51 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I've 
  heard of atropine, but wasn't sure what it was for...did a quick Google 
  check, but couldn't quite deciper the "medical-speak!"  :)  
  Sounds like it's a kind of pain killer, though...and I found this 
  tid-bit kinda interesting:"Atropine extracts from the Egyptian 
  henbane were used by Cleopatra in the last century B.C. to dilate her 
  pupils, in the hope that she would appear more alluring. In the 
  Renaissance, women used the juice of the berries of Atropa belladonna to 
  enlarge the pupils of their eyes, for cosmetic reasons; 'belladonna' is 
  Italian for 'beautiful lady'."

 

Re: anesthesia question-atropine's interesting history!

[jenmeyer]

I've heard of atropine, but wasn't sure what it was for...did a quick 
Google check, but couldn't quite deciper the "medical-speak!"  :)  
Sounds like it's a kind of pain killer, though...and I found this tid-
bit kinda interesting:

"Atropine extracts from the Egyptian henbane were used by Cleopatra in 
the last century B.C. to dilate her pupils, in the hope that she would 
appear more alluring. In the Renaissance, women used the juice of the 
berries of Atropa belladonna to enlarge the pupils of their eyes, for 
cosmetic reasons; 'belladonna' is Italian for 'beautiful lady'."



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unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; 
You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine 
de Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know 
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and 
what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --
Chief Dan George

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 9:17 am
Subject: Re: anesthesia question

> 
> Yes, she did have a pain killer shot. Maybe that was it.  She got  
> atropine, 
> which is what they said dilated her eyes-- is that the pain killer 
> or  
> something else?
> Thanks,
> Michelle
> 
> In a message dated 10/24/2005 10:15:58 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Did they  administer any kind of pain killer?  Our Pips had a 
> slightly 
> similar  reaction after his "pain killer" injection...dilated 
> pupils, 
> and just  generally rolling around obsessively...I could tell the 
> pain 
> killer was  "good stuff"... :)
> 
> 
> 
>

Ginger

[wendy]

Hideyo,

Is your kitty eating today?

Wendy





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Re: anesthesia question

[Lernermichelle]

Thanks. They used ISO gas. I think it might have been the painkiller 
shot.
Michelle
 
In a message dated 10/24/2005 10:15:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Michelle – did you 
  find out what they used as anesthesia?  They must have not used ISO 
  gas.  They might have used kedamin or the other kind (now can’t remember 
  the name!) – they are injectable and will cause the very symptoms you 
  described, if especially if they overdose it (it’s very sensitive to the 
  weight and can’t over dose it) … it happened to my feral, Oliver. and his head 
  were shaking and couldn’t’ t get up for almost 24 hours and it was not 
  normal.  My vet freaked out, too.. keep an close an eye on her.. it 
  should go away.. but obviously, if it does not, over night – you need to call 
  them right away tomorrow – Just as a tip, when they do a surgery in the 
  future, make sure to use “ISO” which considered to be least risk of all, and 
  ask them to  never  use indictable (whether it’s anesthesia or any 
  pain killer medication)  - please keep us posted with her 
  progress.
   

 

Re: anesthesia question

[wendy walker]

Hi Michelle-

When I took two of my cats to be spayed about nine
years ago, I took them to a lot cost clinic.  One of
the reasons it was low cost is because they don't keep
the animals overnight after their surgery.  I took
them home and they were wide-eyed, pupils dilated, and
walking around the room looking pretty crazy.  It
scared me to death.  I am sure it was from the
anesthesia.  But in a few hours, they were ok, so your
baby should be fine.  Don't worry.  Probably by the
time you read this, they'll be back to normal!  

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Lucy had her surgery at about 12:30 today and came
> home at 2.  Since that 
> time (4 hours now), she has been wandering around in
> the room I have her shut in, 
> staring eagerly at the walls and behind the
> furniture in a hyper-alert state, 
> as if the walls were teeming with mice.  She will
> let me pet her for a second 
> or two but then resumes her wall hunting. I called
> the vet a few hours ago 
> and they said the anesthesia is probably making her
> delirious, and that it could 
> last a few hours. I just tried calling them again
> but they are closed for the 
> night. Her eyes are also very dilated.  Has anyone
> ever seen this kind of 
> reaction to anesthesia? I have seen many animals
> undergo surgery and have never 
> witnessed something like this. She does not seem to
> be in distress 
> particularly... if her eyes were  not dilated and
> she had not just had surgery, and if the 
> other cats were not ignoring her behavior, I might
> think she was eagerly 
> listening to mice or something.  But she seems
> totally insane.  Any info you can 
> provide on this would be helpful. I will do some
> internet research too.
> 
> They had said she could drink at 4 and then eat, but
> I have been afraid to 
> feed her while she looks so strange.
> 
> Thanks,
> Michelle
> 





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Re: anesthesia question

[Lernermichelle]

Yes, she did have a pain killer shot. Maybe that was it.  She got 
atropine, which is what they said dilated her eyes-- is that the pain killer or 
something else?
Thanks,
Michelle
 
In a message dated 10/24/2005 10:15:58 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Did they 
  administer any kind of pain killer?  Our Pips had a slightly similar 
  reaction after his "pain killer" injection...dilated pupils, and just 
  generally rolling around obsessively...I could tell the pain killer was 
  "good stuff"... :)

 

Re: anesthesia question

[Lernermichelle]

No, she's acting pretty normal now. Her eyes are still dilated, but 
hopefully they will go back to normal soon. She can see fine. She's eating, 
drinking, and wants to know what the big deal is when she tries to jump up on 
things and I grab her and lift her. If you ask her, she's just fine.
Thanks,
Michelle
 
In a message dated 10/25/2005 12:57:04 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What's 
  going on with Lucy?  Is she still acting weird?

 

Update on Cricket's vet visit

[wendy walker]

First I want to thank all of you who took the time to
say the kind and encouraging words you did, and for
the thoughts and prayers.  I REALLY appreciate them
and so does Cricket.  The vet helped to alleviate some
of my fears yesterday; he did not come across as
hopeless or fatalistic, but rather helpful and calm,
which in turn encouraged me.  He gave Cricket a shot
of Winstol to help stimulate his kidneys to promote
red cell production, increase appetite, and build
muscle back.  He gave me a bottle of Baytril, which is
a broader spectrum and stronger antibiotic than the
Clavimox Cricket has been on.  It also should help
fight any hemobartranella, which is a microplasma that
could be in his blood and causing or helping increase
the anemia.  He gave me a bottle of Prednisone, which
is also good for stimulating red cell production.  He
also told me to give him 100 iu.'s of Vitamin E, 8
oz's of liquid, and said a general vitamin would be
ok.  The only thing I hesitated on was that he would
have to refer me out to put Cricket on Immuno Regulin,
and I wasn't sure that it would be good to wait to see
if he will respond to the current treatment or get him
on the IR right now.  So I am ok for now; hopeful. 
Cricket is not happy with me as everytime he sees me,
it seems I am sticking something down his throat.  He
did not tear up the vet though, which is a good thing.
 I hope to be reporting good news to this group in the
next couple of days.  God bless all of you and your
little furballs of joy.





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Update on Cricket is sick; I need some encouragement

[wendy walker]

--- "MacKenzie, Kerry N."
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dear Wendy
> Welcome, though I'm so sorry for the reason you've
> had to find us. You
> have come to the right place--you won't find a
> kinder, more
> informed/supportive bunch of people anywhere--it's
> been a godsend to me.
> I have not personally used IR or VO but I am sure
> you will hear from
> those of us who have. 
> I'm sending zillions of healing vibes for your
> Cricket, and praying your
> vet visit goes well this afternoon. It's clear from
> everything you say
> that Cricket couldn't wish for a more caring, loving
> mom.
> hugs to you and your furball, Kerry
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of wendy walker
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 3:16 PM
> To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: My baby Cricket is sick; I need some
> encouragement
> 
> 
> Hi my name is Wendy.  I live in Texas.  I have a
> black
> cat named Cricket; he's 4 yrs., 5 mo's. old and a
> great cat.  He absolutely hates the vet, so the last
> time I took him was about two years ago when he got
> really sick.  They told me they couldn't tell his
> actual temperature because it was all the way to the
> end of the thermometer.  It took virtually the whole
> staff to give him an injection of antibiotics and
> take
> his blood, after they broke two needles off in his
> back.  The vet said that he tested positive for
> FeLV. 
> When I figured out that the vet hadn't given him any
> fluids intraveneously for 18 hours after I had asked
> him to (Cricket wasn't eating or drinking on his
> own),
> I took him home and with the help of antibiotics and
> syringe-feeding and a lot of love, he made it back
> to
> life.  The vet told me he'd never seen a cat that
> sick
> come back.  He's been fine for two years.  At the
> end
> of September, we had a houseful of family during
> Hurricane Rita and shortly after that, I noticed
> that
> Cricket wasn't quite making it when he jumped onto
> the
> cabinets to drink water out of the sink.  He started
> eating kitty litter and wasn't eating as much.  He
> began to walk slowly and when he came up to me and
> meowed (he never meows), I knew something was wrong.
> 
> The (new) vet prescribed Clavamox without seeing
> Cricket because of his stressful history when
> visiting
> the vet.  After two days on the medicine, he seemed
> to
> be doing better, but a couple of days later, I
> noticed
> how white his mouth was and started doing some
> research.  Well, as many of you already know because
> you've done this drill, things are looking grim for
> Cricket.  We have an appointment at the vet in a
> couple of hours and it's all I can do to stay at
> work.
>  I know whatever ends up happening is going to
> happen,
> but I can't help but keep thinking and worrying
> about
> him.  I am normally pretty logical and level-headed,
> but I cried all day yesterday after reading all the
> negative information about anemia and FeLV.  I do
> have
> some hope however.  I am hoping the vet will know
> about Immuno-Regulin or even better, Virbagen Omega,
> which is a Feline Omega Interferon.  Both are
> supposed
> to help immensely with boosting the immune system. 
> I
> really don't know how the vet is going to be able to
> take Cricket's blood to find out what the numbers
> are
> so we can treat him for the anemia; Cricket gets so
> crazy.  He may end up being his own worst enemy.  I
> just wanted to ask if anyone has had any success
> with
> their cats taking these drugs?  Also, if anyone
> reading this will pray for Cricket and that the vet
> will be a good one and that we can get Cricket back
> to
> normal for as long as we can.  I promised that I
> would
> not allow Cricket to suffer for selfish reasons, but
> I
> don't want to end his life prematurely either.  Pray
> for wisdom for the vet and for me.  And thank you
> all
> so much.  I was relieved to find this site.
> 
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Re: Emilio and Frito & Our FeLV Story

[Belinda Sauro]

    Hi Chrissy,
  Welcome, though I am sorry for the circumstances, the kitties sure
are lucky to find you though!  I have 6 cats, Bailey is my positive, he
eats,, sleeps, plays, grooms and occasionally squabbles with all of his
sibs, though he is closest to Joey.  All of my other guys are tested
and vaccinated against FeLV every year.  I found Bailey at age 5 months
when we lived in Missouri, he tested psoitive then.  3 vets told me to
euthanize him, that he wouldn't live three months and would infect all
of my other cats.  Thankfully I had experience with FeLV and knew that
was absolutely not true.

Today Bailey is 10 years old and has not had any health problems until
this last year.  He had mouth problems really bad and even with
everything we tried we ended having to pull most of his teeth with
pretty much resolved the problem for him.  He does also have arthritis
now and is taking medication for that.  But since I got him on raw food
(another thing I've heard is to NEVER feed an immune compromised cat
raw, I can attest in our case it has worked out very well, this is not
store bought but made by myself so I know exactly what is in their
food) which he absolutely loves by the way, and has really thrived on. 
He has gained back the weight he lost while his teeth were bothering
him plus about a pound and a half.  He is slightly pudgy now which is
fine with me.

I personally choose to mix my guys because I firmly believe a healthy,
vaccinated adult cat has almost a zero chance of getting infected by a
positive even with prolonged contact and in my experience this has
proven to be the case for over 10 years.  I also believe as my vet says
that the virus only lives seconds outside of the host.  I know for a
fact Joey and Bailey have actually touched tongues while grooming and
that is why I have had Joey PCR tested (tests the DNA), and he is
negative, he would be the most likely to get it.  I also believe that a
healthy adult cat, if they were to get the virus from a positive would
most certainly be able to fight it off with their own immune system.

I can only speak from my 13 years worth of experience and that is what
I base my beliefs on, that and knowing other people in similar
circumstances.

--  Our Story 
 

I became aqquainted with FeLV in 1992, I had my Frankie tested because
every single year he would get a URI in December, my vet was constantly
asking me if they could test him and I constantly declined, he was
indoor after all how could he get it??  Well finally in 1992 I told her
to go ahead and test, he was really sick and she recommended I
euthanize him, in my eyes he had a cold, you don't euthanize because
your cat has a URI, and to my absolute disbelief he tested positive.

I took in my other 4 cats and 3 of them also tested positive, my Buddie
was negative and none of them were vaccinated because they were all
indoor and I didn't think they needed to be vaccinated for that (they
were vaccinated for everything else).  They had all been around each
other from kittenhood, and I believe in my heart that Frankie was born
with it as he was sickly all his life.

In October of 93 I lost my Skeeter to lymphoma at the age of 7 years,
in March of 94, I lost my Mikie to kidney cancer at the age of 5 years,
and in January of 95, I lost my dear Frankie to anemia at the age of 9
years.  Teenye turned negative and was for the rest of her life, she
died of a rare cancer at the age of 16 year in 2000.  And I just lost
my Buddie who was negative all her life to liver cancer in July 2004
att he age of 13 years old.
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Re: Question about IFA Test Results

[Sheila Coyle]

I think maybe I 
should clarify thisI have had Simba for 8-9 years from when he was a kitten 
and got him from a farm. He was never tested for 
leukemia til last summer, and came up with a very very faint positive, and then, 
the IFA done in Anteck, New York, came back negative, and then, in late August, 
the snap test was run again, and it was a very very faint 
positive.    He has always been as healthy as a horse, and weighs 
16 pounds. This whole thing has me puzzled.   
Thanks.  Sheila and Simba
 
~~

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sheila Coyle 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 4:49 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Question about IFA Test 
  Results
  
  I would be 
  interested in any response to this as well, as the same thing is true with my 
  Simba, age 8-9 years.   Thank you.
   
  Sheila 
  
  Nebraska
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
  
   
  ~~~
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Chris 
Behnke 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:38 
PM
Subject: Question about IFA Test 
Results

Here's the whole story.  When Monty was 8 
months old, he became very sick.  When I took him to the vets, he was 
diagnosed as FeLV+.  At the time, the vet didn't think he would make 
it.  Now, a year later Monty is very healty.  He has never been 
sick since his diagnosis and has not shown any signs.  Because of this, 
we had him tested again.  The ELISA test came back with a very faint 
positive but the IFA test was negative.  What exactly does this 
mean?
 
Thanks,
Chris 
Behnke

Re: Question about IFA Test Results

[Sheila Coyle]

I would be 
interested in any response to this as well, as the same thing is true with my 
Simba, age 8-9 years.   Thank you.
 
Sheila 

Nebraska
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

 
~~~

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Chris 
  Behnke 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:38 
  PM
  Subject: Question about IFA Test 
  Results
  
  Here's the whole story.  When Monty was 8 
  months old, he became very sick.  When I took him to the vets, he was 
  diagnosed as FeLV+.  At the time, the vet didn't think he would make 
  it.  Now, a year later Monty is very healty.  He has never been sick 
  since his diagnosis and has not shown any signs.  Because of this, we had 
  him tested again.  The ELISA test came back with a very faint positive 
  but the IFA test was negative.  What exactly does this mean?
   
  Thanks,
  Chris 
Behnke