Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
We do the WalMart "Special Kitty brand in the big green box too. Scoop (at least) twice a day, add new litter as needed during the week, then dump, bleach-clean, and refill on the weekends. Six litter boxes, not counting the mini-box in the condo with two feral kittens in the process of socialization, 30 or so cats and kittens. Always washing throw rugs so there is something clean in front of the boxes. Always with the paper, magazines and catalogs, or cardboard beneath the boxes. Whisk brooms and dustpans and containers of Chlorox bleach sheets near all the boxes for quick cleanups during the week. (That's another huge expense -- Chlorox bleach sheets. Wish I could find a cheaper substitute but, with a full time job and a long commute, I need labor-saving devices. I dont have time to haul out a mop bucket and wash rags every day.)kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 08:09 PM 9/2/2006, you wrote:That is sad. Sammy was outside for 4 years,,,But he turned out to be a real old pussy cat sometimes, but he is very possessive of me,,,This is a first, If I am out in the cat park and he comes out he makes sure no other cat get within 5 feet of me,,,He is not a vicious fighter though,,and has joined my group just fine,,,Are you part of the FIV network,, I thought so Pat has a mean FIV cat that she has had to give his own room to also,Is there a garage he could winter in???Euthanizing healthy cats is so ugly to all of us saving them..The litter, I have so many cats the whole thing is refilled each week with new litter,,I could not go a month, I just scoop until it about gone ,,toss wash and start overand over and over, I use the one from Costco or Wallmart,,but I have 40 cats,,,Kellywww.kellyscats.zoomshare.com/ Oh yeah, I see what you're saying. So you never do a full box change with the scoopable you use? Wow, that's amazing, I always had to change the entire box at least once a month, as the clumps would break up over time, and the bits would be too small to scoop, so it would begin to reek after a month. You must be using a brand I had never tried. Yeah, you're right about the FIV and FELV contagions risks. FELV is more apt to be transmitted than FIV if all the cats are friendly to each other. I wouldn't think twice of mixing a FIV in with negatives, if the FIV cat was friendly and there wasn't any risk of him attacking anyone. Unfortunately, for me, I have an FIV+ cat here now that is stuck outside (and I don't believe in outdoor cats, other than ferals, but I have no options), because he is VICIOUS to other cats. He's a horrible beast, really. Sweet as a kitten to humans, dogs, and kids, but HATES other cats with a passion. So in cases like that, I wouldn't mix, so he has to live outside. I've been trying to find him a home with no other cats for months and months, but no takers so far. All the dog people don't want a cat, and all the people that might want to adopt a cat already have at least one, so he can't go there. Really discouraging for me, because I have ferals that wont come home most of the time because he attacks them. It's getting colder now, and they NEED to be able to come get in their insulated shelter, so Zack is a huge concern for me right now. I really hate to euthanize this cat, but it may come to that soon.Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster & Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need!No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
At 08:09 PM 9/2/2006, you wrote: That is sad. Sammy was outside for 4 years,,,But he turned out to be a real old pussy cat sometimes, but he is very possessive of me,,,This is a first, If I am out in the cat park and he comes out he makes sure no other cat get within 5 feet of me,,,He is not a vicious fighter though,,and has joined my group just fine,,, Are you part of the FIV network,, I thought so Pat has a mean FIV cat that she has had to give his own room to also,Is there a garage he could winter in??? Euthanizing healthy cats is so ugly to all of us saving them.. The litter, I have so many cats the whole thing is refilled each week with new litter,,I could not go a month, I just scoop until it about gone ,,toss wash and start overand over and over, I use the one from Costco or Wallmart,,but I have 40 cats,,, Kelly www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com/ Oh yeah, I see what you're saying. So you never do a full box change with the scoopable you use? Wow, that's amazing, I always had to change the entire box at least once a month, as the clumps would break up over time, and the bits would be too small to scoop, so it would begin to reek after a month. You must be using a brand I had never tried. Yeah, you're right about the FIV and FELV contagions risks. FELV is more apt to be transmitted than FIV if all the cats are friendly to each other. I wouldn't think twice of mixing a FIV in with negatives, if the FIV cat was friendly and there wasn't any risk of him attacking anyone. Unfortunately, for me, I have an FIV+ cat here now that is stuck outside (and I don't believe in outdoor cats, other than ferals, but I have no options), because he is VICIOUS to other cats. He's a horrible beast, really. Sweet as a kitten to humans, dogs, and kids, but HATES other cats with a passion. So in cases like that, I wouldn't mix, so he has to live outside. I've been trying to find him a home with no other cats for months and months, but no takers so far. All the dog people don't want a cat, and all the people that might want to adopt a cat already have at least one, so he can't go there. Really discouraging for me, because I have ferals that wont come home most of the time because he attacks them. It's getting colder now, and they NEED to be able to come get in their insulated shelter, so Zack is a huge concern for me right now. I really hate to euthanize this cat, but it may come to that soon. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program: http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster & Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more! It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
Oh yeah, I see what you're saying. So you never do a full box change with the scoopable you use? Wow, that's amazing, I always had to change the entire box at least once a month, as the clumps would break up over time, and the bits would be too small to scoop, so it would begin to reek after a month. You must be using a brand I had never tried. Yeah, you're right about the FIV and FELV contagions risks. FELV is more apt to be transmitted than FIV if all the cats are friendly to each other. I wouldn't think twice of mixing a FIV in with negatives, if the FIV cat was friendly and there wasn't any risk of him attacking anyone. Unfortunately, for me, I have an FIV+ cat here now that is stuck outside (and I don't believe in outdoor cats, other than ferals, but I have no options), because he is VICIOUS to other cats. He's a horrible beast, really. Sweet as a kitten to humans, dogs, and kids, but HATES other cats with a passion. So in cases like that, I wouldn't mix, so he has to live outside. I've been trying to find him a home with no other cats for months and months, but no takers so far. All the dog people don't want a cat, and all the people that might want to adopt a cat already have at least one, so he can't go there. Really discouraging for me, because I have ferals that wont come home most of the time because he attacks them. It's getting colder now, and they NEED to be able to come get in their insulated shelter, so Zack is a huge concern for me right now. I really hate to euthanize this cat, but it may come to that soon. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster & Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
At 07:38 PM 9/2/2006, you wrote: But with the scoopable I dispose of less each day. that is the weight difference for me. Believe me, I have tried so many different kinds, Oh by the way most of us do Mix our FIV neg cats and positive cats as there has never been a documented case of transmission in a friendly cat household, We all strive for friendly cat house holds and it is that mutual grooming and friendliness that can transmit FELV, FELV is still very hard to catch, I had a positive cat living among my 18 negative cat for years and no one converted to positive, I mix my FIV pos and neg but not my FELV Regarding the Pro Pac kitten,,I am not a nutritional expert,,just pragmatic but it was recommended to me by a veteranian Homeopathic who gets beyond just the protein,, but the types,,, It has worked great for me and my problems...but I still can't afford to use it alone, I will not plagiarize her work but if you are curious go spend a bit of time on [EMAIL PROTECTED] and discuss nutrition, But then 10 different people have 10 different opinions don't they. Kelly The cedarific weighs about 1/2 what the same amount of any clumping litter weighs, and about 1/4 of what any clay (clumping or not) litter weighs. So if you're trying to go for less weight, the cedarific would work better for you... unless you flush your scoopable, you wouldn't want to flush much cedar, I shouldn't think. For example, I could only put one box full of the old scoopable stuff in a plastic garbage bag, or it would weigh too much, and burst the bag. With the cedar litter, I can put all four boxes of waste litter into one bag, and still pick it up with one hand, and it doesn't burst the bag. On the rare incidents a bag has burst (or been torn into by the wildlife) outside, the clay scoopable was a disaster to clean up (it left clay "slicks" when it rained on the spilled area), where the cedar I just raked into the grass. It also comes in smaller bags, you don't have to buy a whole bale just to try it. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program: http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster & Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more! It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
The cedarific weighs about 1/2 what the same amount of any clumping litter weighs, and about 1/4 of what any clay (clumping or not) litter weighs. So if you're trying to go for less weight, the cedarific would work better for you... unless you flush your scoopable, you wouldn't want to flush much cedar, I shouldn't think. For example, I could only put one box full of the old scoopable stuff in a plastic garbage bag, or it would weigh too much, and burst the bag. With the cedar litter, I can put all four boxes of waste litter into one bag, and still pick it up with one hand, and it doesn't burst the bag. On the rare incidents a bag has burst (or been torn into by the wildlife) outside, the clay scoopable was a disaster to clean up (it left clay "slicks" when it rained on the spilled area), where the cedar I just raked into the grass. It also comes in smaller bags, you don't have to buy a whole bale just to try it. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster & Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
At 06:52 PM 9/2/2006, you wrote: my problem with litter is dumping it. We are limited to weight and the non clumping litters sure fills things up...luckily mine have the choice of litter or dirt and grass so I only go through aboyt 60 lbs a week ,,,I go through about 80 lbs of just dry food food a week also,,if not more.. Kelly I've saved a ton of money by switching to a non-clumping litter called cedarific. I buy a huge bale of it for $17, and it fills our 4 catboxes 3 or more times. The only down side? You have to change it more often, every 4-7 days, depending on the weather (heat and humidity effects how fast the ammonia builds up in the wet litter). it's still less than half the cost though, all told. And the cats prefer it. I know some people say pine and cedar based litters can be dangerous because of the fumes (I forget the technical term), but I have uncovered pans in addition to covered ones, and so far, no respiratory distress of any kind. They do prefer the uncovered pans though. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program: http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster & Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more! It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
I've saved a ton of money by switching to a non-clumping litter called cedarific. I buy a huge bale of it for $17, and it fills our 4 catboxes 3 or more times. The only down side? You have to change it more often, every 4-7 days, depending on the weather (heat and humidity effects how fast the ammonia builds up in the wet litter). it's still less than half the cost though, all told. And the cats prefer it. I know some people say pine and cedar based litters can be dangerous because of the fumes (I forget the technical term), but I have uncovered pans in addition to covered ones, and so far, no respiratory distress of any kind. They do prefer the uncovered pans though. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster & Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
I wish I could afford to do that. I go through more than 30 pounds of dry food a week, 28 pounds of scoopable litter a day, and whenever I see Friskies canned food on sale for 4/$1 I dance all the way to the grocery. And, of course, we must have large quantities of catnip. Daffy, my 18 year old, has earned her daily bowls of cream. I must have canned condensed goats milk and Pedialyte in stock for underweight kittens. Little Sister likes her Marie Callendar rice, broccoli, chicken and cheese casseroles and a little carrot cake for dessert. (Yes, I'm serious. And she deserves it every once in awhile.)Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tell 'em your willing to take it all off their hands for a further discount!Susan Hoffman wrote:> A grocery outlet store near me has 4-POUND cans of salmon on sale > right now for $3.99 a can. Around here, that's one meal. I will be > so unhappy when they sell out their stock on this item.>> */kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:>> At 12:08 PM 9/2/2006, you wrote:>>> Glad to hear this. I am also a member of Catwell,, the homeopathic> group sort of, They recommend Pro Pac (not pro plan) kitten dry for> all the cats. it is a good food,,hard to find and not outrageously> pricey but up there. I mix it with the KirklandI feed canned> about once a week,,I have special need cats with special diets,,My> IBD my FIV my CRF etc,,,> Most of us are paying this out of our own pockets, plus the expensive> vet bills,,> We do the very best we can to care for those that now one else> bothered with.> Too bad we can form a cat food C0 OP and get cheaper prices,,and> least in Geographical areas,> Kelly Lane> www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com/>> >I thought it was about time to change the subject line. I hear you> >about the cost of canned food and quality dry. There's no way I> >could do it at my house for everyone either. I feed quality dry> >inside and the best inexpensive cat food I can afford to the ferals> >outside, (I use the Costco brand). Gypsy is the only one getting> >the turkey mush at my house, except for the occasional treat to some> >of the others that really like it. I use every part of the turkey I> >can, (it helps assuage my guilt a little bit). We even boil the> >carcass for broth to add to the dog's food. I'm lucky that Gypsy> >really likes her mush and as long as it's available to her, she> >leaves the dry alone.> >> >Kelley Saveika wrote:> >> >>As far as food, yes, most of them are on dry. I don't like it, but> >>I feed about 80 pounds of dry per month, and I absolutely can't> >>afford to feed them all canned. I did the math when I put Missy on> >>Evo and it would be $600 per month to put them all on Evo, which is> >>really what I would like to do.> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >--> >No virus found in this incoming message.> >Checked by AVG Free Edition.> >Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date:> 9/1/2006>>>
Re: my baby crackers
Well, first off, find a vet that isn't so uneducated. The in house ELISA test has a very high rates of inaccurate results. Next, take another look at the food you are feeding, read the ingredients, it should have meat as the first ingredient, preferably the first two ingredients, and there should be NO corn in it at all. Good nutrition is the best thing you can do. Next, once you find a better vet, make sure they run a second IFA, because if your first vet did such a poor job running the ELISA, he could have messed up the sample being sent off for the IFA you had done through his office (good bedside manner dictates that you DON'T say "Oh it looks like he might be ok" TWO minutes before the test is complete, just to say "Oh, nevermind, he's infected" That's HORRIBLE bedside manner, it's just terrible)! Then, wait 3 months, and retest again. In the meantime, read about all the possible treatments on our main website, and consider trying one, or more, of them, in a hope that he can "throw" the virus. That does happen, cats can test positive, and then later become negative, if they mount an effective immune response to the initial infection. You also might consider a vitamin C supplement, to boost his immune system, and a good multi-vitamin supplement in general. Now, about your not testing prior to adding another cat, well, mistakes happen, All you can do is learn from it, and try to do better next time. Don't blame yourself for things you didn't know, and can't change now, that's pointless, and doesn't help anyone. Besides, FELV is not like FIV, it's not as contagious, it depends really very much on a cat's immune system, unlike FIV, which is almost always spread by a bite wound. Was Crackers ever tested in the past, before you adopted Pokemon? He might have had it all along. You didn't specifically say he tested positive for FELV, you said they did a combo test and he came up positive (and the doctor only knew that by looking in a book?), so I assume since this is a FELV group, he has felv, but does he have FIV too? I worry also, because if the vet had to look up how to read a combo test in a book, how many of these tests has he actually run? How OLD is the batch of test kits he is using? Has he been using the same pack of kits for the past 5 years? Are they expired? How could he possibly know ANYTHING about FELV if he doesn't even know HOW to run the test without reading the book? Scary, all put together. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster & Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: Angel has gone to the bridge
Karen, I'm so behind on my email. I think I wrote you about Angel, but in case I didn't I wanted to send my condolences. tonyakandbz_ mom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Thanks everyone for keeping us in your thoughts and prayers. Angel died peacefully at home. I had a feeling she didn't want to be taken to the vet to be put down. I am just so heartbroken as I had only had her for less than two months and she was only 5 months old. She seemed to be doing so good and then over the weekend, took a turn for the worse. Thanks again for all the support. I greatly appreciate it. Karen Do you Yahoo!?Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.
Re: Bad news about Spencer
Thanks Tonya. He is feeling better than he was, still not back to his old self though, still not eating like he should. I have one more shot of VO in his first series of 5 to give him tonight, then a rest for, I think 9 days and then daily for 5 consecutive days again. I'm hoping the feline interferon will help him fight whatever is going on with him. It's obvious he doesn't feel well after his shot. He's still on Dox. We'll know more when we do blood work again. Keep your paws crossed. Nina catatonya wrote: I've been offline for a few days. I hope Spencer feels better. t
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
Tell 'em your willing to take it all off their hands for a further discount! Susan Hoffman wrote: A grocery outlet store near me has 4-POUND cans of salmon on sale right now for $3.99 a can. Around here, that's one meal. I will be so unhappy when they sell out their stock on this item. */kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: At 12:08 PM 9/2/2006, you wrote: Glad to hear this. I am also a member of Catwell,, the homeopathic group sort of, They recommend Pro Pac (not pro plan) kitten dry for all the cats. it is a good food,,hard to find and not outrageously pricey but up there. I mix it with the KirklandI feed canned about once a week,,I have special need cats with special diets,,My IBD my FIV my CRF etc,,, Most of us are paying this out of our own pockets, plus the expensive vet bills,, We do the very best we can to care for those that now one else bothered with. Too bad we can form a cat food C0 OP and get cheaper prices,,and least in Geographical areas, Kelly Lane www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com/ >I thought it was about time to change the subject line. I hear you >about the cost of canned food and quality dry. There's no way I >could do it at my house for everyone either. I feed quality dry >inside and the best inexpensive cat food I can afford to the ferals >outside, (I use the Costco brand). Gypsy is the only one getting >the turkey mush at my house, except for the occasional treat to some >of the others that really like it. I use every part of the turkey I >can, (it helps assuage my guilt a little bit). We even boil the >carcass for broth to add to the dog's food. I'm lucky that Gypsy >really likes her mush and as long as it's available to her, she >leaves the dry alone. > >Kelley Saveika wrote: > >>As far as food, yes, most of them are on dry. I don't like it, but >>I feed about 80 pounds of dry per month, and I absolutely can't >>afford to feed them all canned. I did the math when I put Missy on >>Evo and it would be $600 per month to put them all on Evo, which is >>really what I would like to do. >> >> >> > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
A grocery outlet store near me has 4-POUND cans of salmon on sale right now for $3.99 a can. Around here, that's one meal. I will be so unhappy when they sell out their stock on this item.kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 12:08 PM 9/2/2006, you wrote:Glad to hear this. I am also a member of Catwell,, the homeopathic group sort of, They recommend Pro Pac (not pro plan) kitten dry for all the cats. it is a good food,,hard to find and not outrageously pricey but up there. I mix it with the KirklandI feed canned about once a week,,I have special need cats with special diets,,My IBD my FIV my CRF etc,,,Most of us are paying this out of our own pockets, plus the expensive vet bills,,We do the very best we can to care for those that now one else bothered with.Too bad we can form a cat food C0 OP and get cheaper prices,,and least in Geographical areas,Kelly Lanewww.kellyscats.zoomshare.com/>I thought it was about time to change the subject line. I hear you >about the cost of canned food and quality dry. There's no way I >could do it at my house for everyone either. I feed quality dry >inside and the best inexpensive cat food I can afford to the ferals >outside, (I use the Costco brand). Gypsy is the only one getting >the turkey mush at my house, except for the occasional treat to some >of the others that really like it. I use every part of the turkey I >can, (it helps assuage my guilt a little bit). We even boil the >carcass for broth to add to the dog's food. I'm lucky that Gypsy >really likes her mush and as long as it's available to her, she >leaves the dry alone.>>Kelley Saveika wrote:>>>As far as food, yes, most of them are on dry. I don't like it, but >>I feed about 80 pounds of dry per month, and I absolutely can't >>afford to feed them all canned. I did the math when I put Missy on >>Evo and it would be $600 per month to put them all on Evo, which is >>really what I would like to do.-->No virus found in this incoming message.>Checked by AVG Free Edition.>Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: Bad news about Spencer
I've been offline for a few days. I hope Spencer feels better. tNina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks Tonya,I think he's okay from eating the litter. It was just another thing to worry me and the one thing I wasn't doing anything about. The vet had suggested an ultra sound to check, but I've been spending so much money (I don't have) the last couple of weeks on animal related stuff that I decided to wait and watch instead. Of course after I got home I wasn't sure I'd done the right thing. No, I didn't know he was positive. I suspected he was fiv +, but it was a shock to hear he was pos for both fiv and felv. Like Michelle said, he may not really be pos for fiv, I'll know for certain when we do the IFA test. I did start him on Dox this morning and I'll be starting the VO this evening when Bruce gets home to hold him for me. His respiratory rate has me concerned. I just looked up the normal rate and found out it's 16-40 breaths per minute. Spence is at 52. Other than that he is slowly improving symptom wise. I'm going to go and offer him more food right now. Thanks for the support,Ninacatatonya wrote: Nina, First of all I really doubt this has anything to do with the clumping litter. Did you not know Spencer was positive? I would treat with doxy just in case of hemobart and maybe try immunoregulin. Hang in there. tNina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: First of all, I'm sorry I haven't been able to keep up with the list lately. As always, my prayers are with you and your furbabies.I got some bad news about Spencer yesterday. For about five days before I took him to the Internist on Friday, he'd been showing symptoms... Clear discharge from his eyes and nose, waning appetite, lethargy and then finally I caught him eating some of that dreaded clumping litter. I know, I know, we just discussed the hazards of clumping litter, but I bought some more of it because I needed some and it was all Costco had in stock. About two weeks ago he also had a bout of vomiting that lasted a couple of days. I'm still waiting for my vet's office to send me the full results of his cbc, he's got anemia, (Hematocrit 19.5 and Nutri-fils 1295). I'm reeling from the result of his fiv/felv tests, he's positive for both. Right now he's on Clavomox and Baytril, (I had put him on Clav last Wed pm). He's acting a little better, but I still haven't seen him defecate, (he's out in general population still, so I could have missed it), and I'm worried about a possible obstruction. One of the vets thought she felt "something hard" when she palpatated him, the other vet didn't feel anything. The article Michelle posted mentioned something about homeopathic vets treating for obstruction, but it didn't say what, or how. I've emailed the woman that wrote the article and have a call into a vet I've used that treats with homeopathics. Of course she's out of town for the next two weeks. Hopefully the vet that's filling in for her will have some advice without making me bring Spencer in for an xray or ultrasound. Does anyone know anything about the treatment for clumping litter obstruction?Hideyo is sending me a box of VO, hopefully it will get here by tomorrow. Hideyo, I wrote to you earlier about Michelle at my vet's office being on vacation for the next three weeks. When I asked about getting the dispensation process started for VO, they told me it would have to wait until Michelle returns. I'll try to call you later so we can talk about this.Please everyone, send prayers and good thoughts that Spencer bounces back and my fears about the clumping litter are groundless.Nina
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
At 12:08 PM 9/2/2006, you wrote: Glad to hear this. I am also a member of Catwell,, the homeopathic group sort of, They recommend Pro Pac (not pro plan) kitten dry for all the cats. it is a good food,,hard to find and not outrageously pricey but up there. I mix it with the KirklandI feed canned about once a week,,I have special need cats with special diets,,My IBD my FIV my CRF etc,,, Most of us are paying this out of our own pockets, plus the expensive vet bills,, We do the very best we can to care for those that now one else bothered with. Too bad we can form a cat food C0 OP and get cheaper prices,,and least in Geographical areas, Kelly Lane www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com/ I thought it was about time to change the subject line. I hear you about the cost of canned food and quality dry. There's no way I could do it at my house for everyone either. I feed quality dry inside and the best inexpensive cat food I can afford to the ferals outside, (I use the Costco brand). Gypsy is the only one getting the turkey mush at my house, except for the occasional treat to some of the others that really like it. I use every part of the turkey I can, (it helps assuage my guilt a little bit). We even boil the carcass for broth to add to the dog's food. I'm lucky that Gypsy really likes her mush and as long as it's available to her, she leaves the dry alone. Kelley Saveika wrote: As far as food, yes, most of them are on dry. I don't like it, but I feed about 80 pounds of dry per month, and I absolutely can't afford to feed them all canned. I did the math when I put Missy on Evo and it would be $600 per month to put them all on Evo, which is really what I would like to do. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
OT Food and IBD - Kelly
I thought it was about time to change the subject line. I hear you about the cost of canned food and quality dry. There's no way I could do it at my house for everyone either. I feed quality dry inside and the best inexpensive cat food I can afford to the ferals outside, (I use the Costco brand). Gypsy is the only one getting the turkey mush at my house, except for the occasional treat to some of the others that really like it. I use every part of the turkey I can, (it helps assuage my guilt a little bit). We even boil the carcass for broth to add to the dog's food. I'm lucky that Gypsy really likes her mush and as long as it's available to her, she leaves the dry alone. Kelley Saveika wrote: As far as food, yes, most of them are on dry. I don't like it, but I feed about 80 pounds of dry per month, and I absolutely can't afford to feed them all canned. I did the math when I put Missy on Evo and it would be $600 per month to put them all on Evo, which is really what I would like to do.
Re: Lost Twinkletoes
Kelly, I'm guessing the reason rabbit and venison have worked for some people is because of the "novel" protein approach. Novel, meaning a protein source that they haven't been exposed to and therefore would probably not have an allergic reaction to. I've fed Gypsy rabbit, (I know it hurts), I got mine frozen and quartered from the grocery store. She got tired of it though and stopped eating it. I've tried venison too. There was a point where I thought I might run out of protein sources in the animal kingdom. Gypsy did really well at first on raw salmon, then duck, then salmon and duck. That was expensive! She's now on a homemade cooked turkey mush diet that's working well for her. I'll send you the recipe off list so I can attach it. Be warned, it's a great deal of trouble, but not nearly as much as doting on a sick kitty. Nina Hi Nina, Their mom has been diagnosed with IBD, so that very well may be it. Is it genetic? I dont' know too much about IBD yet as Ciara was recently diagnosed, maybe 2-3 weeks ago. We are still working on getting her symptoms under control. I have heard about all different sorts of diets working for different people. Some swear by rabbit (I don't think I can feed rabbit. That would be like feeding cat, to me.) Some by venison, etc. I'm guessing it depends on the cat?
re: my baby crackers
thank you all so much who have posted so far your advice is keeping my family in excellent spirits THANK YOU so much and bless all your furry friends:)
Re: Pics of my boys
Very big beautiful fluffy boys, you're very lucky! Maizee trying to fetch the sponge out of the tub is really cute too. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster & Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006
Re: my baby crackers
At 09:48 AM 9/2/2006, you wrote: In addition to the IFA test. Any test should be repeated in 2 months or so. Some cats have a transient positive after exposure and then are able to completely clear the virus because of a good immune system.. I am eagerly awaiting my 8 weeks on this new juvenile I am caring for, Kelly
RE: my baby crackers
First off, its very hard for a healthy adult cat to ‘catch’ FELV. There are two tests—one is an in-house test, Elissa. Then there’s an IFA, blood sent out to lab. Be sure the vet specifically says he did IFA. Now having said all of this, believe me there are tens of thousands of cats who test pos for FELV and nobody ever knows it. My own didn’t test + until she was 4—I had her since she was a kitten and she’s never been outside. False + are not uncommon and further testing & retesting is in order… Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 1:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: my baby crackers I am sorry for your terrible experience, but it is absolutely not true that there are no false positives. I had a false positive on a kitten just a few months ago. The first thing I would do is to find a different vet. There are people here who will be able to give you more and better information, but I can tell you there are absolutely false positives. -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life! http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese
Re: Re: Lost Twinkletoes
As far as food, yes, most of them are on dry. I don't like it, but I feed about 80 pounds of dry per month, and I absolutely can't afford to feed them all canned. I did the math when I put Missy on Evo and it would be $600 per month to put them all on Evo, which is really what I would like to do.
Re: my baby crackers
I am sorry for your terrible experience, but it is absolutely not true that there are no false positives. I had a false positive on a kitten just a few months ago. The first thing I would do is to find a different vet. There are people here who will be able to give you more and better information, but I can tell you there are absolutely false positives.-- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life! http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese
Re: Re: Lost Twinkletoes
On 9/2/06, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Kelley,I understand what you mean about hating kitten season. I'm so sorry forall the losses you've had to endure. I love all babies, but after being in rescue I can't look at any of them without a touch of sadness. Ihate that!The symptoms you describe sound like IBD, (Inflammatory Bowel Disease)to me. It's a catch-all term used when the vets have done all the tests and can't figure out what the heck is going on. The symptoms includeuncontrolled diarrhea and/or vomiting, thickened intestine walls andmalnutrition. There is an IBD list that I joined when my Gypsydeveloped IBD after an accidental vaccine overdose. Generally the people and the rules on the list are a royal pain in the a**, but I didget some valuable information there that helped save Gypsy's life,(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineIBD ). I have found that diet is akey factor. Switching Gypsy to a raw diet was the turning point in herrecovery, (she's now on a cooked turkey diet that keeps her bowelsrelatively normal and allows her to maintain her weight. Food allergies usually play a part, low allergen foods and getting them on a "novel"protein is usually the first step. If they are on dry food, get themoff of it immediately. Steroids are also commonly used to help control IBD, Budesonide is sometimes favored over Prednisone. I hate puttingkitties on steroids because it lowers their immune response and has longterm side effects, but when someone is in grave danger... I've had very good luck with homeopathics, but it was a long time before I found theright remedies for Gypsy. As I mentioned before, B12 injections seemedto help too. Get a scale you can use at home so you can monitor Rory's weight without having to go to the vet. Hugs and best wishes to you mydear,Nina Hi Nina, Their mom has been diagnosed with IBD, so that very well may be it. Is it genetic? I dont' know too much about IBD yet as Ciara was recently diagnosed, maybe 2-3 weeks ago. We are still working on getting her symptoms under control. I have heard about all different sorts of diets working for different people. Some swear by rabbit (I don't think I can feed rabbit. That would be like feeding cat, to me.) Some by venison, etc. I'm guessing it depends on the cat? -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese
Re: Re: Lost Twinkletoes
Hi Kelley, I understand what you mean about hating kitten season. I'm so sorry for all the losses you've had to endure. I love all babies, but after being in rescue I can't look at any of them without a touch of sadness. I hate that! The symptoms you describe sound like IBD, (Inflammatory Bowel Disease) to me. It's a catch-all term used when the vets have done all the tests and can't figure out what the heck is going on. The symptoms include uncontrolled diarrhea and/or vomiting, thickened intestine walls and malnutrition. There is an IBD list that I joined when my Gypsy developed IBD after an accidental vaccine overdose. Generally the people and the rules on the list are a royal pain in the a**, but I did get some valuable information there that helped save Gypsy's life, (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineIBD). I have found that diet is a key factor. Switching Gypsy to a raw diet was the turning point in her recovery, (she's now on a cooked turkey diet that keeps her bowels relatively normal and allows her to maintain her weight. Food allergies usually play a part, low allergen foods and getting them on a "novel" protein is usually the first step. If they are on dry food, get them off of it immediately. Steroids are also commonly used to help control IBD, Budesonide is sometimes favored over Prednisone. I hate putting kitties on steroids because it lowers their immune response and has long term side effects, but when someone is in grave danger... I've had very good luck with homeopathics, but it was a long time before I found the right remedies for Gypsy. As I mentioned before, B12 injections seemed to help too. Get a scale you can use at home so you can monitor Rory's weight without having to go to the vet. Hugs and best wishes to you my dear, Nina > My vet said he is seeing it more, and they don't really know what it is. It is pretty scary. He said she had thickened intestines, and she could not absorb her food. So she ate, but remained tiny. At 5 months she was 1.04 pounds. This may have been some other sort of illness that she didn't have the reserves to deal with. I just don't know. Her sister is perhaps 2 pounds. I need to take her and get her weighed. This is the 5th kitten I have lost this year and the 2nd from this litter. I hate kitten season. >
my baby crackers
About last Oct. we found Pokemon at our local park. She had a pink collor on and was so tame and lovable. But she was skinny. I thought I was doing an excellent thing bringing her home and my son 4 and niece 9 wouldn't have it any other way. She seemed to gain weight when she got here. She was small so i thought she was still a kitten about 4-5 months. Well a few weeks ago Pokemon started "coughing" she got into the basement and had insulation on her nose. So when the coughing was still going on but not as bad I thought she must have sniffed some insulation. Last Monday her breathing semed like a deep hard breathing and she was always so skinny i didn't notice a weight lost. I went down into the basment i live in a triplex...i found rat poisoning in a corner on a shelf. I rushed her to my local animal hospital and they told me that she needed emergency care...so we drove to unniversity of penn animal emergency hospital. They took her right in. I was thinking oh no rat poisoning..we dont even have mice here. Well finally after getting half assed answers and them saying it could be this or that...she told me that Pokemon had an abundancy of fluided in her lungs and finally was told that she had lyphomia and that they estimated Pokemon to be between 5-7 yrs old based on teeth and kidney size. To do the full tests and amit her to the ICU unit would be between $6000-$8000 estimate and we needed to put $1300 down. And they were so kind to let us have 5 mins to decide. Also the dr. said that this lyphomia could have been from Feline Aids or Feline Luekemia and that Cracks may have been affected. Now my mind was shot. I decided to euthanize her when they said she was so sick that they also believed she had this for awhile and was little hope. Ok on to Crackers. On the way home from putting Pokemon to sleep I immediately called my vet to get Crackers tested for FIV AND The luekemia. That was Tuesday and today is Saturday. Last nite Friday cracker had his appointment the dr said looks like he will be negative for both but we still have about 2 mins. Well he said oh we do have a positive. As my heart dropped he got his book and said feline luekemia. The dot that registared was a little very lite blue dot. I told him to send out the other ultra violet test. They should be back Sun morning and with the holiday if not sun then Mon. He said Crackers looked very Healthy and strong. I asked him over and over being in shock if there were false positives and he said that the test didn't have any. Here is a little of Crackers history: he is my big baby 18.6 lbs..he has NEVER been sick ever...no colds nothing and he only had diareahha 1 day when he was a yr old. He is very loving and happy..has never been outside except when he would run out and i was right after him. That he grew out of. He has a hearty appetite. I leave out food and fresh water 24-7 for him. He lives a very stress free life and is a LOVER boy he loves to purr and be rubbed. I am willing to do anything in the world for him and i will. I am open to all and all suggestions. And all I can remember is that the 1st month pokemon came they would fight and he did have a bite mark that bleed..he is all white. So i know he suffered a deep wound puncture for her. What kills me is how dense I was. I based Pokemon like a book by its cover. She was beautiful and so sweet I NEVER realized i should of had her tested and never brought her near my baby. I will never be able to forgive myself for Cracker being a positive Feline Leukemia. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
Re: Lost Twinkletoes
On 9/2/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm so sorry about Twinkletoes!Such a young furbaby. :(You are my thoughts and prayers. It is hard when you lose one that young. I have never had to deal with this problem in all the kitties I've hadhope I don't either. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUETerrie Mohr-Forker http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/ My vet said he is seeing it more, and they don't really know what it is. It is pretty scary. He said she had thickened intestines, and she could not absorb her food. So she ate, but remained tiny. At 5 months she was 1.04 pounds. This may have been some other sort of illness that she didn't have the reserves to deal with. I just don't know. Her sister is perhaps 2 pounds. I need to take her and get her weighed. This is the 5th kitten I have lost this year and the 2nd from this litter. I hate kitten season. -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life! http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese
Re: Lost Twinkletoes
I'm so sorry about Twinkletoes! Such a young furbaby. :( You are my thoughts and prayers. It is hard when you lose one that young. I have never had to deal with this problem in all the kitties I've hadhope I don't either. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE Terrie Mohr-Forker http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/
Re: Lost Twinkletoes
I'm so sorry, Kelley. I've never heard of that problem. I hope you can find some information to help Twinkletoes' sister. tonyaKelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I lost my Twinkletoes this morning to complications of malabsorption (not FELV related). She was 5 months. She has a sister who is also very small, and I'm trying to do some research on this condition. Does anyone know anything about it? -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese
Re: Question about different FeLV tests
On 8/31/06, Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Always remember, annual vaccinations are very convenient and easy way tomake money for most of the vets (a quote by vets).. so though it maybe required by state law normally, you really have to figure the benefitsand risks of giving it to your cats.. I do not give rabies to my felkand FIV cats and my vets supports it.. I actually do not give any vaccinations to my heart disease cat. My vet has advised me against it as the chances of her dying from a bad reaction to the vaccine are much higher than dying of distemper, Felv, or rabies. -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese