Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
May all the angels watch after you and Rikki. He is so lucky to have you and he knows it. He does not want you to be sad and he doesn't want to be the cause of that sadness. Little darlings that come to us the way he came to you know so much and love so genuinely.Peace to you both and all the other little ones. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; CRF Family Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:54 AM Subject: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? Hi, please pray for my most gentle kitty, Rikki - Rikki was abandoned by someone who lived at an apartment where I was renting several years ago,, they left him behind.. he was living under the bush until I decided to bring him home - he somehow was tested incorrectly as FIV a few years ago, but it turned out false positive and he has been such a sweet and kind addition to my family - A several months ago, I noticed that he started losing weight, and did a couple of blood work and they always come back pretty normal.. most of my kitties have high globulin - so FIP is never completely ignored.. but I have had lots of corona virus cats for the past 7 years or so.. so I had stopped worrying about FIP - until a few months ago, when I started losing my babies one after the other to FIP - My vet thinks that ARF is a result of FIP - and he maybe losing sight gradually (not to due to BP -as it's normal) - it also happens with FIP - He has been on IV all day today and I am bringing back tomorrow day time to get some more --- I just feel so helpless - I am so devastated and cannot even cry - Everyone please pray that a miracle will happen and my Rikki will feel better - he does not deserve this. Hideyo
RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
Thank you, Marylyn -it's strange when you feel that you don't have any tears left.. there are still more - I want tobe storong for my Rikki- I am just mad at the world right now.. including myself - I am just killing all of babies and cannot stop it from happening...If there is god, I want to beg so badly not to take anyone away from to this awful disease anymore.. I just can't stand it. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:07 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? May all the angels watch after you and Rikki. He is so lucky to have you and he knows it. He does not want you to be sad and he doesn't want to be the cause of that sadness. Little darlings that come to us the way he came to you know so much and love so genuinely.Peace to you both and all the other little ones. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; CRF Family mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:54 AM Subject: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? Hi, please pray for my most gentle kitty, Rikki - Rikki was abandoned by someone who lived at an apartment where I was renting several years ago,, they left him behind.. he was living under the bush until I decided to bring him home - he somehow was tested incorrectly as FIV a few years ago, but it turned out false positive and he has been such a sweet and kind addition to my family - A several months ago, I noticed that he started losing weight, and did a couple of blood work and they always come back pretty normal.. most of my kitties have high globulin - so FIP is never completely ignored.. but I have had lots of corona virus cats for the past 7 years or so.. so I had stopped worrying about FIP - until a few months ago, when I started losing my babies one after the other to FIP - My vet thinks that ARF is a result of FIP - and he maybe losing sight gradually (not to due to BP -as it's normal) - it also happens with FIP - He has been on IV all day today and I am bringing back tomorrow day time to get some more --- I just feel so helpless - I am so devastated and cannot even cry - Everyone please pray that a miracle will happen and my Rikki will feel better - he does not deserve this... Hideyo
Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
Rikki is proof that there is a god. Who else could ensure that such a loving little one could find a safe, caring home with someone strong enough to handle all the problems he and his friends have? And who else could give you the strength to care for his creations, little critters that have been abandoned or abused or simply uncared for? I really understand what you mean and you have been hit hard. I don't know why these things happen. I am confident that some of us are made to suffer horribly to care for those who need our care. It doesn't seem right at all but it is the way it is. We would all like a world that was perfect---no pain, no suffering, no broken hearts. I believe we will find that world when we finally leave this one. I don't know all the various religious takes on this. I just know that Rikki is a little bit of God sent to comfort you and love you and for you to care for and love. As are all the other little ones who have found you. When he returns to God he will sit on His/Her lap and purr and tell Him/Her how wonderful you have been. God has a very big lap. He/She has to have with all the little ones telling Him/Her how great you are. They will also tell Him/Her how very sad you are and He/She will send you added strength and peace. They will visit you often if you let them. You see, they are truly God's Angels. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 2:09 AM Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? Thank you, Marylyn -it's strange when you feel that you don't have any tears left.. there are still more - I want tobe storong for my Rikki- I am just mad at the world right now.. including myself - I am just killing all of babies and cannot stop it from happening.If there is god, I want to beg so badly not to take anyone away from to this awful disease anymore.. I just can't stand it. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:07 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? May all the angels watch after you and Rikki. He is so lucky to have you and he knows it. He does not want you to be sad and he doesn't want to be the cause of that sadness. Little darlings that come to us the way he came to you know so much and love so genuinely.Peace to you both and all the other little ones. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; CRF Family Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:54 AM Subject: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? Hi, please pray for my most gentle kitty, Rikki - Rikki was abandoned by someone who lived at an apartment where I was renting several years ago,, they left him behind.. he was living under the bush until I decided to bring him home - he somehow was tested incorrectly as FIV a few years ago, but it turned out false positive and he has been such a sweet and kind addition to my family - A several months ago, I noticed that he started losing weight, and did a couple of blood work and they always come back pretty normal.. most of my kitties have high globulin - so FIP is never completely ignored.. but I have had lots of corona virus cats for the past 7 years or so.. so I had stopped worrying about FIP - until a few months ago, when I started losing my babies one after the other to FIP - My vet thinks that ARF is a result of FIP - and he maybe losing sight gradually (not to due to BP -as it's normal) - it also happens with FIP - He has been on IV all day today and I am bringing back tomorrow day time to get some more --- I just feel so helpless - I am so devastated and cannot even cry - Everyone please pray that a miracle will happen and my Rikki will feel better - he does not deserve this. Hideyo
RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
What a nice things to say, Marlyn - you are making me cry more.. It's very difficult with this diseases - as they did not come diseased before they came to my house - FIP is a disease that produced by multihouse cat household - so I am the main part of the reasons why they have had this disease and I just can't change that.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:47 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? Rikki is proof that there is a god. Who else could ensure that such a loving little one could find a safe, caring home with someone strong enough to handle all the problems he and his friends have? And who else could give you the strength to care for his creations, little critters that have been abandoned or abused or simply uncared for? I really understand what you mean and you have been hit hard. I don't know why these things happen. I am confident that some of us are made to suffer horribly to care for those who need our care. It doesn't seem right at all but it is the way it is. We would all like a world that was perfect---no pain, no suffering, no broken hearts. I believe we will find that world when we finally leave this one. I don't know all the various religious takes on this. I just know that Rikki is a little bit of God sent to comfort you and love you and for you to care for and love. As are all the other little ones who have found you. When he returns to God he will sit on His/Her lap and purr and tell Him/Her how wonderful you have been. God has a very big lap. He/She has to have with all the little ones telling Him/Her how great you are. They will also tell Him/Her how very sad you are and He/She will send you added strength and peace. They will visit you often if you let them. You see, they are truly God's Angels. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 2:09 AM Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? Thank you, Marylyn -it's strange when you feel that you don't have any tears left.. there are still more - I want tobe storong for my Rikki- I am just mad at the world right now.. including myself - I am just killing all of babies and cannot stop it from happening...If there is god, I want to beg so badly not to take anyone away from to this awful disease anymore.. I just can't stand it. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:07 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? May all the angels watch after you and Rikki. He is so lucky to have you and he knows it. He does not want you to be sad and he doesn't want to be the cause of that sadness. Little darlings that come to us the way he came to you know so much and love so genuinely.Peace to you both and all the other little ones. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; CRF Family mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:54 AM Subject: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? Hi, please pray for my most gentle kitty, Rikki - Rikki was abandoned by someone who lived at an apartment where I was renting several years ago,, they left him behind.. he was living under the bush until I decided to bring him home - he somehow was tested incorrectly as FIV a few years ago, but it turned out false positive and he has been such a sweet and kind addition to my family - A several months ago, I noticed that he started losing weight, and did a couple of blood work and they always come back pretty normal.. most of my
Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
If you were given the choice between: Living a disease free life with no one to love you, no home to keep you warm when it was cold or cool when it was hot, no food that you did not find yourself, dogs chasing you, cars, mean people who took pleasure in causing you pain. Where you had to find shelter from the rain where ever you could and hope to find clean water sometimes and drinking from mud puddles if you were lucky the rest of the time. Fill in all the rest. You know them as well as I do. Or Living a life full of love with good food and shelter and play things and the chance of an awful disease but one where a person would do everything for you possible then, if you wanted help, would help you leave this world peacefully and painlessly. Which life would you chose? I know which one I would take. This is not to say you should not attempt to get this disease under control. I know that you are doing everything you know to do. Do you have an alternative or holistic vet? If not, you may want to look into that. For some reason an angel is sitting on my shoulder says tell her to try Just Born. It has colostrum and, aside from the obvious use with new born kittens, is used with cats who are stressed out or pregnant. The powder is very affordable (forget the ready mix with a house full of cats). Dixie likes both but eats the dry mixed in her cat food. This is just a thought but well, I have to pass it on. And you do not know that they come disease free. There are so many things that can weaken the immune system (a reason for checking out an alternative vet). All you can truly say is that they tested negative. Try to be more gentle with yourself. You are using all your energy kicking yourself. You need that energy to love and care for the little ones. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:05 AM Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? What a nice things to say, Marlyn - you are making me cry more.. It's very difficult with this diseases - as they did not come diseased before they came to my house - FIP is a disease that produced by multihouse cat household - so I am the main part of the reasons why they have had this disease and I just can't change that.. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:47 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? Rikki is proof that there is a god. Who else could ensure that such a loving little one could find a safe, caring home with someone strong enough to handle all the problems he and his friends have? And who else could give you the strength to care for his creations, little critters that have been abandoned or abused or simply uncared for? I really understand what you mean and you have been hit hard. I don't know why these things happen. I am confident that some of us are made to suffer horribly to care for those who need our care. It doesn't seem right at all but it is the way it is. We would all like a world that was perfect---no pain, no suffering, no broken hearts. I believe we will find that world when we finally leave this one. I don't know all the various religious takes on this. I just know that Rikki is a little bit of God sent to comfort you and love you and for you to care for and love. As are all the other little ones who have found you. When he returns to God he will sit on His/Her lap and purr and tell Him/Her how wonderful you have been. God has a very big lap. He/She has to have with all the little ones telling Him/Her how great you are. They will also tell Him/Her how very sad you are and He/She will send you added strength and peace. They will visit you often if you let them. You see, they are truly God's Angels. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
RE: Sanctuary
No, I couldn't find much about them. That is not a good sign. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patricia Lamoretti Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Sanctuary Did you ever find out anything about Paradise Garden? I'm looking for a place for a feral cat that was never socialized as a kitten and lived with an elderly man who has now passed. We need to find her a safe, indoor environment. Any information you can provide would be great. Thanks -- PAT Joan Doljan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone heard of Paradise Garden Animal Haven in Woodhull, N.Y? Thanks, Joan Sponsored Link Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro-*Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=10035url=%2fst.jsptm=ys earch=b_rate150ks=3968p=5035disc=yvers=722
RE: Sanctuary
Thanks! Doljan, Joan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I couldn't find much about them. That is not a good sign. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patricia Lamoretti Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Sanctuary Did you ever find out anything about Paradise Garden? I'm looking for a place for a feral cat that was never socialized as a kitten and lived with an elderly man who has now passed. We need to find her a safe, indoor environment. Any information you can provide would be great. Thanks -- PAT Joan Doljan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone heard of Paradise Garden Animal Haven in Woodhull, N.Y? Thanks, Joan - Sponsored Link Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro-*Terms - Sponsored Link $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/month - Think You Pay Too Much For Your Mortgage? Find Out!
Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
I hope your Rikki starts feeling better soon. I will be praying for him. Cindy Reasoner --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, please pray for my most gentle kitty, Rikki - Rikki was abandoned by someone who lived at an apartment where I was renting several years ago,, they left him behind.. he was living under the bush until I decided to bring him home - he somehow was tested incorrectly as FIV a few years ago, but it turned out false positive and he has been such a sweet and kind addition to my family - A several months ago, I noticed that he started losing weight, and did a couple of blood work and they always come back pretty normal.. most of my kitties have high globulin - so FIP is never completely ignored.. but I have had lots of corona virus cats for the past 7 years or so.. so I had stopped worrying about FIP - until a few months ago, when I started losing my babies one after the other to FIP - My vet thinks that ARF is a result of FIP - and he maybe losing sight gradually (not to due to BP -as it's normal) - it also happens with FIP - He has been on IV all day today and I am bringing back tomorrow day time to get some more --- I just feel so helpless - I am so devastated and cannot even cry - Everyone please pray that a miracle will happen and my Rikki will feel better - he does not deserve this... Hideyo Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420k for $1,399/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre
Re: Please add to the CLS - and HELP - long, sorry
He is better and I am so grateful. Thank you. catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Susan, So many losses. I'm so sorry. I hope Valley recuperates. It's tough with positive cats. We can only do the best we can. t Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please add my sweet (felv neg) Bessie to the CLS - she died Sept.26th. She was a little tortie manx who'd had heartworms when rescued about 5 years ago. Daily pred helped her survive the death of the heartworms and she was one of my library cats, who regularly came to school with me. Such a sweet and gentle girl - she did the cutest little trick of standing right next to me with one of her hind feet -- always a hind foot - resting on my foot. The heartworms left her with right heart damage which we weren't aware of. She began throwing clots to her lungs and brain. Please also add my little foster fella, Stinky, who was felv positive. He died on 9/25. He was the cutest little tabby - always full of life and mischief, only 8 months old. Healthy up until the last week and then boom. And please add my precious, precious Daisy (feleuk pos) also - she died on Sept. 15. Daisy. How do I describe her. She was technically my foster baby but so much more. Last year she came to school with me every day. She is the only kitty I've ever had who came to me every time I called. I'd call Dai-doo and in return get this little yip-yow from wherever she was and here she'd come trotting to me as fast as she could. She followed me around the library every step I took and the whole staff and student body were in love with her. I could take her anywhere with me on a harness and leash and she had a ball. I got her at 4 months and she didn't come in heat until 18 months. My vet and I were trying to decide if/when to spay her. She gaiined weight over the summer and looked so healthy. Came into heat a second time in late August. She'd been on interferon and when we decided to spay her I decided to start her on immunoregulin and wait a month or so first. The weekend before she died, I couldn't find her one day. I was tearing the house apart - one thing that I moved looking for her was a bed with lots of stuff under it. I didn't find her there -- and when she finally turned up later at the other end of the house it was like she was shell-shocked. She looked panicked and couldn't turn her head very well - cried like moving hurt her. I made the assumption that she'd been under the bed I'd moved and I'd squashed her or otherwise hurt her. Was afraid I'd injured her neck - gave her a depo shot. She seemed to move better and went on to have the best week she'd had in ages. Up thru Friday night whe was fine. I couldn't find her all day Sat - found her dead Sunday morning. Now I wonder if the last weekend's episode was feleuk related. Also - I'd updated her respiratory vaccs in late August -- wouldn't have done except that I have so many chronic URI fosters.Has anyone ever experienced anything like this? She was just 22 months old and her death has completely broken my heart. And now Valley - please put him on the special needs list - I need prayers or meditation or chanting or whatever you believe in -- for a remission for the feleuk crisis he is in. He is another of my library cats who comes to work with me. He was a rescue from a kill shelter about 5 years ago - he was 1 or 2 at the time. Feleuk positive. Looked like death warmed over but once fattened up has been so healthy that I had him retested last year to see if he'd reverted to neg. He began losing weight about 2 weeks ago - gums pale as snow. Blood work shows a hematocrit of 7 - almost not compatible with life. He is still somewhat active - gets off the bed to go to the litterbox and sometimes to the rest of the house. Will eat if I put food in front of him. His vet thought we could get a remission until the blood work came back. He is getting raw liver, Clindamycin, 5mg pred every day, PetTinic, interferon. I have immunoregulin and could try that. I asked about Epogen and the way my vet explained it is that with feline leukemia, where the bone marrow is basically dead and not going to produce red cells, to give Epogen would be like knocking on the door when nobody is home. We decided against blood transfusions due to the stress and the short term result. Does anyone have any ideas? I apologize for the length of this. Thanks for reading.
Crosspost - Lost cat from auto accident
Please cross post to everyone you know. She has been missing since Sept. 22nd, maybe someone took into to rescue. Ohio winters are real cold. Anyone who knows anyone in that area to please keep your eyes open. I can't imagne not knowing my fur baby was safe or had crossed that bridge. Please help! PLEASE READ - ALSO NOTIFY ANY SHELTERS IN OHIO (ESP. COLUMBUS AND SURROUNDING AREAS!! THANKS! From: alliance4animals@ aol.com Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:05:45 EST Subject: [Petadoption] Columbus, OH ~ Calico Cat Lost During Accident on I-71 A pick-up truck and trailer was involved in an accident at 1:00 AM on Friday, September 22nd on I-71 about 2 miles from the outskirts of Columbus near Wilson Road. The cat was riding in the truck cab with the driver and has not been seen since the accident. She is a calico, spayed and declawed. The driver, from Arizona, was trapped in the vehicle for 45 minutes and life-flighted to the hospital and survived with minor injuries. She has returned to Arizona but is still trying to locate her cat. Thank you for any information you may be able to provide. Please respond to Alliance4Animals@ aol.com I do not have a photo, yet. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
Hideyo, I am still not convinced they have FIP, still. It is very unlikely for so many to get it at once. Can you consult with an internist? Michelle In a message dated 11/17/2006 10:13:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What a nice things to say, Marlyn – you are making me cry more.. It’s very difficult with this diseases – as they did not come diseased before they came to my house – FIP is a disease that produced by multihouse cat household – so I am the main part of the reasons why they have had this disease and I just can’t change that..
Re: Pics of Smookie and the rescued dog
I'm always interested in pictures! Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:59:21 PM Subject: Pics of Smookie and the rescued dog Hey guys, If anyone is interested in seeing Smookie, the kitten we adopted in February, or the dog we rescued two weeks ago, let me know, and I'll email you the pics. :) Wendy Sponsored Link $200,000 mortgage for $660/ mo - 30/15 yr fixed, reduce debt - http://yahoo.ratemarketplace.com Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420k for $1,399/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre
Re: need advice re: Lucy -- Inky
Kerry, I never answered this question. I/D helped Lucy for a few weeks and then she grew sensitive to it, and even a few pieces of it would set her off at this point. Have you started Inky on the low dose flagyl yet? if so, is it helping? It really seems to be helping Lucy so far, knock on wood. Michelle In a message dated 10/29/2006 8:59:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you used science diet I/D for Lucy any?
Re: OT Help, I am so embarrassed
I guess it is possible. My boy who is spraying has a bladder infection and is on meds, so hopefully it will stop soon. On 11/13/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did the dress sit in the washer overnight? If so, you may have smelled moldy, not like cat pee It's possible the cat peed on the washer, and the pee ran in on top of the clean wash, right? You have a top-loading washer? Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/531 - Release Date: 11/12/2006 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT Help, I am so embarrassed
On 11/13/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a great idea take all your skills, and write up a nice resume, and apply at VET OFFICES, maybe they could use a person with your skills there, and the smell wouldn't be an issue. Phaewryn You know what? I don't think I could handle working in a vet's office. I was crying earlier over Hideyo's cats, and I don't even know Hideyo. My coworker asked what I was crying about and I said sick cats..no, they aren't my sick cats..and yes, I don't even know Hideyo..so yeah, I am crying about someone's sick cats on the Internet. You think they think I was strange before. Anyway I just picture vet's offices as kinda being surrounded by grief, and I know I couldn't cope with it. I can barely read this list and can't read the heart kitty list at all, so being around it all the time would probably kill me. I would love to work for Best Friends, but not if I have to live in Kaneb Utah. Heh.
RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
It's not that common - but there are a couple people on FIP list who has had a similar experience as I do - some lost 20 in catteries or a couple of hundreds even in some sheleter - they were all young kittens - I was just talking to a couple of people who have lost 6 of their cats one after the other to wet and dry FIP - and also Sally forester lost a several kittens to wet FIP within a few months period - once you lose a couple of them, you become very sensitive to certain symptoms.. now I have one boy Toni who I rescued a couple of months ago started showing URIs symptoms and reocuurance low grade fever - I am not freaking out yet.. but low grade fever that keeps come back is usuall suspicious.. on the other hand, my FIV boy toby had 107 temp yesterday all of sudden and sneeze,, and knew he did not have FIP, just calici virus or something.. and temp went down with some homeopathic remedy.. dry FIP is very subtle .. you think they just don't feel too good but they usually eat okay - that's why it's to easy to miss.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 8:30 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? Hideyo, I am still not convinced they have FIP, still. It is very unlikely for so many to get it at once. Can you consult with an internist? Michelle In a message dated 11/17/2006 10:13:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What a nice things to say, Marlyn - you are making me cry more.. It's very difficult with this diseases - as they did not come diseased before they came to my house - FIP is a disease that produced by multihouse cat household - so I am the main part of the reasons why they have had this disease and I just can't change that..
RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
Sally works with FeLV+ cats and kittens. FIP is much more common in cats who
are FeLV+. At one time it was thought that FIP and FeLV were part of the same
disorder.
The cattery situations often involve inbreeding.
I am on the FIP list. I have lost rescues last year and this year to FIP but
they have always been kittens under 10 months in age.
Hideyo, PLEASE look at causes other than FIP. Please do not lock on FIP as
the only explanation. From what you have described I think you need to look at
toxins in the environment, whether cleaning supplies, herbal or other
alternative medicines, something else. Your situation does not sound like FIP
to me. It sounds like at least some of these cats may be ingesting a toxic
substance. You really need to do necropsies to get to the bottom of this.
Please, if you keep focussing on FIP, you may miss a preventable/treatable
cause.
Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Its not that common but there are a couple people on FIP list who
has had a similar experience as I do some lost 20 in catteries or a couple of
hundreds even in some sheleter they were all young kittens
I was just talking to a couple of people who have lost 6 of their cats one
after the other to wet and dry FIP and also Sally forester lost a several
kittens to wet FIP within a few months period once you lose a couple of them,
you become very sensitive to certain symptoms.. now I have one boy Toni who I
rescued a couple of months ago started showing URIs symptoms and reocuurance
low grade fever I am not freaking out yet.. but low grade fever that keeps
come back is usuall suspicious.. on the other hand, my FIV boy toby had 107
temp yesterday all of sudden and sneeze,, and knew he did not have FIP, just
calici virus or something.. and temp went down with some homeopathic remedy..
dry FIP is very subtle .. you think they just dont feel too good but they
usually eat okay thats why its to easy to miss..
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL
PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 8:30 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
Hideyo, I am still not convinced they have FIP, still. It is very
unlikely for so many to get it at once. Can you consult with an internist?
Michelle
In a message dated 11/17/2006 10:13:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL
PROTECTED] writes:
What a nice things to say, Marlyn you are making me cry more..
Its very difficult with this diseases as they did not come diseased before
they came to my house FIP is a disease that produced by multihouse cat
household so I am the main part of the reasons why they have had this disease
and I just cant change that..
RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
I think none of the kitties whom she lost recently to FIP at this past incident was felk positive - (she had sent me the details of every kitty whom she lost as I was very curious to find out what happened) -Karen who also lost 6 of her kitties to FIP recently and none of them were felk positive either.. I ended up doing necropaise on Olive as my vet suggested and it was FIP - and I am assuming that the rest of my babies were also FIP - I am not sure which portion of the symptoms don't sound like FIP except Rikki- I really wish it was something else.. I have not lost any kitties older than two years old - three were less than 1 year, and Peter was 1.5 years old..- I don't know for sure if Rikki has FIP and it caused ARF or not - but there was nothing that he could get into - please trust me - I would think of all the reasons to cause what' s causing - Rikki's blood work is very similar to Peter though Rikki's liver is functions are fine- I did all the blood parasite tests on Rikki - and it was all negative - what else could it be? I don't keep any chemicals at all in my house for cleaning supplies - as I get so worried about it .. if not, FIP - what could it be? If you have any other ideas of the cause, I would love to look into it..please let me know.. I have two separate houses where I keep my cats next to each other.. none of the kitties from the other house (they are all older than 3 years old and I have not brought any new kitties to the house for the past three years or so) - When I read about the symptoms (both lab and clinical) of FIP -they are very much what my kitties have gotten - it just attacks differents part of the body, whether it's liver, kidney or CNS... _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? Sally works with FeLV+ cats and kittens. FIP is much more common in cats who are FeLV+. At one time it was thought that FIP and FeLV were part of the same disorder. The cattery situations often involve inbreeding. I am on the FIP list. I have lost rescues last year and this year to FIP but they have always been kittens under 10 months in age. Hideyo, PLEASE look at causes other than FIP. Please do not lock on FIP as the only explanation. From what you have described I think you need to look at toxins in the environment, whether cleaning supplies, herbal or other alternative medicines, something else. Your situation does not sound like FIP to me. It sounds like at least some of these cats may be ingesting a toxic substance. You really need to do necropsies to get to the bottom of this. Please, if you keep focussing on FIP, you may miss a preventable/treatable cause. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not that common - but there are a couple people on FIP list who has had a similar experience as I do - some lost 20 in catteries or a couple of hundreds even in some sheleter - they were all young kittens - I was just talking to a couple of people who have lost 6 of their cats one after the other to wet and dry FIP - and also Sally forester lost a several kittens to wet FIP within a few months period - once you lose a couple of them, you become very sensitive to certain symptoms.. now I have one boy Toni who I rescued a couple of months ago started showing URIs symptoms and reocuurance low grade fever - I am not freaking out yet.. but low grade fever that keeps come back is usuall suspicious.. on the other hand, my FIV boy toby had 107 temp yesterday all of sudden and sneeze,, and knew he did not have FIP, just calici virus or something.. and temp went down with some homeopathic remedy.. dry FIP is very subtle .. you think they just don't feel too good but they usually eat okay - that's why it's to easy to miss.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 8:30 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? Hideyo, I am still not convinced they have FIP, still. It is very unlikely for so many to get it at once. Can you consult with an internist? Michelle In a message dated 11/17/2006 10:13:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What a nice things to say, Marlyn - you are making me cry more.. It's very difficult with this diseases - as they did not come diseased before they came to my house - FIP is a disease that produced by multihouse cat household - so I am the main part of the reasons why they have had this disease and I just can't change that..
RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
At 03:27 PM 11/17/2006, you wrote: so glad the vet did a necropsy on Olive for you, Maybe I watch to much TV and my work on the hospital, sometimes getting a good diagnosis is the hardest part, Be a detective to help your vet, What do all these cats have in common food, bowels, sleeping arrangements, What kind of homeopathic remedys or even supplements,, How is Rikki doing?? It is not which symptoms do not sound like FIP but rather what other illnesses have the same symptoms. A differential diagnosis may really need a specialist who can order other tests your general vet may not even think of, It must be so frustrating for you, and hard, We will all keep thinking hard. Is there a vet school close by Kelly l I think none of the kitties whom she lost recently to FIP at this past incident was felk positive (she had sent me the details of every kitty whom she lost as I was very curious to find out what happened) -Karen who also lost 6 of her kitties to FIP recently and none of them were felk positive either.. I ended up doing necropaise on Olive as my vet suggested and it was FIP and I am assuming that the rest of my babies were also FIP I am not sure which portion of the symptoms dont sound like FIP except Rikki I really wish it was something else.. I have not lost any kitties older than two years old three were less than 1 year, and Peter was 1.5 years old.. I dont know for sure if Rikki has FIP and it caused ARF or not but there was nothing that he could get into please trust me I would think of all the reasons to cause what s causing Rikkis blood work is very similar to Peter though Rikkis liver is functions are fine I did all the blood parasite tests on Rikki and it was all negative what else could it be? I dont keep any chemicals at all in my house for cleaning supplies as I get so worried about it .. if not, FIP what could it be? If you have any other ideas of the cause, I would love to look into it..please let me know.. I have two separate houses where I keep my cats next to each other.. none of the kitties from the other house (they are all older than 3 years old and I have not brought any new kitties to the house for the past three years or so) When I read about the symptoms (both lab and clinical) of FIP they are very much what my kitties have gotten it just attacks differents part of the body, whether its liver, kidney or CNS -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? Sally works with FeLV+ cats and kittens. FIP is much more common in cats who are FeLV+. At one time it was thought that FIP and FeLV were part of the same disorder. The cattery situations often involve inbreeding. I am on the FIP list. I have lost rescues last year and this year to FIP but they have always been kittens under 10 months in age. Hideyo, PLEASE look at causes other than FIP. Please do not lock on FIP as the only explanation. From what you have described I think you need to look at toxins in the environment, whether cleaning supplies, herbal or other alternative medicines, something else. Your situation does not sound like FIP to me. It sounds like at least some of these cats may be ingesting a toxic substance. You really need to do necropsies to get to the bottom of this. Please, if you keep focussing on FIP, you may miss a preventable/treatable cause. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its not that common but there are a couple people on FIP list who has had a similar experience as I do some lost 20 in catteries or a couple of hundreds even in some sheleter they were all young kittens I was just talking to a couple of people who have lost 6 of their cats one after the other to wet and dry FIP and also Sally forester lost a several kittens to wet FIP within a few months period once you lose a couple of them, you become very sensitive to certain symptoms.. now I have one boy Toni who I rescued a couple of months ago started showing URIs symptoms and reocuurance low grade fever I am not freaking out yet.. but low grade fever that keeps come back is usuall suspicious.. on the other hand, my FIV boy toby had 107 temp yesterday all of sudden and sneeze,, and knew he did not have FIP, just calici virus or something.. and temp went down with some homeopathic remedy.. dry FIP is very subtle .. you think they just dont feel too good but they usually eat okay thats why its to easy to miss.. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 8:30 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? Hideyo, I am still not convinced they have FIP, still. It is
RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
What about herbal or alternative medicines? Some things that are OK for people
are toxic to cats. Perhaps walk through your house and look around, think
about what else it could be. To have so many in such a short period of time,
and with symptoms coming on so suddenly in some caseslook at other
possibilities, especially where the cats are over a year in age.
Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:v\:*
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st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }I think none of the
kitties whom she lost recently to FIP at this past incident was felk positive
(she had sent me the details of every kitty whom she lost as I was very
curious to find out what happened) -Karen who also lost 6 of her kitties to
FIP recently and none of them were felk positive either..
I ended up doing necropaise on Olive as my vet suggested and it was FIP
and I am assuming that the rest of my babies were also FIP I am not sure
which portion of the symptoms dont sound like FIP except Rikki I really wish
it was something else.. I have not lost any kitties older than two years old
three were less than 1 year, and Peter was 1.5 years old.. I dont know for
sure if Rikki has FIP and it caused ARF or not but there was nothing that he
could get into please trust me I would think of all the reasons to cause
what s causing Rikkis blood work is very similar to Peter though Rikkis
liver is functions are fine I did all the blood parasite tests on Rikki and
it was all negative what else could it be? I dont keep any chemicals at all
in my house for cleaning supplies as I get so worried about it .. if not,
FIP what could it be? If you have any other ideas of the cause, I would love
to look into it..please let me know..
I have two separate houses where I keep my cats next to each other.. none of
the kitties from the other house (they are all older than 3 years old and I
have not brought any new kitties to the house for the past three years or so)
When I read about the symptoms (both lab and clinical) of FIP they are very
much what my kitties have gotten it just attacks differents part of the body,
whether its liver, kidney or CNS
-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
Sally works with FeLV+ cats and kittens. FIP is much more common in cats
who are FeLV+. At one time it was thought that FIP and FeLV were part of the
same disorder.
The cattery situations often involve inbreeding.
I am on the FIP list. I have lost rescues last year and this year to FIP
but they have always been kittens under 10 months in age.
Hideyo, PLEASE look at causes other than FIP. Please do not lock on FIP as
the only explanation. From what you have described I think you need to look at
toxins in the environment, whether cleaning supplies, herbal or other
alternative medicines, something else. Your situation does not sound like FIP
to me. It sounds like at least some of these cats may be ingesting a toxic
substance. You really need to do necropsies to get to the bottom of this.
Please, if you keep focussing on FIP, you may miss a preventable/treatable
cause.
Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Its not that common but there are a couple people on FIP list who has
had a similar experience as I do some lost 20 in catteries or a couple of
hundreds even in some sheleter they were all young kittens
I was just talking to a couple of people who have lost 6 of their cats one
after the other to wet and dry FIP and also Sally forester lost a several
kittens to wet FIP within a few months period once you lose a couple of them,
you become very sensitive to certain symptoms.. now I have one boy Toni who I
rescued a couple of months ago started showing URIs symptoms and reocuurance
low grade fever I am not freaking out yet.. but low grade fever that keeps
come back is usuall suspicious.. on the other hand, my FIV boy toby had 107
temp yesterday all of sudden and sneeze,, and knew he did not have FIP, just
calici virus or something.. and temp went down with some homeopathic remedy..
dry FIP is very subtle .. you think they just dont feel too good but they
usually eat okay thats why its to easy to miss..
-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL
PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 8:30 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
Hideyo, I am still not convinced they
RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
I usually don't give any herbal stuff - as it can be tricky especially Chinese one - especially if they are healthy.. I am not giving anything - some one from a different list wrote to me saying that she lost 4 kitties to FIP within the same month, and in 4 month the numbers got 2 digits --- and someone else on FIP list wrote to me saying that, they lost all of their 20 kitties who were less than one year old to FIP over the course of several months.. FIP incident is usally sporadic.. when I lost one kitty to FIP 5 years ago, none of the kitties got it.. but I also know from reading different people's experience that epidemic happens especially among breeders or shelters when there are so many cats at the same place.. and that's what my house is - and I am really feeling bad about my situation producing this damn disease.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:40 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? What about herbal or alternative medicines? Some things that are OK for people are toxic to cats. Perhaps walk through your house and look around, think about what else it could be. To have so many in such a short period of time, and with symptoms coming on so suddenly in some caseslook at other possibilities, especially where the cats are over a year in age. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think none of the kitties whom she lost recently to FIP at this past incident was felk positive - (she had sent me the details of every kitty whom she lost as I was very curious to find out what happened) -Karen who also lost 6 of her kitties to FIP recently and none of them were felk positive either.. I ended up doing necropaise on Olive as my vet suggested and it was FIP - and I am assuming that the rest of my babies were also FIP - I am not sure which portion of the symptoms don't sound like FIP except Rikki- I really wish it was something else.. I have not lost any kitties older than two years old - three were less than 1 year, and Peter was 1.5 years old..- I don't know for sure if Rikki has FIP and it caused ARF or not - but there was nothing that he could get into - please trust me - I would think of all the reasons to cause what' s causing - Rikki's blood work is very similar to Peter though Rikki's liver is functions are fine- I did all the blood parasite tests on Rikki - and it was all negative - what else could it be? I don't keep any chemicals at all in my house for cleaning supplies - as I get so worried about it .. if not, FIP - what could it be? If you have any other ideas of the cause, I would love to look into it..please let me know.. I have two separate houses where I keep my cats next to each other.. none of the kitties from the other house (they are all older than 3 years old and I have not brought any new kitties to the house for the past three years or so) - When I read about the symptoms (both lab and clinical) of FIP -they are very much what my kitties have gotten - it just attacks differents part of the body, whether it's liver, kidney or CNS... _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? Sally works with FeLV+ cats and kittens. FIP is much more common in cats who are FeLV+. At one time it was thought that FIP and FeLV were part of the same disorder. The cattery situations often involve inbreeding. I am on the FIP list. I have lost rescues last year and this year to FIP but they have always been kittens under 10 months in age. Hideyo, PLEASE look at causes other than FIP. Please do not lock on FIP as the only explanation. From what you have described I think you need to look at toxins in the environment, whether cleaning supplies, herbal or other alternative medicines, something else. Your situation does not sound like FIP to me. It sounds like at least some of these cats may be ingesting a toxic substance. You really need to do necropsies to get to the bottom of this. Please, if you keep focussing on FIP, you may miss a preventable/treatable cause. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not that common - but there are a couple people on FIP list who has had a similar experience as I do - some lost 20 in catteries or a couple of hundreds even in some sheleter - they were all young kittens - I was just talking to a couple of people who have lost 6 of their cats one after the other to wet and dry FIP - and also Sally forester lost a several kittens to wet FIP within a few months period - once you lose a couple of them, you become very sensitive to certain symptoms.. now I have one boy Toni who I rescued a couple of months ago started showing URIs symptoms and reocuurance low grade fever - I
RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
I think that Rikki's kidney has started to shut down,,I am not going to take him to a vet any more - He wanted to come home and I promised to him that I wouldn't do anything to stress him out - I want him to be peaceful at home.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly L Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? At 03:27 PM 11/17/2006, you wrote: so glad the vet did a necropsy on Olive for you, Maybe I watch to much TV and my work on the hospital, sometimes getting a good diagnosis is the hardest part, Be a detective to help your vet, What do all these cats have in common food, bowels, sleeping arrangements, What kind of homeopathic remedys or even supplements,, How is Rikki doing?? It is not which symptoms do not sound like FIP but rather what other illnesses have the same symptoms. A differential diagnosis may really need a specialist who can order other tests your general vet may not even think of, It must be so frustrating for you, and hard, We will all keep thinking hard. Is there a vet school close by Kelly l I think none of the kitties whom she lost recently to FIP at this past incident was felk positive - (she had sent me the details of every kitty whom she lost as I was very curious to find out what happened) -Karen who also lost 6 of her kitties to FIP recently and none of them were felk positive either.. I ended up doing necropaise on Olive as my vet suggested and it was FIP - and I am assuming that the rest of my babies were also FIP - I am not sure which portion of the symptoms don't sound like FIP except Rikki- I really wish it was something else.. I have not lost any kitties older than two years old - three were less than 1 year, and Peter was 1.5 years old..- I don't know for sure if Rikki has FIP and it caused ARF or not - but there was nothing that he could get into - please trust me - I would think of all the reasons to cause what' s causing - Rikki's blood work is very similar to Peter though Rikki's liver is functions are fine- I did all the blood parasite tests on Rikki - and it was all negative - what else could it be? I don't keep any chemicals at all in my house for cleaning supplies - as I get so worried about it .. if not, FIP - what could it be? If you have any other ideas of the cause, I would love to look into it..please let me know.. I have two separate houses where I keep my cats next to each other.. none of the kitties from the other house (they are all older than 3 years old and I have not brought any new kitties to the house for the past three years or so) - When I read about the symptoms (both lab and clinical) of FIP -they are very much what my kitties have gotten - it just attacks differents part of the body, whether it's liver, kidney or CNS... _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? Sally works with FeLV+ cats and kittens. FIP is much more common in cats who are FeLV+. At one time it was thought that FIP and FeLV were part of the same disorder. The cattery situations often involve inbreeding. I am on the FIP list. I have lost rescues last year and this year to FIP but they have always been kittens under 10 months in age. Hideyo, PLEASE look at causes other than FIP. Please do not lock on FIP as the only explanation. From what you have described I think you need to look at toxins in the environment, whether cleaning supplies, herbal or other alternative medicines, something else. Your situation does not sound like FIP to me. It sounds like at least some of these cats may be ingesting a toxic substance. You really need to do necropsies to get to the bottom of this. Please, if you keep focussing on FIP, you may miss a preventable/treatable cause. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not that common - but there are a couple people on FIP list who has had a similar experience as I do - some lost 20 in catteries or a couple of hundreds even in some sheleter - they were all young kittens - I was just talking to a couple of people who have lost 6 of their cats one after the other to wet and dry FIP - and also Sally forester lost a several kittens to wet FIP within a few months period - once you lose a couple of them, you become very sensitive to certain symptoms.. now I have one boy Toni who I rescued a couple of months ago started showing URIs symptoms and reocuurance low grade fever - I am not freaking out yet.. but low grade fever that keeps come back is usuall suspicious.. on the other hand, my FIV boy toby had 107 temp yesterday all of sudden and sneeze,, and knew he did not have FIP, just calici virus or something.. and temp went down with some homeopathic remedy.. dry FIP is
RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
At 03:47 PM 11/17/2006, you wrote: Pleasae,,, If it is ARF...it takes a while to resolve and he needs the IV fluids while he recovers,My cat was at the vet for a week on fluids and meds and was 15 at the time. He is almost 20 now, Give him a chance,, Kelly I think that Rikkis kidney has started to shut down,,I am not going to take him to a vet any more He wanted to come home and I promised to him that I wouldnt do anything to stress him out I want him to be peaceful at home.. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly L Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? At 03:27 PM 11/17/2006, you wrote: so glad the vet did a necropsy on Olive for you, Maybe I watch to much TV and my work on the hospital, sometimes getting a good diagnosis is the hardest part, Be a detective to help your vet, What do all these cats have in common food, bowels, sleeping arrangements, What kind of homeopathic remedys or even supplements,, How is Rikki doing?? It is not which symptoms do not sound like FIP but rather what other illnesses have the same symptoms. A differential diagnosis may really need a specialist who can order other tests your general vet may not even think of, It must be so frustrating for you, and hard, We will all keep thinking hard. Is there a vet school close by Kelly l I think none of the kitties whom she lost recently to FIP at this past incident was felk positive (she had sent me the details of every kitty whom she lost as I was very curious to find out what happened) -Karen who also lost 6 of her kitties to FIP recently and none of them were felk positive either.. I ended up doing necropaise on Olive as my vet suggested and it was FIP and I am assuming that the rest of my babies were also FIP I am not sure which portion of the symptoms dont sound like FIP except Rikki I really wish it was something else.. I have not lost any kitties older than two years old three were less than 1 year, and Peter was 1.5 years old.. I dont know for sure if Rikki has FIP and it caused ARF or not but there was nothing that he could get into please trust me I would think of all the reasons to cause what s causing Rikkis blood work is very similar to Peter though Rikkis liver is functions are fine I did all the blood parasite tests on Rikki and it was all negative what else could it be? I dont keep any chemicals at all in my house for cleaning supplies as I get so worried about it .. if not, FIP what could it be? If you have any other ideas of the cause, I would love to look into it..please let me know.. I have two separate houses where I keep my cats next to each other.. none of the kitties from the other house (they are all older than 3 years old and I have not brought any new kitties to the house for the past three years or so) When I read about the symptoms (both lab and clinical) of FIP they are very much what my kitties have gotten it just attacks differents part of the body, whether its liver, kidney or CNS -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? Sally works with FeLV+ cats and kittens. FIP is much more common in cats who are FeLV+. At one time it was thought that FIP and FeLV were part of the same disorder. The cattery situations often involve inbreeding. I am on the FIP list. I have lost rescues last year and this year to FIP but they have always been kittens under 10 months in age. Hideyo, PLEASE look at causes other than FIP. Please do not lock on FIP as the only explanation. From what you have described I think you need to look at toxins in the environment, whether cleaning supplies, herbal or other alternative medicines, something else. Your situation does not sound like FIP to me. It sounds like at least some of these cats may be ingesting a toxic substance. You really need to do necropsies to get to the bottom of this. Please, if you keep focussing on FIP, you may miss a preventable/treatable cause. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its not that common but there are a couple people on FIP list who has had a similar experience as I do some lost 20 in catteries or a couple of hundreds even in some sheleter they were all young kittens I was just talking to a couple of people who have lost 6 of their cats one after the other to wet and dry FIP and also Sally forester lost a several kittens to wet FIP within a few months period once you lose a couple of them, you become very sensitive to certain symptoms.. now I have one boy Toni who I rescued a couple of months ago started showing URIs symptoms and reocuurance low grade fever
RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
Kelly - he has been on fluid since yesterday - and I brought him back today to get more - then, he was very depressed there, and the vet thought that he was going to cross soon and they called me and I went to pick him up right away.. when my hannibal had CRf, I took him to get IV, and he got so much better in a couple of days ---and when he crashed for the second time, my vet thought that it was his time to go, but I did not want to give up, so I asked her to give more fluid -and he died at the hospital.. I so wished that he could pass at home where he was surrounded by his family ---but I needed to try -his numbers were not as bad as Rikki's when he passed.. Rikki was very depressed there.. he wanted to come home as I promised to him that I would bring him home... he is very skinny as he has not been eating for the past couple of days - and I really can't force feed him - I tried - but he hates it and makes him sicker -what am I supposed to do? Force things what I want and ignore what he wants?? (I know that I am going to try to force feed him anyway because I still do what I WANT for him though that's not what he wants..) did you see his kidney numbers Kelly? It's very hard to reverse when ARF is that profound - I consider myself to be one of the last people not to try whatever it is out there.. but I also want to respect what Rikki wants... please don't think that I am not giving him a chance - it makes me feel very sad - but sometimes, we cannot do everything we want to satisfy our needs - but need to respect what our babies want --- But I am not just going to not do anything .. I am going to give him fluid at home.. and continue to give epogen for his anemia and interferon. And love him as much as I can and pet him as much as he wants..I want to give him a quality that he prefers.. ..when an animal is ready to cross soon,, you know.. I have seen so many of mine passed.. and I know that Rikki's time might be approaching.. but I am still praying for a miracle and if it's not him time yet, I have a faith that he will get better --- _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly L Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? At 03:47 PM 11/17/2006, you wrote: Pleasae,,, If it is ARF...it takes a while to resolve and he needs the IV fluids while he recovers,My cat was at the vet for a week on fluids and meds and was 15 at the time. He is almost 20 now, Give him a chance,, Kelly I think that Rikki's kidney has started to shut down,,I am not going to take him to a vet any more - He wanted to come home and I promised to him that I wouldn't do anything to stress him out - I want him to be peaceful at home.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Kelly L Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? At 03:27 PM 11/17/2006, you wrote: so glad the vet did a necropsy on Olive for you, Maybe I watch to much TV and my work on the hospital, sometimes getting a good diagnosis is the hardest part, Be a detective to help your vet, What do all these cats have in common food, bowels, sleeping arrangements, What kind of homeopathic remedys or even supplements,, How is Rikki doing?? It is not which symptoms do not sound like FIP but rather what other illnesses have the same symptoms. A differential diagnosis may really need a specialist who can order other tests your general vet may not even think of, It must be so frustrating for you, and hard, We will all keep thinking hard. Is there a vet school close by Kelly l I think none of the kitties whom she lost recently to FIP at this past incident was felk positive - (she had sent me the details of every kitty whom she lost as I was very curious to find out what happened) -Karen who also lost 6 of her kitties to FIP recently and none of them were felk positive either.. I ended up doing necropaise on Olive as my vet suggested and it was FIP - and I am assuming that the rest of my babies were also FIP - I am not sure which portion of the symptoms don't sound like FIP except Rikki- I really wish it was something else.. I have not lost any kitties older than two years old - three were less than 1 year, and Peter was 1.5 years old..- I don't know for sure if Rikki has FIP and it caused ARF or not - but there was nothing that he could get into - please trust me - I would think of all the reasons to cause what' s causing - Rikki's blood work is very similar to Peter though Rikki's liver is functions are fine- I did all the blood parasite tests on Rikki - and it was all negative - what else could it be? I don't keep any chemicals at all in my house for cleaning supplies - as I get so worried about it .. if not, FIP - what could it be? If you have any other ideas of the
RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
At 04:10 PM 11/17/2006, you wrote: All my good thoughts are with you, It is so hard,...were they giving him a slow IV drip??I am just asking technical questions as I have been though that,, I did not bring my cat home,,he stayed on a pump for 5 days,,he got electrolytes and al the good stuff, it is so hard when you have so many babies that need you, I just keep thinking ..All my god thoughts are going your way for you and Rikki..I better go back to the vet about Tiger to see how he is,the dumb turd I will talk to you later Kelly Kelly he has been on fluid since yesterday and I brought him back today to get more then, he was very depressed there, and the vet thought that he was going to cross soon and they called me and I went to pick him up right away.. when my hannibal had CRf, I took him to get IV, and he got so much better in a couple of days ---and when he crashed for the second time, my vet thought that it was his time to go, but I did not want to give up, so I asked her to give more fluid and he died at the hospital.. I so wished that he could pass at home where he was surrounded by his family ---but I needed to try his numbers were not as bad as Rikkis when he passed.. Rikki was very depressed there.. he wanted to come home as I promised to him that I would bring him home... he is very skinny as he has not been eating for the past couple of days and I really cant force feed him I tried but he hates it and makes him sicker what am I supposed to do? Force things what I want and ignore what he wants?? (I know that I am going to try to force feed him anyway because I still do what I WANT for him though thats not what he wants..) did you see his kidney numbers Kelly? Its very hard to reverse when ARF is that profound I consider myself to be one of the last people not to try whatever it is out there.. but I also want to respect what Rikki wants please dont think that I am not giving him a chance it makes me feel very sad but sometimes, we cannot do everything we want to satisfy our needs but need to respect what our babies want --- But I am not just going to not do anything .. I am going to give him fluid at home.. and continue to give epogen for his anemia and interferon. And love him as much as I can and pet him as much as he wants..I want to give him a quality that he prefers.. ..when an animal is ready to cross soon,, you know.. I have seen so many of mine passed.. and I know that Rikkis time might be approaching.. but I am still praying for a miracle and if its not him time yet, I have a faith that he will get better --- -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly L Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? At 03:47 PM 11/17/2006, you wrote: Pleasae,,, If it is ARF...it takes a while to resolve and he needs the IV fluids while he recovers,My cat was at the vet for a week on fluids and meds and was 15 at the time. He is almost 20 now, Give him a chance,, Kelly I think that Rikkis kidney has started to shut down,,I am not going to take him to a vet any more He wanted to come home and I promised to him that I wouldnt do anything to stress him out I want him to be peaceful at home.. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly L Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? At 03:27 PM 11/17/2006, you wrote: so glad the vet did a necropsy on Olive for you, Maybe I watch to much TV and my work on the hospital, sometimes getting a good diagnosis is the hardest part, Be a detective to help your vet, What do all these cats have in common food, bowels, sleeping arrangements, What kind of homeopathic remedys or even supplements,, How is Rikki doing?? It is not which symptoms do not sound like FIP but rather what other illnesses have the same symptoms. A differential diagnosis may really need a specialist who can order other tests your general vet may not even think of, It must be so frustrating for you, and hard, We will all keep thinking hard. Is there a vet school close by Kelly l I think none of the kitties whom she lost recently to FIP at this past incident was felk positive (she had sent me the details of every kitty whom she lost as I was very curious to find out what happened) -Karen who also lost 6 of her kitties to FIP recently and none of them were felk positive either.. I ended up doing necropaise on Olive as my vet suggested and it was FIP and I am assuming that the rest of my babies were also FIP I am not sure which portion of the symptoms dont sound like FIP except Rikki I really wish it was something else.. I have not lost any kitties older than two years old three were less than 1
RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
It was pretty slow,, I think it was 9 ml/min or so..no one will stay at the vet over night.. so there was no way that I was going to leave him there.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly L Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 5:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? At 04:10 PM 11/17/2006, you wrote: All my good thoughts are with you, It is so hard,...were they giving him a slow IV drip??I am just asking technical questions as I have been though that,, I did not bring my cat home,,he stayed on a pump for 5 days,,he got electrolytes and al the good stuff, it is so hard when you have so many babies that need you, I just keep thinking ..All my god thoughts are going your way for you and Rikki..I better go back to the vet about Tiger to see how he is,the dumb turd I will talk to you later Kelly Kelly - he has been on fluid since yesterday - and I brought him back today to get more - then, he was very depressed there, and the vet thought that he was going to cross soon and they called me and I went to pick him up right away.. when my hannibal had CRf, I took him to get IV, and he got so much better in a couple of days ---and when he crashed for the second time, my vet thought that it was his time to go, but I did not want to give up, so I asked her to give more fluid -and he died at the hospital.. I so wished that he could pass at home where he was surrounded by his family ---but I needed to try -his numbers were not as bad as Rikki's when he passed.. Rikki was very depressed there.. he wanted to come home as I promised to him that I would bring him home... he is very skinny as he has not been eating for the past couple of days - and I really can't force feed him - I tried - but he hates it and makes him sicker -what am I supposed to do? Force things what I want and ignore what he wants?? (I know that I am going to try to force feed him anyway because I still do what I WANT for him though that's not what he wants..) did you see his kidney numbers Kelly? It's very hard to reverse when ARF is that profound - I consider myself to be one of the last people not to try whatever it is out there.. but I also want to respect what Rikki wants... please don't think that I am not giving him a chance - it makes me feel very sad - but sometimes, we cannot do everything we want to satisfy our needs - but need to respect what our babies want --- But I am not just going to not do anything .. I am going to give him fluid at home.. and continue to give epogen for his anemia and interferon. And love him as much as I can and pet him as much as he wants..I want to give him a quality that he prefers.. ..when an animal is ready to cross soon,, you know.. I have seen so many of mine passed.. and I know that Rikki's time might be approaching.. but I am still praying for a miracle and if it's not him time yet, I have a faith that he will get better --- _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Kelly L Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? At 03:47 PM 11/17/2006, you wrote: Pleasae,,, If it is ARF...it takes a while to resolve and he needs the IV fluids while he recovers,My cat was at the vet for a week on fluids and meds and was 15 at the time. He is almost 20 now, Give him a chance,, Kelly I think that Rikki's kidney has started to shut down,,I am not going to take him to a vet any more - He wanted to come home and I promised to him that I wouldn't do anything to stress him out - I want him to be peaceful at home.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly L Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? At 03:27 PM 11/17/2006, you wrote: so glad the vet did a necropsy on Olive for you, Maybe I watch to much TV and my work on the hospital, sometimes getting a good diagnosis is the hardest part, Be a detective to help your vet, What do all these cats have in common food, bowels, sleeping arrangements, What kind of homeopathic remedys or even supplements,, How is Rikki doing?? It is not which symptoms do not sound like FIP but rather what other illnesses have the same symptoms. A differential diagnosis may really need a specialist who can order other tests your general vet may not even think of, It must be so frustrating for you, and hard, We will all keep thinking hard. Is there a vet school close by Kelly l I think none of the kitties whom she lost recently to FIP at this past incident was felk positive - (she had sent me the details of every kitty whom she lost as I was very curious to find out what happened) -Karen who also lost 6 of her kitties to FIP recently and none of them were felk positive either.. I ended up
Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
Amen. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Hoffman To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? Sally works with FeLV+ cats and kittens. FIP is much more common in cats who are FeLV+. At one time it was thought that FIP and FeLV were part of the same disorder. The cattery situations often involve inbreeding. I am on the FIP list. I have lost rescues last year and this year to FIP but they have always been kittens under 10 months in age. Hideyo, PLEASE look at causes other than FIP. Please do not lock on FIP as the only explanation. From what you have described I think you need to look at toxins in the environment, whether cleaning supplies, herbal or other alternative medicines, something else. Your situation does not sound like FIP to me. It sounds like at least some of these cats may be ingesting a toxic substance. You really need to do necropsies to get to the bottom of this. Please, if you keep focussing on FIP, you may miss a preventable/treatable cause. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not that common - but there are a couple people on FIP list who has had a similar experience as I do - some lost 20 in catteries or a couple of hundreds even in some sheleter - they were all young kittens - I was just talking to a couple of people who have lost 6 of their cats one after the other to wet and dry FIP - and also Sally forester lost a several kittens to wet FIP within a few months period - once you lose a couple of them, you become very sensitive to certain symptoms.. now I have one boy Toni who I rescued a couple of months ago started showing URIs symptoms and reocuurance low grade fever - I am not freaking out yet.. but low grade fever that keeps come back is usuall suspicious.. on the other hand, my FIV boy toby had 107 temp yesterday all of sudden and sneeze,, and knew he did not have FIP, just calici virus or something.. and temp went down with some homeopathic remedy.. dry FIP is very subtle .. you think they just don't feel too good but they usually eat okay - that's why it's to easy to miss.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 8:30 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? Hideyo, I am still not convinced they have FIP, still. It is very unlikely for so many to get it at once. Can you consult with an internist? Michelle In a message dated 11/17/2006 10:13:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What a nice things to say, Marlyn - you are making me cry more.. It's very difficult with this diseases - as they did not come diseased before they came to my house - FIP is a disease that produced by multihouse cat household - so I am the main part of the reasons why they have had this disease and I just can't change that..
Bandy and Inky update
Well, it has been one of those weeks...First, Bandy...I got up Wed. and Bandy had rubbed all the hair off the right side of his face..He has ringworm again and I got the fulvicin started again last Fri.. It takes several days for it to start working so here we go again...I took him to the vet and he has an ear infection which has caused him to rub his face..so now he is off the otomax as it seems to make him shake his head worse and rub his face..So he is on clavamox so we hopefully won't get a skin infection...He didn't have a temp either so that is a good thing...Anyway, I hope we are on the mend again...After Thanksgiving I am going to board him for the day and get some help to really clean his room with lots of bleach...to try to get rid of this stuff...I don't have any place to keep him so that is all I can...wish him luck Inky is now on low dose metronidazole..daily.. .3cc liquid or 1/8 pill whichever he will take for the day..it does help him. This week he is feeling bad one day and ok the next so I dont' know what to think..I guess it is the IBD that gives him the most trouble...When all else fails, he will eat mash potatoes..guess it feels good on his stomach...the K/D seems to make him sick anymore and he really likes it..But we can't have him throwing up all the time either...He is drinking ok broth and water.. Please keep the prayers coming for my 2 boys..We are doing the same for you.. Head butts to all... Thanks again, Kerry, Bandy and Inky - Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.
Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
OK--long shot: Do you have philodendron or pathos in the house? None of us are picking on you.just struggling to find answers. I just found out a few weeks ago that the above could be fatal to cats. I've had them and cats who ignored them since 1983. Dixie Louise is paying much too much attention to them. Again, just an idea. Some of the perfumes are also a problem for cats---air fresheners etc. This is all in love. I have no idea how you are standing so much. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? I usually don't give any herbal stuff - as it can be tricky especially Chinese one - especially if they are healthy.. I am not giving anything - some one from a different list wrote to me saying that she lost 4 kitties to FIP within the same month, and in 4 month the numbers got 2 digits --- and someone else on FIP list wrote to me saying that, they lost all of their 20 kitties who were less than one year old to FIP over the course of several months.. FIP incident is usally sporadic.. when I lost one kitty to FIP 5 years ago, none of the kitties got it.. but I also know from reading different people's experience that epidemic happens especially among breeders or shelters when there are so many cats at the same place.. and that's what my house is - and I am really feeling bad about my situation producing this damn disease.. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:40 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? What about herbal or alternative medicines? Some things that are OK for people are toxic to cats. Perhaps walk through your house and look around, think about what else it could be. To have so many in such a short period of time, and with symptoms coming on so suddenly in some caseslook at other possibilities, especially where the cats are over a year in age. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think none of the kitties whom she lost recently to FIP at this past incident was felk positive - (she had sent me the details of every kitty whom she lost as I was very curious to find out what happened) -Karen who also lost 6 of her kitties to FIP recently and none of them were felk positive either.. I ended up doing necropaise on Olive as my vet suggested and it was FIP - and I am assuming that the rest of my babies were also FIP - I am not sure which portion of the symptoms don't sound like FIP except Rikki- I really wish it was something else.. I have not lost any kitties older than two years old - three were less than 1 year, and Peter was 1.5 years old..- I don't know for sure if Rikki has FIP and it caused ARF or not - but there was nothing that he could get into - please trust me - I would think of all the reasons to cause what' s causing - Rikki's blood work is very similar to Peter though Rikki's liver is functions are fine- I did all the blood parasite tests on Rikki - and it was all negative - what else could it be? I don't keep any chemicals at all in my house for cleaning supplies - as I get so worried about it .. if not, FIP - what could it be? If you have any other ideas of the cause, I would love to look into it..please let me know.. I have two separate houses where I keep my cats next to each other.. none of the kitties from the other house (they are all older than 3 years old and I have not brought any new kitties to the house for the past three years or so) - When I read about the symptoms (both lab and clinical) of FIP -they are very much what my kitties have gotten - it just attacks differents part of the body, whether it's liver, kidney or CNS. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? Sally works with FeLV+ cats and kittens. FIP is much more common in cats who are FeLV+. At one time it was thought that FIP and FeLV were part of the same disorder. The cattery situations often involve inbreeding. I am on the FIP list. I have lost
RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
What are they? Sorry, language problem here --:-) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 6:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? OK--long shot: Do you have philodendron or pathos in the house? None of us are picking on you.just struggling to find answers. I just found out a few weeks ago that the above could be fatal to cats. I've had them and cats who ignored them since 1983. Dixie Louise is paying much too much attention to them. Again, just an idea. Some of the perfumes are also a problem for cats---air fresheners etc. This is all in love. I have no idea how you are standing so much. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? I usually don't give any herbal stuff - as it can be tricky especially Chinese one - especially if they are healthy.. I am not giving anything - some one from a different list wrote to me saying that she lost 4 kitties to FIP within the same month, and in 4 month the numbers got 2 digits --- and someone else on FIP list wrote to me saying that, they lost all of their 20 kitties who were less than one year old to FIP over the course of several months.. FIP incident is usally sporadic.. when I lost one kitty to FIP 5 years ago, none of the kitties got it.. but I also know from reading different people's experience that epidemic happens especially among breeders or shelters when there are so many cats at the same place.. and that's what my house is - and I am really feeling bad about my situation producing this damn disease.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:40 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? What about herbal or alternative medicines? Some things that are OK for people are toxic to cats. Perhaps walk through your house and look around, think about what else it could be. To have so many in such a short period of time, and with symptoms coming on so suddenly in some caseslook at other possibilities, especially where the cats are over a year in age. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think none of the kitties whom she lost recently to FIP at this past incident was felk positive - (she had sent me the details of every kitty whom she lost as I was very curious to find out what happened) -Karen who also lost 6 of her kitties to FIP recently and none of them were felk positive either.. I ended up doing necropaise on Olive as my vet suggested and it was FIP - and I am assuming that the rest of my babies were also FIP - I am not sure which portion of the symptoms don't sound like FIP except Rikki- I really wish it was something else.. I have not lost any kitties older than two years old - three were less than 1 year, and Peter was 1.5 years old..- I don't know for sure if Rikki has FIP and it caused ARF or not - but there was nothing that he could get into - please trust me - I would think of all the reasons to cause what' s causing - Rikki's blood work is very similar to Peter though Rikki's liver is functions are fine- I did all the blood parasite tests on Rikki - and it was all negative - what else could it be? I don't keep any chemicals at all in my house for cleaning supplies - as I get so worried about it .. if not, FIP - what could it be? If you have any other ideas of the cause, I would love to look into it..please let me know.. I have two separate houses where I keep my cats next to each other.. none of the kitties from the other house (they are all older than 3 years old and I have not brought any new kitties to the house for the past three years or so) - When I read about the symptoms (both lab and clinical) of FIP -they are very much what my kitties have gotten - it just attacks differents part of the body, whether it's liver, kidney or CNS... _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: another
Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
This is what I did with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt. She did not want to travel in a car--ever againno way. Nor did she ever want to visit a vet again. It is extremely hard to let them do this their way but you can do it. Draw your strength fro Rikki. I can not tell you how I got thru it with Kitty but I can tell you I am very sure it is the way it should be for her. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 5:47 PM Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? I think that Rikki's kidney has started to shut down,,I am not going to take him to a vet any more - He wanted to come home and I promised to him that I wouldn't do anything to stress him out - I want him to be peaceful at home.. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly L Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? At 03:27 PM 11/17/2006, you wrote: so glad the vet did a necropsy on Olive for you, Maybe I watch to much TV and my work on the hospital, sometimes getting a good diagnosis is the hardest part, Be a detective to help your vet, What do all these cats have in common food, bowels, sleeping arrangements, What kind of homeopathic remedys or even supplements,, How is Rikki doing?? It is not which symptoms do not sound like FIP but rather what other illnesses have the same symptoms. A differential diagnosis may really need a specialist who can order other tests your general vet may not even think of, It must be so frustrating for you, and hard, We will all keep thinking hard. Is there a vet school close by Kelly l I think none of the kitties whom she lost recently to FIP at this past incident was felk positive - (she had sent me the details of every kitty whom she lost as I was very curious to find out what happened) -Karen who also lost 6 of her kitties to FIP recently and none of them were felk positive either.. I ended up doing necropaise on Olive as my vet suggested and it was FIP - and I am assuming that the rest of my babies were also FIP - I am not sure which portion of the symptoms don't sound like FIP except Rikki- I really wish it was something else.. I have not lost any kitties older than two years old - three were less than 1 year, and Peter was 1.5 years old..- I don't know for sure if Rikki has FIP and it caused ARF or not - but there was nothing that he could get into - please trust me - I would think of all the reasons to cause what' s causing - Rikki's blood work is very similar to Peter though Rikki's liver is functions are fine- I did all the blood parasite tests on Rikki - and it was all negative - what else could it be? I don't keep any chemicals at all in my house for cleaning supplies - as I get so worried about it .. if not, FIP - what could it be? If you have any other ideas of the cause, I would love to look into it..please let me know.. I have two separate houses where I keep my cats next to each other.. none of the kitties from the other house (they are all older than 3 years old and I have not brought any new kitties to the house for the past three years or so) - When I read about the symptoms (both lab and clinical) of FIP -they are very much what my kitties have gotten - it just attacks differents part of the body, whether it's liver, kidney or CNS. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? Sally works with FeLV+ cats and kittens. FIP is much more common in cats who are FeLV+. At one time it was thought that FIP and FeLV were part of the same disorder. The cattery situations often involve inbreeding. I am on the FIP list. I have lost rescues last year and this year to FIP but they have always been kittens under 10 months in age. Hideyo, PLEASE look at causes other than FIP. Please do not lock on FIP as the only explanation. From what you have described I think you need to look at toxins in the environment, whether cleaning supplies, herbal or other alternative medicines, something else. Your situation does not sound like FIP
Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
If Olive's necropsy showed FIP, then maybe they really all do have FIP. It has not made sense to me, given that FIP experts say it is a mutation, not a virus in itself. But maybe particular corona viruses are more likely to mutate or something, and maybe that is the one going around that house. I am really sorry you are going through this. The only thing I know of that helps with FIP symptoms (but is not a cure) is steroids; the combined dexamethasone and depomedrol shots can help with FIP like they do with lymphoma. My Buddy may have had FIP-- lymphoma was never definitely diagnosed because he had no masses anywhere and his blood work was all fine in the beginning, just weight loss, lethargy, and dull matted coat, and then he got uveitis in his eye and kidney failure and anemia, and died of anemia. He lived with it for about 4 months on steroids. It was either lymphoma, or leukemia, or dry FIP. My vet thought it was dry FIP. He got sick shortly after Patches entered the household, and she had been exposed to a cat with FIP right before coming. I called and spoke to an FIP expert at Cornell who told me not to worry about exposure that way because FIP itself is not contagious, so I didn't. Maybe the form of corona virus that caused it was contagious, and maybe he got it. He was 18 months old. None of the others got it, and I think some were under 2. But who knows. No one claims to completely understand FIP. Hideyo, all I can say is that I feel terrible you are going through this. The suddenness of Rikki's symptoms make me think, though, that even if all the others have had FIP, maybe something else is going on with him. But maybe not., Michelle In a message dated 11/17/2006 8:08:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think none of the kitties whom she lost recently to FIP at this past incident was felk positive – (she had sent me the details of every kitty whom she lost as I was very curious to find out what happened) -Karen who also lost 6 of her kitties to FIP recently and none of them were felk positive either.. I ended up doing necropaise on Olive as my vet suggested and it was FIP – and I am assuming that the rest of my babies were also FIP – I am not sure which portion of the symptoms don’t sound like FIP except Rikki– I really wish it was something else.. I have not lost any kitties older than two years old – three were less than 1 year, and Peter was 1.5 years old..– I don’t know for sure if Rikki has FIP and it caused ARF or not – but there was nothing that he could get into – please trust me – I would think of all the reasons to cause what’ s causing – Rikki’s blood work is very similar to Peter though Rikki’s liver is functions are fine– I did all the blood parasite tests on Rikki – and it was all negative – what else could it be? I don’t keep any chemicals at all in my house for cleaning supplies – as I get so worried about it .. if not, FIP – what could it be? If you have any other ideas of the cause, I would love to look into it..please let me know.. I have two separate houses where I keep my cats next to each other.. none of the kitties from the other house (they are all older than 3 years old and I have not brought any new kitties to the house for the past three years or so) – When I read about the symptoms (both lab and clinical) of FIP –they are very much what my kitties have gotten – it just attacks differents part of the body, whether it’s liver, kidney or CNS…
Re: Bandy and Inky update
Kerry, did you ever try the Immuno-Regulin for Bandy? It should help him kick the infection and someone on the list a long time ago said it helped her cat kick chronic ringworm. I am quite enamored with the stuff after seeing how fast it worked for Lucy with her URI, knock on wood. She got a low dose-- the dose recommended for her weight but lower than most people seem to give-- .25 ml. She got it IV twice. Michelle In a message dated 11/17/2006 8:05:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, it has been one of those weeks...First, Bandy...I got up Wed. and Bandy had rubbed all the hair off the right side of his face..He has ringworm again and I got the fulvicin started again last Fri.. It takes several days for it to start working so here we go again...I took him to the vet and he has an ear infection which has caused him to rub his face..so now he is off the otomax as it seems to make him shake his head worse and rub his face..So he is on clavamox so we hopefully won't get a skin infection...He didn't have a temp either so that is a good thing...Anyway, I hope we are on the mend again...After Thanksgiving I am going to board him for the day and get some help to really clean his room with lots of bleach...to try to get rid of this stuff...I don't have any place to keep him so that is all I can...wish him luck Inky is now on low dose metronidazole..daily.. .3cc liquid or 1/8 pill whichever he will take for the day..it does help him. This week he is feeling bad one day and ok the next so I dont' know what to think..I guess it is the IBD that gives him the most trouble...When all else fails, he will eat mash potatoes..guess it feels good on his stomach...the K/D seems to make him sick anymore and he really likes it..But we can't have him throwing up all the time either...He is drinking ok broth and water.. Please keep the prayers coming for my 2 boys..We are doing the same for you.. Head butts to all... Thanks again, Kerry, Bandy and Inky
Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
My sheep Lamby got ARF from copper poisoning last year and her creatinine went up to 12.5. They did not think she would make it. They did IV fluids for 5 days and chelation therapy for the copper and, thank god, she pulled through and her kidney values came down to 2.7, where they had plateaued last time we checked. It is possible to reverse acute ARF with numbers that high, but the root cause has to be figured out and treated if possible. If it is FIP, then nothing is likely to help except maybe steroids. Have you tried the feline interferon with him? Michelle In a message dated 11/17/2006 7:14:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: did you see his kidney numbers Kelly? It’s very hard to reverse when ARF is that profound – I consider myself to be one of the last people not to try whatever it is out there.. but I also want to respect what Rikki wants… please don’t think that I am not giving him a chance – it makes me feel very sad – but sometimes, we cannot do everything we want to satisfy our needs – but need to respect what our babies want --- But I am not just going to not do anything .. I am going to give him fluid at home.. and continue to give epogen for his anemia and interferon. And love him as much as I can and pet him as much as he wants..I want to give him a quality that he prefers.. ..when an animal is ready to cross soon,, you know.. I have seen so many of mine passed.. and I know that Rikki’s time might be approaching.. but I am still praying for a miracle and if it’s not him time yet, I have a faith that he will get better ---
Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
They are wonderful vining plants that clean the air. Again, this is the first time I have ever had any concern about them. After Dixie Louise showed interest in them I started asking questions and go back answers that showed they were toxic...probably nothing to do with your situation but I have to bring it to your attention just in case... If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:04 PM Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? What are they? Sorry, language problem here --J -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 6:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? OK--long shot: Do you have philodendron or pathos in the house? None of us are picking on you.just struggling to find answers. I just found out a few weeks ago that the above could be fatal to cats. I've had them and cats who ignored them since 1983. Dixie Louise is paying much too much attention to them. Again, just an idea. Some of the perfumes are also a problem for cats---air fresheners etc. This is all in love. I have no idea how you are standing so much. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? I usually don't give any herbal stuff - as it can be tricky especially Chinese one - especially if they are healthy.. I am not giving anything - some one from a different list wrote to me saying that she lost 4 kitties to FIP within the same month, and in 4 month the numbers got 2 digits --- and someone else on FIP list wrote to me saying that, they lost all of their 20 kitties who were less than one year old to FIP over the course of several months.. FIP incident is usally sporadic.. when I lost one kitty to FIP 5 years ago, none of the kitties got it.. but I also know from reading different people's experience that epidemic happens especially among breeders or shelters when there are so many cats at the same place.. and that's what my house is - and I am really feeling bad about my situation producing this damn disease.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:40 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? What about herbal or alternative medicines? Some things that are OK for people are toxic to cats. Perhaps walk through your house and look around, think about what else it could be. To have so many in such a short period of time, and with symptoms coming on so suddenly in some caseslook at other possibilities, especially where the cats are over a year in age. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think none of the kitties whom she lost recently to FIP at this past incident was felk positive - (she had sent me the details of every kitty whom she lost as I was very curious to find out what happened) -Karen who also lost 6 of her kitties to FIP recently and none of them were felk positive either.. I ended up doing necropaise on Olive as my vet suggested and it was FIP - and I am assuming that the rest of my babies were also FIP - I am not sure which portion of the symptoms don't sound like FIP except Rikki- I really wish it was something else.. I have not lost any kitties older than two years old - three were less than 1 year, and Peter was 1.5 years old..- I don't know for sure if Rikki has FIP and it caused ARF or not - but there was nothing that he could get into - please trust me - I would think of all the reasons to cause what' s causing - Rikki's blood work is very similar to
RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
I know...up to a couple of months ago, I was very convinced that FIP is not contagious - and some strain of the virrus may not be. .but now I know that it's not true.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 6:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? If Olive's necropsy showed FIP, then maybe they really all do have FIP. It has not made sense to me, given that FIP experts say it is a mutation, not a virus in itself. But maybe particular corona viruses are more likely to mutate or something, and maybe that is the one going around that house. I am really sorry you are going through this. The only thing I know of that helps with FIP symptoms (but is not a cure) is steroids; the combined dexamethasone and depomedrol shots can help with FIP like they do with lymphoma. My Buddy may have had FIP-- lymphoma was never definitely diagnosed because he had no masses anywhere and his blood work was all fine in the beginning, just weight loss, lethargy, and dull matted coat, and then he got uveitis in his eye and kidney failure and anemia, and died of anemia. He lived with it for about 4 months on steroids. It was either lymphoma, or leukemia, or dry FIP. My vet thought it was dry FIP. He got sick shortly after Patches entered the household, and she had been exposed to a cat with FIP right before coming. I called and spoke to an FIP expert at Cornell who told me not to worry about exposure that way because FIP itself is not contagious, so I didn't. Maybe the form of corona virus that caused it was contagious, and maybe he got it. He was 18 months old. None of the others got it, and I think some were under 2. But who knows. No one claims to completely understand FIP. Hideyo, all I can say is that I feel terrible you are going through this. The suddenness of Rikki's symptoms make me think, though, that even if all the others have had FIP, maybe something else is going on with him. But maybe not., Michelle In a message dated 11/17/2006 8:08:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think none of the kitties whom she lost recently to FIP at this past incident was felk positive - (she had sent me the details of every kitty whom she lost as I was very curious to find out what happened) -Karen who also lost 6 of her kitties to FIP recently and none of them were felk positive either.. I ended up doing necropaise on Olive as my vet suggested and it was FIP - and I am assuming that the rest of my babies were also FIP - I am not sure which portion of the symptoms don't sound like FIP except Rikki- I really wish it was something else.. I have not lost any kitties older than two years old - three were less than 1 year, and Peter was 1.5 years old..- I don't know for sure if Rikki has FIP and it caused ARF or not - but there was nothing that he could get into - please trust me - I would think of all the reasons to cause what' s causing - Rikki's blood work is very similar to Peter though Rikki's liver is functions are fine- I did all the blood parasite tests on Rikki - and it was all negative - what else could it be? I don't keep any chemicals at all in my house for cleaning supplies - as I get so worried about it .. if not, FIP - what could it be? If you have any other ideas of the cause, I would love to look into it..please let me know.. I have two separate houses where I keep my cats next to each other.. none of the kitties from the other house (they are all older than 3 years old and I have not brought any new kitties to the house for the past three years or so) - When I read about the symptoms (both lab and clinical) of FIP -they are very much what my kitties have gotten - it just attacks differents part of the body, whether it's liver, kidney or CNS...
RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
Yep.. I had started a couple of weeks ago.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? My sheep Lamby got ARF from copper poisoning last year and her creatinine went up to 12.5. They did not think she would make it. They did IV fluids for 5 days and chelation therapy for the copper and, thank god, she pulled through and her kidney values came down to 2.7, where they had plateaued last time we checked. It is possible to reverse acute ARF with numbers that high, but the root cause has to be figured out and treated if possible. If it is FIP, then nothing is likely to help except maybe steroids. Have you tried the feline interferon with him? Michelle In a message dated 11/17/2006 7:14:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: did you see his kidney numbers Kelly? It's very hard to reverse when ARF is that profound - I consider myself to be one of the last people not to try whatever it is out there.. but I also want to respect what Rikki wants... please don't think that I am not giving him a chance - it makes me feel very sad - but sometimes, we cannot do everything we want to satisfy our needs - but need to respect what our babies want --- But I am not just going to not do anything .. I am going to give him fluid at home.. and continue to give epogen for his anemia and interferon. And love him as much as I can and pet him as much as he wants..I want to give him a quality that he prefers.. ..when an animal is ready to cross soon,, you know.. I have seen so many of mine passed.. and I know that Rikki's time might be approaching.. but I am still praying for a miracle and if it's not him time yet, I have a faith that he will get better ---
RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
I really don't think FIP is contagious, nor do the people who have studied this
disease closely for decades -- Dr. Addie, Nils Pedersen. Corona virus is
contagious but before corona virus can trigger FIP a cat has to be genetically
predisposed to develop FIP. Most cats are not. I really think you have
something else going on here.
Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:v\:*
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I know
up to a couple of months ago, I was very convinced that FIP is not
contagious and some strain of the virrus may not be. .but now I know that
its not true..
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Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
If Olive's necropsy showed FIP, then maybe they really all do have FIP.
It has not made sense to me, given that FIP experts say it is a mutation, not a
virus in itself. But maybe particular corona viruses are more likely to mutate
or something, and maybe that is the one going around that house. I am really
sorry you are going through this.
The only thing I know of that helps with FIP symptoms (but is not a cure)
is steroids; the combined dexamethasone and depomedrol shots can help with FIP
like they do with lymphoma. My Buddy may have had FIP-- lymphoma was never
definitely diagnosed because he had no masses anywhere and his blood work was
all fine in the beginning, just weight loss, lethargy, and dull matted coat,
and then he got uveitis in his eye and kidney failure and anemia, and died of
anemia. He lived with it for about 4 months on steroids. It was either
lymphoma, or leukemia, or dry FIP. My vet thought it was dry FIP. He got sick
shortly after Patches entered the household, and she had been exposed to a cat
with FIP right before coming. I called and spoke to an FIP expert at Cornell
who told me not to worry about exposure that way because FIP itself is not
contagious, so I didn't. Maybe the form of corona virus that caused it was
contagious, and maybe he got it. He was 18 months old. None
of the others got it, and I think some were under 2. But who knows. No one
claims to completely understand FIP.
Hideyo, all I can say is that I feel terrible you are going through this.
The suddenness of Rikki's symptoms make me think, though, that even if all the
others have had FIP, maybe something else is going on with him. But maybe not.,
Michelle
In a message dated 11/17/2006 8:08:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL
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I think none of the kitties whom she lost recently to FIP at this past
incident was felk positive (she had sent me the details of every kitty whom
she lost as I was very curious to find out what happened) -Karen who also
lost 6 of her kitties to FIP recently and none of them were felk positive
either..
I ended up doing necropaise on Olive as my vet suggested and it was FIP
and I am assuming that the rest of my babies were also FIP I am not sure
which portion of the symptoms dont sound like FIP except Rikki I really wish
it was something else.. I have not lost any kitties older than two years old
three were less than 1 year, and Peter was 1.5 years old.. I dont know for
sure if Rikki has FIP and it caused ARF or not but there was nothing that he
could get into please trust me I would think of all the reasons to cause
what s causing Rikkis blood work is very similar to Peter though Rikkis
liver is functions are fine I did all the blood parasite tests on Rikki and
it was all negative what else could it be? I dont keep any chemicals at all
in my house for cleaning supplies as I get so worried about it .. if not,
FIP what could it be? If you have any other ideas of the cause, I would love
to look into it..please let me know..
I have two separate houses where I keep my cats next to each other.. none
of the kitties from the other house (they are all older than 3 years old and I
have not brought any new kitties to the house for the past three years or so)
When I read about the symptoms (both lab and clinical) of FIP they are
very much what my kitties have gotten it just attacks differents part of the
body, whether its liver, kidney or CNS
Re: (OT) Please send good vibes to my friend's cat, Emily, she has breast cancer.
Your friend and her kitty are in my prayers. I am hoping it will be
non-malignant.
Gina
Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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}I just got this note from one of my friends that brought the feral
colony up to live with me:
I took 2 of my cats for check ups this evening...the vet found a breast
tumor in my 9 year old Maine Coon. She's having a mastectomy tomorrow...I just
came home and looked it up on the internet and I see that 85% of the time it's
malignantplease say a prayer for my baby girl...she's my first cat and
she's so smart that sometimes I swear she must be part humanI can't believe
this is happening...she doesn't like to be brushed or have her belly messed
with so I didn't know she had a growthonce the doctor showed me where it
was, I felt it immediatelyI feel so bad I didn't find it.
Her name is Renee, and her cat's name is Emily. Please send good vibes,
prayers, etc for Emily! I told her she should join this group, since so many
people here have gone through the cancer thing. I know breast cancer is a
different kind than usually comes with FELV, but it's still cancer...
Maybe we could add Emily to the CLS service for next week???
Phaewryn
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